Pieter Breughel the Younder a Flemish Painter?
The designation 'Flemish painter' requires nuance. That term was later given to a tradition of painting, but the painter would never have identified himself as Flemish at the time. It is therefore better to talk about a Brabantine painter (or a painter from the Duchy of Brabant) who is considered part of Flemish painting. Therefore the request to adjust this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramon1974 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The article is not about how he self-identified, but about how he is described nowadays by reliable sources. Looking for his name plus Brabantine gives things like "Brabantine landscape", "Brabantine country"[1], while there are plenty of sources describing him (and the others you changed) as Flemish, a Flemish painter, or an example of Flemish painting[2]. E.g. the entry for Jan Brueghel in the Oxford Dictionary of Arts starts with "Flemish painter"[3]. As Wikipedia is a summary of what other reliable sources say (and English Wikipedia follows the customs in English-language sources preferably), we describe them as "Flemish painter" and not "Brabantine painters" or the like. Fram (talk) 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is an old issue; the local definition of "Flemish" was narrower than the one in English for centuries. Whatever he himself thought, his English contemporaries would very likely have thought of him as Flemish (the few that had heard of him), and probably found "Brabantine" as puzzling a descriptor as modern ones do. Very annoying for Belgians, but there we are. Johnbod (talk) 11:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Draft Article
Hello, I've created a draft that I think is ready for the mainspace but I'm not sure, I know you have a high standard when it comes to wikipedia articles thanks to past experiences hence why I came here to ask you if you think Draft:Columbia (Oasis song) is ready for the mainspace yet or if it needs more work, thanks N1TH Music (talk) 22:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- I see it has already been moved to mainspace. Please don't include youtube links (or similar) unless you are very sure that the uploader actually has the right to do so (e.g. links to the bands' official channel, or the channels of the record company or the original broadcaster, can be presumed to be acceptable; normally, anything else is best to be avoided for recent music or recent performances. Recent meaning anything since WWII or so...). Fram (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alright noted, so I can only use such a source as footage of a concert if it was officially uploaded or endorsed by either the band themselves or the record label, is that it? But now there's no citation to back up the claim, I was thinking at first of using this however setlistfm isn't a very reliable source, the setlist matches that of the video but the same website states that the same song was played at another Gig the previous October, which I'm skeptical of as the songwriter literally had only joined the band 2 months previously so I doubt it was even written yet. So I'm split on whether or not to use it as I think citing something is better than nothing and the claim is backed up by the video but the website while appearing to be correct is noticeably unreliable, I'm not sure, what do you think? N1TH Music (talk) 23:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- If you can't find a reliable, usable source for this, then it is best to simply omit the claim from the article altogether. Fram (talk) 08:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I’ll take note of that when working on Draft:Up In the Sky. Also I see you reverted one of my edits on a different article, I get that the edit summary was off but I think the removal of that Flatlist was a mistake as all the other ones are their, either they’re all there or they’re not why was just the one removed, I’ve got a reliable source to back up the claim if that’s your concern. N1TH Music (talk) 22:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, my concern is that your edit[4] was very, very sloppy. The first change, removing Faerschthaff, resulted in "the small settlements of , Bricherhaff, ", and the second part of your edit but a flatlist inside a header. That you don't even notice this after you have been reverted and think the issue was "I get that the edit summary was off" and not that the edit was just a total mess, doesn't really indicate that the issues which led to your block have significantly improved. Fram (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I can see now, I thought I’d removed Faerschthaff as it’s not listed officially as a Lieu-dit. I can tell now the edit is sloppy, I copied the wikitext incorrectly, I’ll be more careful in future. N1TH Music (talk) 09:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, my concern is that your edit[4] was very, very sloppy. The first change, removing Faerschthaff, resulted in "the small settlements of , Bricherhaff, ", and the second part of your edit but a flatlist inside a header. That you don't even notice this after you have been reverted and think the issue was "I get that the edit summary was off" and not that the edit was just a total mess, doesn't really indicate that the issues which led to your block have significantly improved. Fram (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I’ll take note of that when working on Draft:Up In the Sky. Also I see you reverted one of my edits on a different article, I get that the edit summary was off but I think the removal of that Flatlist was a mistake as all the other ones are their, either they’re all there or they’re not why was just the one removed, I’ve got a reliable source to back up the claim if that’s your concern. N1TH Music (talk) 22:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- If you can't find a reliable, usable source for this, then it is best to simply omit the claim from the article altogether. Fram (talk) 08:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Alright noted, so I can only use such a source as footage of a concert if it was officially uploaded or endorsed by either the band themselves or the record label, is that it? But now there's no citation to back up the claim, I was thinking at first of using this however setlistfm isn't a very reliable source, the setlist matches that of the video but the same website states that the same song was played at another Gig the previous October, which I'm skeptical of as the songwriter literally had only joined the band 2 months previously so I doubt it was even written yet. So I'm split on whether or not to use it as I think citing something is better than nothing and the claim is backed up by the video but the website while appearing to be correct is noticeably unreliable, I'm not sure, what do you think? N1TH Music (talk) 23:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Courtesy notice
Hey Fram. I wanted to let you know I reverted your CSD G4 on Stephen Jacob Jimbangan. It was previously declined by User:Liz couple of hours ago! Jeraxmoira (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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Draft article
You recently mad my article about kazerum a draft article and justyfing it by saying that i dident check the source properly (more specificly that the swedes dident loose 100 men). but here the source clearly states that 100 men förlorades in Kazerum, but nerevtheless, ive removed all scentences wich state that 100 men perished. Could you just make it so that it is no longer a draft article, cause i dont now how to do it myself. Dencoolast33 (talk) 15:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- You can find the instructions at WP:AFC. The page needs thorough checking, for e.g. spelling (you repeatedly mention "Joesf Puosette" who is "Josef Pousette" instead), but also, like I said, for sources which don't support the text. E.g. you use this, which doesn't seem to have anything on the 1913 battle? In fact, the only source for these battles and the role of Pousette seems to be a single genealogy website, [5], of unknown reliability. Josef Pousette hardly appears in other sources[6][7] and it is unclear where that genalogy site has gotten its information from. Is there any other sources about a 1913 Battle of Kazerum? Cause I can't find it... Fram (talk) 16:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, his name is actually Joesf. And in the Iranica article states that the Kashkuli clan did extract tolls on the road wich was the entire reason why the battle occured in the first place. While there is only one article wich goes in depth on the battles of kazerum, almost all other sources state that there was "bloody battles" in Kazerum. And i have sources listed that state that Joesf was the leader of the regiment in Shiraz [[Which was responsible for the saftey of the road that Joesf was guarding).
- So please turn it back into a normal article. Dencoolast33 (talk) 16:20, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- "First of all, his name is actually Joesf."??? Not even your own source seems to agree with this. Anyway, if 100 Swedes "perished" in 1913 in Persia in a battle, there have to be more sources for this than just a family history website surely? Fram (talk) 16:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- After further inspection, his name is diffrent depending on the source. Ive seen some reffer to him as Joseph too. where i got joesf from was under a picture in the släkthistoria article, might be misspellet, ill change it just in case. "100 swedes perished" this is a point of tension between us, thats why i previosly stated that i would not include it so that you'd have a better time making it a normal article.
- So, can you change it back? Dencoolast33 (talk) 17:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ive even chaged the name from Joesf to josef and some spelling mistakes to, there's no longer a reason for it to be a draft. Dencoolast33 (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, I won't move it back, and if someone else does and no better sources are provided, I'll probably start a deletion discussion about it. I don't know if you lack the necessary competence or don't understand English or what, but the article e.g. still has "In February 1913, Mohammed Ali and his forces made their first attack on the Swedish positions. The battle would last 14 hours and 100 gendarmes would perish, being one of, if not the bloodiest engagement in the Swedish intervention in Persia." sourced to this which supports nothing in these two sentences. It still claims "100 perished". It seems even the title is wrong, and that if the battle happened, it was at Kazerun, not Kazerum. But I see you also use this source[8], written by an actual historian. From that source, we learn that in total 4 Swedes died in Persia, none of them in 1913. No bloody battle at Kazerum or Kazerun is even mentioned. Fram (talk) 17:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- I probably mixed up the iranica articles with eachother (i had two), but i took it away now anyways."It still claims 100 perished", no? And the Swedes reffered to the place as Kazerum so it isent wrong, but i can change it if you want to. "But I see you also use this source" he does mention it, Oscar ohlsson died there, and i never said that 100Swedes died, just 100 in total (and that isent even included in the article anymore, so we can just drop it).
- And just becuase that source doesent mention the "bloody battles off kazerum", does that invalidate all of the other sources?
- For example:
- I just want my article up please Dencoolast33 (talk) 17:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- These 2 sources (apart from the slakthistoria family history one) judt mention in passing battles around Kalerun and other places, without any details at all. Fram (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- but it proves the existance of the battle. Dencoolast33 (talk) 20:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't mention any of the persons or dates, so not much of a verification. Fram (talk) 20:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- släkthistoria though Dencoolast33 (talk) 06:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I discussed that one already, it's a family history website, not by professional historians and not providing any sources for the claims. Basically, it's an unreliable source. Fram (talk) 08:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, its a history website with a gimmic. That being frowing familiy in the mix. Dencoolast33 (talk) 08:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I discussed that one already, it's a family history website, not by professional historians and not providing any sources for the claims. Basically, it's an unreliable source. Fram (talk) 08:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- släkthistoria though Dencoolast33 (talk) 06:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't mention any of the persons or dates, so not much of a verification. Fram (talk) 20:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- but it proves the existance of the battle. Dencoolast33 (talk) 20:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- These 2 sources (apart from the slakthistoria family history one) judt mention in passing battles around Kalerun and other places, without any details at all. Fram (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, I won't move it back, and if someone else does and no better sources are provided, I'll probably start a deletion discussion about it. I don't know if you lack the necessary competence or don't understand English or what, but the article e.g. still has "In February 1913, Mohammed Ali and his forces made their first attack on the Swedish positions. The battle would last 14 hours and 100 gendarmes would perish, being one of, if not the bloodiest engagement in the Swedish intervention in Persia." sourced to this which supports nothing in these two sentences. It still claims "100 perished". It seems even the title is wrong, and that if the battle happened, it was at Kazerun, not Kazerum. But I see you also use this source[8], written by an actual historian. From that source, we learn that in total 4 Swedes died in Persia, none of them in 1913. No bloody battle at Kazerum or Kazerun is even mentioned. Fram (talk) 17:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ive even chaged the name from Joesf to josef and some spelling mistakes to, there's no longer a reason for it to be a draft. Dencoolast33 (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- "First of all, his name is actually Joesf."??? Not even your own source seems to agree with this. Anyway, if 100 Swedes "perished" in 1913 in Persia in a battle, there have to be more sources for this than just a family history website surely? Fram (talk) 16:23, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Not sure what your "no" is about. I hope you aren't denying that it is a family history website? Or that the author of the piece here isn't a professional historian? Or that there are no sources provided in the article? Fram (talk) 08:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- look at all of their other articles, there are all about history with the gimmic of talking about someones relative. But i am to tired of arguing, you can take the article down if you want to. Dencoolast33 (talk) 08:49, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
They are removing all the crowns in heraldic crowns
if you are an administrator i ask of you to lock the page it has suffered enough two users have been vandalizing it constantly one goes and removes everything calling it unsourced and the other kept putting his fake heraldry in it Gaius Khufus Caesar (talk) 20:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Please don't revert me
Sir, with humble respect, I want to tell you to allow me editing that page. I don't mean to disrespect you. I don't remove your RFD tag. It shows that I will agree with anything decided by the judging administrator. Btw, you will be the final winner as the RFD has more opinions supporting you than me. I will accept whether it's deleted or kept. But being a creator of and main contributor to the page and as a Wikipedian, I have some user right to edit, before its deletion. The template itself says, "Feel free to improve the article, but do not remove this notice before the discussion is closed.". I hope you will not misunderstand me.
With respect! Regards! Haoreima (talk) 09:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please see WP:OWN, I and everyone else has just as much right to edit the page as you have. Turning it into a redirect means that people don't "land" on that page (and thus see the AfD), but are redirected immediately to the target. There is no reason to do this now, when waiting for the result of the AfD is much better. You are free to suggest the redirect as your preferred outcome at the AfD discussion of course. Fram (talk) 09:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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"Legal terms" listed at Redirects for discussion
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This was restored via WP:RFU. I've started an AFD. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Delete the Jazz–Nuggets rivalry article
Go ahead & delete the Jazz–Nuggets rivalry article. I'm never going to get time to edit it, and apparently, it doesn't meet the criteria for general notability for a sports rivalry article to keep. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Charlesaaronthompson: You were supposed to have put this as a vote on the AfD page. It means nothing on a talk page. — Smuckola(talk) 10:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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