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The lead of this article claims that significant construction activity in Jerusalem began in the 9th century BCE (Iron Age II), and by the 8th century BCE, the city had developed into the religious and administrative centre of the Kingdom of Judah. In support of these claims, the article cites Moore & Kelle (2011), who wrote that the archaeological studies up to their time seemed to support those conclusions. However, a more recent source, Sergi (2023), states that the most recent archaeological evidence indicates that monumental construction activity in Jerusalem had already begun in the 10th century BCE, and the city had developed into an administrative centre by the Iron Age IIA period (see pp. 187–201). I think the article should take this newer information into account. Potatín5 (talk) 13:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):
The line "Jerusalem was named as Urusalim on ancient Egyptian tablets, probably meaning "City of Shalem" after a Canaanite deity." should be removed or edited.
Why it should be changed:
Firstly it needs citations, and secondly this translation as being named after a Canaanite deity is already considered contentious among scholars. Shalem, whether as a town or a deity, is derived from the same root Š-L-M as the word "shalom" in Hebrew, meaning 'peace'. The much more commonly accepted translation is thus "City of Peace".
163.182.115.238 (talk) 19:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are citations in the body of the article. There is further explanation at [1] with 41 citations. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jerusalem as a whole has only been holy for Jews. The other two faiths have holy sites in the city.
The main text should be amended accordingly. Dori1951 (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not true so not done. There is a vast literature on this. Zerotalk 03:45, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is holy also to other religions, prominently to Islam and Christianity. Homerethegreat (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Freedom of Religion
@Makeandtoss and @Gjb0zWxOb I saw you dealt with Freedom of Religion in the city. I think we can discuss the issue here. From what I know there is freedom of religion in Jerusalem, Christians and Muslims can go to their holysites, albiet the Jews are partially restricted from going to the temple mount. So I do think we can alter from: Additionally, under the Basic Laws, freedom of religion is protected in Israel and Jerusalem, which includes the right of various religious groups to have access and ability to worship at their holy sites receiving protection by law
to:
Additionally, under the Basic Laws, freedom of religion is protected in Israel and Jerusalem, which includes the right of various religious groups to have access and ability to worship at their holy sites receiving protection by law, although Jews are partially restricted from accessing the Temple MountHomerethegreat (talk) 13:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No we are not quoting Israel's basic laws in a Wikipedia article and we are not taking "From what I know" as an argument. Please find supporting RS, and refrain from adding information to the lede that does not summarize the body. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think this is a good suggestion. I found some RSs that support the additional claim too.[2][3]
In respect to your concerns, @Makeandtoss I agree it does not have to be in the lede and I will put it in another portion of the article. I hope this is a solution that pleases everyone. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The sources don’t support the claim, they literally just state what the law is and nothing about what is in practice. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We can add that some Christian organizations have felt worried about harassments and that Jews are not allowed to pray in the temple mount [6][7][8] But in general it seems there is freedom of religion in Jerusalem. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All five of the sources you provided are Israeli-affiliated. Lede per MOS are summaries of the body, you are trying to add massive amounts of information to an article to which it doesn't even belong; it seems the more appropriate article would be Temple Mount, in which it is already discussed there. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gjb0zWxOb: As stated clearly in my edit summary and here, the problem isn't just in the lede but also the use of primary sources that are clearly deeply associated with the topic. Should we also quote North Korea is democratic because it calls itself as such? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think we can have something in the lead about it, perhaps you have a better idea in mind? Homerethegreat (talk) 14:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A better phrasing perhaps so that it won't be too long. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Jewish Nation-state Bill passed in 2018 states: "the realization of the right to national self-determination in Israel is unique to the Jewish people,"[9] This is difficult to reconcile with a claim of religious freedom. There is also a problem with the fate of those in conquered areas, including residents of East Jerusalem. The last paragraphs of [10] discuss this. "Over the years, the Interior Ministry has given various and sundry reasons for denying citizenship to Palestinians. This includes a family member owning land or having an electricity bill in the West Bank, or a failed short Hebrew test, or a small criminal file that was closed years ago. In one case, a person was denied because his wife, who is an Israeli citizen, published a post that mentioned the Nakba. Another person was denied because their social media profile photo showed a Palestinian flag, even though there was an Israeli flag alongside it." I don’t know if this is lack of religious freedom, racism, apartheid, or all of the above. Palestinian residents remain stateless and many cannot reside or get passports to leave. There is also the requirement for successful citizenship application to speak Hebrew and take an oath that Israel is a Jewish state. I don’t think this is simple. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]