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July 8
"Natural" Records?
Good afternoon, my name is Tom. I have a question and a problem when making edits. What happens is that I have tried to modify a couple of sports articles, adding the word "natural" to those world records that have been broken WITHOUT using any kind of innovative material, doping or enhancement. For example, in Olympic records, where records are broken without using any "support", it would be good to mark them as Natural World Records, since it specifies that they have been broken legally and within the rules of the International Olympic Committee. However, throughout recent history, new world records have been broken, but using some technological material, or doping. There are even alternatives to the Olympic Games, such as Improved Games, which plans to hold competitions without Anti-Doping testing. And I see the need to mark the records, to differentiate them from those that are not "natural" and thus avoid confusion, but also taking into account those that have been beaten using science. All this under the banner of "my body, my choice".
I understand that this is a controversial issue, but my goal is that I see it necessary to know how to differentiate one from the other. Ethics is a separate issue, but the story is a joint one.
I understand if my "objection" is rejected, I would just like to know if I would be allowed to do so. I respect any refusal, but I only ask to see the importance of differentiating what has been natural from what has not been natural.
Olympics Example: https://olympics.com/
Enhanced Games Example: https://enhanced.org/
TomDeMonaco (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @TomDeMonaco The problem is, "natural" is new terminology that is not in widespread use. To attempt to label records in this way appears to qualify as original research. Unless there is a broad movement amount sports journalists to refer to records as "natural", Wikipedia will not adopt any such novel terminology. —C.Fred (talk) 02:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Your edits will be reverted. Even ignoring the fact that you are clearly adding unsourced personal opinion to articles, your unexplained use of the word 'natural' in such contexts is entirely inappropriate, since it leaves readers guessing at what the heck it is supposed to mean. I suggest you read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, and leave it at that. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Watch out: https://enhanced.org/update-wikipedia/ 136.152.143.2 (talk) 03:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I approached the subject with respect, I would have liked to have been reciprocated and not treated as if I was a "fool" or "someone from the crystal generation". I already saw that all the changes were waste, and at NO time did I try to support any cause, contrary to what happened with the wikipedia and Scientology scandal. That's even why I wrote this post, to ask for advice, and it is more than obvious that I never put any personal opinion.
- I didn't know that the Wikipedia "community" was so hostile, even when I mentioned agreeing to a refusal of my proposal. TomDeMonaco (talk) 06:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- TomDeMonaco, as a disinterested passer-by, I can see no hostility in the responses above, and no hint of calling you a fool or anything similar (your "crystal generation" is not an expression I have ever encountered, so I do not understand its implications).
- All the responders have done is explain why your proposal is contrary to established Wikipedia protocols, and linked to relevant Wikipedia policy documents. You asked for advice, and you have been given it. I'm sorry it's not what you hoped for, but the concensus is against you.
- It's possible some reverting edit summaries, which are generally terse, may have seemed less sympathetic (I haven't looked) but the volunteers who check many thousands of edits every day have to work as efficiently as possible, have no time to spare for niceties, and after dealing with much vandalism and boneheadedness sometimes can get into a dismissive mindset even with more thoughtful if misguided edits – they are only human. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.177.243 (talk) 11:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @TomDeMonaco: "Natural" is very subjective. Any clothing could be called non-natural for humans. Most or all international sports federations have rules about allowed equipment and substances, and such rules are often updated. List of world records in swimming starts: "The world records in swimming are ratified by FINA, the international governing body of swimming." So that page is based on FINA and their rules. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. It's not for us to declare which records are "natural" if FINA or other official sources don't use that term about those records. Your edit [1] also broke 26 links by changing them to non-existing titles. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Please let that be satire. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:01, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- If it is satire, it is brilliant. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Random person no 362478479 A headline commenting on the org said quote "Not ‘The Onion’" [2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:53, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- If it is satire, it is brilliant. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Watch out: https://enhanced.org/update-wikipedia/ 136.152.143.2 (talk) 03:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- WOW, it's amazing how badly you guys took my post.
- I didn't even read more than half of it, nor do I plan to.
- Save your time, I won't read anything.
- I think it's a good idea to show your comments and make them public, because of how toxic this "community" is, so as soon as I get a chance, I'll post it. TomDeMonaco (talk) 13:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- No one here has taken anything badly, nor has anyone been rude to you. These comments are already public(you attempted to remove them). 331dot (talk) 13:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- It's amazing -- actually, not all that amazing, because we see this behavior quite often -- how badly you took the courteous responses you received, and how quickly you leapt to the conclusion that being told "No, and here's why," was "toxic" and "rude." Like just about everywhere else in the world, Wikipedia has policies and guidelines which we follow, and which apply to everyone who seeks to edit here. You are the best judge of your own time and effort, and if you want no part of a collaborative effort where anyone could say "No, and here's why," to you or where such rules would apply to you as well as to anyone else, we'll soldier on all the same. Ravenswing 17:57, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- My apologies, I have things to do, and I didn't read anything, so keep writing, I don't care.
- I noticed that some of your posts were mysteriously "modified" right after I said I will show them publicly, but I did manage to take screenshots. I wanted to delete my post because I don't have time for childish discussions. So I will just keep ignoring new posts, and close my account (in my devices) to avoid new posts.
- Your obsession with a site where you are not even paid, and where no one knows who you are, is funny.
- So keep writing, because I won't even receive notifications anymore. TomDeMonaco (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
For the interested, Enhanced Games. Well I had to, didn't I? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- May I offer the tentative suggestion that this user (not you, Gråbergs Gråa Sång!) is WP:NOTHERE? As an IP editor (due to ideological conviction) I will not pursue the matter, but possibly others may wish to. Or not. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.177.243 (talk) 23:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
About arts
Can someone. Pls let me know where can I get some help to check for some pieces of paintings that from the 15 century up till now, thx 🙏 Pwohng (talk) 10:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- hi @Pwohng and welcome to Wikipedia! unfortunately, this is not the right place for this question. perhaps try describing the piece over at the Reference desk/Humanities? happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 12:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
My page was deleted
Im trying to find out why my page was deleted. i'm a published songwriter, artist. i'va had the page for a long time and all the information was legal and correct. id really like it restored please
Any help on why and a clear break down of why it was deleted would be appreciated
grateful for any help on this matter
Amy Odell
WWW.amyodellmusic.com 46.253.44.103 (talk) 11:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I assume you are not this Amy Odell. The preferred term is article, not "page". It is difficult to be able to look at your deleted article(I am admin who can) and tell you what was wrong with it without knowing the exact title- your IP has no deleted contributions. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- There was an earlier Amy Odell article, apparently; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Odell. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I can say that it isn't enough for the content of an article to be "legal and correct"- things like notability play into it(such as the definition of a notable musician or a notable creative professional). 331dot (talk) 11:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
This article has no references. JackkBrown (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- The article has now been tagged with Template:Unreferenced and then nominated for deletion. TSventon (talk) 13:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
How can I deal with an article that might violate WP:NPOV?
Hello! By mere chance, I've run into the biography of Prime Minister of Lesotho, Sam Matekane, while I was looking for unrelated information. Having taken a quick read at the page, I've realized that, at its current state, it might have serious problems at meeting WP:NPOV criteria. Not only the article looks pretty one-sided and, at times, even unnecessarily pompous ("Matekane self-funded a state-of-the-art political campaign"; "the messianic leader that would bring stability to Lesotho politics"; "Politicians and businessmen [...] have been impressed by his meteoric rise in politics"), but several of the cited links look suspicious, too, with France 24 being the only reliable source I've recognized.
For now, I've just added a POV banner at the top of the page, but I don't think I have the experience, nor the time to go through the whole disputing process... So, should I still open a WP:NPOVD discussion on the talk page, or are there better methods to call for help to deal with this problem (for example, WP:RFC)? Oltrepier (talk) 13:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just a comment saying why you think it violates NPOV is fine @Oltrepier, it doesn't have to be something all official-like. In fact, should be fine to just copy what you wrote here on to the topic. If anyone wants to say it better, they can say something themselves. You can also just remove the worst puffery yourself if you wanted to. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Alpha3031 Right, thank you very much! By the way, it seems like I wasn't the first to report this issue... Oltrepier (talk) 13:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- You can also post on the relevant noticeboard: WP:BLPN (or alternatively WP:NPOVN, but I think BLPN is better suited here) to bring this to more people's attention. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Alpha3031 Right, thank you very much! By the way, it seems like I wasn't the first to report this issue... Oltrepier (talk) 13:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Saving draft
Hi I am working on a new wikipedia page and want to know how I can save the draft so I can work on it later this week. Could you help me? BPutte (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- BPutte You click "Publish Changes". "Publish Changes" should be understood to mean "save", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". The button used to say save, but was changed to emphasize that all edits are public. 331dot (talk) 13:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Hey can you guys find reliable published sources for Nick Dardanes. MagicalPrince863 (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @magicalprince863: no. you have to find them yourself. we will not do your work for you. lettherebedarklight晚安 14:33, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- [3]. I used google. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- ... lettherebedarklight晚安 14:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Help, please, with redirects
Can someone please help sort out the redirect hell I have got myself into? What I wanted to do was:
1. Move the current ‘Boston Manor’ article to become ‘Boston Manor House’, as proposed on the talk page.
2. Replace the current redirect from ‘Boston Manor House’ to ‘Boston Manor’ with a redirect in the other direction, from ‘Boston Manor’ to ‘Boston Manor House’.
I got myself in a mess, have tried to revert everything back to as was, but have ended up (I think) with:
3. The ‘Boston Manor’ page, as was.
4. A redirect from ‘Boston Manor House’ to ‘Boston Manor’, as was.
5. A redirect named ‘Boston Manor temporary page’ with all of the history of ‘Boston Manor’ until 2010 when (I think) an earlier ‘Boston Manor House’ page was merged into ‘Boston Manor’. Don't know what to do with this.
6. A redirect named ‘Boston Manor temporary 2’, which redirects to ‘Boston Manor House’, and needs to be deleted.
Can someone work out how to get this as it should be, and make the changes I need, namely points 1 and 2?
Eternally grateful, Masato.harada (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Masato.harada: I've fixed what I can, and the rest should be handled by an administrator (one of these redirects still needs to be deleted). In the future, if you're trying to move an article to a title you can't move it to, WP:RM/TR is the way to go – in this case, the original move is much easier to perform for users with the page mover permission, as a round-robin move. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I wish to edit this entry, which is inaccurate. How do I go about changing it, please? *1quincey* (talk) 16:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- You already asked this question at Wikipedia:Teahouse, and it is being well addressed there. Please ask in just one place, either there or here, but not both. Thanks. Feline Hymnic (talk) 17:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
donating to wikipedia
How do I change my method of donating to Wikipedia Sherw53819 (talk) 16:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- See Ways to Give, also Cancel or change recurring giving.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I suggest you also read about Wikipedia finances. Shantavira|feed me 08:02, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Auto
Auto is a large industry in the word. I am also found of autos and their usage. But by using these many issues are creating in vehicles. to solve the issues many sites are here where from you can get authentic solutions like ayttosolutions.com. Now i want to write an article on auto problems but i am new here i am unable to understand the usage of this site. Jackjonson123 (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Jackjonson123. I'm not clear what you are asking. We have hundreds of articles on automobiles and the automobile industry - if you have reliably sourced information to add to some of these, you are welcome. You can browse Category:Cars for some examples.
- But Wikipedia does not accept original research: it is an encyclopaedia, whose purpose is to summarize what existing reliable sources say about a topic, nothing more. In particular, it is not a "how to" site. ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
How to delete a Wikipedia account?
How can I delete a Wikipedia account? Heart Dearest 1803 (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Accounts cannot be deleted. You can simply stop using the account. You may ask for courtesy vanishing, but there does not seem much point in doing so for an account that has made only four edits and had no interactions with other editors. ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Old Catholic Apostolic Church
Please can someone write an entry about the Old Catholic Apostolic Church? We can't do it ourselves as we are directly involved. www.liberalcatholics.uk is a good place to start, there are other reference points too. (we are only briefly mentioned on Wikipedia on the Liberal Catholic Church entry). Thank you! 84.69.56.117 (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi IP user,
- I have had a quick look, and I cannot currently find any reliable and secondary sources that cover Old Catholic Apostolic Church in detail and offer analysis/interpretation/discussion.
- This probably means that unfortunately the Old Catholic Apostolic Church is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Have a read of Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). These are the two policies that lay out precisely what we mean by "notability" in the Wikipedia context. Only organisations that meet the notability criteria can have an article, I'm afraid.
- If you would still like to try writing an article, you can do so as long as you follow these guidelines:
- Create a user account that follows the username policy: Wikipedia:Username policy (ensure only one person has access to this user account - we do not allow multiple people to access a user account via password sharing
- Declare your conflict of interest on your userpage: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest
- Write a draft article via the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process
- An editor will then review your draft and either decline or approve it, though this may take four+ months.
- Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 19:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- If there are not enough reliable secondary sources for a stand alone article, an alternative is to see if a subsection or at least mention in an article on a related subject may be appropriate. Your homepage mentions a relationship to the Union of Utrecht. Other subjects with articles that may be related to your Church are Independent Catholicism, Old Catholic Church, Liberal Catholicism, or any of the Churches listed on List of Independent Catholic denominations. You could also see if there are enough sources for a stand alone article on the Independent Catholic Churches Council and/or the United Free Catholic Bishops Conference that are mentioned on your page.
- Here are a few pages you may find helpful:
- WP:Conflict of interest
- WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide
- WP:Edit requests
- WP:Reliable sources
- -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
The image on this page was inserted strangely. JackkBrown (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown That image has been cropped, using a template, out of a larger picture in which he is just one of the people present. Why do you think that is a problem? Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: the problem is that the caption is, as usual, in the centre, while the image is on the left. JackkBrown (talk) 00:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me on Vector 2010. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I am using the old vector and I don't see a problem either. RudolfRed (talk) 01:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Michael D. Turnbull timeless and minerva (mobile) look problematic. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know how to fix those as I never use them. The picture is correctly centred in the current default vector 2022. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: From a mobile phone the image is on the left, while the caption is in the centre (via computer I don't know). JackkBrown (talk) 13:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown I only use a PC and as I've said, I don't know how to fix this for other skins/devices. You'll have to wait for an expert to come along: either PrimeHunter or Cullen328, probably. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I edit on Android phones using the fully functional desktop view and the photo is properly centered there. I checked on the far less functional mobile view and the photo was shifted to the left. I have little technical expertise but I suspect that the problem is due to some bug/incompatibility between CSS image crop and the clunky mobile software. The Village pump -technical is probably the best place to deal with this issue in more depth. Cullen328 (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @JackkBrown I only use a PC and as I've said, I don't know how to fix this for other skins/devices. You'll have to wait for an expert to come along: either PrimeHunter or Cullen328, probably. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: From a mobile phone the image is on the left, while the caption is in the centre (via computer I don't know). JackkBrown (talk) 13:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know how to fix those as I never use them. The picture is correctly centred in the current default vector 2022. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Michael D. Turnbull timeless and minerva (mobile) look problematic. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: the problem is that the caption is, as usual, in the centre, while the image is on the left. JackkBrown (talk) 00:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
July 9
Searching the Wikipedia namespace
I often like to search for things under the 'Wikipedia:' namespace in the search box in the top right corner of the website, however by default it will only search for articles, and I switch back and forth from needing to search for articles and needing to search for Wikipedia policies, for example. Is there a way to add a template or something to my own user page that would allow me to search a specific namespace? Similar to how talk page archives tend to have an in-built search function within the page itself. Thanks, and could you please ping me as I won't be watching this. Fork99 (talk) 01:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- hi @Fork99! you may search in the Wikipedia namespace by prefixing your search with
WP:blahblah
, which I believe would be equivalent to a search forblahblah
in the Wikipedia namespace. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)- @Melecie: Hi thanks for your help, but I'm already aware of that, I'm looking for a way that doesn't require prefixing the search. Something like
AIV
orWikiProjects
that I could just type directly into a search box, possibly built within my user page. Fork99 (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)- @Fork99: The below is made with mw:Extension:InputBox. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Melecie: Hi thanks for your help, but I'm already aware of that, I'm looking for a way that doesn't require prefixing the search. Something like
- @PrimeHunter: Much appreciated! Fork99 (talk) 02:17, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hot damn! Stolen. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
References number 106 and 116 are exactly the same - please do the "doubling up" that I cannot do and leave in the quote. Thanks for your help. 175.38.42.62 (talk) 10:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for pointing out the duplication. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Could this new file: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middleton_family#/media/File:J.A._Middleton_at_Winchester_1914.jpg
on the above page be made slightly larger? Hoping so...thanks in advance 175.38.42.62 (talk) 12:41, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- IP editor. The file has been added in the standard way, with the "thumb" parameter set (see H:PIC). The idea is that readers who wish to see more detail will click on the image to do so. Because that particular image has names and a coat-of-arms in its border, the people it depicts are a bit smaller than may be ideal but I personally would leave it as-is. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:54, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Incidentally, there is a parameter called "upright" which can be used to enlarge thumb pictures a bit, as the help page describes. You could be WP:BOLD and use that to enlarge the picture in the article and see whether anyone objects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
In the "grandparents" section of this article, the old college photo has the term Eton Match underneath it - can you lease directly link that to the SPORT section on the Eton College page? The term Eton Match also appears in the early section of this article - can the same direct link be applied to the SPORT section of the Eton College page? I hope I am not asking too much. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 23:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- I've created Eton Match as a redirect to Eton College#Sport and corrected the link in Middleton family. WPscatter t/c 23:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
There is another Eton Match ref earlier in this article. Please do the same direct ref to Eton College page if able. (I changed things, sorry!) Appreciate it . 23:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.23.77 (talk)
- Note: merged all Middleton family sections. IP, please put all issues on this thread. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I've done so, but note that you are able to do most of these things yourself. See Help:Editing to get started. WPscatter t/c 00:20, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I have a issue i keep getting this error message Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues. How do i fix it. I use Microsoft edge latest version on windows 11 latest version. 71.241.213.52 (talk) 11:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, this is not an issue with your device or software. It is a backend problem with Wikipedia. No one is able to see graphs for a long time and this will continue until developers can find a fix to this problem. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 11:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Citing a a book that is organized as numbered 'articles'
Is it possible to use {{cite book}} to cite a book that is organized as numbered 'articles' (e.g. Pratt's Mechanical Philosophy? The template does not appear to offer an 'article' parameter. catslash (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Catslash: you can use
{{cite encyclopedia}}
in some cases, or you can use the page parameter since it is not required to be just a number, or you can construct a reference by adding information inside the ref tags before or after the{{cite book}}
-Arch dude (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC) - That book is organized in chapters with numbered paragraphs. I didn't find any
numbered 'articles'
. The link you gave is to pages 304–305. Those pages are in "Dynamics: Chapter V: Lunar Theory" so you might cite paragraph 339 (for example) this way:{{cite book |last=Pratt |first=John Henry |date=1841 |chapter=Dynamics: Chapter V: Lunar Theory |chapter-url=https://archive.org/details/mathematicalpri02pratgoog/page/304/mode/2up |title=The mathematical principles of mechanical philosophy and their application to the theory of universal gravitation |location=Cambridge |publisher=J. & J.J. Deighton |at=p. 304 ¶339}}
- Pratt, John Henry (1841). "Dynamics: Chapter V: Lunar Theory". The mathematical principles of mechanical philosophy and their application to the theory of universal gravitation. Cambridge: J. & J.J. Deighton. p. 304 ¶339.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for the quick and detailed response. Regarding articles vs paragraphs, notice that 339 in this example refers back to Art. 317. But in any case, this is only an example - the reference I actually want to fix is Besant (duration of implosion) on the Rayleigh–Plesset equation page. catslash (talk) 23:00, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Vandalism help request from Moorishino
I have noticed some vandalism at Marinid Sultanate. Namely,The original map of the berber state was changed by a user on 21 february 2021. I restored the original version of the map which clearly shows the historical boundaries of the state which went from Morocco to Tunisia (which is historically proven and the same page mentions it) and which is found in the same page in other languages, but some users keep reverting my picture and putting the previous one, Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Moorishino (talk) 22:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Moorishino: Hi there! It appears that your edits to this article have been reverted by three editors. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you may create a post at Talk:Marinid Sultanate to discuss your suggestions to improve the article (which is what your first reverter suggested). Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:49, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Moorishino, you need to read why edit warring is disruptive behaviour, irrespective of the rights or wrongs of the content; and how vandalism is narrowly defined as "behaviour intended to damage Wikipedia". Describing somebody's edits as vandalism just because you disagree with them is also disruptive behaviour. ColinFine (talk) 11:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Are these two articles the same and what should I do about them?
While going around some Tuvalu articles, I found Pukasavilivili and Tepuka Vili Vili. I have some level of suspicion that they are the same subject. When describing an entrance to the atoll, they use the exact same sentence. They also mention two similar sounding cyclones with similar years, Cyclone Meli (1979) and Cyclone Keli (1997), which in previous versions were the same, Meli. There are more things but I am having difficulties in knowing what to do because the citations I might need have been usurped to an Indonesian casino page or do not have a URL attached. ✶Mitch199811✶ 22:08, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Mitch199811: If you don't receive an answer here, you might get an answer at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tuvalu. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Dr. Blofeld as creator of both articles on 27 June 2007, can you answer this?
- @Mitch199811 archived copies of web pages may help, e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20191203052826/http://www.tuvaluislands.com/islands/funafuti_kogatapu.html . TSventon (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Looking around the archived website, it seems that it is a duplicated article. Only Tepuka Vili Vili is mentioned on maps and the map of the atoll shows a different island where the coords template of Pukasavilivili says it is. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Mitch199811 a Google books search of the two names supports the idea that they are the same islet, so it would make sense to merge the articles and leave a note on the talk page of your reasons. The article title should be the WP:COMMONNAME if there is one. TSventon (talk) 10:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Mitch199811, for information Pukasavilivili and Tepuka Vili Vili seem to be alternative names so CSD:A10 (recently created article that duplicates an existing topic) does not apply and a WP:Redirect should be created. Also the articles were both created in 2007. TSventon (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Could I just throw the data together then make Pukasavilivili the redirect or would a greater discussion be needed? ✶Mitch199811✶ 15:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think a bold redirect should be fine, if anyone disagrees they could revert. It would be helpful if you explained your reasons, e.g. which maps you have checked, which island has Pukasavilivili's coordinates. Also Template:Islands of Tuvalu lists both. There are duplicate articles in Chinese and Portuguese, so I would be interested in seeing if editors there want to merge their articles, then the Wikidata items could be merged. TSventon (talk) 15:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Could I just throw the data together then make Pukasavilivili the redirect or would a greater discussion be needed? ✶Mitch199811✶ 15:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Looking around the archived website, it seems that it is a duplicated article. Only Tepuka Vili Vili is mentioned on maps and the map of the atoll shows a different island where the coords template of Pukasavilivili says it is. ✶Mitch199811✶ 03:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Referencing errors on Rosalynn Carter
Reference help requested. How do you do that? Thanks Hellopeople900 (talk) 22:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Hellopeople900: I reverted your edits, because it doesn't seem necessary to mention that they celebrated their wedding anniversary every year. Please review WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn how to format references properly. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:43, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
George Michael and Wham!: geography
There is a simple hand-drawn map in:
- Negus, Keith; Sledmere, Adrian (May 2022). "Postcolonial paths of pop: a suburban psychogeography of George Michael and Wham!". Popular Music. 41 (2): 131–151. doi:10.1017/S0261143022000253. Retrieved 9 July 2023. PDF
- "Creative Commons CC-BY-NC-ND" Creative Commons NonCommercial license
The article needs a map. WHere are the SVG or map makers? .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 00:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- The non-commercial license is not acceptable for Wikipedia. It must be licensed in a way that allows for reuse for any reason. RudolfRed (talk) 02:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
July 10
Search
Want to know 41.116.237.22 (talk) 03:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello IP address!
- Could you be more specific what you want to know about? 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう!) 03:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Correct error
My mother's name is incorrect in my father's entry. How do I fix that. Valkyrielively (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Your father's article has a "talk" page. Suggest the correction there, of course specifying a reliable source for what you say. 110.2.104.224 (talk) 03:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Valkyrielively I note that you made the change directly. It would have be much better if you had at the same time supplied a source for the whole paragraph in the "legacy" section, since a basic principle for Wikipedia is that readers be able to verify all content. I have now done so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Can the file (1891 photo) added just now in the Alan Cecil Lupton section at the end of the page be made a tiny bit larger? Thank you if you can do this 115.70.23.77 (talk) 04:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- It looks fine to me, considering other similar images are about the same size. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう!) 05:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Subcategories
Hi,
Category:Ice hockey clubs established in 2022
I'm unsure how I go about 'activating' the subcategory for 2023.
I have been updating this page Baton Rouge Pro Hockey (FPHL), which would fall into this subcategory for 2023.
thanks Meshel
MeshelMeares (talk) 07:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- @MeshelMeares: - I've created the category for you. Mjroots (talk) 16:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- You create the category just as you would a new article. In this case, type "Category:category name in the search box and press "Go". Click on the redlink and type some text and/or the category of which you want this to be a subcategory. Press "Pubish page" and you're done. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Globally locked user
If a user is globally locked, what it cannot do and what the user can do? Can the globally locked user still edit their own user talk page? Can it login to their own account? Vitaium (talk) 08:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Does the page you linked to not answer your questions? It says
When an account is locked, attempts to log into it fail on all Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) public wikis, such as Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikimedia Commons, and Wikibooks, in all available languages
. ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC) - @Vitaium: And as the page you linked also says, their only recourse is to appeal their block via an email to the stewards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is there something in particular that has prompted your question? 331dot (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Does it mean the user is always unregistered/IP user forever until the user send appeal to the stewards until the steward accepts it and unlock the user? Vitaium (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- A globally locked user should not be attempting to edit a Wikimedia project at all until their global lock is removed. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- To spell this out even more explicitly – although the lock is by necessity applied to the account, the block is aimed at the user of that account, so they should not evade it by trying to use a different (perhaps new) account or by editing as an IP – if the latter is detected, IP ranges can also be blocked, but as this potentially inconveniences other 'innocent' users who happen to have IPs in the range, it is something preferably avoided, and forcing its use will not help the sanctioned user's cause. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Does it mean the user is always unregistered/IP user forever until the user send appeal to the stewards until the steward accepts it and unlock the user? Vitaium (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Is there something in particular that has prompted your question? 331dot (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
blacklisted
How can I unblacklist my article draft? Stellaindiasmith (talk) 09:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Stellaindiasmith Your draft Draft:Daniel Dugan was declined twice, it is not blacklisted? The topic is not notable and fails the criteria at WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 09:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- it says "Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist." Stellaindiasmith (talk) 12:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Stellaindiasmith: You tried to add a link to https://ndworld.guru/general-news/read/page/dugan_nd009. It is .guru which is blacklisted. Just avoid that. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- it says "Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist." Stellaindiasmith (talk) 12:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Stellaindiasmith Your draft was WP:REFUNDed at your request after being deleted automatically because it had not been edited in six months. You can now work on it again to illustrate with good sourcing how Dugan is notable as Wikipedia defines that (linked above). Do not re-submit it for consideration until the draft shows he meets those criteria or it will be declined again. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Stellaindiasmith Clearly you tried to add a link to a website that is blacklisted, if you remove that link you can save your edits. Theroadislong (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
2024 MLB All-Star Game page
Can you fix the error i made please. 98.186.55.18 (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Or is it the error message saying "Check |url=value"? (It would help if you would specify the error you are asking for help on). If it is that, then the problem is that
https://nbcsports.com/mlb/news/texas-rangers-to-host-2024-mlb all-star-game
is not a valid URL, as it has a space in it. - The correct URL appears to be https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/texas-rangers-to-host-2024-all-star-game . ColinFine (talk) 15:44, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Done, I fixed the infobox so it would appear in article. Is that the error you wanted help with? Cmr08 (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Can you please fix the error i made on the reference please thank you.98.186.55.18 (talk) 16:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done, I fixed the reference so the error message is now gone. Is that the error you wanted help with? Cmr08 (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
How I'll get my own link ?
How Amanthapa10 (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, Amanthapa10. It's not clear what you are asking.
- I suspect that you might be making the common mistake of thinking that Wikipedia is like social media, where you have "a page" where you can tell people about yourself or your activities. It isn't. You can have your User page, User:Amanthapa10 (that link is red because you haven't created it yet), but that is for sharing information about yourself and your activities as a Wikipedia editor, and it will not get indexed by search engines.
- The main part of Wikipedia consists of encyclopaedia articles: neutrally written articles about notable subjects, based entirely on what reliable published sources say about the subject. Unless you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (which most of us do not), there cannot and will not be an article about you. And if you do meet those criteria, there can be an article about you, but you are strongly discouraged from trying to write it yourself.
- Does this answer you question? If it doesn't, then please clarify. ColinFine (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
what happened to my page preview on Android app?
My only option is to go to the articles or open another tab Pinaforemom (talk) 16:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- For questions about the app, the best place to ask is either WP:VPT, or mw:Apps ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I also posted in teahouse, fortunately got a response referencing your reply.
Unfortunately notification for this never arrived. I've registered with phabricator and will post a bug for android app, with this and other hyperlink issues incurred. Pinaforemom (talk) 18:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Using the Icelandic alphabet
I notice that the Goðafoss article uses alot of Icelandic letters, ones not found in the English alphabet. Is this . ... kosher? Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- There is some guidance at MOS:ROMANISATION about the use of characters that are not commonly used in present-day English . Wikipedia generally follows the usage of reliable English language sources. TSventon (talk) 18:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Indexing Wikipedia Page
Hi there,
I was wondering how I could change the indexing of a wikipedia page I created. This is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Agriculture,_Food_Systems,_and_Community_Development Ed132132 (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Currently, it is being indexed on Google as Talk: Journal of Agriculture, Food Systems, and Community Development, and I was wondering how to remove the "Talk:" section of it. Thanks! Ed132132 (talk) 20:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- We have absolutely no control of how Google indexes anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Ed132132, somehow Google had found and indexed the Draft talk page, it seems, which is now a redirect to the talk page, so Google is showing that result. The main article itself was moved into the article space but has not yet been patrolled yet and is less than 90 days old so it will be marked as no index for search engines. See Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing for more details. When it has been patrolled and approved, or 90 days is reached, Google and other search engines will at some point begin indexing it and will probably replace the talk page in Google results. Skynxnex (talk) 20:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Help with featured topic
Hey, I'm on a crusade to get In Rainbows and associated articles to feautred/good articles as defined by the featured topic criteria. There are a few songs in the album that haven't been created (15 Step, Weird Fishes/Arpeggi, Faust Arp, Videotape). I've never done anything like this, so I'm hoping that someone more familiar with the rules can help me.
- I'm pretty sure I would have to create an associated article for every song in the main album. However, would I have to create an associated article for every song in In Rainbows Disk 2, could I just make one article for all those songs, or does it not warrant an article?
- Does In Rainbows – From the Basement need to be brought up to standard, or is it sufficiently far enough away from the album to not require it?
Thanks in advance! Cessaune [talk] 23:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Cessaune, I normally avoid hair-splitting over Wikipedia-related terminology -- notably the codswallop epitomized by "No, it is not 'her article'; it is 'the article about her'!" (which betrays a wilful ignorance of the uses of the genitive case) -- but really, crusade has undesirable connotations. In Rainbows is already a FA. I'm not familiar with this album, but find it very hard to believe that for any pop album constructed of ten tracks there's so much to say about every one of these ten that an FA-length article can be created for it other than by weighing it down with trivia, prolix anecdotes, imperceptive "reviews", so-called "references" that have occurred in "popular culture", and other soporific verbiage. And if it were so weighed down, it might (and I think should) fail FA candidacy for tedium. -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC) Cessaune, I seriously misread your question as asking whether, in order to be a featured topic, every subject that might be a spin-off from the title article (e.g. every track, if the title article is an album) needed to have an article and whether this in turn needed to be an FA. I blame serious caffeine deficiency (since rectified); but yes, other possible causes also come to mind. -- Hoary (talk) 01:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I mean, Title (album) is a featured topic, so I think that provides sufficient precedent. And In Rainbows is considered a pretty good album critically, from a critically lauded band. Cessaune [talk] 00:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm so ignorant of pop music: not only had I never heard of Title, I see that it's by someone named Meghan Trainor -- a completely unfamiliar name to me. My ignorance aside, does this article not answer one of your questions? I learn that the album's "standard edition" has 11 tracks. Only five of the 11 are linked to. I can't believe that all the other six have articles, and that nobody has yet got around to linking these: this is an FA, after all. And if it's a featured topic, then the lack of an article about each and every one of its tracks doesn't seem to have been an impediment. -- Hoary (talk) 01:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I mean, Title (album) is a featured topic, so I think that provides sufficient precedent. And In Rainbows is considered a pretty good album critically, from a critically lauded band. Cessaune [talk] 00:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
July 11
Understanding how to fix syntaxhighlight errors
I noticed that the Teahouse is in Category:Pages_with_syntax_highlighting_errors. From the note that at top of that category, this is due to the syntaxhighlight tag. The only occurance currently on the Teahouse is this:
<syntaxhighlight>importScript('User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js');</syntaxhighlight>
Apparently this fix is to just define a known computing language name
for the syntaxhightlight tag, as if that is the most intuitive thing to understand and do. But there are no instructions on how to do that that I see. How is that done, and is there any way to know which languages are currently supported? Is there a page with more instructions somewhere?
Also, it seems that maybe setting lang="text" might mask the errors. Is there any way to make that the default? The Teahouse thread will eventually be archived, making the problem there temporary, but there are 1350 other pages with this error currently.
RudolfRed (talk) 03:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- For your specific example; <syntaxhighlight lang="javascript">importScript('User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js');</syntaxhighlight>. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Can’t use Citation tool
I am trying to create a citation on an article and I couldn’t do an auto-citation so I clicked on “Manual” and clicked “Website” and the menu disapears instead of opening the usual menu. GameOfAwesome (talk) 04:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)