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Hello, and good to see you editing again! I hope all is well. Yay! Randy Kryn (talk) 11:56, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Randy, thanks for your message and warm welcome! Yes, I was retired from here for a few years, but decided to come back to it! Hope you're keeping well! :) --woodensuperman 11:58, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Fine here too. Glad you came back, although you know how addictive it is (I've put into place a few safeguards to contain my wikiaddiction, never looking at the internet on a phone, time cutoffs, etc.). Things going well here, and the navboxes have grown but still not seen on mobile (at least I've been told). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I need to make sure I don't allow myself to get too worried about minor details stressing me out this time around! I look forward to collaborating with you again! --woodensuperman 12:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- We'll probably argue and duel over details, if not it wouldn't be Wikipedia, but not enough to stress. Some of the arguments here go on for tens of thousands of words, have read some epic ones in the last years. Let me know if help is needed on one of your projects or a disagreement on style, etc. Made my day, seeing you back. See you on the slopes! Randy Kryn (talk) 12:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I need to make sure I don't allow myself to get too worried about minor details stressing me out this time around! I look forward to collaborating with you again! --woodensuperman 12:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Fine here too. Glad you came back, although you know how addictive it is (I've put into place a few safeguards to contain my wikiaddiction, never looking at the internet on a phone, time cutoffs, etc.). Things going well here, and the navboxes have grown but still not seen on mobile (at least I've been told). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Randy, thanks for your message and warm welcome! Yes, I was retired from here for a few years, but decided to come back to it! Hope you're keeping well! :) --woodensuperman 11:58, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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Edit summaries
When altering an article please be careful to include an edit summary to avoid wasting the time of other editors. Tim riley talk 16:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Unused Templates Task Force
Hey, I've noticed you being active in Tfd's for the past few days. If you're interested in joining the task force I started, the Unused Templates Task Force, feel free to join and participate. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Woodensuperman, I saw that you once again undid my edit on the article Flo. Well, I'm new to Wikipedia and I like to understand things, could you explain to me why this inclusion is unnecessary? I consulted other articles and they are basically the same thing, I was in doubt. ?Silencedoc¿ 14:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Because the order of succession is already there on the navbox {{Brit Rising Star}} at the bottom, so effectively you're showing the same info twice, which is unnecessary. --woodensuperman 15:50, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Woodensuperman sorry, so need to remove one to keep the other? I think I got confused when I made the edit. ?Silencedoc¿ 16:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but it should be the navbox that stays, not the succession box. --woodensuperman 11:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- why? the other articles I consulted have the succession Box. ?Silencedoc¿ 13:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- If I may jump in here. Are succession boxes shown on mobile? Navboxes aren't, which is why what may seem like duplicate information actually is not because well over half the readers don't receive navboxes. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Randy Kryn, Answering your question, yes the succession boxes shown on mobile. Navbox are hidden. ?Silencedoc¿ 13:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. If that's the case then there seems no problem in including both if the editor feels up to creating such a thing. Can't say tnformation is duplicated if half the readers cannot read the data being referred to. I can understand how succession boxes could be considered clutter on some pages, but I'm not a succession box creator and seldom read them (I also don't pull up the internet on my phone so, as I've been saying, as to not carry the addiction around with me). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Randy Kryn, Answering your question, yes the succession boxes shown on mobile. Navbox are hidden. ?Silencedoc¿ 13:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, NONE of the other articles in this series have a succession box. --woodensuperman 13:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Series? Sam Smith and Nicki Minaj have. ?Silencedoc¿ 13:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Nicki Minaj did not even win one of these, so not sure what she has to do with it! And ugh, the clutter on the Sam Smith page! --woodensuperman 14:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- As for navboxes on mobile, you'd think with the two zillion dollars the Foundation receives each year somebody somewhere could come up with coding to make navbox mobile viewing possible and non-intrusive. I've questioned that in the past and received a no-way-Jose answer from a Foundation editor (probably thinking my off-line name is Jose). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Woodensuperman, What? Nicki Minaj remains a succession box. If Sam Smith's article is wrong, how about editing it? Well, I can name others, like Eminem, Dua Lipa and especially Drake. ?Silencedoc¿ 14:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- But these are not succession boxes for this award. For it to have any navigation value at all these would need to be present on all the pages, which is why a navbox is a much neater solution --woodensuperman 14:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Also, note with Drake, only the one that doesn't have a navbox is in the succession table. --woodensuperman 14:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Woodensuperman, "this award." would be the Rising Star? It is one of the main categories of THE BRITs, Adele and Sam Smith own it. In the succession table, other articles do not even have a navbox, but are cited. ?Silencedoc¿ 14:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Woodensuperman, re-added Navboxes to the article, changing a few things. Hope you don't remove it. ?Silencedoc¿ 22:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- You removed one of the navboxes which was relevant, and added an irrelevant one {{Universal Music Group}} which should not be there. As I keep saying, including the succession box is WP:UNDUE as it repeats the navbox and gives too much weight to this award over anything else, please stop adding it. --woodensuperman 11:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Woodensuperman, The reason you remove it every time, is that you consider Rising Star to be an irrelevant navbox? and that why should keep invisible? ?Silencedoc¿ 12:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not at all, you are the one who removed the Rising Star navbox, I put it back. The navbox should definitely stay. What is not needed is the succession box. As I have already mentioned, this is duplicate information, and it is not included on most of the other articles on this series, so it does not perform any significant navigation function, as the chain ends after the first article. --woodensuperman 12:29, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Woodensuperman, got it. But I removed it to keep the succession box. Okay, there are two problems, I don't want to argue, but understand. First, duplicate information? could you explain to me what was duplicated? I thought that by removing the navbox and adding the succession box, it would no longer be a duplication. Second, are you referring to not being included in other articles in the same series? For example, predecessor Holly? Anyway, the problem is that there are other articles where the predecessors do not have the succession box, but they are included in other articles. ?Silencedoc¿ 12:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- The navbox should be there to preserve WP:BIDIRECTIONALITY, the succession box is the unnecessary one. The only other article in this series with the succession box is Sam Smith, and frankly I'm inclined to remove a lot of that succession box clutter from that article. --woodensuperman 12:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Woodensuperman, got it. But I removed it to keep the succession box. Okay, there are two problems, I don't want to argue, but understand. First, duplicate information? could you explain to me what was duplicated? I thought that by removing the navbox and adding the succession box, it would no longer be a duplication. Second, are you referring to not being included in other articles in the same series? For example, predecessor Holly? Anyway, the problem is that there are other articles where the predecessors do not have the succession box, but they are included in other articles. ?Silencedoc¿ 12:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not at all, you are the one who removed the Rising Star navbox, I put it back. The navbox should definitely stay. What is not needed is the succession box. As I have already mentioned, this is duplicate information, and it is not included on most of the other articles on this series, so it does not perform any significant navigation function, as the chain ends after the first article. --woodensuperman 12:29, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Woodensuperman, The reason you remove it every time, is that you consider Rising Star to be an irrelevant navbox? and that why should keep invisible? ?Silencedoc¿ 12:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- You removed one of the navboxes which was relevant, and added an irrelevant one {{Universal Music Group}} which should not be there. As I keep saying, including the succession box is WP:UNDUE as it repeats the navbox and gives too much weight to this award over anything else, please stop adding it. --woodensuperman 11:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Nicki Minaj did not even win one of these, so not sure what she has to do with it! And ugh, the clutter on the Sam Smith page! --woodensuperman 14:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Series? Sam Smith and Nicki Minaj have. ?Silencedoc¿ 13:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- If I may jump in here. Are succession boxes shown on mobile? Navboxes aren't, which is why what may seem like duplicate information actually is not because well over half the readers don't receive navboxes. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- why? the other articles I consulted have the succession Box. ?Silencedoc¿ 13:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but it should be the navbox that stays, not the succession box. --woodensuperman 11:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Woodensuperman sorry, so need to remove one to keep the other? I think I got confused when I made the edit. ?Silencedoc¿ 16:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Events page moves
Hi. Please do not mass move pages like you did today. Please self-revert and raise an RM. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 10:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @DaxServer:, If you look at the page histories, you'll see that I was reverting undiscussed moves made by another user a couple of days ago. --woodensuperman 10:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Although it does seem that there was one with an existing requested move that may have been overlooked when I was reverting the other user's moves, so apologies for that. WP:NOYEAR is still the relevant guideline though. --woodensuperman 10:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
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Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
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