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Semmens and Goldfinch
Thanks for whitelisting "How Steam Locomotives Really Work". I only used {{sfn whitelist}} as there was only three instances of the error, and I had just recently bothered Renata3 with some updates. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 13:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Descriptive edit summary
Hello, I’m Ilovejames5. I just wanted to inform you that while reverting my edits on LNER Class V2, you seem to have forgot to add a good edit summary. The edit summary you add was “rv”. I understand this stands for “remove”, but the summary does not provide enough information about the edit. I assume this edit was made in good faith, but why was the edit summary simply “rv”? Also, I did read the Help:Edit summary page, and it does say to simply say rv for reverts, but you added informative summaries for the other edits, so why does the summary on this edit say rv?Ilovejames5 11:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hi, the edit you made removed a red link, which Redrose64 may not have noticed. I have changed it back to the version you left it as to remove the red link. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 11:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Ilovejames5 and Mattdaviesfsic: Red links are not prohibited. Locomotive names normally link to the person, place or thing that the loco was named after, in this case it was the fast goods service introduced a little earlier by all the major rail companies (it was rather like the Red Star Parcels service twenty-some years later, but for goods not parcels), for which we don't yet have an article. I need to locate my 1930s issues of The Railway Magazine, most of which went missing during a house move earlier this year. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I understand. The problem is why didn’t you put the explanation in the edit summary? Ilovejames5 03:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- This edit was poorly considered. This edit just made it worse. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:25, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- Is there a particular issue of the RM you want to consult? I have access to the digital archive. The OCR isn't fabulous for earlier issues so search can be tricky but it can be good if you know where to look. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:33, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- This edit was poorly considered. This edit just made it worse. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:25, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I understand. The problem is why didn’t you put the explanation in the edit summary? Ilovejames5 03:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Ilovejames5 and Mattdaviesfsic: Red links are not prohibited. Locomotive names normally link to the person, place or thing that the loco was named after, in this case it was the fast goods service introduced a little earlier by all the major rail companies (it was rather like the Red Star Parcels service twenty-some years later, but for goods not parcels), for which we don't yet have an article. I need to locate my 1930s issues of The Railway Magazine, most of which went missing during a house move earlier this year. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- I meant revertIlovejames5:) 11:14, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Measurement units in text
I wonder if I could ask your advice? I am writing an article on the electrification of the LSWR, and the issue of the correct use of units and abbreviations is in my mind. I wonder if you know where there is an authoritative [not one person's opinion, however strongly held] about how these should be written on Wikipedia. Examples are 25kV ac or is it 25 kV a.c. or 25-kV AC; a 60-foot rail, or is it a 60 feet rail or a 60ft rail or a 60 ft rail? Those are only examples; there are a lot more. Obviously I am aware of SI units, but people in real life (for whom I am writing the article) don't use SI units. My next door neighbour doesn't refer to speed in terms of m/s. Maybe she should, but she doesn't. Afterbrunel (talk) 18:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Afterbrunel: Whether to use SI or not is covered by MOS:UNITS. Whichever you use, you should provide a conversion to the other system; the
{{convert}}
template may be used for this, and it's often best to feed it with the actual values that your sources use. So, if your source says 60 feet, and the article primarily uses imperial units, you would use{{convert|60|ft|m}}
which produces 60 feet (18 m); and if the article primarily uses metric, you would use{{convert|60|ft|m|order=flip}}
which produces 18 metres (60 ft). - Whether it's SI or not, there should be a space between value and symbol, and the convert template handles that for you. However, the space is replaced by a hyphen when the value/unit pair is being used as a compound adjective, and so you would add the parameter
|adj=on
, as in{{convert|60|ft|m|adj=on}}
which produces 60-foot (18 m). See MOS:UNITSYMBOLS. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)- Thank you. I particularly like the distinction for two words used as a compound adjective, which many people seem to fail to understand. Afterbrunel (talk) 11:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- I forgot to add proper examples: (1) the line was laid with rails 60 feet (18 m) long; (2) the line was laid with 60-foot (18 m) rails. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Afterbrunel (talk) 14:27, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- I forgot to add proper examples: (1) the line was laid with rails 60 feet (18 m) long; (2) the line was laid with 60-foot (18 m) rails. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I particularly like the distinction for two words used as a compound adjective, which many people seem to fail to understand. Afterbrunel (talk) 11:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Season's greetings
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Quick thanks
For catching this - appreciate it! Lord Roem ~ (talk) 20:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Redrose64!
Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.
— Moops ⋠T⋡ 20:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks
Thank you for fixing the List of named passenger trains of the United Kingdom. I was 95% certain that a LNWR train would run EUS–GLC, but the mention of Aberdeen reminded me that a few WCML overnights ran via Mossend and Cowlairs into Queen Street before reversing north. It's good to have someone with the right sources around. Certes (talk) 12:25, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Certes: The LNWR handed its trains over to the Caledonian at Carlisle, and the Caledonian had no running powers into Glasgow Queen Street, which was a North British station (after Grouping, it became LNER, and so remained owned by a rival railway until nationalisation). Besides Glasgow Central, the Caledonian also had Buchanan Street (see red lines here), which (like Central) had access from both south-east and north-east, and from where services to Aberdeen certainly did run. But Allen is clear:
the London & North Western scheduled their principal night Scottish service, at 11.50 p.m. from Euston, to reach Glasgow Central at 7.50 a.m.
; elsewhere in the chapter, he mentions both of these stations several times, but King's Cross is only mentioned in the context of comparison of the East Coast route's timings, and neither Queen Street nor Buchanan Street are mentioned at all. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 22:43, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Discussion about disambiguating station links in modules and templates
There is a discussion about disambiguating station links in modules and templates you may wish to contribute to.— Rod talk 12:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I wonder if you might consider removing your response, or at least moving it here? Mackensen (talk) 02:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
More Sources
Hi, I'm Ilovejames5. I just wanted to ask you if you can get more sources for NER Class Z, Draft:NER Class 4CC, Draft:LNER Class D47 and Draft:GCR Class 13? I understand you need to find your 1930s issues of The Railway Magazine, so if you need time then that's ok. I just wanted you to help, and if you would that would be grateful. :)Ilovejames5 09:30, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortuantly, NER Class S1 and NER Class S2 (pages I contributed majorly to) also need more sources. Can you please help me? Ilovejames5:) 09:40, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
New signature (not requesting you to change it)
Do you like my new signature? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovejames5 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- No, because you failed to sign. See also WP:NOTFORUM. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- Whoops! I forgot XD. Here it is : Ilovejames5🚂:) 07:54, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Reversion of your edit
Hi, I'm Ilovejames5🚂:). I just wanted to tell you that I reverted an edit you made to NER Class V, because of consistency reasons. I know you may not be happy, but please do not revert my edit. Sorry! Ilovejames5🚂:) 08:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Ilovejames5 - this is very close to WP:OWN behaviour. RedRose can revert your edit if he wishes, with a valid reason: it's not up to you to say that my way is right and that's the end of it. I have no opinion on the mater at hand, however. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 08:36, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I was just saying that I'd prefer consistency Ilovejames5🚂:) 08:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- My source (Boddy et al. 1979, p. 90) says
L.N.E.R. Renumbering
--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
When the Thompson scheme was formulated in 1943 it took into account locomotives in stock at 4th July of that year. In class C6 no. 532 had by then been scrapped and the remaining engines then became 2930–48. No. 643 (2930) was condemned during the following month so that when the renumbering scheme was published in December 1943, the numbers were shown as 2931–48. Further withdrawals of class C6 had occurred before the scheme was implemented in 1946.- I understand, just I prefer every article saying 1946 numbering. Ilovejames5🚂:) 07:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- My source (Boddy et al. 1979, p. 90) says
- I was just saying that I'd prefer consistency Ilovejames5🚂:) 08:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Edit summary
Re your edit summary, note this was done by the AfC helper script after a perfunctory and often helpful addition of relevant project banners. I wouldn't fathom being rude enough to call volunteering towards expediently tackling a backlog as making "a mess" because you didn't happen to agree with my selection of banners. Perhaps next time a wiser move would imply just gauging the most pertinent banners in your opinion without the added snark. Best, PK650 (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- @PK650: Your edit summary includes the link AFCH, the linked page includes a box stating
Warning: You take full responsibility for any action you perform using the Articles for Creation Helper Script.
Therefore, as with all edits, script-assisted or otherwise, you are responsble for what happens when you save the edit. We provide a WP:PREVIEW feature, if you had used it you would have seen that not only does{{WikiProject Genetics}}
not exist, but the page already had a{{WikiProject banner shell}}
within which your additional banners should have been placed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)- I won't engage if you fail to see the rude tone of your summary. Happy editing, PK650 (talk) 00:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- Did you actually look at page that you saved ? It was a mess. Once it was pointed out to you, you blamed the tools rather than accept responsibility. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- I won't engage if you fail to see the rude tone of your summary. Happy editing, PK650 (talk) 00:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
A pie for you!
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Judging by the amount of edits you have made, you may be hungry. Have this for lunch! Ilovejames5🚂:) 12:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC) |
Disambiguation links
As part of your campaign to restore removed red links, you added a link to the page 4CC, referring in your edit summary to a section of a guideline which says "A link to a non-existent article (a "red link") should be included on a disambiguation page only when a linked article (not just other disambiguation pages) also includes that red link". Which linked article contains that red link? JBW (talk) 21:51, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
- @JBW: Please see Special:WhatLinksHere/NER Class 4CC. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:18, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Always precious
Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
My bad - it's my first time merging an article and I was following the instructions on WP:MERGE Eilidhmax (talk) 21:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's an old instruction, dating back to October 2015, and I don't think that it was updated when WikiProject banners were amended to autodetect redirects. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Regarding list syntax inside syntaxhighlight
Seems like there is a bug in discussion tools (see phab:T251633). Was certainly not intentional :) Jdlrobson (talk) 01:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
(Context: Special:Diff/1136926266) Jdlrobson (talk) 01:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Need help with reference formatting
See Subhas Chandra Bose. The first sentences of the opening paragraph currently read as:-
"Subhas Chandra Bose (/ʃʊbˈhɑːs ˈtʃʌndrə ˈboʊs/ (listen) shuub-HAHSS CHUN-drə BOHSS;[12] 23 January 1897 – 18 August 1945[4][5]) was an Indian nationalist whose defiance of British authority in India made him a hero among many Indians,[h][i][j] but his wartime alliances with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan left a legacy vexed by authoritarianism,[16][k][l][m][n] anti-Semitism,[o][p][q][23] and military failure.[r][26][27][s][t]
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Would it be possible to improve it? I want it to be turned into:-
"Subhas Chandra Bose (/ʃʊbˈhɑːs ˈtʃʌndrə ˈboʊs/ (listen) shuub-HAHSS CHUN-drə BOHSS;[12] 23 January 1897 – 18 August 1945[4][5]) was an Indian nationalist whose defiance of British authority in India made him a hero among many Indians, but his wartime alliances with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan left a legacy vexed by authoritarianism, anti-Semitism, and military failure.[Notes]
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Would it be possible to include all references and quotes in a simple "Notes"? If so, can you send me the proper draft? Thanks Editorkamran (talk) 06:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Editorkamran: The text concerned is a modest 571 bytes of readable text (including the
{{IPAc-en}}
and that{{respell}}
) which is not a problem. But the notes and references boost this to 35,135 bytes which is way over the top. MOS:LEAD says that the lead section should summarise the article body; therefore, anything mentioned in the lead should also be mentioned in the article. Since the prose in the body of the article should be referenced where required by the policy on verifiability, and annotated as necessary, there is rarely any need to also have references in the lead. Also, why are there extensive quotations? If quotations need to be attached to references, that implies that the reference is weak and needs to be justified. I suggest that you make sure that the body is referenced, and then removed the refs and notes from the lead. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi. When I made that change, the article, Stromboli, had been changed to a dab, with the original article being split into Stromboli Island and an article on the volcano itself. That change has since been reverted. Onel5969 TT me 10:43, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
- Just went through and reverted any of the other dab changes I made regarding this, since it is no longer a dab.Onel5969 TT me 11:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
oops
Thank you for catching that : ) - jc37 18:37, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
LGBT Helplines on Killing of Brianna Ghey
Hey. I'm pretty sure the URL in the content you just removed on Killing of Brianna Ghey was a mistake by Ward20. The rest of the citation details match this PinkNews article. With the 1RR, could you self-revert and add the corrected URL? Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: It appears that Pokelova (talk · contribs) has already done this. But editors like Ward20 (talk · contribs) need to be extremely careful when adding content to what is a particularly sensitive topic. A mistake in the URL means that the verifiability of the text falls down flat. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah I see that. True Ward20 should have checked that the URL was correct, but I would also point out that a simple Google search of the title immediately brought up the correct article, and it could have been fixed without needing Pokelova or yourself to revert. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)