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The Signpost: 1 January 2023
* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC) Happy New Year, Paine Ellsworth!Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages. — Moops ⋠T⋡ 20:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi Paine Ellsworth, Thanks for the clean-up related to the Requiem for a Tower/Lux Aeterna (Mansell) page merge. I have a question about the addition of the {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} template to the infobox on Lux Aeterna (Mansell). I must admit that I don't quite understand what this template is meant to do, but I suspect that it's not supposed to display as it is in that infobox. If it's functioning as intended, so be it, but I thought you might like to review it. Cheers. Marchije•speak/peek 16:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023Hello Paine Ellsworth,
2022 Awards Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone! Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.) New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD. Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see. Reminders
NotificationUser talk:MB#New pages patrol newsletter Request to explain reasons for closing the requested move "Altaic languages" to "Transeurasian languages."Also very curious why you believe "also called Transeurasian" is an untrue claim. Thank you. Ignis Cheldon (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. The backstory is the discussion here at Template talk:US state navigation box#Remove flags... again, your edit removing the code[1], my mistaken revert of an IP here[2], their undo pointing out my mistake[3]; yet, I can still add an image to the navbox as evidenced at my sandbox. I'm I missing something? --DB1729talk 23:23, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Independent school RMHi Paine, thanks for closing the RM discussion at Talk:Independent school. However, it seems to me that there was enough consensus to support the move. There were 9 participants, of which 5 supported the move to "private school", which is the undisputable common name. There was also one comment by Necrothesp. They didn't give explicit support for the move, but they did agree "private schools" and "independent schools" are the same thing, at least in the UK. There was some opposition around WP:RETAIN, but it was shown that both terms are used in the UK and Australia. Also, per MOS:COMMONALITY we should use the name used in all countries, rather than the one used in only some of them. To sum up: most editors supported the move per WP:COMMONNAME. The issues raised by the minority of opposers were rebutted. Would you mind reconsidering your close? Thanks. Vpab15 (talk) 13:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
2023 invasion of the Brazilian CongressYou've messed up the links on other articles while moving and deleting redirects. Please fix it. Roman Reigns Fanboy (talk) 15:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)Hi. Thanks for taking the time, but I have concerns about the closing at Talk:14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)#Requested move 26 December 2022.
So I am requesting that you to clarify at the top of the RM how the decision was made, or at least change the result to no consensus. Thanks. —Michael Z. 20:02, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Inappropriate closure messageYou closed discussion in Talk:Quantum supremacy § Requested move 3 January 2023 stating that there was
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* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC) Houghton HallAfter Talk:Houghton Hall, Yorkshire#Requested move 21 January 2022 and User talk:Paine Ellsworth/Archive 22#Houghton Hall there was a RFC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/Archive 25#Sussex and Yorkshire disambiguators where there was quite a clear consensus to to use the longer forms so could you please modify the close to move back to Houghton Hall, East Riding of Yorkshire please, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Article categories in redirects?Hey, P.I.E.. Do we really put a bunch of mainspace article categories within redirects, like is done Here? Please advise me, oh wise one. Cheers!
MonkeypoxHi, thanks for your help with the template. It's been an age since I last added one. Best regards, Graham.Graham Beards (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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* Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC) Link redirects to WD?I noticed your note at Template:R with Wikidata item/doc. I'm not sure this actually still true; I seem to be able to do this. Can you confirm this? — Qwerfjkltalk 21:50, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
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Sent by Baffle gab1978 using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC) Move requestHello @Paine Ellsworth I have created Lag Jaa Gale (TV series) which I want to be moved to Lag Ja Gale without leaving a redirect. I'm creator and I assume it's totally Uncontroversial requests. If you could assist me with the page move or guide me with the relevant venue to ask for assistance. Thanks for your consideration. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 14:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Redirect with commas and ampersandPE. How do I create a long redirect that has commas and an ampersand? Cement, Tolenas & Tidewater Railroad Company truncates after the first comma. Teach me, don't launch it. Cheers!
Talk:Gun laws in WashingtonJust wanted to quickly explain my edit at Talk:Gun laws in Washington. It really is a dab page, not a SIA, so I converted it right before I also updated the talk page. Someone reverted the main page without also reverting the talk page, so that's how it wound up like that. Not planning to go back to it, so I do sincerely appreciate the clean up there. Station1 (talk) 04:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC) Good template good pacementThis is a to-the-point addition :-) Referring to our earlier discussion in this area (when IMO a similar template not being useful in /doc area), it follows that this is a useful placement. Adding the number of transclusions in taht template might be helpful too (motivating the protection for Talkpage visitors). DePiep (talk) 07:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
PostnominalsThanks for adding MCIfA to the list ... but it has just been removed from the lead of Chloe Duckworth (can't get umlaut on phone) with edit comment saying that Memberships aren't listed, only Fellowships (CIfA doesn't have fellowships). So should we not have added it to the template - my bad? I'm not a postnoms geek: please advise. Thanks. PamD 12:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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- The Editing team will finish adding new features to the Talk pages project and deploy it.
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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).
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- Following a request for comment, F10 (useless non-media files) has been deprecated.
- Following a request for comment, the Portal CSD criteria (P1 (portal subject to CSD as an article) and P2 (underpopulated portal)) have been deprecated.
- A request for comment is open to discuss making the closing instructions for the requested moves process a guideline.
- The results of the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey have been posted.
- Remedy 11 ("Request for Comment") of the Conduct in deletion-related editing case has been rescinded.
- The proposed decision for the Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case is expected 7 March 2023.
- A case related to the Holocaust in Poland is expected to be opened soon.
- The 2023 appointees for the Ombuds commission are AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, JJMC89, MdsShakil, Minorax and Renvoy as regular members and Zabe as advisory members.
- Following the 2023 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Mykola7, Superpes15, and Xaosflux.
- The Terms of Use update cycle has started, which includes a
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Thanks for the warm welcome
@Paine Ellsworth thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. This is much appreciated. In a nutshell, my personal mission is to support Wikipedia to benefit from emerging infrastructures to cite open source software by persistent identfiers, such as Digital Object Identifiers (DOI). I understand that all modifications to templates (like adding another optional attribute) are consensus-based and take time. Could you maybe advise (-> RTFM / FAQ) how long such iterations usually take (from a request for improvement to implementation) [weeks, months, longer] ? This is probably a very naive newbie question... PIXEL2021 (talk) 13:28, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- It's a pleasure, PIXEL2021! Yes, sometimes there is little or no opposition to new parameters, and sometimes it takes longer. Probably helps to be as detailed as you can be, and in this case it helps if you know how to edit templates using [wikimarkup]. That seems to be what the editor wants who turned down the proposal at Template talk:Infobox organization. That's just temporary until a viable sandbox version is made. Then the request can be reopened and revisited. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 20:29, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
- To editor PIXEL2021: have placed a new parameter,
|ror_id=
in the [sandbox] and [testcases] of {{Infobox organization}}. Wasn't exactly sure where to put it, so it's placed after "affiliations" and before "budget". Is that a good placement? or can you think of a better place for the parameter to go? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 01:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)- @Paine Ellsworth: Thank you for demonstrating how the sandbox environment ist used! The placement looks very good to me. So by analogy, I should/could do the same for a new optional DOI parameter for Template:Infobox software/doc via the Template:Infobox software/sandbox, correct ? PIXEL2021 (talk) 12:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Again, it's a pleasure! Yes, in fact it's almost always a good idea to test edits in the sandbox of a template before "going live". Goes especially for templates that are high-use or high-risk. High-use means the template is used on 2,000 – 100,000 pages, and high-risk are those used on more than 100,000 pages. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 18:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- To editor PIXEL2021: went ahead and implemented the new ROR parameter in the ibox template. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 06:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Paine Ellsworth: Awesome, thank you so much for pushing this ! Will update the ROR for Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) and similiar organisations ASAP. However, I tried to follow the procedure you laid out for the ROR parameter in Template:Infobox organization for Template:Infobox software/sandbox first and then in Template:Infobox software/testcases for the parameters ROR and DOI. Both make sense as a software can have its own unique DOI while also being associated with an organisation / ROR ID (e.g. OSGeo). For some reason (which is currently beyond my newbee skills), publishing these changes in the sandbox "do not show" (label|data 27 and label|data 28). The changes are recorded in the revisions of both sandbox and testcases. Can you please advise how to fix this ? PIXEL2021 (talk) 09:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Again, it's my pleasure and glad to be of help, PIXEL2021! Just fyi, you don't have to ping me here on my talk page where notification is automatic when you post here. We should probably slow down a little for now, because if you've been following your edit request, you know that it's been opposed with a suggestion to use WP:Authority control instead. Discussion is ongoing. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 19:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Paine Ellsworth: Awesome, thank you so much for pushing this ! Will update the ROR for Open Source Geospatial Foundation (OSGeo) and similiar organisations ASAP. However, I tried to follow the procedure you laid out for the ROR parameter in Template:Infobox organization for Template:Infobox software/sandbox first and then in Template:Infobox software/testcases for the parameters ROR and DOI. Both make sense as a software can have its own unique DOI while also being associated with an organisation / ROR ID (e.g. OSGeo). For some reason (which is currently beyond my newbee skills), publishing these changes in the sandbox "do not show" (label|data 27 and label|data 28). The changes are recorded in the revisions of both sandbox and testcases. Can you please advise how to fix this ? PIXEL2021 (talk) 09:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Paine Ellsworth: Thank you for demonstrating how the sandbox environment ist used! The placement looks very good to me. So by analogy, I should/could do the same for a new optional DOI parameter for Template:Infobox software/doc via the Template:Infobox software/sandbox, correct ? PIXEL2021 (talk) 12:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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