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A School Named after Victoria Soto
As Tony the Marine just noted, a school will be named after Victoria Soto in Stratford, Connecticut. The Stratford Town Council vote occurred today (Monday, January 14).
In just a few hours, the news traveled all over the United States. Here are just a few of the reports from NBC News [1], ABC News [2], MSNBC [3], CBS New York [4], the Huffington Post [5], USA Today [6],the Stamford Advocate [7] the Hartford Courant [8], the Global Post [9], and the Connecticut Post [10].
They named a SCHOOL after her, to nationwide press coverage. Does anyone still wish to argue about the notability of this woman? Nelsondenis248 (talk) 08:01, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- For consistency's sake, would any of you please create Anne Marie Murphy? I'm still puzzled how people can so vehemently defend the existence of this article while not caring one bit about other heroes of this tragedy. --Conti|✉ 10:42, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Has there been coverage of Ms. Murphy comparable to what has been given to Ms. Soto? If so, then she definitely warrants an article. It is indisputable that Victoria Soto has emerged almost as a symbol of the tragedy. Coretheapple (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, now that you mention it, there has been plenty of coverage for the other adults who were killed - Principal Dawn Hochsprung, School Psychologist Mary Sherlach, Teacher Anne Marie Murphy, Substitute teacher Lauren Rousseau and Therapist Rachel D'Avino - to possibly have standalone articles as well. In addition to many reliable sources that are about these women and their careers, I seem to remember, the last time I looked, that many of them are having scholarships named after them....there might even be more ongoing concerns named for them by now. Shearonink (talk) 19:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: Dawn Hochsprung will need to be worked at the redirect someone created already on Dec 14. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: Mary Sherlach will need to be worked at the redirect someone created already on Dec 14. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: Lauren Rousseau will need to be worked at the redirect someone created already on Dec 15. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:56, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Note: work on Rachel D'Avino here: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rachel D'Avino. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, now that you mention it, there has been plenty of coverage for the other adults who were killed - Principal Dawn Hochsprung, School Psychologist Mary Sherlach, Teacher Anne Marie Murphy, Substitute teacher Lauren Rousseau and Therapist Rachel D'Avino - to possibly have standalone articles as well. In addition to many reliable sources that are about these women and their careers, I seem to remember, the last time I looked, that many of them are having scholarships named after them....there might even be more ongoing concerns named for them by now. Shearonink (talk) 19:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Doing... Sure, give me reliable sources and I will create their articles. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:37, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Has there been coverage of Ms. Murphy comparable to what has been given to Ms. Soto? If so, then she definitely warrants an article. It is indisputable that Victoria Soto has emerged almost as a symbol of the tragedy. Coretheapple (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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Partly Done. Develop the article here: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Anne Marie Murphy (teacher). That way everyone can contribute to it before submitting it so that it doesn't go through an AfD process. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:50, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment -Please, let's stay focused and limit the discussion in this "Talk page" to the Victoria Leigh Soto article. This is not the forum to discuss the creation of other articles. I believe that the proper forum to request the creation of other articles, be they related or not, would be Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biography. Thank you, Tony the Marine (talk) 22:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I sympathize with Conti's frustation above ("For consistency's sake...") and Shearonink's reaction with his list of the other SHES adult shooting victims that have also received widespread news coverage, and I am asking myself, Could it be that, as a precendent-setter, -this- article is the one taking on all the blows for the future articles about the other SHES victims? Call me an analysis freak, an Original Researcher or what have you, but this seems like a fairly reasonable explanation for many of the objections I have seen so far to keeping this article despite the overwhelming evidence to the fact that, IMO anyway, she has all the characteristics of being notable. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.
- I throw my two cents in here First I don't oppose this article but may someone explain me where is the Benchmark of notability? Just for comparison Jessica "redfield" Ghawi a Victim of the Aurora Theater Shooting was also all over the news more then any other Victim of that Tragedy the AT&T center renamed their press box to honor her [1] the Jessica Redfield Foundation has been founded The Metro state has Honored her a Posthumus Bachelor Degree... etc but yet her Article was AFD'ed and thrown out I don't see that a renaming of a School add's no more weight to the notability of Ms.Soto also she is only notable by a Single incident (WP:BLP?) so someone might explain what makes her special in regard of the other Victims at all? thanks Fox2k11 (talk) 22:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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- Hum..., I really don't know. Maybe it is because she was shot after she "threw herself in front of her first grade students" in an attempt to protect them? Maybe, it is because she made the ulitimate sacrifice of giving her life so that others may live? Maybe, because had she been a soldier in any country, she would have been awarded the highest decoration given. Maybe because people such as Lucian Adams, Beauford T. Anderson, Richard B. Anderson, Sylvester Antolak, Richard N. Antrim, and Thomas E. Atkins were also victims of a single event and are notable? Maybe because a person such as Rosa Parks became notable as a victim of a single event when she sat in the front of a bus? I don't know. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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- I don't get your Point (what has rosa parks to do with a Victim of a shooting?) also there are other Victims of that Tragedy who tried to save them and ultimately sacrificed their life's who are their articles?? but I won't further on this 'cuz It seems you took my posting some sort of personal?! And i was just asking some questions for understanding neither do i want an argue on this! Fox2k11 (talk) 02:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
- No, I really didn't take it personally. I guess that, depending of the circumstances, the actions of some people more notable then others, I don't know. Of course Rosa Parks has nothing to do with the shooting. You just happened to mention that Soto was only notable by a single incident and I gave you an example of someone who became notable by a single incident, that's all. It is stated above that whoever wants to create an article for any of the other victims are more then welcomed to do so. There is no argument at all, you are an editor whom seems to be a very pleasant person to me. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't get your Point (what has rosa parks to do with a Victim of a shooting?) also there are other Victims of that Tragedy who tried to save them and ultimately sacrificed their life's who are their articles?? but I won't further on this 'cuz It seems you took my posting some sort of personal?! And i was just asking some questions for understanding neither do i want an argue on this! Fox2k11 (talk) 02:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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- ok =) I only mentioned it because of Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#People_notable_for_only_one_event which was more then once mentioned on the talk page of the Aurora Shooting but nevermind All due respect to Ms.Soto and the other Victims! Fox2k11 (talk) 03:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
- I added some text and sources to Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Rachel_D'Avino as a start but when it becomes to write Articles I'm still a lousy novice! Fox2k11 (talk) 03:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
- ok =) I only mentioned it because of Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#People_notable_for_only_one_event which was more then once mentioned on the talk page of the Aurora Shooting but nevermind All due respect to Ms.Soto and the other Victims! Fox2k11 (talk) 03:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Derek Jeter phone call
User:WWGB asks "why is a single phone call notable?" My answer to that question is quite simple. Derek Jeter is considered, by those who follow the game, to be amongst the greatest baseball players. He is also considered a future candidate for the Baseball Hall of Fame which in itself makes him notable (he has a Wiki article). Not only is he a member of the New York Yankees, he is also the captain of the organization. Of course single phone calls are not notable, but the fact that Jeter is notable and that his phone call, expressing his condolences, was considered important enough to be covered by the national media, speaks for itself. That is why it is included in the article. That is my opinion. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- That the phone call was considered "important" by the national media probably says a whole lot about said media. They simply exploit even the tiniest detail of tragedies like this, because it gets them viewers (and clicks). We shouldn't follow that example and return to being an encyclopedia. --Conti|✉ 20:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. It could also have been a PR publicity stunt by the Yankees. He could have presented himself in the funeral. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- It could have been a genuine action of compassion, too, and it's entirely possible that he did not want anyone to know this. Either way, it's not really a noteworthy event, all things considered. At best, it's a private phone call that has no business being in an encyclopedia, at worst it's a PR stunt.. which has no business being in an encyclopedia, either. --Conti|✉ 20:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. It could also have been a PR publicity stunt by the Yankees. He could have presented himself in the funeral. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Jillian Soto
Does anyone think it might, at some point, become appropriate to create a page for Jillian Soto and/or the photograph taken of her? It has been reproduced around the world, and seems to have become the defining symbol of the event. I'm thinking of the precedents we have with Mary Ann Vecchio and Phan Thi Kim Phuc? Is there a policy for notable photographs or people famous because they were in a famous photograph?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 01:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
- I Presume you mean This Photo? frankly Never have seen an Article about a Photo but go ahead and create it maybe this is a Creative precedent!? --Fox2k11 (talk) 02:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Should we merge this article with Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting?
Neither article is extremely long and Soto's only claim to fame was that she gave her life to save six schoolchildren, a WP:ONEEVENT thing (i.e. if she did not die in the shooting or was not at school that day, we would not have an article on her because we would not know her at all). The only sections that need to be added to the school shooting article are "Funeral" and "Legacy." The paragraph in "Death" already exists in the "Shootings" section and no one really cares about her early life being that it has nothing to do with her notability (would it have mattered if she never went to college, was born in another country and immigrated here at a young age, or spend her childhood in a homeless shelter?). The "See Also" is also irrelevant for the same reason (would it have mattered if she was black, Asian, Egyptian, Colombian, or an alien from another planet?). Being nominated for the Presidential Citizens Medal alone is not enough for claim notability since we have scores of other people who have won that award and we do not have articles on them. This is why I think it is best to merge this article with the shooting article and I would have done that boldy had it not been for the recent AfD that ended in No Consensus. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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- weak oppose This is arguably covered by WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL, but the school namings, endowment, and award by the president together make it not so clear cut. The article will likely remain a stub, but I do not see harm in it being so. Merging the applicable "Legacy" content into the main article would be WP:UNDUE there imo. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Merge does not meet WP:GNG by herself. WP:BIO1E and WP:VICTIM also apply and give no reason for this article. WP:PSEUDO makes it clear that this article sould be merged. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Note: WP:BLP1E does not apply as this woman is dead, but says about the same thing as WP:BIO1E which applies to bios of the living and the departed. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Keep as is They have articles for teacher victims of Columbine. She is the more notable of the Sandy Hook victims. - Dpm12 15 February 2013 12:32 (PDT)
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