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Category request for deletion
I'm sure you could argue there's something different between the two but anyways, I don't understand how this gets it's full category and the dead people category can only have subcategories. Cinefan Cinefan (talk) 03:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Cinefan Cinefan: This category is more of a maintenance category, in a class separate from almost all other content categories: it ensures that articles in this category get warning messages whenever someone tries to edit them, to remind them of WP:BLP policy. And it allows monitoring of changes that may violate BLP. Granted, it doesn't fit nicely withinthe concept of defining category, as people are not commonly referred to as "a living actor/artist/politician, etc.", but creating subcategories like "living people born in 19XX or "living Spanish actresses" is even more arbitrary, creates more effort to maintain, and dilutes or hinders the purpose of the category, which is to monitor changes to BLPs. Please read the explanatory text at Category:Living people and the previous discussions on this Talk page. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Scope of this category, redux
Does the scope of this category extend to e.g. music bands (which on the one hand are made up of living people, and which on the other hand are not biographies of those living people, but rather, err, a band.) I estimate several thousand band articles are in the category. I'm not finding that a very useful thing, since I'd like living people to equal 'a biography of a living person' and to exclude 'something a person is involved in'. I'd either like cover for removing the category; or else to be dissuaded from removing them. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Not really, as this a subcategory of Category:People, which is for individual humans, but all articles must still follow WP:BLP policy, regardless of subject or which categories they're in. Living band members should be in this category if they have their own article, as should redirects of living members who may or may not satisfy notability criteria, per Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. Talk pages of band articles with living members, can be tagged with {{BLP}}. As the article topic and scope drifts further away from living people, the necessity to include {{BLP}} lessens: Democratic Party (United States) covers some living people, some of whom may be controversial, while Canada is a broad topic, and no participants of the American Civil War are still living, but BLP policy still applies to any mention of living people (politicians, historians, etc.) in said articles. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Having said all that, I'm sure everyone here will agree: "Living People" is one dang big category. I expected to fill up my phone's RAM trying to view it. I suppose it's just as well it's not actually laid out that way—but it was an exciting prospect. – AndyFielding (talk) 13:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
Category order
Is there any consensus on where to place this category on an article, ie. should it always precede birth year? Thanks, --Mondo Beer (talk) 18:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
last decade vs. last ten years
This category currently offers the following message:
I imagine the intention of this message is to say that if Person X become 90 years of age during 2021 then the period of no new documentation covers 2011-2021. And that if Person Y become 90 years of age in 2029, the period intended is 2019-2029.
But the phrasing used leads to another outcome. The current decade is the 2020s and the last one is the 2010s. This is true both today in 2021 and in eight years time in 2029. So if the last document is dated 2012 it will prevent transfer into Category:Possibly living people for both person X and Y, even though 2012 is seventeen years before person Y's 90th birthday.
The easy solution I suggest is:
- change "for whom there has been no new documentation in the last decade"
to
- "for whom there has been no new documentation in the last ten years"
PS. I couldn't understand if it was sourced from a policy (or other authoritative discussion) so I am bringing up this matter here. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)