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Orphan page?
Hi. Q. Re your edit. Is this an "orhan" page?HistoricReminder (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
@User:HistoricReminder The article has been proposed for deletion due to lack of notability for WP:GEOLAND; please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything else that needs clarification. Ppt91 (talk) 03:55, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Not sure if it is that you already decided. But, I from my part, will explain. I originally came up with the idea upon seeing the red link in an existing page. I don't see the reasons for deleting. It's written about in [1] books and Updated in news portals in that country. Regards.HistoricReminder (talk) 04:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- @HistoricReminder Thanks for providing the update. The goal is to improve the article, so please feel free to continue working on the content and reliable sources. However, please keep in mind that the article needs to satisfy WP:GEOLAND notability criteria before it can be reviewed. That means that even if you provide reliable sources, they need to support content which goes "beyond statistics and coordinates" to meet notability requirements. As of now, the article is not sufficient to stand on its own. Good luck! Ppt91 (talk) 04:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe it needs to be a stub. Please see this https://doi.org/10.1016/S0031-0182(03)00276-1 In any case, Thanks for your contributions.HistoricReminder (talk) 05:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi I see you tagged this article at NPP for lack of sources and doubtful notability. The subject passes WP:NPOL because they were a member of a state legislature in a federal country, and two sources were sufficient to verify this. I’ve removed the tags and passed the article as patrolled. All the best Mccapra (talk) 07:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Mccapra! Thanks, good catch and my oversight. I was thrown off by the government website being one of the sources and did not realize WP:NPOL in fact applied here until you pointed it out. Ppt91 (talk) 18:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Speedy deletion declined: Ashish Aviral
Hello Ppt91. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ashish Aviral, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio giuliano 09:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Salvio giuliano! Thank you. I was on the fence whether to go ahead with A7 or PROD and I appreciate your taking the time to explain your decision. Either way, the article most definitely needs a lot of work to maintain notability! Ppt91 (talk) 18:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- I fully agree with you and, to be fair, I'm not entirely sure he is notable enough to qualify for inclusion, but by design it's relatively easy to pass A7, because speedy deletion is reserved for the most obvious cases. For dubious cases such as this one, it's always best to PROD or send to AfD directly. Cheers. Salvio giuliano 20:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your edits, question
Hello!
How can I tell if a source is reliable? JohnDVandevert (talk) 12:26, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- @JohnDVandevert Thanks for your message. You should follow rules outlined in WP:RELY and WP:VERIFY as it comes to sources. If you have doubts whether your source is reliable, you can always post in the article's talk page to seek other opinions. Also, I would recommend this list of frequently discussed sources and their level of reliability: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions! Ppt91 (talk) 21:07, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Mayor Quimby
I'm not sure how to add a source. I just watched the Addams Family episode and noticed it... Choggcom (talk) 22:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Can you add this as the source?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1buyF-2LjOc&feature=youtu.be Choggcom (talk) 23:02, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
At 2m54s Choggcom (talk) 23:02, 11 February 2023 (UTC) Choggcom (talk) 09:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Choggcom Thanks for your message; generally, YouTube is not considered a reliable source (per WP:RSPYT), except for when you are referencing content from major vetted channels that hold copyrights for that content. Given your link is to an original Adams Family video footage uploaded by MGM, a verified channel that appears to be the current copyrights holder for the movie, then it is likely it would be okay to use it is primary source to a character's quote etc. However, I would urge you to exercise caution and follow the guidelines for WP:VIDEOLINK and WP:YOUTUBE in regard to citing videos as sources and including them as external links. For more on how to cite properly, see WP:REFSTART. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions. Ppt91 (talk) 18:02, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Alaska Innocence Project
I believe you made a mistake. The editor I reverted has made similar edits to other articles and the edit I reverted was vandalism. Cheers, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 21:21, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
- @47.227.95.73 Hi! This was the edit I wanted to revert; if it double crossed, then it was by accident. As long as the vandalized edit is gone, then it's all good. Thank you for alerting me to it. Ppt91 (talk) 21:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
Barbara Stanley (psychologist) is a lovely page. Well done.
BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 02:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Ways to improve Joan Wadleigh Curran
Hello, Ppt91,
Thank you for creating Joan Wadleigh Curran.
I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:
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Bruxton (talk) 22:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton thanks! That and the categories still need to be added (as I now realize), which I hope to address fairly soon. Ppt91 (talk) 22:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC) Ppt91 (talk) 22:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case: Please trim your statement
Hi, Ppt91. I'm an arbitration clerk, which means I help manage and administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the committee). Thank you for making a statement in an arbitration request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case. However, we ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Your statement significantly exceeds this limit. Please reduce the length of your statement when you are next online. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence; in any event, concise, factual statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the arbitrators.
Requests for extensions of the word limit may be made either in your statement or by email to the Committee through this link or arbcom-enwikimedia.org if email is not available through your account.
For the Arbitration Committee, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- @ToBeFree Thank you for your message and for allowing me to comment on what I see as a topical and very important case. Please know it is duly noted. I'll amend the responses as soon as possible to fit within the limit. Ppt91 (talk) 18:41, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- No worries, take your time, and thank you.
~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- @ToBeFree Done. According my text editor, it all should now fit within 500 words (including my second reply). Ppt91 (talk) 18:55, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Looks good to me too! Thanks again! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- No worries, take your time, and thank you.
Retaliatory AfDs
Thanks for your recent support at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ottopasuuna. On the matter of Officialangrydub's logic, check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No More Heroes (record label) where they incomprehensibly accused someone else of a retaliatory AfD with no evidence whatsoever. That may also be when they developed a dislike for me. They're a relative newbie and perhaps a stern talking-to is in order, but the fractured logic on display in all their recent AfD actions indicates many basic misunderstandings of how things work around here. It looks like you're much more knowledgeable than me about investigation/arbitration and the like, so I'll defer to you. Thanks again. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Doomsdayer520! Thanks for your note. I am honestly really happy to be in support of this, especially given the extent and the quality of your contributions. It's always nice to interact with like-minded and comprehensive editors. As for the frivolous AfD, you will see that I have improved the article as part of the deletion process and have requested withdrawal, which given reliability of added sources should be procedural per WP:AFD and WP:DISCUSSAFD.
- This user's behavior is really getting to a point where it's becoming disruptive and if it persists, I think we might need to consider asking an admin to step in; however, I am hoping that it will be resolved, at least as far as this meritless and retaliatory AfD goes. I think that some people just can't wrap their heads around the idea of consensus and get really upset if a person they like doesn't have a page. It's unfortunate, because I am sure they could contribute well if they had just taken a step back and realized that truly all that other editors ask for is to simply follow WP:POLICY.
- Also, and this fully in personal capacity and unrelated to the case, your quote of "I was once mentioned in a city newspaper" made me laugh so hard that I kind of just want to frame it and hang it on the wall. Gold. Ppt91 (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- The newspaper thing really did happen, and I (under my given name) was mentioned in a reliable source!!! But it was not significant coverage so I am not notable no matter how important that newspaper is. I have used this story several times in AfD discussions when someone can't see the distinction between a brief mention and actual coverage. And speaking of hanging it on the wall, I was pestered for months by a small business that offered to cut out the newspaper article and turn it into a plaque. Thanks again. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you and my apologies
Although I still strongly disagree with the consensus and the reasoning used to come to the conclusion of deletion, I appreciate your neutral and explanatory response which addressed the 'issues' at hand. I try to familiarize myself with the policies of Wikipedia and to my perception that looked like a clear. However, I never stumbled upon the WP:Point policy prior to your response, I do see I made a mistake trying to 'prove a point'. I can see clearly that I violated that policy and I do not in any way mean to disrupt or cause any harm to the Wikipedia community. I have a serious question though, how would one go about constructively creating a discussion in regards to observed encyclopedic bias?
In regards to the sources being questioned, I just still can't fathom how one of the most influential music companies isn't useful for establish notability. I didn't mean to disrespect any user and if I came off that way I completely apologize to everyone, I feel like my points were completely overlooked and that I was being bombarded by people trying to discredit something that has impacted many lives. I also don't think it's fair to say that a lack of mission statement automatically negates journalistic integrity or to automatically assume a lack of editorial oversight from such a large company. I can provide various examples of other sources that aren't held to that same level of scrutiny. It feels, whether intentional or not, that music artists and music related brands, more specifically ones in the Hip Hop genre, are held to a much higher level of scrutiny than anything other subject. I don't mean to overwhelm you with my personal feelings and conclusions, so I will leave it at this but any further clarification and constructive respectful responses would be very much appreciated as I hope to be a long lasting, frequent and contributor to Wikipedia. Officialangrydub (talk) 19:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Officialangrydub Thanks for reaching out here. There is no need to apologize to me; I did not take offense, though I certainly found your posts and general conduct toward other editors concerning. And I do believe the AfD should be withdrawn given improvements—which should be a formality really—and that it still came off as retaliatory (perhas Doomsdayer520 is the one deserving an apology here).
- As for the rest of your message, I am not quite sure there was any targeted attack on your sources specifically. I was the original reviewer of the page and I even left you a pretty lengthy note regarding several issues, suggesting it might be nominated for deletion if these issues were not addressed. Another editor, likely noticing no improvements had been made, requested PROD which I supported. Because that was contested without edits, the next logical step was AfD. The entire process is designed so that editors have sufficient time to address outstanding issues, including during AfD nomination, and if it gets to a point where the article is no longer salvageable, deleting the article is a responsible thing to do. Note that the issues originally raised have not changed and more editors simply concurred with what was originally said.
- Regarding the source, as a general rule of thumb, if you need to work really hard to convince multiple independent editors that the source is in fact reliable and verifiable, it is most likely not. No sources are perfect and there is obviously room for error, but WP:RELY criteria and guidelines are quite clear as it comes to establishing notability.
I also don't think it's fair to say that a lack of mission statement automatically negates journalistic integrity or to automatically assume a lack of editorial oversight from such a large company.
I don't think this is a very productive approach. The burden of proof WP:BURDEN is on the editor; what you might want to ask instead is: what available information and/or data from that source (website) will ensure that it passes WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:SPONSORED? In each case, as you see, the possible lack of editorial oversight is a major concern. It might make more sense to wait and see if the subject becomes notable in the near future and is covered by, say, Billboard and another major publication in a way that clearly satisfies one of the WP:SINGER criteria.I can provide various examples of other sources that aren't held to that same level of scrutiny.
Again, this won't help verify the source or make claims any more believable. You should feel free to scrutinize all sources you encounter and then apply the same level of scrutiny to your own contributions. At the same time, keep in mind that sources used to reference or support additional claims in articles once notability has been established would often not stand on their own, eg. I can use the website of a well-known commercial gallery to reasonably verify the date or name of an artwork by its subject, but I could not use it just to establish their notability.- Finally, I would recommend assuming good faith, especially when you are dealing with multiple editors with some degree of experience (and especially reviewers) whose responsibility it is to ensure quality content. I hope this clarifies things. Ppt91 (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Dhayanidhi edit
Hi here's Dhaya's birth certificate. His mom's name is Kanthi. Not Gandhi. Please correct that as my edit was removed i think. I don't know how to. I'm new. https://drive.google.com/file/d/15GcG-fpyC0dWkZMosV4o9RScC-qlp5Y-/view?usp=drivesdk Rishibrahma (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Rishibrahma. Thanks for your message. Unfortunately, we cannot include links to Google Drive as a reliable source WP:RELY. I would highly recommend these links for some help with getting started on Wikipedia: WP:HI and WP:1ST. They will explain editing process in detail and also will show you how to cite sources correctly and which sources are considered reliable. I hope this helps. Please feel free to let me know if you have other questions! Ppt91 (talk) 17:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Can you please download and add a jpg image of the birth certificate Rishibrahma (talk) 17:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15GcG-fpyC0dWkZMosV4o9RScC-qlp5Y-/view?usp=drivesdk
Maybe as it's Sunday the birth certificate portal is not working on my phone Rishibrahma (talk) 17:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Rishibrahma As mentioned above, you're not allowed to use private links for sources and you should not be asking other editors to open them. Please refer to WP:HELPDESK if you have any more questions. Ppt91 (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for bothering you. Got another news reference.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/madurai/nothing-political-says-alagiri-after-udhayanidhi-stalins-meet/articleshow/97044649.cms Rishibrahma (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you Rishibrahma (talk) 18:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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February 2023
Regarding this edit, please be aware that lack of an edit summary isn't an appropriate reason to revert an edit. Please review both MOS:GEOCOMMA and WP:REVERT ("Do not revert an otherwise good edit solely because an editor used a poor edit summary"). Grandpallama (talk) 22:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Grandpallama Thank you for pointing it out; I never mean to rush pending changes, nor revert them unless there is a good reason, and this was clearly an oversight. Noted and I appreciate your taking the time to let me know. Ppt91talk 22:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I have sent you a note about a page you started
Hello, Ppt91. Thank you for your work on Biennale of Spatial Forms in Elbląg. User:Netherzone, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
Thank you for creating this article on a notable historic exhibition series. There are additional reliable and academic sources available via The Wikipedia Library. I started a "Further reading" section and placed one of the articles there.
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Netherzone (talk) 16:47, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Netherzone! Thank you! I am glad to see a fellow NPP who is in WP:VISUALARTS and appreciate the input. I wanted to get this one as soon as possible out so I could link it to another page, which is why it only has like two books and an article, but it deserves more coverage, ideally at least half of its counterpart in pl-wiki (which I actually think some serious cleanup, but that's a different story). Also, would love to potentially collaborate on any related topic, including women artists bios; Franciszka Themerson is one I've been wanting to tackle for a while now... Let me know if you'd be interested. Thanks again. Ppt91talk 17:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Good to meet you! It was interesting to learn about this Biennale, I think it is important to cover historical exhibition projects like this. And, yes, I'm up for collaborating on visual arts projects. I'll have a deep look at the Franciszka Themerson - on first glance, the biography section needs citations, as do the exhibitions. I also think the exhibits should be edited down to the most important ones, then contextualized in prose-form. Dates are not really needed except maybe the year. For example, the Pompidou Center, Whitechapel Gallery, Muzeum Sztuki, Muzeum Narodowe, Tate Britain, ICA, London are all really important, but they get lost in the long list of gallery shows. Maybe a couple sentences at the beginning of the section that she started showing in the 1950s and shown consistently throughout the decades. It's fascinating to learn about her work, thanks for creating the article. I wouldn't mind some help with this short article on the Sonsbeek exhibit series - it was groundbreaking for including early earthworks/land art. It's just a start and I've been meaning to get back to it to expand it. Netherzone (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Netherzone Thanks! I actually haven't created that one--just really like her work and she's quite under-researched. There was a show in London recently and I know her foundation is working hard to make more happen. It would be great to add to her notability. As for your suggestions for the article, I agree with all points and think they're a great place to start with to improve the page.
- And I'd be very happy to jump in to help some with Sonsbeek page. Source-wise, it looks like there is already enough to work with, so I imagine a lot of it would be expanding the content. Did you have any specific ideas for sections? I think it'd make sense to add some stuff from "Ortiz Monasterio R. Sonsbeek Beyond the Limits. C Magazine. 2017;(133):72"(unless you had already looked at that and not found it that useful?) and definitely use Boettger, Suzaan. Earthworks: Art and the Landscape of the Sixties. United Kingdom: University of California Press, 2002. for the part about Smithson (if you'd like, I can write a concise paragraph to include on Smithson referencing a chapter from her book either today or tomorrow). Also, I was unaware until recently that apparently there had been a major curatorial conflict, which I think might be a good idea to include for recent events. Let me know your thoughts! Ppt91talk 18:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for these suggestions on the Sonsbeek article, I agree with everything you mention, including the curatorial conflict. Please jump in when you find the time. I will do some work on the Themerson article starting with the exhibition section. Netherzone (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Netherzone Sounds like a plan. Will ping you when ready with the Smithson part, likely sometime later today/tomorrow. :) Ppt91talk 19:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- I've cleaned up the Exhibitions section on the Themerson article, renaming the section Selected exhibitions. It now includes only the most prestigious shows, and I've added a number of citations for verification (they are easy to find). I think some of these sources can be used again to verify content in the Biography section as well.
- While working on it, I was reminded of the fact that other women artists who worked collaboratively with their husbands are not always so fortunate as to have their own article, for example, Emilia Kabakov who worked extensively with her husband for years. They are widely known as Ilya and Emilia Kabakov. She is completely overshadowed on Wikipedia by Ilya Kabakov, and is barely mentioned in his article, and is mentioned only once in the article List of art installations by Ilya Kabakov (1983-2000). Maybe this is another project that we could collaborate on? Netherzone (talk) 20:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Netherzone Nice, thank you very much! As for the Kabakov page, I was blissfully unaware of that mess. I saw few citations and my instinct was to re-rate it to C at first, which I did, but then something told me I should double check the sources. I just ran copyvio and this is what I found. I think I removed all of it, though if you could re-run, I'd appreciate it. The range for revdel is literally like 90% of the history, and that was just one of three sources. That's nuts.
- That probably explains why she's mentioned 5 (!) times in the entire article. It looks like it was mostly written by one person more than 15 years ago and then more copyvios added and removed over that period. Honestly, I feel like the page should be moved to "Ilya and Emilia Kabakov," but there might be pushback due to his earlier work. It probably might be easier to just do a page of her own at this point and add any appropriate information in Ilya Kabakov lead and then expand. That would also mean we wouldn't need to seek consensus on move, because it is factual information that's been missing and warrants inclusion. Definitely on board. Let me get through Sonsbeek first and I'll at the very least make a draft/stub of Emilia Kabakov, which should not take me long. Ppt91talk 22:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Great research on this, and I'm glad you discovered the COPYVIO. I agree that it may be easier for us to simply start an article on her then start a requested move. I can start a stub on her and we can work on it at our leisure. Netherzone (talk) 22:22, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Stub article started on Emilia Kabakov. Netherzone (talk) 22:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Great research on this, and I'm glad you discovered the COPYVIO. I agree that it may be easier for us to simply start an article on her then start a requested move. I can start a stub on her and we can work on it at our leisure. Netherzone (talk) 22:22, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Netherzone Sounds like a plan. Will ping you when ready with the Smithson part, likely sometime later today/tomorrow. :) Ppt91talk 19:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for these suggestions on the Sonsbeek article, I agree with everything you mention, including the curatorial conflict. Please jump in when you find the time. I will do some work on the Themerson article starting with the exhibition section. Netherzone (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Good to meet you! It was interesting to learn about this Biennale, I think it is important to cover historical exhibition projects like this. And, yes, I'm up for collaborating on visual arts projects. I'll have a deep look at the Franciszka Themerson - on first glance, the biography section needs citations, as do the exhibitions. I also think the exhibits should be edited down to the most important ones, then contextualized in prose-form. Dates are not really needed except maybe the year. For example, the Pompidou Center, Whitechapel Gallery, Muzeum Sztuki, Muzeum Narodowe, Tate Britain, ICA, London are all really important, but they get lost in the long list of gallery shows. Maybe a couple sentences at the beginning of the section that she started showing in the 1950s and shown consistently throughout the decades. It's fascinating to learn about her work, thanks for creating the article. I wouldn't mind some help with this short article on the Sonsbeek exhibit series - it was groundbreaking for including early earthworks/land art. It's just a start and I've been meaning to get back to it to expand it. Netherzone (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Mike Cahill (golfer)
Hello User:Ppt91,
I am Oogglywoogly, the creator of Mike Cahill (golfer). You noted that there are problems on the page and have made a number of tags. I am pretty much done with his page and would like concrete advice on how to improve the page.
The first tag refers to "unclear citation style." Sorry but what do you mean exactly? Most of these citations are from a search engine called newspapers.com - do you want me to "clip" the articles so the reader can see them? The second pertains to length and detail. This, I will admit, may be a legitimate concern as the page is relatively long and other users have noted this. I have skimmed both advisory articles you sent to me. Though I intend to read both of them from start to finish and take notes it would be nice if you could point me to details that are especially relevant to Cahill's page. And with the layout guidelines - sorry but I have no idea what you mean? I feel like I am conforming to all of the other golfer pages on WikiProject Golf.
Any advice would be helpful.
Sincerely,
Oogglywoogly (talk) 04:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Oogglywoogly! Thank you for your message. I have a few prior commitments today, but I'd be happy to follow up on my original feedback as soon as I have a moment (hopefully by tomorrow). Ppt91talk 16:47, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Ppt91,
- Thank you for the quick response. When you have a chance, please respond to my original statement.
- Thanks,
- Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
- @Oogglywoogly Thanks for your patience. Very happy to address theses questions.
The first tag refers to "unclear citation style." Sorry but what do you mean exactly?
It may have been somewhat unclear from the tag itself, though I believe (hope) I had clarified in my original message that the issue was primarily with using the name newspapers.com, which is a paid repository and a database, as source title. While you do mention the name of the actual newspaper in each case, adding newspapers.com on top of it makes citations confusing for the reader (WP:CITESTYLE), especially that in some instances you use the via feature for both Google News as well as newspapers.com (see footnote 107, for instance). There is really no need to include that information at all per WP:SOURCELINKS, though if you do, I'd use the via route. It's a question of formatting and consistency more than anything else, which can understandably become challenging when using such a high number of sources.The second pertains to length and detail.
This is certainly a big issue and I recognize it's something that often comes with the territory when one has a vast knowledge of the subject--which you clearly do. I am not quite sure how this can be best addressed other than significantly cutting down on content to avoid WP:TMI and to stay focused WP:TOPIC. Perhaps reducing the number of sources even more would be another solution? I know you have already cut some of them, but there is still a tremendous amount of detail that might tire even the more seasoned golf enthusiasts.And with the layout guidelines
my comment and the tag related to how the page ia currently organized in terms of the division of content rather than the section layout itself; for example, subsection Professional career includes over 4100 words without a single subsection break. When you look at the table of contents in the article, the sections seem fine, though they do not, in fact, help you navigate the page, since most of the page is concentrated in a single, very long subsection. Per MOS:BODY, sections are meant to "enhance the readability of the article," which is why I had tagged it with a layout issue. Given you want to retain the section titles as they are now, per WP Golf, it seems that drastically reducing word count is probably the most effective (though I realize certainly not the easiest) solution. Finally, I think that images, even if just a few, would be welcome.- I hope I've addressed everything--please do let me know if I left anything out or if you have any other questions. And good luck! Ppt91talk 03:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Ppt91.
- Thanks for the response. I'll check out the relevant rules when I have more time (probably on Friday). For the citations issue, could you provide me an example of a newspapers.com citation (or any related citation) that is done well on Wikipedia? I think that would be very helpful. Likewise, with the length and detail issues (clearly the biggest issues on the page) I'll go over the Wiki rules later in the week.
- Re sections: I actually have used subheadings before with a number of golfers. Usually I change the subheading when they change tours or start playing on a senior tour. But in Cahill's case there is no clear demarcation within his professional career so it's far harder.
- If you could briefly respond that would be great. Again, I'll make to look over the rules in detail later in the week and will get back to you then.
- Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:32, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
- @Oogglywoogly If you'd like to keep the sourcelink i.e. newspapers.com that you can use the format you've already used a few times with the extension via like in "Stone, Peter (20 September 1971). "Its up to our golf selectors". The Age. p. 25. Retrieved 21 January 2021 – via Google News Archive." for instance. Nonetheless, I think it'd be best to follow WP:SOURCELINKS and not include the depository at all, but it's up to you.
- As for the sections, I would think about some aspects of his professional career that you can either summarize or skip altogether. To give an example: just one decade of his career is covered in 5 substantial paragraphs with minute details, including many of his own quotes, which could probably be summarized in 2 paragraphs tops, even if it means focusing on fewer competitions and other events. Also, you could consider adding subsection titles to divide it up into periods. Ppt91talk 19:23, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:32, 28 February 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly