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Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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October 15 | 1 | |
October 23 | 1 | |
October 27 | 1 | |
October 29 | 1 | |
November 2 | 1 | |
November 4 | 1 | |
November 12 | 3 | |
November 13 | 1 | 1 |
November 14 | 1 | |
November 16 | 1 | |
November 17 | 4 | |
November 26 | 1 | |
November 27 | 4 | 1 |
November 28 | 1 | |
December 2 | 1 | |
December 3 | 2 | |
December 4 | 1 | |
December 5 | 2 | 1 |
December 7 | 1 | |
December 8 | 1 | |
December 9 | 1 | |
December 10 | 3 | |
December 11 | 4 | 1 |
December 13 | 1 | |
December 17 | 3 | 2 |
December 19 | 4 | |
December 20 | 1 | |
December 21 | 1 | |
December 22 | 3 | 2 |
December 23 | 5 | 2 |
December 24 | 4 | 2 |
December 25 | 3 | |
December 26 | 3 | 1 |
December 27 | 2 | |
December 28 | 4 | 2 |
December 29 | 2 | 1 |
December 30 | 3 | 3 |
December 31 | 6 | 3 |
January 1 | 8 | 5 |
January 2 | 14 | 9 |
January 3 | 8 | 3 |
January 4 | 7 | 5 |
January 5 | 6 | 5 |
January 6 | 8 | 6 |
January 7 | 12 | 9 |
January 8 | 7 | 3 |
January 9 | 11 | 6 |
January 10 | 8 | 3 |
January 11 | 9 | 6 |
January 12 | 8 | 5 |
January 13 | 7 | 2 |
January 14 | 8 | 1 |
January 15 | 12 | 6 |
January 16 | 1 | |
Total | 217 | 96 |
Last updated 05:29, 16 January 2023 UTC Current time is 05:30, 16 January 2023 UTC [refresh] |
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- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on October 15
Lone Mountain Cemetery
... that Phineas Gage was buried in Lone Mountain Cemetery, dug up, buried there again (this time without his head), dug up again, and finally buried somewhere else (still without his head)?- ALT1: ... that Phineas Gage was buried in Lone Mountain Cemetery twice, once without his head, before being relocated still without his head?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elk Run (West Branch Fishing Creek)
- Comment: Article still needs work, but gotta nominate now in obeisance to DYK's stupid "newness" fetish. We'll let y'all know when the time comes for a review -- give us a week or two please.
Created by PigeonChickenFish (talk). Nominated by EEng (talk) at 18:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New Enough:
- Long Enough:
- Other problems:
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Overall: The original hook seemed somewhat unprofessional so I created ALT1. I agree the article as a whole needs work, but the promoter can use his/her discretion in deciding when this is ready for promotion, although even right now nothing is fatal for the main page. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Jesus Tapdancing Chist, couldn't you just respect the request of the two people most involved with the article that you wait until we're ready? "Nothing fatal for the main page" is a pretty low bar. And ALT1 isn't nearly as amusing. EEng 00:48, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hey, I told the promoter to wait for promotion, and I've got QPQ bills to pay. (And FWIW, ALT1 is just the original hook made more professional for the Main Page). – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- Don't tell me about professionalism. I'm DYK's greatest hooker so you might say I belong to the world's oldest profession. EEng 01:40, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- @EEng: i definitely laughed at ALT0, but I'd have to ask you to bring it to WT:DYK if you want to get an IAR exception for breaking style guidelines :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- How does it break style guidelines? EEng 09:49, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP:DYKSG#C9:
No parentheses in the hook unless absolutely unavoidable. The (pictured) (or equivalent) for the image slot is an exception.
I'd argue that the use of emphasis onagain
is also on shaky ground in regards to MOS:EMPHASIS, which states thatEmphasis may be used to draw attention to an important word or phrase within a sentence, when the point or thrust of the sentence may otherwise not be apparent to readers
(emphasis mine :D).[FBDB] theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP:DYKSG#C9:
- How does it break style guidelines? EEng 09:49, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- @EEng: i definitely laughed at ALT0, but I'd have to ask you to bring it to WT:DYK if you want to get an IAR exception for breaking style guidelines :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- Don't tell me about professionalism. I'm DYK's greatest hooker so you might say I belong to the world's oldest profession. EEng 01:40, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- @EEng, John M Wolfson, and Theleekycauldron: Any updates on this? There have been no comments since the end of October. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:12, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- I've really gotten behind. First I have to get on Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Church_of_St_Giles,_Stoke_Poges. Then this. Please be patient. EEng 03:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- This remains the only DYK I've accepted where my acceptance was rejected. That said, I still see no issues with the article that hinders promotion, so it's up to EEng. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- No one's rejecting anything. I just said the article wasn't ready yet. I'm done with Stoke Poges so this is next on my list. EEng 04:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- EEng, it's been over two weeks and while you've been doing a ton of edits, none have been on this article. You originally asked for a week or two at nomination time, and it's two months later. Since you seem to need a deadline, how does 23:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC) sound? Absent significant progress by then, the approval will be restored. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- No one's rejecting anything. I just said the article wasn't ready yet. I'm done with Stoke Poges so this is next on my list. EEng 04:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- This remains the only DYK I've accepted where my acceptance was rejected. That said, I still see no issues with the article that hinders promotion, so it's up to EEng. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- I've really gotten behind. First I have to get on Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Church_of_St_Giles,_Stoke_Poges. Then this. Please be patient. EEng 03:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- I appreciate the pressure, but I need to beg a couple more days. EEng 06:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- You got 'em. Thanks for posting. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @EEng: I have looked over the article and think it is suitable for posting, what do you think? Kingsif (talk) 00:39, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I appreciate the pressure, but I need to beg a couple more days. EEng 06:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- You know what? Let's "freeze" this nom until the Halloween. Yay! 🎃 BorgQueen (talk) 15:17, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 23
Messe in A (Tambling)
- ... that Christopher Tambling (pictured), who composed the 2010 mass Messe in A for a German boys' choir, has been credited with knowing exactly what young singers are capable to sing and like to sing? Source: [1] for the quote
- Reviewed: Ted Heaton
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: @Gerda Arendt: Good article. However, it feels as if the hook is more about Christopher tambling then it is about Messe in A which is the main focus of this hook. Could you either find a new hook or word it in a way that makes Messe in A more pronounced? Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. My English is not up to a rewording with the mass in the front, perhaps you could suggest. He was commissioned because this is so, but the writing of the sentence came after it, - I have no idea how to say it in short. The mass is beloved by Catholics and Protestants, children and seniors, but that is a summary of many detailed sources, nowhere said like that, and quite unusual for a 2010 work. Did you listen? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:09, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: For the rewording you could say
- ALT0a: ... that the 2010 mass Messe in A was composed by Christopher Tambling (pictured) who has been credited with knowing exactly what young singers are capable to sing and like to sing? Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry for my obvious lack of English - not my native language - because that reads to me as just the same fact, only in passive voice, while I prefer active voice. Go ahead, you can even approve it because it's no new fact (which would need a different reviewer). Will sing it - first time - on 1 November. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
I'll approve but I don't know if this hook will be okay. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:18, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt and Onegreatjoke:
I have doubts that this source is independent of Tambling, and would shy away from using it for positive quotes about him. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:15, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- Please explain. It's a group making recommendations for music to be used in churches of South Tyrol, Italy. How is that "dependent" (of an English composer popular in Germany)? They also recommend other music, 16 works in that issue. They just nailed shortest what others also say. There's a reason that this mass is performed at all the cathedrals. We performed it last Sunday, with pleasure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's a group whose goal is to promote church music; it's an advocacy group. It doesn't provide critical review; anything it mentions is a glowing endorsement. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- No it's a church group that picks the music they think serves best. They picked this, not #1 but high enough to be listed. They would criticise faults if they were there, but this is just simple and beautiful, and serving it's purpose. We sang it, so I know what I talk about. - If you don't believe the group, me and all the cathedral choirs who do perform this piece we could say that he was commisissioned to write " a melodic work, easy to perform and of a joyful disposition", but I always hesitate to use something translated. Remember how Talia Or "beherrscht die Scene" which seems to come out so differently in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Is my read of this website correct? Do they accept monetary orders for full versions of Tambling's sheet music? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, it seems they get discounts when you order through them to music sellers. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Right, - they - as a church organisation - get 10% discount and pass that to parishes who order via them, as a service and regardless of which piece. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- No it's a church group that picks the music they think serves best. They picked this, not #1 but high enough to be listed. They would criticise faults if they were there, but this is just simple and beautiful, and serving it's purpose. We sang it, so I know what I talk about. - If you don't believe the group, me and all the cathedral choirs who do perform this piece we could say that he was commisissioned to write " a melodic work, easy to perform and of a joyful disposition", but I always hesitate to use something translated. Remember how Talia Or "beherrscht die Scene" which seems to come out so differently in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's a group whose goal is to promote church music; it's an advocacy group. It doesn't provide critical review; anything it mentions is a glowing endorsement. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Please explain. It's a group making recommendations for music to be used in churches of South Tyrol, Italy. How is that "dependent" (of an English composer popular in Germany)? They also recommend other music, 16 works in that issue. They just nailed shortest what others also say. There's a reason that this mass is performed at all the cathedrals. We performed it last Sunday, with pleasure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt and Onegreatjoke:
- @Gerda Arendt and Theleekycauldron: This nomination looks like it's stalled. From what I can see, either leeky needs to agree that the current hook is OK and restore the tick, or Gerda needs to supply a new hook. Could we make one of those things happen? -- RoySmith (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know that I've changed my view, but I'm open to being overridden by consensus, if other people want to chime in. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:01, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Please can we spare overworked users another discussion? Calling several to look into a subject they don't care and know about, eating up their precious time, - I rather make a new hook, but have RL and RD Enzensberger, so next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- If you'd like :) let me know when you've proposed another hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Christopher Tambling (pictured) was commissioned to write the 2010 mass Messe in A for boys' choirs of the Diocese of Würzburg as a melodic work, easy to perform and of a joyful disposition?
- Onegreatjoke, RoySmith, theleekycauldron, how is that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- "easy to perform and of a joyful disposition" is sourced to the publisher of the work? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- It doesn't even describe how the work is, only the objectives of the commission. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that children of the Frankfurt Cathedral Choir School performed the Messe in A, a 2010 mass by Christopher Tambling (pictured), with the cathedral organist in 2014? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- "easy to perform and of a joyful disposition" is sourced to the publisher of the work? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Please can we spare overworked users another discussion? Calling several to look into a subject they don't care and know about, eating up their precious time, - I rather make a new hook, but have RL and RD Enzensberger, so next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know that I've changed my view, but I'm open to being overridden by consensus, if other people want to chime in. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:01, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I'm not sure I like that hook so much. I did screw up earlier with the difference between them selling the music and simply acting as an intermediary, so let me ask you: would South Tyrol make any kind of commission when you order through their website? Is there any financial reason they would want you to order that way, or is it more like Sam's Club, where they make money just from having members? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:06, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- They are a church organistion, trying to help church musicians making good music. Packing for travel now. Is this another of the noms where the discussion gets four times article length? In the good old days when DYK was no big deal that I still remember ... - We heard today that we'll sing another Tambling mass next year, in B and with bells and brass - that's easier ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hello ...
- ALT3: ... that the 2010 mass Messe in A by Christopher Tambling (pictured) can be sung by a choir of one voice, or two voices, or four voices?
- I don't like it - sheer numbers, no spirit - but trying to please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Could a hook highlighting that it was so popular a full choir version was commissioned be written? I'd propose one myself but then someone else would have to review and we may be waiting a while :) Kingsif (talk) 04:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Go ahead, I don't mind waiting. For Talia Or, I waited from 9 October to 26 December, making it an unexpected Christmas gift in the end :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT4 ... that the mass Messe in A by Christopher Tambling, originally set for high voices, proved so popular that a four-part version was later commissioned? Kingsif (talk) 23:25, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Go ahead, I don't mind waiting. For Talia Or, I waited from 9 October to 26 December, making it an unexpected Christmas gift in the end :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Reviewer needed for ALT4. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not gonna review this, but I'll just input that I would reject ALT4 if it were in any other topic area. Did you know ... that Taylor Swift's "Love Story", originally written with banjo and mandolin, proved so popular that an acoustic version was later released as well? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would say it would be more comparable to saying "Love Story, originally a country ballad, was so popular that a death metal version was later released" (especially since, er, mandolin and banjo are typically acoustic instruments) - and I don't think one needs to know about opera at all to recognise the gear change between high voices and a full four-part choir. Kingsif (talk) 05:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I agree – the difference between high voices and SATB, in that they're both sets of human vocals with different pitches and timbres, is more comparable to the difference between different types of acoustic instruments, in that they're both sets of plucked wood-string instruments with different pitches and timbres. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 05:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would say it would be more comparable to saying "Love Story, originally a country ballad, was so popular that a death metal version was later released" (especially since, er, mandolin and banjo are typically acoustic instruments) - and I don't think one needs to know about opera at all to recognise the gear change between high voices and a full four-part choir. Kingsif (talk) 05:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not gonna review this, but I'll just input that I would reject ALT4 if it were in any other topic area. Did you know ... that Taylor Swift's "Love Story", originally written with banjo and mandolin, proved so popular that an acoustic version was later released as well? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 27
Goddess of Victory: Nikke
- ... that the shooter game Goddess of Victory: Nikke was developed to be playable with one hand? Source: IGN
- ALT1: ... that an illustrator of Goddess of Victory: Nikke believed that the chibi art style was too compressed and opted for full-body illustrations? Source: IGN
- ALT2: ... that development of Goddess of Victory: Nikke started with a company competition? Source: 4Gamer "それについて..."
- ALT3: ... that the idea for Goddess of Victory: Nikke to be played in a first-person perspective was scraped to include poses from the Gears of War series? Source: IGN Japan "企画当時..."
- Reviewed: First nomination
- Comment: The article seems to pass all of the supplementary criteria. Plot is short because I can only use official trailers.
Created by Lol1VNIO (talk). Self-nominated at 10:45, 27 October 2022 (UTC).
The source cited (this IGN source IGN) is sponsored content and per WP:SPONSORED can't be used as a source in the article. The Pocket Gamer coverage in the article is also in a similar category. Is there any coverage here that isn't which could be used instead? Nomader (talk) 17:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the response @Nomader: I acknowledge that the IGN article was sponsored by the developers but I think the quotations from Kim Hyung-tae inside the article can be used, since it's a WP:primary walkthrough/commentary that covers the internal development processes and gameplay for an unreleased game. I think the 5:10 ratio for primary/sponsored-to-secondary sources in the article are fine for an upcoming game because closed-beta test leaks are an absolute no go. I've added two more alt hooks with different sources if the main one still isn't acceptable. Best wishes ~~ lol1VNIO👻 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 20:14, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Feedback is below.
- DYKs must be cited to a reliable source, and I just don't think that sponsored content is an acceptable form here at DYK (although happy to have someoe come by and overrule what I've said here). That said, for the other two hooks:
- ALT2 is
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- ALT3 is
. Though more interesting than ALT2, it isn't entirely accurate in the way it's currently written -- I think it should probably be "the developers of Nikke: Goddess of Victory decided to scrap its first-person perspective after being inspired by poses found in gameplay from the Gears of War series." something like that?
- Either way, @Lol1VNIO:, let me know if you have any follow-up questions and really good work overall on this. Nomader (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Nomader: I'm going with ALT2 due to its closer connection to the game. ~~ lol1VNIO👻 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 07:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- Since the game has been released, I'm putting this
On hold to expand the plot section. ~~ lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 17:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- For the purposes of transparency, I'm currently at chapter 8/18 of the main plot. ~~ lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) edited 22:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
Note: the article was moved, so I have updated the DYK header, DYK nompage links, and DYKmake templates to reflect the move to the article's new name; this nomination page, however, should not be moved. (The hooks should probably reflect the article's new name.) As it's been a month since their last post, pinging nominator Lol1VNIO to find out where things stand. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: Sorry, I have been bloody busy lately. But fortunately, Christmas is right around the corner meaning I have more than enough time to finish this plot summary (and a reception section). I'm currently at chapter 11 and, as proof that I'm not lying and just slacking off, here's where my notes currently stand (I don't like publishing unfinished plot summaries):
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- I'm keeping an eye on WP:STREAMLINE. I plan to finish this before New Year's. Best, ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 11:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @BlueMoonset:
Done. Wow, that was close. ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 00:00, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @BlueMoonset:
Thanks, lol1VNIO. Since the article has been almost entirely rewritten, a new review is needed for the article as it is now, including the various hooks to see whether they are properly sourced after the revisions. Nomader, did you want to do another review of the vastly expanded article, or should we find someone new? (Don't forget to mention the "within policy" criteria this time around.) Thanks either way. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 29
Northern Territories Alcohol Labels Study
- ... that when '"Alcohol can cause cancer" warning labels were attached to retail products in the Yukon, there were claims that the warnings infringed the copyrights and trademarks of alcohol producers? Source: "The government cited the fear of lawsuit by industry associations for defamation or copyright infringement. " --https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-alcohol-warning-labels-study-results-1.5556344Lobbying groups representing Canada’s breweries, wineries and distilleries, Mr. Streicker said, suggested that the labels might harm their brands and asked about the territory’s legal right to apply them. The industry also suggested that putting stickers on their bottles and cans infringed trademarks, he said." --https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/world/canada/yukon-liquor-alcohol-warnings.html
- ALT1: ... that four weeks after '"Alcohol can cause cancer" warning labels were attached to retail products in the Yukon, the government removed them, citing a lack of consent from product producers? Source: ""Unfortunately, it didn't have the consent of label owners," said Patch Groenewegen, manager of social responsibility, policy and planning with the Yukon Liquor Corp. [a government entity]" https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-liquor-label-backlash-1.4466330
- ALT2: ... that industry objections to '"Alcohol can cause cancer" warning labels on retail products may have produced a Streisand effect? Source: "Booze industry brouhaha over Yukon warning labels backfired... " https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-alcohol-warning-labels-study-results-1.5556344"By drawing attention to its own lobbying activities, the industry may have inadvertently increased public support for alcohol policies and helped to further broadcast the message that alcohol is a cause of cancer." https://www.jsad.com/doi/full/10.15288/jsad.2020.81.222
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Geology of Kimberley (Western Australia)
- Comment: I'm still reading thru the academic and news coverage of this topic, and trying to write a balanced article from a decidedly non-neutral balance of reliable sources, in which many avoid speaking directly for fear of being sued. I will improve the article further and do a QPQ.
Created by HLHJ (talk). Self-nominated at 02:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC).
The QPQ for this nomination is now overdue. It should have completed within one week, as per the RfC on excessively late supply of QPQ credits. It would be a shame to see this nomination rejected. Please do the QPQ promptly. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- NOTE: I will do a full review when a QPQ is complete. Flibirigit (talk) 18:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Flibirigit! I wasn't aware of that RFC; I thought my nom would just be ignored until I'd done a QPQ. I've done one. I'll now get on with the article expansion, I've found a bunch more sources; I hope to be done within a day, or two if I do some more reviews. HLHJ (talk) 02:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Great, I will check back here in a couple of days. Flibirigit (talk) 02:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
According to WP:LOWERCASE, a good article title might be Northern Territories alcohol labels study, unless multiple reliable sources capitalize everything. Any thoughts on using the sentence case for the article's title? Flibirigit (talk) 22:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- The most commen RS "title" seems to be "the Yukon study" which is a bit too vague, and inaccurate, as the control arm was not in the Yukon. The start-caps name seems to be what the researchers and lobbyists called it, including in research protocol descriptions; not exactly third-party independent sources, as they were written by researchers. No idea why journalists had an adversion to the term. I don't recall, nor with a quick skim can I find, another capitalization used in any source, and this capitalization is used in running text, as in "Northwestern University" and other multiword proper nouns. If a non-proper noun, the title would mean "study of alchohol labels in the Northern Territories", a broader scope, making it useful to havean indication that it is a proper noun. So on the whole I think this title best, faute de mieux. But I will keep my eye out for sources using other terms. HLHJ (talk) 00:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
I notice there is a long list of external links. These might be better labelled as Wikipedia:Further reading, instead of Wikipedia:External links. Any thoughts? Flibirigit (talk) 22:34, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- I think you're right. I will convert it. Apologies for being behind my timetable, I got IRL issues, then sidetracked. I'll ping you when I've got it in order, which should be soon; I plan to get a fair amount of stuff out of notes and into article within a day. HLHJ (talk) 00:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing the QPQ. I will look for a comment here, then do the full review of this nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 01:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- @HLHJ: any thoughts on when this is ready for a review? I'd like to go ahead by the weekend (November 26–27) if possible. Flibirigit (talk) 17:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I did in fact do extensive work on this over the last three days, but I realize I haven't posted any of it (I thought I'd posted at least a bit, but no, and you are right to nag). Getting MEDRS sourcing where appropriate, and finding yet more journal articles that are the product of it, and some more news sources, has lead to a fairly total rewrite. I should have written this complex article in draftspace, and maybe I should put my 2.0 verson there now. Thoughts? Finishing by this weekend should be doable. HLHJ (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, will return on the weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 21:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- I noticed many changes. Is the major update complete? Flibirigit (talk) 03:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Reviewing..., will post a more complete review by tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 02:28, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- I noticed many changes. Is the major update complete? Flibirigit (talk) 03:33, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, will return on the weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 21:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I did in fact do extensive work on this over the last three days, but I realize I haven't posted any of it (I thought I'd posted at least a bit, but no, and you are right to nag). Getting MEDRS sourcing where appropriate, and finding yet more journal articles that are the product of it, and some more news sources, has lead to a fairly total rewrite. I should have written this complex article in draftspace, and maybe I should put my 2.0 verson there now. Thoughts? Finishing by this weekend should be doable. HLHJ (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- @HLHJ: any thoughts on when this is ready for a review? I'd like to go ahead by the weekend (November 26–27) if possible. Flibirigit (talk) 17:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing the QPQ. I will look for a comment here, then do the full review of this nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 01:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- I think you're right. I will convert it. Apologies for being behind my timetable, I got IRL issues, then sidetracked. I'll ping you when I've got it in order, which should be soon; I plan to get a fair amount of stuff out of notes and into article within a day. HLHJ (talk) 00:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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Overall: Article created October 29 and nominated within seven days. Length is adequate. No plagiarism issues were detected. The earwig tool highlighted multiple areas, but those were quotes, and proper nouns which are not violations. The sourcing is mostly good, however some quotations are missing a citation. I have tagged the relevant places. Also, there are three images in the "Results" section which have unclear sources. I have several questions about neutrality. I notice that "Tim Stockwell" is mentioned three times within the "Label design", but it is unclear what position he holds, and if anything he says is relevant or important enough to quote verbatim. If he's not notable, perhaps paraphrasing is best. In the section "Threats", the following statement seems to be promotional towards a person with questionable notability; "Robert Solomon, a Canadian law professor with 40 years' experience specializing in drug and alcohol policy". The section "Lobbyist identities" contains a lengthy quote from Luke Harford, which might be best paraphrased since he has questionable notability. The hooks proposed are all reasonably interesting. I question whether ALT0 is properly cited in the article. The claims of copyright infringement are cited to here, but it fails verification since the cited source says "fear of lawsuit by industry associations for defamation or copyright infringement.", which is not the same. I am unsure where ALT1 is cited in the article. I cannot find it in the main body, but two sentences in the introdcution could be used to cite the hook. If cited in the introduction, both sentences need a citation. Currently just the second sentence is cited. I cannot locate a citation in the article for ALT2, and do not see Streisand effect mentioned. All images used in the article are in the public domain. The image for this nomination is clear at a low resolution, and used in the article. The QPQ requirement is in progress. Overall the article is a decent contribution and I hope to see it on the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 21:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- I entirely agree with Flibirigit's comments. The descrption of Solomon is paraphrased from the NYT (he also co-wrote a paper. later I think), and a better phrasing would be good; Tim Stockwell is a full professor and a lead researcher on the study, and I hadn't realized I hadn't mentioned it. I'll fix. A lot of the cns are wher I've cited two successive sentences to a ref at the end of the second one; I can duplicate. I also find the proportion of quotes exvessive; ot reflects the news sources, which avoid saying much in their own voice, presumably for fear of lawsuits. The balance, flow, coherence, hooks, and third-party assessments of results need work. I have been unavoidably and unexpectedly unable to spend much time on-wiki; I apologise for not watching this page and will work on this as soon as I can. (Redacted) 01:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment. I will look for the changes to appear on my watchlist. Flibirigit (talk) 16:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy reminder posted on the nominator's talk page. Perhaps sending an e-mail will be the next step if no response. Flibirigit (talk) 14:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'd say don't bother with an email, Flibirigit – if they don't respond to a talk page message in a timely manner, I'd say to just close it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Courtesy reminder posted on the nominator's talk page. Perhaps sending an e-mail will be the next step if no response. Flibirigit (talk) 14:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment. I will look for the changes to appear on my watchlist. Flibirigit (talk) 16:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- HLHJ (talk · contribs), your progress on the article is noted. Please comment here when you're ready to continue the review. Flibirigit (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
There are still three "citation needed" tags, and one "weasel words" tag. Flibirigit (talk) 14:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- @HLHJ:, I have not noticed any progress on this article since December 31. This nomination is now more than two months old, and it is increasingly likely that others will want to reject the nomination if not completed soon. It's close to the finish line, I hope you find the time for three citation needed tags and the one weasel tag. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you both (Narutolovehinata5 too) for the talk page pings, I'm afraid I've never gotten into the habit of using my watchlist. You're quite right, I got distracted into writing about weaving and spinning mechanisms (our textile content is surprisingly weak, systemic bias, I guess). The weasel-words tag is hard to succinctly clarify without misrepresenting the situation; I've been thinking that a wordy specific explaination in a footnote might be adequate to remove it. I'll make this the next thing I work on on Wikipedia, and finish it off before doing anything else (except replying to people). HLHJ (talk) 00:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- @HLHJ:, I have not noticed any progress on this article since December 31. This nomination is now more than two months old, and it is increasingly likely that others will want to reject the nomination if not completed soon. It's close to the finish line, I hope you find the time for three citation needed tags and the one weasel tag. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 2
Tree of life (biology)
- ... that Ernst Haeckel's 1866 tree of life model has been described as "the earliest 'tree of life' model of biodiversity"? Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/540038a
Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 14:21, 5 November 2022 (UTC).
Reviewing... Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 01:21, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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Overall: First thing first: Earwig is giving me an... interesting copyvio score. Rightfully so - we have a very large Darwin quote that takes up 60% of my screen. Since Origin is in the public domain, the article should indicate that it incorporates much of its text from public domain sources. Template:Source-attribution helps with this. With regards to neutrality, I am not seeing any WP:DUE or WP:FRINGE red flags, which is good for something closely related to a controversial topic like evolution. Would like to stress, however, that I don't have any expertise on biology, so anyone who does is welcome to provide their second opinion on the article here.
Furthermore, the hook seems run-of-the-mill - I would suggest making the hook about Darwin's seminal work as his name is more well-known to a general audience. Something like ... that Charles Darwin conceptualized his theory of evolution using a "tree of life" model?
would be good. Another optional suggestion would be to incorporate an image there and bam, more readers hooked. Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 13:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Your Power: I mean, we could do Alt1 "... that Charles Darwin used a tree of life model to conceptualize his theory of evolution." Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:46, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: that's broadly interesting enough. Just waiting for the copyvio issues to be addressed before we approve this
Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 08:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: that's broadly interesting enough. Just waiting for the copyvio issues to be addressed before we approve this
- @Your Power: Got rid of the blockquote. Is that good enough? Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Deletion of the material is not appropriate. Use the Source attribution template as advised above if it's thought really necessary - I can't see why it should be, as all Darwin text is PD as he died in 1882, so his writings have all been PD since 1 January 1953. Chiswick Chap (talk) 22:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap: WP:FREECOPY, a subsection of WP:PLAGIARISM, urges to use attribution templates when copying material from free sources (PD, CC licences compatible with enwiki, etc). I do agree that removing that long quotation was not the best, however. Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
📝 "Don't get complacent..." 04:18, 20 November 2022 (UTC)- Feel free to add it if it's troubling you. I was not consulted about starting this process and have no interest in its outcome. Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap: WP:FREECOPY, a subsection of WP:PLAGIARISM, urges to use attribution templates when copying material from free sources (PD, CC licences compatible with enwiki, etc). I do agree that removing that long quotation was not the best, however. Your Power 🐍 💬 "What did I tell you?"
- Deletion of the material is not appropriate. Use the Source attribution template as advised above if it's thought really necessary - I can't see why it should be, as all Darwin text is PD as he died in 1882, so his writings have all been PD since 1 January 1953. Chiswick Chap (talk) 22:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Your Power: Got rid of the blockquote. Is that good enough? Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke and Your Power: There hasn't been any movement with this nomination since November, have any issues been sorted out yet? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I don't exactly know how use an attribution template so someone will have to teach me or do it themselves. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I've tried to address this. The usage instructions at Template:Source-attribution didn't cover how to use it with other referencing templates like {{sfnp}}. After looking at some other articles that use the template, I modified the instance of the quote to {{sfn}} and added it in the
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comment. Not sure if this is exactly what the reviewer wanted. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I've tried to address this. The usage instructions at Template:Source-attribution didn't cover how to use it with other referencing templates like {{sfnp}}. After looking at some other articles that use the template, I modified the instance of the quote to {{sfn}} and added it in the
- I don't exactly know how use an attribution template so someone will have to teach me or do it themselves. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 4
Charles Redd
- ... that Charles Redd (pictured), a rancher and member of the Utah State Legislature, moved to legalize horse racing and betting in 1925, only to make it illegal again two years later? Source: Arrington, Leonard J. (1995). Utah's audacious stockman, Charlie Redd. Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press. ISBN 0-87421-177-8. OCLC 31515461. pp 128-133
- ALT1: ... that Charles Redd (pictured), a rancher and businessman from Utah, received the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire for his friendship with Lord Halifax? Source: Arrington, Leonard J. (1995). Utah's audacious stockman, Charlie Redd. Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press. ISBN 0-87421-177-8. OCLC 31515461. pp 165-168
- Reviewed:
Created by Cjstirlbyu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Needs a greater diversity of sources.
- Neutral:
- Tagged as needing more perspectives, which I agree with.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- ALT0 hook needs to be cited following the sentence, not just at the end of the paragraph. AGF on the offline source.
- Interesting:
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed:
- Image does not have copyright information that matches its source.
- Used in article:
- Clear at 100px:
QPQ: - Not done
Overall: The ALT0 hook is interesting and cited, but the article clearly needs a lot of work. SounderBruce 06:24, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: -- Thanks for the review; I've made some changes to the article to further improve it! I have added more information and corrected the copyright notice on the image page on Wikimedia Commons, and I've added citations immediately following the ALT0 hook, and have further clarified some of the information in that paragraph. I have also added additional citations to the rest of the article and changed some of the language to reflect a more neutral viewpoint. Since this article is within my first five DYK nominations, QPQ is not required. Let me know if any other changes need to be made! Cjstirlbyu (talk)
- Well done on the improvements, but three's still some work to be done. The lack of outside perspectives is still an issue and would be bolstered by using coverage from out of the region (where the story of a quick repeal would have garnered some attention), while also looking at more critical commentary of his activities, both contemporary and modern. I don't think the picture fits very well, given it shows Redd long after the time of the bill's passing and repeal. SounderBruce 07:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: -- I've added a few more sources from outside of Utah on Redd and the bill's passing and repeal, as well as some more broad commentary on the rest of his life. There isn't a lot of modern commentary on his time in the legislature, given that he was only a member of the Utah House for a few years. I feel that the photo is appropriate for the article, however it's fine if we don't use it for the DYK. Let me know if I can change anything else!
- Still has an outstanding tag for lack of viewpoints that I feel is a valid criticism. SounderBruce 08:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hi SounderBruce, could you elaborate? The person who originally put the "may not include all significant viewpoints" tag on put in the edit summary "sourcing continues to be overwhelmingly reliant on BYU-affiliated publications." The Arrington source that has many citations is published by Utah State University, which is not affiliated with BYU. The Alexander essay collection was published by the BYU university press, and constitutes 7 citations. What viewpoints do you feel are lacking? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 22:24, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging @SounderBruce: Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:34, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, the article is fine when it comes to independent viewpoints. I would like to see the citations cleaned up (currently the titles are just the paper name and page number, which is a jumbled mess) before giving final approval, Cjstirlbyu. SounderBruce 06:14, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks SounderBruce. The last name, year, and page number style of citation is one called shortened footnotes style (sfn). It is used on today's featured article, CSS Baltic. It is very helpful for being able to reference the exact page number of a book that is used multiple times as a reference. This page uses sfn style for books and more regular citation templates for items with a URL. For DYK, a certain style of footnote is not required. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- To clarify, the newspaper citations are the ones that need cleanup. SounderBruce 20:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- SounderBruce, I've cleaned up the newspaper citations—let me know if anything else needs to be done before the nomination can go through! Cjstirlbyu (talk) 22:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- To clarify, the newspaper citations are the ones that need cleanup. SounderBruce 20:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks SounderBruce. The last name, year, and page number style of citation is one called shortened footnotes style (sfn). It is used on today's featured article, CSS Baltic. It is very helpful for being able to reference the exact page number of a book that is used multiple times as a reference. This page uses sfn style for books and more regular citation templates for items with a URL. For DYK, a certain style of footnote is not required. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, the article is fine when it comes to independent viewpoints. I would like to see the citations cleaned up (currently the titles are just the paper name and page number, which is a jumbled mess) before giving final approval, Cjstirlbyu. SounderBruce 06:14, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Still has an outstanding tag for lack of viewpoints that I feel is a valid criticism. SounderBruce 08:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: -- I've added a few more sources from outside of Utah on Redd and the bill's passing and repeal, as well as some more broad commentary on the rest of his life. There isn't a lot of modern commentary on his time in the legislature, given that he was only a member of the Utah House for a few years. I feel that the photo is appropriate for the article, however it's fine if we don't use it for the DYK. Let me know if I can change anything else!
- Well done on the improvements, but three's still some work to be done. The lack of outside perspectives is still an issue and would be bolstered by using coverage from out of the region (where the story of a quick repeal would have garnered some attention), while also looking at more critical commentary of his activities, both contemporary and modern. I don't think the picture fits very well, given it shows Redd long after the time of the bill's passing and repeal. SounderBruce 07:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Cjstirlbyu: The article is now in good shape, but upon a second look the hook needs to be shortened. By dropping some of the details, it would flow much better. SounderBruce 09:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT0a ... that Utah state representative Charles Redd (pictured) moved to legalize horse racing and betting in 1925, only to make it illegal again two years later?
- @SounderBruce: How does this sound? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to reopen what's already a long discussion, but I don't believe this is in fit state for the main page. I happened to spot-check a random sentence, and found the sources didn't remotely support the content; I then did five more spot-checks of sources I could access, and only one of them was completely okay. I don't know if this is carelessness, too many people working on the article, or sources shoehorned in to address the lack of independent content raised above; but it needs to be fixed. Given the issues I've raised, I would not be comfortable featuring this until someone has done spot-checks and found no issues. Also: the hook is a bit of a problem. Redd didn't make racing illegal; he didn't have that authority. He proposed the bill which made it so, much as he proposed its legalization. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Vanamonde, I did find some issues with text-source integrity. In the cases you found, the source was further down in the paragraph, but it wasn't clear that it applied to the earlier material. Cjstirlbyu and I went through the page to check for the accuracy of the material and make its sourcing clearer. I think I added a little information like Redd's introduction of crested wheatgrass and being voted one of 29 stockmen of the century by a cattle newspaper. I looked for information on the environmental impact of Redd's ranching, because I'm certain that it has affected the environment in the La Sals, but I haven't found anything that concretely connects Redd's ranching to ecological problems (although general articles on how grazing permits were freely given in Utah's early days and their impact on the ecology exist). As for the hook, how does this sound?
- ALT0b ... that Utah state representative Charles Redd (pictured) successfully proposed the legalization of horse racing and betting in 1925, only to successfully propose making it illegal again two years later? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Rachel Helps (BYU): Thanks for doing that; I know it can be trick for a student who may be relatively new to Wikipedia. Regardless, though, I would like to see a spotcheck by someone else before passing this myself. I can do one, but it may be a few days before I have the time. Other reviewers can of course step in if they wish. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:51, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 12
Caroline Ellison
- ... that 28 year old Caroline Ellison, a Stanford University graduate, was the CEO of the hedge fund that borrowed over $10 billion of user deposits from the collapsed crypto exchange FTX? Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ftx-tapped-into-customer-accounts-to-fund-risky-bets-setting-up-its-downfall-11668093732
- Reviewed:
- Comment: It is a timely topic with far-reaching consequences given that the collapse of FTX is being compared to the Enron collapse, and the total damage appears likely to be within an order of magnitude of the Enron collapse.
Created by Molochmeditates (talk). Self-nominated at 05:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: Not reviewing as I have worked on the article, but this hook is not supported by the article or by the cited source. The WSJ article cited only says that anonymous sources made the key claims here, so we cannot put them in wikivoice. (It also seems this article has passed the 7-day time limit for DYK nominations, unless I'm missing something.) —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 08:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment agreed that this isn't a great DYK hook because of the BLP concerns. There's a big difference between reporting that sources claim X and putting it in wikivoice, especially when you're dealing with allegations of a crime. In any case, the article doesn't seem to be eligible for DYK-it needs to have been created or expanded 5x in the last 7 days. Blythwood (talk) 10:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I believe this is the first DYK nomination of Molochmeditates. We should give them a pass for the time limit. Thriley (talk) 14:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment My bad wrt to the link. I meant to post this one: https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-caroline-ellison-found-herself-at-the-center-of-the-ftx-crypto-collapse-11668899604.--Molochmeditates (talk) 19:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Still doesn't support the claim in the hook. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Regarding the above concerns about the nomination time limit, WP:DYKSG#D9 addresses this very issue:
The "seven days old" limit can be extended for a day or two upon request. If the nominator is new to DYK, a seven-day extension may be allowed.
Since the article was created on 12 November and nominated early on 21 November, that's two days, so I think we can take the "upon request" as given; indeed, if this is their first nomination, we have more leeway than that. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Regarding the above concerns about the nomination time limit, WP:DYKSG#D9 addresses this very issue:
- Still doesn't support the claim in the hook. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment i picked this bio for a school project because it has a lot of problems and some of them are pretty bad so far. i dont think she should be featured on the home page until her bio is in better shape even if its not complete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhaleNow (talk • contribs) 18:45, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- also dont think sbf should be in there. there's other things about her that are interesting. she was in forbes 30 under 30. Forbes called her "a rare female leader in a male dominated industry". she was captain of the math team in high school and won 2nd place in Boston's math league. Took MIT math classes while in high school. gave her dad a statistical analysis of toy prices at 8. prize-winning math scholar. something like "that Caroline Ellison, ex-CEO of Alameda Research who plead guilty in the FTX fraud, earned top honors at the 2008 American Mathematics Competition?" even with the fraud stuff there's stuff like in Aug she told Bloomberg that Alameda didn't "get any different treatment from other market makers" but told law enforcement that she knew about the fraud since 2019. WhaleNow (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Full review needed, though the BLP issues and hook sourcing will need to be addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- The link is this: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ftx-tapped-into-customer-accounts-to-fund-risky-bets-setting-up-its-downfall-11668093732. From the article, "Alameda’s CEO is Caroline Ellison, a Stanford University graduate who like Mr. Bankman-Fried previously worked for quantitative trading firm Jane Street Capital", "FTX Chief Executive Sam Bankman-Fried said in investor meetings this week that Alameda owes FTX about $10 billion, people familiar with the matter said". The age part is from the rest of the sources in the biography, but happy to remove that. Would be more helpful to know which parts of the hook are being disputed instead of generic comments like "doesn't support the claim in the hook". --Molochmeditates (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- The key phrase here is "people familiar with the matter said". The WSJ is not actually saying that Alameda borrowed $10 billion from FTX, it is only saying that unspecified anonymous sources said Alameda owes FTX $10 billion. So we cannot say in wikivoice that Alameda borrowed $10 billion from FTX. Since this is a hook about a living person, we need to be especially careful, and WP:BLPGOSSIP specifically advises us: "Be wary of relying on sources [...] that attribute material to anonymous sources." —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- The link is this: https://www.wsj.com/articles/ftx-tapped-into-customer-accounts-to-fund-risky-bets-setting-up-its-downfall-11668093732. From the article, "Alameda’s CEO is Caroline Ellison, a Stanford University graduate who like Mr. Bankman-Fried previously worked for quantitative trading firm Jane Street Capital", "FTX Chief Executive Sam Bankman-Fried said in investor meetings this week that Alameda owes FTX about $10 billion, people familiar with the matter said". The age part is from the rest of the sources in the biography, but happy to remove that. Would be more helpful to know which parts of the hook are being disputed instead of generic comments like "doesn't support the claim in the hook". --Molochmeditates (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 that Caroline Ellison, the former CEO of Alameda Research and a close associate of Sam Bankman-Fried, believes that “a lot of crypto projects don’t have much real value”? from this NY Times article:[2] Thriley (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2 that Caroline Ellison, ex-CEO of Alameda Research who plead guilty in the FTX fraud, was a National Merit scholarship recipient in 2012? Newtonite — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhaleNow (talk • contribs) 20:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Mark Wetjen
- ... that Mark Wetjen was the top advisor for Sam Bankman-Fried, the former CEO of cryptocurrency exchange FTX, during an aggressive lobbying campaign of the United States Congress? Source: “ Meanwhile, he was using his newfound political clout to sell Washington on a regulatory regime that promised to work to his advantage. The contrasts were glaring and never easily reconciled: As crypto’s self-appointed ambassador to Washington, Bankman-Fried was pressing for federal regulation even as he dodged U.S. oversight from his corporate headquarters in the Bahamas.The executive acknowledged that FTX’s aggressive lobbying made him an outlier in crypto. “Outside of us, there weren’t many people engaging,” Bankman-Fried said in an interview last month with The Washington Post. “I think that means we have to do a better job as an industry more generally engaging.”In April, he turned up in the office of Caroline Pham, a Republican member of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, less than a week after she assumed the post, along with Mark Wetjen, the former acting chair of the agency and now Bankman-Fried’s top Washington adviser.” Washington Post
Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 01:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: A QPQ is needed. The hook appears to be incorrect because the source says, "top Washington adviser". Wetjen didn't resign the CFTC - he resigned from the CFTC. The article has a notability tag. The references shouldn't be bare URLs. SL93 (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
@Thriley: As you were not able to provide a QPQ within seven days of the nomination plus a reminder, the nomination is now marked for closure. The nomination may resume once a QPQ has been provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 “that Mark Wetjen was the top Washington advisor for Sam Bankman-Fried, the former CEO of cryptocurrency exchange FTX, during an aggressive lobbying campaign of the United States Congress?” Thriley (talk) 04:59, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- I think it might be a bit better to have something mentioned about the FTX CEO’s desire for cryptocurrency to be regulated by the CFTC and Wetjen’s role in the lobbying. There have been more news stories since I created the article. I’d like to have a look at them before this is approved. Thriley (talk) 05:03, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
We need a new reviewer now. Bremps! 16:48, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Commission on Training Camp Activities
... that the Commission on Training Camp Activities used sexuality to motivate American soldiers to fight?Source: https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/usa-sexually-teased-troops-in-first-world-war-to-make-them-fight-harder- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Coastal hydrogeology
- Comment: Need some help to improve and expand this article but believe it will make a good DYK and perhaps GA in the future
Created by Whizz40 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC).
- I'm afraid there are some sourcing issues:
- "For the Boys Over There" (hosted at www.unitedwarwork) is a student research project. It clearly can be easily replaced for the material it supports.
- Almeroth-Williams is a blog post -- an excellent one, but still a blog post. It appears to be derived mostly or entirely from Eric Wycoff Rogers, "The Men behind the Girl behind the Man behind the Gun: Sex and Motivation in the American Morale Campaigns of the First World War", Journal Hist Sexuality, and the article should use that as its source. Further, it looks like Rogers' ideas are highly interpretive, so the article should probably relay them as "Historian Eric Wycoff Rogers argues that etc etc".
- Having said that, I certainly don't want to discourage anyone. This subject is fertile with pregnant hooks whose general thrust is given by this variation on ALT0:
- ALT1 ... that the Commission on Training Camp Activities used sexual denial to make American World War I solders fight harder? Source: https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/usa-sexually-teased-troops-in-first-world-war-to-make-them-fight-harder
- With source material like [3] (found in Almeroth, but likely from Rogers) the hooks practically write themselves: "The position of the piston ... Cocks 4, 5, and 6 are all partially open and there is some flow through each. Education has enlarged the soldier's field of interests ..." And Almeroth's post climaxes with Rogers' penetrating (if ambiguous) insight that
US[oops -- turns out the author meant British and French] authorities were "inclined to tolerate -- and perhaps even encourage -- sexual activity among their soldiers" -- a seminal idea injecting new potentcy into the heretofore flaccid image of American doughboys. EEng 19:19, 20 November 2022 (UTC)- Sourcing issues have been addressed. No objection to going with ALT1. Whizz40 (talk) 21:19, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's really coming together. But ... in my role as pain in the ass, I need to point out that with Rogers available there should be no need for Almeroth-Williams (and indeed, if it's in Almeroth but not Rogers, one has to wonder where Almeroth got it). Also, WRT to Gatzemeyer, we don't usually accept PhD dissertations as RS. EEng 23:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- First, a belated thank you for your review of this article for DYK. I believe the article is well-referenced and inline citations are provided to the sources used to write the article, including a direct quotation from Almeroth. His blog itself references Rogers as his source, as you point out, however, Rogers' paper is behind a paywall. Given the blog is published on the website of a reputable university, there is nothing to suggest it is unreliable. Furthermore, its accessibility to readers makes it easy for them to verify what is written in the article themselves, if they wish to, or to reader further, should they wish. I forget which Wikipedia principle I read it on, but I recall good practice is to cite where you read it rather than citing where your source references it. Separately, I have now clarified the reason for citing Gatzemeyer, which is footnote 7 of page 105 which reads 'For the CTCA's portrayal of its task, purpose, and method see Edward Frank Allen, Keeping Our Fighters Fit for War and After (New York: The Century Co., 1918), 3-8, quotation on 16; War Department, Commission on Training Camp Activities (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1917), 3-5; Raymond B. Fosdick, "The Commission on Training Camp Activities," Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science in the City of New York 7, no. 4 (1918): 163-70.'. Hopefully, this suffices to address the sourcing issues, but happy to discuss further. Whizz40 (talk) 08:08, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- It's really coming together. But ... in my role as pain in the ass, I need to point out that with Rogers available there should be no need for Almeroth-Williams (and indeed, if it's in Almeroth but not Rogers, one has to wonder where Almeroth got it). Also, WRT to Gatzemeyer, we don't usually accept PhD dissertations as RS. EEng 23:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sourcing issues have been addressed. No objection to going with ALT1. Whizz40 (talk) 21:19, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- To be clear, I wasn'tvundertaking to do the review --just kibitzing re the hook. EEng 12:36, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Nomination needs a full review. Flibirigit (talk) 17:44, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- I was going to review this but then I started looking at the sources listed in the fantastic bibliography (including the journal articles which can be accessed through Wikipedia Library, etc.) and started layering in details, and now I think I'm too involved to be a reviewer. But I still need a few more days to finish adding content. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Update. We now have a "Background" section on the article, but more work is needed on explaining the actual most interesting part of the story (per EEng's comments above). I am planning to return to working on it in about a week or so, and in the meantime EEng has also provided some additional points to research/add on the article Talk page. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- I was going to review this but then I started looking at the sources listed in the fantastic bibliography (including the journal articles which can be accessed through Wikipedia Library, etc.) and started layering in details, and now I think I'm too involved to be a reviewer. But I still need a few more days to finish adding content. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
The prose is long and new enough. Good sources are used throughout the text. Meanwhile, which portion of the article supports ALT1? --Mhhossein talk 07:10, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review, Mhhossein. I tweaked the wording to support ALT1 as well as the original hook. Whizz40 (talk) 09:22, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- To use ALT0 would be a tragic waste of comic potential. ALT1 would go in the quirky slot, of course. EEng 14:00, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- You're welcome Whizz40. The sentence used for ALT1 still requires attribution. The current wording is wikivoicing Eric Wycoff Rogers's opinion/thought/argument. --Mhhossein talk 08:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- The link you put behind wikivoicing is WP:NPOV, so you seem to be implying there's some controversy or dissent. I don't see any evidence of that, and Rogers's paper is peer-reviewed, so I don't see what your objection is (though Whiz more cautious wording, below, is fine). EEng 21:29, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- The Almeroth-Williams piece has the sub-title "The United States sexually ‘teased’ its troops in the First World War to make them fight harder, a new study reveals". It quotes Rogers directly: '"Sexual denial, status anxiety and perceived pressure from women – this was a powerful combination,” Rogers says. “In striving for the approval of women, the morale planners hoped soldiers would perform their duties without complaint, fight harder, and be willing to risk their lives.”' The Wikipedia article contains the following sentence: "Historian Eric Wycoff Rogers, however, argues the agency used sexuality and sexual denial to motivate soldiers to fight harder."[4] Whizz40 (talk) 08:38, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Nobody beats the Whiz. EEng 19:06, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think some sort of WP:OR is happening here. Rogers argues that "Sexual denial and ..." is a "powerful combination". In what term? He further argues that US soldiers was made fight harder for the sake of "the approval of women". Then I think your final conclusion is OR. --Mhhossein talk 06:33, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Nobody beats the Whiz. EEng 19:06, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- You're welcome Whizz40. The sentence used for ALT1 still requires attribution. The current wording is wikivoicing Eric Wycoff Rogers's opinion/thought/argument. --Mhhossein talk 08:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- To use ALT0 would be a tragic waste of comic potential. ALT1 would go in the quirky slot, of course. EEng 14:00, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review, Mhhossein. I tweaked the wording to support ALT1 as well as the original hook. Whizz40 (talk) 09:22, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Fair point, we don't want original research. Let's revise the hook and the relevant sentence in the article. Whizz40 (talk) 07:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Fair point nothing. Rogers says (underlining added):
Morale strategists and CTCA reformers sought to install what sociologist Eva Illouz describes as an "architecture of choice," ... These desirability hierarchies worked in tandem with the military's efforts to drastically reduce the overall availability of sex within the soldiers' social environments in order to capture sexual desire and make it productive. Within these conditions, the War Department selectively exposed White soldiers to the appeals of alluring, self-restrained women who would pressure and/or encourage them to fight. The men who founded and ran the military's morale agencies sought to depict women's desires and expectations in media, using posters, newspaper editorials, and films to convey a sense to the soldiers that women's expectations aligned with the goals of the military. They hoped that men, in striving for women's approval, would perform their military duties enthusiastically and without complaint, light [sic, fight] harder, and risk their lives ...
- To be honest, I can't even parse Mh's post, much less understand the complaint. There's no OR. EEng 21:29, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @EEng: The first issue was over the hook being Wikivoiced. The article reads:
"The CTCA has been portrayed as "one of the last stands of an older generation of moral reformers against the onrush of a liberalizing sexual culture."
This POV goes against that of the Roger saying sexuality was actually being used to motivate the soldiers fight harder. Also, the portion you just quoted here says sexual denial was done "to capture sexual desire and make it productive." Should/can we interpret "productive" as 'fighting harder'? Thought the quotation does support the fact that women's approval was used to make soldiers fight harder. --Mhhossein talk 07:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)- This has nothing to do with POV or NPOV. There are no sources disputing these ideas. The sentence you quote in no way contradicts the hook or anything Rogers says.
- Nobody's interpreting "productive" as "fighting harder"; we're interpreting "fighting harder" as "fighting harder". What I quoted is a single passage leading from "sexual denial" to "fight harder". You seem to think that the source has to give the hook fact in a single sentence, and that's not true.
- And Almeroth-Williams gives the hook fact directly: "The United States sexually ‘teased’ its troops in the First World War to make them fight harder, a new study reveals".
- EEng 23:43, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Exactly a POV-related issue, in my viewpoint. Maybe we can consider Almeroth-Williams's words as a better source. But it still does not elaborate on the details by saying 'teased'. --Mhhossein talk 05:25, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm forced to say it: there appears to be a language barrier here, because in a sexual context teased implies denial. I don't see how to move forward if you don't understand that. We've quoted sources N different ways, all saying the same thing. EEng 07:13, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Exactly a POV-related issue, in my viewpoint. Maybe we can consider Almeroth-Williams's words as a better source. But it still does not elaborate on the details by saying 'teased'. --Mhhossein talk 05:25, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @EEng: The first issue was over the hook being Wikivoiced. The article reads:
At this point, I'd prefer to leave the review job to another volunteer. --Mhhossein talk 04:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 14
SailRail
- ... that a SailRail ticket lets you travel from any station in Britain to any in Ireland? Source: https://www.seat61.com/train-and-ferry-to-dublin.htm
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Jackson (surveyor)
- Comment: A genuine "Did you know" this one; when I've mentioned it to several people, they've said "'how cheap is that?"
Created by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC).
New enough and long enough. Sources inline look reliable enough for what they're citing. Verified the hook citation to the best of my ability (not familiar with UK rail transport, but looks fine). Earwig is clean. QPQ done. Looks like it should be good to go. Hog Farm Talk 03:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333 and Hog Farm:
Forgive me, but I'm a little lost on the scope of the topic. Is SailRail the common name of the ticket? The name of the company that distributes them? Or is it multiple companies that sell this type of ticket? If it's a single organization or similar, I'm wondering if the hook and article are a little promotional... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333 and Hog Farm:
- It's a type of ticket, that you can buy from any British station; you can use any train service or ferry you choose with it, provided it's relevant. Similar to a Travelcard. The only possible way this article could be promoting it is comparing it against flying. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:19, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm a little concerned that "SailRail" isn't actually what it's called. Looking through the sources, I see "SailRail", "Sail-Rail", "Sail Rail", "Rail / Sail", "Sail and Rail" and "Sail & Rail". We don't want to be taking a generic descriptive term and elevating one version of it as the officially wiki-sanctioned version. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- I think "SailRail" is the formal term, as that's what gets printed on the ticket, and what I think the common name should be. The fact that multiple sources refer to it slightly differently is an indication of its relative obscurity, which is why we haven't had an article on it until now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:05, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- We really need something more concrete than "I think that's the formal term". Lots of things get printed on tickets, that doesn't make the ticket a WP:RS. Also, how is it being relatively obscure different from it being not notable?
- @Ritchie333: Having thought about this more (and cogitated a bit on WP:COMMONNAME), let me propose that using SailRail as the article title and in the hook would be fine, as long as you add something to the article explaining that it's a generic term covering a number of similar services known by various similar names. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:33, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Just seen the discussion on this at Talk. I have access to specialist sources and may be able to assist. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron, Hog Farm, and RoySmith: Various additions/tweaks now made following on from the discussion at T:T/DYK, particularly by clarifying that SailRail is the brand used between Britain and Ireland and that other similar schemes are not directly linked. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 15:25, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Just seen the discussion on this at Talk. I have access to specialist sources and may be able to assist. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 13:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333: Having thought about this more (and cogitated a bit on WP:COMMONNAME), let me propose that using SailRail as the article title and in the hook would be fine, as long as you add something to the article explaining that it's a generic term covering a number of similar services known by various similar names. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:33, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- We really need something more concrete than "I think that's the formal term". Lots of things get printed on tickets, that doesn't make the ticket a WP:RS. Also, how is it being relatively obscure different from it being not notable?
- I think "SailRail" is the formal term, as that's what gets printed on the ticket, and what I think the common name should be. The fact that multiple sources refer to it slightly differently is an indication of its relative obscurity, which is why we haven't had an article on it until now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:05, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- While I think the original hook wording is intriguing, doesn't it sound vaguely promotional? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- A promotional hook would be something like "Go far beyond your usual stop with a Rail and Sail ticket. Head for the wilderness of the Outer Hebrides, the history of Shetland or the buzz of Belfast – that one ticket holds the key to countless adventures." which is how the ScotRail website describe it. If you mean I want to "promote" SailRail in as much as I want more people to use it, showing it's a viable alternative for sitting in an uncomfortable departure lounge for 3 hours before being told your flight is 2 hours late ..... then I guess so. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:04, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 16
Chris Lewis (Usenet)
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that... in 1998, Chris Lewis and forty other anti-spam volunteers started an unsuccessful boycott with the goal of crashing computer servers with unfiltered spam?Source: Wired- Reviewed:
- Comment: Expanded fivefold
Created by Vortex3427 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:49, 16 November 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Meets eligibility criteria. Recently expanded to 5x by the nominator. Article is well sourced. WP:AGF on offline sources. Article is well sourced and is neutral in tone. Earwig does not show any issues. Hook is interesting. I was not able to see the reference to forty other volunteers at the Wired link. Requesting the nominator Vortex3427 to take a look and point that to me in case I missed it. The hook itself is interesting. Can the nominator take one pass at rewording the hook if they can? Reading the source it appeared that the boycott was primarily them stopping their actions of spam filtering pressuring the ISPs and usenet admins to install their own spam filtering tools. The hook seems to be missing that nuance. Happy to hear the nominator's views. QPQ pending. passing this back to the nominator. Ktin (talk) 16:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ktin: This is the nominator's second nomination so a QPQ is not required. Sending another ping to Vortex3427 in case they missed the above review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- The part about there being forty volunteers is mentioned in this article. Will try to reword this hook shortly—in retrospect, the "crashing computer servers with unfiltered spam" was more of a predicted side effect then a goal.— VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 01:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- With due respect, I do not see why a new reviewer is needed. I have been waiting for a revised hook from @Vortex3427:. I noticed the QPQ comment from Narutolovehinata earlier. Ktin (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm striking the proposed hook as it is inaccurate and confusing. The goal was not to crash servers, the goal was to get ISPs to filter spam instead of relying on volunteers to do the work. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- ... ALT1... that in 1998, Chris Lewis and forty other anti-spam volunteers started an unsuccessful boycott with the goal of convincing internet service providers to filter spam? Source: Wired
Articles created/expanded on November 17
Serie A Player of the Month
- ... that no player has won the Serie A Player of the Month award on two consecutive months or in the same season but Papu Gómez and Cristiano Ronaldo are the only players to win two in one calendar year? Source: https://www.legaseriea.it/it/award/ea-sports-player-of-the-month
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gene Cipriano
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Overall: @Dr Salvus: Good article. However, i feel as if there needs to be more citations before this proceeds. The end of the second paragraph and third paragraph needs a citation. Multiple winners, awards won by club, and awards won by nationality also need citations. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Onegreatjoke, does it go well now? Source 3 is for the whole lead. Dr Salvus 14:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Dr Salvus I still need citations for multiple winners, awards won by nationality, and awards won by club. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Onegreatjoke WP:CALC. Dr Salvus 05:59, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Dr Salvus Assuming that, I will approve this now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
@Dr Salvus: The cited source doesn't actually say anything that supports the facts asserted in the hook. Can you provide a more specific citation?
-- RoySmith (talk) 17:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- RoySmith, WP:CALC 2.0. You can see the source and notice only those two won the trophy. If you see the source, you can make four calculations and obtain the info. Couldn't find anything that says the textual words. Dr Salvus 17:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps we're not looking at the same source? I'm looking at https://www.legaseriea.it/it/award/ea-sports-player-of-the-month. I don't see where it even mentions either of those names. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- The source does say who won the trophies and in what month they did. If you read the entire list of winners, you'll see my hook is supported. Dr Salvus 16:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- Here from WT:DYK – I understand the dispute is about the veracity of the source, but something else jumped out at me while I was reading this. Even if the sources say what Dr Salvus says they do, it'd still be SYNTH to arbitrarily group the winners into various time periods. It's a form of interpretation – it makes some of the awards seem more special than they are, but it's doing that based off of primary sources. For that kind of analysis, I'd argue that secondary sources are needed, and WP:CALC wouldn't cover it. Off to investigate the sources now, will return shortly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- I also just noticed this still needs QPQ. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:11, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm seeing Gene Cipriano (nom) in the comment field? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:13, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- I also just noticed this still needs QPQ. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:11, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, so it does seem like the table checks out – Gómez and Ronaldo both have two MVP wins in 2020 (I'm not sure why the sub-awards aren't listed), one under the 2019–2020 season and one under the 2020–2021 season. I assume that's what Dr Salvus was driving for? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:17, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- Some thoughts. Firstly, the date sorting in the table is set up wrong; it needs to be based on Template:Date table sorting to produce meaningful output. Secondly, and more importantly, I believe that the sourcing for the hook is good enough. The first table is sourced and whilst sourcing is indirect, everything can be traced back to a reference and beyond that, WP:CALC is a reasonable argument. That said, thirdly I need to point out that the article currently fails rule D2 of the supplementary guidelines. We cannot have unsourced sections. The sources need to be repeated for the bottom three tables. Schwede66 01:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- Right, I might just have found a solution for the source problems, or at least a partial one. On Serie A's own YouTube channel, there are several playlists containing a video for each Player of the Month from each season, including the 2019-20 campaign (which first introduced the prize). I'll provide all the links right here, hopefully all of you can access them. 2019-20 (actually, I could only find this round-up video); 2020-21; 2021-22; 2022-23. Please let me know if they're useful! Oltrepier (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Here from WT:DYK – I understand the dispute is about the veracity of the source, but something else jumped out at me while I was reading this. Even if the sources say what Dr Salvus says they do, it'd still be SYNTH to arbitrarily group the winners into various time periods. It's a form of interpretation – it makes some of the awards seem more special than they are, but it's doing that based off of primary sources. For that kind of analysis, I'd argue that secondary sources are needed, and WP:CALC wouldn't cover it. Off to investigate the sources now, will return shortly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
George Charles Hoste
- ... that on 3 May 1810 George Charles Hoste took charge of the quarter-deck guns of the Spartan frigate in the Bay of Naples, defended her against a French squadron, and took the brig Sparvière as a prize? Source: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1901_supplement/Hoste,_George_Charles
Created by Ficaia (talk). Self-nominated at 13:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC).
Everything checks out fully: QPQ done, new enough, definitely long enough, article sourcing seems accurate, hook is well-sourced and short enough, and hook is decently interesting (though I might have gone with something about him accidentally killing his brother). Image is a tad wanting at that size but that's subjective; no copyright concerns with the image for obvious reasons. Outstanding article, nice job. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Ficaia and Pbritti:
while public domain text is allowed in DYK articles, it doesn't count towards the 1500-byte character minimum – by my count, this article would be only at 1000B. Could that be brought higher? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Would adjusting the text to be not a copy-and-paste of the public domain material be acceptable? If that's insufficient, I can probably scrounge up some more details. ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: yep, standard copyvio rules apply; if you say it in your own words, it'll count. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Leeky. I'll ping when I've wrapped that up; hopefully Ficaia will also do a pass. Thanks for your repeated patience and thoroughness. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Excellent, please do :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Leeky. I'll ping when I've wrapped that up; hopefully Ficaia will also do a pass. Thanks for your repeated patience and thoroughness. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: yep, standard copyvio rules apply; if you say it in your own words, it'll count. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Would adjusting the text to be not a copy-and-paste of the public domain material be acceptable? If that's insufficient, I can probably scrounge up some more details. ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Ficaia and Pbritti:
@Ficaia: Any movement on this? If the article doesn't meet the length requirement in a week, I think we should probably close. Also, for anyone passing by, rephrasing a bunch of public-domain text already in the article is a pretty easy way to pick up a DYK credit... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Pbritti and I have been working on it. I'll try and add/change some more. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 08:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Ficaia did some additions and rewording in mid to late December. Do you think the changes are sufficient to pass this? 97198 (talk) 22:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- No, I don't think so. A lot of the attempts to rephrase wind up being WP:CLOP, and most of the new additions are just citations, which don't count. I'm going to suggest that if the changes aren't made within a week, the nomination should be marked for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: By my count, there are 1000-odd characters in the lead, also I've added about 300 characters to the body from 2 sources I added, and Pbritti has done some rephrasing. As this is very nearly ready, please don't mark it for closure. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 04:54, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- No, I don't think so. A lot of the attempts to rephrase wind up being WP:CLOP, and most of the new additions are just citations, which don't count. I'm going to suggest that if the changes aren't made within a week, the nomination should be marked for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Ficaia did some additions and rewording in mid to late December. Do you think the changes are sufficient to pass this? 97198 (talk) 22:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Ficaia: Parts of the lead throw Earwig flags as well, make sure you get those. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Casey Newton
- ... that Casey Newton's reporting of Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter led to at least two employees learning through Newton's tweets that they were laid off? Source: https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/twitter-contract-workers-learn-they-have-been-fired-by-reading-tweets-of-others-9520001.html
- ALT1: ... that through Casey Newton's reporting of the acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk, at least two employees had learned that they had been laid off from his tweets?
- ALT2: ... that Casey Newton had informed at least two Twitter employees that they had been laid off by tweets through his reporting of Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: First DYK nomination! I'm proud of the article. The intention in the hook is to say that the tweets by Newton were the tipoff to the employees learning that they were laid off, not just his reporting.
Moved to mainspace by SWinxy (talk). Self-nominated at 01:58, 20 November 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: @SWinxy: Good article. Hook is interesting, sources seem good, and no QPQ is required. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
@SWinxy, Mandarax, Paul2520, Onegreatjoke, Theleekycauldron, and Cwmhiraeth: - I am reopening this nom per issues raised at WP:ERRORS (see [5]). The previously approved hook appears to be based on unreliable sourcing. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 17:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
- In theory, Money Control could have verified the stories independently, but I would expect a line like "We independently verified that these were former Twitter employees who first heard about their being fired this way."
- How would a slight hook change be?
- ALT2: ... that Casey Newton's reporting of Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter may have been the first way some ex-Twitter employees learned they were laid off?
- OR
- ALT3: ... that Casey Newton's reporting on the effects of content moderation on workers has led to a contracting company cutting ties with Facebook? Source: I assume good faith on the Hertz book source.
- @SWinxy and Amakuru: = paul2520 💬 19:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: Hi Paul. I have been spending less time on Wikipedia and so I forgot to reply. I'd be okay with either of those, with ALT2 > ALT3. SWinxy (talk) 23:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: or @Amakuru:, would you re-review with ALT2 or ALT3? = paul2520 💬 19:29, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Like others, I'm not that comfortable with the fact that we're citing Moneycontrol (sketchy reputation per WP:RS Noticeboard) and BGR (owned by Penske Media Corp, says it likes accurate reporting, but article essentially sourced to anonymous "company sources" and a random tweet reply) for the hook and in the article. It's also a shame because in fact... There is quite a bit of other secondary coverage (in sources considered reliable enough by WP standards) about Casey Newton's reporting of the ongoing employee-related drama at Twitter! So I think a hook similar to ALT2 might work, or you could have a hook stating that all these other news outlets relied heavily on what Casey Newton is reporting (without getting bogged down in having to vouch for the accuracy of what he was reporting). Regardless, I think in order to do justice to Casey Newton, a bit more additional research, content, and sourcing is required in the article. (I was starting to paste some article links, but a quick Wikipedia Library search yields 139 hits, so there is a lot to choose from.) Cielquiparle (talk) 23:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: or @Amakuru:, would you re-review with ALT2 or ALT3? = paul2520 💬 19:29, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Paul2520: Hi Paul. I have been spending less time on Wikipedia and so I forgot to reply. I'd be okay with either of those, with ALT2 > ALT3. SWinxy (talk) 23:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Drag Den
- ... that auditions for the first season of Philippine reality series Drag Den were held over TikTok? Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/11/17/22/nicole-cordoves-sassa-gurl-join-drag-den-ph-judges-panel https://entertainment.inquirer.net/472747/watch-drag-den-philippines-introduces-full-cast-in-official-trailer
- Reviewed:
5x expanded by JuanGLP (talk). Self-nominated at 14:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC).
Original: "... that Manila Luzon is set to host and judge her upcoming Philippine reality competition television series on Amazon Prime Video, containing eight contestants competing for the crown, named Drag Den?"ALT 1: "... that RuPaul's Drag Race alumna, Manila Luzon, announced the premiere date for her upcoming reality series, Drag Den, containing eight contestants competing for the crown?"ALT 2: "... that upcoming reality show named, Drag Den, is set to premiere on 8 December 2022 with RuPaul's Drag Race alumna, Manila Luzon, hosting and judging the reality show?"ALT 3: "... that Drag Den is the second reality competition series to contain Filipino drag queens competing for the crown and title in the Philippines, the first series being Drag Race Philippines?"ALT 4: "... that Drag Den is the second reality competition series set in the Philippines, containing Filipino drag queens competing for the crown, with the first series being Drag Race Philippines?"ALT 5: "... that reality competition series, Drag Den, is the second franchise set in the Philippines, containing Filipino drag queens competing for a prize, with the first series being Drag Race Philippines?"ALT 6: "... that auditions for the first season of Drag Den were held over TikTok?"- ALT 6a: "... that auditions for the first season of Philippine reality series Drag Den were held over TikTok?"
ALT 6b: "... that auditions for the first season of Drag Den were held over TikTok with RuPaul's Drag Race alumna, Manila Luzon, as the host and judge?"
- Comment: It may look wordy but if there are any ALTs, please suggest them so it can be less wordy. — JuanGLP (talk) 14:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
The article is new enough and long enough and I didn't find any close paraphrasing. No QPQ needed as the nominator has only one prior DYK nomination. However, I have reservations about the hook. It doesn't really read like a hook, more like a news item or a promo. In addition, it seems to be reliant on the reader knowing who Manila Luzon is. Perhaps a different direction can be used here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:22, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I tried to reworded it sound it a bit less promotional. If there's any advice to help the hook, please tell me. — JuanGLP (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- @JuanGLP: I think a completely different direction in hook fact is needed here since I don't think the hook is going to interest people unfamiliar with the names involved. Given that this is about Filipino entertainment, I'll ask help from Pseud 14 to see what other hook options are possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay, thank you for getting help. I did reworded the hook again. I will try to type it better. — JuanGLP (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- I really don't think these angles about Manila Luzon or the premiere is working out. Since this is about a television series, maybe I can also ask Theleekycauldron for ideas about a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Here are three more alternative hooks. What do you think? I removed the mention of Manila Luzon. Any thoughts on those hooks? Also, did you manage to get a response for the help on the hook? — JuanGLP (talk) 13:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm still waiting for Theleekycauldron's response before responding further. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Here are three more alternative hooks. What do you think? I removed the mention of Manila Luzon. Any thoughts on those hooks? Also, did you manage to get a response for the help on the hook? — JuanGLP (talk) 13:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- I really don't think these angles about Manila Luzon or the premiere is working out. Since this is about a television series, maybe I can also ask Theleekycauldron for ideas about a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Okay, thank you for getting help. I did reworded the hook again. I will try to type it better. — JuanGLP (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- @JuanGLP: I think a completely different direction in hook fact is needed here since I don't think the hook is going to interest people unfamiliar with the names involved. Given that this is about Filipino entertainment, I'll ask help from Pseud 14 to see what other hook options are possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I tried to reworded it sound it a bit less promotional. If there's any advice to help the hook, please tell me. — JuanGLP (talk) 14:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: While we're here, I'd suggest making some more thorough prose and sourcing checks on the article; looks a bit promotional to me, and some sources aren't fantastic. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well ALT 5 doesn’t really sound promotional, and doesn’t ALT 6 needs to have at least 200 characters? Please check the ALTs I placed. Now with the sources, we have plenty of sources in the article, you can check that out. I will write more ALTs to sound less promotional. — JuanGLP (talk) 12:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- At most 200 hundred characters. Please keep them as short as possible :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, well I believe ALT 5 sounds like a possible hook, though your hook sounds good, it should have more context about Drag Den. — JuanGLP (talk) 14:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- I suggested an ALT 6a. Does it sound good? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, well I believe ALT 5 sounds like a possible hook, though your hook sounds good, it should have more context about Drag Den. — JuanGLP (talk) 14:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- At most 200 hundred characters. Please keep them as short as possible :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well ALT 5 doesn’t really sound promotional, and doesn’t ALT 6 needs to have at least 200 characters? Please check the ALTs I placed. Now with the sources, we have plenty of sources in the article, you can check that out. I will write more ALTs to sound less promotional. — JuanGLP (talk) 12:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
I suppose this article should first go through WP:GOCE/R to fix the awkward wording before it can be given final approval. Per the above discussion, I've struck all hook proposals except for ALT6a (which is direct to the point, cited inline and verified, and gives context about the series that would clarify it to those who are unfamiliar with it). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well okie dokie, thank you for your help, please let me know if the DYK? hook went through. — JuanGLP (talk) 13:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JuanGLP: Just to clarify: this is still in need of a GOCE copyedit. I noticed that a request has yet to be made, so I am reiterating that I will not be approving this until such a copyedit has been completed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:14, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:, I do not know what that means… — JuanGLP (talk) 23:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JuanGLP: Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests has some instructions you can follow. Actually I've gone ahead and requested a copyedit myself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, it isn't going to be feasible to wait for GOCE; your request still has 50 articles ahead of it even after waiting over a month, and probably won't be taken for copyediting until sometime in March at this point. If someone can't edit the article to improve the prose sufficiently soon, the nomination should be considered for closure. (I don't think we can offer GOCE as a solution at DYK any more, given its long backlog and the slow movement of the requests list.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- @JuanGLP: Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests has some instructions you can follow. Actually I've gone ahead and requested a copyedit myself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:, I do not know what that means… — JuanGLP (talk) 23:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JuanGLP: Just to clarify: this is still in need of a GOCE copyedit. I noticed that a request has yet to be made, so I am reiterating that I will not be approving this until such a copyedit has been completed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:14, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 26
Charles Grobe
- ... that Charles Grobe (pictured) wrote over a thousand musical pieces in his lifetime, and had reached an opus number of 1998 when he died? Source: Kuhn, Laura; McIntire, Dennis (2001). "Grobe, Charles". Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Gale. Retrieved November 26, 2022 – via Encyclopedia.com.
Grobe was a prolific composer of piano music, producing a grand total of 1,998 opus numbers. He was particularly adept at creating "variations brillantes" on themes by the great German masters and on popular songs.
- ALT1: ... that Charles Grobe (pictured) composed over a thousand musical pieces in his lifetime? Source: Kuhn, Laura; McIntire, Dennis (2001). "Grobe, Charles". Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Gale. Retrieved November 26, 2022 – via Encyclopedia.com.
Grobe was a prolific composer of piano music, producing a grand total of 1,998 opus numbers. He was particularly adept at creating "variations brillantes" on themes by the great German masters and on popular songs.
- ALT2: ... that Charles Grobe (pictured) reached an opus number of 1998 during his lifetime by composing vast numbers of variations on popular songs? Source: Kuhn, Laura; McIntire, Dennis (2001). "Grobe, Charles". Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Gale. Retrieved November 26, 2022 – via Encyclopedia.com.
Grobe was a prolific composer of piano music, producing a grand total of 1,998 opus numbers. He was particularly adept at creating "variations brillantes" on themes by the great German masters and on popular songs.
- ALT3: ... that Charles Grobe (pictured) wrote the "Old Rough and Ready Quickstep" in honor of Zachary Taylor? Source: Kirk, Elise K. (September 1980). "Sheet Music Related to the United States War with Mexico (1846-1848) in the Jenkins Garrett Library, University of Texas at Arlington". Notes. 2. 37 (1): 16–18. JSTOR 940246.
Of the many pieces which bore the great soldier's name, one of the most popular was Charles Grobe's Old Rough and Ready Quickstep, "arranged for the Piano Forte and respectfully dedicated to General Zachary Taylor" in 1846.
- ALT4: ... that Charles Grobe (pictured) wrote the "Lincoln Quickstep" in honor of Abraham Lincoln? Source: Hancock, Harold Bell (1961). Delaware During the Civil War: A Political History (PDF) (2011 digital ed.). Delaware Heritage Press. pp. 29–30. ISBN 978-0-924117-43-5.
In honor of the presidential candidate, Harry Tatnall, of Wilmington, composed the "Railsplitter's Polka," and Charles Grobe, also of Wilmington, wrote the "Lincoln Quickstep."
- ALT5: ... that Charles Grobe (pictured), an American composer, contributed money to support Albert Newsam, a lithographer who had been stricken by paralysis? Source: Stauffer, David McNeely (1900). "Lithographic Portraits of Albert Newsam". The Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography. 24 (3): 273. JSTOR 20085920.
...and as a result of this meeting a fund was raised, to which the chief subscribers were Francis H. Duffee, Ferdinand J. Dreer, Edwin Greble, Julius Lee, John A. McAllister, and Charles Grobe. With the money thus obtained Mr. Newsam was placed in the Living Home, near Wilmington, Delaware, a pleasantly situated and thoroughly respectable institution, founded by Dr. John A. Browne, of New England.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Patty Loveless
- ALT1: ... that Charles Grobe (pictured) composed over a thousand musical pieces in his lifetime? Source: Kuhn, Laura; McIntire, Dennis (2001). "Grobe, Charles". Baker's Biographical Dictionary of Musicians. Gale. Retrieved November 26, 2022 – via Encyclopedia.com.
Created by RexSueciae (talk). Self-nominated at 02:00, 3 December 2022 (UTC).
Article was created just on time (seven days before the nomination) and is free from close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done and the image is suitable. While I have a soft spot for the Lincoln hook, I think the first hook is still the most intriguing option here. However, I do have some questions about it. I noticed that the source used is Encyclopedia.com: is it just a hosting site for the Baker's Encyclopedia, or it is the actual source? If it's the latter, is the cite reliable? Secondly, the hook gives the 1998 number as fact, while the article instead suggests that it was a reported number and thus is not sure. In addition, the sentence
if accurate, it would make Grobe one of the most prolific composers in history
lacks a reference: could it be synthesis or original research? And finally, is there no information about his personal life? The article seems to be a bit barren when it comes to his personal information: it doesn't even mention if he married, had a family, or even how he died. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:27, 6 December 2022 (UTC)- @Narutolovehinata5: It's a hosting site for Baker's, which should be reliable -- I don't have a hard copy of the original on hand, but Gale owns both Baker's and Encyclopedia.com and used the latter to host at least part of the former -- I think an article in *The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians* also cites the 1998 number, although I don't have a copy of that one either (I could probably find it if I tried, I think it's available on the Wikipedia Library). So I've dug a little deeper, and here's the thing -- according to a user on the IMSLP wiki, the *Grove Dictionary* entry even gives the name for Grobe's last published work (Op. 1998) which...probably existed? But which certainly isn't digitized anywhere, and the IMSLP user seems to doubt that it exists (although that's clearly not a reliable source). Complicating matters is that Grobe published some pieces with very high opus numbers that are available online -- and a lot of sources sorta punt on the question by saying he had "nearly two thousand" works, or by mentioning one of his high-numbered pieces that they'd come across while leaving open the question of how many more existed (and again, the only sources that bother to state an exact number say 1998). And I sorta figured that the last bit of the article was something for WP:BLUE -- the outlier of Telemann aside, most composers don't even hit 1000 lifetime works. Finally, personal life -- aaagh. Most secondary sources don't even touch on it. I found one hobbyist's site of uncertain provenance which contains some info on his wife, his cause of death, and his burial place, but no bibliography, so I'm assuming that was all from research into primary sources like census records -- just to put a cap on everything, I looked up the cemetery where he was buried and apparently the place was demolished and built over, so we don't even have a gravestone.
- Anyways, to make a long reply short -- I'm also fond of the Lincoln hook, Charles Grobe and his quicksteps would be an amusing thought. I can't think of more sources (although there has to be more in unsearchable print somewhere) -- maybe these liner notes? But if you'd like me to harmonize things, I'll go take another look. RexSueciae (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- How about a version of ALT0 that omits the 1998 part and just says he composed over a thousand works in his lifetime? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: This better? (I added it in as a new ALT1 and shifted everything else down.) RexSueciae (talk) 11:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- That sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: This better? (I added it in as a new ALT1 and shifted everything else down.) RexSueciae (talk) 11:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- How about a version of ALT0 that omits the 1998 part and just says he composed over a thousand works in his lifetime? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Anyways, to make a long reply short -- I'm also fond of the Lincoln hook, Charles Grobe and his quicksteps would be an amusing thought. I can't think of more sources (although there has to be more in unsearchable print somewhere) -- maybe these liner notes? But if you'd like me to harmonize things, I'll go take another look. RexSueciae (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- @RexSueciae: Do you think anything else with the article can still be improved? For the personal stuff thing I may have to ask for a second opinion on it since I'm not sure if the source is usable; if it isn't it can be left out, can't be helped. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Honestly I'm drawing a blank. I'd be down for a second opinion as well. RexSueciae (talk) 11:33, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Per the above discussion I'm asking for a second opinion from another reviewer regarding the usability of the composers-classical-music.com source. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm against using that source. It's a personal website and I can't find evidence of the author being an established expert in the field. SL93 (talk) 01:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, I don't know of anything else to add. If there are any other sources on the life of Charles Grobe, I have been unable to find them digitized. Meanwhile, just to confirm, there's no problems with the hooks? RexSueciae (talk) 03:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'll leave the final approval to another editor, but my pick for a hook would be either ALT1 or ALT4 (with a slight preference for ALT1). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- In that case, I don't know of anything else to add. If there are any other sources on the life of Charles Grobe, I have been unable to find them digitized. Meanwhile, just to confirm, there's no problems with the hooks? RexSueciae (talk) 03:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm against using that source. It's a personal website and I can't find evidence of the author being an established expert in the field. SL93 (talk) 01:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 27
Benjamin Tompson
- ... that in 1676 Benjamin Tompson was the first poet in the American colonies to have his poems printed and published? Sources: Hall, 1924, p. 22; Wroth, 1938, p. 258; Fussell, 1953, p. 494
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/María Elva Pinckert
- Comment: Statements and sources supporting hook can be found in the 'Vocations' section
Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 00:10, 27 November 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: @Gwillhickers: Good article. However, the hook and what's in the article don't exactly seem to match up in a way that bothers me. For example, in the article it says "the first collection of American poems to be printed in what is the American colonies" while the hook says "was the first poet in the American colonies to have his poems printed and published". I feel like the hook should be a bit more specific here because of that. I'm being picky here because of how DYK is with "First" hooks. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:53, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: — Thanks for your thorough review. Sorry about the delay - was under the weather for a few days there. I added the following statement to the lede, and it already occurs in the Vocation section. Hope this works for all concerned. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 ...Benjamin Tompson (pictured) is credited for being the first native born poet to emerge in North-America? < Hall, 1924, pp. 1, 22 >< Fussell, 1953, p. 494 >
Approving Alt1. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Gwillhickers and Onegreatjoke: the first published native born poet, though, right? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:07, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, in order to establish the idea of 'first poet' you have to establish the idea in terms of tangible evidence -- published works. Otherwise, all historians would have is a speculation or an assumption that Tompson was the first at anything. See: <Wroth, 1938, p. 258> <Hall, 1924, p. 13> <Fussell, 1953, p. 500> -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging @Theleekycauldron, Gwillhickers, and Onegreatjoke: Need clarity on hooks and agreement of those involved, I am not seeing that all issues have been resolved. Bruxton (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- How about an ALT1a: ... that Benjamin Tompson (pictured) is credited as the first native born published poet to emerge in North America? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron The end of ALT1a gets wordy with the alliteration. Also the hook leads me to believe he is a Native American; but he's not a native in the way many would refer to natives. Bruxton (talk) 01:55, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- I see nothing wrong with ALT1, which reads "native born poet", and is well sourced. Most Indians, then and now, didn't/don't consider themselves as an American of any kind. "Native-American" was a term invented by white politicians to placate their critics and other constituents, and more than suggests that the generations of settlers and their descendants who were born and raised in America are native to no country. If this causes anyone to get confused all they have to do is read the lede to the article, which makes it perfectly clear that Tompson wasn't an Indian. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 02:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- I mean, that's not wrong, but "native born" does give the wrong connotation. I think using American colonies from the ALT0 would work well. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:52, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- I see nothing wrong with ALT1, which reads "native born poet", and is well sourced. Most Indians, then and now, didn't/don't consider themselves as an American of any kind. "Native-American" was a term invented by white politicians to placate their critics and other constituents, and more than suggests that the generations of settlers and their descendants who were born and raised in America are native to no country. If this causes anyone to get confused all they have to do is read the lede to the article, which makes it perfectly clear that Tompson wasn't an Indian. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 02:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron The end of ALT1a gets wordy with the alliteration. Also the hook leads me to believe he is a Native American; but he's not a native in the way many would refer to natives. Bruxton (talk) 01:55, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- This is the term the sources use, and used in the proper context doesn't imply anything wrong, imo. Again, the lede, not to mention the article, makes things clear. Also, I have to say, it's wrong that the term "native" has been reserved, by some people, for only one race of people, as if other lives don't matter. We could always use the original hook if someone is going to make a big issue over matters of opinion. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- Removed my objection and placed leeky sig in correct place. Promoting ALT1 Bruxton (talk) 18:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Article contains too-close paraphrasing. Compare for example "Like other poets, Tompson developed his writing by patient practice during hours not involved with his teaching responsibilities" with "Tompson, like other early poets, developed his craft by patient practice during hours unoccupied by his classroom responsibilities", or "definitive example of cultivated standard of achievement in verse in New England in the late seventeenth century" with "represents the cultivated standard of achievement in verse in New England in the late seventeenth century". Nikkimaria (talk) 17:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: I was not aware of this - you have moved this from the prep but you did not ping any of the involved parties (@Theleekycauldron, Gwillhickers, and Onegreatjoke:. You have placed the close paraphrasing banner on the article but it would be far more helpful to help fix the issue. Bruxton (talk) 00:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: this appears to be a recurring problem on Gwillhickers' DYK noms – fixing it is probably not a reasonable ask for a
n admincopypatroller (my bad, i could've sworn!) with lots more to do. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:01, 2 January 2023 (UTC)- @Theleekycauldron: they are not an admin. But I guess this one is kaput now. Bruxton (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: this appears to be a recurring problem on Gwillhickers' DYK noms – fixing it is probably not a reasonable ask for a
@Nikkimaria, Bruxton, Onegreatjoke, and Theleekycauldron: — The phrases in question have been reworded. Bearing in mind
CLOP: "Limited close paraphrasing is also appropriate if there are only a limited number of ways to say the same thing."
It would seem the phrase, "cultivated standard of achievement in verse" is one such example. I had always thought that some similarities were allowed in such cases when used in the context of one's own words, which has always been the case. In any event, I've gone through the article and checked for other issues. If anyone sees something I may have missed please bring it to my attention. If there are no more issues I'm hoping to get this Nom back on track. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- It is always possible to directly quote unique turns of phrase like that one. But again, direct copying is not the only problem to avoid. Consider this example: "Tompson lived to the age of seventy-two, during which time he had the opportunity to produce a good deal of poetry over a period of fifty-five years. From the 1658 poem on Samuel Arnold to his last work in 1713, Tompson wrote at least twenty-nine poems" vs the source's "Because he lived to the age of seventy-two, Tompson had the opportunity to produce a good deal of poetry over a long period of time. In the fifty-five years of his productivity, from the 1658 poem on Samuel Arnold to his "last lines" of 1713, Tompson wrote at least twenty-nine poems". There are pieces of this that are truly limited - but placed in the context of others that are only slightly altered, the whole still consists of close paraphrasing. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:30, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- The statement has been reworded and simplified. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:52, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Would you give the article another review so we can wrap this up? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Honestly, I think I'm going to give this review to someone else as I lack confidence in reviewing this. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Arun gas field
... that atrocities committed at the Arun gas field led to a lawsuit against ExxonMobil that the energy company has stalled for over twenty years?Source: ExxonMobil bid to end Indonesia lawsuit found ‘meritless’ Aljazeera 5-Aug-2022- Reviewed: QPQ not required (3rd nom)
5x expanded by Larataguera (talk). Self-nominated at 03:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: @Larataguera: Based on the NPOV criteria, I feel the hook should be revised to say "alleged atrocities" since this involves an ongoing court case that has not rendered a verdict on ExxonMobil's complicity in the atrocities. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 17:37, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Arsonal, it's true there's a subtle difference between "not denying" and "acknowledging." I missed that, and I'll fix that sentence. As for the hook, the source says that
Since the end of the civil war in 2005, the government-backed Truth and Reconciliation Commission (KKR) and the Commission for Disappeared and Victims of Violence (KontraS) have extensively documented abuses committed by the Indonesian military both around Arun field and across Aceh.
I don't think there's any question that the atrocities occurred, and so it would be misleading to say "alleged atrocities". (That is, we would not be misrepresenting the source if the hook read "... that extensively documented atrocities ...!) - So to be clear, what is "alleged" (and yet to be ruled in the lawsuit) is Exxon's responsibility for the atrocities (under US law). Not the atrocities themselves.
- Larataguera (talk) 20:16, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Larataguera. I agree that the sources point to atrocities being committed, but a reader with no knowledge of the context (which is the point of DYK) and just reading the hook without any antecedent of who committed the atrocities would imply the atrocities were committed by ExxonMobil, resulting in the lawsuit. But, as your source states, the atrocities were in fact committed by the military. I propose the following:
- ALT1:
... that atrocities committed by the Indonesian military at the Arun gas field operated by ExxonMobil led to a lawsuit against the oil company that has stalled for over twenty years?
- ALT1:
- Let me know what you think. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 23:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Arsonal for this suggestion. It seems like anyone who reads much of anything into the hook will just click on it and find all the information they need. The point is to create interest. I think Alt0 is factual and would get more clicks than Alt1, which I think is a little too long and gives too much information.
- If you strongly feel Alt0 is unacceptable, how about
- Alt2:
... that victims of atrocities committed at Arun gas field allege ExxonMobil's responsibility in a lawsuit that the energy company has stalled for 20 years?Larataguera (talk) 00:54, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- Alt2:
- That works for me.
Approve ALT2. Thanks for working with me, Larataguera. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 06:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 1: Arun gas field (nom). SL93 (talk) 16:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Larataguera. I agree that the sources point to atrocities being committed, but a reader with no knowledge of the context (which is the point of DYK) and just reading the hook without any antecedent of who committed the atrocities would imply the atrocities were committed by ExxonMobil, resulting in the lawsuit. But, as your source states, the atrocities were in fact committed by the military. I propose the following:
- Hi Arsonal, it's true there's a subtle difference between "not denying" and "acknowledging." I missed that, and I'll fix that sentence. As for the hook, the source says that
I suppose that if people are insistent that the atrocities be "alleged" (per concerns at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 1: Arun gas field (nom)), then the hook could read:
- Alt3:... that alleged atrocities at the Arun gas field are extensively documented and the subject of a lawsuit against ExxonMobil that has stalled for over 20 years?
I think this is a bit wordy, but could meet people's concerns that we not describe the atrocities to have occurred in wikivoice, while not mis-representing the situation as being more uncertain than it actually is? Larataguera (talk) 18:37, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Reviewer needed to check Alt3. Referenced discussion that caused this to be pulled from prep is now at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 188#Prep 1: Arun gas field (nom). Striking prior hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Hacı Abdullah Restaurant
... that the ownership of the 1888-established Hacı Abdullah Restaurant in Istanbul passed down from chef de cuisine to sous-chef throughout its history? Source: "1888 yılından bu güne serüvenini ustadan çırağa devredilerek devam etmiştir." [6]
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:39, 27 November 2022 (UTC).
Gave this a copyedit, feel free to review. New enough, long enough, neutral, every sentence has in-line citations and I trust that the translation process has eliminated any close paraphrasing issues that could have popped up. The corresponding sentence in the body for the hook fact is directly cited. QPQ completed. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2022 (UTC)|}}
Hook was pulled from the Main Page after discussion at WP:ERRORS. I failed to catch that the hook fact is not entirely true, as the article brings up a few of instances where unconnected non-cooks have taken ownership of the restaurant. Reopening this in case CeeGee can think of another interesting angle for a hook; I am also willing to adopt this nomination. DigitalIceAge (talk) 02:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @DigitalIceAge: First of all, thank you very much indeed for your efforts. You did a great job. I was not aware of the discussion in my absence, so that it was impossible for me to intervene. I did now a copy editing in the artcile, and suggest the following hooks: CeeGee 09:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the ownership of the 1888-established Hacı Abdullah Restaurant in Istanbul passed down sometimes from head chef to apprentice?
- ALT2 ... that dishes at the 1888-established Hacı Abdullah Restaurant in Istanbul are cooked in handcrafted copper pots?
Articles created/expanded on November 28
Pyotr Masherov
- ... that Pyotr Masherov pursued a rapid modernisation of Minsk that resulted in the destruction of much of the original town that survived WW2? Source: Ioffe, Emmanuel (2008). From Myasnikov to Malofeyev: the Rulers of the BSSR. Minsk. p. 138.
- ALT1: ... that under Pyotr Masherov the Belarusian agricultural industry expanded their grain harvest from 2.3 million to 7.3 million, over the 3x the original amount? Source: Dzyemyantsyey, Mikalay. Respect for Business. p. 116. , Vecherko, G. N. He Did Not Show Himself, and Did Not Utter Incantations. p. 240.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Iowa Cow War
Improved to Good Article status by Mupper-san (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 20:24, 1 December 2022 (UTC).
I made a very minor edit to directly source the sentence from which your first hook derives; I learned that was a requirement just a couple weeks ago. Otherwise, the article is an outstanding little work of biography and I was happy to see the GA review process was similarly painless. All requirements done (I have AGF on offline source) and both hooks are sufficiently interesting, though I think Masherov's regret would be an enhancing addition to the first hook. Great job to both nominator and improver! Hope to see more from both. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke and Pbritti:
I'm happy to assume good faith on a book source i can't access – I'm less happy to assume good faith on a book I can't prove... exists? Searches for the title of Respect for Business, in both English and Google Translated-Belarussian, turn up nothing, and the book citations don't come with dates or links. Also, Mikalay Dzyemyantsyey wasn't a scholar, he was the chairman of the Belarusian Supreme Soviet. Is his word reliable? And who was Vecherko? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke and Pbritti:
- pinging @Mupper-san: since he knows the sources better than I do. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:: You (unfortunately) won't find it in Belarusian - it's part of a collection of texts titled Pyotr Masherov: Epoch and Fate. On the 100th Anniversary of his Birth, a Collection of Articles and Texts (Russian: Петр Машеров. Эпоха и судьба. К 100-летию со дня рождения. Сборник статей и воспоминаний.), and to my knowledge hasn't been published on its own. Additionally, I would call Dzyemyantsyey reliable given he was a witness to events occurring under Masherov's rule. Lastly, Vecherko is (I believe) Valentin Vechyorko , a Belarusian historian and opposition politician. Mupper-san (talk) 19:00, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Mupper-san: I see – not sure why it would be G. N., then. Who published Dzyemyantsyey's book? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:: There is also the possibility (which is more likely now, looking at it) that it was Valentin Vechyorko's father, Grigory Nikolayevich Vechyorko (Russian: Григорий Николаевич Вечёрко) - himself an advisor to Masherov, deputy head of Gosplan in Belarus, and a member of the KGB. Dzyemyantsyey's text (Which is actually in a separate collection, a mistake on my part as the two are similarly anthologies of first-hand accounts and historical analysis) was published by the League for the Assistance to Enterprises Association (Russian: Ассоциация "Лига содействия оборонным предприятиям) The collection which Dzyemyantsyey's memoirs are actually part of is Pyotr Masherov, Son of the Belarusian Nation: Memoirs and Articles on his 95th Birth Anniversary (Russian: Сын белорусского народа Петр Машеров. К 95-летию со дня рождения. воспоминания и статьи. Mupper-san (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Mupper-san: Aha, gotcha. Is the publisher reputable for historical content? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I can't really testify as to any knowledge of the publisher, but I can say that many of the authors included in it were people who had some experience with his leadership, among them various social, academic, and cultural figures during the period. Additionally is the fact that sizeable portions of content (for example, Masherov being referred to as a "genuine communist" or similarly described as being a genuine adherent of communism compared to his equivalents during the Era of Stagnation). As an addendum, Dzyemyantsyey would likely have expertise in regards to agriculture as he was head of the agricultural department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Byelorussia from 1977 (see here). And my sincerest apologies for not replying earlier - it must have completely slipped my mind! Mupper-san (talk) 07:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hmm. I know that public officials have a lot of first hand experience, but that doesn't make them reliable for the content they produce – public officials still have agendas and alliances, even after leaving office. If the publisher doesn't have a reputation for historical content, I'm not entirely convinced that we're dealing with a reliable source for the figures. No worries on the response time :) I'm rather swamped and bonked myself. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I can't really testify as to any knowledge of the publisher, but I can say that many of the authors included in it were people who had some experience with his leadership, among them various social, academic, and cultural figures during the period. Additionally is the fact that sizeable portions of content (for example, Masherov being referred to as a "genuine communist" or similarly described as being a genuine adherent of communism compared to his equivalents during the Era of Stagnation). As an addendum, Dzyemyantsyey would likely have expertise in regards to agriculture as he was head of the agricultural department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Byelorussia from 1977 (see here). And my sincerest apologies for not replying earlier - it must have completely slipped my mind! Mupper-san (talk) 07:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Mupper-san: Aha, gotcha. Is the publisher reputable for historical content? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:28, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:: There is also the possibility (which is more likely now, looking at it) that it was Valentin Vechyorko's father, Grigory Nikolayevich Vechyorko (Russian: Григорий Николаевич Вечёрко) - himself an advisor to Masherov, deputy head of Gosplan in Belarus, and a member of the KGB. Dzyemyantsyey's text (Which is actually in a separate collection, a mistake on my part as the two are similarly anthologies of first-hand accounts and historical analysis) was published by the League for the Assistance to Enterprises Association (Russian: Ассоциация "Лига содействия оборонным предприятиям) The collection which Dzyemyantsyey's memoirs are actually part of is Pyotr Masherov, Son of the Belarusian Nation: Memoirs and Articles on his 95th Birth Anniversary (Russian: Сын белорусского народа Петр Машеров. К 95-летию со дня рождения. воспоминания и статьи. Mupper-san (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Mupper-san: I see – not sure why it would be G. N., then. Who published Dzyemyantsyey's book? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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Davlos
- ... that village of Davlos (pictured) is the only place in Cyprus without the sale of alcohol, although it can be purchased just across the road in the beachside? Source: [7]
- ALT0A: that village of Davlos (pictured) is the only place in Cyprus without the sale of alcohol?
- ALT0b: that village of Davlos (pictured) is the only place in Northern Cyprus without the sale of alcohol, but even there it is sold just across the road?
- ALT1: ... that the Greek Cypriot villagers of Davlos (pictured) were expelled by the Turkish Cypriot administration in 1975, only to be replaced by settlers from Turkey who could also speak Greek? Source: [8]
- ALT1a: that the Turkish Cypriot administration replaced the Greek Cypriots of Davlos (pictured) with Greek-speaking Turks from Turkey?
- ALT1b: that Turkish Cypriot administration expelled the Greek Cypriots of Davlos (pictured), only to resettle Greek-speaking Turks?
- ALT2: ... that the religious Turkish settlers in Davlos (pictured) have become less conservative after settling in Cyprus, some of them forgetting parts of the Quran they knew by heart? Source: [9]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Taingda Mingyi U Pho
- Comment: Lots of fascinating facts for me about this village. Take your pick.
5x expanded by GGT (talk). Self-nominated at 01:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC).
Article is newly expanded and long enough. Neutral, cited, and no copyvio issues found. The three hooks are within length, neutral, and cited, though none of them are particularly punchy. I'd like to suggest ALT0A as a shorter version of ALT0 - GGT, your thoughts? QPQ is done. IMage is free, in use, and shows up okay at this size. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for the speedy review. Not too comfortable with ALT0A as it may be misleading to omit the fact that alcohol is actually sold just across the road - and to me this makes the factoid more interesting, although I will concede that the original hook isn’t very punchy. I’ll have a think. —GGT (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Got some new suggestions Pi.1415926535. --GGT (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
ALT0b should be fine. Good to go. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- @GGT and Pi.1415926535:
I'm a little hard-pressed to treat the cited source as reliable for the claim we're making here – although it's worth noting that it doesn't really make the claim we're making at all, if Google Translate is serving me correctly. The headline says that it's the only place that doesn't sell alcohol in the "northern part" of Cyprus, which might mean Northern Cyprus or might not. but then the sub-headline contradicts the headline and says that it's almost the only place? And then the claim just isn't repeated in the body?? Help me out, this doesn't seem like the best journalism. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hey theleekycauldron. Nah, Google Translate is massively missing out on the cultural context here. "Kıbrıs'ın kuzeyi" is a commonly used synonym in Turkish Cypriot press for "Kuzey Kıbrıs". It's best translated as "northern Cyprus" with a small n. It's a term that was introduced some time ago by a Journalists Union working group, it seeks to emphasise the unity of Cyprus and the temporary nature of the division, it was initially limited to the left-wing press but over the years some more centre-right papers like Kıbrıs Postası have picked up on the term and use it. Now this very clearly refers to Northern Cyprus; the extrapolation that the only place in Northern Cyprus without alcohol would be the only place in all of Cyprus without alcohol is WP:BLUESKY territory as the north is the Muslim bit of the island. However if this is a step too far for you I'm happy to change this to "Northern Cyprus".
- The other bit is the word "neredeyse". You are right that as the simplest, out-of-context translation this word would mean "almost". The way it is used in this article though does not mean that, it is a peculiar choice of wording that I would be more familiar with in a 1960s copy of the Milliyet, but I can translate that sentence as "Kaplıca, or Davlos as it was formerly known, is essentially the only settlement in northern Cyprus without the sale of alcohol" (emphasis mine).
- In terms of the quality of the journalism, I think this is absolutely good enough. You obviously won't get the NYT quality in the papers of this part of the world and have to be a bit discerning, but Kıbrıs Postası is a respectable outlet, and I'm familiar with the work of the author of this article, he's one of their better reporters out there. Is there anything that specifically concerns you re reliability? --GGT (talk) 19:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- @GGT: All right, that's somewhat better, but I'm not sure I'm convinced. "Essentially" still isn't the same thing as "is", and the claim isn't repeated in the body at all. Also, how is it BLUESKY if the northern part is the Muslim area? If this is the only village in the north that does, then how does that rule out the southern bit? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:40, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Because as detailed in the article, the reason to avoid the sale of alcohol is conservative Islam, which is just not a thing in the south? No worries though, I've now changed this to Northern Cyprus. With regards to the statement not being repeated in the body, I don't know what to say really. It might seem like an odd editorial practice but this is reasonably common for these newspapers, like here is another example from literally today about an NBA match. It doesn't have any bearing on the reliability of the content, and I think unfamiliarity with the format is hardly a guideline-based reason to challenge reliability. Re the word essentially, I don't think this essentially modifies the meaning here (lol), I mean it is literally the headline that this is the only place in Northern Cyprus without the sale of alcohol. The bottom line is that if you're unhappy for that blurb to proceed, I won’t quibble with it, there are multiple altblurbs that I'm more than happy to have on the main page. --GGT (talk) 08:34, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Aha, I see where I tripped up on north/south. WP:HEADLINE says that headlines and subheadlines aren't reliable for facts – so I think we'll skip this claim for now. ALT2 looks interesting, though, I might take a look at it when I'm making the rounds next :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:33, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Because as detailed in the article, the reason to avoid the sale of alcohol is conservative Islam, which is just not a thing in the south? No worries though, I've now changed this to Northern Cyprus. With regards to the statement not being repeated in the body, I don't know what to say really. It might seem like an odd editorial practice but this is reasonably common for these newspapers, like here is another example from literally today about an NBA match. It doesn't have any bearing on the reliability of the content, and I think unfamiliarity with the format is hardly a guideline-based reason to challenge reliability. Re the word essentially, I don't think this essentially modifies the meaning here (lol), I mean it is literally the headline that this is the only place in Northern Cyprus without the sale of alcohol. The bottom line is that if you're unhappy for that blurb to proceed, I won’t quibble with it, there are multiple altblurbs that I'm more than happy to have on the main page. --GGT (talk) 08:34, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @GGT: All right, that's somewhat better, but I'm not sure I'm convinced. "Essentially" still isn't the same thing as "is", and the claim isn't repeated in the body at all. Also, how is it BLUESKY if the northern part is the Muslim area? If this is the only village in the north that does, then how does that rule out the southern bit? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:40, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @GGT and Pi.1415926535:
Cool. Here's a suggestion to make that one more hooky. --GGT (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2a: ... that Turkish settlers in Davlos (pictured) were so conservative some knew the entire Quran by heart, but then ended up forgetting it?
ALT2a needs review. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- i read hook alt2a before any of the other hooks, and must admit that the mention of "conservative" in the hook confused me because i could not understand how being more conservative would lead one to forgetting the quran. is mentioning it necessary for the hook to be effective?
the practice of memorizing the quran isn't specific to davlos, though, and it seems inevitable that many of those who have memorized the entire quran would eventually forget parts of it. was the number of huffaz in davlos notably larger than that of other settlements of comparable size or demographics? the article mentions that there were 20 huffaz in davlos at one point, but i don't know how many people (or turkish settlers) were in the village then.alt2b: ... that some Turkish settlers in Davlos (pictured) knew the entire Quran by heart, but then ended up forgetting it?
as an aside, i wanted to note that i agree with theleekycauldron about the synth issue regarding the alcohol hook, as i believe religion is not the only reason the sale of alcohol may be banned in a jurisdiction, so i would be wary of keeping that hook's assertion unqualified in the article. also, are the tourist areas technically part of davlos, or are they administratively part of a different settlement? the article seems to suggest that there is a beach in davlos that is part of the tourist areas where alcohol is sold, and if this is so, then that appears to contradict the alcohol hook, if "village" in the hook is interpreted as referring to the entire settlement. google also shows the beach across the road to be a part of davlos. dying (talk) 08:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)alt2c: ... that, out of the x people living in Davlos (pictured) in 1975, 20 had memorized the entire Quran by heart?
alt2d: ... that, out of the y Turkish people that settled in Davlos (pictured) in 1975, 20 had memorized the entire Quran by heart?
- i read hook alt2a before any of the other hooks, and must admit that the mention of "conservative" in the hook confused me because i could not understand how being more conservative would lead one to forgetting the quran. is mentioning it necessary for the hook to be effective?
- Meh, I CBA at this point. I’m withdrawing the nom. —GGT (talk) 09:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Nominator stated a desire to withdraw the nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 15:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 3
Bataha Santiago
- ... that Bataha Santiago, third king of Manganitu, enrolled in University of Santo Tomas at age of 44 in 1666? Source: https://www.manadonews.co.id/2022/08/16/makam-bataha-santiago-gelap-gulita/
- ALT1: ... that an Indonesian military command, Korem 131/Santiago in North Sulawesi was named after Bataha Santiago? Source: https://www.manadonews.co.id/2022/08/16/makam-bataha-santiago-gelap-gulita/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mochamad Hasbi
- Comment: New, CE needed probably, other hooks suggestion welcome
Created by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 05:47, 3 December 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: @Nyanardsan: Good article. Did some copyediting for you. You could make a hook about how he burned all cloves as defiance as the hooks are boring in a way. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Apologize for late respond, added QPQ. However, I disagree with the hook being boring and I prefer to avoid the cloves one as I only found it on one source and not anywhere else. Is it possible? Santo Tomas University is the oldest in Asia and 1600s for a Western-style university education is rare among Asians Nyanardsan (talk) 06:13, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- I am a Filipino myself and unless people know the significance of UST I don't think readers outside Southeast Asia will be intrigued by the hook. Maybe you can propose a different angle here? The first hook is marginally intriguing while the second hook is rather pedestrian. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the Dutch East India Company sent sultans and kings from Maluku to personally persuade Bataha Santiago? Nyanardsan (talk) 03:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: I'm not particularly a fan of this one, because, well, persuade him to do what? Possibly work out that bit with Narutolovehinata5. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT3 ... that Bataha Santiago, third king of Manganitu, was nominated to be National Hero of Indonesia by the North Sulawesi provincial government? SL93 (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke, Theleekycauldron, and Narutolovehinata5: SL93 (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- It's marginally better than the original hooks, but I'm not actually sure if it's enough to intrigue readers. Other reviewers may have a different opinion of course. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure either. It's the best that I could find. SL93 (talk) 08:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- This nom has been quite stall that I forgot it exist for a while, I apologize. Is an article where presumably there's nothing interesting to mention despite fulfilling other more technical criteria (5x expansion/new enough by the time of nomination, verified, etc) a reason to fail it? Because I still wish this to be nominated, especially that it is a lesser known figure (East Indonesia history is very underepresented). So I still think its too unfortunate if it fails because "nothing interesting to be found in the article". I personally could not gather much more to add so I think all hooks proposed here are already all the possible hooks from the article. Nyanardsan (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Even if an article meets the technical requirements, the intriguingness criterion is still a criterion and so a nomination that fails to meet it can still be rejected for not meeting a DYK requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm adding to the ALT2, ... that the Dutch East India Company sent sultans and kings from Maluku to personally persuade Bataha Santiago to sign trade agreements'? I hope this is interesting enough Nyanardsan (talk) 17:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I frankly feel that ALT2 doesn't address the original concerns regarding the intriguingness of the hook, and upon checking the article again myself I can't think of any possible hook information that could meet that criterion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm adding to the ALT2, ... that the Dutch East India Company sent sultans and kings from Maluku to personally persuade Bataha Santiago to sign trade agreements'? I hope this is interesting enough Nyanardsan (talk) 17:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Even if an article meets the technical requirements, the intriguingness criterion is still a criterion and so a nomination that fails to meet it can still be rejected for not meeting a DYK requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- It's marginally better than the original hooks, but I'm not actually sure if it's enough to intrigue readers. Other reviewers may have a different opinion of course. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the Dutch East India Company sent sultans and kings from Maluku to personally persuade Bataha Santiago? Nyanardsan (talk) 03:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- I am a Filipino myself and unless people know the significance of UST I don't think readers outside Southeast Asia will be intrigued by the hook. Maybe you can propose a different angle here? The first hook is marginally intriguing while the second hook is rather pedestrian. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- I very much appreciate the work that has been done to this article, but I just don't think there's any material in the article that would meet intriguingness guidelines. ALT2 still seemed reliant on special knowledge (i.e. knowing where Maluku is), and as someone with an interest in history it really isn't anything out of the ordinary where a colonizing power asked a local leader to sign trade agreements: it happened all the time. Perhaps ALT3 has the most promise among all the proposals, but both I and the proposer have reservations if it's actually enough to intrigue other editors. I'll have to think about this more over the next few days, but right now I'm thinking that either ALT3 is the only suitable option, or it's not suitable either and the nomination will have to be closed as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Piano Concerto (Reger)
... that the Piano Concerto in F minor, Op. 114, by Max Reger, dedicated to Frieda Hodapp (pictured) who played the premiere in Leipzig in 1910, was first recorded by the American Peter Serkin in the 1970s?Source: several- Reviewed:
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5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:37, 3 December 2022 (UTC).
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New enough (5x on December 3), long enough, properly sourced, and otherwise free of relevant issues. Hook (which I trimmed)
- ALT0a:
... that the Piano Concerto by Max Reger, dedicated to Frieda Hodapp (pictured) who played the premiere in Leipzig in 1910, was first recorded by the American Peter Serkin in the 1970s?
is cited and interesting. Image properly licensed, appropriate and used in article.
Just need QPQ. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:44, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/C. S. N. Patnaik. You trimmed the hook a bit too much for my taste, - I therefore show both, for more transparency. It is common to give the key for compositions that travel under a generic title (and also: major or minor tells about the mood) and the Op. number, which reflects that it's a mature work. I tried to say that neutrally, - if we skip it, we may want to add something about as how monumental and challenging ... it has been described (but I'm no friend of the flowery critics' language). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, could you add an inline citation for "1970s"? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 08:45, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- That's what the sources say but now I found a YT from 1959, and by his father oh dear ... - I'll keep digging, YT is not a RS. - I found something else, - will ping you when used, and found more for the recording. - I want to work on an overdue RD article first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Now I added a source about his father doing the first recording, and the son doing a famous performance at Carnegie Hall.
- ALT1:
... that the Piano Concerto in F minor, Op. 114, by Max Reger, dedicated to Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) who played the premiere in Leipzig in 1910, was first recorded by the American pianist Rudolf Serkin in 1959? - I had to change both pianists' names, the lady because she seems to have used a double name. I found two more good sources, liner notes by Hyperion, with details about the background - composer promised her a concerto for years - and another review of the 2016 concert, by the New York Times. I'll expand later today or tomorrow, but you could could check for DYK already as it is. - The overdue RD was Christiane Hörbiger, and perhaps check the ITN nom. - I have a rehearsal today for a concert on Sunday, so will have to see how far I get. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, could you add an inline citation for "1970s"? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 08:45, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 is now 202 characters. I prefer trimming "F minor, Op. 114". Right now there are too many links and it is hard to understand because of too much information. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the Piano Concerto in F minor by Max Reger, dedicated to Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) who played the premiere in Leipzig in 1910, was first recorded by the American pianist Rudolf Serkin in 1959? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Good to go with ALT2! --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the Piano Concerto in F minor by Max Reger, dedicated to Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) who played the premiere in Leipzig in 1910, was first recorded by the American pianist Rudolf Serkin in 1959? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 is now 202 characters. I prefer trimming "F minor, Op. 114". Right now there are too many links and it is hard to understand because of too much information. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt and Coffeeandcrumbs: While the hook has an interesting core, I'd wager that it still has far too much information to parse for most readers. Normally, this is something I would simply take care of in prep, but I'll extend the courtesy of floating my version here instead. Every piece has at least one key, as well as at least one composer. We've also tried the "first recorded much later" angle several times; it doesn't seem to be very catchy. How about:
- ALT3: ... that Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) premiered the "Piano Concerto" dedicated to her in 1910?
theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 14:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- If Gerda Arendt is in agreement, I would want to see the name of the composer put back in, "in 1910" moved to right after "premiered", and the quotation marks removed from Piano Concerto as that is not how untitled compositions are written. @theleekycauldron
- --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I'm willing to work with that :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT3a: ... that in 1910, Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured) premiered Max Reger's Piano Concerto, which was dedicated to her?
- Sorry, that's way to common that a work is dedicated to the first performer to be of interest. That a German work is first recorded by an American is unusual, and several sources remember that first recording even if about other recordings or performances: 1) "The soloist, Peter Serkin, however was stellar throughout and played thrillingly in what was also a poetic continuation of his late father’s work. Rudolf Serkin took on Reger’s F minor concerto for a 1959 recording with conductor Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra." (2016), 2) "This was for a long time the property of Busch’s son-in-law, Rudolf Serkin, insofar as it was anyone’s. His CBS recording of it was really the only way one could hear it." (2006), 3) Rudolf Serkin was a strong advocate of the Piano Concerto (Sony should prepare a new transfer of his CBS recording ..." (1998). It's a legendary recording worth telling the world. Those readers for whom it would be too much could just look at the pic. - Thank you for the courtesy to discuss. - I was out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- Trying to please:
- ALT2... that the 1910 Piano Concerto by Max Reger was first played by Frieda Kwast-Hodapp (pictured), and first recorded by the American pianist Rudolf Serkin in 1959? But why we would drop the minor key, the dedication and Leipzig I don't know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 4
WCPN
- ... that one listener was shocked to hear "Erotic City" instead of contemporary Christian music on an Ohio radio station? Source: "Christian radio station changes format: WZLE now belts out pop, rock". May 22, 1999. The Morning Journal. Lorain, Ohio. p. D1.
- ALT1: ... that readers of The Plain Dealer disagreed with a favorable 2002 review of the Tivoli Audio PAL as it could not reliably tune in an Ohio radio station? Source: "More tales of Tivoli tuners". October 10, 2002. The Plain Dealer. Cleveland, Ohio. p. E10.
- Reviewed: QPQ exempt
Improved to Good Article status by Nathan Obral (talk). Self-nominated at 06:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC).
Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Nathan Obral: Good article but I feel as if you could choose a better hook. These hooks are ok but I feel as if better ones could be made. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: I wrote ALT0 while trying to help Nathan figure out a good hook (I didn't do any substantive edits on the actual article). A lot of the options here are wordy and boring. I have experience with hooks like this and how to avoid them. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Nathan Obral:
Well, it's certainly a shame this has languished so – let's take look. New enough, positively massive, neutral, and plagiarism-free; a little concerned about the use of Fybush.com as a source, it looks like a selfpubbed blog. Not a big fan of either of the hooks; the first is a listener complain, I imagine those aren't uncommon, even if this does get a few clicks by bringing up sexuality and religion. The second seems to fall a little flat. QPQ is not required, so it seems we've got a few small issues to work out. Great job so far! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 5
Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission
- ... that after a deputy tased a woman, and then sent her a cake that said "Sorry I Tased You" in blue frosting, the Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission placed him on probation? Source: A Florida's woman's lawsuit says a deputy shot her with a stun gun, then apologized with a cake that said, "Sorry I Tased You" in blue frosting.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jim Sheddan
- Comment: I sometimes work with an IP editor who writes nice articles and then gets me to nominate those at DYK. I think this is the third such occasion. See my talk page for the relevant conversation. This is the first time that the IP has reviewed another article (this is ongoing) and I shall keep an eye on it to make sure everything gets done. With regards to the hook, it's as suggested by the IP minus the word "allegedly" (i.e. deputy allegedly tased) as it put the hook over the character limit and I felt that the taser action itself wasn't questions; after all, it is what the deputy apologised for. And here's a report that gives a slightly different version of what happened.
Moved to mainspace by Schwede66 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:43, 5 December 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: Glad to see the IP/Schwede66 duo is still doing great work. In this context, I think the IP's initial inclusion of "alleged" is required by the BLP standard WP:SUSPECT, as the commission has punitive powers but is not itself a court. Even if it isn't, I think the relatively recent character of the misconduct and appearance on the main page merits an increased degree of caution. Again, glad to see this very thorough IP editor and Schwede66 collaborating. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Decided to just go ahead and review this one. I'll accept Schwede66's reasoning for excluding the word "alleged" on the basis that the officer involved admitted to the action and that the action was not necessarily an illegal one, but rather poor discipline. QPQ performed by IP, hook is interesting, hook is sourced in article, and article is in a sufficiently advanced state that makes it worthy of DYK. Nice job. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Schwede66 and Pbritti:
I'm not so sure – WP:DYK#gen4a says that
Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided.
(emphasis in original) even if it does fall afoul of WP:SUSPECT, it would seem to me that it's undue negative focus on the deputy, given that they haven't been convicted. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:47, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Schwede66 and Pbritti:
- @Theleekycauldron: If you're sufficiently concerned that this stumbles on the
unduly
standard, I do want to defer to your judgement. I think there are plenty of other factoids that we could derive from this article for a DYK. Unfortunately, I think a previous DYK from the same IP editor similarly hit on some of the same problems. Let me know if I can help further. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:52, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: If you're sufficiently concerned that this stumbles on the
- ALT1 ... the Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission investigated a deputy who had allegedly tased a woman, and then sent her a cake that said "Sorry I Tased You" in blue frosting?
- Just wondering whether this ALT1 is any less negative, Theleekycauldron? Schwede66 23:03, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Schwede66 and Pbritti: howzabout something like these? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that according to the Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission, the majority of Florida officers disciplined for excessive force keep their jobs? (needs to be added)
- ALT3: ... that in 2002, the Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission disciplined over 300 officers, decertifying over 100?
- I prefer ALT3 of the options presented, as it presents a clear date, a verifiable factoid, and does not chance the singling-out of an non-convicted individual. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I prefer something that mentions the markedly more hook-worthy cake that is the "focus" of the original hook. The fact that the rule uses the phrase "the focus" rather than "any mention" is important, I believe.
- I prefer ALT3 of the options presented, as it presents a clear date, a verifiable factoid, and does not chance the singling-out of an non-convicted individual. ~ Pbritti (talk) 06:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- Just wondering whether this ALT1 is any less negative, Theleekycauldron? Schwede66 23:03, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- First -- The focus here is not IMHO something "unduly negative". The focus here is rather the "exceedingly odd" bit about the sending of the cake - leading a reader to want to read more. As to what is a hook where the "focus" is unduly negative - an example could be this one .. though it just ran a couple of weeks ago as a DYK. "Did you know... that Craig Greenberg was shot at while running in the 2022 Louisville mayoral election?" Template:Did you know nominations/Craig Greenberg. Pinging User:RoySmith, who may have thoughts, as he promoted that DYK.
- Second -- Wikipedia:DYKHOOK states: "When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article – as long as they don't misstate the article content." 2603:7000:2143:8500:3484:A520:5DBA:2ACC (talk) 06:43, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- I really don't like this hook. The negative aspects aside, the interesting part (the sending of the cake) has nothing to do with the main subject of the article. In fact, a good chunk of the article is just a laundry list of cases the commission has investigated. It's all just trivia. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. What are your thoughts on the "focus .. unduly" negative issue, in light of the analytical template you used in the "Greenberg was shot at "DYK?"2603:7000:2143:8500:2992:7305:2C19:C33E (talk) 04:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- That latest query refers to Wikipedia:Recent_additions#4_December_2022 but to me, that's Wikipedia:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments. Anyway, both ALT2 or ALT3 work for me. Schwede66 20:32, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- what if the hook simply doesn't mention the alleged tasing? it seems redundant, given the description of the cake. in addition, since it also appears that the deputy merely sent the woman a photo of such a cake, it might be better to avoid mentioning either the alleged tasing or the alleged cake sending. (this gizmodo source appears to corroborate what was mentioned in the vocativ source about the origin of the cake.)
dying (talk) 09:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)alt4: ... that the Florida Criminal Justice Standards & Training Commission reviewed a case in which a deputy sent a woman a photo of a cake with the words "Sorry I Tased You" in blue frosting?
- what if the hook simply doesn't mention the alleged tasing? it seems redundant, given the description of the cake. in addition, since it also appears that the deputy merely sent the woman a photo of such a cake, it might be better to avoid mentioning either the alleged tasing or the alleged cake sending. (this gizmodo source appears to corroborate what was mentioned in the vocativ source about the origin of the cake.)
- That latest query refers to Wikipedia:Recent_additions#4_December_2022 but to me, that's Wikipedia:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments. Anyway, both ALT2 or ALT3 work for me. Schwede66 20:32, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 7
Gother Mann
- ... that Gother Mann (pictured) commanded a small body of militia on Dominica in a losing fight against a superior French invasion force in 1778?
- ALT1 ... that several of Gother Mann's plans for fortifying Canada are preserved in the British Library and the Canadian archives?
1778? Source: (1) https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dictionary_of_National_Biography,_1885-1900/Mann,_Gother (2) https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-17944
- Reviewed: N/A
- Comment: I've only nominated 3 articles for DYK without doing a QPQ, so this is my last freebie
Created by Ficaia (talk). Self-nominated at 03:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC).
Article long enough, new enough, and generally appropriately referenced. QPQ is indeed not needed yet. Reliable sources are used properly throughout the article, and the hook is cited and mentioned in the article. Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. Can't seem to notice any significant copyvio, so good to go. Taung Tan (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Ficaia and Taung Tan:
As text copied from the public domain does not count for DYK prose purposes, this article fails DYK's 1500-character length minimum. Could the article be rephrased or expanded? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 13:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I'll work on expanding the article. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 00:16, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 8
The Virgin in Prayer
![The Virgin in Prayer by Giovanni Battista Salvi da Sassoferrato](https://web.archive.org/web/20230116054001im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Sassoferrato_-_Jungfrun_i_b%C3%B6n.jpg/125px-Sassoferrato_-_Jungfrun_i_b%C3%B6n.jpg)
- ... that the blue garment in The Virgin in Prayer (pictured) is colorised by an ultramarine made from lapis lazuli, which was a highly cost pigment to be painted in such this art? Source: "The bright lighting combined with the impenetrable dark background makes the blue of the her robes especially brilliant. Sassferrato has used ultramarine for these. Made from lapis lazuli, a semi-precious stone mined in north-eastern Afghanistan, ultramarine was the most expensive of blue pigments, and highly prized for its intense colour." National Gallery
Created by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 01:00, 8 December 2022 (UTC).
@JeBonSer: It's new and long enough, each paragraph has a citation, but watch your wording, there's a 26% similarity on EarWig for use of the same phrases like
coloured robes and sculpted facial features
,Reformers of the Roman Catholic Church advocated a more personal approach to worship
,made from lapis lazuli, a semi-precious stone mined
.- The article could also use some light copy-editing and toning down of the the descriptions in Wikipedia's voice; the description is very flowery at times.
her flawless porcelain-like skin lends a sculptural quality to the painting and makes the audience feel to be in her real presence
;radiant
,luminous
,more brilliant
,brilliantly elegant
etc. - My main concern is that isn't this true for most medieval and renaissance paintings of the Virgin Mary? I'm not sure it's particularly "hooky" to say that this painting of Mary uses Marian blue like so many others?
- I think also I'd like to see a few more reliable, independent sources (i.e., not just on museum websites) to confirm that this painting is WP:NOTABLE. Is newliturgicalmovement.org a reliable source about art history? I see that an article in The Burlington Magazine talks about the painting: (JSTOR 882464), perhaps this can be incorporated into the article.
- The hook is properly formatted (although I might reword it if this is the final angle we end up on; the syntax is a bit off to me, e.g.,
which was a highly cost pigment to be painted in such this art
, and this use ofcolorised
also doesn't seem like the most obvious verb)., 164 characters, and there are no issues with the image. - Can you try to come up with any alternative hooks? Umimmak (talk) 23:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that in the 17th-century, The Virgin in Prayer (pictured) by Sassoferrato was one of the most common subject in religious painting in Christian Europe? Source: "Sixteenth-century reformers of the Roman Catholic Church advocated a more personal approach to worship, placing great emphasis on individual contemplation. By the seventeenth century, the subject of the Virgin alone and at prayer had become very common." National Gallery. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 05:30, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JeBonSer: Again, the issue I’m having is that this isn’t particularly unique to this painting. It’s not particularly surprising to read that the Virgin Mary was a common subject Italian art in the Baroque era given the strong relation of Roman Catholicism to all three of these topics, and that hook says nothing particularly exciting about this painting. Do you have responses to the other issues I raised? Umimmak (talk) 05:43, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
@JeBonSer: Hi there, sorry to interrupt; how about that ultramarine is made of a stone from Afghanistan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradise Chronicle (talk • contribs) 03:52, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- @JeBonSer and Paradise Chronicle: as Umimmak points out, ultramarine was a pretty common colour for paintings of the time. If a hook can't be agreed upon in a week, I'd say that this nom should probably be marked for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the inconvenience as I have my wikibreak for these past days. I have my other suggested hook which you can agree:
* ALT2: ... that The Virgin in Prayer (pictured) was acquired by the National Gallery in the mid-19th-century as the London art world had a renewed interest of its artist? Source: "This picture and The Virgin in Prayer were both acquired by the National Gallery in the mid-nineteenth century, when Sassoferrato’s star was high in the London art world." National Gallery. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 04:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the inconvenience as I have my wikibreak for these past days. I have my other suggested hook which you can agree:
Articles created/expanded on December 9
Beezer Brothers
- ... that American architect Michael J. Beezer, designer of the Larabie Brothers Bank in Deer Lodge, Montana, was honored by making its first deposit on opening day in 1912? Source: "The honor of making the first deposit went to the architect supervisor of the building construction, M.J. Beezer of Seattle, Washington." from ref 8, the NRHP nom form for Deer Creek Historic District.
Created by MB (talk) and Doncram (talk). Nominated by MB (talk) at 19:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Not sure if hook can be considered interesting enough (I very rarely look at DYK), so would prefer another reviewer to comment. — Voice of Clam 17:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @MB and Voice of Clam: I would say that asking for a new hook is probably best. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron Voice of Clam MB ALT1 ... that the Beezer Brothers built Baker Boyer Bank as Walla Walla, Washington's first skyscraper? SL93 (talk) 23:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the Beezer Brothers designed buildings with clay tile in place of steel for better performance during fires?
- I'm OK with any of these. MB 23:25, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Approve ALT2 as cited and interesting :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:00, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron, Aoidh, MB, and Voice of Clam: This has major copyright issues. I'm amazed that it got as far as a queue (when I yanked it) without somebody noticing. Earwig gives it a 43.5%, which itself is a pretty high number, so worthy of looking deeper. What I found was that it's much worse than just the literal copy-pastes. Take a look at these two passages:
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The pair frequently acted as construction managers in addition to architects on their projects where they oversaw daily, on-site, work activities, work that is usually performed by construction firms.
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The Beezer Brothers actively supervised building sites, acting as construction managers as well as architects for their far flung commissions. At their firm’s height, these commissions extended as far north as Alaska, and as far south as Hollywood, California. As construction managers, the Beezer Brothers oversaw daily, on-site, work activities. Usually this work is contracted to construction firms.
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- Earwig only picked up on
oversaw daily, on-site, work activities
but the rest of the paragraph is almost as bad, just changing a few words here or there, i.e. close paraphrasing. There's a lot of other example of close paraphrasing, but this one looks like the worst. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on December 10
Ludwig's subathon
- ... that Ludwig Ahgren livestreamed for 31 days instead of 24 hours due to his appendectomy? Source: https://legacy.upcomer.com/video-shattering-records-in-his-sleep-how-ludwigs-subathon-broke-twitch/
ALT1: ... that "thousands of viewers" watched Ludwig Ahgren shower during his 31-day continuous livestream?Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/twitch-streamer-ludwig-never-ending-stream/100017600- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Starbucks Red Cup
Improved to Good Article status by PerfectSoundWhatever (talk). Self-nominated at 01:22, 10 December 2022 (UTC).
Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: @PerfectSoundWhatever: Good article. Article is sourced and the hook is interesting. Just waiting on a QPQ now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redoing the @PerfectSoundWhatever:. Note to Onegreatjoke — pings don't work if you don't sign the post in the same edit. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Can't believe I forgot to sign my post. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm watching this page so no worries, still saw the review! Thank you for the ping anyways. Will get the QPQ done soon. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 05:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: QPQ done. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 16:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Alright, approving. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have checked this one out and it is ready to be promoted. Presently prep 3 has 4 male hooks, so it will have to wait. Bruxton (talk) 01:42, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever, Bruxton, and RoySmith:
I've pulled this from prep following a discussion at WT:DYK that identified a sourcing question – also, consensus on a hook should be achieved before repromotion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll make a list of the current proposed hooks:
- ALT0 ... that Ludwig Ahgren's planned 24-hour livestream was postponed – so he continuously livestreamed for 31 days instead? source
- ALT1 ... that Ludwig Ahgren livestreamed for 31 days after his 24-hour livestream was postponed by his appendectomy? source
- ALT2 ... that Ludwig Ahgren grossed US$1,434,850 for continuously livestreaming his life for 31 days? source
- ALT3 ...that Ludwig Ahgren showered on camera during his 31-day continuous livestream? source
- ALT0 and 1 are similar. They are sourced on Upcomer, which is reliable based on the weak consensus at WP:VG/S, but ALT1 was objected since RoySmith beleived Upcomer isn't good enough for a BLP's medical history. ALT0 omits the medical aspect. Note that a video made by Ahgren confirms the appendectomy and that it was why he postponed the stream, which is complaint with WP:ABOUTSELF. The objection to ALT2 is that it is sourced on ScreenRant which, per WP:RSP, is
considered reliable for entertainment-related topics, but should not be used for controversial statements related to living persons
. I disagree what it sources (the amount of money he grossed) is controversial, especially since he shared the figure in a video. If a third party checks these hooks and finds that all of the sourcing issues are justified, I will look for new hooks afterwards. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 18:20, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT0 and 1 are similar. They are sourced on Upcomer, which is reliable based on the weak consensus at WP:VG/S, but ALT1 was objected since RoySmith beleived Upcomer isn't good enough for a BLP's medical history. ALT0 omits the medical aspect. Note that a video made by Ahgren confirms the appendectomy and that it was why he postponed the stream, which is complaint with WP:ABOUTSELF. The objection to ALT2 is that it is sourced on ScreenRant which, per WP:RSP, is
Muhammad Musa'ad
- ... that academician Muhammad Musa'ad was barred from running as a candidate in the Papuan gubernatorial election due to his Arabic ancestry? Source: 1) Group, International Crisis (23 March 2006). "Papua: The Dangers of Shutting Down Dialogue". International Crisis Group: 8–9. 2) Mietzner, Marcus (October 2007). "Local Elections and Autonomy in Papua and Aceh: Mitigating or Fueling Secessionism?". Indonesia. 84 (84): 9–13.
Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 05:46, 10 December 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: @Jeromi Mikhael: Good article. will assume good faith on the indonesian sources. Just waiting on a QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:56, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Jeromi Mikhael: any plans to provide a QPQ? I can give one myself if you're unable to do so :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:19, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke and Theleekycauldron: I've added a QPQ on the DYK. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Kanzuri
- ... that in order to make kanzuri, a Japanese chili paste, pickled peppers need to be laid out on snow to dry during the coldest part of the year? Source: Source: [10] (かんずりの仕込みは、大寒(1月20日前後)に、塩漬けにした唐辛子を一度雪の上にさらして天日干しにする「寒ざらし」からおこなわれる。別名「雪さらし」ともいわれ、真っ白な雪の上にあざやかな赤色の唐辛子がきれいに並べられる。)
- ALT1: ... that kanzuri is often used as a "great supporting actor" and even "secret ingredient" by Japanese chefs and restaurateurs? Source: Source: [11] (「香辛料は必ずしもなければならないものではないけれど、使うことで料理がより深い味になります。つまり『かんずり』は、料理をさりげなく引き立てる“名バイプレイヤー(脇役)”。特に、脂っぽい料理は中和されてさっぱりと食べられると評判ですし、料理の隠し味としても使われています」と邦昭さん。とある高級料理店からは「うちで隠し味に使っているので、近隣の料理店には卸さないでほしい」と直談判されたエピソードもあるとか。)
- ALT2: ... that the traditional method of drying out peppers used in the making of kanzuri in the snow is a popular tourist attraction in Niigata Prefecture? Source: Source: [12] (有限会社かんずりでは、毎年1月20日前後の大寒の日を「雪さらし(仕事)はじめ」とし、3月上旬まで15回ほど「雪さらし」が行われます。雪の白と唐辛子の赤、そして晴れた日の青空のコントラストが美しいと、いつ頃からかアマチュアカメラマンをはじめとする見学者が集まるようになり、今ではこの地の冬の風物詩として多くの人に親しまれています)
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ coming soon...
Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Interesting article and subject. A few sources are blog-like in nature, but they appear reliable based on the credentials of the author or the fact that the publisher is reliable, and the information used have been written in a neutral manner. In this oldid, citation 10 is a press release, and citation 12 is an anonymous blog, but their usage for referencing is minimal. If WP:RS is an issue, the two citations could be removed, and it would not impact the reliability of the article. @CurryTime7-24: Note that there are instances where "kanzuri" is misspelled as "kanzari". —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 04:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing my DYK! Please give me until tomorrow to fix the shortcomings you pointed out. I've been short on free time the last week since it's Christmastide. But will have more time starting tomorrow (PST). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:37, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- No worries with the additional time needed! —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 15:29, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: how's this going? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:20, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry. Been short on time on account of Christmastide/New Year's. What little time I've had available for editing was spent tripling the size of the article for Galina Pisarenko in order to salvage its attendant DYK nomination. Will get back to work on kanzuri later today or tomorrow—promise! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Well... any progress? BorgQueen (talk) 17:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Been a busy month so far. Working on this right now finally. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 11
Elizabeth Mary Wells
- ... that Elizabeth Mary Wells fitted a girl for a prosthetic arm for Christmas, having cut it off six years earlier?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Stephen Paduano
- Comment: for Christmas
Moved to mainspace by Lauraosull (talk). Nominated by Kingsif (talk) at 23:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new enough and long enough, is neutral and is plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting. QPQ is done. However, in terms of sourcing - the majority of those mentioned seem to be primary sources from the Church Missionary Society (which I can't access), and one secondary source Europeans in East Africa (which is about her husband). I'm concerned that although the article is well-written and detailed, it depends too much on primary material which does not necessarily establish her own notability. (I am loathe to say this, as most of the pages I start are for women!) I think to approve it, I'd need to hear which of the Church Missionary Society sources contribute to her notability, not just background to her life. Also, the page needs to be de-orphaned, there's two citations missing, the quotes need attributions, and it needs some categories adding. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:10, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: While I looked over the article and am confident of two independent sources for GNG, I don't have any knowledge of the sources you ask about. The article is a WikiEd product that the student is still working on, and I don't want to mess with their "work" until their class is over. It is a stupid system, but at least we have a well-written article in this case. I, separately, don't think being an orphan or uncategorised is a barrier to DYK. But if there are outstanding issues, I probably can't address them. Happy for this to be closed if that's the case, and I'll either find another article to nom or ask to use another of mine for the Christmas set. Kingsif (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Kingsif - which were the two sources you'd identifed for GNG? (In hope I can change my mind!) I just looked at the toolkit the new editors are given, and they don't get told about article categories or de-orphaning, so I can see better why that's not been done. The course page says the final week ended 10 December, so I think we can help and it be OK - @Helaine (Wiki Ed):, @Brianda (Wiki Ed):, @Ian (Wiki Ed):, @Breamk: what do you think? Lajmmoore (talk) 10:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Just leaving a tag for @Lauraosull: & the message I left on their talk page here. If you could leave a note on the sources that prove notability here, that would be great! Lajmmoore (talk) 14:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: In this edit I note which sources I thought fit, but also that the urls are all student-user log-ins, and are time-restricted. Needs work, there, too. Kingsif (talk) 00:27, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Kingsif - which were the two sources you'd identifed for GNG? (In hope I can change my mind!) I just looked at the toolkit the new editors are given, and they don't get told about article categories or de-orphaning, so I can see better why that's not been done. The course page says the final week ended 10 December, so I think we can help and it be OK - @Helaine (Wiki Ed):, @Brianda (Wiki Ed):, @Ian (Wiki Ed):, @Breamk: what do you think? Lajmmoore (talk) 10:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Reopened due to incomplete sourcing and notability concerns.[13] Gatoclass (talk) 13:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- I have given it a very thorough copyedit. The only outstanding issue is the same thing I mentioned the first time, @Lauraosull:; that many of the refs point to urls that are student-login blocked (i.e. if you used school access and just copied the url, nobody else can see it). Is it possible for you to re-access the sources and change the refs to have general bibliographic detail (how you would cite it in a term paper) - preferably including page numbers where the sources are long or detailed. Kingsif (talk) 05:29, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Momentum Party
- ... that after being expelled from the Labour Party for alleging bullying in Parliament, Gaurav Sharma started the centrist Momentum Party? Source: expulsion new party reveal
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Not too confident on the hook.
Moved to mainspace by FunIsOptional (talk). Self-nominated at 08:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC).
No close paraphrasing, which is good. The article is exceedingly small (only some 400 characters above the minimum), and the notability is quite unclear (someone added a tag to this effect). The hook seems verified, but it isn't quite that interesting (at the moment, it basically summarizes the article), and it bugs me that it fails to clarify the context, specifically which country's Labour Party/parliament. Dahn (talk) 07:15, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Isaac Hill
- ... that newspaper editor Isaac Hill (pictured) regarded the federalist opposition to the War of 1812 as treasonous? Source: Bradley, 1835, pp. 33-34
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chekri Ganem
- Comment: Statement and source supporting hook are found in the last sentence of the 'Journalist and editor' section
5x expanded by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 01:12, 19 December 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Expansion of the article began on Decemner 11. The article was 2037 characters of prose before the article was expanded, and was 10906 on December 18, which is slightly more than a 5x expansion of prose. No copyvio detected, hook is interesting and AGF on source. No concerns here; good to go. - Aoidh (talk) 06:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC) - Aoidh (talk) 06:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Article contains too-close paraphrasing. Compare for example "Hill became an active participant in the Dartmouth College case, involving Constitutional amendments which would effect corporate law lending his support to the action taken by the state, and did all he could to keep the controversy alive until it assumed proportions which would continued to effect local politics for nearly a half century" with "he became an active participant in the Dartmouth College case, supporting the action of the state and fanning the flames of controversy until it assumed proportions which affected local politics for almost half a century". Nikkimaria (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Oh no, thanks for catching that, I think I over-relied on Earwig here and didn't think to check the sources with that level of scrutiny. - Aoidh (talk) 18:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Aoidh and Nikkimaria: — Actually, while there are a couple of phrases that are similar, one involving only a general statement, much has been quoted here that doesn't involve close-paraphrasing,. Here is what was quoted, with the similar text in bold. All else does not involve close-paraphrasing.
- "Hill became an active participant in the Dartmouth College case, involving Constitutional amendments which would effect corporate law lending his support to the action taken by the state, and did all he could to keep the controversy alive until it assumed proportions which would continued to effect local politics for nearly a half century".
- It should be noted also that the source involved is in the public domain and offered as a free download from archive.org, so there are no copyright issues involved here. I double checked the article with Earwig's Copyvio Detector which shows no more issues. I will correct the couple of incidents involving close paraphrasing. Apologies, and thanks for looking out. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- The portion you've bolded is essentially identical, but close paraphrasing involves more than just identical text - see WP:CLOP more information. Keep in mind that Earwig will catch only identical text, and only for materials which it is able to index. Even material copied from public domain texts needs to be properly attributed, but what leads you to believe this source is PD? Multiple editions of the work appear to have had their copyright renewed. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Aoidh and Nikkimaria: — As I said, the portion I bolded, a couple short general phrases, was identical, all the other text quoted was not. In any case, the source is available for download at archive.org. There is nothing there that indicates that the particular source I used is copyrighted. If it still had a copyright archive.org would not offer it up for a free unrestricted download, or they would be facing legal issues. Is the text in question okay in your opinion now? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:53, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- IA is indeed facing legal issues, and even if it were not, being freely available on the web does not mean the text is suitably licensed for inclusion here. Thus it is necessary to ensure adequate paraphrasing, beyond the single example presented above. Here is an additional example: "a lengthy and energetic political commentary on the current trend of national affairs, and gave his support to a strict construction of state reforms, favored rotation in office, economy, and advocated democratic simplicity" vs "a lengthy and vigorous commentary on the trend of national affairs in support of strict construction, rotation in office, economy, and democratic simplicity". While this is not the word-for-word copying that would be caught by Earwig, it does constitute close paraphrasing per WP:CLOP. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: — Virtually every large institution faces legal issues at one time or another, including Wikipedia, Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc, which by itself doesn't conclude anything in terms of whether a given publication is copyrighted. For any copyright issue to stand, the material in question has to have an appreciable amount of actual copying involved, not just a general phrase here or there. However, I appreciate your concern and will not contend matters any further, and will make efforts to remedy issues here. I'm only hoping that 'some' general phrases are allowed, esp when they involve simple points. Once again, thanks for your efforts in keeping Wikipedia above board. Happy New Year. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:19, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Close paraphrasing has been fixed. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately it has not. Here is another example of closely paraphrased content: "but as a faithful supporter of Jackson he instead received a recess appointment as second comptroller of the treasury in 1829, serving until April 1830, when the Senate refused confirmation of his appointment, much to the disappointment of President Jackson, but to the satisfaction of former President Adams, who considered him to be a profligate libeler" vs "but as an ardent supporter of Jackson he received in 1829 a recess appointment as second comptroller of the treasury. Closing out his interests in the Patriot, he served until April 1830, when the Senate refused confirmation of his appointment, greatly to the indignation of President Jackson and the satisfaction of former President Adams, who classed him as a profligate libeler". But I want to emphasize that this is an example only: there is a need here for a more comprehensive revision to address issues throughout the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- Then how would one say that Hill was a strong supporter of Jackson who received a recess appointment, and later the Senate refused confirmation of his appointment, which disappointed President Jackson? These are all simple yet important points that make the overall statement comprehensive. If there is anyway to mention Hill's strong/ardent/faithful support of Jackson, "recess appointment", "Jackson's subsequent disappointment", Senate refusal, etc, without "too close paraphrasing" I'd like to see it, to get a better idea of relating these basic points. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 01:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria and Gwillhickers: how would something like this go re: CLOP? "In 1829, Hill received a recess appointment to serve as comptroller of the treasury. He remained in the position until April 1830, leaving the position following the Senate's refusal to confirm him to the position when he was nominated. The decision not to confirm Hill, a strong supporter of Andrew Jackson, drew Jackson's ire." — Preceding unsigned comment added by theleekycauldron (talk • contribs)
- @Theleekycauldron and Nikkimaria: — Theleekycauldron, thanks for your help. It looks okay to me, but we should also mention an important point of context, somewhere in your last sentence, that Hill was a strong/ardent/faithful/passionate (take your pick) supporter of Jackson. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would imagine that the phrase "a strong supporter of Andrew Jackson" accomplishes that quite nicely :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:00, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron and Nikkimaria: — Theleekycauldron, thanks for your help. It looks okay to me, but we should also mention an important point of context, somewhere in your last sentence, that Hill was a strong/ardent/faithful/passionate (take your pick) supporter of Jackson. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria and Gwillhickers: how would something like this go re: CLOP? "In 1829, Hill received a recess appointment to serve as comptroller of the treasury. He remained in the position until April 1830, leaving the position following the Senate's refusal to confirm him to the position when he was nominated. The decision not to confirm Hill, a strong supporter of Andrew Jackson, drew Jackson's ire." — Preceding unsigned comment added by theleekycauldron (talk • contribs)
- Then how would one say that Hill was a strong supporter of Jackson who received a recess appointment, and later the Senate refused confirmation of his appointment, which disappointed President Jackson? These are all simple yet important points that make the overall statement comprehensive. If there is anyway to mention Hill's strong/ardent/faithful support of Jackson, "recess appointment", "Jackson's subsequent disappointment", Senate refusal, etc, without "too close paraphrasing" I'd like to see it, to get a better idea of relating these basic points. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 01:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: — As per the rest of the article, I'm seeing no issues that go beyond the usage of general phrases of basic points found in sources, used in the context of my own wording, and no copyright issues. Yours and other opinions on that note would be most welcomed. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:50, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 17
Woman to Woman (campaign)
- ... that Harriet Harman's Pink Bus was originally said to have been magenta or fuchsia? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2015-32498961
- ALT1: ... that there was some debate whether or not Harriet Harman's campaign bus was pink, magenta or fuchsia? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-2015-32498961
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first ever nomination. I thought I should try it out.
Created by Moondragon21 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:44, 18 December 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Article covers all the necessary criteria for DYK. Confirmed QPQ not required (user has 4 previous credits but first time nominating themselves). Happy to pass this one. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Moondragon21 and Sims2aholic8:
the article doesn't really make it clear what the debate actually is, or who said it to be magenta or fuchsia. Could more context be added? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron ... that Harriet Harman's Pink Bus was mocked by critics for resembling a Barbie bus, which was thought to be sexist and patronizing? SL93 (talk) 08:34, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 19
Interfaith greetings in Indonesia
- ... that interfaith greetings in Indonesia includes phrases from Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Confucianism? Source: https://news.detik.com/berita/d-4780302/jadi-polemik-ini-arti-salam-salam-agama-yang-biasa-dipakai-pejabat-ri
- ALT1: ... that widespread usage of interfaith greetings in Indonesia was criticized by East Java branch of Indonesian Ulema Council? Source: https://e-journal.stt-yestoya.ac.id/index.php/rhema/article/view/73
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ later, new article, CE will be greatly appreciated
Created by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 12:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC).
- A couple of comments, not a formal DYK review. The main hook should say "include" instead of "includes" because "greetings" is plural. Also, the article leaves several phrases untranslated, including "Hadirin yang berbahagia", "Salam sejahtera bagi kita semua", "om swastiastu", and "Adil Ka' Talino, Bacuramin Ka' Saruga, Basengat Ka'jubata". The only translation provided for "salam kebajikan" is "Wei De Dong Tian (惟德動天) in Chinese". It would be desirable to include an English translation of each of the greetings mentioned. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:10, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
- Regarding the hooks, as I mentioned above, the main hook should say "include" rather than "includes"; also, ALT1 should say "criticized by the East Java branch" instead of "criticized by East Java branch".
QPQ: - Not done
Overall: This article is about the practice of greetings used to open formal meetings in Indonesia, and these greetings come from Indonesian as well as other languages. For this article to be clear to English-speaking readers, all of the greetings mentioned in the article ought to be translated into English, and several of them have not been. (For DYK reference, ALT1 should be cited to https://www.dw.com/id/mui-jatim-sebut-salam-pembuka-semua-agama-bukan-wujud-toleransi/a-51196010 or another source; the criticism from the IUC is cited in the article but not at the URL above.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: It's been over a week since the nomination; a QPQ is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Apologize for late reply, the reason I did not translate it was that its hard for me personally to find accurate translations of these. But I will try, and also about the QPQ i will provide it soon. I really apologize for late reply, thank you for the review Nyanardsan (talk) 04:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Translated Nyanardsan (talk) 04:45, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
2018 China-African Union espionage allegations
- ... that in 2018 the Chinese government was accused of spying on the African Union for five years? Source: "But in January 2018, French newspaper Le Monde Afrique dropped a bombshell. [...] The newspaper, citing multiple sources, said that for five years, between the hours of midnight and 0200, data from the AU’s servers was transferred more than 8,000km away - to servers in Shanghai." [14]
- ALT1 ... that after erecting the African Union's headquarters, the Chinese government was accused in 2018 of spying on the building for five years? Same source and quote as other hook plus: "In 2006, Beijing pledged $200m to build the headquarters. Completed in 2012, everything was custom-built by the Chinese - including a state-of-the-art computer system." and "It was also reported that microphones and listening devices had been discovered in the walls and desks of the building, following a sweep for bugs."
- Reviewed: None – this is my second DYK nomination and I am therefore exempt from the QPQ requirement.
Moved to mainspace by Giraffer (talk). Self-nominated at 22:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC).
- Save this for April Fool's Day. I explain on Article talk page. What’s the Deal with Huawei and This African Union Headquarters Hack? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaribDigita (talk • contribs) 07:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- I've replied on the article talk page, but I strongly object to this being characterized as fake news. The incident is covered in multiple reliable and independent sources (BBC News, Le Monde, Financial Times, Reuters), and I've tried to word the article in a manner which does not state China's guilt as fact, but covers how China is alleged to have been responsible for the espionage.
- The linked source here explains how there are reasons why China may be guilty, and also reasons why they may not be. That is the point of describing these as allegations.
- Regardless, saving this for April Fools is frivolous. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 11:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Giraffer:
new enough, long enough, neutral, and plagiarism-free; there's an "unreliable source" tag that I agree needs to be addressed, but other than that, the sourcing for the background of the incident looks solid. After that, however, the reliability of the sources seems to get shakier. Also, I'm not sure if the April Fools' thing is an attempt at humour or something, but there's definitely solid reporting on the allegations. And that's not really what we use April Fools' day for (we couldn't let fake news sully our important lineup of obscure figures with well-known name fragments, in rem jurisdiction cases, and giant millipedes). The article doesn't actually say that the Chinese government was accused of spying, nor who did the accusing, so that'll need some work re: the hooks. Nominator is QPQ exempt, almost there! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:40, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, I've fixed the unreliable source (removed it, since the next inline source covers the relevant material). Re the allegations, they originally came from the Le Monde Afrique article, and later were supported by comments from AU officials which indicated that surveillance had occurred. I'm not really sure how to make that clear in the article beyond what's already been written in the lead and Reactions section. For the DYK, maybe specifying in the hook that it was Le Monde? e.g. something like "... that an article published by Le Monde Afrique in 2018 accused the Chinese government of spying on the African Union for five years? Giraffer (talk·contribs) 16:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Giraffer, could you point me to the sentence in the article as to who accuses the Chinese government of spying? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron,
In January 2018, French newspaper Le Monde Afrique published a story detailing how the headquarters of the African Union were being spied on by the Chinese government.
Perhaps counterintuitively, it's actually Le Monde who first accuse the Chinese government, and then there's a mixed reaction from the AU (denial vs. reluctant acceptance). I initially thought to title the page as a scandal rather than allegations, and in hindsight that may have been a better option. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 10:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC)- @Giraffer: Hmmmmm. Could we make it clearer that it's just the reporting of Le Monde, then, and not a hard fact? I'd also like to see the accusation placed in the timeline in the body of the article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:32, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron,
- Giraffer, could you point me to the sentence in the article as to who accuses the Chinese government of spying? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, I've fixed the unreliable source (removed it, since the next inline source covers the relevant material). Re the allegations, they originally came from the Le Monde Afrique article, and later were supported by comments from AU officials which indicated that surveillance had occurred. I'm not really sure how to make that clear in the article beyond what's already been written in the lead and Reactions section. For the DYK, maybe specifying in the hook that it was Le Monde? e.g. something like "... that an article published by Le Monde Afrique in 2018 accused the Chinese government of spying on the African Union for five years? Giraffer (talk·contribs) 16:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Cycling in Turkey
- ... that Kangal can gall cyclists in Turkey? Source: https://theradavist.com/one-last-trip-through-kangal-country-on-turkeys-elmali-plateau/
Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC).
- @Chidgk1: Your intended link for word 'Kangal' may be different? because in the article it seems to be different. Bookku (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
@Chidgk1: I'm not excessively fond of the article's choppy sections. Especially the history section — what does it mean by
Bikes were important to women in Turkey.
? Important because they were trendy? Good investment? Peer pressure? Needs clarifications. BorgQueen (talk) 15:10, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- Have clarified as much as I can but I only have access to the abstract in the cite. Combined some short sections. Thanks for comments. Hope you can do a complete review. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Not to be too picky for DYK, but likewise it feels as if things are missing with some of the sentences here: "The Ottomans cycled." (all Ottomans did?) "There is not much data." (about what?) "Cycling in Turkey is sometimes done for health reasons." (I feel that tends to be a motivation for cyclists everywhere? Also, it's not done for other reasons?) --GGT (talk) 01:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Have clarified as much as I can but I only have access to the abstract in the cite. Combined some short sections. Thanks for comments. Hope you can do a complete review. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
I'd like another reviewer to take a look. BorgQueen (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Doing... I'd be glad to take on this review further. Allow me a few days to go through the article and review it. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:58, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Bikes were important to women in Turkey as they helped the feminist movement towards the end of the Ottoman Empire
Doesn't make sense to me. Could you please add a little about how the bikes have helped the feminist movement then? Bikes being important to women does not by default mean it helps feminist movement. Women may or may not support the movement. ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I only have access to the abstract and it says "Fatma Aliye Topuz’s struggle for liberation was aided by the bicycle, a vehicle that became for her and for many other women across the Ottoman Middle East, a path of personal and social transformation. Bicycles were an important part of the emerging feminist movement in the region. Bicycles elicited curiosity and a desire by many to participate." so I changed the sentence to try and better summarize that. If you have a better summary feel free to change it. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
First Catilinarian conspiracy
- ... that modern sources believe that the first Catilinarian conspiracy was fake? Source: Wilson, Mark (2021). Dictator: the Evolution of the Roman dictatorship. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press. ISBN 978-0-472-12920-1. OCLC 1243162549. Page 303 , https://www.jstor.org/stable/4435521#metadata_info_tab_contents. page 441, and others.
Improved to Good Article status by Ifly6 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 22:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC).
— Article is long enough and promoted to GA, making it eligible for a DYK nomination. Hook is interesting, within prescribed limits, and is well sourced. Image has Creative Commons license. Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows only one similarity -- a quote. Suggestion: you might want to change the term "fake" to 'fictitious', which comes across more academic and is consistent with the language in the article. In any case, the article is good to go. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:28, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke and Gwillhickers:
I can't access all of the sources, but given the number of citations on this claim, I gotta ask – do any of the sources directly claim a consensus of modern scholars, or is the article editorially assessing consensus of the sources on its own? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:53, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke and Gwillhickers:
- Well I would have to ask Ifly6 for that answer. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- It is the consensus of modern scholars that the First Catilinarian conspiracy did not happen:
Seager 1964, p. 338 n. 1. "It is now widely held that the conspiracy is wholly fictitious"
;Berry, DH (2020). Cicero's Catilinarians. New York. p. 17. ISBN 978-0-19-751081-0. OCLC 1126348418. "The 'first Catilinarian conspiracy' was accepted at face value by ancient and modern historians alike until the myth was exploded by Robin Seager and Ronald Syme (independently) in 1964"
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- Also, to be entirely clear about the scholarship and what I mean with "consensus", I don't mean "literally everyone". There was a paper published rather recently in 2021 which argued it did happen. This is not the consensus. That paper even says so:
First Catilinarian Conspiracy of 66-65 BC, described by Sallust at BC 18-19, is not ‘fiction’ (as is almost universally assumed)
(my emphasis).[a] Woodman, Anthony J (2021). "Sallust and Catiline: conspiracy theories". Historia. 70 (1): 55–68. doi:10.25162/historia-2021-0003. ISSN 0018-2311. Ifly6 (talk) 18:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Also, to be entirely clear about the scholarship and what I mean with "consensus", I don't mean "literally everyone". There was a paper published rather recently in 2021 which argued it did happen. This is not the consensus. That paper even says so:
Notes
- ^ Edit. I got a copy of Woodman 2021 from my library. In the body of the article on page 56, Woodman further concedes
the first Catilinarian conspiracy is dismised by almost every modern historian
and in footnote five thereat, he cites Seager 1964, Syme 1964, Waters 1970, Phillips 1976 ("fictitious"), Ramsey 1982 ("no basis in historical fact"), Crawford 1994 ("myth"), Lintott 1994 (a "direct lie"), Levick 2015, Tatum 2018 ("fictitious"), and Berry 2020 ("myth").
Articles created/expanded on December 20
Cold pad batch
- ... that cold pad batch is a sustainable dyeing method that uses less water and energy? Source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Sustainable_Apparel/rloiBQAAQBAJhl=en&gbpv=1&dq=cold+pad+batch&pg=PA147&printsec=frontcover
- ALT1: ... that cold pad batch is a cost-effective and environmentally friendly dyeing method that uses less water and energy than exhaust dyeing methods? Source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Sustainable_Apparel/rloiBQAAQBAJhl=en&gbpv=1&dq=cold+pad+batch&pg=PA147&printsec=frontcover
- ALT2: ... that cold pad batch is a salt-free dyeing that is a more sustainable way of coloring the cloths? Source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Sustainability_in_the_Textile_and_Appare/v1HaDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=cold+pad+batch&pg=PA50&printsec=frontcover
- ALT3: ...that cold pad batch is a salt-free dyeing method that consumes less water, steam, and energy than exhaust dyeing and creates less wastewater? Source:https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Sustainability_in_the_Textile_and_Appare/v1HaDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=cold+pad+batch&pg=PA50&printsec=frontcover
- ALT4: that the dyeing industry might be able to use less water when dyeing cotton with reactive dyes by switching to cold pad batching? Source:https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Sustainability_in_the_Textile_and_Appare/v1HaDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=cold+pad+batch&pg=PA50&printsec=frontcover
- ALT5: ... that the cold pad batch method could cut water consumption in dyeing cotton with reactive dyes in half? Source:https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Sustainability_in_the_Textile_and_Appare/v1HaDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=cold+pad+batch&pg=PA50&printsec=frontcover
- ALT6: ... that the cold pad batch method halves the amount of water needed to dye cotton with reactive dyes?
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 08:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC).
This nom ticks all the boxes. Article created less than a week ago. Long enough, in-line citations to scientific sources, no copyvio or inappropriate paraphrasing detected. Interesting hook. QPQ has been done. This is good to go. Topshelver (talk) 14:26, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- @RAJIVVASUDEV and Topshelver:
Couple things about the hook. First, less water and energy than what? Seems like a bit of a vague comparison. Second, while the fact is certainly neat, I'm not sure it's very hooky – like, it's fairly interesting, but I'm not sure I read that and think "oh, that's enticing, I want to know more". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron Appreciate your point. Updated ALT1. Kindly see if it works. Thanks RV (talk) 08:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @RV: That works for my first point, it provides good context, but I'm still not sure it's very hooky. I'll say that narratively, a good hook uses the encyclopedic format to tell part of a story – enough to get the reader interested in finishing the story by clicking through. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron: I have made the necessary changes. Please check if they suffice the purpose. Thanks RV (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron Hi! Gentle reminder. Thanks RV (talk) 16:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry! So swamped. These aren't terrible either, but I still don't see them as sufficiently "hooky". When you write a hook, think to yourself: "when a reader reads this, why do they want to know more?" Cliffhangers, oddballs, and seeming self-contradictions are great ways to get your readers to ask questions about the subject, for example. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 13:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron Please check? Thanks RV (talk) 13:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @RAJIVVASUDEV: now we're cooking! Unfortunately, I think that's a broader claim than the source is willing to make – not every fabric can be dyed with this method, so it can't halve the water output of the industry as a whole. Could the hook be adjusted? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron Fixed that. Thanks RV (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Added an ALT6? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron Fixed that. Thanks RV (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- @RAJIVVASUDEV: now we're cooking! Unfortunately, I think that's a broader claim than the source is willing to make – not every fabric can be dyed with this method, so it can't halve the water output of the industry as a whole. Could the hook be adjusted? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 12:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron Please check? Thanks RV (talk) 13:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry! So swamped. These aren't terrible either, but I still don't see them as sufficiently "hooky". When you write a hook, think to yourself: "when a reader reads this, why do they want to know more?" Cliffhangers, oddballs, and seeming self-contradictions are great ways to get your readers to ask questions about the subject, for example. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 13:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @RV: That works for my first point, it provides good context, but I'm still not sure it's very hooky. I'll say that narratively, a good hook uses the encyclopedic format to tell part of a story – enough to get the reader interested in finishing the story by clicking through. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @theleekycauldron Appreciate your point. Updated ALT1. Kindly see if it works. Thanks RV (talk) 08:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
ALT6'll need review, then :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:38, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 22
Chauncey Yellow Robe
- ... that Native American activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (pictured) denounced Wild West shows, and later starred in a 1930 film consisting solely of Native American actors? Source: Source for denouncing Wild West shows: [15]
- ALT1:
... that Rosebud Yellow Robe convinced her father, Native American activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (both pictured), to star in 1930 historical drama The Silent Enemy?Source: Page 264 [16] - ALT2: ... that Native American activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (pictured) was forced into a Pennsylvanian boarding school at 16, wearing "full Indian costume" and not knowing a word of English? Source: In his own words: [17]Same thing written on a form given to the school (Carlisle Indian Academy in PA): [18]
- ALT3:
... that in 1927, Native American activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (pictured) "adopted" President Calvin Coolidge into the Sioux tribe?Source [19] [20]- Reviewed:
- Comment: Hello and thank you for reviewing.
I am still quite new at submitting DYKs so I would appreciate constructive feedback.
I hope that the article has received enough expansion to qualify, and if not, I will happily research more to expand the article.
Yellow Robe's life is quite long and contains many anecdotes so I am also able to rephrase sentences or alter as needed. Created by Evedawn99 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC).
- Initial review. Hello and thank you for your hard work on an interesting article! Article is new enough and long enough (per DYK tool confirming 5x expansion since December 19). Reads well, neutral in tone, looks well sourced. QPQ is not required. Taking some extra time now to review each ALT hook. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:12, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
@Evedawn99: My questions and comments about the hooks are as follows:
- Re: ALT0, I think the article needs to explain a bit more (could be as little as 1–2 sentences) about why CYR denounced Wild West shows. (It's well explained in his essay, the full text of which I wasn't able to access through your link, but easily found elsewhere online.)
- Re: ALT1, it's ok but probably the weakest in the set (and it will likely drive more traffic to Rosebud rather than Chauncey).
- Re: ALT2, I'm not so sure about the use of the word "forced" – is that the right word? Also, could you add one or two reliable secondary sources to back up the claim, in addition to the primary source?
- Re: ALT3, I see that there's a "clarification needed" tag on this claim within the article. But it's definitely interesting, so would it be possible to add another source and/or fix this in the article as needed...?
Hope that all makes sense. Very excited to see this article, so really it's just a matter of fine-tuning the hooks (as well as how the information appears in the article). Cielquiparle (talk) 23:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Cielquiparle:! Thank you so much for your thorough and constructive review as well as the kind words! I am glad the article is of interest, is neutral, and has more than enough sources. Here are the revisions that I hope reflect your requests. Apologies for my possibly clunky editing as I have grown used to the visual editing tool. Thanks again! The Fonz (talk) 18:28, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ... that Native American activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (pictured) denounced Native American stereotypes in Wild West shows, and later starred in a 1930 film consisting solely of Native actors? Source: Source for denouncing Wild West shows: [21] There is also an image that would work for this.
- ALT1:
Deleted; I agree, it seems to put Rosebud in the spotlight. - ALT2a: ... that Native American activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (pictured) was abducted into a Pennsylvanian boarding school at 16, wearing "full Indian costume" and not knowing a word of English? Source: In his own words: [22]Same thing written on a form given to the school (Carlisle Indian Academy in PA): [23] [1] [2] *Added two secondary sources.*
- ALT3a: ... that in 1927, Native American activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (pictured) "adopted" President Calvin Coolidge into the Lakota Sioux tribe to thank him for the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act? Source [24] [25] "Calvin Coolidge and Native Americans". WHHA (en-US). Retrieved 2022-12-25. *I have read more about this and finally understood why this ceremony occurred! It's more multifaceted than I thought and seems to be one of the most fast-moving times of Yellow Robe's life and an interesting illustration of how he expressed his activism.*
- @Evedawn99: Thanks for your response. ALT3a is better; personally I think it would be even better with the word "supporting" so it reads "thank him for supporting the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act" (or perhaps "thank him for signing the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act into law").
- Unfortunately, I doubt the new image for ALT0/ALT0a is clear enough to run on the main page. Other issues related to ALT0/ALT0a: Article lacks a citation for casting "solely Native actors" and the Chief Buffalo Child Long Lance controversy; this is now tagged within the article and needs to be fixed. If it's important to attribute Atalie Unkalunt, where did she say it? (Or maybe it's not important to attribute the indirect quote to her, and you could modify the claim and choose another source.) ALT0a also repeats "Native/Native American" too much. What do you think of this:
- ALT0b: ... that Lakota Sioux activist Chauncey Yellow Robe (pictured) denounced Wild West shows, but later starred in a 1930 film playing an Ojibwe chief?
- Further comment is that regarding his objection to Wild West shows, my advice is to cite at least one or two secondary sources within the article that interpret "The Menace of the Wild West Show", rather than trying to interpret brief excerpts of the primary source yourself; the speech/essay is so famous, you have a lot of solid sources to choose from. A quick scan of other sources suggests that his objections had to do with the "demeaning portrayal" of Native Americans (e.g. "portrayal as savages" etc.), but also the fact that he was blaming the "Wild West schemes" themselves for perpetuating "drunkenness" (e.g., see Popular Culture Review).
- Regarding ALT2/2a, I still think the hooks are not quite right. Just so we're clear, Chauncey Yellow Robe's father gave his permission to have his two sons sent to Carlisle, even if it was against young Chauncey's will. (See the NYT obituary already cited within the article, or page 12 of this biography of Rosebud.) This is quite different from abduction, and in any case, in his writings as an adult, Chauncey was actually positive about the education he received. Looking at this fresh, maybe you could make a case for keeping the word "forced" as you had it in ALT2, but the way it is phrased it also sounds like someone forced him to wear the full Indian dress, whereas if you read the sources it sounds like he just didn't have any other clothes *at first*. Anyway, regardless of whether or not we use this hook, this still needs to be fixed within the article and I also think you should go ahead and delete one of the two block quotes about his schooling, because they are redundant (and a lot of Wikipedia editors frown on too much blockquoting).
- Hope this is clear enough. If you don't want to bother too much with the other hooks, we could probably go with ALT3a (or an ALT3b with minor tweaks), but regardless, there are still 3–4 issues that need to be resolved within the article, per my comments above. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:51, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Schunk, Harold W. (January 1985). Masonry Among South Dakota Indians - Chauncey Yellow Robe's Story (PDF). Vol. XXXI. Knight Templar.
- ^ Agonito, Joseph (2011-08-02). Lakota Portraits: Lives of the Legendary Plains People. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 255. ISBN 978-0-7627-6829-5.
Articles created/expanded on December 23
Peter Boysen Jensen
- ... that the work of Danish plant physiologist Peter Boysen Jensen was fundamental to understanding phototropism, and paved the way to the discovery of the plant growth hormone, auxin?
- Source:
- Larsen, Poul (November 1960). "Peter Boysen Jensen 1883–1959". Plant Physiology. 35 (6): 986–988 – via Oxford University Press.
- Snow, R. (January 1938). "Phytohormones". Nature. 141 (3558): 53–54. doi:10.1038/141053a0. ISSN 1476-4687.
- Zažímalová, Eva; Petrášek, Jan; Benková, Eva (2014). Auxin and Its Role in Plant Development. Springer. p. 363. ISBN 9783709115268.
- ALT1: ... that the work of Danish plant physiologist Peter Boysen Jensen paved the way to the discovery of the plant growth hormone, auxin?
- Source:
- Larsen, Poul (November 1960). "Peter Boysen Jensen 1883–1959". Plant Physiology. 35 (6): 986–988 – via Oxford University Press.
- Snow, R. (January 1938). "Phytohormones". Nature. 141 (3558): 53–54. doi:10.1038/141053a0. ISSN 1476-4687.
- Zažímalová, Eva; Petrášek, Jan; Benková, Eva (2014). Auxin and Its Role in Plant Development. Springer. p. 363. ISBN 9783709115268.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Spencer Finkbine
Created by Elias Ziade (talk). Self-nominated at 11:58, 27 December 2022 (UTC).
Interesting life and work, on fine sources, subscription, Danish and French sources accepted AGF. I prefer the ALT hook, to not expect too much plant physiology. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
R. K. Padmanabha
- ... that Indian Carnatic music vocalist R. K. Padmanabha teaches group singing predominantly to women? Source: Deccan Herald
Moved to mainspace by DaxServer (talk). Self-nominated at 09:06, 23 December 2022 (UTC).
- Working Bookku (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- DYK is good, may be minor scope of improvement to get feeling of what source says ".. He teaches two categories of classes. .. One is a ‘goshti gayana’ (group singing) class, where 99 per cent of the students are women. .. Every three months, he and his students gather at a kalabhavan he has built near IIMB to spend time together and sing ‘goshti gayana’. “I’ve been doing this since 1984 and have taught thousands of women,” .."
- May be by linking words 'group singing' to Sing-along or Choir would help.
- Checked article on Earwig for copyrights if any and that seems ok Bookku (talk) 10:07, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: Quite an interesting article. An alt DYK also would be possible with 'walking tour singing all the way 16 kilometres'. Since CCBY rendition seem to be available. If policy allow adding external link to composition would be interesting and also see if a pic can be added while singing from same CCBY. Anyways other than QPQ, DYK seems sort of ready. Bookku (talk) 10:38, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
No QPQ, so this is not ready. I have not looked at the other criteria. CMD (talk) 16:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Bookku: Which publication are you referring to as CCBY? I've wikilinked the group singing to Sing-along in the hook — DaxServer (t · m · c) 16:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @DaxServer: I am talking about same YouTube you took image from, I am suggesting his image showing his hand movement while singing or clip itself if technically possible to include in DYK. Bookku (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Bookku: Downloading YouTube videos seem to be a bit of hassle. Do you have experience with it? Also, QPQ done (also Chipmunkdavis) — DaxServer (t · m · c) 10:32, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- No I do not have experience. Hearing Carnatic music can be quite different experience, may be you can try requesting help @ Commons help desk if any one would help their. Bookku (talk) 12:35, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Bookku: Downloading YouTube videos seem to be a bit of hassle. Do you have experience with it? Also, QPQ done (also Chipmunkdavis) — DaxServer (t · m · c) 10:32, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- @DaxServer: I am talking about same YouTube you took image from, I am suggesting his image showing his hand movement while singing or clip itself if technically possible to include in DYK. Bookku (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Bookku: Which publication are you referring to as CCBY? I've wikilinked the group singing to Sing-along in the hook — DaxServer (t · m · c) 16:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
I had to un-promote it per this discussion. Needs another reviewer probably. BorgQueen (talk) 15:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- @DaxServer and Bookku: This article still has several "clarification needed" tags in it, which need to be resolved before it can be featured on the main page for DYK. Could you please address these and let us know when it has been fixed? Cielquiparle (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I was under impression that those nuanced details about Carnatic music would be needed whenever article would graduate to B class or GA. I any case I started a discussion to resolves raised issues @ Talk:R. K. Padmanabha#"Clarification needed" tags. I hope we get some solutions. Bookku (talk) 06:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Cielquiparle I'm not able to resolve these, so I've removed them for now — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Drama Shower
- ... that the Japanese programming block Drama Shower is a collaboration between MBS and Kadokawa Corporation? Source: https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/03/04/gamoko-tsuyus-bl-manga-fukoukun-wa-kiss-surushikanai-gets-live-action-drama-in-april
- ALT1: ... that the Japanese programming block Drama Shower was created to broadcast boys' love drama series produced by Kadokawa Corporation? Source: https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/03/04/gamoko-tsuyus-bl-manga-fukoukun-wa-kiss-surushikanai-gets-live-action-drama-in-april
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Thing About Pam, Template:Did you know nominations/Adam Ramage
Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 21:29, 24 December 2022 (UTC).
The article is new enough and long enough, and is both properly sourced and free from close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been done. However, both hooks seem to require specialist knowledge and don't seem likely to intrigue people who are unfamiliar with Kadokawa or Japanese television. Can a different direction be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:31, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1b: ... that the Japanese programming block Drama Shower was created to broadcast boys' love drama series produced by publishing company Kadokawa Corporation? Source: https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/03/04/gamoko-tsuyus-bl-manga-fukoukun-wa-kiss-surushikanai-gets-live-action-drama-in-april lullabying (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that really solves my concerns either. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:40, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the Japanese programming block Drama Shower broadcasts boys' love drama series for one year only? Source: https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/03/04/gamoko-tsuyus-bl-manga-fukoukun-wa-kiss-surushikanai-gets-live-action-drama-in-april lullabying (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- How about a hook like this?
- ALT3: ... that the first Japanese boys' love series broadcast during Drama Shower in 2022 was Mr. Unlucky Has No Choice But to Kiss?
- Cielquiparle (talk) 22:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: I'd actually planned on creating Mr. Unlucky Has No Choice But to Kiss! and using that hook for the DYK. I could try making the other article now but I'd also have to do another QPQ since I would be nominating two articles. lullabying (talk) 00:49, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: I do think it would be better to do two hooks at once in this case, because otherwise it's DYK déjà vu...! How about you go ahead and work on the second article, and I'll go review someone else's DYK and donate the extra QPQ...? Cielquiparle (talk) 01:12, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think the only way ALT3 would work is if it was a double hook because otherwise it's a rather pedestrian proposal interestingness-wise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:20, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Pedestrian to you, perhaps, but how often do you see the words "Mr. Unlucky Has No Choice But to Kiss!" on the main page of Wikipedia? And also, the way ALT3 is written, the phrase "Drama Shower" takes on a whole new meaning. But yes, it is better if you can click to find out what is up with Mr. Unlucky. Anyway @Lullabying: I've now finished a QPQ which I can donate to you, so let me know if you do decide to write the other article and want to use it! Cielquiparle (talk) 01:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: Mr. Unlucky Has No Choice But to Kiss! has been created. lullabying (talk) 05:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: Wow, that was fast! I have added a QPQ for you above, and altered ALT3 to bold and embed a link to the new page. @Narutolovehinata5: Could you please proceed with the second review? Cielquiparle (talk) 09:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Mr. Unlucky is not yet linked in Drama Shower's article, and the hook fact there is lacking a referencing footnote (only an explanatory one). I'll approve ALT3 once that's done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Source provided is Crunchyroll News and the article has been linked in the prose section. lullabying (talk) 08:41, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Actually the citation issue is yet to be fixed since Drama Shower's discussion of the series still lacks a referencing footnote. Upon further reflection, I don't actually think ALT3 is that much good of a hook either since it's too reliant on the name of the show despite ostensibly being about Drama Shower. This is what I'd suggest: would it be possible to propose some solo hooks about Mr. Unlucky alone that don't involve Drama Shower? I checked Mr. Unlucky's article and I think there are parts there that may have more potential for hooks than Drama Shower's article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- This is the nomination page for Drama Shower, though, and I do feel that there is potential for a hook from that article as well, and I personally don't feel it's right to withdraw the nomination based on your explanation. lullabying (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm just no longer seeing any path forward for a hook about Drama Shower at this point, what I do see is potential for Mr. Unlucky. One possibility could be to close this nomination and start a new one for Mr. Unlucky, or we could just use this page, but in any case I don't think we can get a suitable hook out of Drama Shower anymore. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:28, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- I added the citation next to the line instead of just as the footnote. Can you elaborate by what you mean by a "suitable" hook? lullabying (talk) 10:30, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm just no longer seeing any path forward for a hook about Drama Shower at this point, what I do see is potential for Mr. Unlucky. One possibility could be to close this nomination and start a new one for Mr. Unlucky, or we could just use this page, but in any case I don't think we can get a suitable hook out of Drama Shower anymore. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:28, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Actually the citation issue is yet to be fixed since Drama Shower's discussion of the series still lacks a referencing footnote. Upon further reflection, I don't actually think ALT3 is that much good of a hook either since it's too reliant on the name of the show despite ostensibly being about Drama Shower. This is what I'd suggest: would it be possible to propose some solo hooks about Mr. Unlucky alone that don't involve Drama Shower? I checked Mr. Unlucky's article and I think there are parts there that may have more potential for hooks than Drama Shower's article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Mr. Unlucky is not yet linked in Drama Shower's article, and the hook fact there is lacking a referencing footnote (only an explanatory one). I'll approve ALT3 once that's done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: Wow, that was fast! I have added a QPQ for you above, and altered ALT3 to bold and embed a link to the new page. @Narutolovehinata5: Could you please proceed with the second review? Cielquiparle (talk) 09:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Pedestrian to you, perhaps, but how often do you see the words "Mr. Unlucky Has No Choice But to Kiss!" on the main page of Wikipedia? And also, the way ALT3 is written, the phrase "Drama Shower" takes on a whole new meaning. But yes, it is better if you can click to find out what is up with Mr. Unlucky. Anyway @Lullabying: I've now finished a QPQ which I can donate to you, so let me know if you do decide to write the other article and want to use it! Cielquiparle (talk) 01:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think the only way ALT3 would work is if it was a double hook because otherwise it's a rather pedestrian proposal interestingness-wise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:20, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Lullabying: I do think it would be better to do two hooks at once in this case, because otherwise it's DYK déjà vu...! How about you go ahead and work on the second article, and I'll go review someone else's DYK and donate the extra QPQ...? Cielquiparle (talk) 01:12, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- How about a hook like this?
- I'm referring to WP:DYKCRIT, specifically this criterion:
The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest.
The way I see it, I don't think any of the proposed options regarding Drama Shower meet this criterion; however, I can see hooks solely about Mr. Unlucky potentially meeting it based my checking of that article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hello, unfortunately, I don't think you're being very fair to the hooks for this article and not giving this nomination a chance. Similar hooks to ALT3 have made it to DYK, such as the one I did for Template:Did you know nominations/Kakafukaka; I'm not sure why this one couldn't. lullabying (talk) 21:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- WP:OSE is not really a valid argument on DYK, and that particular nomination was done prior to the recent change to the DYK criterion implementing the need to intrigue non-specialist audiences. I've been trying to give the nomination a fair chance and in fact had I seen suitable suggestions I would have either brought them up or would have proposed hooks about them myself. I just simply don't think Drama Shower is going to work out for DYK, but that doesn't mean that Mr. Unlucky doesn't have a future on DYK and in fact I'd highly suggest you nominate it separately. For what it's worth, had I been the one to review Kakafukaka's nomination, I would have probably said something similar to what I've said here (meaning I would have declined that particular hook wording too). I should also note that even the reviewer for that nomination thought there were other more suitable options for a hook instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:19, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm no longer seeing a path forward for this nomination so I'm now marking it for closure, without prejudice against a separate nomination for Mr. Unlucky being done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:21, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Is it possible to get another person to review this? lullabying (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Alright. Asking for a second opinion on the suitability of the article and hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:43, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would also like to request another reviewer to consider ALT3 in particular, which could be a candidate for the "quirky" slot! Cielquiparle (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 24
Old-Fashioned Cupcake
- ... that Kouhei Takeda was interested in starring in the television drama adaptation for Old-Fashioned Cupcake because his co-stars from Kamen Rider Build also starred in boys' love television dramas? Source: https://www.fujitv-view.jp/article/post-585097/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zhenjiu dacheng
- Comment: Statement was on page 3 of the source.
Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 27 December 2022 (UTC).
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- Personally, I'd prefer to see the term yaoi used directly, rather than
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Overall: Everything is sourced fine except the plot section, which does not need inline references per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Plot summaries of individual works. Please use {{lang}} within Template:Graphic novel list to apply language tagging to the original titles of the manga. Consider rewording the hook to use yaoi rather than BL. Good work! OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, but I fail to see what the problem is with using "boys' love." It's what all the Japanese-language sources use and the genre itself doesn't have a specific age limit for its characters or readership. lullabying (talk) 22:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Melissa Ong
- ... that "Step Chickens" on TikTok replace their profile pictures with an image (shown) of Melissa Ong, whom they call "Mother Hen"?
- Reviewed: r/antiwork
- Comment: Image is still in the process of obtaining permission, so please hold until it is :)
Created by Theleekycauldron (talk). Self-nominated at 12:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC).
- Hmmm.... I'll review this KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 19:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- [26] this seems like a good source to add in if you fancy KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 19:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
My main concern is that the prose is not "tight" enuf. This reads too much like a puff piece with many superfluous "facts" about her and her "cult". I'm sure she's notable (although I find that bewildering...) but the article could use some trimming while the image is waiting to be cleared. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 19:53, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: argh! that's what happens when the sources get granular on silly things. I've done some culling – possibly take a look and point out any puffery that remains? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Will give it the holy tick once the image clears. Otherwise the article is new and long enough, with an interesting hook that's appropriately referenced. No evidence of copyvio. I would recommend removing the "(shown on the right)" for the benefit of mobile users, but that's about it. Merry Christmas! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 12:16, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: The image seems to have been deleted. Do you wish to proceed without it anyway? BorgQueen (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @BorgQueen: No, thank you, I'm fairly sure I'd rather wait. I'm in contact with the creator, waiting on her to do the necessary stuff to release the image. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:42, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: The image seems to have been deleted. Do you wish to proceed without it anyway? BorgQueen (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: argh! that's what happens when the sources get granular on silly things. I've done some culling – possibly take a look and point out any puffery that remains? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 25
MT Botaş FSRU Ertuğrul Gazi
- ... that the Turkey-flagged LNG FSRU Ertuğrul Gazi is with her daily regasification capacity of 28 million m3 among the world largest? Source: "Ertuğrul Gazi FSRU Delivered to Turkey's BOTAS ", "With a daily gasification capacity of 28 million cubic meters (990 million standard cubic feet) per day, the new FSRU ranks among the vessels with the highest send-out capacity in the world. " [27]
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 10:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC).
- Not a review but FSRU is not a widely known acronym and should be spelt out, in my opinion (I think a case could be made for LNG also) - Dumelow (talk) 11:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: The full words of the said abbreviations, which are wikilinks, can be easily seen when the mouse is put on. CeeGee 14:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @CeeGee: The other issue is that we now have three links back-to-back-to-back. See WP:SEAOFBLUE. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:51, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: The full words of the said abbreviations, which are wikilinks, can be easily seen when the mouse is put on. CeeGee 14:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the Turkey-flagged floating storage and regasification unit for liquefied natural gas, the Ertuğrul Gazi, is with her daily regasification capacity of 28 million m3 among the world largest? CeeGee 10:15, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Enola Holmes (film)
- ... that after the release of Enola Holmes (2020), the original author's estate sued Netflix, claiming it violated copyright laws because it depicted Sherlock Holmes as having emotions? Source: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/6956021/Sherlock.pdf
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Thought this was humorous and fitting for DYK.
Improved to Good Article status by MyCatIsAChonk (talk) and Rusted AutoParts (talk). Nominated by MyCatIsAChonk (talk) at 01:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC).
Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:09, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: @MyCatIsAChonk: Good article. Though, I do have concerns about copyright as Earwig reports a pretty heavy copyright infrigement with a Fcuscoyotejournalism article. Not sure if it's a WP:MIRROR so i'll need some confirmation.
- @Onegreatjoke:Just ran it through Earwig and I'm not sure what article you're referring to; the top result for possible infringement is an [MRXFX] article, and the only infringement is a short sentence that I've since fixed. Is it good now? -MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 02:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC) Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:28, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @MyCatIsAChonk: I'm talking about this https://fcuscoyotejournalism.com/2351/ae/reviews/sluos-tsol-fo-rednif-dna-evitceted-wen-a/
- @Onegreatjoke: I don't see that article linked anywhere in the article section; am I just missing it? -MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- @MyCatIsAChonk: I'm talking about this https://fcuscoyotejournalism.com/2351/ae/reviews/sluos-tsol-fo-rednif-dna-evitceted-wen-a/
Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- Onegreatjoke Looking at the article edit history and the publication date of that reference, the webpage has material copied from the article. SL93 (talk) 23:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Phylogenetic reconciliation
- ... that evolution can be studied across many levels of biological organisation—from nucleotides to organisms, holobionts and ecosystems—using a common method, phylogenetic reconciliation? Source: "Unifying Parsimonious Tree Reconciliation" (2013) by Nicolas Wieseke, Matthias Bernt, Martin Middendorf: "This opens up new possibilities for solving reconciliation problems for a variety of applications. Biogeography, gene tree/species tree, and host-parasite systems can be reconciled with the same algorithms while only the cost model γ differs. Beside that, further cases of application exists, e.g., general symbiotic systems or interactions of genes or gene products, where both association partners are equitable and a reconciliation can not be produced by simply embedding one tree into the other."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Janet Sorg Stoltzfus
- Comment: This article is a wikified version of the open-access article Menet H, Daubin V, Tannier E (2022) Phylogenetic reconciliation. PLoS Comput Biol 18(11): e1010621. doi:10.1371/journal.pcbi.1010621 that is available under CC BY 4.0.
Moved to mainspace by Hugo Menet (talk), Vincent Daubin (talk), Eric Tannier (talk), and Daniel Mietchen (talk). Nominated by Daniel Mietchen (talk) at 18:09, 25 December 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on December 26
Mimi Kilgore
- ... that Mimi Kilgore gifted Willem de Kooning a frog that had been run over by a car? Source: “ At one house Ms. Kilgore came upon a frog that had been flattened by a car tire. Finding that it reminded her of an abstract shape from one of his paintings, she presented it to de Kooning as a quirky gift. But he saw it as something more. He kept the frog for the rest of his life, a symbol of his devotion to a friend, lover and muse who would remain a source of inspiration for years and who would, by many accounts, help reinvigorate his career.” NY Times
Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 02:32, 2 January 2023 (UTC).
Hi Thriley (talk), review follows: article created 26 December and exceeds minimum length; article is well written; although the bulk of the article is cited to a single source (New York Times), it is eminently reliable (I would recommend broadening the sources anyway, if possible); I don't have access to the NYT (subscription only) but happy to AGF there has been no copying from it (Earwig check picks up only a few common phrases which I think are acceptable); hook fact is certainly interesting and mentioned in the article, AGF on sourcing; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 10:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Can she be considered notable with only one independent source? SL93 (talk) 16:43, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
I’ll add some more today. Thriley (talk) 17:02, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
George E. Clymer
- ... that George E. Clymer in 1813 invented the Columbian printing press (pictured), which marked one of the most significant changes in presses of the 1700s? Source: Southward, 1900, p. 578
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aesculapian Club
- Comment: Statement and source supporting hook are found in the 4th paragraph of the 'Inventor' section
5x expanded by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 23:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC).
Article contains too-close paraphrasing. Compare for example "naturally desired by many American printers, however, most were too poor at that early date to pay the asking price of $400, so in 1817 Clymer brought brought and introduced his pressto England where it was immediately well received by England's experienced printers and remained in great favor for many years. For his invention Clymer received a gold medal valued at one hundred golden ducats, and following the introduction of his printing press in Russia he also received a present from Alexander I, the Czar of Russia" with "Much as the press was desired by American printers they were too poor at this early date to pay the price ($400), so Clymer took it to England in 1817 where it was immediately taken up by experienced printers and was in great favor for many years. For this invention Clymer received from the King of the Netherlands a gold medal valued at one hundred golden ducats and a present from the Czar of Russia following the introduction of the Columbian press in that country". Nikkimaria (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- In the hook, the comma should appear after (pictured) rather than before it. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- * @Nikkimaria:, The text in question has been reworded. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- A more comprehensive review and rewrite of the article is necessary. Here is another sample from a different section: "At the age of sixteen he entered the trade of carpentry and joining, and in little time had devised a unique plow especially adapted for tilling the soils in that part of the state. Over the next twenty-five years he continued in this capacity in his home neighborhood and applied his skills and ingenuity in numerous ways" vs "When sixteen years old he took up carpentry and joining, and within a short time devised a unique plow especially adapted to the local soils. He continued at his chosen trade in his home neighborhood for at least twenty-five years, during which time he applied his ingenuity and inventive skill in numerous ways". Nikkimaria (talk) 01:53, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- * @Nikkimaria:, The text in question has been reworded. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Once again, we are dealing with similarities in short general simple phrases. Similarities in bold.
- "At the age of sixteen he entered the trade of carpentry and joining, and in little time had devised a unique plow especially adapted for tilling the soils in that part of the state. Over the next twenty-five years he continued in this capacity in his home neighborhood and applied his skills and ingenuity in numerous ways"
- "When sixteen years old he took up carpentry and joining, and within a short time devised a unique plow especially adapted to the local soils. He continued at his chosen trade in his home neighborhood for at least twenty-five years, during which time he applied his ingenuity and inventive skill in numerous ways
- In any case I will reword a few things if this is an issue, but there is no call for a rewrite of the entire article based on the the similarities of a couple general phrases you have noted here.
Here also, other opinions are needed. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Again, the issue is not direct copying, but too-close paraphrasing. I would suggest reviewing WP:CLOP which outlines what that means. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- No need to recite the alphabet. Once again, there were a couple of similarities, but I'm not seeing the proposed and apparent monumental issue you're trying to give us here. Again, other opinions are needed. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:38, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Again, the issue is not direct copying, but too-close paraphrasing. I would suggest reviewing WP:CLOP which outlines what that means. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Similarities are still similarities. If they are unavoidable per WP:LIMITED then perhaps that could be accepted, but in any case, if wording is far too similar to existing sources, that should still be avoided except with direct quotes. As you already said, they're "short general simple phrases", so I can't imagine it being difficult to simply paraphrase the wordings instead of copying exact wordings. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:40, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would echo Narutolovehinata5 and Nikkimaria's comments – if that's not CLOP, I'm not sure what is. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:59, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm getting the impression that no similarities whatsoever will be accepted here. If they are short general phrases, in context with one's own wording, it shouldn't be an issue. However, I'll begin making some changes since several editors have expressed similar concerns here. Happy New Year. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Text in question has been reworded. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
-- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:37, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 27
Eighth Avenue South Reservoir
- ... that when Nashville's Eighth Avenue South Reservoir (pictured) ruptured in 1912, one family was swept away while still lying in bed? Source: One book sourceOne news source
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Richard Gerald Jordan
- Comment: This can run without the image if a promotor decides it is needed for quirky slot or any other slot.
Created by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 22:58, 27 December 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
- Could use some copyediting, as well as incorporating more diverse sources.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
- Nashville needs to be linked; "still lying" would work better as "while lying" or "while still".
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed:
- Used in article:
- Clear at 100px:
- The image is not all that compelling or easy to discern at thumbnail size.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Article itself need some work; I went ahead and did a short copyedit, but there's also some gaps in information. Would like to see this resolved before promoting. SounderBruce 05:01, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks much for the speedy review, I corrected the hook @SounderBruce:. The image is optional, and there are others available if someone desires a different one.. I will continue to copyedit, do you have specific areas which need copyediting and what other sources would you like to see? Bruxton (talk) 05:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: I recommend looking through the Tennessean archives on Newspapers.com, which is available through WP:TWL. The addition of inflation templates and more uses of {{convert}} would also be helpful for readers. SounderBruce 06:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: Hello, I can continue to improve the article, but is there something specific in our DYK rules that prevents promotion of this hook? Bruxton (talk) 14:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- Supplementary rule D7 requires that the article is substantially complete and appears comprehensive enough; the long gap between events would make it appear to be incomplete to readers. SounderBruce 01:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: Rats, I thought I had a great hook and a decent article for DYK. I guess I will have to withdraw the nomination. Bruxton (talk) 01:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- You can still continue with this nomination while making improvements. Combing through the NRHP nomination should point you in the right direction for other events in the reservoir's history. SounderBruce 01:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I think it is an interesting and complete article. I tried to address your review concerns: I corrected the hook, I added references, I filled in gaps within the 133 year timeline, and I enlisted another editor to help copyedit. Would you consider allowing another editor to review this by placing a red X? Bruxton (talk) 03:04, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- You can still continue with this nomination while making improvements. Combing through the NRHP nomination should point you in the right direction for other events in the reservoir's history. SounderBruce 01:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: Rats, I thought I had a great hook and a decent article for DYK. I guess I will have to withdraw the nomination. Bruxton (talk) 01:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- Supplementary rule D7 requires that the article is substantially complete and appears comprehensive enough; the long gap between events would make it appear to be incomplete to readers. SounderBruce 01:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: Hello, I can continue to improve the article, but is there something specific in our DYK rules that prevents promotion of this hook? Bruxton (talk) 14:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: I recommend looking through the Tennessean archives on Newspapers.com, which is available through WP:TWL. The addition of inflation templates and more uses of {{convert}} would also be helpful for readers. SounderBruce 06:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Caffoy
- ... that caffoy was a 16th-century furnishing fabric made of wool that was also used to decorate Houghton Hall? Source: https://archive.org/details/houghtonhallprim0000unse/page/30/mode/2up?q=Caffoy Page31,34,39
- ALT1 ... that Erddig 1726's inventory includes seven walnut chairs, four of which were originally covered in caffoy, a cut-wool velvet? Source: https://archive.org/details/erdiggwrexham0000unse/page/69/mode/2up?q=Caffoy Page69
- ALT2...that Caffoy, a luxurious wool velvet cloth imitating silk, was popular in the 16th century?Source: https://archive.org/details/nationaltrustboo0000clab/page/241/mode/1up: 241
- ALT3...that in 1579, Caffoy was also featured in a pageant honouring the queen's visit to Norwich?Source:https://archive.org/details/nationaltrustboo0000clab/page/241/mode/1up: 241
- ALT2...that Caffoy, a luxurious wool velvet cloth imitating silk, was popular in the 16th century?Source: https://archive.org/details/nationaltrustboo0000clab/page/241/mode/1up: 241
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Exeter Theatre Royal fire
- Comment: Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 59 edits ago on December 26, 2022
- ALT1 ... that Erddig 1726's inventory includes seven walnut chairs, four of which were originally covered in caffoy, a cut-wool velvet? Source: https://archive.org/details/erdiggwrexham0000unse/page/69/mode/2up?q=Caffoy Page69
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 18:02, 27 December 2022 (UTC).
Full review to follow, but can alternate hooks be proposed here? Both hooks seem to be reliant on specialist knowledge (the first hook mentions a building readers may not necessarily be familiar with, while ALT1's context may not be clear to non-specialists). DYK rules require that hooks appeal to readers that don't have special knowledge or interests and I don't think either hook meets that criterion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5 Hi! Kindly check. Thanks RV (talk) 14:22, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @RAJIVVASUDEV: Apologies for the delay in replying. I'll need a few days first to think about if ALT2 or ALT3 are okay (I think ALT2 is probably the one that meets the criterion here best, albeit marginally). My main concern is that the article writing seems rather non-standard, with lots of '[' and ']' symbols along with an inconsistent use of quotation marks. I would probably suggest that the article be given a copyedit before the nomination can proceed further. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5 Made the necessary changes. Please have a look. Thanks RV (talk) 08:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- @RAJIVVASUDEV: Apologies for the delay in replying. I'll need a few days first to think about if ALT2 or ALT3 are okay (I think ALT2 is probably the one that meets the criterion here best, albeit marginally). My main concern is that the article writing seems rather non-standard, with lots of '[' and ']' symbols along with an inconsistent use of quotation marks. I would probably suggest that the article be given a copyedit before the nomination can proceed further. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 28
2022 Liberty Bowl
- ... that a targeting penalty called against an Arkansas player during the 2022 Liberty Bowl was overturned by the NCAA the next day? Source: [28], [29]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Seattle SeaDogs
- Comment: I can switch up the wording if desired; also might be worth mentioning that the incident in question took place during double overtime or that the targeting penalty in NCAA football results in a player's disqualification from participation in the rest of the game.
5x expanded by PCN02WPS (talk). Self-nominated at 06:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC).
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- Adequate sourcing:
- why use twitter?
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- probably could use your suggestions.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: @PCN02WPS: Good article but I have some problems. 1. Yeah I do feel as if the hook should be expanded on a bit with your suggestions to be more interesting. 2. Citation 2 is cited to twitter of all places, would like if you replaced the citation. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Alchymic Quartet
- ... that the Alchymic Quartet is a string quartet by Graham Waterhouse, to be played during experiments of Andrew Szydlo (pictured), his former chemistry teacher at Highgate School? [30]
- Reviewed: to come
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- Freely licensed:
- Used in article:
- Clear at 100px:
- picture not perfectly clear at 100px
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Ready to approve once QPQ completed. Ploni💬 00:07, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for the quick review. I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Ariana Orrego. Perhaps the image could be cropped? GRuban? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 29
Dawn of the Dead (2004 film)
- ... that Zack Snyder's directorial debut Dawn of the Dead is widely considered his best film? Sources: "Why 'Dawn of the Dead' Is Still Zack Snyder's Best Movie" (Collider), "Why Dawn of the Dead Is Zack Snyder’s Masterpiece" (Den of Geek), "'Dawn Of The Dead' At 15: Zack Snyder's Best Film Is The One With Zombies, Not Superheroes" (/Film), "Dawn of the Dead Is Zack Snyder's Best Movie" (Screen Rant), Ranked #1 in IndieWire and Variety
- ALT1: ... that Kyle Cooper designed the title sequence for Dawn of the Dead using real human blood? Source: "For this spring's Dawn of the Dead, he even used real human blood." (Wired.com)
- ALT2: ... that the theatrical release for Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead almost coincided with that of Edgar Wright's Shaun of the Dead in the U.S.? Source: Variety
- ALT3: ... that during the filming of Dawn of the Dead, hundreds of extras in zombie makeup had to be on constant standby, so the crew built a "factory" where painted extras were stored? Source: "...we were painting people up and creating a factory where... on a constant basis we had to have zombies ready." David LeRoy Anderson (special makeup effects artist) (2004). Raising the Dead (featurette). Universal Pictures Home Entertainment
Improved to Good Article status by Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk). Nominated by MyCatIsAChonk (talk) at 18:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC).
The full review is to follow, but for the most part the article seems to qualify per a spot check and a QPQ has been done. I'm most fond of ALT1 or ALT3 (slight preference for ALT3), with the facts being verified in both sources. However, is it really okay to link to the YouTube video in the article itself, considering the link AFAIK is a copyvio? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:33, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- Apparently not. I've deleted the YouTube source both from this page and the article itself as per WP:RSPYT. Actually, it was the nominator (who was also the GAN reviewer) who thought that was a good idea because he said in the GAR page that "even if they are from YouTube, it's about what the content is"; I was only telling him to use the site for spot checking purposes. Granted, nominator has only been around WP for months, so I'm going to extend him some courtesy. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 04:50, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Noted. I'll wait for a response from MyCatIsAChonk regarding the above comment before finishing the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy:@Narutolovehinata5: Oh dear, I now realize my error; I apologize, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy was correct in that I am new and this is one of my first DYK nominations. I'll keep WP:RSPYT in mind in the future. Is the unlinked source acceptable, or do e need an alternative? -MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 22:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- The video link itself is not suitable, but the source (i.e. the DVD feature) would still be acceptable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:51, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy:@Narutolovehinata5: Oh dear, I now realize my error; I apologize, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy was correct in that I am new and this is one of my first DYK nominations. I'll keep WP:RSPYT in mind in the future. Is the unlinked source acceptable, or do e need an alternative? -MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 22:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- Noted. I'll wait for a response from MyCatIsAChonk regarding the above comment before finishing the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 31
Braxton Cook
- ... that Braxton Cook's vocals were sampled in Taylor Swift's 2022 song "Lavender Haze"? Source: https://districtfray.com/articles/dc-jazz-musician-taylor-swift-new-album/
- Reviewed: first DYK submission
Created by BanjoZebra (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 5 January 2023 (UTC).
Hello and welcome to DYK. The article meets DYK requirements for length and creation time, and is free from close paraphrasing. The hook fact is cited inline, but per WP:DYKCRIT the exact sentence mentioning the Taylor Swift part needs a footnote. No QPQ is required as this is the nominator's first nomination. However, I'm not a fan of the hook. In recent months there have been reservations about hooks about or that mention Swift, and such hooks tend to underperform in terms of DYK readership interest. Theleekycauldron could perhaps elaborate more on this point, but in the meantime, could you perhaps propose a different hook about Cook that doesn't involve Swift? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 is correct, but i won't bore you with the details :) welcome to DYK, BanjoZebra! If you'd like any assistance drafting a hook, I'm around. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 ... that Braxton Cook performed alongside Jon Batiste on the soundtrack for Pixar's Soul, which won the Academy Award for Best Original Score? SL93 (talk) 08:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I see that my hook suggestion isn't in the source. SL93 (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- My mistake, I fixed the source on the page. SL93 I think that hook works! BanjoZebra (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that Braxton Cook performed alongside Jon Batiste on the Oscar-winning soundtrack for Pixar's Soul? Source: https://nettwerk.com/new-signing-braxton-cook-shares-the-same-feat-marquis-hill-%E2%81%9F BanjoZebra (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Niwar (cotton tape)
- ... that Niwar is a cotton tape that is used to make beds in India? Source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Punjabi_Century_1857_1947/p6zTk-ibjTwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Niwar%22+cotton+tape+-wikipedia&pg=PA20&printsec=frontcover
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Qiangtie
- Comment: Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 50 edits ago on December 28, 2022
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 13:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New Enough:
- The article was not expanded 5x; it looks like it's just under 4x
- Long Enough:
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- Cited:
- Interesting:
- As is, the hook doesn't sound particularly interesting. I would rewrite the hook to generate interest.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: As it stands, the article is not eligible for DYK. To qualify for DYK, the article should be at least 15,215 bytes in size (using the article's size based on the edit before expansion, 3,043 bytes, as the basis for this computation); the article is currently at 11,942 bytes. --Sky Harbor (talk) 15:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Sky Harbor, DYK measures prose characters, not bytes. According to DYK check, which is the gold standard for DYK size checks, this article had 3810 prose characters as of when you reviewed it, and
Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 65 edits ago on December 28, 2022
, which was three days before. Indeed, the nominator notes this in their nomination. (Prior to the expansion, it had 530 prose characters, so only 2650 prose characters were needed to qualify.) It appears that RAJIVVASUDEV needs to create a new hook; what they don't need to do, although it is welcome, is to further expand the article for DYK purposes. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2023 (UTC)- I used DYKcheck and the tool flagged it as being ineligible for DYK because of the size, which led me to turn down this nomination in the meantime. Now if expanding the article isn't necessary in your view, that's fine and we can proceed with RAJIVVASUDEV just providing a new hook, but I would recommend that the tool spell that out clearer for myself and other reviewers. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Niwar is a cotton tape produced by prisoners in various jails in India? Source: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Punjabi_Century_1857_1947/p6zTk-ibjTwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Niwar%22+cotton+tape+-wikipedia&pg=PA20&printsec=frontcover
- I used DYKcheck and the tool flagged it as being ineligible for DYK because of the size, which led me to turn down this nomination in the meantime. Now if expanding the article isn't necessary in your view, that's fine and we can proceed with RAJIVVASUDEV just providing a new hook, but I would recommend that the tool spell that out clearer for myself and other reviewers. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, Sky Harbor, thanks for your reconsideration. Kindly check the ALT1 if it suits. Regards RV (talk) 05:30, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Del Riley (clerk)
- ... that Linn County clerk Del Riley pioneered Oregon's vote-by-mail system, now used as the only voting method in the state? Source: https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2018/09/opinion_rememberingoregons_tru.html
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Just moved this out of my userspace into mainspace, think there's a DYK in it.
Created by 127(point)0(point)0(point)1 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC).
@127(point)0(point)0(point)1: I see two issues. The first is what exactly it means to "pioneer" a system, and the second is that the source provided is an opinion piece. I'll see if something else is a possible hook here. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:33, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to welcome any alt hooks you could suggest! --(loopback) ping/whereis 07:10, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 1
Millennial pause
- ... that millennials pause? Source: https://archive.today/20220916215908/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/08/tiktok-gen-z-millennial-pause-parody/671069/
- Reviewed: Translation Bureau
- Comment: promoters, i am aiming for the quirky slot with this hook, in case it isn't clear. i'd prefer if the hook immediately before it is a bit shorter to make the unusual spacing more noticeable, but don't worry if you can't make that happen. (if you are confused as to why i am playing with the spacing, please read the article, or at least its lead.)reviewers, i am open to suggestions regarding where best to put the extraneous spacing, and how lengthy it should be. i decided to use three spaces because i know that many readers will not notice one extra space, and the point was to make readers notice the superfluous spacing, since that is the subject of the article. one alternative is to use a couple of extra dots in the ellipsis. one much more radical alternative (though also possibly less noticeable) would be to drop the ellipsis altogether, interpreting the other hooks as having been drafted by millennials. below is an approximation of how the hook may look in comparison with the one immediately above, shown at roughly the width it would appear on the main page.
following a longer hook:
- ... that in the 2022 Berlin Marathon, Tigist Assefa won by running the third-fastest marathon ever by a woman, in just her second marathon, breaking her personal best by nearly 20 minutes?
- ... that millennials pause?
following a shorter hook:
- ... that ice XVII potentially has a use in green technology as a medium for storing hydrogen?
- ... that millennials pause?
alt0a (with extra spacing before the bullet point):
- ... that ice XVII potentially has a use in green technology as a medium for storing hydrogen?
- ... that millennials pause?
alt0b (with extra spacing after the bullet point but before the ellipsis):
- ... that ice XVII potentially has a use in green technology as a medium for storing hydrogen?
- ... that millennials pause?
alt0c (with extra spacing after the "that"):
- ... that ice XVII potentially has a use in green technology as a medium for storing hydrogen?
- ... that millennials pause?
alt0d (with an ellllipsis):
- ... that ice XVII potentially has a use in green technology as a medium for storing hydrogen?
- ..... that millennials pause?
alt0e (with no ellipsis):
- ... that ice XVII potentially has a use in green technology as a medium for storing hydrogen?
- that millennials pause?
alt0f (double ellipsis, added by Hameltion):
- ... that ice XVII potentially has a use in green technology as a medium for storing hydrogen?
- ... ... that millennials pause?
Created by dying (talk). Self-nominated at 22:59, 8 January 2023 (UTC).
@Dying: Fun idea! Meets new and length requirements. Neutral and very cited, but I do have some suggestions to improve the article:
- Dates would be very helpful – when was the term coined (and on what platform), when and how was it popularized?
- Clarify in the body what "some videos" means – mostly in social media posts? Is the pause largely noticed on TikTok/Instagram?
- Also, and this is speculation by me, but lack of video editing seems to be a crucial but unstated element
- JC Chasez's pause is mentioned almost incidentally in the source, so the photo seems undue. Also, would be good to find a source that explicitly says the pause is not exclusively a millennial phenomenon if that's the case
- Helpful to mention in the photo caption that the term was coined in reference to TS
- Referring to millennials as "older users" is pretty funny to me, maybe replace that phrase with "millennial users"? Or "users of the millennial generation and older" if that's what sources indicate
- Some sentences are difficult to follow. #Theory is particularly verbose/redundant, try saying the sentences out loud. Also, "cause some millennials to question whether they are becoming too old" could become something like "made some millennials notice that they are 'getting old'" (to introduce the point of view of the source)
- Other recs: Include definition of millennial years in body of the article. Add publication dates to citations. Remove all uses of the word "celebrity"
- Hope that's not too much to ask in a DYK review! Not all the changes are necessary, but the first two bullets are kind of important context that's missing, otherwise almost ready to go. QPQ present. As for the hooks, I like alt0b but it also kind of looks like a typo. Added alt0f above, favorite I've thought of so far. Hameltion (talk, contribs) 04:52, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Also, and this is speculation by me, but lack of video editing seems to be a crucial but unstated element
Couldn't agree more. Instructing actors to pause for a few seconds at the beginning of each take is one of the first things people learn to do when making any sort of edited content. I know the Atlantic article is only talking about off-the-cuff TikTok smartphone selfie cam stuff which usually doesn't get edited, but it seems like a glaring omission. The lead of this article reads to me like it's telling the reader "if you don't immediately start talking when hitting the record button you're oooold" which flies in the face of decades of conventional wisdom in film-making. DigitalIceAge (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Film Center Building
- ... that according to one film producer, during the mid-20th century, "anyone shooting a film in New York" had to visit the Film Center Building? Source: Morrison, Bill (October 10, 1975). "NY's Film Center Down, Not Out". Back Stage. Vol. 16, no. 40. pp. 1, 8, 11.
- ALT1: ... that to attract tenants, the Film Center Building's leasing agents sent promotional brochures to every known television and independent film producer? Source: "Video Finns Fill Roster In Film Center Building". New York Herald Tribune. April 9, 1961. p. C6.
- ALT2: ... that a new type of film led to the demolition of vaults in the Film Center Building? Source: "News of Realty: Vaults Changed; New Type of Film Leads to West Side Renovation". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that the lobby of the Film Center Building, described as one of Ely Jacques Kahn's "most striking interior designs", has movie cameras and pyramids? Source: Film Center Building Interior (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. November 9, 1982.
- Reviewed: Untitled The Last of Us game
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 18:06, 1 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: I think ALT0 is the hookiest, and have AGF its citation, although some of the other hooks, which I have not yet checked for citation, are possible contenders. QPQ still pending. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- @John M Wolfson: Thanks for the review. I have now done a QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 14:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 2
William J. McGee
- ... that William J. McGee said that the 2022 Southwest Airlines flight delays were the result of Pete Buttigieg “appearing to regulate rather than actually regulating.”? Source: “ William McGee, a senior fellow for Aviation and Travel at the American Economic Liberties Project, argued Thursday that while "there's plenty of blame to go around" for the latest cancellation crisis, "Secretary Buttigieg has spent months appearing to regulate rather than actually regulating."How do I know? Because I've spent thousands of hours annually for 23 years fighting airlines. Those of us in advocacy trenches can testify to DOT inaction," McGee wrote. "Criticizing [Buttigieg's] lack of action is neither unfair nor inaccurate. When advocates met with him in 2021, most of us were impressed and optimistic. But he's failed to take real action.""He has broad powers to act on unfair and deceptive acts—and airlines have done both," McGee added. "Southwest was inevitable after he failed to punish awful behavior all year."” Common Dreams
Created by Thriley (talk) and Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 03:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC).
Reviewing... Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- QPQ is done. Prose length is sufficient. Article is cited, including citation for the hook.
- Hooks should be neutral and may not unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons. A different hook would be required.
- Several citations are incomplete or contain only links without additional context.
- This nomination was submitted as a newly created article, but it was moved from draft space over one week before nomination and has seen only minor additions since then. Approval depends on current backlog.
This still needs some work before it can qualify for DYK, and the late nomination should be taken into consideration per WP:DYKPN. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:37, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your review. I don’t think the hook violates the rules. It’s a simple critique from someone who has written about the airline industry for most of his adult life. I will fix up the citations. I intended to nominate the article for DYK. The nom was a day late due to my forgetfulness. Thriley (talk) 04:32, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- DYK hooks should not present critiques of ongoing political disputes or of living persons. Per the WP:DYKRULES:
Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided
andArticles and hooks must adopt a neutral point of view, and should not be approved if they promote one side of an ongoing dispute.
And a more detailed instruction on the reviewing guide:Consider very carefully whether the hook puts undue emphasis on a negative aspect of a living individual. Err on the side of caution, and when in doubt, suggest an ALT hook.
In this case, I don't know what the alt hook can be, as there's little else in the article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Intermittent water supply
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that an intermittent water supply situation can be partially offset using storage tanks?Source: In an intermittent supply situation the consumers secure their water through the use of ground and/or roof tanks, where water is stored during the provided supply time. (pg 1)- ALT1: ... that while an intermittent water supply exists in at least 45 countries water distribution systems aren't intentionally designed intermittent? Source: At least 45 countries deliver intermittent water supply (IWS) ... To our knowledge, no systems have been intentionally designed to provide intermittent supply (pg 7), The primary cause of intermittent water supply is the extension of distribution systems beyond their hydraulic capacity (pg 37)
- ALT3: ... that piped water can be intermittent?
Created by FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk). Self-nominated at 17:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC).
- Will review. Making some copyedits first. Hameltion (talk, contribs) 20:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
OK, worthy article. Created Jan 2 and nominated in time on Jan 9. Long enough, Earwig does not suggest copyvio, references look very good (some behind paywall). QPQ begun. Some suggestions:
- Page 37 here (which you cited) has a lot more tangible detail that would be very useful to add to the article (causes like poor metering and low tariff; anxiety, bribes and other issues – basically human details). Not necessary to do now, but something to put on a to-do list.
- However, please do make sure to redo the sentence that starts "Associated factors resulting from an intermittent supply" – are you just saying that when water is intermittent, users are forced to collect water at the same time (when the pipes are flowing), putting further strain on the system? Good thing to note, but it's hard to understand that sentence.
- Last, the hooks. Part of ALT1 is interesting but I don't love the phrasing. How about:
- ALT2: ... that while 2.7 billion people lack water pipes, the water supply for a further 1.3 billion is intermittent?
- If that's accurate, could you pull quotes from a source to support it? (I'm paywalled by [31]) Hameltion (talk, contribs) 21:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
P. Kodanda Rao
- ... that Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's membership application to the Servants of India Society was initially declined because he was too young? Source: https://archive.org/details/righthonourablev00pkod/page/478/mode/2up
- ALT1: ... that when Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's membership application to the Servants of India Society declined he temporarily became a botany professor? Source: https://archive.org/details/righthonourablev00pkod/page/478/mode/2up
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/801 Grand
Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 08:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC).
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- The source is an WP:ABOUTSELF statement from the book jacket of Rao's biography of Srinivasa Sastri. While it's a permissible use of ABOUTSELF, the full statement made in the article, which mentions Srinivasa Sastri as the one who rejected him, fails ABOUTSELF criterion #2. So I don't think it's suitable to base a DYK hook on.
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QPQ: - Needed
Overall: @Ktin: Still need a QPQ for this, and need either a third-party cite that verifies the proposed hooks, or an ALT2 that doesn't have the ABOUTSELF issue. (Even setting aside criterion #2's applicability, I think ABOUTSELF claims without in-text attribution should generally be avoided in DYK hooks.) His friendship with Gandhi and his marriage both have content that could make for good hooks. Overall it's an interesting article and I'm hoping we can resolve this smoothly.
:)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 05:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. Let me look for some more sources. Else, there is always the Gandhi / Thoreau hook to fall back on. I am out tomorrow and am somewhat constrained in availability through the weekdays. So, if I can get some time through the weekend that would be much appreciated. Ktin (talk) 06:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- I am just resurfacing today after a busy week. I have not been able to get a different source. I have been giving this some more thought, this should be attributed to the publisher of the book since it is an author bio. However, if this is not acceptable, we might have to go for something like --
- ALT1: ... that Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's correspondences with Mahatma Gandhi helped clarify Thoreau's influence on Gandhi?
- ALT2: ... that Indian independence activist and author P. Kodanda Rao's correspondences with Mahatma Gandhi helped clarify the origins of Gandhi's non-violent civil resistance ideas?
- My first preference is to go for ALT0. Happy to hear the reviewer's views. Ktin (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Waegwan (enclave)
- ... that illegal prostitution cases in Japanese enclaves called waegwan frequently caused diplomatic friction between the Tokugawa shogunate and Joseon Korea in the 17th century? Source: https://kj.accesson.kr/assets/pdf/8522/journal-60-2-126.pdf
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Created by MarsandCadmium (talk). Self-nominated at 04:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC).
@MarsandCadmium: New enough in mainspace and long enough. QPQ missing. Hook fact checks out to a peer-reviewed journal article and is interesting. Three sentences lack paragraph-ending inline citations. QPQ must be supplied and citations added to paragraphs without them to continue. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 3
John Hoke III
- ... that John Hoke III, the Chief Design Officer of Nike, Inc., has described drawing as his first language (Hoke is dyslexic)? Source: https://timesensitive.fm/episode/john-hoke-on-technology-as-a-co-conspirator-in-creativity/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Please see transcript of cited source interview for specific "hook" reference to Hoke's dyslexia. (He has spoken widely about this, and there are many other sources — several of which are also used in the article.) Thank you,
Moved to mainspace by Cl3phact0 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC).
- Comment:
Not sure why the article appears as a redlink.(It does exist.) (fixed)
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Overall: A worthwhile bio. Although it's not very long, it's more than just a resume. Hook is interesting and fully substantiated by the only source I needed to look at. As usual, I've done some (very) minor copyediting. Needs a QPQ if the author is not exempt. Otherwise ready to go. Bahnfrend (talk) 05:24, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Bahnfrend, I may have left my response to yours (re: QPQ) in the wrong place. Just in case, I'll summarize what I said here (apologies for the repetition if it's redundant): Thanks for reviewing the John Hoke article. I will read QPQ, and if eligible I'll gladly oblige. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Medvedev–Tsitsipas rivalry
- ... that in a tennis match against Stefanos Tsitsipas, Daniil Medvedev called the umpire "a small cat"? Source: "After the set Medvedev asked the umpire if he speaks Greek and then called him 'a small cat' for not giving a code violation." Source
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rizal Monument (Madrid)
- Comment: There are some spicier quotes in the article, but probably not suitable for main page
Created by Hameltion (talk). Self-nominated at 19:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC).
On hold pending resolution of AfD. If this is kept, feel free to ping me for a full review. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 07:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Buchanan's Station
![19th century house on the site of Buchanan’s Station. The log building (right) is a remnant of the original 1780 fort. These structures were later demolished.(1936 photo; courtesy of TN State Library & Archives)[1]](https://web.archive.org/web/20230116054001im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Buchstaprop1936.jpg/123px-Buchstaprop1936.jpg)
- ALT0 ... that an overloaded blunderbuss that exploded when fired was mistaken for a canon and scared the 300+ Indian attackers at Buchanan's Station (pictured), into retreat? Source: Slate, Mike; Buchanan's Station : The battle that saved the Cumberland settlements; WebPage; Nashville Historical Newsletter online; retrieved December 2022
- ALT1: ... that 15-20 sharpshooters at Buchanan's Station (pictured), withstood an attack by a Native American confederation of over 300 warriors, including Tecumseh? Source: Slate, Mike; Buchanan's Station : The battle that saved the Cumberland settlements; WebPage; Nashville Historical Newsletter online; retrieved December 2022
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Loophonium
- Comment: QPQ
Done
Created by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 21:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC).
References
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Solihin G. P.
- ... that Solihin G. P. was anecdotally asleep when he was announced as commander of the Hasanuddin Military Region? Source: [32], quoted from the biography of his predecessor.
- ALT1: ... that when Solihin G. P. was governor of West Java, his deputy used to be his direct superior in the Indonesian Army? Source: [33], p10
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Talabaw
- Comment: -
Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 09:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC).
Academy Fight Song
- ... that Rolling Stone named Mission of Burma's "Academy Fight Song" as one of the 100 greatest debut singles of all time? Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/greatest-debut-songs-singles-990470/mission-of-burma-academy-fight-song-994494/
- ALT1: ... that in 1990, Spin called R.E.M.'s cover version of Mission of Burma's "Academy Fight Song" one of the "worst cover songs of the last 35 years"? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=otG9qgDiY1cC&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q&f=false
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Interfaith greetings in Indonesia
- Comment: I started this article in my userspace in 2014 but did not move it to the mainspace until today. There was previously an article deleted at this title, but it was about a record label of the same name, not this song. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Moved to mainspace by Metropolitan90 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:25, 3 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: @Metropolitan90: Good article but what makes citation 11 and 12 reliable? Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- For reference, the statement that citations 11 and 12 are attached to is "R.E.M. released a recording of "Academy Fight Song" in 1989 on the annual Christmas single for their fan club members, as the B-side of "Good King Wenceslas", a 7" single in a limited edition of 4,500 copies." The citations in dispute are https://www.remhq.com/fanclub-singles/1989/ and http://www.svs.com/rem/discog/fan-i.php . In lieu of arguing over whether those two sources are reliable, would it be satisfactory if I cited the book Perfect Circle: The Story of R.E.M. for this sentence instead? The book is already cited in my article (citation 4). (I think the sources I cited are reliable, but I don't have proof of reliability; they are both cited in reference to this single in R.E.M. discography.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
- To be clear, I already have entered Perfect Circle: The Story of R.E.M. as the replacement source for that sentence. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:25, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Also, I would prefer the main hook to ALT1, which might be considered overly negative. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 4
List of cities founded by Alexander the Great
- ... that Alexander the Great (pictured) really liked the sound of his own name? Source: See sources in article.
- ALT1: ... that occasionally, Alexander the Great (pictured) founded cities not named after himself? Source: See article.
- ALT2: ... that Alexander the Great (pictured) founded settlements across the Near East and Central Asia? Source: See article.
- ALT3: ... that although Alexander the Great (pictured) established many settlements, often named after himself, nobody knows exactly how many there were? Source: Lead sources.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lundie Kirk
- Comment: Image optional. ALT0, ALT3 and ALT1 humorous, although the latter depends on some prior knowledge of the reader. ALT2 more factual. I'll leave it up to the discretion of the reviewer and nominator.
5x expanded by AirshipJungleman29 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:49, 10 January 2023 (UTC).
Does seem to have 5x the prose as the pre-Jan. 3 version. Long enough, new enough, well sourced, no copyvio. QPQ done. Image appears to have proper licencing and a looks OK at size. I was ready to give this the good to go, because I like ALT0, which is both interesting and funny (in the right kind of way—I'm not a big fan of a lot of 'funny' hooks). My second choice would be ALT2, which I do think is interesting enough. But upon closer inspection of the article, I'm not sure ALT0 is sufficiently backed up. Do we know if Alexander himself named all of these cities after himself? @AirshipJungleman29: I'm okay with ALT2, but I am giving you an opportunity to address the issue I have with ALT0 if you want. Srnec (talk) 01:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Northeastern Army
![Chiang Kai-shek and Northeastern General Zhang Xueliang](https://web.archive.org/web/20230116054001im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Zhang_Xueliang_and_Chiang_Kai-shek5.jpg/176px-Zhang_Xueliang_and_Chiang_Kai-shek5.jpg)
- ... that Nationalist China's own Northeastern Army kidnapped Chiang Kai-shek (pictured) to convince him to join the Second United Front? Source: Pages 150-169 in Itoh, Mayumi (3 October 2016). The Making of China's War with Japan: Zhou Enlai and Zhang Xueliang. Springer. ISBN 978-981-10-0494-0.
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5x expanded by SilverStar54 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: @SilverStar54: Good article. However
- "In early 1927, the forces of the NPA engaged the National Revolutionary Army (NRA) in Henan and Jiangsu." Needs a citation
- "and on 17 October, Yu Zhishan surrendered Eastern Liaoning to the Japanese." Needs a citation
- Other notable commanders list should probably be cited.
If you can fix that then I'll pass. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hopefully this is the right spot to respond (first time in the DYK process), but thank you for the quick review. I've revised the article to add sources (or remove unsourced material) where you requested. Let me know if there's any further steps I should take. SilverStar54 (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 5
Robin Greenwood
- ... that economist Robin Greenwood argued that financial crises can be predicted in his paper 'Predictable Financial Crises'? Source: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2021/01/right-now-predicting-financial-crises?
- ALT1: ... that economist Robin Greenwood's work has been used to show the bubble-nature of Bitcoin and Tesla[disambiguation needed] valuations? Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoins-role-in-retirement-portfolios-2021-02-26
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5x expanded by SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on January 6
The Mercian Sphere
- ... that according to a music critic, the black metal album The Mercian Sphere is not folk metal, but close enough for "black metal purists" to reject it? Source: "European folk is a prominent influence on this 68-minute CD; Winterfylleth aren't quite a folk metal band in the way that Ensiferum, Korpiklaani, Eluveitie, Primordial, and Finntroll are folk-metal bands, but they aren't shy about incorporating traditional European folk influences, and that Euro-folk influence only enhances the musicality that they have to offer. Of course, black metal purists are unlikely to become Winterfylleth fans; what admirers of melodic black metal consider nuanced and intricate is watered down in the minds of black metal purists." (AllMusic)
ALT1: ... that the black metal album The Mercian Sphere contains too little folk music to be folk metal, but is too melodic for "black metal purists"?- ALT2: ... that according to a music critic, the black metal album The Mercian Sphere contains too little folk music to be folk metal, but is too melodic for "black metal purists"?
- ALT3: ...that the black metal album The Mercian Sphere contains a trilogy of songs inspired by the Old English poem The Wanderer? Source: "Both bands have also referenced the poem 'The Wanderer', which also appears in the Codex Exoniensis (otherwise known as the Exeter Book), a 10th-century collection of poetry and riddles. ... Winterfylleth wrote a trilogy of songs that appeared on The Mercian Sphere. Rather than explicitly title the songs after the poem itself, they all begin with the prefix 'The Wayfarer'; the band's guitarist and vocalist Chris Naughton has confirmed this source material in interviews." (National Identity in Northern and Eastern European Heavy Metal, p. 126)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Grey's Monument
Created by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 13:25, 7 January 2023 (UTC).
- Reviewing. -MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 01:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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- There's an issue here; first, WP:ALLMUSIC says that AllMusic is reliable for reviews, but the hook claims that it isn't folk; whether it is or isn't folk is up for debate. If a claim like this is to be made, I'd suggest having multiple other sources reflecting these opinions.
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Overall: Look above for issue with citation. -MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 02:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
2020 Colonial Pipeline oil spill
... that the 2020 Colonial Pipeline oil spill, where approximately 2,000,000 U.S. gallons (7,600,000 L) of gasoline leaked into a nature preserve in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, was discovered by two teenagers who were driving all-terrain vehicles in the area?Source: WFAE, source indicating its discovery The Charlotte Observer, source indicating the size of the spill
Created by JJonahJackalope (talk). Self-nominated at 15:02, 6 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: @JJonahJackalope: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Pulling hook from prep and reopening nomination; at 263 prose characters, the hook is so far above the maximum of 200 that it cannot run, and should not have been approved or promoted. Pinging nominator JJonahJackalope, reviewer Onegreatjoke, and promoter Bruxton. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Oops, thanks for the message when they work it out ping me. Bruxton (talk) 02:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot about that rule. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 7
Dean Huijsen
- ... that Dutch defender Dean Huijsen scored six goals in 14 matches for Juventus U19 and went from playing for Juventus U17 to playing for Juventus Next Gen, their U23, in just half a year? Source: https://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/dean-huijsen/ https://nos.nl/artikel/2429403-huijsen-17-volgt-vader-maradonny-op-ik-kan-verleidingen-beter-weerstaan https://www.juventusnews24.com/huijsen-juve-next-gen-primavera-prima-squadra-promozione/
- Reviewed: Beverly Robertson (businesswoman)
- Comment: Oltrepier doesn't need QPQ, it's his first nomination. Two notable facts to show how fantastic this defender is.
Created by Dr Salvus (talk) and Oltrepier (talk). Nominated by Dr Salvus (talk) at 21:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: QPQ satisfied. Random copyvio check found nothing, nor has Earwig flagged anything. Page is long and reasonably well written. Nominated on the 12th, making it eligible for new page creation. The hook shouldn't be this compound. Keep each fact to its own discrete lead. Change the 'Juventus U17' fact to an ALT lead.
Sourcing needs to be more granular, which should be solved by splitting the lead into 2. It's difficult to follow what source goes to which claim. Is Juventus II synonymous with Juventus U19? Pinging @Dr Salvus: and @Oltrepier:, I assume this is a co-nom. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 00:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Daikoku Seamount
- ... that a boiling pond of liquid sulfur was discovered at the summit crater of the Daikoku Seamount in 2006 in the Northern Mariana Islands? Source: "Last night, we came across another extreme of sulfur volcanism in the solar system, a convecting pool of liquid sulfur under more than 40 atmospheres of pressure! At first it was rather difficult to see the pool's surface, because the sulfur was black! However, as we stared through the remotely operated vehicle (ROV) Jason's eyes into the pit, a roiling dark surface of partially solidified crust came into focus. This was a rather precarious place for the Jason ROV, but the long experience and confidence of the Jason team once again came through for us. A sulfur sample was obtained by dropping the anchor chain of one of our markers into the lake." [[34]]
- ALT1: ... that a rare, boiling pond of molten sulfur sits in the summit crater of the Daikoku Seamount in the Northern Mariana Islands?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Boiling sulfur ponds can only be found in 3 places on Earth, Nikko Seamount, Daikoku Seamount (Mariana Islands) and the Macauley Island (Kermadec Islands). Boiling liquid sulfur are usually erupted by volcanoes in Io (moon of Jupiter) rather than volcanoes on Earth, so it is a rare phenomenon to witness here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reego41 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Created by Reego41 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: @Reego41: Interesting article but there's some uncited statements that need to be addressed. Also, the hook's citation seems broken. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Statistics of Deadly Quarrels
- ... that Statistics of Deadly Quarrels suggested that estabilishment of world government might end wars? Source: https://www.sciencemag.org/lookup/doi/10.1126/science.132.3444.1931-a
- ALT1: ... that Statistics of Deadly Quarrels is seen as a pioneering study in the mathematical study on the origins of war? Source: numerous sources cited, see quotations ex. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2282320?origin=crossref that the book "establish[es] Richardson as an important precursor.... in the mathematical analysis of conflict"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tomasz Wiktorowski
- Comment: Main hook seems more clickbait-catchy/intreresting, second hook is more traditional sciency-encyclopedic.
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 15:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC).
- Starting the review. A round of copy-edits might be in order before this goes to the main page. Ktin (talk) 18:48, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: Article meets eligibility criteria - newness and length. Earwig does not find any major issues. However, the article needs a thorough copy-edit. Also, please see if you can remove the 10 source links in the lede and move it to the respective sentences in the body. Regarding the hooks. Original hook - unable to see "world government" in the snippet that is visible at Science Mag. However, I suspect that this is due to the fact that the website only gives out the first page. Please can you help share the exact sentence here. Both hooks are interesting though I would suggest a minor edit on the first hook. I prefer the first hook over the second one. Please see if this is acceptable. Hook is interesting. QPQ is done. Ktin (talk) 18:59, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT0.1: ... that Lewis Fry Richardson's Statistics of Deadly Quarrels suggested that the establishment of a world government might end wars?
- Howdy InedibleHulk! I see that you are active on this article. Please can you help with a round of copy-edits on this article. Ktin (talk) 19:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
- Aloha, Ktin! At the risk of seeming lazy, that activity was my round. Sorry it couldn't have been more help, but I think I've had enough of that one; good luck! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
@Ktin: For world government, see [35]: "... governments exert a local "pacifying" influence: with the same physical opportunities for fighting, groups living under the same government are less likely to engage in "deadly quarrels" among themselves than they are to fight outsiders. Richardson considered this to be the most vital conclusion suggested by his statistical study; it pointed to world government as the most promising solution of the problem of war." --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Piotrus. Hook is now sourced. Please can you attempt one round of copy-edits across the article and then this should be good to go. Ktin (talk) 17:01, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Ktin: Done, please take a look. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: thanks much. Almost there. I have added a few comments to the article -- please see if you can take another pass. Also, please can you reduce the number of links in the lede. e.g. 10 links to the first sentence. You can move those links to other sections of the article. Ktin (talk) 17:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 8
Tarn Wadling
- ... that the now-drained lake Tarn Wadling in Cumbria, England, was famous for its carp and pike and beetles, and as a liminal place where the spectre of Guinevere's dead mother appeared to her and Gawain? Source: carp, pike, beetles, ghostes
Created by Drmies (talk) and SchroCat (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 15:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC).
New, long and interesting article that looks neutral and properly sourced. The hook is interesting but 201 characters long, counting "that" and the question mark. It should be easy to make it a bit tighter without losing the essence. QPQ is done. I added links to the Arthurian characters. Ffranc (talk) 13:41, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao
- ... that Indian violinist Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao held an apprenticeship at painter Antyakula Pydiraju? Source: The Hans India
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Allan (magazine)
- Comment: I'm not sure if the grammar surrounding "apprenticeship" is correct. If not, please correct it.
Moved to mainspace by DaxServer (talk). Self-nominated at 20:51, 8 January 2023 (UTC).
Article meets DYK requirements and is of appropriate length. It is free from close paraphrasing. Still waiting on QPQ. Can some of the lede information be duplicated in the article body? WP:LEADCITE discourages references in lede sections unless absolutely necessary. In addition, can a different hook be proposed here? It doesn't seem to meet the DYK criterion of needing to intrigue people with no specialist knowledge, as the significance of the hook is not evident if people are unfamiliar with Pydiraju (who I should note does not have a Wikipedia article, and per DYK common practice should probably not have been mentioned in the hook by name anyway). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 I've moved the citations to be body where possible. Here's one alt
- ALT1 ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao held an apprenticeship at a painter?
- I thought of "apprenticeship in the field of painting" but the source says "apprenticeship at painter", I think it would be SYNTH. Let me know what you think of it. It seems I probably won't have the time slot that I can commit to for a QPQ review until Thursday, but I'll try to do it. Once done, I'll ping you again — DaxServer (t · m · c) 18:24, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 I've moved the citations to be body where possible. Here's one alt
- Did you mean to say "apprenticeship with a painter"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- I think "...Rao was an apprentice to a painter" could be better wording? From source I understand that he worked/learned something from the painter. TBH, I've never used the words apprentice and apprenticeship and don't know the correct grammatical structure — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- That might work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Great, here is the hook:
- ALT2 ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao was an apprentice to a painter?
- ALT3 ... that Indian violin player Dwaram Durga Prasad Rao, recipient of India's highest award for performing arts, was an apprentice to a painter?
- Thanks for the review — DaxServer (t · m · c) 07:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Great, here is the hook:
- That might work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I think "...Rao was an apprentice to a painter" could be better wording? From source I understand that he worked/learned something from the painter. TBH, I've never used the words apprentice and apprenticeship and don't know the correct grammatical structure — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
- Did you mean to say "apprenticeship with a painter"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Appa Jalgaonkar
- ... that Indian harmonium player Appa Jalgaonkar stopped taking singing lessons because his voice started cracking when he reached puberty? Source: The Indian Express
Moved to mainspace by DaxServer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC).
- Before a more formal review, and waiting until the maintenance tags have been removed,
- Does "eminent" (2 locations) and "renowned" need to be written?
- The quote would be better inline. In general where headers can be reduced it would be advisable to create readable prose as compared to single line headers. Though some of the headers are understandable and useful despite the section size.
- There is an ISBN missing template; if the original version is cited then it wouldn't have an ISBN.
- Are there any other Indian-language sources available to help expand the article?
- FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 06:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hey FacetsOfNonStickPans! Thanks for the comments.
- I've toned down to a more neutral word "prominent". I've retained the eminent in the lead first sentence. Let me know what you think of it.
- Quote moved to inline. I'm not sure where the "Teaching" section can merged to, any ideas?
- I found the book, let me find the page number. (Why didn't I think of it 😅)
- I'm afraid I couldn't find sources in Marathi, but then again I don't speak it and thus limited to English sources
- Looking forward for more inputs — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yikes, the book doesn't have an ISBN here either — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- DaxServer, just a short reply to the ISBN issue. The book version you are seeing is from a time when they didn't have ISBNs. It doesn't matter where it is online. There are newer versions with ISBNs. It took me a long time to figure this out when I first came across this in other old books. It is a rather interesting tidbit/curio, a gem of a one really. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Ah I see, thanks for sharing the info, it's invaluable :) I don't have access to any new versions. Can I remove the ISBN missing template or do you have other suggestions? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Reviewing...FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 19:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Ah I see, thanks for sharing the info, it's invaluable :) I don't have access to any new versions. Can I remove the ISBN missing template or do you have other suggestions? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- DaxServer, just a short reply to the ISBN issue. The book version you are seeing is from a time when they didn't have ISBNs. It doesn't matter where it is online. There are newer versions with ISBNs. It took me a long time to figure this out when I first came across this in other old books. It is a rather interesting tidbit/curio, a gem of a one really. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yikes, the book doesn't have an ISBN here either — DaxServer (t · m · c) 15:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hey FacetsOfNonStickPans! Thanks for the comments.
, article is new, long enough. There is no copyvio, there are two quotes, and some short phrases, whose usage doesn't seem to raise any direct close paraphrasing concern however it could be better. This particular paraphrasing needs close attention: Did he start to play the harmonium only after he lost his voice, or, was he learning the harmonium before his voice change (maybe with other instruments, we don't know), and following the voice change, he focused on the harmonium more, going on to specialize in it. You have paraphrased it to mean to former. The article uses these two citations TIE, TOI for the line,
He later started learning to play harmonium
.- The hook is cited. (Voice change in the voice/music area is a big thing.) Here is a shorter version, however the longer ALT0 reads better,
- ALT1: ... that Indian harmonium player Appa Jalgaonkar became an instrumentalist following puberty?
- ALT2: ... that Indian harmonium player Appa Jalgaonkar became an instrumentalist following a voice change?
- Basic maintenance tags need to be sorted out by the editor. A number of them, along with associated content, can simply be removed to save time if researching it takes too long. Since the article is now listed there isn't really a definite time frame. Article specifics are out of the bounds a DYK review and need to be taken to the talk page. QPQ not required. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Ðàn Tre
- ... that the Ðàn Tre uses an olive oil can to make music? Source: https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/minh-tam-nguyen-s-%E2%80%98%C3%90%C3%A0n-tre-bamboo-musical-instrument-minh-tam-nguyen/GAGYWF62_XJuKA
- ALT 1 ... that the Ðàn Tre uses an olive oil can and a bamboo tube to make music? Source: https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/minh-tam-nguyen-s-%E2%80%98%C3%90%C3%A0n-tre-bamboo-musical-instrument-minh-tam-nguyen/GAGYWF62_XJuKA
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ not needed
Created by Schminnte (talk). Self-nominated at 01:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: @Schminnte: Good article. Though, what makes weekendnotes a reliable source? Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Nothing! That slipped past me sorry. I have replaced the reference with a much better one from the Royal Albert Hall. Thanks for spotting that. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 22:34, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on January 9
Wennington wildfire
- ... that the Wennington wildfire (destroyed houses pictured) highlighted the danger posed by climate change? Source: ITV News (quoting Dr Rory Hadden, University of Edinburgh): "as the climate changes, the UK will be susceptible to these kinds of fires which can be extremely devastating...we should expect more and larger wildfires".
Created by Blythwood (talk) and Greyzxq (talk). Nominated by Blythwood (talk) at 00:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC).
Logan (novel)
- ... that Logan by John Neal was judged to be one of the two most incoherent American novels of the 19th century? Source: Page 251 of this 877-page study of American literature from the Revolution through 1940 says "The critical reception of The Hawks of Hawk Hollow (1835) was not enthusiastic .... Only Neal’s Logan can compare with this book in point of incoherence."
Created by Dugan Murphy (talk). Self-nominated at 01:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: @Dugan Murphy: Ok so I have some problems with the hook. The hook states an opinion, especially a strong one like that, in pure wikivoice with no indicator of who said it. You should state who said that in the hook and also put the statement in quotations so that it doesn't seem so strongly correct. Also, I don't see the hook in the article, though I might've missed it. Still, it is required for the hook to be placed in the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Thanks for reviewing! The information in the hook is in the sentence preceding citation 45, but I guess that's neither here nor there. I'm not sure that I can meet your requirement and retain the current hook's punchiness, so how about this alternative? You'll find the fact in the article, cited by citation 46.
- ALT1: ... that author John Neal claimed reading too much of his book Logan would kill you? Source: Page 44 of this book provides this quote from John Neal published in Blackwood's Magazine about Logan: "It should be taken, as people take opium. A grain may exhilarate–more may stupify–much will be death." Dugan Murphy (talk) 05:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Jamie Beaton (entrepreneur)
- ... that New Zealand born entrepreneur Jamie Beaton applied to the world's top 25 universities and received an offer from each? Source: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/how-to-be-accepted-into-a-top-us-uni-by-somebody-who-has-done-it/news-story/982939f4fbffba6b4dafa2ca4ec65a9c#:~:text=When%20Jamie%20Beaton%20was%20finishing,secrets%20in%20a%20new%20book.
- Reviewed:
Created by MaxnaCarta (talk). Self-nominated at 23:50, 9 January 2023 (UTC).
Happy to review this one; I've always had an interest in this guy as a young Kiwi entrepreneur and "tall poppy", and was impressed by the article and how well-written/neutral it is. Article is new enough, long enough, well-cited and has no other eligibility problems. No issues from Earwig check. QPQ appears to not be required as your second DYK nomination (although please let me know if I've got that wrong!).
- The hook is interesting and cited. I note I don't have access to the provided source for the hook as it requires a subscription. I can approve it on an AGF basis but wondered if you could provide me with the wording of the text supporting the hook? (I just want to check that it says this definitively, rather than being simply a claim by Beaton.)
- Some minor comments:
- Suggest just 'New Zealand' instead of 'New Zealand born'.
- I think these sentences in the lead might fit better in the body of the article in the 'Early life' section: "The son of property managers, Beaton was born and raised in Auckland where for the first 7 years of his secondary education he attended Saint Kentigern School, then completing the final four years at King's College on an academic scholarship.[1] He was the valedictorian of King's College on graduation.[2]"
- Per MOS:LEADREL, any significant information in the lead should usually be covered in the remainder of the article. I think details about his Harvard degree and that he completed it in only three years fits in this category.
- I'm not sure the two images used in the article add much value or are significant enough to Beaton himself, and I would personally probably not include them, bearing in mind MOS:PERTINENCE.
- Thanks again for your great work on this article, and hope all of the above makes sense. Only the request for the text supporting the hook is really critical to me approving the nomination. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 04:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
InterContinental New York Barclay Hotel
- ... that New York City's Barclay Hotel had a bird cage in the center of its lobby? Source: "Lap of Luxury: InterContinental New York Barclay". FOX 5 New York. February 6, 2017
- ALT1: ... that at New York City's Barclay Hotel, visitors often met at a bird cage in the center of its lobby? Source: "Manhattan 'railroad hotel' The Barclay gets reno honouring its history". thestar.com. September 10, 2016.
- ALT2: ... that actor John Gielgud's first television advertisement was for New York City's Barclay Hotel? Source: "Advertising; Campaign On Hotel Face Lift". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that advertisements for New York City's Barclay Hotel featured John Gielgud and a bird cage? Source: "Advertising; Campaign On Hotel Face Lift". The New York Times.
- ALT4: ... that the wine cellar of New York City's Barclay Hotel was installed on the second floor because there were railroad tracks in the basement? Source: Fabricant, Florence (November 28, 1984). "Restaurant Wine 'cellars': Some Untraditional Locations". The New York Times.
- ALT5: ... that the wine cellar of New York City's Barclay Hotel is on the second floor? Source: Fabricant, Florence (November 28, 1984). "Restaurant Wine 'cellars': Some Untraditional Locations". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/_
- Comment: QPQ pending, more hooks pending
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 16:57, 9 January 2023 (UTC).
The article is expanded fivefolds, long enough, referenced, neutral and no copyvio obvious. The hooks are sourced and interesting. AGF several offline sources in the article. The image here is free and clear, while other images in the article are also free. Just waiting for QPQ and other possible hooks. Corachow (talk) 19:45, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging Epicgenius. Sorry, should've done it in the review. Corachow (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Corachow: Thanks for the review, and it's my fault that I didn't see this earlier. I'll do a QPQ soon and, if I have time, propose additional hooks. Epicgenius (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Bronfman kidnapping
- ... that an attorney got a client acquitted of a 1975 kidnapping by accusing the victim of arranging his own abduction to extort money from his family, but in 2020 admitted he'd known it was a lie? Source: "Their conversations, he told the court, focused on Mr. Bronfman’s desire to shake down his family for cash; it was Sam’s idea to stage his own kidnapping." and "Following Mr. Lynch’s commanding performance, Mr. DeBlasio tailored his defense to fit with the hoax angle, telling the court what he knew to be an outright lie. “There was no kidnapping,” he said, addressing the jury. As for the F.B.I., he offered, “They should have been checking Sam Bronfman.” Mr. DeBlasio portrayed the Seagram heir as resentful that he had not “grown up the way the father wanted him.” Calling Mr. DeBlasio “brilliant,” Newsweek wrote that he “stirred jurors to his summation.” Two jurors told The Times they believed that Mr. Bronfman had indeed “engineered his own kidnapping.” Mr. De Blasio waited nearly 45 years to reveal that he had no doubt the story that convinced those jurors was false." Both from https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/sam-bronfman-kidnapping-1975-confession-peter-deblasio.html , also "Back in 1976, Mr. DeBlasio secured an exoneration for his client, one of two charged with kidnapping, by persuading jurors that Mr. Bronfman staged the crime as a hoax to shake down his family for cash. But on Page 474 of Mr. DeBlasio’s book, I discovered, he said the opposite was true. “I want it to be clear to all who may ever read these pages that Samuel Bronfman was not a part of the kidnapping,” Mr. DeBlasio wrote. “I have always felt sorry for him.” at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/insider/how-a-tip-to-obituaries-breathed-new-life-into-a-decades-old-mystery.html
Created by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 15:28, 9 January 2023 (UTC).
- @Valereee: (with help from Tamzin)
Now that is a good crime hook. Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and plagiarism-free; a few sourcing issues, though. I don't love that Legacy.com is being used as a source for key statements, I think the statement on Time on it being the largest ransom needs a timeliness clarification (the article was written in the '70s); also, there's a missing citation at the end of paragraph 2 of "Defense". Hook is cited and definitely interesting, but I got a bit lost while reading it for the first time. How about:
- ALT0a: ... that two men were acquitted of kidnapping after their lawyer accused the victim of masterminding his own abduction—which the lawyer admitted was a lie 45 years later?
- QPQ is done, so we're nearly there! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 08:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 10
Embriachi workshop
- ... that around 1400 the Embriachi workshop in north Italy specialized in marriage caskets with carved bone plaques? Source: "Casket, date: c. 1390-c. 1410, Embriachi Workshop , Art Institute of Chicago
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/coming
Moved to mainspace by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 02:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC).
Margaret Isobel Cooper
- ... that Margaret Isobel Cooper recruited at first to the Women's Royal Indian Naval Service and later to MI6'? Source: [36]
- Reviewed: Alan Eckford
Created by Whispyhistory (talk). Self-nominated at 21:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
Inyo shrew
- ... that a new species of parasite was described from the feces of the Inyo shrew? Source: "Taxonomic summary Diagnosis: This species most closely resembles Eimeria suncus Ahluwalia, Singh, Arora, Mandel, and Sarkar, 1979, from the common house shrew (Suncus murinus) from India, but differs by having larger oocysts (22 x 19 vs. 20 x 15) and by the presence of a substieda body, which E. suncus lacks. Type host: Sorex tenellus Merriam, 1895, Inyo shrew, Museum of Southwestern Biology, Division of Mammalogy, NK 7991 (female), S. B. George #1059, 13 August 1983, MSB 53229. Type locality: USA. California: Mono Co.; 22.5 km N, 4 km W Bridgeport. Prevalence: Found in 1 of 2 (50%) S. tenellus from California. Site of infection: Unknown, oocysts recovered from feces" — [37]
- ALT1: ... that a new parasite was described from a certain shrew's feces?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Herman Sarens Soediro
- Comment: Unfortunately the parasite cannot be linked, as we lack an article on it.
Improved to Good Article status by An anonymous username, not my real name (talk). Self-nominated at 17:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
- Will claim for review. Coming within 24 hours Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 17:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: Article-wise, no red flags stand out. Copyvio detector gives an ok score, the prose is readable, did some spotchecks (specifically the IUCN, C.H Merriam, and Hertel & Duszynski sources) that returned nothing suspicious, and QPQ has been carried out. Hook is cited, but ...
... I feel like it could use more tweaking to bring out the interestingness. The essence of the hook is "a parasite was discovered from X animal" which is not super catchy to non-specialists. If the "feces" bit is intended to be the main source of the hookiness, and if you think giving the full common name is unnecessary, this can be trimmed to "... that a new parasite was described from a certain shrew's feces?
" A bit vulgar, but DYK's probably seen worse :shrug: Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 13:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, I added that as an alt. There's sadly nothing terribly interesting about this animal, so that could be the best option. An anonymous username, not my real name 15:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
2023 International Conference on Climate Resilient Pakistan
- ... that the United Nations and the Government of Pakistan co-hosted the 2023 International Conference on Climate Resilient Pakistan in Geneva to aid Pakistani people after the 2022 Pakistan floods? Source: [38]
- ALT1: ... that more than 450 attendees from 40 countries and international financial institutions pledged more than $9bn for Pakistani flood recovery in Geneva? Source: [39]
- ALT2: ... that Pakistan presented the 4RF Plan to the world in Geneva for recovery and reconstruction to secure international support after the 2022 Pakistan floods? Source: [40]
- Reviewed:
Created by M.Ashraf333 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:46, 11 January 2023 (UTC).
- @M.Ashraf333: I have fixed several grammatical errors in the hooks. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 16:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Faces of War Memorial
- ... that the Memorial Day ceremony held annually near the Faces of War Memorial (pictured) is the largest in the US state of Georgia? Source: https://www.appenmedia.com/opinion/columnists/roswell-s-faces-of-war-memorial-gift-from-men-who/article_edaca902-0fd3-53fa-a90d-c3ee9921be0f.html Quote:
Another Memorial Day has passed, and Roswell celebrated the day in fine fashion again ... But the thing people remember most is the Faces of War Memorial
and https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/photos-the-75th-roswell-memorial-day-ceremony Quote:The Roswell Memorial Day Ceremony is recognized as the largest Memorial Day event in Georgia.
- ALT1: ... that the dedication ceremony for the Faces of War Memorial (pictured) included missing man flyovers? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/116183139/another-memorial/ Quote:
Helicopters and fighter jets will perform "missing man" flyovers during the ceremony.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Spontaneous generation
- ALT1: ... that the dedication ceremony for the Faces of War Memorial (pictured) included missing man flyovers? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/116183139/another-memorial/ Quote:
5x expanded by Aoidh (talk). Self-nominated at 20:42, 10 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: @Aoidh: Good article but just some questions. What makes Alpharetta and Roswell Revue & News and Roswell Memorial Day reliable sources? Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: We keep bumping into each other at DYK, I'll address your other nom as soon as I finish here (if I suddenly stop editing the power has gone back out, it's been spotty, in fact I already typed a response to this once and lost it when the power cut out). Alpharetta and Roswell Revue & News is the former name of the Alpharetta-Roswell Herald, and though it's a smaller paper and more local in scope, it has the usual editorial oversight that would be expected of such papers. The Roswell Memorial Day site is run by the group that runs the annual Memorial Day ceremony and is a joint effort between the City of Roswell and Roswell Rotary, which are two of the main groups behind the memorial's creation so they would best know what it's made of (it's located at Roswell's City Hall). - Aoidh (talk) 05:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 11
West Coast Get Down
- ... that several members of the West Coast Get Down performed on Kendrick Lamar's 2015 album To Pimp a Butterfly? Source: https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/49630/1/west-coast-get-down-los-angeles-jazz-collective-interview
- Reviewed: (second DYK submission)
Moved to mainspace by BanjoZebra (talk). Self-nominated at 17:08, 12 January 2023 (UTC).
I'm wondering if a different angle could be proposed here since music artist hooks have tended to underperform with readers on DYK as of late, especially if they try to connect the DYK subject with a more famous artist. Personally I'm also not a big fan of the hook since it seems reliant on the connection with Lamar rather than being primarily about the subject. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that the West Coast Get Down has been described as the "Wu-Tang Clan of jazz"? Source: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-west-coast-get-down-1.4117473 BanjoZebra (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- It's a bit better, but I feel that it might be a bit reliant on knowing who the Wu-Tang Clan are, not to mention the wording might encourage readers to click on that article rather than West Coast Get Down's. I'll have to think this over before continuing the review, but for what it's worth a spot check seems to show that the article's okay for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- How about this? ALT2: ... that the West Coast Get Down has been hailed for "revitalizing jazz for younger audiences"? Source: https://www.vaildaily.com/news/vail-jazz-workshop-alumnus-ryan-porter-the-music-chose-me/ BanjoZebra (talk) 03:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- It sounds better but per recent discussions at WT:DYK that may need an in-hook attribution. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:47, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Could add "according to Vail Daily," but the source article itself says the West Coast Get Down has been "cited" for revitalizing, so it's not really Vail Daily's own hailing. BanjoZebra (talk) 18:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- We will probably need a better source then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Acorn System BASIC
- ... that Acorn System BASIC on the Acorn Atom was so non-standard that the idea of using it on the BBC Micro "would be a disaster"? Source: New Scientist
- Reviewed: Liu Zhaohua
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC).
I do like the hook fact here but it seems to have maybe one too many links? I'd probably suggest that the hook be reworded to focus mainly on the "non-standard = disaster" mention as I feel the other mentions are a bit distracting. Also, the hook is speaking in Wikivoice when in fact it was a quote from a third-party, so the quote needs to have some kind of attribution or clarification. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Berta Berkovich Kohut
- ... that Berta Berkovich Kohut, who was skilled in sewing, managed to survive in a fashion salon established by the wife of the Auschwitz concentration camp commandant? Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03612112.2022.2071030?journalCode=ydre20
- ALT1... that tailoring played a role in the survival of Berta Berkovich Kohut, who was imprisoned at the Auschwitz concentration camp? Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03612112.2022.2071030?journalCode=ydre20
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 13:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC).
- Why does this hook refer to the subject as "Berta" rather than by her full name? I don't see anything in the article that says that Kohut worked under a first name only. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Metropolitan90 Done. Thanks RV (talk) 02:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- RAJIVVASUDEV I would tweak Alt0 as follows
- ... that Berta Berkovich Kohut, who was skilled in sewing, managed to survive Auschwitz in a fashion salon established by the wife of the concentration camp commandant?
- Also per MOS:SURNAME I would use Berta Berkovich in both hooks as Kohut survived Auschwitz before she got married. TSventon (talk) 14:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 12
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Svante Thunberg
- ... that Malena Ernman fell in love with Svante Thunberg (pictured), invited him on a first date to see the film Amélie, and within two months was pregnant?
Source: Maëlle Brun, Greta Thunberg, la voix qui secoue la planète (L'Archipel, 2020), pp. 12–16 (in French)- Reviewed: Eudoro Galindo
New article on redirect by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 09:38, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
- Frankly, who cares about anything like that, about anyone? Tabloid garbage. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Clearly not you, SergeWoodzing! It has some impact. But please feel free to suggest something else. Moonraker (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
PS Also see recent questionable activity in the article's edit history, the article's talk page and the nominator's talk page. SergeWoodzing (talk) 04:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- Nominator has now drawn h own fantasy picture of Thunberg and uploaded it to Commons in another attempt to push this through. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- That is your take on it, SergeWoodzing, but I have indeed, although very few images are used, and it makes no difference to whether a nomination is “pushed through”. Please see WP:Civility. I see you have not suggested a better hook yet. Moonraker (talk) 00:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- WP:Civility is irrelevant when nothing uncivil has been done. SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- That is your take on it, SergeWoodzing, but I have indeed, although very few images are used, and it makes no difference to whether a nomination is “pushed through”. Please see WP:Civility. I see you have not suggested a better hook yet. Moonraker (talk) 00:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
When You're Lost in the Darkness
- ... that the first episode of The Last of Us passed through two other directors before Craig Mazin (pictured)? Source: /Film
- ALT1: ... that three blocks near Stampede Park were transformed into a destroyed city for the first episode of The Last of Us? Source: Calgary Herald
- Reviewed: A Jewish Wedding
- Comment: Image for ALT0 only.
Converted from a redirect by Rhain (talk). Self-nominated at 00:22, 13 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: The article mostly looks good, long enough and new. It doesn't look like the ALT1 and article facts exactly line up with the source though. The Calgary Herald article says that they "transformed" three blocks to look more apocalyptic. This is pretty different than actually constructing three blocks in Calgary. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: Thanks for the review. Good catch; the other source cited in the article (CTV News) verifies that information. I’ve added it above. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 03:31, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Rhain: thank you for the extra source! I hate to be a stickler but since neither source specifically says that they built three blocks it's better to either tweak the hook or use ALT0. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: I understand; I've rephrased the hook. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Rhain: thank you for the extra source! I hate to be a stickler but since neither source specifically says that they built three blocks it's better to either tweak the hook or use ALT0. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
City & Guilds Mnemonic Code
- ... that the City and Guilds of London Institute developed the City & Guilds Computer virtual machine as part of their 1960s teaching materials? Source: Herbert and ICL
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC).
Interesting! This is an institutional environment I'd never heard of. But I have some basic concerns. First, you need to link to the article from a couple of places so that the orphan tag can come off. Second, what is the source for Still in use in the 1980s, its coursework was used around the world. and The system found uses in the UK as well as many of its former colonies;? Some classified pages mentions of training classes targeted to Africa doesn't really support all that. Was it used in Canada, the Caribbean, Australia, or other parts of the Commonwealth? Third, one of your main sources, the Herbert article, says that the assembler didn't offer any form of labels or relative addressing, which meant that any time you added or subtracted anything you had to fix up displacements throughout the rest of the program. That's barely an assembler! No wonder one Herbert calls it "impoverished", says that Mnemonic Code's disappearance from computer history is warranted, and says he feels a bit guilty for resurrecting an environment in which it can be run. Are there any other sources that will gainsay what Herbert is saying? If all this is true, then it was especially bad as an educational vehicle, where iterations of fixing faulty code is a given. But the article doesn't convey any of this. Fourth, I suspect the DYK promoters will not like the hook, since general readers won't know what a virtual machine is. Maybe Herbert's guilty feeling could serve as a hook? Wasted Time R (talk) 20:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 13
Oise amber
- ... that in the late 1990s, a deposit of Oise amber was found, which had over 20,000 arthropod inclusions to date? Source: https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.fr/insu-01743297/document
- ALT1: ... that researchers say that Oise amber may have been produced by ancient trees? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/science/15obambe.html
- ALT2: ... that dental and skeletal remains can be found in Oise amber? Source: https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=YIb0_tXhT_4C&oi=fnd&pg=PA138&dq=oise+amber&ots=1iSMkdjMmN&sig=ckFYxG1sA16WKT9CtpnidiaSQuQ#v=onepage&q=oise%20amber&f=false
- ALT3: ... that in 2000, pollen was extracted from Oise amber for the first time? Source: https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=YIb0_tXhT_4C&oi=fnd&pg=PA138&dq=oise+amber&ots=1iSMkdjMmN&sig=ckFYxG1sA16WKT9CtpnidiaSQuQ#v=onepage&q=oise%20amber&f=false
- ALT4: ... that Quesnoin, a pure organic compound, has been isolated from Oise amber? Source: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jo701544k
- ALT5: ... that many coprolithes have been found in Oise amber, some with bones, teeth, fingerprints, and skin in them? Source: http://www.atlashymenoptera.net/biblio/01000/35_Brasero_et_al_Fossil_Oise_Denisia_2009.pdf
- ALT6: ... that Oise amber is found near the Oise river? Source: https://amberinternational.net/about-amber/
- ALT7: ... that fossilized feces have been found in Oise amber, some with bones, teeth, fingerprints, and skin in them? Source: http://www.atlashymenoptera.net/biblio/01000/35_Brasero_et_al_Fossil_Oise_Denisia_2009.pdf
- ALT8: ... that Oise amber is a type of amber? https://amberinternational.net/about-amber/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cathedral of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows, Suzhou
Created by Helloheart (talk). Self-nominated at 02:13, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
Hellcat Ace
- ... that MicroProse was formed to publish Hellcat Ace after Sid Meyer boasted he could write a better video game than Red Baron in a week? Source: CGW
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 18:44, 13 January 2023 (UTC).
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- An inline reference or two would be welcome for the Gameplay section. Additionally, the sentence "In 1982, Meier was working for a cash register company in Baltimore", seems dubious (I understand that the accompanying note reads, "The company is not specified in any of the listed references, but National Cash Register was headquartered in Baltimore", but this seems like original research). There is also currently a cite error, in that the named reference "lemon64" was invoked but never defined.
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Overall: I just wanted to clarify, and forgive me if this is just me being ignorant of game design terminology: the article makes multiple mentions of Sid Meier having "written" Hellcat Ace and other games. In the context that it's being used here, is that essentially just another way of saying he programmed them? —Matthew - (talk) 05:23, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Cathedral of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows, Suzhou
- ... that this cathedral in Suzhou is known for its "hybridity" between Chinese and western architecture? Source: ResearchGate. Pan, Yiting & Wang, Jun & Chen, Xi. (2021). Eclecticism and Expediency: "Hybridity" of Sino-Western Building Construction in the Yangjiaqiao Catholic Church in Suzhou. Huazhong Jianzhu - HJ/Huazhong Architecture. 39. 127-132. 10.13942/j.cnki.hzjz.2021.09.026.
- Reviewed:
Created by TheLonelyPather (talk). Self-nominated at 14:49, 13 January 2023 (UTC).
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- Adequate sourcing:
- I'm probably not the best judge for this, since I can't read Chinese, so I can't tell.
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- I have a concern about the citation, and that is when I clicked on it, it asked me to download a document.
- Interesting:
- Not really to me.
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed:
- On the description for the picture, it says: " This illustration was made by Peter Potrowl. Please credit this with : © Peter Potrowl in the immediate vicinity of the image. A link to my website sitemai.eu would be much appreciated but isn't mandatory. An email to Peter Potrowl would be appreciated too. Do not copy this image illegally by ignoring the terms of the license below, as it is not in the public domain. If you would like special permission to use, license, or purchase the image please contact me Peter Potrowl to negotiate terms. More free pictures in my website. Donations are accepted here and here. - Own work"
- Used in article:
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Overall: My two main concerns are the image use, and the citation for the hook. I think we'll need another editor to look over this. Helloheart (talk) 01:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, Helloheart. I am thinking of taking down the image since it is not in the public domain. I have fixed the citation so that it does not lead you to a download page. Any suggestions for alternative hooks? TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hello TheLonelyPather, and I think this is rather interesting:
- ALT1... that the Cathedral of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows suffered a flood in 1991, then became listed as a culturally protected site of Suzhou that year? [1][2]
- Hi, thanks for the suggestion. I'm gonna list yours here as an alternative hook. I added "ALT1" to your comment for other reviewers. Also, how should I remove the image from the DYK nomination? TheLonelyPather (talk) 19:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
References
Lake Street station (Arlington, Massachusetts)
- ... that the agent at Lake Street station won several prizes for his floral displays on the station grounds? Source: Boston Globe, October 1, 1905
- ALT1: ... that Lake Street station was originally Pond Street station? Source: Pondering the origin of "Spy Ponders"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Convex curve
Improved to Good Article status by Pi.1415926535 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:03, 13 January 2023 (UTC).
Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Herman Sarens Soediro
- ... that in 2010, the Indonesian National Armed Forces put a retired brigadier general on military tribunal over a land dispute? Source: Entire second paragraph of "Later life", use either [41] or [42]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Janaki Ballabh
- Comment: This man has a lot of hearsay about his shenanigans, but unfortunately hearsay isn't WP:RS
Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 05:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC).
No issues with copyright, QPQ is done, the article is long enough, it's been recently expanded 5x, and the hook is verified (at least according to Google Translate, as I am unfortunately not fluent in Indonesian). My only concern would be the fact that he's not mentioned by name in the hook, which while certainly not necessary, is generally customary. Share your thoughts on this, and then I'd be happy to pass it. An anonymous username, not my real name 17:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
- In the context of the hook, replacing his name there I think reduces the impact. If we add the name ("Herman Sarens Soediro, a retired brigadier general") it becomes a bit clunky and awkward, while if we replace the name the context disappears (the hook is interesting because the military tried a retired general, but from just the name readers won't know who Herman is and why him being tried is "special"). Juxlos (talk) 17:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 14
Volin
- ... that the Jewish anarchist Volin refused to flee Nazi-occupied France as he believed that a revolution would bring an end to World War II? Source: Avrich 1988, p. 134
- ALT1: ... that Stalinism was denounced as "red fascism" by Russian anarchists such as Volin? Source: Avrich 1988, p. 132
- ALT2: ... that after playing a leading role in the Makhnovshchina, Volin criticised the movement's leader Nestor Makhno for attempting to establish an anarchist political party? Source: Avrich 1988, p. 131
- ALT3: ... that Volin coined a form of "united anarchism", which synthesised its communist, individualist and syndicalist tendencies? Source: Avrich 1988, p. 128
- Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Self-nominated at 15:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
Phoenixonian Institute
- ... that San Jose's Phoenixonian Institute was founded in 1861 as the first African American high school in the state of California because of segregation in public schools? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that San Jose's Phoenixonian Institute was founded in 1861 as the first African American high school in California because of segregation? Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This my first time nominating, I am welcome to any feedback if I did something incorrectly. Thank you.
Created by PigeonChickenFish (talk). Self-nominated at 09:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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- Some grammatical mistakes in the article. I.e. "United State[s]", "listed [as] one of", "unless [a] Black child", "districts creat[ing]"
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Hook could be re-written to be a bit more engaging. (E.g. "San Jose" and "1861" read as superfluous details. But you don't mention that the Californian Constitution banned African Americans from attending public schools, or that the school closed once segregation was ended, which grabbed my attention.)
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Overall: Also, alternative hooks should provide different information from the ones that preceded it. But currently ALT1 is almost identical to the main. Grnrchst (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the Phoenixonian Institute was created in 1861, and closed once African American students could attend public schools.Source: [1]
- ALT3: ... that the Constitution of California had once banned African American students from attending public schools, in 1861 the Phoenixonian Institute was founded as the first African American high school in the state.Source: [1]
- Comment: I worked to correct the grammatical issues, thank you. I am open to other ALT suggestions.PigeonChickenFish (talk) 00:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ a b c d Five Views. State of California, Department of Parks and Recreation, Office of Historic Preservation. 1988. p. 78.
Samuel Iling-Junior
![Iling-Junior with Juventus U19 in 2021](https://web.archive.org/web/20230116054001im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/UEFA_Youth_League_Juventus-Zenit%2C_2021-11-02_09_%28cropped%29.jpg/114px-UEFA_Youth_League_Juventus-Zenit%2C_2021-11-02_09_%28cropped%29.jpg)
- ... that Juventus' Samuel Iling-Junior entered Benfica–Juventus at the 70th minute while trailing 4–1, making an assist and a key pass in two minutes to reduce the disadvantage, and lose just 4–3? Source: https://www.lacasadic.com/news-serie-c/iling-junior-esordio-champions-league-juventus-25-ottobre-2022/
- Reviewed: Will do later
Improved to Good Article status by Dr Salvus (talk). Self-nominated at 23:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new and long enough (GA yesterday), sourcing and prose is good. Earwig shows no issues. Hook isn't the greatest IMO; it is a little confusing, changes from past to present tense, and has an potential inaccuracy (readers may think that he entered, scored, and assisted within a span of two minutes based on how the hook is worded, which is incorrect according to the article). The assist on Fagioli's winner after 41 seconds is a much better hook fact in my opinion, and more easily digestible. QPQ also still needed.
- Arleady knew I need QPQ. See no issues with the hook. Better waiting for a second opinion. Dr Salvus 16:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC) PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
- I agree that the hook needs to be changed or reworded. Even assuming most of the world is a football fan, it's hard to find the main idea here since the hook meanders and doesn't get to the main point clearly enough. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:56, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Michał Węsławski
- ... that the first non-Russian mayor of Vilnius since the January Uprising was approved only after 43 years in 1905? Source: Wołkanowski, Waldemar (2015). Michał Węsławski. Biografia prezydenta Wilna w latach 1905-1916 [Michał Węsławski. Biography of the President of Vilnius in 1905-1916] (in Polish). Opole. p. 137.: At the Council session on December 7,. M. Węsławski chaired the session for the first time. Doctor J. Sumorok welcomed him on behalf of all councilors and gave a short speech in Polish: "Mr. President! We welcome You, as the first Polish president after 43 years"
- Reviewed:
- Comment: After the January Uprising, Lithuania was put under martial law, and in 1876 a new city law was introduced, giving wealthy residents the right to elect a president. However, even if a non-Russian was elected, the governor blocked the election. Thus invalidated at least two elections of Poles (1893 and 1897) were thus invalidated. Until finally, on the wave of the political thaw in 1905, Węsławski's election was recognized. You can see the list of mayors: Mayor of Vilnius
5x expanded by Marcelus (talk). Self-nominated at 20:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
Luna Park (Coney Island, 1903)
- ... that during the construction of Coney Island's Luna Park, its owners electrocuted Topsy the elephant? Source: Eschner, Kat (January 4, 2017). "Topsy the Elephant Was a Victim of Her Captors, Not Thomas Edison". Smithsonian Magazine.
- ALT1: ... that during the construction of Coney Island's Luna Park, its owners electrocuted an elephant that helped them demolish the site? Source: Eschner, Kat (January 4, 2017). "Topsy the Elephant Was a Victim of Her Captors, Not Thomas Edison". Smithsonian Magazine.
- ALT2: ... that a year after Coney Island's Luna Park opened with 200,000 light bulbs, the competing Dreamland opened with several times as many lights? Source: Maeder, Jay (March 13, 1998). "Shine on Brightly Old Coney Island, 1904". New York Daily News. p. 39.
- ALT3: ... that half of Coney Island's Luna Park burned down shortly after it was sold to its operators? Source: "Operating Lessees to Buy Luna Park". The New York Times. August 3, 1944. "Half of Luna Park Destroyed by Fire as 750,000 Watch; Flames Sweep Over 8-acre Area and Cause $500,000 Loss in 1 1/2-hour Battle". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/_
- Comment: QPQ pending, more hooks later. For ALT0 and ALT1, File:Topsy elephant electrocution Luna Park, Coney Island January 1903.png can be used.
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 19:47, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
Bronisław Malinowski
- ... that Bronisław Malinowski, an eminent anthropologist of the interbellum, made major contributions to the areas of fieldwork, culture, psychology, and economics, among others? Source: easily verified with virtually any cited biography of his, including academic encyclopedic treatments that are accessible through the Wikipedia Library like https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781118896877.wbiehs279
- ALT1: ... that contributions of anthropologist Bronisław Malinowski include dispelling stereotypes about "primitive" economics, superstition and sexuality, and moving anthropology "off the verandah"? Source: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781118924396 + sources present in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_the_verandah and in the article here in the relevant paragraph
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Banu Kalb
- Comment: The second hook might generate more views, it mentions sex :P
Improved to Good Article status by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
- Comment Hooks seem to slightly underplay this major figure. As he was British, the article needs to use British English, which it doesn't seem to. Please check over. I'm not reviewing this. "Interbellum" will not be familiar to many - "inter-war years" might be better. Johnbod (talk) 02:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Edward A. Hanna
- ... that when Edward A. Hanna, the mayor of Utica, New York, brought a locksmith to break into his chief of police's office, they were both arrested? Source: Mr. Hanna and a locksmith were arrested last night on misdemeanor charges of criminal trespass while trying to enter the locked office of Police Chief Benny Rotundo to obtain departmental records.
- ALT1: ... that the mayor of Utica, New York, Edward A. Hanna, banned city employees from talking to the local press? Source: this happened multiple times, but the first one was Utica's Mayor Bars Aides From Talking To 2 Papers' Staffs
- ALT2: ... that when a nine-year-old girl wanted to work at a city park, the mayor of Utica, New York, Edward A. Hanna, tried to raise her age to 16 by proclamation? Source: Utica Mayor Raises Age Of Girl by Proclamation
- ALT3: ... that Edward A. Hanna wanted to eliminate the New York State Assembly while he served in it, and later wanted to close down the government of the City of Utica while he was its mayor? Source: His next public appearance was as a state assemblyman in 1966, and it ended in a similar fashion when he began urging fellow assemblymen in Albany to create a unicameral legislature and, in the process, to abolish their own jobs., and He speaks often about his main proposal to solve Utica's problems. City government should be closed down, he said.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Iszac Henig
Created by Apocheir (talk). Self-nominated at 01:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC).
The full review is to follow, but among the hooks proposed so far I think ALT3 is the most intriguing option here despite being the longest. However, maybe it's just me missing direct mentions, but what's the sentence that mentions that he wanted to close down the city government? In addition, per WP:DYKCRIT a footnote must be located at the end of every sentence that supports a hook fact, and the sentence about him wanting to eliminate the Assembly is lacking such a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 15
Joanna E. Schanz
- ... that Joanna E. Schanz revived broom making and basket weaving in the Amana Colonies? Source: Schmeal, Jacqueline Andre. Iowa Folk Artists. Iowa State University Press.
Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC).
The Brooklyn Tower
- ... that the Brooklyn Tower, the first supertall building in Brooklyn, was described by its architect as both "badass" and "quite elegant"? Source: Wachs, Audrey (July 6, 2016). "SHoP makes the Brooklyn skyline with a "brooding, elegant, and badass" supertall… There goes the neighborhood?". The Architect's Newspaper.
- ALT1: ... that the Brooklyn Tower, the first supertall building in Brooklyn, was described as the "Empire State Building of Brooklyn"? Source: Greenberg, Rebecca (June 29, 2022). "Inside the Brooklyn Tower, the borough's tallest skyscraper". Spectrum News NY1 New York City.
- ALT2: ... that the Brooklyn Tower's design was inspired by that of the Dime Savings Bank Building at its base? Source: Warerkar, Tanay (February 17, 2016). "Brooklyn's Tallest Building Could Have As Many As 500 Rentals". Curbed.
- ALT3: ... that as part of the Brooklyn Tower development, swimming pools were installed above an adjacent bank? Source: Volner, Ian (October 27, 2021). "A Visit to (Nearly) the Top of the Supertall Brooklyn Tower". Curbed.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/_
- Comment: QPQ pending, more hooks later
Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 00:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC).
Piri (singer)
- ... that the drum and bass singer Piri funded her music career by setting up an OnlyFans account? Source: https://archive.ph/XYqpG
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2019 UK Seniors Championship
- Comment: QPQ previously used for Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Lewis (playwright); two were completed but only one was needed.
Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 18:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
Non-notable? - The article itself looks fine in terms of length, content, newness, neutrality, etc (just a few minor formatting fixes need done), but from what I can tell, the subject is not currently demonstrated to be notable. The hook is certainly interesting and it appears QPQ has been fulfilled, so I'd be fine if it wasn't for the notability problem. I've opened an AfD for the article, and per WP:DYKR this nomination should be held pending the result of the discussion. AviationFreak💬 22:13, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
801 Grand
- ... that the 801 Grand is the tallest building in the state of Iowa? Source: http://www.iowaarchfoundation.org/building/801-grand/
Improved to Good Article status by Etriusus (talk). Self-nominated at 14:04, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
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Overall: Article meets eligibility criteria. Recently promoted to GA status. No issues with article's tone etc. Article is adequately sourced. The hook is interesting. The hook's source refers to an archive from 2004 (did I get that right?) Can we get a more recent link? Did a couple of Google searches and it seems to check-out, but, will be good to get a more recent RS link here. No issues detected by Earwig. QPQ done. Passing this back to the nominator. Almost there. Nice work with the article. Ktin (talk) 18:01, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Josiane Lima
- ... that rower Josiane Lima has competed at every Paralympic Games that has featured her sport, being proud to represent queer indigenous women in sport, and won Brazil's first rowing medal?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/L'An 2440, rêve s'il en fut jamais
- Comment: Various sources in article. Open to other hook ideas/refactoring the suggestion.
Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 05:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
Roman Catholic Diocese of Suzhou
- ... that the Roman Catholic Diocese of Suzhou has a bishop imprisoned for 30 years, the first ever mainland Chinese bishop to meet the pope, and the tallest Catholic church building in China? Source: Cardinal imprisoned for 30 years, Pope meets mainland Chinese bishop in first ever public meeting, Tallest Catholic church building in China
- ALT1: ... that the Roman Catholic Diocese of Suzhou has both the tallest Catholic church building in China and the first ever Chinese bishop to meet the pope? Source: Pope meets mainland Chinese bishop in first ever public meeting, Tallest Catholic church building in China
- Reviewed:
- Comment: 5x expanded the article (from ~2,300 characters to ~14,000 characters). The source of the tallest Catholic church building in China is in Chinese.
5x expanded by TheLonelyPather (talk). Self-nominated at 04:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
Sora ga Suki!
- ... that Sora ga Suki! draws from musical theater, with characters expressing their feelings and emotions through dance and song lyrics, despite being a print manga series? Source: Takemiya, Keiko (2019), The Boy's Name Is Gilbert
- ALT1: ... that manga series Sora ga Suki! ended serialization because reader interest was deemed insufficient, but relaunched after its publisher received an influx of supportive fan letters? Source: Takemiya, Keiko (2019), The Boy's Name Is Gilbert
- Reviewed: to come
Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on January 16
XiamenAir
- ... that Xiamen Air is the first Chinese airline to operate independently as an enterprise? Source: http://www.fjsen.com/zhuanti/2019-08/02/content_22572337.htm
- Reviewed:
- Comment: My first En-WP DYK nomination: Translated from zh-wp, expanded from 14k characters to 51k characters.
5x expanded by Mikelolggmrox (talk). Self-nominated at 04:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC).
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