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Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Howard University/Black Women and Popular Culture (Fall 2022)
Last year, a course at Howard University on Black Women and Popular Culture resulted in significant off-wiki harassment of an editor due to canvassing from the instructor.[1] [2] As it happens, this same course is running again this year with the same instructor. I was wondering what has been done by WikiEd to address the numerous concerns editors had about the 2021 course, and what steps will be taken to prevent a repeat of that disaster? Chess (talk) (please use {{reply to|Chess}}
on reply) 19:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ian (Wiki Ed) and I have been in close touch with the professor. We both joined her class virtually this week, gave them general guidance, and answered many of their questions. We made sure the students and professor know how to ask us for help going forward, and we will stay in close touch with them over the course of the assignment. We understand the stakes here, and know how important it is that this class project works out well for both the students and Wikipedia.Helaine (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
A proposal to upgrade user warning template Uw-copyright-new
For those interested in copyright issues, the single-use warning template {{Uw-copyright-new}} has long been available for use on user talk pages to provide students with some basic info on Wikipedia copyright policy in a bulleted message format. A proposal is outstanding at this discussion which would upgrade this template to provide conditional bolding based on some new parameters. In addition, this template has recently been upgraded to mention "Wiki Ed content expert" (it used to say, "campus ambassador"). See example #5 at Template:Uw-copyright-new/sandbox/doc#Examples for an example which may be of interest to editors here. Your feedback would be welcome at Template talk:Uw-copyright-new#Adding bold style to bullet items or text. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:48, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Article talk page cleanup
I was wondering if there is a {{cot}} type template that can be used (or created) for encapsulating the Wiki Education assignment: (as seen here) posts. They can be confusing and hinder readers navigation. Apologizes if this is the wrong venue - FlightTime (open channel) 00:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not at the moment. Genuinely out of curiosity, though, what is confusing/hindering about them? Primefac (talk) 09:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Primefac: The average editor/reader goes to a talk page looking for a particular thing or to start a discussion, it seems confusing to have to determine 5 or 6 to maybe ten posts at the beginning of the listing. Users who are active in the classes on post the template and probably do not return to the talk page, I'm not even sure if at the end of the classes, are the templates removed, are they excepted to be archived, anyway, it just seems to me a talk page would be easier to navigate for regular traffic if there were a dedicated section to add these templates. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think that if, per the date in the post, the class assignment is still in progress, then it's probably best to just leave them there. Once the assignment is over, though, I think it would be fine to archive the posts manually. It also seems to me that Template:Educational assignment is a more useful way of providing the information on a talk page, because it is part of the top material, rather than a new talk section for each class (which is, indeed, rather kludgy), and it can be set to display in the past tense. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Fine. - FlightTime (open channel) 00:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Regarding using it as a banner - that was done in the past, but the template was converted to a section-based message following this TfD. You (Tryptofish) are also correct that the messages can (and should) be archived when the course is over. Primefac (talk) 16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- As a patrolling editor, how do we know when to archive, or should this be the responsibility of the student, or for that matter the instructor. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- If the course is over, archive it? Some of the pages will be auto-archived by a bot too, so that's something to consider. Archiving should be the responsibility of the student, but given that half the time we can't even get said students to engage with the community when there are issues, I doubt making that part of the course would reap any reward. Primefac (talk) 17:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, we all have things to do, I think it should be a requirement for the course instructor to clean up after their class. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:13, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- If the course is over, archive it? Some of the pages will be auto-archived by a bot too, so that's something to consider. Archiving should be the responsibility of the student, but given that half the time we can't even get said students to engage with the community when there are issues, I doubt making that part of the course would reap any reward. Primefac (talk) 17:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- As a patrolling editor, how do we know when to archive, or should this be the responsibility of the student, or for that matter the instructor. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Regarding using it as a banner - that was done in the past, but the template was converted to a section-based message following this TfD. You (Tryptofish) are also correct that the messages can (and should) be archived when the course is over. Primefac (talk) 16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Fine. - FlightTime (open channel) 00:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think that if, per the date in the post, the class assignment is still in progress, then it's probably best to just leave them there. Once the assignment is over, though, I think it would be fine to archive the posts manually. It also seems to me that Template:Educational assignment is a more useful way of providing the information on a talk page, because it is part of the top material, rather than a new talk section for each class (which is, indeed, rather kludgy), and it can be set to display in the past tense. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Primefac: The average editor/reader goes to a talk page looking for a particular thing or to start a discussion, it seems confusing to have to determine 5 or 6 to maybe ten posts at the beginning of the listing. Users who are active in the classes on post the template and probably do not return to the talk page, I'm not even sure if at the end of the classes, are the templates removed, are they excepted to be archived, anyway, it just seems to me a talk page would be easier to navigate for regular traffic if there were a dedicated section to add these templates. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Acceptable error rate for an instructor's students?
When multiple students of the same instructor insert factual errors into medical articles, and the problem continues months after the instructor has been asked to improve QA processes, what do we do? Not naming names yet as I shouldn't name names when I'm grumpy. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 04:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- If no one is responding to reasonable queries and requests to improve behaviour, start handing out short-term blocks. Primefac (talk) 08:12, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Partial blocks may be more helpful, as they would allow the student to participate on school project pages. Alternatively if it's the same article, just semi or ecp it temporarily? CMD (talk) 08:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Also a valid option. Primefac (talk) 09:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- The instructor's students work on multiple articles so semi or ec protection would not be an ideal solution. Primefac are you saying the instructor could be blocked because of the crappy work of their students? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 16:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, I am saying if the students are not responding to reasonable queries and requests to improve their editing, they should be blocked from whichever page, namespace, or project they are disrupting. The instructor of such these student(s) should also be notified, of course, and if there are WMF/WikiEdu-related sanctions for "letting someone run a course without proper oversight" we should seek those as well. Primefac (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- The instructor's students work on multiple articles so semi or ec protection would not be an ideal solution. Primefac are you saying the instructor could be blocked because of the crappy work of their students? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 16:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Also a valid option. Primefac (talk) 09:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Partial blocks may be more helpful, as they would allow the student to participate on school project pages. Alternatively if it's the same article, just semi or ecp it temporarily? CMD (talk) 08:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Clayoquot Can you email me which class this is? I have used partial blocks on students before when they just don't listen - blocking a student from mainspace doesn't interfere with their ability to draft their assignment, but greatly reduces the damage they can do. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:29, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Instructor usernames?
Just noticing that UICLing's username seems to violate WP:ISU? Not sure if it's worth bringing it to their attention or not, but this might be something to watch out for in the future when telling instructors what kind of usernames follow Wikipedia policy. Umimmak (talk) 21:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)