Page creation blockage consensus
Take a look at the following links:
White privilege
Black privilege
They sound very similar, yet one of them is very extensive and the other one has been blocked from being created again. What is the reasoning behind this? What is the current consensus? I cannot find anything regarding this except some small debate about this from 8.5 years ago where the main argument for deletion was probably lack of google search results but this is not the case anymore, and that debate did not cover creation protection. I am not particularly interested with topics covered/to be covered in those articles, just want to improve my understanding how Wikipedia works. Ki999 (talk) 21:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strange topic to discuss - not sure if black privilege even exists, considering how black people for years have tried to form solidarity and safe spaces from racism and antiblackness. Also, blocked as per WP:NOTHERE. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am with the original poster, I am South African and trying, in my spare time, to improve postings about those from Africa and getting intense blowback from Wikipedia. One of whom deleted my first attempt at expanding on a poor entry about a black individual despite me being very careful to note endless citations (my background is as an award-winning author, journalist and documentary film maker, so I am accustomed to ethical, bland writing). I teach and am aware of suggestions never to use Wikipedia as a source, even though I teach my students how to do this, so I am interested in improving Wikipedia content because it is a valuable resource.
- I queried the deletion and got a nasty response.
- I again did the same page, probably missed bits I did the first time because I did not make a print out first time round, and again got a really nasty post suggesting instant deletion. I based the new version on two versions of white veterans in the same industry as this person - except those white famous European veterans have no philanthropic backgrounds, which I’ve mentioned in the African veteran. I’ve protested the suggestion for instant deletion and asked for guidance on proving I have authorization for the pic - no response.
- So the issue isn’t just about black vs white, it is also about how those of us from the under-developed world are treated. CS37MV (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- @CS37MV Heya, newbie. Gotta say, you explained a response to this topic rather well. Even if you are a professional, people gotta learn, learn, learn.
- Also... welcome to the Teahouse! But that's another topic we can discuss. This is the last reply I'm saying on this thread, anyways. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 07:31, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
What do to about suspicious editing
Hi - my turn again to ask a question. I have hundreds of articles on my watch list, and every now and then I come across a suspicious edit. Recently, it's been brand new editors who are doing rapid edits, and seem to have a decent understanding of syntax, policies and edit summaries. Of course they are socks, but there's no easily identifiable other known co-sock to bring to SPI. While sometimes disruptive, it's not necessarily clearly vandalism either, but ranges from editors doing multiple rapid Wiki-links (to get autoconfirmed obviously), using Twinkle to bring articles to AfD, or adding controversies in rapid succession, which hints at a more sinister motive, such as potentially trying to charge businesses to remove the controversies. Rather than just pinging editors I know that combat this type of editing, is there a place to report these accounts so they can be checkusered? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:37, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtempleton Not sure if you already know about this, but I think you may be looking for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. As long as you remember the original account name and their socks, you're good. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @WannurSyafiqah74: Thanks. I know about SPI, but the process requires you to name other known socks when opening a case, and they aren't always apparent. I see new accounts that are definitely not novice editors, but don't have the tools to match their IP addresses to other suspected socks who are already editing, or who may be simply trying to evade blocks. I want to alert patrollers about these new suspicious accounts so they can be checked. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtempleton: I recognise the situation well, and it can be pretty frustrating. One problem is that suggesting that someone is a sock, without evidence of whose sock it is, is a personal attack (I realise you know that, but some people who read this might not be aware of it). There isn't really a centralised place for this kind of situation. Cautioning and warning suspected UPE socks on their user talk page, and then taking them to the Conflict of Interest noticeboard if they don't respond, might be one avenue. Or posting to the talk page of an admin who is active in countering COI/UPE disruption. When it comes to new accounts adding wikilinks and doing nothing else, that's not actually disruptive as long as they don't go against WP:OVERLINKING on a large scale, and hopefully a caution on their user talk page will work. Thing is, even if the account is just adding wikilinks at a rapid pace there is nothing to show that they are a sock or that they are racking up their edit count; I think wiklinking is one of the things new editors are recommended to do as a "newcomer task". Not sure if this was helpful or just rambling :-) --bonadea contributions talk 11:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtempleton: It's also worth bearing in mind that some people edit for years as IP editors before finally creating an account, in which case they'll be familiar with all the syntax. They may also wade straight into something controversial because the controversy was the very thing that prompted them to create an account. Any new editor may also be tempted to do a lot of trivial edits quickly, to build up their edit count and "improve" their statistics "better", it's just human nature. But in the end, if a sock is doing bad things, like removing controversies without explanation, adding uncited material, this can be dealt with without addressing the sockiness. Any editor can be warned and ultimately sanctioned for consistently bad editing. The problem area, where I sympathise with you greatly, is when a sock is causing trouble because of their sockiness: where they are impersonating two people to their own benefit, for example by conspiring with themselves to create what looks like a consensus of multiple editors, where they're !voting multiple times in a debate, or supporting their own AfD nominations. There I suppose the only way we can reconcile AGF and the issue of an account that's stomping around on webbed feet and quacking is to hope that anyone who gets involved will recognise that single purpose accounts who only started editing yesterday are less reliable than someone who's been around for ages and commented sensibly on multiple topics. But it's a tricky one. It's a bit like UPE, which is even harder to prove. Elemimele (talk) 20:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtempleton: I recognise the situation well, and it can be pretty frustrating. One problem is that suggesting that someone is a sock, without evidence of whose sock it is, is a personal attack (I realise you know that, but some people who read this might not be aware of it). There isn't really a centralised place for this kind of situation. Cautioning and warning suspected UPE socks on their user talk page, and then taking them to the Conflict of Interest noticeboard if they don't respond, might be one avenue. Or posting to the talk page of an admin who is active in countering COI/UPE disruption. When it comes to new accounts adding wikilinks and doing nothing else, that's not actually disruptive as long as they don't go against WP:OVERLINKING on a large scale, and hopefully a caution on their user talk page will work. Thing is, even if the account is just adding wikilinks at a rapid pace there is nothing to show that they are a sock or that they are racking up their edit count; I think wiklinking is one of the things new editors are recommended to do as a "newcomer task". Not sure if this was helpful or just rambling :-) --bonadea contributions talk 11:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @WannurSyafiqah74: Thanks. I know about SPI, but the process requires you to name other known socks when opening a case, and they aren't always apparent. I see new accounts that are definitely not novice editors, but don't have the tools to match their IP addresses to other suspected socks who are already editing, or who may be simply trying to evade blocks. I want to alert patrollers about these new suspicious accounts so they can be checked. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
TEATIME
If I said tea time what would your thought immediate say I was asking about. Babydollmissy (talk) 01:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have a Wikipedia question? And yes, I'm thinking about tea. When you say tea time I think of tea. After all, this is a teahouse. But this place is meant for asking questions about Wikipedia. The tea's only role is to give you something to drink while you await an answer from an experienced Wikipedian. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 03:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I was going to say that but like we are going to drink tea and talk 41.114.236.101 (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- English Wikipedia's Teahouse was launched in February 2012. "The name Teahouse is meant to evoke the idea of a comfortable social space for meaningful personal interaction among peers." I suppose 'beer hall' or 'whiskey bar' would not have had the same implied civility. David notMD (talk) 07:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- how about a water shed, perhaps? 💜 melecie talk - 09:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- English Wikipedia's Teahouse was launched in February 2012. "The name Teahouse is meant to evoke the idea of a comfortable social space for meaningful personal interaction among peers." I suppose 'beer hall' or 'whiskey bar' would not have had the same implied civility. David notMD (talk) 07:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I was going to say that but like we are going to drink tea and talk 41.114.236.101 (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Babydollmissy Wikipedia's Teahouse is for questions from newbies. Yes, people can give tea (with the WikiLove feature) to other users, but this isn't a literal teahouse area. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- It makes me think of a line from the extended remix version of Paranoimia by Art of Noise featuring Max Headroom, @Babydollmissy. AoN:TEA? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 13:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Need helping in publishing a new page
Hello. this draft is rejected multiple times, can you please let me know what needs to be fixed? Thanks MD04A (talk) 09:52, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- MD04A Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft was only declined, not rejected- "rejected" has a specific meaning, that resubmission would not be possible. Since it was only declined, resubmission is possible. The reviewers have left the reasons for their decline on your draft, do you have specific questions about it?
- I did notice one issue, you wrote "who is basically from Singapore"; what does that mean? Either she is from Singapore or she isn't. One cannot be "basically" from somewhere. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. "Basically" meant she is born in Singapore and is presently living in India.
- Thanks for pointing it out, let me edit that.
- Can you help me understand more regarding the recent review comment and point out what is missed in the submitted draft, so that I can modify that as well. MD04A (talk) 11:06, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Problems start with the first sentence, MD04A. Master Dr. Sreedharan Sobhana (born 22 May 1957) is the Master, Spiritual Healer and Aromatherapist, [...] Cut "Master" and "Dr" from the very start. The draft provides no evidence that she has a real doctorate. If she does have a real doctorate, then, of course citing reliable sources, specify the subject area, the university and the year somewhere in the section on her education. I see no reason to write "Master, Spiritual Healer and Aromatherapist", so capitalized: "master, spiritual healer and aromatherapist" wouldn't be quite so bad -- however, what do "master" and "spiritual healer" mean here? ¶ Now let's turn to a single factoid. We read that she got "Honorary Doctor of Letters (D.Litt)" from "California Public University". Where is the reliable source for this assertion? Given that the name "California Public University" might give readers the impression that it's an actual university (whereas it is not), should it perhaps be in quotation marks? -- Hoary (talk) 11:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- The "honours and awards" are not notable, one source leads to malware and the other fails verification. Theroadislong (talk) 12:41, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- For a living person, all factual statements must be verified by reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- If the claim for notability rests on her activities as a Buddist, then all mention of fashion, including titles, blah, blah, blah, should be cut. Including images and external links. And as noted, most if not all of the "Honours and awards" are mentions of awards from non-notable organizations (unreferenced), and should be cut. David notMD (talk) 13:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- For a living person, all factual statements must be verified by reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 12:44, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary I know someone who has a Ph.D in metaphysics. I forget what esteemed institution of higher learning granted this important honor. He even has a framed certificate on his wall! 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Metaphysics is just a branch of philosophy. What's so odd about that? Sumanuil. 05:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- When I glanced at it, the draft didn't seem to say anything about any doctorate other than honorary doctorates. (And what was said about these honorary doctorates was, uh, problematic; but let's put that aside for a moment.) There's no general policing of the English language; and if I refer to somebody whose only doctorate is an honorary one as "Dr Somebody", neither she nor I will be bundled into a police van. But she wouldn't normally be referred to as having a doctorate. That was my point. As for "metaphysics", it seems to me to mean either of two very different things: (i) a branch of philosophy (as Sumanui says), or (ii) mere woo (example). -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- The "honours and awards" are not notable, one source leads to malware and the other fails verification. Theroadislong (talk) 12:41, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I wrote a new article on "Consumer Compliance" back in April and it was rejected. I rewrote it and resubmitted it last month and it was rejected again; there was not much feedback as to why it was rejected but an editor is looking into it and said they would provide some feedback soon. Consumer compliance and consumer protection content is important to include on Wikipedia since current coverage of these areas is limited on the site. Would it be possible to add my "Consumer Compliance" article content to the existing "Consumer Protection" page? They are distinct topics but are related enough that combining the two entries might be a reasonable solution. The "Consumer Protection" page warrants expansion and updates. I could start working on that as well. Thanks in advance for your advice. Carchias (talk) 12:39, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- First, the draft was Declined, not Rejected, which is more severe. Second, the second Decline was removed because the reviewer turned out to be a sockpuppet. As it now stands, Draft:Consumer Compliance is a draft awaiting review. As noted, there is a backlog, so this may take time. David notMD (talk) 12:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- The lead should make clear that the article pertains to US financial institutions. Many of there are subjects of existing articles, for example Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, so Wikilinks are needed. I am not suggesting this solves all the problems, but worth doing while waiting for a second review. David notMD (talk) 12:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- I recommend to not attempt to add your content to Consumer protection, as that goes beyond financial regulations and is international in scope. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your reply. I am glad it was discovered that the resubmission was declined by a sockpuppet and so the draft has another chance. I will update it to make it clear the article pertains to US financial institutions and will add Wikilinks where needed. Thank you again. Carchias (talk) 00:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- I recommend to not attempt to add your content to Consumer protection, as that goes beyond financial regulations and is international in scope. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- The lead should make clear that the article pertains to US financial institutions. Many of there are subjects of existing articles, for example Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, so Wikilinks are needed. I am not suggesting this solves all the problems, but worth doing while waiting for a second review. David notMD (talk) 12:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Cloudflare - Add categories /w admin protection
I've previously assigned "Far-right terrorism" and "Websites with far-right material" to Cloudflare's page in light of the KiwiFarms controversy. But it was removed by a user for "mischaracterizing." Can an admin look into it and hopefully reinstate the categories because I don't want to edit war with that user? Thanks! 80.198.195.72 (talk) 15:12, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Admins do not settle content disputes; please discuss your concerns on the article talk page, and offer your reasoning and any reliable sources to support your position. Should discussion fail to resolve the dispute, you may use dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 15:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Cloudflare seems to be more of a site host than a web page, and they host sites for all kinds of companies-- they list IBM and other well known companies on their hosting page. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Help with Draft:Onn.
hi, i'm having trouble with making the references work right on my page i am making, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Onn. Apple788 (talk) 16:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Apple788. Please read Referencing for beginners. You cannot use Walmart's website to establish notability because it is not independent of its own house brand. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Onn.. Maproom (talk) 17:34, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Apple788, and welcome to the Teahouse. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ok sorry I will fix that. Sorry Apple788 (talk) 18:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
- Here's a tip - you can also check this out: Wikipedia:Reliable sources
- I get that you're new, but hey, I wonder if you're ready for some note-taking - gotta keep track of what sites Wikipedia does allow. Hope this helps. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 07:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ok sorry I will fix that. Sorry Apple788 (talk) 18:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
A question about breathing
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi everyone. I joined Wikipedia so I could better find an answer to a question that has been on my mind since June 2020. My understanding of how breathing and speaking works is that a person cannot say “I can’t breathe” unless they have a patent airway. Is this the case, or am I missing something? Gfddn (talk) 00:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Gfddn Start with deaths while in police restraint, covered in I can't breathe. Compromising someone's ability to inhale and exhale adequately does not mean the airway has to be completely blocked. In the infamous Burke and Hare murders, Burke lay across the chest of the people they murdered. Many of the cases listed by the NY Times I can't breathe involved facedown compression restraints, with officers sitting or kneeling on a person's back. David notMD (talk) 02:08, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps having three times the lethal amount of fentanyl in one’s system would make it hard to breathe? Gfddn (talk) 03:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- It probably would, if that had been the case, which it wasn't.[1]-- Sumanuil. 05:54, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Gfddn Are you asking about one case in particular or the general situation? Clearly, many people have died if handcuffed and face down restrained without any drugs or alcohol in their system, or pre-existing medical condition. David notMD (talk) 10:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- It probably would, if that had been the case, which it wasn't.[1]-- Sumanuil. 05:54, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps having three times the lethal amount of fentanyl in one’s system would make it hard to breathe? Gfddn (talk) 03:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
References
Am I in an edit war?
At Perejil Island, I reverted an edit that was questionable but forgot to add a msg to the editor's talk page. Editor revised again. I reverted again and then added a message to the user talk page. They asked for more info, but before I could reply, they revised again, and that's where it stands in the article. I then wrote an extended reply at Talk:Perejil Island, with a peace offering of sorts?
I'm not sure if I'm doing any of this right. I was literally "island hopping" and admittedly made some mistakes when first reverting, not realizing that this island was so touchy, not leaving a msg, etc.
- Q 1 = Am I doing this right? What can I do better?
- Q2 = What exactly is supposed to happen next?
- Q3 = Is there a way to like "bat signal" the countervandalism unit or some other group of editors to just flag potential vandalism? (I see vandalism but would rather not be involved in discussions like the one I'm in at all right now, when I'm barely functioning w the interface and wikitext, plus all the policies wow.)
Thanks, Teahouse! Appreciate y'all. – LumonRedacts 01:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, LumonRedacts, although I agree with you on the content issue, I think that you are probably on the brink of a slow motion edit war. So, I recommend emphasizing discussion of the issues at Talk:Perejil Island and pursuing Dispute resolution. There are several forms available. Cullen328 (talk) 03:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @LumonRedacts, thanks for posting a question at the teahouse. I think you've done a lot of things correctly while handling the situation. You tried to initiate a discussion after reverting and provided quite a detailed account on why you reverted on the talk page of the article (although you should've done so after first reverting, not when your second revert has been reverted). However, I don't quite agree with the assessment (see User talk:Mvtqui) that the edits are vandalism. I believe it is more of a WP:NPOV issue and not trying to deliberately obstruct the project's purpose. Regarding Q2, discussion, like Cullen suggested, is supposed to happen next, although the editor seems unresponsive... I don't think there is some sort of "bat signal" for counter vandalism, although you can always post a question here. Also I've noticed you've been trying to ping yourself in your sandbox, I'm personally not sure if pinging yourself is possible, though WP:MENTION provides quite good guidance on pinging other people. Justiyaya 03:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- LumonRedacts, I agree with Justiyaya that those edits were not vandalism, which has a very specific and narrow definition on Wikipedia, namely, edits with the specific intent of damaging the encyclopedia. The other editor appears likely to be a Spanish nationalist or patriot who truly believes that this little island belongs to Spain and not Morocco. So, please be very careful about the use of the word "vandalism". Cullen328 (talk) 04:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you both @Justiyaya and @Cullen328 (and yes, I'm embarrassed to say that I don't know if those pings work...). I appreciate your insights here (and intervention too, even if it means I got a warning--I get it!). I definitely see more clearly the nuance here re vandalism, NPOV, and maybe "disruptive" after all this. Ugh. Not thrilled about this last round of discourse there, but I'll try to disengage as nicely as I can, I guess? Thanks! — LumonRedacts 03:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- LumonRedacts, I agree with Justiyaya that those edits were not vandalism, which has a very specific and narrow definition on Wikipedia, namely, edits with the specific intent of damaging the encyclopedia. The other editor appears likely to be a Spanish nationalist or patriot who truly believes that this little island belongs to Spain and not Morocco. So, please be very careful about the use of the word "vandalism". Cullen328 (talk) 04:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Capital punishment in Ethiopia
Please move Draft:Capital punishment in Ethiopia to Capital punishment in Ethiopia. Technically unable to move due to redirect. Also, admins refused to move at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. The Supermind (talk) 07:04, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. Please make sure your article is neutral first, add additional citations, and then the article can be moved. Otherwise, it'll stay as a draft due to its current quality. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 07:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @The Supermind: if you wish to sumbit your draft, add {{subst:sumbit}} to the top of the page. however, in it's current state, it is not very neutral in it's prose and is likely to be declined. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 07:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello The Supermind... I agree with WannurSyafiqah74. Furthermore, it is simply a draft article. Therefore it has to be submitted in the AfC section and will only be approved if it passes some "tests" such as WP:Notability. Thanks and happy editing... Volten001 ☎ 07:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
@WannurSyafiqah74: I improved it previously. Now, the article doesn't look like WP:OR or POV and all contents are depend on sources I added. Please if you don't believe, review by yourself, not AfC to wait long time. The Supermind (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- As you have been advised, the article is not written in a neutral tone so it cannot be accepted. It is also full of repetitions and grammatical errors. There is no WP:Deadline so use the time to improve it. Shantavira|feed me 10:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. If you want your article submitted, don't pressure yourself into submitting it: basically, check out WP:NEUTRAL and let some sort of grammar checking extension do the job for you. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- When the editors who work on AFC submissions thinks a submission is viable, they can do the move and replace the redirect. No need for you to do anything special. But if AFC (and now others here also) identify specific problems that make the article non-viable, getting it moved to the real article place prematurely is pointless...someone will just move it back to draft, or even push to get it deleted outright. DMacks (talk) 17:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. If you want your article submitted, don't pressure yourself into submitting it: basically, check out WP:NEUTRAL and let some sort of grammar checking extension do the job for you. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Re: Need help with removing YouTube citations in Pakdam Pakdai's edit history
So, to specify: I told someone to add citations to characters I don't recall in the show, and they added YouTube links to episodes they first appeared in. I do know the article was edited with these citations, but I wonder how these can be removed in the edit history.
I'm not sure about removing revisions in general because those are just YouTube links in citations, which I can just remove and replace with a note, and you can edit previous revisions. Hope this makes sense, thanks! WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 07:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- What you're describing is revision deletion. This is a feature only accessible to administrators, and only used in very serious cases. small jars
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10:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)- So, do I just edit out links in citations? In multiple revisions, too. Just wondering. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @SmallJarsWithGreenLabels I do know notes exist, but I'm asking this question again because it was archived before. I don't know if it's even a regular thing to do, with replacing potentially-copyright-infringing citations in multiple revisions. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- So, do I just edit out links in citations? In multiple revisions, too. Just wondering. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
this message pops up when i go it publish my own association please fix this issue
This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: new user adding external links Sadanand Bhimappa Terdal (talk) 11:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Antispam
- Sadanand Bhimappa Terdal Yes, we don't want you spamming about your organization. I will shortly post information on your user page about this. 331dot (talk) 11:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Life Orientation
advantages and disadvantages of arrive alive 41.115.113.210 (talk) 12:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- If you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia, please ask it. -- Hoary (talk) 12:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
my article was declined. I give up what should I do!
@Babydollmissy My Article XTRA Channels was declined I give up! What should I do?! I give up! Not an article Worthy of Wikipedia either! UGH! I Gonna Give up! 1bridgemeaty (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @1bridgemeaty You're talking about this? There's no content there? Have you forgotten to add some of the content you meant to add? Alyo (chat·edits) 14:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm talking about this they deemed it as "Not An Article Worthy of Encyclopedia" Either! 1bridgemeaty (talk) 15:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi! I get that Wikipedia can be frustrating, with situations like this. Please stay calm, make sure to read Wikipedia's essays (as my tip) and rewrite your article to what best fits the site. Resubmit your draft article if you feel as if you're satisfied. I hope this helps! WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
I cannot believe this! I hate it when they do this! I Feel Like Giving Up! What Should I Do? 1bridgemeaty (talk) 14:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @1bridgemeaty Write the article, then resubmit it. Alyo (chat·edits) 14:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- 1bridgemeaty, despite your numerous expressions of frustration and dissatisfaction expressed all over the place, the simple fact is that your attempt to write an encyclopedia article was nowhere near close to being acceptable. You need to read and study and read and study Your first article, and any further efforts need to be fully compliant with thise standards. Cullen328 (talk) 04:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Feedback on article about DJ/musician
Hi everyone, I've been working on a Draft article about the House music DJ/Producer L'Etranger and wondered if someone would mind giving me some feedback on my current draft please? Draft:L'Étranger (DJ) Djjdwetherspoon (talk) 14:48, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Djjdwetherspoon, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm you've done what many editors do who try to create an article before they have learnt enough about how Wikipedia works. You've got 40 references, most of which are useless for establishing that L'Etranger meets Wikipedia's criteria for notabililty - which means that a reviewer will have to hunt through these seeing if there are any usable references - ones that are reliably published, independent of L'Etranger, and containing significant coverage of him.
- Well done for finding all the sources in archive.org, and for formatting your citations rather than just giving URLs; but unfortunately you've cited them all as published by archive.org, which means that they omit two of the most important parts of any citation: the publisher and the publication date. (See Template:cite web#Using "archive-url" and "archive-date" (and optionally "url-status") for webpages that have been archived for how to handle that). Having said that, I suspect that the majority of these are not reliable sources anyway, so it may not be worth correcting the citation.
- My guess is that the best way to proceed is for you to start from the beginning: start by finding these independent sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you can't find these, then you'll know that there is no point in spending any more time on this project.
- If you have found suitable sources, then you can start writing an article based on what these sources say - not on what you know or what L'Etranger says. ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your advice @ColinFine you've been very helpful indeed. Djjdwetherspoon (talk) 19:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Muhammad Dakhlalla and Jaelyn Young
Id like to change the description of either Muhammad Dakhlalla to "terrorist" or Jaelyn Young to the same description as Muhammad Dakhlalla. They were both charged and found guilty of the same crime yet, Ms Young is the ONLY one described as a TERRORIST. Erika19742003 (talk) 16:03, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- According to one of the sources cited in the article, "Prosecutors Wednesday said they agreed Dakhlalla was less at fault and deserved a lighter sentence than Young, who prosecutors have said prodded Dakhklalla toward joining ISIS and planned the pair’s attempt to travel to Turkey"[1] This seems a pretty strong indication that the court did not consider them to be equally reprehensible. And you are edit-warring to describe him as a terrorist, even though not one of the sources cited does so. According to Wikipedia's Manual of Style, "Value-laden labels – such as calling an organization a cult, an individual a racist, sexist, terrorist, or freedom fighter, or a sexual practice a perversion – may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution." If you want to add such a description, you will need to find and cite several reliable sources which do so, and to attribute the description to them. RolandR (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
How to unlink my name from a page.
Hi, my name Steve Wall is linked to the Wiki page about my band The Walls. Since that page was created I have become successful as an actor. A friend recently pointed out to me that there is no Wiki entry for me and she couldn't create one, as my name is linked to The Walls page. Is there any way to unlink this? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 101watts (talk) 16:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- 101watts Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In Wikipedia parlance, Steve Wall redirects to The Walls. The redirect can be changed to an article- but creating a new article is difficult when it isn't about yourself- never mind when it is. Autobiographical articles are highly discouraged- though not forbidden- per the autobiography policy(please review). This is discouraged in part because people naturally write favorably about themselves, when Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view. It would be best if you allowed independent editors to take note of your career and choose on their own to write about you. If you have reviewed the special Wikipedia definition of a notable actor or the broader notable person and truly feel that you meet it, and you receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources, an article about you may be drafted at Articles for Creation if you choose. You should read Your First Article if you are going to do that. You should also be aware that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 16:25, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- 101watts I just wanted to point out that there's a U.S. photographer named Steve Wall. Though the U.S. photographer doesn't have an article on the English Wikipedia, he does have an article on the German Wikipedia! Though German Wikipedia has its own namespace, there is some likelihood that he'll get his own article on English Wikipedia. One option to consider is for your article to be named "Steve Wall (actor)". This would avoid dealing with the conflict with the existing redirect for Steve Wall and also avoid a potential future conflict with the U.S. photographer. Fabrickator (talk) 17:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, 101watts. I noticed that you are also in another successful band The Stunning, that opened for Bob Dylan five nights in London. Therefore, you meet one of the standards in the notability guideline Wikipedia:Notability (music), which says
a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles
is likely to be eligible for a Wikipedia biography. Coverage in reliable sources about your acting in recent years would only add to your notability. If your friend wants to try drafting an article about you, be sure that she openly discloses the friendship. I would be happy to give her advice about the process. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, 101watts. I noticed that you are also in another successful band The Stunning, that opened for Bob Dylan five nights in London. Therefore, you meet one of the standards in the notability guideline Wikipedia:Notability (music), which says
- Thank you for the response. I have no interest in writing about myself, but if I can unlink my name from The Walls then anyone else is free to do so. Steve Wall (Actor) is a good idea for a separate page.
- I'll give you some background. I am the singer and songwriter in two successful Irish bands The Stunning and The Walls. The Stunning's debut album Paradise in the Picturehouse spent 5 weeks at number one in Ireland upon its release in 1990, followed by a second number one album Once Around the World in 1992 as well as numerous hit singles. The Stunning have opened for the likes of Rory Gallagher (Lark by the Lee, Cork 1992); Bob Dylan (5 nights Hammersmith Odeon London, Feb 1991) and the B52's (UK tour Feb 1991). The Stunning's biggest song is probably Brewing up a Storm which causes thousands of Irish people around the world to go stir crazy:)
- The Walls opened for U2 at Slane Castle (Sept 1st 2001); Red Hot Chilli Peppers (Landsdowne Rd. Stadium, Dublin June 25th 2002), Bob Dylan again (Pearse Stadium Galway, July 27 2004); Crowded House (2007 Sydney Entertainment Centre Nov 6 & 7 and Rod Laver Arena Melbourne Nov 8 & 9. The Walls track Drowning Pool is featured over the opening credits of the movie Begin Again starring Mark Ruffalo and Keira Knightley. Their track "To the Bright and Shining Sun" featured on the EA Sports soundtrack for the UEFA Euro 2004 official licensed game. A new The Walls album of rarities and previously unreleased material is due for release later this year.
- Steve Wall has since been forging a career as an actor on film and television. He is part of the lead cast on "The English (TV series) starring Emily Blunt and Chaske Spencer for BBC/Amazon Studios, which receives its first broadcast on Nov 10 2022 on BBC2/BBC iPlayer, followed by Amazon Prime Video on November 11 2002. Recent credits include the role of Ambrose in the Ridley Scott series 'Raised by Wolves' S1, (HBO Max); principal cast in 'The South Westerlies', a 6-part Irish comedy-drama (Deadpan Pictures/Acorn Media); 'The Witcher' (S1 Netflix) playing the nasty Boholt; and he can be seen in the lead role of jazz musician 'Chet Baker' in the Dutch art house feature 'My Foolish Heart' about the days leading up to the jazz legend's death in Amsterdam in 1988. Other notable roles include: Vikings (Einar); Tin Star S3 (Sean); Rebellion (RTE); and Uncle Danny in Moone Boy (Sky TV).
- His IMDB page for credits etc. is - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2425811/
- A friend pointed out to me that on the Wikipedia page for the new TV series The English, there is no link on my name - The English (TV series) That's what prompted me to get in touch. And upon consideration of your helpful responses, I think it would be better if a third party unknown to me wrote something.
- Many thanks, Steve 101watts (talk) 18:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- 101watts I just wanted to point out that there's a U.S. photographer named Steve Wall. Though the U.S. photographer doesn't have an article on the English Wikipedia, he does have an article on the German Wikipedia! Though German Wikipedia has its own namespace, there is some likelihood that he'll get his own article on English Wikipedia. One option to consider is for your article to be named "Steve Wall (actor)". This would avoid dealing with the conflict with the existing redirect for Steve Wall and also avoid a potential future conflict with the U.S. photographer. Fabrickator (talk) 17:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @101watts Hello - if you have reliable sources surrounding you as an actor, then you may create a draft of the article in a neutral tone detailing what surrounded you,in those sources. Otherwise, redirects are created to certain things associated with the name. (e.g. with Steve Wall) WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:41, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. There is an IMDB page about me here: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2425811/ 101watts (talk) 18:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
How would you evaluate this admin's idiom
Good day! In kk-wiki one admin used in this discussion (38) very straange phrase: Еріккен сарт енегін уқалайды. Do you find it correct to use in any possible dialogue? Ерден Карсыбеков (talk) 18:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi! This is the English Wikipedia Teahouse. We are not equipped to handle matters from other wikis. casualdejekyll 18:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Just for example, if the next phrase in our dialogue would be: It's because lazy sarts usually massage their groin; how would you evaluate such answer? --Ерден Карсыбеков (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- We are not going to get involved in your block and beef with another admin on another project. PICKLEDICAE🥒 18:36, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have a question about editing the English Wikipedia? I'm sorry that I cannot be of help, but this is out of scope for the Teahouse. casualdejekyll 18:36, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Ерден Карсыбеков. Each language version of Wikipedia is run separately. Here at the Teahouse, our job is to assist with editing the English Wikipedia. We lack knowledge about how the other versions operate. Cullen328 (talk) 18:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Just for example, if the next phrase in our dialogue would be: It's because lazy sarts usually massage their groin; how would you evaluate such answer? --Ерден Карсыбеков (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, now I see, have a good tea, or day, au revoir. --Ерден Карсыбеков (talk) 18:44, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Need opinions about a few edits
Hi! I have a few edits that need reviewing, and would appreciate a few opinions on whether to post them or not as soon as possible. Topics: Awards / Career content. RWikiED20 (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- @RWikiED20 welcome to tea house. Communication primarily happens over Wikipedia, so please point to specific content you have created. You can use WP:DRAFT pages for test/in progress edits. Unless you have specific doubts about copyright. But without more information, I cannot tell you whether to post them or not, and that's not the purpose of Teahouse. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi! Thanks for replying.
- I was hoping to get a second opinion about a few of my edits because I wasn't sure whether they conform to Wikipedia's policies.
- I thought I shouldn't post in detail and only stated the topics (award and career content) until I found someone willing to review them. Should I post them? RWikiED20 (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, RWikiED20. Unspecific questions here are hardly ever useful. Is this about Hyomin? You added material, Nkon21 reverted, and you opened a discussion on Talk:Hyomin: that was exactly the right way to proceed, according to WP:BRD (except that what looks like your attempt to ping Nkon21 was not successful).
- However, you then reverted their reversion, which goes against the procedure. Please give them a chance to reply (now I've pinged them here), and see if the two of you can reach consensus. ColinFine (talk) 20:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- I only reverted the Nkon21 edit once because I didn't think there was a convincing reason for deletion in the first place. I'm not willing to revert it again if Nkon21 reverted mine. However, my questions were not just about Hyomin's page but others. Nkon21 and I had multiple discussions on talk pages but we rarely came to an agreement which is why I thought of taking my edits here to correct any mistakes of mine. It's also worth mentioning that I had disagreements with other users before but we did reach a consensus in the end whether the other user accepted my edits or I was eventually convinced and removed my own edits with no further discussion.
- As for the "controversial" content, these are my arguments:
- Vlive awards
- A legit service: Vlive is a streaming service made by Naver Corporation that hands outs different every year.
- A notable award: Vlive is one of the biggest Asian streaming services that helped spread the Hallyu wave globally since 2015. (see main article)
- Reliable secondary source: I originally provided a link to Vlive itself for the awards, since a user suggested adding a secondary independent source, I added one confirming Hyomin won all four awards (even has photo proof on it). The sources I provided are included in WP KR/Reliable sources [2]
- China Powerstar Awards
- Secondary source: Adding to the primary/website, I provided an independent local source as a reference for the nominations and It is a newspaper and not a blog. [3]
- An additional reliable source: I also provided another source for the awards which is QQ China's official website, an independent news site of Tencent QQ (The largest instant messaging and steaming service in mainland China). [4]
- An additional foreign/reliable source: To support my claims, I even added a Korean source (WP KR/Reliable sources approved website). [5]
- A notable award: In all sources I provided, the award and the research company involved were taken as a metric for popularity in China proving the award's worth.
- I know this is too long and specific but would really appreciate it if my edits are convincing/legit.
- I still have others different sources to back up my claims.
- unrelated: is it normal that I never get a notification of the reply I got? RWikiED20 (talk) 21:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello again, RWikiED20. I'm not going to address your questions: that's not what the Teahouse is for. If you can't reach consensus with other editors, dispute resolution tells you what steps to take. Alternatively, you might find a suitable WikiProject to ask: maybe WP:WikiProject Musicians.
- As for notifications: you don't get automatic notifications except when people post on your own user talk page. But it is customary to ping other editors involved, and then tehy will get a notification. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Help with references?
HI, I am helping a bunch of newbie writers to improve the wikipedia articles for electronic literature, and I wanted to list the notable works as discussed in N. Katherine Hayles work, Electronic Literature, from the University of Notre Dam Press. But I have royally screwed it up so far. Can anyone help me undo my mess? How should I be citing the same work over and over again? Should I be citing a different page each time? I want to note where each description is found. Help? List of electronic literature authors, critics, and works. I tried the citation builder, but not sure it worked well? Thanks LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 23:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- I noticed you have a bunch of
{{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid character (help)
errors. Removing the13:
seemed to solve it, although I'll leave it to someone else to decide if I did this correctly. - Also, you have a cite web that is missing a title. I added a title. Now all of the cite errors are gone. Weeklyd3 (talk) 23:36, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
What is a deleted edit?
Hi. My xtools page mentions deleted edits. Is a deleted edit the same thing as a reverted edit? How do I find which edit it was? -- Doktor Züm (talk) 01:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Basically, if a page you edited gets deleted, those edits become deleted edits. Liliana (UwU) 01:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- How do I find out which page it was? -- Doktor Züm (talk) 01:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Unless you're an admin, you can't know, sadly. Liliana (UwU) 01:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you! Doktor Züm (talk) 01:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are many reasons why your edit history may show deleted edits. Maybe you properly tagged a page for deletion and it got deleted. Maybe you tried to save an article about a borderline notable topic and the article ended up deleted. I currently have 1457 deleted edits, but I do not worry about them at all, because all of my edits are to improve the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 08:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- If you need a copy of a deleted article, there are administrators willing to hand out copies of deleted articles unless the deleted article is a copyvio or contains illegal content. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- No, I was just curious. Thanks for your reply. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 09:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Doktor Züm: Your only deleted edit was changing jewlry to jewelry in AVIC VSTOL UAVs. All 38 edits to the page were deleted when the page was deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! -- Doktor Züm (talk) 18:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Doktor Züm: Your only deleted edit was changing jewlry to jewelry in AVIC VSTOL UAVs. All 38 edits to the page were deleted when the page was deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- No, I was just curious. Thanks for your reply. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 09:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- If you need a copy of a deleted article, there are administrators willing to hand out copies of deleted articles unless the deleted article is a copyvio or contains illegal content. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 08:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are many reasons why your edit history may show deleted edits. Maybe you properly tagged a page for deletion and it got deleted. Maybe you tried to save an article about a borderline notable topic and the article ended up deleted. I currently have 1457 deleted edits, but I do not worry about them at all, because all of my edits are to improve the encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you! Doktor Züm (talk) 01:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Unless you're an admin, you can't know, sadly. Liliana (UwU) 01:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- How do I find out which page it was? -- Doktor Züm (talk) 01:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Discography
I just added a discography section to Peter Buck, and it seems kind of long - is there a rule/rule of thumb regarding spinning off a separate discography article? If this qualifies, how is it done? Would I just start a draft, then cut and paste verbatim, or is there a standard format? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 01:52, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Pete Best Beatles: It is long, but it isn't overly long. I think it's fine where it is. If the article gets bigger than 100K, it would be a prime candidate to split out. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- OK! -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 10:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is the lead too cluttered now; too many specific bands and projects? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
About deleting my article
Hello, my article is decline for not adding reliable source. But i am adding all wiki links in my articles. Now I don't understand how or what reliable resource i should add in my article. Can you help me out of this problem? Shaheda01Yesmin (talk) 04:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Circular references are not accepted. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 04:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Shaheda01Yesmin. Your draft article has six references, all of which are links to other Wikipedia articles. As Jéské Couriano correctly points out, one Wikipedia article is never acceptable as a reference in another Wikipedia article. You need to provide references to independent, reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the topic. That is your challenge and our standards are high. Cullen328 (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Given Shaheda01Yesmin's responces to me via -en-help, I'm of the opinion they shouldn't be editing the English-language Wikipedia and should probably be editing the Wikipedia for their mother tongue instead. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 05:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- What kind of sources i have to put in my article. Can you give me an example? Because if i put any news portal link then my account will block by wikipedia. Shaheda01Yesmin (talk) 05:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Shaheda01Yesmin, acceptable sources are reliable published independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. Have you been reading and studying the links to policies and guidelines that other editors have been furnishing to you? Cullen328 (talk) 05:18, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- All of the 'references' are to Wikipedia articles that do not mention Yesmin. Also, if you are Yesmin, then the photograph in the Infobox is not 'Own work' unless you set up a camera with a timer. Who took the photo? David notMD (talk) 06:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Image since deleted from Commons and here for copyright issue. David notMD (talk) 16:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- All of the 'references' are to Wikipedia articles that do not mention Yesmin. Also, if you are Yesmin, then the photograph in the Infobox is not 'Own work' unless you set up a camera with a timer. Who took the photo? David notMD (talk) 06:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Shaheda01Yesmin, acceptable sources are reliable published independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic. Have you been reading and studying the links to policies and guidelines that other editors have been furnishing to you? Cullen328 (talk) 05:18, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Shaheda01Yesmin. Your draft article has six references, all of which are links to other Wikipedia articles. As Jéské Couriano correctly points out, one Wikipedia article is never acceptable as a reference in another Wikipedia article. You need to provide references to independent, reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the topic. That is your challenge and our standards are high. Cullen328 (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy: It is Draft:Shaheda Yesmin. I did some copyediting only to make it clear that the major failing is lack of any valid references. However, I am not sure this can meet WP:GNG. David notMD (talk) 15:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I found nothing online (string: "shaheda yesmin"). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Link from the primary website for methodology
Hello, I found a deadlink in the Methodology section of the page Index of Economic Freedom. Link 25 goes to a dead page - https://www.heritage.org/index/book/methodology I researched and found the right page for the explanation of methodology - https://www.heritage.org/index/pdf/2022/book/02_2022_IndexOfEconomicFreedom_METHODOLOGY.pdf Can I insert this new link and replace the old dead link? The reason why I am asking is because this link is from the primary website, so I wanted to make sure this can be used. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 06:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I have found a suspicious user who probably post articles for money. What should I do?
I'm a newbie in Wikipedia, but I have read the basic guidelines and understand that promotion of private companies and persons is strictly regulated and prohibited. This user is called: Timtempleton. I nominated for deletion two of their articles (Bev company and Ragy Thomas) and I got blamed for being hater, persecutor and a sock-puppet farm whatever it is. I thinks this user's behaviour is suspicious, as they try to blame me and spawn conspiracy theories instead of providing links or perfecting their pages. The feeling that this user is on Wikipedia not just for spreading of free knowledge, but for making money and pushing personal not neutral point of view cannot leave me so I'm here asking for some advice or investigation. 多少 战场场场 龙 (talk) 07:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, 多少 战场场场 龙. Timtempleton is an experienced and respected editor with 12 years of positive contributions to the encyclopedia who has never been blocked. You have made grave accusations against this editor with very flimsy evidence. Is this all the evidence that you have? Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Repinging 多少 战场 龙. If you want to use Asian characters as your username on English Wikipedia, it is a really bad idea to use similar but different Asian characters as your signature. That is an impediment to communication among editors. Cullen328 (talk) 07:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with your main point, Cullen328, but my inner pedant points out that they're the same Chinese characters, with some repetition (or reduplication, to phrase it hoity-toitily). -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen38: I agree with you that a signature containing an apparent username that slightly differs from the actual username is a bad idea (I would add: even in Latin script with an English-sounding name). As much as it is a bad idea, however, this is allowed. A proposed restriction against it was rejected last year. The only hard requirement is that it should contain an easily identifiable link to the user talk page - this signature definitely complies. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328 is the topic here about Asian characters in my username? 多少 战场 龙 (talk) 11:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Repinging 多少 战场 龙. If you want to use Asian characters as your username on English Wikipedia, it is a really bad idea to use similar but different Asian characters as your signature. That is an impediment to communication among editors. Cullen328 (talk) 07:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- 多少 战场 龙, you failed to persuade in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bev (company), but your Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ragy Thomas is still under way. Let it run its course, that's what you should do. If a remark made in the AfD seems to demand a response from you, then make the response there. -- Hoary (talk) 08:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary it's not about failure. I noticed a strange behaviour on behalf of the experienced user. I just nominated for deletion some poor articles (to my view) but what happened next made me upset. Read the discussion and you will see. I'm not here to delete something, I want to obey Wikipedia guidelines. And I see that someone is not doing the right thing. 多少 战场 龙 (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- The decision on Bev (company) was Keep. At Ragy Thomas you started a AfD. In time, a decision will be made about RT. I do see that on your Talk page you were advised to raise a question here at Teahouse, but I see no benefit from you accusing Timtempleton of being a paid editor, nor of Tim having suggested at the AfD that you are a sock. To both of you, please set aside personal attacks. David notMD (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD okay. thanks for your comment here! 多少 战场 龙 (talk) 14:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- The decision on Bev (company) was Keep. At Ragy Thomas you started a AfD. In time, a decision will be made about RT. I do see that on your Talk page you were advised to raise a question here at Teahouse, but I see no benefit from you accusing Timtempleton of being a paid editor, nor of Tim having suggested at the AfD that you are a sock. To both of you, please set aside personal attacks. David notMD (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Hoary it's not about failure. I noticed a strange behaviour on behalf of the experienced user. I just nominated for deletion some poor articles (to my view) but what happened next made me upset. Read the discussion and you will see. I'm not here to delete something, I want to obey Wikipedia guidelines. And I see that someone is not doing the right thing. 多少 战场 龙 (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328: Thanks for the ping. SPI opened at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. You can look at 多少 战场 龙's suspicious edit history, but I also spell it out there. This appears to be a Kerala-based group that is very interested in Ragy Thomas and his company Sprinklr. Two years ago a similar group popped up trying to create a POV-fork on a data collection story involving the company, and after merging the info to the article, I was accused of being paid then as well. I opened an earlier SPI. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Electiondata/Archive, which was inconclusive. Now two years later, the group pops up again. We'll see how this SPI plays out. There are more suspicious editors appearing every day. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
User modules
Are users allowed to have their own Lua modules for their own userpages? Basically, is something like Module:A diehard editor/Something allowed or will it be speedily deleted?
Is there a way for users to have their own Lua modules in userspace like User:A diehard editor/something.lua? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 09:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are two locations you can use which would match with what others have done. Module:Sandbox/A diehard editor/Something or Module:User:A diehard editor/Something -- WOSlinker (talk) 10:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Film Review Info
Recently I created a page[6]. Altogether 5 sources have been added to the page. Four out of 5 are reviews. Two of those reviews are such that appear to be similar information. One of them has been asked to remove the source. And the page has been rejected for review.
- You delete or keep this page. I have no objection.
- In two different source why will one source have to be delete after information have similarity
- When creating page of any film how many soures should there be and how many reviews should there be
PravinGanechari (talk) 09:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, PravinGanechari. Draft:Parichaya has been declined, not rejected. That means that the reviewer thinks that it is possible the draft could be worked on to make it acceptable.
- The purpose of a source is to allow a reader to verify the information; and to show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Often a source is cited more than once in the same article, because it contains a variety of information. But citing two different reviews which are actually the same piece of writing serves no purpose, and is just confusing. It also makes it look as if somebody has added another citation just to get the numbers up.
- There is no fixed number of sources, or of reviews. What is required is that there be enough separate, independent, substantial, sources to persuade a reviewer that there is enough material to base and artricle on, and so that the subject meets the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 11:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Draft Article Review
Draft:Anusha Rai is in review from more then a month some one please help Ntkn766 (talk) 11:37, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ntkn766 Hello and welcome. As noted on your draft, the review "may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,434 pending submissions waiting for review." Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 11:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Deletion of Daniel Boifio Junior
The page I created was speedily deleted for G11 and A7 even though I believe by the guidelines stated by the community, the article passes WP:GNG with a simple Google search. I have request to restore Draft:Daniel Boifio Junior to remove any advertising or promotion language used but to no avail. I need an assistance. Thanks Siagoddess (talk) 13:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Your entire reasoning is predicated on google search results that prove absolutely nothing and doesn't negate the spammy aspect of this. PICKLEDICAE🥒 13:13, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Slagoddess and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read notability to understand the minimum sourcing requirements for an article. ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per WP:GNG, what are the 3 best sources you have? A google-search is not a source, as WP sees it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello ColinFine , Gråbergs Gråa Sång kindly check this sources out:
- Africa.com - https://www.africa.com/eu-ambassador-chooses-dbj-as-personal-manager/
- GhanaWeb - https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/DBJ-is-Ghana-s-most-influential-youth-talent-manager-1311025
- https://ghanasoccernet.com/daniel-boifio-jr-empire-sports-agency-boss-meets-feyenoord-chief-frank-arnesen
- Valley View University - https://vvu.edu.gh/index.php/stories/blog/186-daniel-boifio-s-winning-story
- Starr FM - https://starrfm.com.gh/2022/02/french-ambassador-chooses-dbj-as-her-personal-manager/
- Hello, Siagoddess. I'm afraid that none of those will help.
- Africa.com reports what Gazaaly says about him, and what DBJ says about himself, so not independent.
- GhanaWeb actually says it's a press release. That means it is not independent, and will not contribute to notability.
- Soccernet talks about DBJ meeting somebody (yes, Frank Arnesen is notable, but notability is not inherited). It's a passing mention of DBJ, not significant coverage.
- The VVU university piece is published by his alma mater, so is unlikely to be independent.
- The Starr FM piece at first sight looks the most promising, as it has a considerable amount about DBJ; but on inspection, that section is word for word the same as the GhanaWeb piece, which as we have seen is a press release.
- Please remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the enlightenment ColinFine Siagoddess (talk) 22:13, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I want to restart my life
Hello its me arryo. I have used my ip address as a temporary wikipedia to show that i wanted to get a fresh new start due to being a mature person currently. So my username is cyberllamamusic. Then i was blocked back then in 2021 for a year planned before being upgraded to forever due to my insanity at the past. So i will move on to the better future of the most. So i would make a return for a wikiepdia editing activities. So i had make a arbritation committee message about why i should get unblocked in english wikipedia. Please i want to get a parole to disable my permablock on wikiepdia english as cyberllamamusic. I hope this will understand to us. 125.164.20.52 (talk) 14:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- You were blocked indefinitely for a number of reasons. It is clear that you know how to request an unblock, as you have tried several times. That is the only way to have a block removed. Posting from an IP, as you have done here, is block evasion, and will probably lead to the IP address being blocked. ColinFine (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per User talk:Cyberllamamusic you were originally indef blocked for disruptive editing, subsequently blocked for using other accounts, including more than one IP and also User:Yourairport and User:UrutoramanGuy66. Find another hobby. David notMD (talk) 15:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
User(s) blocked. by Drmies -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per User talk:Cyberllamamusic you were originally indef blocked for disruptive editing, subsequently blocked for using other accounts, including more than one IP and also User:Yourairport and User:UrutoramanGuy66. Find another hobby. David notMD (talk) 15:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Portland International Jetport (PWM) Reference cleanup
Hello. Go to Portland International Jetport, reference section, Reference #2. I cant seem to clean it up, need help please. Thank you for your time.Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC) Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- There's a named reference called
Airport Statistics
. It has been defined numerous times in the article, each one has a different URL. If they all need to be different then you need to change the reference name(s), just adding a number to the end would be enough. - X201 (talk) 15:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
help
Draft:Johnny Wonder - Wikipedia im lost plz help 2601:582:C47E:9920:CD10:8B98:7AF4:17E1 (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Johnny Wonder. Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a specific question about the draft? Please see the comment left by a reviewer. 331dot (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Help needed with first-time article deletion
I believe this article should be deleted (due to WP:N, WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:Technical). But the process has defeated me.
I have previously put {{subst:Proposed deletion|concern=...}} on the article. This was reverted, then un-reverted, then marked as contested. Fair enough.
So to get discussion, I tried following the procedure here. Following the instructions in the yellow bit, I added {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the article, and the edit summary AfD: Nominated for deletion...
Then I started on the orange bit, Create the article's deletion discussion page. I missed the link for Preloaded debate (whatever that is) and clicked on the deletion discussion page link. And now the instructions just get ridiculous. Really ridiculous. Something about adding an afd2 template, choosing categories, deletion sorting lists, delsort templates, deletion logs, log pages, afd3 templates, afd notice templates on Talk pages, etc.
Concluding that there must be an easier way, I spied the Does this look too complicated? box. (Why, yes, now that you mention it, it effing does.) I activated Twinkle and followed the instructions, but when I submitted the form, it told me I couldn't proceed (something about the page already being tagged for deletion?)
I conclude that the wiki concept of blank pages + text + links has been pushed beyond all reasonable limits, and maybe WP isn't for me. Any suggestions? -- Doktor Züm (talk) 17:41, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Doktor Züm, I've created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Endevor and done the related housekeeping business. AfD is rather a bore, but straightforward enough. Never fully remembering the details, each time I simply follow the recipe at Template:AfD in 3 steps. (I don't use Twinkle or any other ancillary Javascript or whatever.) Now please go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Endevor and say there why the article should be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 22:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Help Me
Primefac 331dot I want help for editing and want mentor to guide me ? FNNWiki (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Re: General_Roman_Calendar
Over the last day someone has changed to wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar and deleted almost the entire source of information. I am concerned...and also the wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_1960 . Please advise! Bob Tarver (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, BobTarver. The editor who removed that material mentioned WP:NOTADIRECTORY in their edit summary, which is a subsection of the important policy Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. I agree that this removed content is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:41, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- The editor also pointed out that the content was unreferenced, which is also a problem. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- But the article referenced the wiki article on that particular saint or feast day... Bob Tarver (talk) 19:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- WP-articles are not WP:RS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- But the article referenced the wiki article on that particular saint or feast day... Bob Tarver (talk) 19:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, the editor is NOT going to change the wiki article back to what is was a few days ago? This is been what is was many years in the past (for 10 years). For instance, april 15, in both Calendar, you can look it up and see which feast is going to occur on that day, BUT NOW, you cannot see it... Bob Tarver (talk) 19:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- The editor also pointed out that the content was unreferenced, which is also a problem. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- BobTarver, unreferenced challenged content should not be restored until you gain consensus on the article talk page, and provide a reference to a reliable source. In my opinion, this material is better suited to another website. A Wikipedia article is never an acceptable reference for another Wikipedia article, per WP:CIRCULAR. Cullen328 (talk) 19:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- OK, BUT I think is it a mistake, the General Roman Calendar in 1960 as well as the General Roman Calendar both point out the following unsourced wiki articles from January 1 to December 31, so all you do is confuse the reader ...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_and_societal_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_jurisdiction_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite Bob Tarver (talk) 19:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Institutional_and_societal_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite has 4 references, National_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite has 19 references, and Personal_jurisdiction_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite has 2 references, so I don't know what you mean when you call them "unsourced". CodeTalker (talk) 21:18, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- WP:UNCHALLENGED is not a good argument. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- BobTarver, unreferenced challenged content should not be restored until you gain consensus on the article talk page, and provide a reference to a reliable source. In my opinion, this material is better suited to another website. A Wikipedia article is never an acceptable reference for another Wikipedia article, per WP:CIRCULAR. Cullen328 (talk) 19:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
My article "Newer Super Mario Bros Wii" was reverted and i dont know why
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Two users, @Hemiauchenia and @Praxidicae reverted my Newer Super Mario Bros Wii article, even though it has enough sources to become a article. It has sources from Newer team themselves. i wish to have a explaination for this. TheSecondComing10 (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Have you not read WP:GNG or WP:RS ? Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I did, and i believe it followed GNG. and RS. The article has sources from newer team, and secondary sources. TheSecondComing10 (talk) 18:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, TheSecondComing10. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what published independent reliable sources say about the topic. The Newer team is not independent of this topic. Cullen328 (talk) 18:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, TheSecondComing10. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I did, and i believe it followed GNG. and RS. The article has sources from newer team, and secondary sources. TheSecondComing10 (talk) 18:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @TheSecondComing10: Don't engage in an edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 18:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- At AfD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Newer Super Mario Bros. Wii. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Olivier Wormser
Hello! Ready this article. Check, please. Thanks Станислав Савченко (talk) 19:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Not ready. Do not submit yet. The draft has no useful references. Do more. David notMD (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- ОК, I will make it your remarks.--Станислав Савченко (talk) 20:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Stanislav, this is a translation of fr:Olivier Wormser. You should have stated this in the summary for your very first edit. You did not, you didn't do so in any subsequent edit summary, and you say nothing in Draft talk:Olivier Wormser. State it in the summary for your next edit to the draft, and (because people might not see it there) also in Draft talk:Olivier Wormser. Please read Help:Translation#License requirements, carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 22:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Done--Станислав Савченко (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I did it as I could this article.--Станислав Савченко (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Almost same name
Hi, dear people, i just saw that there is an article on Michelle Jaffe (author) and an article on Michelle Jaffé (artist)... wouldn't it make sense to somehow make the difference evident? One could add the "(author)" in the first article or how else could one make sure that people searching for the one Michelle don't go to the wrong article? Naomi Hennig (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Michelle Jaffé (artist) exists. I found Michele Jaffe, but not Michelle Jaffe (author). David notMD (talk) 20:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Naomi Hennig: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! I see that Wikipedia has two articles: Michele Jaffe for the author, and Michelle Jaffé (artist) for the artist. If someone searches for Michelle Jaffe, they are redirected to the article about the author. In case someone searches for the artist but ends up at the author article, I have added a note to the top of the author article stating: "'Michelle Jaffe' redirects here. For the artist, see Michelle Jaffé (artist)." If you think the redirect should be changed or the author article be moved, I suggest you start a discussion at Talk:Michele Jaffe. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, GoingBatty, i just didn't know what to do! Wonderful that you knew! Kind regards, --Naomi Hennig (talk) 00:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Moving page
How to move a page without leaving a redirect? Such as Draft:Example to Example without leaving redirect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.5.230.247 (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Only Wikipedia:administrators can do this. Ruslik_Zero 20:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
'Most Popular on Wikipedia' page political bias, please help fix
The wiki page "Wikipedia:Popular pages - Wikipedia"
Contains the following: "Joe Biden debuted on the list on November 12, 2020. Consolation for Donald Trump, he became the first human to reach 200 million views and overall second only after his country. More consolation for him, on January 20, 2021, he surpassed the United States for the all time lead among the ranked pages in what we know as the first change of the leading page. The 2021 storming of the United States Capitol gave him the decisive push. By notable contrast, his predecessor Barack Obama could not reach the US in two terms."
The paragraph is confusing, biased & poorly expressed. The word consolation is misused and the paragraph is written with a political bias. I would try to edit, but it's protected and I've never edited a wiki page before. Can someone help me fix this? Psychelabs (talk) 20:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Psychelabs: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your interest in improving this page. I suggest you post a specific suggestion for improving the wording in a new section on the talk page: Wikipedia talk:Popular pages. Also include the {{edit semi-protected}} template at the top of your post to gain attention to your request. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Psychelabs I also made some tweaks (primarily to remove "Consolation"). GoingBatty (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Psychelabs. That is not an encyclopedia article. It is a "behind the scenes" internal page that does not necessarily need to comply with the Neutral point of view. You can express your concerns at Wikipedia talk:Popular pages. Cullen328 (talk) 20:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Psychelabs: Wikipedia:Popular pages is a "behind the scenes" page because the page name starts with "Wikipedia:". We say that such pages are in the project namespace or just project space. It is not part of the encyclopedia. The project space is used for many things, e.g. Wikipedia policies, deletion discussions and help pages like this very page "Wikipedia:Teahouse". There are some goofy things in project space and most of our article rules don't apply there. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @GoingBatty
- Further to @Cullen328 and @PrimeHunter point about this being a "behind the scenes" page.
- I think all the top/trending/popular pages are all "wikipedia:" prefixed. The potential to misuse & misrepresent this data is high. They are also all highly indexed in google & bing.
- Separate to the issue of correcting the page, I think we'd need to agree first what the benchmark/standard/policy is for this content?
- Is there any way to swap them to be part of the encyclopedia, or meet a higher standard of accuracy/neutrality?
- Hello, Psychelabs. That is not an encyclopedia article. It is a "behind the scenes" internal page that does not necessarily need to comply with the Neutral point of view. You can express your concerns at Wikipedia talk:Popular pages. Cullen328 (talk) 20:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Psychelabs (talk) 01:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Psychelabs:, of course all the "top trending" or popular encyclopedia articles are indexed by Google and Bing, as are all of our 6.5 million encyclopedia articles. But they are in the main or article namespace. Material in the "Wikipedia" namespace is intended for use by active Wikipedia editors, not our general readership. There is a long tradition of joking around behind the scenes about most viewed articles, commenting for example on non-existent rivalries for top positions. Nobody should take comments like
Nevertheless, those days Biden was not the most popular. He was outviewed by Kamala Harris. Having logged 3.5 million views on November 7 and 6.5 million the next day, she decisively entered the list (at the expense of Che Guevara) to become the second (after Alexander Hamilton) American on the list who is not President. The third became Martin Luther King in March 2022 (at the expense of Osama bin Laden).
This watercooler humor is not visible to our readers, unless they search for it quite diligently, drilling quite deep. Transforming this type of "inside baseball" content into an actual encylopedia article would be almost impossible, because it would be necessary to reference it to coverage in independent reliable sources, not Wikipedia's own internal statistics. Cullen328 (talk) 01:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC) - Our own search box only searches articles by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Psychelabs:, of course all the "top trending" or popular encyclopedia articles are indexed by Google and Bing, as are all of our 6.5 million encyclopedia articles. But they are in the main or article namespace. Material in the "Wikipedia" namespace is intended for use by active Wikipedia editors, not our general readership. There is a long tradition of joking around behind the scenes about most viewed articles, commenting for example on non-existent rivalries for top positions. Nobody should take comments like
- @Psychelabs: You are correct that the project page Wikipedia:Popular pages can be found in Google's search results. However, all articles (such as the top/trending/popular articles Joe Biden, Donald Trump, and United States) do not contain the prefix "Wikipedia:". The guidelines and policies for the content of pages in the project namespace can be found at Wikipedia:Project namespace and Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#Not part of the encyclopedia. Hope this is what you're looking for. GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Why "Publish changes" doesn't work in this article?
Hello! In this article, I have tried to simplify a wikilink using the pipe trick, but after I click "Publish changes", there is no trace of the edit and nothing appears in the history of edits nor in my list of contributions.
Things work correctly as usual in other articles/pages.
Do you have any idea what would prevent this article from being updated? Thanks! ► LowLevel73 (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi LowLevel73. Exactly which change did you try to make? The pipe trick is for ease of typing when you create a link, not for simplifying the saved code for the link. It automatically expands the code when you click "Publish changes". If you for example change the existing
[[Milburn (band)|Milburn]]
to[[Milburn (band)|]]
then it expands back to[[Milburn (band)|Milburn]]
when you click "Publish changes". If this was your only change then the code would be identical before and after your edit. That means it would be a null edit which leaves no trace in the page history or anywhere else. Is that what you did with this or another existing link in the article? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)- Hello @PrimeHunter, yes, that's exactly what I did. Thank you for the clarification, I didn't read H:PT carefully and I was convinced that the pipe trick was not only to make typing easier, but also to save characters in the saved source code. Thank you! ► LowLevel73 (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Draft:FandomWire
Hi guys! I spent a long weekend gathering references for my first Wiki article to be published Draft:FandomWire. Would anyone be able to look it over and let me know if it is finally sufficient? Thank you. OpticalGMG (talk) 22:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- None of your new citations have any significant coverage. This is the same problem as was pointed out to you last time you asked this question on this page. MrOllie (talk) 22:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- None of them? How is that humanly possible? OpticalGMG (talk) 23:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- From what Im reading under "significant coverage" these articles do mention Fandomwire in key context to the category at hand. What am I missing here. I have more sources, but Im confused on how these aren't reliable. Especially considering I have seen Social Blade used as reference in almost every Wiki associated with something that has a social media account, so Im confused on how absolutley none of the sources are valid. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:12, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- OpticalGMG, at this point you might want to stop trying. In a few years, FandomWire may have gained more coverage (WP:TOOSOON). Sungodtemple (talk) 22:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I have asignificant amount of sources. WHat I am not understaning is why these are not meeting criteria. When they are 1. notable sites 2. They all mention FandomWire in direct corrolation to the main topic of the text 3. I made sure each article was written by staff. Obviously I'm not understanding something. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Mentioning FandomWire is not sufficient. The sources have to discuss FandomWire "in detail" - we should be seeing detailed information about the site itself, not simple mentions of the name or attributions of stories they printed. MrOllie (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay undertandable, so the refernces have to be about FandomWire as a whole and not their coverage. That being said, in the parts where I mention coverage would it be apporpriate to leave a few of those sources in there? Also I have seen SocialBlade used as a refernce on numerous sites, can you confirm this is a viable reference? OpticalGMG (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @MrOllie OpticalGMG (talk) 23:18, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- In theory they could be used to cite various details, but you are not doing the article any favors by stuffing it with trivial mentions before it has been approved for the main article space. Socialblade is similar - it might be a source for a detail but as an indiscriminate directory it does not build the case for notability. MrOllie (talk) 23:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay understandable. Like I said this is my first time and I'm also learning as I go on. I'll see what edits I can make and come back. Sorry for bringing this topic up repeatedly, im just trying to get it right. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay undertandable, so the refernces have to be about FandomWire as a whole and not their coverage. That being said, in the parts where I mention coverage would it be apporpriate to leave a few of those sources in there? Also I have seen SocialBlade used as a refernce on numerous sites, can you confirm this is a viable reference? OpticalGMG (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Mentioning FandomWire is not sufficient. The sources have to discuss FandomWire "in detail" - we should be seeing detailed information about the site itself, not simple mentions of the name or attributions of stories they printed. MrOllie (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I have asignificant amount of sources. WHat I am not understaning is why these are not meeting criteria. When they are 1. notable sites 2. They all mention FandomWire in direct corrolation to the main topic of the text 3. I made sure each article was written by staff. Obviously I'm not understanding something. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- [Edit clash] Number of sources is unimportant, OpticalGMG. Quality of sources is important. I don't know what you mean by "notable site": do you mean "site that's a reliable source", or something else? Mentioning Fandomwire in direct correlation [relation?] to what's in the text is insufficient; what matters is: Does the source say what the draft's text implies that it says? When a web page on a somewhat dodgy website is described as written by (unspecified) "staff" or "staff writer", that's a bad sign. Often it means that what we're looking at is no more than recycled PR junk. -- Hoary (talk) 23:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry yes, by notable I meant reliable. I dont think any of the sites I have sourced ared "dodgy" though. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- OpticalGMG, I looked at all of your references and all of them are just passing mentions of FandomWire. Meeting the Notability guideline requires significant coverage. According to the guideline,
"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
None of your references meet that standard. They all consists of variations on "According to FandomWire . . ." Cullen328 (talk) 23:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)- Yep, I didnt know that until about 5 min ago, but thank you. I am working to fix that now. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- For Social Blade, please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 350#Reliability_of_Social_Blade. -- Hoary (talk) 23:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- About 4 people say its reliable and two dont. which do I go with. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328@Hoary@MrOllie@Sungodtemple I made some changes and I believe everything there directly coorolates to just the site or exaclty the subject of the text. Let me know your thoughts on the updated revisions, and if I should remove the youtube link? It's directly related to the fluctuating reputation so I thought it may be justified , but just let me know. OpticalGMG (talk) 00:19, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328is it the reliability? because all of them pertain to fandomwire or the dubjrct in the text, no? OpticalGMG (talk) 00:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- OpticalGMG, reliability may or may not be an issue for many of these sources. The only one whose reliability I have evaluated is the YouTube source, which is obviously unreliable. Instead, I evaluated whether or not the other sources included significant coverage, which they didn't. Cullen328 (talk) 02:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328is it the reliability? because all of them pertain to fandomwire or the dubjrct in the text, no? OpticalGMG (talk) 00:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Cullen328@Hoary@MrOllie@Sungodtemple I made some changes and I believe everything there directly coorolates to just the site or exaclty the subject of the text. Let me know your thoughts on the updated revisions, and if I should remove the youtube link? It's directly related to the fluctuating reputation so I thought it may be justified , but just let me know. OpticalGMG (talk) 00:19, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- About 4 people say its reliable and two dont. which do I go with. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- OpticalGMG, I looked at all of your references and all of them are just passing mentions of FandomWire. Meeting the Notability guideline requires significant coverage. According to the guideline,
- Sorry yes, by notable I meant reliable. I dont think any of the sites I have sourced ared "dodgy" though. OpticalGMG (talk) 23:26, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- [Edit clash] Number of sources is unimportant, OpticalGMG. Quality of sources is important. I don't know what you mean by "notable site": do you mean "site that's a reliable source", or something else? Mentioning Fandomwire in direct correlation [relation?] to what's in the text is insufficient; what matters is: Does the source say what the draft's text implies that it says? When a web page on a somewhat dodgy website is described as written by (unspecified) "staff" or "staff writer", that's a bad sign. Often it means that what we're looking at is no more than recycled PR junk. -- Hoary (talk) 23:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
OpticalGMG, None of your sources meet all three standards: reliable and independent and devoting significant coverage to FandomWire. Cullen328 (talk) 00:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
My reading, OpticalGMG, is that "Social Blade" seems to be reliable for the numerical information that it provides about some websites, but not for the same kind of information that it provides about others. And that if it provides information (however reliably) about a website, then this does not contribute to indicating that the website is notable. -- Hoary (talk) 00:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- I believe these requirements match its use in the article OpticalGMG (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Then use it, but look elsewhere for the significant coverage that, as Cullen328 has pointed out, the draft needs. You also ask about the Youtube reference. Some fellow using the name "the Lord" or "the Lord's Legion" talks. Not having heard of him, I consulted his channel's "About". This tells us: "Greetings all, as you enter the land of the Lethal Lord. You just simply become one with the New Dead Nation!" And that's all it tells us. So I still know nothing about him. This kind of source isn't usable for Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 00:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Social Blade just provides raw statistics. The content is generated by a computer algorithm, not a human author. It contains no prose and is equivalent to a listing in an old telephone book or a Chamber of Commerce directory. It is certainly not significant coverage, because that website provides precisely the same level of coverage to millions of other social media accounts. Cullen328 (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Some YouTube channels are reliable sources. For example, if a reliable news media organization maintains a YouTube channel containing journalistic content with normal editorial oversight and fact checking, then YouTube videos that they produce and post are reliable sources. Videos produced by respected museums or cultural institutions or universities may qualify. That probably applies to less than 1% of YouTube videos. When a YouTube producer states
Greetings all, as you enter the land of the Lethal Lord. You just simply become one with the New Dead Nation!
, that is convincing proof that the video in question is the exact opposite of a reliable source, and should be removed from the draft along with any content cited to it. Cullen328 (talk) 01:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)- Got it thank you, I may have to take your advice and sit on this one for a bit. It's getting harde and harder to find these articles. OpticalGMG (talk) 01:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, OpticalGMG. You're right that it's getting harder to find subjects for new articles: with over six million articles, most of the obviously notable topics have already been covered. But my question is, why are you concerned about creating a new article?
- And I'm going to try to answer my own question: I remember when I first started editing Wikipedia, 17 years ago, I desperately wanted to "make my mark" by adding an article on a new topic. I didn't find one. In all my editing, I've only ever created a dozen or so articles. But now I know that unless you are lucky enough to stumble on a significant notable topic that hasn't yet been covered (which can happen, but is rare), you can add much much much much much more value to Wikipedia by improving some existing articles - especially by tracking down and adding reliable sources where they are lacking - than by struggling to get a maybe-just-about-notable topic off the starting line. ColinFine (talk) 10:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Got it thank you, I may have to take your advice and sit on this one for a bit. It's getting harde and harder to find these articles. OpticalGMG (talk) 01:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Some YouTube channels are reliable sources. For example, if a reliable news media organization maintains a YouTube channel containing journalistic content with normal editorial oversight and fact checking, then YouTube videos that they produce and post are reliable sources. Videos produced by respected museums or cultural institutions or universities may qualify. That probably applies to less than 1% of YouTube videos. When a YouTube producer states
- Social Blade just provides raw statistics. The content is generated by a computer algorithm, not a human author. It contains no prose and is equivalent to a listing in an old telephone book or a Chamber of Commerce directory. It is certainly not significant coverage, because that website provides precisely the same level of coverage to millions of other social media accounts. Cullen328 (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Then use it, but look elsewhere for the significant coverage that, as Cullen328 has pointed out, the draft needs. You also ask about the Youtube reference. Some fellow using the name "the Lord" or "the Lord's Legion" talks. Not having heard of him, I consulted his channel's "About". This tells us: "Greetings all, as you enter the land of the Lethal Lord. You just simply become one with the New Dead Nation!" And that's all it tells us. So I still know nothing about him. This kind of source isn't usable for Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 00:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
how and where do I start a draft for an article I would later like to submit?
I am asking this because while I thought I was entering a small bio of myself and the "future" article on a military registry I rec'd emails stating It was solicitation and My account was removed. I'd like to write an article for a website I developed and have a wikipedia page for it. there are no veteran registries for the public for which I had developed. Im not trying to solicitate so I will not mention the website. Im just looking for guidance. 24.144.247.150 (talk) 23:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi there! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI). To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the website, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP editor. If your previous account was blocked and the block has not expired, then you are evading your block which is not permitted. Log into your account and request an unblock there. If you continue to evade your block, that will have a very negative impact for a long time to come, so please don't do that. Cullen328 (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wgat did you mean by "and My account was removed." Do you mean that your account was indefinitely blocked, or that the article was Speedy deleted? David notMD (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Have you read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing? If you do get an article about yourself, it won't belong to you, and it can be edited by anyone. There may come a time when something happens in your life that you'd prefer that world not know about, but if someone published the story in a reliable source it can end up in the Wikipedia article about yourself, and you won't be able to prevent it, or delete it. Just something to think about. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wgat did you mean by "and My account was removed." Do you mean that your account was indefinitely blocked, or that the article was Speedy deleted? David notMD (talk) 02:58, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP editor. If your previous account was blocked and the block has not expired, then you are evading your block which is not permitted. Log into your account and request an unblock there. If you continue to evade your block, that will have a very negative impact for a long time to come, so please don't do that. Cullen328 (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
About the PH Highest Gross Film Article
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Philippine_films
Please LOCK this website so NOBODY can edit this. They keep on removing and editing Maid in Malacañang part, where it earned over ₱600 million in gross sales. The bashers cannot believe it and they trolled Wikipedia by editing the page.
Kindly do something about it. KuyaMarvs (talk) 02:56, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy: List of highest-grossing Philippine films. There appears to be edit warring over whether Maid in Malacañang earned more than 300 million or more than 600 million. Neither claim is referenced. Given the movie is a 2022 release, needs a reference. David notMD (talk) 03:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- I've semi-protected it for a period. KuyaMarvs, please discuss Maid in Malacañang in Talk:List of highest-grossing Philippine films. -- Hoary (talk) 03:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Want to list our company
Hello,
I want list our company details on your site, please let us know the procedure. http://medstarhis.com/index.html 59.93.241.161 (talk) 06:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP editor. Wikipedia is not a business directory and does not "list" companies. Instead, we have encyclopedia articles about companies that meet the guideline Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) which is strictly enforced. Read and study Your first article. If you want to make the effort, open an account, make the mandatory paid contributions disclosure, and use the Articles for Creation process to have your draft reviewed by experienced editors. This is a very difficult process. Cullen328 (talk) 06:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- See also Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- You will also need to see and then follow the Wikipedia's policies on Conflict of Interest WP:COI and, possibly, on Paid Editing WP:PAID. --CiaPan (talk) 12:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Unknown question
- Where is the discussion to review the page?
- To which email should the off-wiki evidence be sent?
PravinGanechari (talk) 09:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. It's not clear what exactly you are asking about. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi , Where is the discussion about page review like a notice board. I don't want to discuss any page at the moment but I should have information about it. that's why i asked this question PravinGanechari (talk) 10:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. It's not clear what exactly you are asking about. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- That is an "unknown question" indeed, PravinGanechari. Or anyway a remarkably obscure one. What kind of "review", and of which page? -- Hoary (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- No, my question is not related to any page. I should have known about it that's why I asked this question PravinGanechari (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is this in connection with Draft:Parichaya? - X201 (talk) 09:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- You have made 2,000 edits and created more than 20 articles since starting an account in March 2022. Surely you can improve the nature of your question. Taking the question on its face value, there is no "discussion to review the page." Each reviewer looks at the backlog of more than 2,300 drafts submitted to AfC and picks what they want to review next. David notMD (talk) 10:12, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi X201, This question of mine is not related to any page. I have asked to delete that page [7] PravinGanechari (talk) 10:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- We don't know what you are referencing when you say "the page" and "off wiki evidence". Off wiki evidence of what? 331dot (talk) 10:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PravinGanechari: the draft cannot be deleted at your request unless it's a copyright violation or something equally awful that requires instant removal. You wrote the draft, which would allow you to tag it for deletion at the author's request by adding {{db-g7}} provided no one else had contributed significantly. In this case, the article has been heavily edited by several others. In any case, remember you do not own a draft that you write; anything written here instantly becomes copyright of WP, not the author, and allowing deletion of authors' drafts is merely a courtesy, not an obligation. If you believe it to be a breach of copyright, with text inappropriately taken from outside Wikipedia, you can use {{db-g12|url=URL of source}} but you'll have to give a source from which it was copied. The guide to general deletion is at WP:GD. Basically you can use PROD, proposed deletion, which should only be used for non-controversial deletion, of an article that has never previously been nominated, or AfD for everything else, and if you follow the AfD procedure a discussion page gets created. But don't do this for a draft. Drafts aren't suitable for AfD and rarely even for PROD as they will be deleted after 6 months anyway, if no one is making any effort to get them up to main-space standard. Just walk away from the old draft and it will ultimately go away. Elemimele (talk) 11:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Elemimele , Thank you , but I am aware of the information you have given. I intentionally said that there. Because the user who is there is showing interest in the page PravinGanechari (talk) 12:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Example : The first question was that the way senior editors discuss on the notice board in the case of Reliable Sources. Do senior editors discuss page reviews in the same way?
- Example : The second question was that there is a case pending in the SPI board. You have evidence for that user. If you want to send these via off-wiki, to which email are they sent?
- PravinGanechari (talk) 11:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, PravinGanechari. There aren't any "senior editors": there are just editors, some of whom have more experience and familiarity with the procedures than others. You can find all the noticeboards at Template:noticeboard links and see if any of them meet your need.
- For your second question, see WP:OTRS. ColinFine (talk) 12:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- As ColinFine has said, there aren't any "senior editors". Of course there are old editors. (Consider my username.) Young and old editors don't "discuss page reviews", because there are no "page reviews". Please consider spending less time asking nebulous questions: it's time that you could instead spend on improving articles, or of course on "real life". -- Hoary (talk) 12:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PravinGanechari: the draft cannot be deleted at your request unless it's a copyright violation or something equally awful that requires instant removal. You wrote the draft, which would allow you to tag it for deletion at the author's request by adding {{db-g7}} provided no one else had contributed significantly. In this case, the article has been heavily edited by several others. In any case, remember you do not own a draft that you write; anything written here instantly becomes copyright of WP, not the author, and allowing deletion of authors' drafts is merely a courtesy, not an obligation. If you believe it to be a breach of copyright, with text inappropriately taken from outside Wikipedia, you can use {{db-g12|url=URL of source}} but you'll have to give a source from which it was copied. The guide to general deletion is at WP:GD. Basically you can use PROD, proposed deletion, which should only be used for non-controversial deletion, of an article that has never previously been nominated, or AfD for everything else, and if you follow the AfD procedure a discussion page gets created. But don't do this for a draft. Drafts aren't suitable for AfD and rarely even for PROD as they will be deleted after 6 months anyway, if no one is making any effort to get them up to main-space standard. Just walk away from the old draft and it will ultimately go away. Elemimele (talk) 11:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- We don't know what you are referencing when you say "the page" and "off wiki evidence". Off wiki evidence of what? 331dot (talk) 10:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- That is an "unknown question" indeed, PravinGanechari. Or anyway a remarkably obscure one. What kind of "review", and of which page? -- Hoary (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, so your fundamental concern is that DareshMohan worked on the draft that you wrote, and is adding a lot of messages to your talk-page? If you don't want to interact with them, you can ask them not to post on your talk page. You can delete their comments from your talk page of course. But you cannot delete the draft, or prevent them from working on it. If you have serious concerns about their behaviour towards you, you can of course go to ANI, but to be honest I think that would be a bad idea. In any case, I think you will get better answers if you are more clear about what you want. Elemimele (talk) 12:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Elemimele , Ever since I joined Wikipedia, he has been guiding me in every way on talk page , then he keeps telling me in every way whether I have contributed well or if I have any mistake. But I did not like the mistake he made on the Parichaya page. The reason for this is that no page should have much interest. PravinGanechari (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Misunderstandings are very easy in written communication. If you are becoming unhappy with unwanted advice from DareshMohan on your talk-page and it is making you uncomfortable, I suggest you ask them politely to stop. There is information at WP:KEEPOFF. If you do not wish to stop communicating with them altogether, you will have to explain very clearly what posts on your talk page you consider acceptable, and which you would rather not get. Some notifications and posts are inevitable, especially if you edit in the same areas, but it may be that DareshMohan thought they were being helpful, has been over-enthusiastic in their efforts, and this is merely a misunderstanding that the two of you can clear up. Elemimele (talk) 18:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- My language is Kannada , Tulu and Hindi. I have trouble talking to you. So you are misinterpreting it. If DareshMohan will guide me more than before then it is very good for me. Thank you for answering my questions, don't reply now PravinGanechari (talk) 19:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Misunderstandings are very easy in written communication. If you are becoming unhappy with unwanted advice from DareshMohan on your talk-page and it is making you uncomfortable, I suggest you ask them politely to stop. There is information at WP:KEEPOFF. If you do not wish to stop communicating with them altogether, you will have to explain very clearly what posts on your talk page you consider acceptable, and which you would rather not get. Some notifications and posts are inevitable, especially if you edit in the same areas, but it may be that DareshMohan thought they were being helpful, has been over-enthusiastic in their efforts, and this is merely a misunderstanding that the two of you can clear up. Elemimele (talk) 18:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Elemimele , Ever since I joined Wikipedia, he has been guiding me in every way on talk page , then he keeps telling me in every way whether I have contributed well or if I have any mistake. But I did not like the mistake he made on the Parichaya page. The reason for this is that no page should have much interest. PravinGanechari (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Request for delete
The subject of the draft page Paul Sinakore request it be deleted immediately if possible. Thank you 72.22.119.177 (talk) 11:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- If you represent Mr. Sinakore, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. The subject does not necessarily have a say as to whether there is an article about them on Wikipedia or not, unless they wish to argue that they do not meet the definition of a notable person. See WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. However in this case, the page you refer to is just a draft, and will be automatically deleted in six months. Drafts are not indexed by search engines. You may bring this to Miscellany for Deletion. 331dot (talk) 11:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- As you are new here, a bit of explanation: Sinakore may be notable enough that an article about him is a valid effort even if he opposes it. Drafts are deleted at six months only if there have been no edits nor a submittal of the draft within that time, i.e., abandoned. Any activity resets the clock. Drafts are not found by outside search engines such as Google. Even within Wikipedia, a search on Paul Sinakore would not find the draft. It would require a search on Draft:Paul Sinakore. From your post, it can be guessed that you either represent Sinakore or have a personal connection. As such, you should refrain from editing the draft because of either PAID or COI. You can leave comments on the Talk page if information is wrong. Starting a MfD is a complicated process for a new editor. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Requesting some help for the approval of Wikipedia page
Above is my wikipedia article on 'Udghosh' which is the annual sports festival of IIT Kanpur. The article has been rejected for the reasons shown below:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Udghosh. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.
I've added sufficient references for the information used in the article from renowned news companies such as 'Times of India'. I request your assistance in changing the references and the content in the article to get it accepted. Onkarsd (talk) 12:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Onkarsd: I have made some minor improvements. Still, I cannot say whether the subject's notability is established or not. Veverve (talk) 13:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Onkarsd: welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like you created Draft:Udghosh by copying and pasting the content of User:Onkarsd/sandbox into the draft page. The draft was declined for the reasons you mention, and you have not edited it since then, so it's not quite clear what you are asking here – you haven't added any references. The draft is also written in a very promotional tone, and would not be appropriate as an encyclopedia article for that reason, even if the sourcing should be found to be sufficient. (That is also true about the sandbox version, even though Veverve has rewritten it a bit and toned down the promotionalism). You should blank your sandbox page or redirect it to the draft, to avoid any confusion around the two versions of the page, and then work on the draft to address the problems pointed out here and in the review. Then you can submit it for review again – but I suspect the first reviewer was right, and there isn't enough sourced information for a standalone article about the sports festival. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Onkarsd, you should also be aware that The Times of India is considered to be a medium-to-low quality source; see WP:TOI. You should look for better sources if possible. CodeTalker (talk) 18:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Is there any way to put a timer on a non-free file?
Hello!
I have just uploaded File:Margaret Rope's "Lumen Christi" (1923) - Shrewsbury Museum & Art Gallery 2016.jpg. The artist, Margaret Agnes Rope, will be dead since 70 years by 8 December 2023. Is there a way to put a timer so that when this date comes, the file can be restored in its original resolution and exported to WCommons? Veverve (talk) 12:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- No timer that I know of. It would involve an admin restoring the hi-res version and then someone putting it through the move to Commons procedure. It will be less hassle if you upload it to Commons after the date, and slap a speedy delete on the version here. - X201 (talk) 13:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
David Bowie edit request
Hi! I was reading the article about David Bowie a few weeks ago, when I saw something there that I think is not correct for an encyclopedia. I wrote about it on the article Talk page, and only realized later that I probably should have made a formal edit request instead. Now I don't know how to handle this, as I have never edited anything on a Wiki and I was hoping someone with more skills could either help with the editing or at least comment on whether this is a reason for editing or not. My message is at the bottom of the David Bowie article talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_Bowie . Thanks for your help! 185.50.245.94 (talk) 13:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- And now my message above left before I had added a subject line. Sorry, seems that I'm very clumsy. :( 185.50.245.94 (talk) 13:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- I've added a heading for you. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
How to add a picture?
I created a page a few months back for a 90s TV movie, and on the page's talk page, it was said that the page would quality for B-class status if it had a cover image for the movie (Talk:When No One Would Listen). I... am no expert in adding such images, and I don't want to mess with copyrighted works. Is there any way or place to request such image uploads from somebody who knows how to upload them appropriately in accordance with copyright law? I'm really an amateur when it comes to uploading images, and the time I tried in the past, it was removed for copyright violations, so I'd rather not try again myself. PetSematary182 (talk) 14:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Any image uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons project (see c:Main) is most likely permissibly licensed and can be used in an English Wikipedia article. Uploading your image is definitely much harder, so I appreciate you checking in here. That said, the C/B rating is a bit arbitrary. You can directly change the article to B status if you really want. The ultimate goal is improved quality. See Wikipedia:Content assessment for more. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PetSematary182 forgot to ping! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice. I'm a little nervous about directly updating the article's rating to B. I do have a movie poster for the film that I can upload, but I don't know how to mark it so that I can establish fair use. PetSematary182 (talk) 15:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PetSematary182 Fair use images (this sounds like a reasonable case) cannot be uploaded to Commons, rather they are uploaded directly on English Wikipedia. Follow the instructions at Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. After you are done, feel free to ping me, or ask for feedback again in Teahouse if you like. As long as you are willing to learn, other editors are likely willing to give your edits/uploads a second pair of eyes. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice. I'm a little nervous about directly updating the article's rating to B. I do have a movie poster for the film that I can upload, but I don't know how to mark it so that I can establish fair use. PetSematary182 (talk) 15:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PetSematary182 forgot to ping! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Question
Isn't there a rule somewhere that says maintenance tags (such as {notability}) should not be added to articles currently on the main page? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11 I am not aware of such a rule, but almost any article that lands on Main page, is most likely to have been reviewed by a number of editors, including admins who perform the move, so I cannot image such pages would ever need a {{notability}} tag, but if they did seriously need one, I would WP:Ignore all rules and add one, even if there was a rule somewhere saying otherwise. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:23, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
the irregular at magic highschool selling copies.
Hello. I find this link: {https://www.famitsu.com/news/202112/04243386.html} Is this a realiable source to change the irregular at magic highschool copy numbers from 20 million to 22 million? Wolfp5 (talk) 15:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Wolfp5 Welcome to Teahouse. I am not familiar at all with this domain, but based on what I read in Famitsu, seems reputable enough. If someone else disagreed, they could revert your edit and or discuss on the talk page. The more precise claim doesn't seem drastically different anyways ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:55, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- If the "202112" in the URL is a date, then it is more recent than the current citation, so yes. The URL you've given doesn't work for me: I get a 404. ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Images as sources
Sorry if this has been asked before, but what's the rule on using images(like blueprints or schematics) as sources?
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Victor939 (talk) 16:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Victor939, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's the same as any other source: has it been reliably published?
- If it's not been published, then it can't be used, period.
- If it's been published (eg put up on the web) by some random person, so that there is no reason to trust them to have checked its authenticity then it can't be used.
- If it's been reliably published then it can be cited - but it is likely to be a primary source, which limits how it can be used in an article. ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
link to an article
Hello, I ve just written the introduction article, I now need to prove that this artist actually existed by including links to pictures in magazines or TV interviews. How do I do, TKS Fleuretabeille 16:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Fleuretabeille, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you've begun your article in the wrong place - your User page is for telling a little about you as a Wikipedia editor, not for creating articles. You've also made the classic mistake of inexperienced editors that you've begun writing what you know rather than finding the sources. This is like building a house without surveying the ground first.
- Please read your first article.
- Personally, I always advise new editors (and you're a new editor, even if you created your account a long time ago) to spend some months learning how Wikipedia works before trying the very challenging task of creating a new article.
- Note that "proving that the artist actually existed" is irrelevant to Wikipedia: we have articles on things that don't exist (eg unicorns} as long as they have been written about, but we do not, and will not, have articles on millions of people and things that do exist, if they have not been written about enough to meet Wikipediaq's c criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per ColinFine, if you intend to persist, use WP:YFA to create a draft, then copy what you have wrongly put on your User page into the draft, and then delete the content at your User page. David notMD (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- As for what a draft should contain, see List of contemporary artists for referenced articles that can be considered as models for what you intend. Creating links to pictures of his work is problematic, as all that is probably copyright protected. What is essential is referencing published content about him. David notMD (talk) 17:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per ColinFine, if you intend to persist, use WP:YFA to create a draft, then copy what you have wrongly put on your User page into the draft, and then delete the content at your User page. David notMD (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
International sports on North Korean TV: Does it belong on the North Korean sports page?
I have discovered that KCTV (the state broadcaster in North Korea) airs 2 sports segments on their daily program, on the second and seventh broadcasting hour. Very often these are filled by international sports such as volleyball and tennis. (You can see for yourself here, on KCNA watch video archive. Today tennis and the premier league aired) The issue I am having is both that I am uncertain that it is neccessary, and that an archive of raw video footage is not comprehensive enough of a source. I cannot say WHEN these broadcasts started, HOW North Korea broadcasts this (Although it is likely that they might have sub licensed from the Seoul Broadcasting System, as they did for the Olympics) and what if any effects it may be having. Research on the matter is naturally difficult given the nature of the beast. The only additional info I could find on the matter comes from a seedy article by The Sun (KCNA watch is reputable though). This would suggest that this started around 2020, which would make sense as North Korea has taken covid very seriously and may have wanted to provide entertainment for their citizens that they could enjoy at home. But again, we just don't know
So what is the best course of action here? International sports penetrating North Korea, officially no less, is a huge deal and definetly a development that should be mentioned, especially since this has become regular programming on KCTV, and that Kim Jong Un pledged to make Korea a sporting superpower. To make our lives much easier this has already been covered on the KCTV wiki page in some detail regarding these broadcasts. However not one citation was given for their information on the international football broadcasts. I am aware that I may be making a lot out of nothing here but I consider this to be one aspect of an evolving phenomenon of foreign media penetration into the DPRK since the famine of the 90s. With 88% of defectors claiming to have consumed foreign media in North Korea, and 92% of North Koreans believed to be accesing it (see this research paper) it is becoming clear that the North Korean goverment can read between the lines. I would not be surprised if more foreign media found its way onto KCTV, especially since the spread of foreign media is already spreading faster than the state can control it. But conjecture aside in the above mentioned context I think this is important. I just don't know where this information belongs. Spraymate (talk) 17:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Spraymate. When you write that this is
a huge deal and definetly a development that should be mentioned
, then that is your personal opinion, which is a form of original research that is not allowed in Wikipedia articles. The difficulties of covering North Korean topics on Wikipedia are obvious, but presumably there are reliable sources based in South Korea or elsewhere that cover North Korean mass media. Those are the type of sources that you need to find in order to say or imply that this is a huge deal in a Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 19:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)- The Sun is generally unreliable per WP:RSP but that article you linked to provides a clue:
Martyn Williams, a researcher who monitors North Korean TV
. I would search for coverage of Williams's work in actually reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 19:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)- Here is his website, North Korea Tech. Cullen328 (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I even called the article seedy. I hold that publication in no esteem. I pointed it out to make the point that good sources are lacking. But in hinsight that was not expressed clearly. Granted that website you posted is super useful. Thanks. Also regarding the huge deal comment that was just justification on why I personally think it is worth discussing. I never intended to write that into an article. My question first and foremost was where this kind of information actually needs to be. But if that point needs to be made for some reason it very easily can be. Sports is an important pillar of North Korean propaganda. Broadcasting international sports that does not play into the propaganda of the state is new, hence significant (As the above article states that is how the regime has historically used sports). But again, I do not think that this point would even be written into anything like this because the premise itself is subjective. Spraymate (talk) 20:39, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Here is his website, North Korea Tech. Cullen328 (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- The Sun is generally unreliable per WP:RSP but that article you linked to provides a clue:
lost draft article
Hi, I started an article on guitarist Peter Thorp and now can't find it. Anyone any ideas on where it is? Chenetian (talk) 20:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Some possibilities: Perhaps you neglected to press Publish changes at the bottom, so your content was not saved. Elsewise, I had thought perhaps you had created a draft while not logged in, meaning it would not appear in the history of your contributions but still exist, but I check for Draft:Peter Thorp and that did not show up. There is no mention of a Speedy deletion on your Talk page. The article The Roulettes does confirm that Thorp was a guitarist in the 1960s. David notMD (talk) 21:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Creating a fake Wikipedia page.
I want to create a fake Wikipedia page for the sake of alternate history worldbuilding and some people on DeviantArt recommended I use the Sandbox here on Wikipedia to do that. After making the fake page, I intend on saving it to my personal files and then deleting the fake page so as not to use up server space here.
The question I ask to all here is this: can I even save a page to my personal files? If not, is there someplace else I should go in order to do the intention I have described above? Yehiyorash (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Yehiyorash, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that there is nowhere on Wikipedia where a fake Wikipedia page will be tolerated - if you create one, even in your user space, it is likely to be deleted as soon as somebody notices it. ColinFine (talk) 21:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, Thank you for giving me an answer before I wasted my time. Yehiyorash (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Yehiyorash I have a suggestion: Do what you want, but don't click "Publish changes". Ruwaym (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, Thank you for giving me an answer before I wasted my time. Yehiyorash (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
A Believer or Humanist user is needed
I asked before, reverted, i hope here is the right place. I need a believer or humanist user with realist worldview to give me peace and calm. I have been in various projects for around four years, I need to relax so that I can participate better. I would like to mention that i came to EnWiki as a "Refugee". For more, read my userpage. Best Wishes. Ruwaym (talk) 21:23, 6 September 2022 (UTC)