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Nominations
List of Music Bank Chart winners (2016)
- Nominator(s): EN-Jungwon (talk) and Jal11497 (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
This is the fourth Music Bank related list that I am nominating. I started working on it back in April and now I believe that it is ready to become a featured list. -- EN-Jungwon 16:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
List of World Heritage Sites in Thailand
- Nominator(s): Tone 07:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Thailand has six WHS and a further seven on the tentative list. The style is standard for the WHS lists. Italy has just been promoted (many thanks to everyone who found time to go through that massive list - the next couple of nominations will be shorter) and Cambodia is already seeing some support, so I am adding a new nomination. Tone 07:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Grace Kelly on screen and stage
Grace Kelly was one of the leading actors of Classical Hollywood cinema, here is a list of her roles. As always I welcome all constructive criticism on how to improve it. Cowlibob (talk) 19:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
94th Academy Awards
- Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk and RunningTiger123 (talk) 08:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
We are nominating the 2022 Oscars for featured list because we believe it has great potential to become a Featured List. We followed how the 1929, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021 ceremonies were written. Birdienest81talk 08:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
List of Coppa Italia finals
Since March 2021, I have often read the second nomination and I think I have fixed every user's concern about it. (If I haven't, it may be because I had written many cazzate in it.) I hadn't nominated it before due to a fear to fail it for the fourth time, but I now think the article is OK. I couldn't find the attendance prior to the 1980s, but remember the cup didn't even have television broadcast at that moment, so I think the attendance information wasn't registrated.. Dr Salvus 21:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Though semi-active, I'd like to co-nominate Foghe. He's the one who made the article decent on 18 June 2020. Dr Salvus 13:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion
- Nominator(s): TeenAngels1234 (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because, after several months and years of work, I believe it has reached a level of quality where it can be nominated here. TeenAngels1234 (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - 475 citations. That's a tall order. GamerPro64 02:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Very good work on this article. But I think it's more accurately described as an article, rather than a list. This is just a suggestion, but I think it'd be better to nominate this as a featured article instead; or a good article. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:49, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @PanagiotisZois: I think he tried once but got reverted due to this.Tintor2 (talk) 18:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose not a list, this is clearly an article. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am rather confused now. On the 4th of July my nomination for GA was cancelled because it was considered list, and now I am told that I should do a GAN or FAN instead. The article in TP is still marked as a list, anyway. I honestly wouldn't know what to say.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 08:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Well, this is what the page looked like before you started working on it, so I can understand why it'd be classified as a list back then. But given the extensive amount of work you've put into this page since then and the plethora of information available, this page is not just a mere list. Especially given the existence and extensive size of the "Conception", "Characteristics", "In other media", "Cultural references and interpretations", and "Cultural impact" sections. Whoever looked at the page at its current state and told you it was a list that couldn't be nominated as a good article didn't know what they were talking about. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 09:33, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am rather confused now. On the 4th of July my nomination for GA was cancelled because it was considered list, and now I am told that I should do a GAN or FAN instead. The article in TP is still marked as a list, anyway. I honestly wouldn't know what to say.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 08:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Apologies for piling on, but I agree with the above conversation that this is an article and not a list so this is not the appropriate venue for this nomination. Sorry. Aoba47 (talk) 16:56, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Don't worry. You have nothing to apologise for, Aoba. By now it is obvious that the article is not to be considered a list and that the user who sent me back here by cancelling the GAN was in all good faith wrong. I'd suggest to archive this, since it's now apodictic.-TeenAngels1234 (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- I respect and appreciate your response. It is never a great feeling to get these kinds of comments, but you have taken a very positive and constructive perspective on that. I wish that I was able to keep my cool that well during situations like this one lol. You have done a lot of great work on this article and that should be commended. Best of luck with the future GAN if you decide to pursue that path. Aoba47 (talk) 18:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Don't worry. You have nothing to apologise for, Aoba. By now it is obvious that the article is not to be considered a list and that the user who sent me back here by cancelling the GAN was in all good faith wrong. I'd suggest to archive this, since it's now apodictic.-TeenAngels1234 (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Agree with above. Unfortunately this is now an article. Fantastic work though on improving this as a fellow Neon Genesis Evangelion fan and do not be disheartened. I wish you well. Cowlibob (talk) 19:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Closing, good luck at GAN! --PresN 13:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through.
List of Billboard number-one R&B songs of 1953
- Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Here's the next of my nominations from the history of Billboard's R&B charts. Among the most notable chart-toppers this year was "Big Mama" Thornton's original recording of "Hound Dog", a song later made legendary by Elvis Presley. Anyone who has heard the recent song "Vegas" by rapper/singer Doja Cat will have heard Big Mama's vocals being sampled on that track...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Pseud 14
- Another solid work. Only comment is whether "The "5" Royales" should be sorted as the numeric 5 and not as "five"? --Pseud 14 (talk) 19:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Pseud 14: No idea if there is a rule on this. WP:SORT doesn't seem to offer any help.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know either. The 5th Wave (film) and The 5th Dimension are both sorted as "5" (according to their DEFAULTSORT). - Dank (push to talk) 12:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Same reason as to my clarification too, per Chris's comments . But if we would be going by precedence, I guess Dank's examples would be the way to go? --Pseud 14 (talk) 14:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Pseud 14: fair enough, changed :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Same reason as to my clarification too, per Chris's comments . But if we would be going by precedence, I guess Dank's examples would be the way to go? --Pseud 14 (talk) 14:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know either. The 5th Wave (film) and The 5th Dimension are both sorted as "5" (according to their DEFAULTSORT). - Dank (push to talk) 12:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Pseud 14: No idea if there is a rule on this. WP:SORT doesn't seem to offer any help.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Barbie's careers
- Nominator(s): Antihistoriaster (talk) 21:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Antihistoriaster
I am nominating this for featured list because it is comprehensive, thoroughly documented, well-organized and, to me at least, pretty fascinating as a window into culture and toy history.
Antihistoriaster (talk) 21:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Antihistoriaster
Comments from Lil-Unique1
- Oppose - Clearly this has taken a lot of time, well done on your dedication and committment. I do have some concerns though. The article lacks context, it is in essence an index of jobs that Barbie has had. I also have trouble with that very terminology. Is it about the doll or about the character as she has appeared in anime/Tv/movies? If its about the doll, then dolls do not have professions people do. Dolls are inanimate objects. Therefore is this not about the costumes/outfits and accessories Barbie comes with? as e.g. Barbie dressed as a doctor NOT Barbie as a doctor. All of that aside, I don't think it passes our quality standards either:
- Barbie's Careers sounds awkward. Is there a better title?
- Does this pass WP:NLIST? Has the topic of the careers of Barbie received significant coverage?
- At the moment, almost everything is matter of fact - primary sources saying there's a doctor barbie etc. but no context.
- The second paragraph is one sentence and reads
According to Mattel, Barbie has had over 200 careers, recently including more STEM fields.
The word recently is without context, recently according to when? - Reference one (The Times article) is missing information like its author etc.
- Reference five Barbie.mattel.com/shop is a WP:VENDOR source which are frowned upon
- What makes Barbiedb.com a reliable source? There's no editorial information and its borderline WP:VENDOR / akin to eBay?
- Is there not an over-reliance on WP:PRIMARY sources? Where its not Barbiedb.com, its all almost Mattel Global Consumer, which is clearly related to the topic very close.
- None of the current sources are archived.
Unless I've missed a notability guideline that applies specifically to toys, its my understanding that the WP:RS and WP:MOS would frown upon primary sources, vendor sourcing and it may even border on WP:INDISCRIMINATE. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 21:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding
!scope=col
to each header cell, e.g.!Year
becomes!scope=col | Year
. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use!scope=colgroup
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.|1959
becomes!scope=row |1959
. If the cell spans multiple rows with a colspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Member states of the International Labour Organization
- Nominator(s): Goldsztajn (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because it contains a comprehensive overview of the member states of the ILO. I've been working on the list on and off for 18 months and believe it is probably now the most complete article on the member states of any international organisation on Wikipedia. This is my first FLC. It was nominated for peer review, but received no feedback. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Drive-by comment
- Per MOS:COLOR, a background colour alone cannot be used to indicate something, you need to add a symbol as well -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 09:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- A different option might be to add a column with a green tick or yellow tick denoting founding member or invited, respectively...? Goldsztajn (talk) 10:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- The ticks would have to be in different columns, as having ticks of different colours in a single column would also violate MOS:COLOR.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- That'll be a no, then. :) Thanks, again. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 10:51, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- The ticks would have to be in different columns, as having ticks of different colours in a single column would also violate MOS:COLOR.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- A different option might be to add a column with a green tick or yellow tick denoting founding member or invited, respectively...? Goldsztajn (talk) 10:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Done. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 09:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead.
- Done.
- A few rows seem to be missing their rowscope- for example Republic of Vietnam and People's Democratic Republic of Yemen in the Former members section, and State of Palestine in the next section.
- Done. I've done a check of every row, throughout all the tables, it should be there for all now.
- Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for spotting these and brining to my attention. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:29, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- "presently has 187 member states"- per MOS:CURRENTLY, change this to a statement along the lines of "as of August 2022"
- Done. Revised paragraphs one and two of the lede to accommodate.
- "The ILO was founded in 1919" - you only just said that
- Done.
- Third para of the lead is unsourced
- Only first sentence of the paragraph is not sourced elsewhere, added source for that sentence. Acceptable?
- "Prior participation as part of the Soviet Union." - this is not a complete sentence so shouldn't have a full stop. Check for other such cases.
- Done
- "citing the organisation's lack of support to anti-colonial liberation movements" - here the British spelling of organisation is used, but earlier the American spelling was used
- Done (technically, use here is Oxford English, but still a mistake in consistency nevertheless!)
- Image caption "Visit of Haile Selaisse of Ethiopia to the ILO, August 1924." is also not a complete sentence
- Done
- Nor is "Stamp issued by the GDR (East Germany) commemorating the 50th anniversary of the founding of the ILO."
- Done
- "in the northern Spring of 1990" - spring is not a proper noun so doesn't need a capital S
- Done
- Ref 116 gives a Harv error (the date is wrong)
- Done
- That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for spotting these! Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
59th Primetime Creative Arts Emmy Awards
- Nominator(s): RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:27, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I've been working on more recent Emmy ceremonies, but I saw the sad state this list was in and decided to completely redo it. Fun fact: This ceremony saw the first "broadband" nominee. To quote one article, "Twenty years from now, when Emmy [sic] only recognizes programming found on the Internet, historians will point to the mostly forgotten Drive as the show that started it all." Seems pretty accurate to me. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:27, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee received five wins from 11 nominations, leading all programs in both categories" - what are "both" categories? The last mention of categories said there were 66? Do you mean across the two ceremonies?
- If the presenters are in alpha order, Miley Cyrus should be after her dad
- That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ChrisTheDude: Done. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Birdienest81
- Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, titles of TV series and movies should be italicized even in citations.
- Per MOS:QWQ, quotations within quotations (namely quotations inside the article title) should be formated with half quotation)
- Bob said: "My favorite episode of Cheers is 'Thanksgiving Orphans' which aired in 1986."
Otherwise this is good.
- --Birdienest81talk 09:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Birdienest81: Done. RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support: Good work.
- -- Birdienest81talk 00:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
List of accolades received by Drive My Car (film)
Drive My Car is a Japanese film that received numerous accolades from various outlets. This is my first FLC, and I believe this list meets the criteria. Any feedback is appreciated. Harushiga (talk) 08:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- "while taking inspiration from "Scheherazade" and "Kino,"" - the comma should be outside the quote marks
- Done.
- "two other stories from it" =? "two other stories from the collection" would read more elegantly IMO
- Done.
- "The film had its world premiere [.....] on 11 July 2022, and was released in Japan on 20 August" - how is this possible? 20 August is still three weeks in the future
- On that note, if the film only had its world premiere 19 days ago, how can it have already been nominated for all these awards? Can we assume that you meant to write 11 July 2021?
- Yep, I meant to write 2021. Fixed.
- Was it really the entire country of Japan that was nominated for the Academy Award?
- Other tables for films nominated for Best International Feature Film also use the country in the recipient section, so I assume this to be the standard?
- That's what I got on a first pass -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:49, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:59, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by RunningTiger123
- In citations, if you choose to rewrite titles using italics instead of quotations (example: source 3,
"'Drive My Car' Cannes Review..."
to"'Drive My Car' Cannes Review..."
), the quotations can be removed ("Drive My Car Cannes Review..."
).- Done.
- Nikkan Sports Film Award is in the wrong spot alphabetically (move two spots down)
- Done.
- Check if the Newcomer of the Year award is directly tied to the film – it may only recognize Miura as an individual without citing the film in the nomination. This is supported by the citation saying the film won 8 awards when 9 are listed.
- The article directly cites Drive My Car for Miura's win. The award was given to multiple people, which is possibly why it was not counted towards the total.
- Source 53's reference has issues with italics
- Fixed.
- The New York Times should be marked with
|url-access=limited
- Done.
Overall, this is really good for a first nomination! RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Cowlibob
Initial thoughts
- That is a very short lead that wouldn't even meet the criteria for a DYK. Could this be expanded to mention more important awards/nominations that it has received.
- Expanded a bit.
- What makes AwardsWatch a reliable ref?
- I've seen it used in other featured accolade lists, such as The Tragedy of Macbeth and A Star Is Born. The owner and editor-in-chief, Erik Anderson, seems to be an expert on film-related topics as well. According to his profile on the website, he is a "Rotten Tomatoes-approved critic," and is a member of two critic groups (ICS and GALECA).
- Box Office Mojo is ok on its own, it doesn't need IMDb next to it and the same with Rotten Tomatoes in the refs. Cowlibob (talk) 19:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
List of presidents of the United States
- Nominator(s): Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
The list of the lists! With an annual readership of about 6.67 million, it is the most viewed list on Wikipedia and one of the most viewed page on the entire encyclopedia. A highly important list, this was a FL from 2005 to 2008, until it was delisted. This is a humble attempt by me to take this list back to the featured status.
A few fundamentals first. The structure of the list received a consensus in a recent RfC with the view of not to duplicate cells when using the sorting feature. The images for individual presidents have been decided to be same as those in the info-boxes of their respective pages (in a RfC). Exceptions to this include Barack Obama and a few others; in those cases, talk page discussion had consensus to use the other images. As for the lead image, we had a RfC without any consensus for a particular image, but the overall consensus was for image of some kind (See RfC). Any suggestions about that are also welcome.
I, along with the help of few other editors, to whom I am grateful, worked on the sources of the list and added citations for everything. The prose and "Notes" have also been re-worked till some extent. All constructive feedback is more than welcome!!! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Source review – Pass
Thank you for all of this KS! Due to this list's prominent status on WP, I may be a little extra picky, just so we can get it right. Aza24 (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Formatting
- Source formatting is generally excellent
- Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- You could consider adding more author links, as I suspect some of the ANB biographers have WP articles
- I don't usually add author links, and have removed the sole author link from the sources. They appear consistent now, is it fine? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- You could also consider archiving the urls
- I tried using the "Fix dead links" from the history page, but it is not archiving the references. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Reliability
- If alternative sources are available, I would strongly suggest switching out the rather old sources Goldman 1951, Fairman 1949, Seasongood 1932 and perhaps Willis & Willis 1952 (each of which have a single ref use I believe). AP (1932) is on the older side as well.
- Done mostly all except one. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Surely there is a more recent Coolidge biography that could be used instead of Fuess? Not a huge deal since the only thing being sourced is a single date, but thought I'd throw it out there.
- Removed. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Verifiability
- Is a page range really needed for the Fuess (1940) ref? Surely the date August 3, 1923 is not said over five pages? Aza24 (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Changes Ref. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Aza24, I responded to the points above. Thanks for the source review. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:07, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! I fixed up a few smaller things myself and added an oclc to the book too old to have an ISBN. Sourcing looks great, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 19:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments from Golbez
- I have accessibility concerns with the split cells. I do not have a screenreader so I don't know how they're handled but semantically I don't think they fly. For example, the Election column for George Washington contains two discrete entries separated by a visual element. This was done because consensus was that, if we had sorting, we couldn't allow the sorting to split up rowspanned cells (... It's hard to explain unless you've seen it, I can find a diff if anyone's interested), so they got rid of the rowspans. But the replacement, a visual (i.e. not structural like a table cell) divider, I don't know how that will be handled by screenreaders. This type of splitting is also used in the Party and Vice President column.
- That said, I personally disagree with many of the decisions made here but I won't be petty and oppose solely on that. The accessibility issue, however, needs to be addressed. --Golbez (talk) 21:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- The basic idea behind this table format was to avoid duplication of cells when using the sortability feature. We had to get rid of multiple column cells within a row of a single president to avoid unnecessary duplication. An image of the issue could be seen here. The current table format was proposed and had consensus. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 03:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- I understand that. Consensus does not trump accessibility, however. --Golbez (talk) 03:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- I strongly agree with you. But it appears that, per FL criteria and MOS:DTAB, that the list meets general accessibility requirements of table caption, scope of headers, and the general table layout. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 03:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- I understand that. Consensus does not trump accessibility, however. --Golbez (talk) 03:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Also pinging @PresN if they can tell us if the current table format is an issue for the screen readers. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 03:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- I actually don't know how screen readers handle the "four-dash" lines; I've asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility#Question about how screen readers handle List of presidents of the United States. The list seems fine from an accessibility perspective otherwise. --PresN 18:02, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- They'd read them as either "separator", something like "four dashes", or maybe nothing at all ... all of which are fine by me. Graham87 03:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, Graham, much appreciated! @Golbez, it seems that those four dashes are not causing any accessibility issues. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- They'd read them as either "separator", something like "four dashes", or maybe nothing at all ... all of which are fine by me. Graham87 03:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- I actually don't know how screen readers handle the "four-dash" lines; I've asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility#Question about how screen readers handle List of presidents of the United States. The list seems fine from an accessibility perspective otherwise. --PresN 18:02, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- The basic idea behind this table format was to avoid duplication of cells when using the sortability feature. We had to get rid of multiple column cells within a row of a single president to avoid unnecessary duplication. An image of the issue could be seen here. The current table format was proposed and had consensus. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 03:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- That said, I personally disagree with many of the decisions made here but I won't be petty and oppose solely on that. The accessibility issue, however, needs to be addressed. --Golbez (talk) 21:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments from GoodDay
- Were the changes made to the page-in-question, also made to the List of vice presidents of the United States page? GoodDay (talk) 22:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- That is simply irrelevant to the matter at hand. If you have concerns about the List of vice presidents of the United States, bring them up there, not here. Aza24 (talk) 22:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Was not the last RFC meant to cover both pages? GoodDay (talk) 11:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have no idea, and either way it is still irrelevant to the FL candidacy of List of presidents of the United States, which is judged on its own merits. I have no idea where you're going with this. Aza24 (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Aza24. Feel free to let me know if you have any specific constructive concerns about this list. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- @GoodDay: FLC is solely the process for promoting (or not) individual lists to featured status after review; it is not a mechanism for enforcing RFC, Wikiproject, or content discussion standards (beyond how they shape reviewer opinions), and is especially not for shaping the content of pages beyond the nominee. In my opinion, yes, the VP list should use a similar structure to this list for accessibility (and general presentation) reasons, but that's a discussion for that list and has no bearing on this FLC. Nominators are under no obligation to edit other, un-nominated lists, even if it makes sense from a consistency point of view. --PresN 18:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Aza24. Feel free to let me know if you have any specific constructive concerns about this list. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have no idea, and either way it is still irrelevant to the FL candidacy of List of presidents of the United States, which is judged on its own merits. I have no idea where you're going with this. Aza24 (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Was not the last RFC meant to cover both pages? GoodDay (talk) 11:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- That is simply irrelevant to the matter at hand. If you have concerns about the List of vice presidents of the United States, bring them up there, not here. Aza24 (talk) 22:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- Is there an image that could go in the lead? It looks a bit bare without one......
- I agree. As I specified in this nomination statement, the overall consensus in the RfC on lead image was that we need image of some kind, but couldn't agree on which one. I think which image needs to go in the lead can be discuss independent of FLC. (See RfC) – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- "45 people have served" - may as well say 45 men
- Sure, but I wish this to be changed to "people" again soon! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Notes e and t are not complete sentences so do need a full stop
- Done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, Chris. All addressed except the first! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I suppose the lead image isn't that big a deal. And well done for picking up on what I actually meant with my last point considering that I inadvertently typed the exact opposite of what I meant! :-P -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! And yeah, coincidentally, even I misread it is "do not need a full stop"!! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Pseud 14
A well-written and informative lead for an article that is rather prominent.
- Very minor comment, perhaps we can link "Four presidents died in office of natural cause", since this refers to heads of government or people in position.
That's all from from! Fantastic work.--Pseud 14 (talk) 19:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Pseud 14, done. Thanks for the comment. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
List of international cricket centuries by Babar Azam
- Nominator(s): CreativeNorth (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because pretty much every other cricket century list is featured and I have worked to get it to the standard where I feel it could be featured as well. Thanks in advance. CreativeNorth (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- I am aware that names from the Indian subcontinent don't necessarily work the same as western names, so can you confirm that it's correct to refer to him as simply "Babar" per MOS:SURNAME?
- I'm pretty sure he is refered to as Babar. This tweet from the Pakistan Cricket Board seems to confirm this. Could be wrong though. CreativeNorth (talk)
- "Babar Azam is an Pakistani cricketer" => "Babar Azam is a Pakistani cricketer"
- CreativeNorth (talk) Changed.
- Full stop at the end of the Vaughan quote should be outside the quote marks
- Done
- "He has been named in the ICC Men's ODI Team of the Year on 3 occasions" => "He has been named in the ICC Men's ODI Team of the Year on three occasions"
- Done.
- "four different opponents at five cricket grounds" - I think just "grounds" would suffice, as he's not likely to have scored a century at a football ground
- Removed
- "His first century came in 2016 where he scored 120" - against.....?
- Changed to "His first century came in 2016 where he scored 120 against the West Indies"
- Think that's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comments @ChrisTheDude:, I think I have adressed them all, anything else? CreativeNorth (talk) 14:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Quick comment – This isn't a full source review from me as of yet, but ref 6 needs a publisher (ESPNcricinfo). Giants2008 (Talk) 21:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Giants2008: Corrected. CreativeNorth (talk) 14:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- It's mostly fine, but I question why the second column of the tables (score) is being set as the "primary" column, rather than the "number" column, seeing as the score is not unique and does not "define" its row. --PresN 18:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- @PresN: I think have changed it so that the primary column is the number column. Can you have a look and confirm? Thanks. CreativeNorth (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
List of municipalities in Arkansas
We are nominating this for featured list as it follows the same format of successful nominations from the other twelve featured lists from other states. With reviewer help, our goal is to bring the lists for all states up to the same high standard. These lists are fairly standardized by now and this one should be of the same high standard but there is always room improvements. We are happy to make any recommended changes. Thanks again for your input. Mattximus (talk) 18:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments from ChrisTheDude
- "City of the First Class has [....], City of the Second Class has [....] and an Incorporated Town" - add the indefinite article to the first two to match the last
- I remvoed the indefinite article from the third so all three match, does that work?
- "Any expense over $20,000" - can you be more specific about what this covers? Currently it could be interpreted as referring to any time that anyone in the city wants to spend $20K eg when Dave wants to buy a new car :-)
- Good catch, the source document doesn't specify but I added "municipal expense" to eliminate Dave's car.
- "at least 5 members" => "at least five members" Done
- "Incorporated towns" - needs a capital T for consistency Done
- Photo captions are complete sentences so need full stops Done
- Inconsistent use of Arkansas'/Arkansas's in the photo captions Done
- Two rows have no date of incorporation - is this genuine or an accidental omission?
- This is genuine, there were actually more but Straughn did some digging and filled in what they could (with appropriate references).
- Some rows have two dates of incorporation - would be good to explain how/why this is
- Note d - accounts vary between what and what? Done
- I added a specific note for each case, I believe I have all the cases sourced, so I removed the general note in favour of the specific. Does this work?
- Added explanatory sentence but the wording is directly from the source, I hope that doesn't count as plagiarism as it's very hard to reword.
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Dudley
- "Arkansas is divided into 75 counties and contains 501" As the number is not fixed, you should say "As of date" Done
- "the smallest by population is Victoria with 20 residents". No change needed but as a Britisher I find it remarkable how small US municipalities can be. If half of Victoria residents are voting adults and it has five council members then presumably half the voters have to be councillors? However, the system is much more democratic than the British one, which has boroughs with very large populations.
- No idea how these tiny municipalities deal with the legal obligations for number of council members... it is very odd indeed.
- Maybe have photos of smallest muncipalities as well as the largest?
- A picture of the smallest municipalities would be, without much exaggeration, a person's house surrounded by their property. There might be privacy issues around that.
- All looking good. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Made the one suggestion, but thanks for looking it over! I know they are quite standardized but happy to make any changes! Mattximus (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. Done - Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding
!scope=col
to each header cell, e.g.| Party
becomes!scope=col | Party
. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use!scope=colgroup
instead. Done - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.| [[Adona, Arkansas|Adona]]
becomes!scope=row | [[Adona, Arkansas|Adona]]
. If the cell spans multiple rows with a colspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. Done - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Dank
- Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
- Checking the FLC criteria:
- 1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. I normally check sorting on all sortable columns, but not when the table is this number-heavy. I sampled the links in the table. (Otherwise, if you can deal with PresN's concerns above, that should cover the table review.)
- 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
- 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
- 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, the best I can tell, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
- 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
- 4. It is navigable.
- 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
- 6. It is stable.
- Support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 03:10, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Drive by comment from Goldsztajn
- The captions for the pictures of the top 10 municipalities are somewhat repetitive ... given the title "Largest cities and towns in Arkansas by population" might it be simpler to write "1st Little Rock (state capital)" "2nd Fayetteville" etc? Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, I had the same reaction, but I wasn't sure what to say about it. - Dank (push to talk) 11:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I mixed up the phrasing a bit so that it's less repetitive, how is it now? I still think sentences are best rather than point form (which for me looks strange in a caption), but if it's not diverse enough I'm open to other suggestions for wording. Mattximus (talk) 20:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I've already supported, but if you're asking, and if it were my list, I'd create an additional table with 10 rows ... the first column would be just "1, 2, 3 ...", then the image of the city, then a notes column ... maybe another column. - Dank (push to talk) 20:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- This is not a make or break issue for me, happy to support, but the changes don't really address the problem. I'm not sure about another table and if using ordinal numbering is a problem, what about adding the actual population number? ie "1. Little Rock (state capital), pop. 202,591" etc and change the title of the image gallery to "Largest cities and towns in Arkansas by population (2020)". Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 01:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- I've already supported, but if you're asking, and if it were my list, I'd create an additional table with 10 rows ... the first column would be just "1, 2, 3 ...", then the image of the city, then a notes column ... maybe another column. - Dank (push to talk) 20:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I mixed up the phrasing a bit so that it's less repetitive, how is it now? I still think sentences are best rather than point form (which for me looks strange in a caption), but if it's not diverse enough I'm open to other suggestions for wording. Mattximus (talk) 20:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, I had the same reaction, but I wasn't sure what to say about it. - Dank (push to talk) 11:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Older nominations
List of macroscelids
Here is number 22 in our ongoing journey of animal list FLCs (3 lists for Lagomorpha, 10 for Carnivora, 4 for Artiodactyla, and 1 each for Perissodactyla, Cingulata, Didelphimorphia, and Scandentia), with the last one in a subseries of single-list orders. In this one we find the 20 species of Macroscelidea, or elephant shrews, which despite the name aren't closely related to shrews or any rodent; the elephant part just comes from the nose looking kind of like a trunk, but it turns out they're actually in the same Afrotheria clade of six orders with elephants. These little mammals are native to a variety of habitats in Africa, generally the southern half, and all look fairly similar, though do note the black and rufous elephant shrew, which eschews the dusty camouflage of most of them for a striking black and red. We're missing a few photos of these guys due to their small and reclusive nature, but the science is up to date and the formatting reflects prior FLCs. This will be last one of these lists for a while—I took a break after this one to change genres. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 21:33, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- "They are all around a similar size, ranging from the Etendeka round-eared sengi, at 8 cm (3 in) plus a 8 cm (3 in) tail, to the grey-faced sengi, at 32 cm (13 in) plus a 26 cm (10 in) tail" - I think I mentioned this in a previous FLC, but is there a way to reword this? I appreciate that all these creatures are kinda of a similar size when compared to the entirety of the animal kingdom (i.e. they are small), but is it really accurate to say that they are of a similar size and then list two examples where one has a body literally four times the size of the other? Does that make sense?
- Wikilink biome as a slightly obscure word?
- Is it worth wikilinking savanna on the first usage? It may not be a term that all readers know.....
- Think that's all I got - great work as ever -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:08, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ChrisTheDude: All done, thanks! --PresN 02:14, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Dank
- Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
- An excellent list.
- "Almost no macroscelid species have a population estimate, though the golden-rumped elephant shrew is considered endangered with a population of around 13,000.": I prefer something like: "The only macroscelid species with an International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) population estimate is the golden-rumped elephant shrew, listed as endangered with a population of around 13,000." (And then of course you can use just "IUCN" in the Conventions section ... see my next bullet point.)
- "Conservation status codes listed follow the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Red List of Threatened Species. ... Ranges are based on the IUCN Red List for that species unless otherwise noted.": I prefer: "Unless otherwise noted, ranges and conservation status codes listed follow the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species." I have no preference on whether you keep the "otherwise noted" or where it should go.
- Alt text seems to be missing for the dusky-footed and Karoo rock elephant shrews.
- Checking the FLC criteria:
- 1. The prose is fine. There are no sortable columns. I sampled the links in the table.
- 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
- 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
- 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
- 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
- 4. It is navigable.
- 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
- 6. It is stable.
- Close enough for a support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 18:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Text points done; not sure what you mean about the alt text as neither of those two has a species image (and all the ranges have visible text instead). --PresN 18:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oops on the alt text. I get that "unless otherwise noted" complicates the question regarding the two "Red List" sentences, and I don't have any strong preference. Everything else looks great. - Dank (push to talk) 19:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Text points done; not sure what you mean about the alt text as neither of those two has a species image (and all the ranges have visible text instead). --PresN 18:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
List of most expensive books and manuscripts
- Nominator(s): Hochithecreator (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because it is a well written, well cited article that clearly and with readable prose brings together a lot of information on an important topic that is not available to my knowledge anywhere else on the internet (or at least anywhere of general accessibility) to the same degree of detail and comprehensive coverage. In fact, several of the first results if you google "most expensive books" appear to be direct cribs of the article, though now somewhat out of date. For instance this article is the only place that mentions that the first printing of the Constitution of the United States is now the most expensive. Hochithecreator (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- The article starts with "This is a list of....", which has long been deprecated as a way to start an article (in the same way that an article which was not a list would never start with "this is an article about....."). You should find a more engaging opening sentence. I'd also remove the other semi-meta references to "this list" from later in the lead
- Refs column would look better centred, and I would make the heading Ref(s) as most rows only have one
- Where the description consists of only one sentence fragment eg "Two letters, sold as a set from Yuan dynasty artist Zhao Mengfu to his friend." there should be no full stop. If there are multiple sentences or sentence fragments then full stops are needed.
- "First issue of the first Superman comic book series" - arguably Action Comics was the first Superman series, so maybe clarify as "First issue of the first dedicated Superman comic book series" or similar
- "Illuminated Book of hours on vellum" - no need for capital B
- "First appearance of Superman" - Superman wikilinked on second mention but not first
- "Autograph manuscript" - inconsistently wikilinked/not wikilinked
- Same with "book of hours"
- "Book of Hours originally owned by Galeazzo Maria Sforza" - no reason for capital H
- Marvel Comics links to the company rather than the specific comic, the article for which is at Marvel Mystery Comics. Also, there should probably be a # in front of the 1 to be consistent with the earlier listing of Action Comics #1
- Detective Comics 27 needs # as above
- Also it has its own article at Detective Comics 27 to link to
- That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Also: Martin Goodman was the publisher of Marvel Comics #1, not the author. Might be more consistent to credit Carl Burgos and Bill Everett, who did the Human Torch and Sub-Mariner stories respectively. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
A really interesting list, but shouldn't it be called something like "List of printed books and other documents which have sold for more than US$1 million"? A copy of the Codex Sinaiticus was bought for the British Museum for £100,000 in 1933 which, with inflation, surely makes it more expensive than some of the items on the list, but it fails to meet the criterion of costing more than $1m. Also, I don't mind for an article like this that it "may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness" (e.g. we could not include unreported private sales), but how can readers be confident about the list being a reasonably complete one of publicly known sales? Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding
!scope=col
to each header cell, e.g.!rowspan=2|Author
becomes!scope=col rowspan=2|Author
. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use!scope=colgroup
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.|''[[United States Constitution]]''</code> becomes <code><nowiki>!scope=row |''[[United States Constitution]]''
. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. Note: This would make your third column the "primary", which is correct since it's the one that "defines" the row- the first row is the row for the Constitution, not the row for "43.2 million". If this looks odd to you, it would be best solved by moving the title of the work over to the first column, not the third. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 18:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- I realise that there has been a lot of work done here, but I worry this treads into original research. Were it a list of documents sold for more than US$1 million it would be very clear. The difficulty is how does one arrive at a contemporary value to rank the documents, without engaging in original research? The conversions to current value all use the
{{Inflation}}
template, however, it seems to me that there are two problems with the use of that template. First, that template indicates changes in price for consumer goods, it is not for use in regards to capital goods. That problem cannot be overcome by using the GDP inflator, which is for use for assets/capital goods, but cannot be used for change in value for collectible items which are notoriously fluid, rather a specific index informed by asset pricing theory in collectibles is needed. The second problem is the sale prices are not universally in US$ - a item purchased in one market in-/de-flates at different levels than that purchased in another (and these items have all realised their values, ie were sold, in different countries). Again, how to account for exchange rate change? How to account for differences between prices realised in national markets versus an international market? Unless there is a source that can give a recent value for all these items, (or possibly an agreed index, reliably sourced, to apply to the sale prices), the adjusted contemporary prices/value all appear to me as original research. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
List of Billboard number-one R&B songs of 1952
- Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone, here's my 11th nomination of a list of number ones on the precursor of the Billboard R&B/hip-hop chart. This one goes out to my dad, who absolutely loves the music of Fats Domino, who had his first chart-topper in this year...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Pseud 14
- Great work on another well-written series! My only comment is how "5–10–15 Hours" is sorted as "Five Ten Five" instead of being sorted in numeric order? --Pseud 14 (talk) 18:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Pseud 14: - amended -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Source review
- This is not required for the FLC, but I would encourage you to archive all your web citations to avoid future annoyance with link rot and death. This suggestion was brought on after I saw Citations 6, 7, and 10 are not archived.
- I know this is a pain, but for the Billboard citations through Google Books, I would include the ISSNs so the citation has all the information.
- All the citations are reliable and high-quality for a featured list. They are all from publications that I would expect to see in this kind of list.
- I have done a few spot checks, and from what I have seen at least, all of the information in the article is accurate and supported by the citations.
Solid job as always. This will pass my source review once the Billboard citations are complete. The citation archiving is more of a suggestion than anything. Best of luck with this FLC! Aoba47 (talk) 00:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Aoba47: - added the ISSN. Can you remind me of the bot/script/thingy that I can run to archive the citations? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:22, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response. Here is the link to the IABot. Since archiving is not a required part of the FLC process. This passes my source review. If possible, I'd appreciate any help with my current peer review, but I completely understand if you do not have the time or interest. Either way, have a great rest of your week! Aoba47 (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Dank
- Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
- There may or may not be a copyright issue with the B.B. King image, judging by the uploader's talk page on Commons; also, this doesn't look to me like a photo taken by a fan. Regarding the Dominoes image, is there any indication that Maurice Seymour Studio has waived their rights?
- A table caption is required, with or without an sronly template, so I added one.
- Checking the FLC criteria:
- 1. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. I checked sorting on all sortable columns and sampled the links in the table.
- 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
- 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
- 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any actual problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
- 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
- 4. It is navigable.
- 5. It meets style requirements. The images seem fine apart from the points already mentioned.
- 6. It is stable. - Dank (push to talk) 19:20, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Dank: many thanks for adding the caption, I can't believe I am still forgetting that. I have replaced the two images you queried -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Looks great. - Dank (push to talk) 20:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
List of songs recorded by Ella Henderson
- Nominator(s): >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 11:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because it has been newly created in the last few days following other FL examples such as List of songs recorded by Madonna. I want to demonstrate that an artist does not need to have a long career and 000s of releases to have things like a List of Songs page, and that for an artist like Ella Henderson who has written for others and released lots of featured singles good quality information can be found. I think this article is a good example of how these types of pages can look. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 11:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Support Comments from K. Peake
Resolved comments from K. Peake
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Merge the first para with the second one per overly short size and the usage of full-stops is inconsistent on img text; this does apply to both sentences with or without commas. Remove or replace Daily Mirror, Evening Standard and Metro per WP:RSP. Outside of these concerns, good job on this list that is well-written and sourced! --K. Peake 20:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Comments
- "both as a guest and collaborative vocalist" - aren't those just the same thing?
- I was trying to imply that Henderson has appeared as a co-lead and featured artist with other singers. Is that better wording?
- I would have thought just "guest vocalist" would cover it...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Addressed >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 13:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- "Henderson began at a young age" - we all began at a young age :-) Think there are some words missing here
- fixed
- "according to her father Sean, At the age of two" - sentence seemingly ends with a comma
- fixed
- "entered the series nine" - either "the ninth series" or just "series nine", not "the series nine"
- fixed
- "Henderson would sign with" => "Henderson signed with"
- fixed
- "and begin work on her debut album" => "and began work on her debut album"
- fixed
- "Henderson would experience severe anxiety" => "Henderson experienced severe anxiety"
- fixed
- "between her first and second album" => "between her first and second albums"
- fixed
- "Between 2015 and 2019, Henderson would appear" => "Between 2015 and 2019, Henderson appeared"
- fixed
- Image caption: "American producer worked with Henderson on the song "The First Time"." - might be handy to mention his name :-D
- fixed
- There are multiple instances where you list different recordings of the same song separately. These are not different songs, so I see no real reason to list them separately. For example, for "Give Your Heart Away" or "Rockets", all the cells are identical, so you could simply have one row and put a footnote saying that an acoustic version was also available.
- fixed
- Notes are all complete sentences so need full stops
- fixed
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the comments ChrisTheDude. I believe these have all been addressed. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 18:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Quick comments
Note a: "This is a cover of the 1998 Cher of the same name." Pretty sure "song" needs to be added after the name here.
- fixed
Note h: "A week later, second EP" needs "a" before "second".
- fixed
This isn't a full source review, but I noticed that a bunch of references are missing publishers. I'd suggest added those before a source reviewer takes an interest in this page, to save time later.Giants2008 (Talk) 21:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Giants2008 in the past when I've tried to get GAs and FLs, publishers have been removed from websites and newspapers. If this is what is needed though, I've gone ahead and added in. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 13:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
List of accolades received by Despicable Me 2
- Nominator(s): Chompy Ace 11:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Despicable Me 2 is one of the best films of 2013 that received the most accolades that any Despicable Me film did. Here's a list of its accolades, as always I am open to constructive criticism on how to improve it. Chompy Ace 11:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I couldn't find anything. great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by RunningTiger123
- The infobox doesn't seem to match the table. The infobox lists 11 wins/54 noms but the total says 8 wins/51 noms, and the table itself includes 8 wins/52 noms.
who
is used three times in two sentences in the lead – suggest rewriting to remove at least one occurrenceIt garnered
– the film or the soundtrack?- Move note 1 to the recipients column
— RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:54, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- RunningTiger123 Done except for the fourth point: Notes are distinct from References. Chompy Ace 05:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123 last amend made. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 07:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- RunningTiger123 Done except for the fourth point: Notes are distinct from References. Chompy Ace 05:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Z1720
- No concerns with the lede
- Lots of wikilinks in the chart which are not needed. While not necessary for a support, consider MOS:REPEATLINK and if every instance of "Despicable Me" should be wikilinked.
- Image check - pass
- Source check: Version reviewed
- Ref 11: Suggest archiving
- No other concerns with formatting or quality of sources.
Support: no major concerns, everything listed above is optional for my support but I hope will be considered. Z1720 (talk) 17:30, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
52nd Academy Awards
- Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk 09:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating the 1980 Oscars for featured list because we believe it has great potential to become a Featured List. I followed how the 1929, 1979, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021 ceremonies were written. Birdienest81talk 09:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I got nothing at all. Great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by RunningTiger123
- "23 categories" – I count 22? (Unless the Special Achievement Award counts, I can't remember)
- Duration in infobox needs better source if possible (source 25 is okay but not great)
- Any reason ratings are omitted from infobox when other years include them?
- "posthumous nomination" – citation needed
- "E=MC2 mon amour" should be written as "E=mc² mon amour", based on this French Wikipedia article and other sources
- "Its So Nice..." → "It's So Nice..."
- I think the ceremony was nominated for some Emmys per this, but I'll search for more sources to confirm.
- Update: This Hollywood Reporter article confirms it, I can add the information later. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
— RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123: - Done: I have read your comments and have responded to them by making the proper adjustments based on them. Thank you.
- --Birdienest81talk 09:18, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Z1720
No prose concerns
- Source review
- Version reviewed
- Ref 29: If this is a single page, it should be "p", not "pp"
- Image review
- No licencing concerns
- No caption concerns
- No formatting concerns
Please ping when the source review comment is addressed. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 01:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Done: Fixed the page number by change the field from plural to singular.
- --Birdienest81talk 09:42, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Cowlibob
- Would it be possible to mention who won the Big Five in the lead as that is what most people looking at this article will look for
- Also a summary of the critical reception that the ceremony received would be useful in the lead and the ratings/viewership compared to the previous year.
- The Johnny Carson pic alttext probably needs more description like "A black and white photograph of Johnny Carson in 1970" Cowlibob (talk) 12:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Cowlibob: Done -- Thanks for the comments.
- --Birdienest81talk 10:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
List of Music Bank Chart winners (2015)
- Nominator(s): EN-Jungwon (talk) and Jal11497 (talk) 14:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
After taking the 2020 list to FL status and nominating the 2021 list (which will hopefully be closed soon), here is the 2015 list. This is the third Music bank related list that I am nominating for FL status. Looking forward to your comment. -- EN-Jungwon 14:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- "actor and singer Park Bo-gum and Red Velvet member Irene became the host of the show" - host should be hosts (plural)
- "The single, along with "Lion Heart" by Girls' Generation ranked" - need a comma after Generation to close off the clause
- "The year began with "December, 2014 (The Winter's Tale)" by Exo" - doesn't read brilliantly, suggest "The first winner of the year was "December, 2014 (The Winter's Tale)" by Exo"
- "Super Junior's sub-unit Super Junior-D&E consisting of members Donghae and Eunhyuk won their first ever music show trophy" - source?
- "Girl group Red Velvet achieved their first music show win" - source?
- That's what I got on a quick first pass -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:10, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ChrisTheDude, all done. Thank you for the review. -- EN-Jungwon 18:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
List of FIA World Endurance champions
- Nominator(s): EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
This list is about all the drivers who have won a title in the FIA World Endurance Championship, an endurance auto racing championship that has been run since 2012. I have recently expanded and redone the list and I believe it meets the necessary requirements to become an FLC. EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments from ChrisTheDude
- Which version of English is this article in? I can see both "co-organised" (British) and "center" (American)
- In the World Endurance Drivers' Championship table (and subsequent tables), what does the "margin" column mean?
- Using the grey background in the World Endurance GT Drivers' Championship to indicate something contravenes MOS:COLOR. You also need to use a symbol.
- If the grey background relates to the season as a whole, how come in 2014 and 2016 there is one person with it and one without?
- In fact, how come some rows in that table have multiple people listed generally?
- Similar comments to the above on the World GT Manufacturers' Championship table
- "The championship is open to all manufacturers participating in the LMGTE categories, although only entered manufacturers are eligible for points" - what is an "entered manufacturer"?
- "The Trophy for LMP2 Pro/Am Drivers was introduced in the 2021 season for LMP2 driver crews featuring at least one bronze-rated driver" - what's a "bronze-rated driver"?
- Notes a and b are not complete sentences so don't need full stops
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ChrisTheDude: Changes have been made based on the above points EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 10:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:52, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by RunningTiger123
6 LMP1 Private Drivers' Trophy winners
→six LMP1 Private Drivers' Trophy winners
(MOS:NUMERAL)in either of the Pro and Am categories
→in either the Pro and Am categories
A grey background...
– this is a complete sentence and should have a period in both locations it occurs.- Alexandre Imperatori sorts incorrectly
Signatech Alpine earned their second LMP2 teams trophy in the 2018–19 season,
– wrong punctuation at end?
Overall, this seems like a really solid list. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123: Have made changes based on the above points EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 19:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:21, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
List of World Heritage Sites in Cambodia
- Nominator(s): Tone 06:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
I know I still have to work on some lists of WHS in Europe, but I'll take a detour to Southeast Asia now. Cambodia has 3 WHS and 8 sites on the tentative list. Most of the sites are ancient cities and temples. The style is standard for WHS lists. The list for Italy, which is currently nominated, is seeing some support already (I know that list is massive, so this one is on the shorter side). Tone 06:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- "The site was immediately placed to the" => "The site was immediately placed on the"
- "was the site of the capitals of the Khmer Empire" - is capitals (plural) correct?
- "along a 800 m (2,600 ft) axis" => "along an 800 m (2,600 ft) axis"
- "Koh Ker was the capital of Khmer Empire" => "Koh Ker was the capital of the Khmer Empire"
- "king Jayavarman II declared the independence" => "king Jayavarman II declared independence"
- "and then often took to the nearby execution site of Choeung Ek" => "and then often taken to the nearby execution site of Choeung Ek"
- "The temple is decorated with Buddhist motives" => "The temple is decorated with Buddhist motifs"
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:12, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Done, thanks! Yes, capitals, plural. I added the word "different" to make it clearer. Tone 09:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Concerns by Z1720
Thanks for nominating this FLC. I want to raise my concern that the only publication used in this article is UNESCO. Since this list is selected by UNESCO, I think they would be considered a primary source and thus some secondary sources would be necessary to help verify the information. Furthermore, the description section has lots of information that can be verified in other sources that would be of a higher quality than UNESCO such as academic sources. I am not saying that the UNESCO references should be removed, but that secondary sources need to be added to this article. I am not posting this as an "oppose" because I want to give the nominator and others a chance to respond or make changes to the article. Please ping me if there are any questions or responses. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I am aware of the issue, it has been raised in some previous WHS nominations. There seems to be a rough consensus that the UNESCO is the reliable source that is sufficient here. Of course, most information could be sourced to other sources but the key thing is why some site is on the list (or tentative list), and this is always according to the UNESCO justification of outstanding universal value. I sometimes add third-party sources when the UNESCO one is lacking information, though. Tone 08:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- I am reading through the descriptions more closely, and the text is doing a great job describing the site, but it doesn't explicitly mention why it was picked to be a WHS. I suggest adding secondary sources for the descriptors and a brief, one sentence explanation that says something like "UNESCO chose to recognise this site because..."
- I also think that most, if not all, of the statements currently in the description section should be cited to higher-quality, academic sources. Statements like, "The Angkor area, one of the largest archaeological areas in the world," can probably be verified to a better source. It makes sense for the UNESCO data column to be cited to UNESCO, but I find it harder to support the descriptions using only one source. Z1720 (talk) 13:44, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- Citing each detail to academic sources is probably an overkill. The UNESCO sources are considered reliable and everything is there, so this should be sufficient. The justification is in the descriptions, if you look at the sources, this is under criteria i-x, when writing, I am always paying attention to that part and try to summarize it in the description. The description ideally always states what the site is and why it is important, so we don't need specifically state that "UNESCO chose to recognise this site because...". In the 20 or so previous nominations, the sources were always fine, so I think we can keep it as it is. Tone 14:03, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Fernando Alonso
- Nominator(s): Radioactive39 (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because it seems like a very informative list about arguably both one of the best and most popular Formula One drivers of this sport. In my opinion, this list also gives a detailed overview about the driver's statistics and achievements (in this case: Grand Prix wins) throughout the driver's career. This could attract the attention of the readers, mainly because he is a popular Formula One driver, as I said before in my brief text. Radioactive39 (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC) |
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*"currently competing for Alpine, who won 32 Formula One Grands Prix and two world championships." - is it Alsonso or Alpine that won this?
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Further comments
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC) |
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*Piquet Jr image caption - ref should be after punctuation, not before
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- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
List of accolades received by Dil To Pagal Hai
- Nominator(s): —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it is comprehensive enough. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. You have these, but: if the cell spans multiple rows, then use
!scope=rowgroup
instead of!scope=row
. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 19:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Done. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 08:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- My only comment is that the various Chopras all sort randomly if you resort the "recipient(s)" column. When I just sorted it, all the Chopras were together but in the order Yash > Aditya > Yash > Pamela > Aditya > Yash > Aditya. The best way to resolve this is to use the sortname template rather than sort. So, instead of having {{sort|Chopra|[[Yash Chopra]]}} have {{sortname|Yash|Chopra}}. Same with the two Singhs -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Done. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 04:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:19, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
List of roles and awards of Oscar Isaac
- Nominator(s): FrB.TG (talk) and Chompy Ace (talk) 10:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
After recently taking Oscar Isaac's biography to FA, here's his work and awards list in collaboration with Chompy Ace, who created the list and sourced the table. Have at it. FrB.TG (talk) 10:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Pseud 14
- Titles starting with The should sort based on the next word of the title
- Roles should sort under last name (e.g. Abel Morales under M)
- Abbreviation should be consistent Ref(s) = Reference(s)
- I would put the "legend/key" box after table of contents.
- Isaac won his first major role in the biblical drama -- tweak to avoid confusion, since this is his first major role, and he did not actually win (an award/recognition) for the film.
- Beginning the 2010s -- In 2010 would be simple and direct, since he only did one film.
- Isaac followed by playing -- Isaac followed this by playing
- That's all for me. --Pseud 14 (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you have time and interest FrB.TG, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my current BLP peer review.
Comments
- "Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse Miguel O'Hara / Spider-Man 2099 Cameo; voice role; character credited as "Interesting Person #1"" - so which is it? We've got a specific role named in the second column but then a different credit in the third.......?
- That's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments from TRM
- "parts in Joseph Adler's 2000 productions" it's not 100% obvious that these are stage performances.
- "the biblical drama " also then no way of knowing this is a film.
- "next few years" doesn't feel very encylopedic.
- Second para uses Isaac a lot when the subject is unambiguous, could use "he" every so often.
- "to play Hamlet in a major" our article on the character is at Prince Hamlet.
- "included playing roles" no need for "playing".
- Where is, for example, his role as "executive producer" of Lightningface? Producer in Operation Finale? Etc.
- You mean in the lead? It already mentions his role as a producer in OF. I've also added his role as an exec. producer in Moon Knight now.
- Title says this includes his "awards" but it also includes all his nominations. Is it the right title?
- Note d, seems odd, he was nominated alongside them, he didn't share the nomination did he i.e. if one of them won, all three of them wouldn't have won together, right?
That's all I have for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, The Rambling Man, for your comments. These are the changes I made in regard to them. FrB.TG (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: do you think you could finish your review one of these days? Thanks. FrB.TG (talk) 09:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: do you think you could finish your review one of these days? Thanks. FrB.TG (talk) 09:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 13:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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List of Hyouka episodes
- Nominator(s): Takipoint123 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because I think it is a comprehensive list that meets the FLC criteria, and I think it looks similar to other anime-related FLCs. Thanks! Takipoint123 (talk) 13:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Pamzeis
Hope I won't screw this up
- "is a 22 episode" → is a 22-episode
- Optional but I think "animated television series" would flow better than "television animation series"
- "novel of the same name, Hyouka" → novel of the same name (naming the novel is unneeded as the reader already knows it has the same name)
- Does "series composition" mean writing? The way it's worded... I thought the job was like a producer or something
- "around the events Houtarou Oreki" — I had to read this a few times before I understood... because I thought the character was an event... maybe that's just an issue for me...
- "released on August and" → released in August and
- "North America on July and" → North America in July and
- Link Crunchyroll at its first mention
- Is the theme music relevant enough for the lead? It seems like mere trivia and fancruft to me
- Make sure all citations conform with MOS:CITEPUNCT
- The theme music singers need a source
- "Two volumes of Hyouka's drama CDs were released." — kinda awkward and clunky
- Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, titles of works like Hyouka need to be italicised in citations
Hope this helps :) Pamzeis (talk) 15:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: Thanks for you comments! I think I got everything that you pointed out... but as for the music I think it should be fine to keep it there as it seems other anime FL articles seems to point it out like List of Puella Magi Madoka Magica episodes and List of Yuri on Ice episodes. Thanks! Takipoint123 (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: Sorry, I just realized I had to italicize the citations! I've italicized them. Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks :) Takipoint123 (talk) 04:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments from ChrisTheDude
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:05, 2 July 2022 (UTC) |
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*"series composition by Shoji Gatoh" - what's "series composition"?
More comments from ChrisTheDude
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- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:05, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments from Tintor2
Nice article. I hope it becomes FL so I'll just mention the few issues:
- Give an alt to the image.
- Done
- Add trans-title to the Japanese references.
- Done
- There is no obligatory rule but dates format in references should be consistent.
- Done
- Wikilink anime in the first sentence.
- Done
- Who published the DVDs in Japan?
- Added BD BOX citation that shows that it was released by Kadokawa Shoten, if that is sufficient(?)
- Also added the label for the Drama CDs
- The second paragraph is kinda big. I would suggest splitting the Japanese content from the English ones.
- Done
- Is it necessary to add eyecathes? Might come across as trivia or fancruft based on MOS
- Removed
- Are macrons used by the publishers? Cos it's kinda inconsistent.
- I've changed them all to Hyouka unless they were the titles of the article in citations.
- Is it possible to have a brief premise about the the drama cd narrative? See this FL as example.
- Unfortunately I don't think I have any reliable sources nor access to the actual Drama CDs, so I'm not too sure if I can add a premise.
Remember to ping me once you fix it.Tintor2 (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Tintor2: Thanks for the suggestions, and I've made corrections made above--Takipoint123 (talk) 01:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Giving my support.Tintor2 (talk) 14:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 13:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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List of The Book of Boba Fett characters
I am nominating this for featured list because for the last review I got a pass from the article reviewer and a pass from the source reviewer, but the article only got two votes, therefore not having enough to pass. I am sure this meets the criteria per the last review and am renominating the article in hopes of getting more votes. See last review here ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 23:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments from TRM
- Lead is a little brief for such a long article, per MOS:LEAD.
- "amount" -> "number"
- "that appear in the series are " include, rather than "are"? And why cherry pick these ones?
- If I do not cherry pick wont the list of name become quite lenghty
- "before in The Mandalorian and has also" overlinked.
- "back to life.[21][11] Rich " ref order.
- " ship Slave I back and" overlinked.
- "Ming-Na Wen portrays" ditto.
- Another editor and I in the last review agreed that it is ok to keep this link here in case someone reads just that section
- TV Insider's -> TV Insider's (check the markup here if it's confusing.
- "protagonist in the series The Mandalorian.[39] In" overlinked.
- "and Salvador Larocca for Marvel Comics" overlinked.
- "Comic Book Resources' Brenton Stewart" overlinked, and see formatting with the {{'s}} template here and elsewhere.
- "Lucas' film American Graffiti.[128][129][19]" ref order and "Lucas's".
- "two or less episodes in The Book of Boba Fett and are considered to play a significant part" fewer, not less, and considered by whom?
- "of ComicBook.com described" italics or not? Be consistent. And don't overlink.
- "comedian Amy Sedaris performs" overlinked.
- "Britt of Inverse said that " ditto.
- "the Star Wars: The Bad Batch series" ditto.
- "considered to be minor characters or make a significant cameo" considered by whom?
- "conversation with ComicBook.com, Rodriquez" unlink this dab.
- Plenty of spaced hyphens in the references, should be spaced en-dashes.
That's it for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Everything has been fixed except for ones I put responses under and I'll get to the last one later. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 00:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Question where is the guideline that says I should change the hyphens to dashes in citations. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 11:39, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- MOS:DASH. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:36, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Question where is the guideline that says I should change the hyphens to dashes in citations. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 11:39, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Kaleeb18: - are you able to resolve the issues across this article and List of The Mandalorian characters? Another editor is attempting to (badly) merge all the content from this article into the other one and this one isn't likely to get promoted to FL if all of its content has been merged elsewhere...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:58, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- ChrisTheDude Do you think the best way about this would be to remove the content from over there because it is not the list of The Book of Boba Fett characters, but it is the list of The Mandalorian characters. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 11:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- That would be my preference. I tried to sort out the other article earlier, but I didn't realise quite how much of a mess it was and I ran out of time before I had to go out..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- ChrisTheDude Do you think the best way about this would be to remove the content from over there because it is not the list of The Book of Boba Fett characters, but it is the list of The Mandalorian characters. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 11:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: I have finished all you have said except for the ones I had questions for. Also @ChrisTheDude: I have fixed the issue at the List of The Mandalorian characters. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 17:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:24, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
List of United States Military Academy First Captains
This is being nominated as featured list because it includes significant American military figures, as well as others who went on to successful civilian careers. Instituted in 1872, First Captain is a leadership position, the senior ranking member of the 4,400 Corps of Cadets at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. (Not to be confused with the salaried Army enlisted rank of Captain (United States O-3).) Note that the PDF United States Military Academy sourcing for the list of names is only a chronological list of all who have held the position . — Maile (talk) 16:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Oppose
- After reading this list, I still have no idea what the first captain is. How are they selected and why? What is "overall performance" of the Corps – academic performance, military preparedness, general campus concerns? What is the "class agenda"? Is this basically a student body president? At most universities the students elect a leader of the student government who runs on a platform and works with the administration to ensure student-focused programs are funded, expanded, inclusive, and transparent. Does West Point have such a representative student government or how does this compare? You describe the brigade that the first captain leads as being divided into battallion and companies but don't answer the so-what: do each of them have a leader that the first captain herself directs or what?
- @Reywas92: @Hawkeye7: can answer this better than I can, but comparison to a student body president is not adequate. This is war college, and the First Captain is the Brigade Commander, with graduates often going directly into combat zones. In short, please see United States Military Academy#Rank and organization. War is their business, so any comparison to student body president at some civilian school, is not workable. All that academic stuff aside, the First Captain is charged with making sure they are prepared for war. But, as I said, Hawkeye7 can probably explain better. — Maile (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Reywas92: @Hawkeye7: I found an answer, and a press release, and have posted the info in the first paragraph of Selection and Organization of the Cadet Corps The Academy selects the First Captain, as well as its other leadership positions. It doesn't give the details, but it most certainly was via an established criteria set by the Academy itself. Hope this helps explain somewhat. — Maile (talk) 21:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Reywas92: @Hawkeye7: can answer this better than I can, but comparison to a student body president is not adequate. This is war college, and the First Captain is the Brigade Commander, with graduates often going directly into combat zones. In short, please see United States Military Academy#Rank and organization. War is their business, so any comparison to student body president at some civilian school, is not workable. All that academic stuff aside, the First Captain is charged with making sure they are prepared for war. But, as I said, Hawkeye7 can probably explain better. — Maile (talk) 14:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pratt should be recognized in the lead as the incumbent but her post-graduate majors are irrelevant here
- "Establishment of the university" section doesn't seem relevant, please tie in better to the article's subject or remove.
- I think it provides background. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- I completely agree on the background info, which is why I put it here. Without that section, non-Americans are not likely to know the why and how of the institution's establishment. And I think it's really important to note when the first women were allowed into the academy. That was a really big deal in American history. It also provides the background as to why no women were named First Captain until 1990. — Maile (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you're not using US-style MDY dates, a comma doesn't ever belong between a month a year.
- "Global influence" is a pretty vague header. Of course top military brass have a global influence, but how does that mean this position has global influence? It's great to note that high achievers at the military academies are often high achievers in the military and that many former officeholders later become generals, but there should be a bit more tying of them together than details like what Pershing did.
- Headings are normally vague. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Removal of "global" still ignores the rest of the comment. This shows that a number of have had significant roles decades after being FC, but not the "influence" of the position itself. Reywas92Talk 18:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- The position itself has little influence per se outside the Corps of Cadet, where it is a highly-sought after honour among highly competitive people. (This is particularly notable nowadays as the corps is very large, so they tend to be over-achievers). However: the appointment marks the cadet as a likely candidate for future greatness, and this is seen by the high proportion who achieve general officer rank. I created the list because it kept cropping up in biographies. It is also not unknown for First Captains to become patrons of other First Captains, which is important because the US Army runs on a system of patronage. In particular, Pershing took an interest in the careers of other First Captains, hence the run of them as his successors. Graduates are normally ranked on graduation, but this refers to academics, whereas the position of First Captain is based on scholarship, sportsmanship and leadership. As the quote in the article indicates, by first year the cadets have been assessed for a long time. It is not unusual though for them to also rank high in the class, often first like MacArthur. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Pershing, MacArthur, Malin Craig and William Westmoreland all served as Chief of Staff of the United States Army" helps with that, but it's missing Summerall, Clark, and Rogers as listing in the table.
- Are there any other notes about the first captains' actual service beyond the examples in "Interrupted terms"?
- "All Ameican" typo
- "WW I, WW II" isn't spaced
- Salzman is the only "Brigadier-General" with a hyphen, please check for consistency in the formatting of these comments in general.
- Lots of inconsistency of U.S. vs. US
- Inconsisency like a simple "Rhodes scholar" for Morales and a wordier "Recipient of a post-graduate Marshall Scholarship" and then "Rhodes scholar scheduled to attend the University of Oxford" that's redundant since Rhodes scholars by definition attend Oxford.
- With the comments column, there is value in recognizing their later achievements and major positions, but there shouldn't be comments merely for the sake of being comments for each one. Lots of people get an "MBA from Harvard Business School" or "MBA degree from Stanford Graduate School of Business" (another inconsistency with "degree"!) and that's just not as relevant here.
- Why is "who retired three times" meaningful? Retired from what?
- I'm really confused why the comment for Robert S. Brown is "AKA Capt. Robert (“Todd”) Sloan Brown", what does this add to spell out his middle name?
- West Point tends to have similarly-named relatives also attending the academy, especially in the cases of fathers and sons. This one has name variations from source to source. I wanted the reader to understand that this is the same individual who, for reasons unknown, used alternate variations of his name in different time periods. As a cadet, he was listed as Robert S. Brown. But he wrote a journal for West Point under the name Todd S. Brown. And depending upon the published editon of that journal, his name is listed both ways. Sometimes as Robert (“Todd”) Sloan Brown. No explanation of why. It's confusing, but the only way I could indicate they are one and the same person. — Maile (talk) 22:19, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why is The class the stars fell on a relevant see also?
There's potential here but there's a way to go, namely that it needs more than "these people who did things after attending USMA held a leadership position at USMA". Back to the student body president question – student body president is *not* a Wikipedia notable position! This being a service academy and the success of many alumni can justify this article, but it doesn't really show it. Reywas92Talk 21:23, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- We'll keep working at it. It would be WP:OR to find their student records while at the academy. Which the academy would not give us access to, even if Wikipedia had no dictate against that. We can only go by existing public information. What makes them notable, is what they achieved after the academy. The whole point here is that a leadership at the academy gave them the skills to achieve notability otherwise.
- @Hawkeye7: Do you have time to eyeball the Comments column, and help add pertinent info beginning around 1900-15, if lacking? I've started to add brief blurbs about their military careers. Once we get into the 21st century, cadets serve out their required post-cadet military service, and then go into financially successful careers in the private sector. I think it's important to note that. — Maile (talk) 16:08, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
✓@Hawkeye7: The ball is in your court now. I've given this all I can find, and I think the format and general information is what it ought to be. If you think you can improve on it, then full steam ahead. My intent with the notes column, has been to give a little blurb about the post-West Point path the First Captains took. Overall, that column tells an incredible story of the calibre of people West Point chose for that resposibiliy. @Reywas92: if this works for you, fine. If it doesn't, ah well, you hit the boards running with an Oppose - but overall, you raised some really valid points that led to much improvement and clarity therein. — Maile (talk) 20:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7 and Reywas92: FYI - I stepped back from this a couple of days and then read it cold. Coming back to it, I do believe anyone who never before heard of West Point, needed a little more information as to why this is such a big deal. Especially if this is being read by non-Americans. I added a little paragraph at the top of the "Background" to explain its attachment to the US Department of Defense, and how requests for enrollment are handled. I think the application process alone might make the Army, Navy and Air Force academies a little unique. I also expanded the lead section. — Maile (talk) 00:52, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Drive-by comment
- "Holland is one of only seven women cadets...." - per MOS:SURNAME, individuals should not be referred to by their forename in this way -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:18, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed - Nice catch there. — Maile (talk) 11:18, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hasn't been changed as far as I can see...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:46, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed - Nice catch there. — Maile (talk) 11:18, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres<sp an style="color:blue">N 19:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Done*@PresN: If I understand, you are simply talking about the one line right below |class=. If that's what you meant, thanks for reminding me - taken care of. If you meant something else, please let me know. — Maile (talk) 21:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Sourcing
FYI for @Hawkeye7: and also whoever does the sourcing review. YouTube is not necessarily a reliable source. But per WP:RSE regarding that matter, "official channels of notable organizations, such as Monty Python's channel, may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed". First captain Austin C. Welch - I just linked him to a YouTube interview video from WCIU-TV in Chicago. The interview was conducted in Dec 2014, the first half of the 2014-2015 academic year. Wikipedia's YouTube guidelines might be a little out of date, inasmuch TV stations and other legitimate entities use YouTube as an outlet. — Maile (talk) 14:00, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments from Kavyansh
- "The First Captain is responsible for the overall performance of the 4,400-strong Corps of Cadets" — Exactly 4400, or approximately?
- "or to the President or Vice President of the United States" — Review MOS:JOBTITLE
- "were John J. Pershing, Douglas MacArthur and William Westmoreland." — We'd have an Oxford comma in the general American English usage
- Why is first women started from a new para?
- Open to suggestions on this, as it was part of an expansion of the lead. Do you think it should be combined with the paragraph above it? If so, that's fine with me. Originally, Hawkeye7 had a paragraph about the latest woman First Captain Holland Pratt. While expanding the lead in general, I just included the other women, as Pratt is the latest, but not necessarily the most significant of women First Captains. I do believe that inclusion of women in the position have been so new - and so few - that they should be mentioned in the lead.— Maile (talk) 12:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, continuing it in the previous para would be better, in my opinion. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed — Maile (talk) 11:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- "The USMA is" — define the the prose the full form of USMA
- "to US congressional representatives and senators, as well as to the US President and Vice President" — Review MOS:JOBTITLE, and do we have to repeat US that many times?
- "USMA was founded in 1802, through the Military Peace Establishment Act signed into law by President Thomas Jefferson." — This should have been told before describing what USMA does.
- "on 7 October 1975" — Do we have to be this precise. Will it matter to the reader if we just say 1975?
- Yes, it follows from our prime objective, which is to gather knowledge. Also, it someone trying to paraphrase the Wikipedia. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Not big deal for me. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- "the current Commandant of cadets" — our article capitalizes 'C' in 'cadets'
- " John J. Pershing, was 1886 First Captain" — Why comma?
- "In 1916, he led 10,000 men" — I may be nitpicky, but exactly 10,000 or, most probably, approximately?
- With such figures, it is always understood that rounding occurs. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- But it is always better to specify. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Do we need that background info about Pershing?
- The point is the importance of the officer and future career. First Captain can be seen as a prophecy of future significance, but it has often been a self-fulfilling prophecy.Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- But why is it important to the reader that he taught in a school in Missouri? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
More to come. The article might benefit from a copy-editing. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- "Pershing, MacArthur, Malin Craig, William Westmoreland and Bernard W. Rogers" — Oxford comma?
- "as Chief of Staff of the United States Army" — add the definite article, and lowercase 'c'
- "the Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force" — lowercase 'c'
- "He was court martialed" — our article hyphenates, it. I'm not sure which one is correct, though.
- "There were some unusual cases" — we can start without specifying thin, in Wikipedia's voice.
- "First captains 1872–present" — Add "1872–present" inside parenthesis.
- "List of United States Military Academy first captains of the cadets" — The table caption is repeating the nearby heading. Shift it inside {{Sronly}}
- "Comments/post-cadet careers" could be "Notes"
- Okay, firstly, 'Consistency is the key'. Now, how are we naming the first captains? There is a conflict here. We have "Amos A. Jordon Jr.", but "Carl Columbus Hinkle Jr" (without dot) v. "Ralph P. Swofford Jr.". We have our article calling him "Pete Dawkins", but we have "Peter M. Dawkins" (with middle name). Then why not same for Westmoreland?
- Per WP:COMMONNAME. Names are as they appear on the roll. The MOS rejects the concept of consistency. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- If Ref#3 is repeated in almost all the reference cells, why not just put it in the head of the "Sources" column and not repeat it multiple times?
- The references need to be consistently formatted. We have no retrieval dated for many web sources. What makes https://generals.dk/ a WP:RS? "Washington Post" should be "The Washington Post". Why is https://valor.militarytimes.com/ a RS? "Second page can be viewed at Newspapers.com/clip/105068924/horowitz/" — should be a link than bare url. Ref#92 needs a retrieval date. Ref#132 has a page number, why do we not have it for Ref#136 and many others? Many source titles, which are in ALL CAPS, needs to be in title case. All these sourcing issues are really just over a quick read.
That is it on a quick read. I am not convinced by the sourcing (formatting, and reliability for few as well). Thus I would not support until a source review has been passed. Currently, I'm leaning oppose. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:37, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: I'm going to kick this sourcing issue over to you. With the exception of the original PDF source you used to create the list, I think I did most of the sourcing, so it takes a second pair of eyes address the above-mentioned issue. Can you follow through on this item, please? — Maile (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
List of Billboard Tropical Airplay number ones of 1997
With the Latin pop #1's of 1997 done, here is the tropical #1's of the same year. This year was really good for tropical music, with this list having some of my favorite tunes! Erick (talk) 01:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments from ChrisTheDude
- "It was succeed by Grupo Manía's song "Linda Eh" where it remained on top of the charts for four weeks" => "It was succeeded by Grupo Manía's song "Linda Eh", which remained on top of the chart for four weeks"
- "Starr had previously established herself freestyle artist" => "Starr had previously established herself as a freestyle artist"
- "returned to music scene" => "returned to the music scene"
- "She is the only female artist to have a number one on the Tropical Airplay chart in 1997" => "She was the only female artist to have a number one on the Tropical Airplay chart in 1997"
- Grupo Mania photo caption seems to have too many quote marks after the song title
- That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
Minor: when using rowscopes (scope=row), if the cell spans multiple rows, then use !scope=rowgroup
instead. --PresN 19:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Z1720
- Lede
- "Negrón spent a total of 12 weeks at number one" -> "Negrón spent 12 weeks at number one" I think this will tighten up the language.
- ""Inolvidable" was named the best-performing track of the year" Who named it this?
- Image check
- "File:FrankieNegronAirgo.jpg" The source of the image is not linked. The banner to this image asks to check with the source to verify this, but I am unable to do so. I suggest swapping this image or removing it.
- Source check
- Ref 1: Billboard should be wikilinked
Those are my thoughts. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 19:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720 Done and done. Fun fact: That image I replaced Negrón is the one I personally took way back in 2011. Erick (talk) 19:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Magiciandude: I'm getting a red link on the Negron image. Was the correct file name used? Z1720 (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720 Works fine on my end. Perhaps it needed to cache for the day since I cropped the image yesterday? Erick (talk) 14:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Magiciandude: I'm getting a red link on the Negron image. Was the correct file name used? Z1720 (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Coldplay videography
- Nominator(s): GustavoCza (talk) 18:53, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Good afternoon, this is my first FL nomination since the List of awards and nominations received by Coldplay. It's the listings of the band's visual work, as their music videos section on Coldplay discography was getting way too big. All old sources were checked, corrected and replaced. Please feel free to note any detail I might have forgotten.
Comments from ChrisTheDude
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC) |
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*"appearing on many television shows throughout their career as well" - this should probably be "as well as appearing on many television shows throughout their career". However, the Television section further only down only lists four appearances. Four is not "many"
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Further comments from ChrisTheDude
- I found it very hard to believe that Coldplay have only appeared on TV seven times in a career spanning more than 20 years, and needless to say they haven't. Here for example is them appearing on The Graham Norton Show in 2021, here is them appearing on the same show in 2016, here they are on it yet again (unsure of year), here they are on The Voice in 2021, here they are on The Tonight Show in 2021. I bet there are dozens more. Were you intending this section to only include occasions when they did more than just perform one song? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes! I want to make a List of Live Performances page in the future, but that is going to take A LOT of work. Coldplay has performed live an insane amount of times, Everyday Life was their least promoted era and you can still find a lot of stuff, including the broadcast in Jordan (that one was included in Videography due to being a film, and their films are easier to track). GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 12:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case maybe change the section header to something like "Major television appearances" or "notable television appearances" or something like that, as currently it does kinda imply that these are literally the only times Coldplay have appeared on TV...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:07, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I changed it to "Television appearances", in contrast with "Television performances". Anything else? GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 11:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- In that case maybe change the section header to something like "Major television appearances" or "notable television appearances" or something like that, as currently it does kinda imply that these are literally the only times Coldplay have appeared on TV...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:07, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Pamzeis
Hopefully, I will not screw this up
- "released 64 music videos, four video albums and four films," — consistency is needed per MOS:NUM
- "Integers greater than nine expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words". The guidelines don't prohibit me from writing like I did. In fact, it's the most used way I have seen around discography and award pages.
- "appearing on multiple television shows throughout their career as well" — while I understand what this bit is trying to say, it feels quite awkward to me. Can it be reworded?
- I've tried before, nothing good so far.
- ""In My Place" and "The Scientist", which was nominated" — which one was nominated?
- Solved. It's "The Scientist".
- "campaign was then completed" — removed then as redundant
- Solved.
- "anticipation for their fourth album Viva la Vida" — comma after album
- Solved.
- "two versions of "Viva la Vida" available" — I think more context is needed for what "Viva La Vida" is, as I thought it was the album before clicking on the link
- Album titles are in italic and song titles are in quotes, I think that's very much clear already.
- "The record also spawned" — ...what is "the record" referring to?
- "The record" is always referring to the album last mentioned. The Mylo Xyloto record spawned "Princess of China" and "Hurts Like Heaven".
- "an interactive project" — can you clarify whether it's just the last one or all of them or something?
- Solved.
- "(1979) which had its final" — comma before which
- Solved.
- "following it with" — is "it" the song or the album?
- I wrote that thinking about the song, but it also applies to the AHFOD album since "Adventure of a Lifetime" is the only video released prior to 4 December 2015.
- "The record's marketing campaign" — what is "the record"?
- "The record" is always referring to the album last mentioned. The A Head Full of Dreams record had its campaign finished with "A Head Full of Dreams" and "Everglow".
- "Everyday Life (2019) had six music videos" — kinda awkward
- Solved.
- Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, titles of works (such as albums, films or television shows) should be italicised in citations
- I'm pretty sure all of them are in this list. --GustavoCza (talk) 18:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Hope this helps :) Pamzeis (talk) 04:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
List of commanders of the British 1st Armoured Division
- Nominator(s): EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
After a bit of a break, I am back with a new list (will work on the prior failed nom, due to my absence, at a later date and I apologize for not being able to action that more timely). This is the list of commanding officers for the British 1st Armoured Division, which was formed in 1937 and lasted until 1945. It was briefly revived between 1946 and 1947 (a 1st Armoured Division was formed in the 1970s and lasted until the 2000s, but as that was created by the renaming of the 1st Division, its commanding officers are included on a separate list dedicated to the 1st Division). This particular division fought in the Second World War, seeing action in France, North Africa, and Italy with two of its commanding officers becoming wounded in the line of duty. Look forward to all feedback.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 01:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- "who would receive orders" => "who receives orders" (as the sentence is talking generally about the concept of a GOC - alternatively change the whole thing to past tense but make it refer to this specific division i.e. "The division was commanded by a general officer commanding (GOC), who received orders"
- "and then use the forces" => "and then uses the forces" (or "used" if you follow the second suggestion above)
- I have opted for the latter choice, and have tried to reword accordingly for both these points.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- "It was during this period that it was temporarily renamed the 1st British Armoured Division2 - you haven't mentioned its (apparent) earlier renaming, so probably worth adding that in
- Added inEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- "ceased to be an operation formation" - should that say "operational".....?
- Yes, and correctedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- "During Evan's tenure" - apostrophe in wrong place
- Moved to where it should beEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- "the division mobilized" - UK subject so UK spelling should be used
- UpdatedEnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- " Lumsden was wounded in action on 19 July 1942" - complete sentence so needs a full stop. Same with the one on the line below
- Period added to this sentence, and also the one below (which I have just added some extra content to).EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- "On 5 April 1943, the division was redesignated as the 1st British Armoured Division" - needs a full stop
- Period added
- Is it really necessary to put "acting commander" in the notes column when you have "acting" in the first column?
- I was just thinking the same when I was relooking over the article, and now removed.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review and comments. I have attempted to action them all.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- Playfair et all (2004b) is not used and should be removed.
- Support
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review, comment, and support. I have removed the excess book.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. For some reason, for the "primary" cell of each column, you have an empty scope instead of a rowscope; e.g. !scope=align="center"
should be !scope=row align="center"
. --PresN 19:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I updated per the above, although it ignored the code to center the text. I entered a semi-colon between the two and that has factored in the center aligned text again. Not sure if that impacts the accessibility part. Are you able to take a look and establish if the change has worked?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 08:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Z1720
- No concerns about the lede.
- Image check: pass
- Source check: Version reviewed. One concern: Why does Ref 1 say "The Divisional System" instead of a page number?
Those are my comments. Please ping when the above is answered. Z1720 (talk) 17:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- @@Z1720: Thank you for the review and the above comments. This particular work I was unable to obtain a physical or e-copy so had to rely on Google Books and a version that did not include the page numbers. As a result, I was forced to cite the chapter instead.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 03:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Promoting. --PresN 13:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through.
Women's Professional Billiards Championship
- Nominator(s): BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because I think it has suitable coverage of the topic. I don't think you will find much else online about the Championship. I wasn't sure if I should attempt a featured list, or GA, nomination for the article but have plumped for FLC. As ever, I'm happy to provide relevant extracts from sources to reviewers. Thanks for all comments and feedback to help improve the article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- The lead seems very short at just four sentences, but maybe that's all there is to say?
- I'm not sure there is much else to include there, but always open to suggestions. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- "women players" reads really oddly to me, as "women" isn't an adjective. Would "female players" work better?
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- "their progress in the game has been held back by sexism" - should this be in the past tense? or are they still held back in this way?
- Given that the relevant sources cited are from 1987 and 1999, I'll see if I can find something more recent. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- "It was agreed with the Billiards Association and Control Council that the WBA would take over the running of the competition as a world championship, with the same trophy used in 1930, from 1932" - so who organised the 1931 tournament?
- Nicely spotted. I've amended the article and addded another source. For some reason the later books start with the 1931 tournament, so I think I just assumed that was when the WBA ran it from, without checking for consistency in the article. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Think that's all I've got....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks, ChrisTheDude. Let me know if there is anything else. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Lee Vilenski
I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.
- Lede
- Prose
- Additional comments
Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments from TRM
Fascinating read.
- Mild concern that this is more likely to be a GA than an FL. If we had more critical coverage of the tournaments and finals (and after all, this article is about the competition itself, not just the finals) then we could probably get double the prose here.
- There is very limited coverage of most of the finals. Some of them get a few paragraphs in The Billiard Player, others almost nothing. There's not much depth in newspapers either. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:19, 22 June 2022 (UTC) Oh, and same applies for the other matches. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've had a look at some of the reports, and a lot of the details are not suitable to be summarised in Wikipedia. Examples from The Times, 18 May 1938; "[Billiards] it may be, is one of the most difficult of all games for women to play. Careful thought and assiduous practice have to given to it ..."; that year, The Billiard Player contained only passing coverage. Gardner's letter to the editor querying this was published, with a response "we will ... publish all news according to its value". (The June issue, which could have included the women's championship, did have room for reports on the London Busmen's championship and about Horace Lindrum intending to take a holiday in Italy.) On balance, I think keeping the article as a list (perhaps with some refocusing?) might be better than converting it to more a prose-based article, but I'll take advice. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- In fact, it's almost like the notes should be part of the main prose, in an expanded "History" section, and the table at the end just summarises the year/finalists/result etc.
- Perhaps, but it might be hard to make engaging prose out of it. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Four-sentence lead is too brief for me by far.
- Not done, yet. See below. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Shouldn't " Burroughes and Watts" be in the infobox as well as organisers?
- Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- "1,000-960" en-dash. And was the aim to get to 1000 points? What were the winning criteria?
- Let me see if the sources cover the winning criteria, i.e. which years were first to a target and which were timed. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like there are sources on this for some years, but not for all. Shall I add a sentence along the lines "In some years the match winner was the first to reach a pre-determined points target, and in other years the winner was the player to score most points in a set playing time."? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- "John Roberts Jr" missing a full stop after Jr?
- Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- "company Burroughes and Watts organised" you linked this previously...
- De-linked. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Dislike the split in tables, maybe just footnote or have a row span for the different titles.
- Combined with row span, happy to amend again. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Carpenter averaged 11.92 " unexplained what this "average" means.
- Added, to the effect that it's "points per visit", with a cuegloss link to visit. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- "1,000-563" en-dash. There are several of these, check throughout.
- I think I amended them all now. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- "1,992–1,531, ,2162–1,795, " odd stuff here.
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
So I enjoyed it, but have some concerns... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Thank you. I look forward to your further advice following my responses; I'll expand the lead after hearing from you. (Scope of the lead might change depending on other changes to the article.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.| 1
in the second table becomes!scope=row | 1
. If the cell spans multiple rows, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead, e.g.|rowspan=2|British Women's Billiards Tournament
becomes!scope=rowgroup rowspan=2|British Women's Billiards Tournament
- Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 19:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, PresN. Please could you have a look to see if I have properly addressed this? Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk)
Comments from Z1720
- Since the article is for a tournament that ended in 1950, I am confused as to how events in 2018, 2019 and 2021 relate to this tournament. I think this information would be better placed in a general article about woman's cue sports, and not in this article
- this was my over-enthusiastic response to the review comment "should this be in the past tense? or are they still held back in this way?". I've relegated it to a footnote, but happy to remove it completely if that's better. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- "with the same trophy used from 1930, from 1932." I am very confused by this and I'm not sure what it's trying to tell me. I think the sentence needs to be rearranged
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I see that there was a 7 year gap from 1941-1947. Why is this not mentioned in the history section, and the reason why it did not run?
- Added this in, with some tweaks around it. I couldn't find anything in sources about why the tournament didn't happen in 1946 or 1947; in September 1946 it was announced that there were three entrants, and in April 1947 that a tournament would take place two weeks after the men's championship, but 1948 was the first post-war staging. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Image check: pass.
- The caption for the last image is missing a bracket.
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- File:Strebor v Collins at English billiards (1906).jpg (the first image) is missing alt text
- Added. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Source check: Version reviewed
- Ref 2: Suggest archiving the link.
- Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 4: Since this is an offline source, is there a page number?
- There wasn't in the database I used, but the article can be found online so I added the url. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 15 and 19: These appear to be the same refs. I suggest merging the citations.
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Those are my comments. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 02:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks for this, Z1720. Let me know if anything else is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
List of snooker Triple Crown finals
- Nominator(s): Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because this is a list of all of the Triple Crown (snooker) event finals. Recently created, would love to get it up to FL. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Lead seems incredibly short at just 1024KB (way too short for a DYK). Is there really no more to say?
- Hmm, I suppose the only things we could really add would be broadcasters and such, but that's more about the events than a list of winners. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why is the Season column formatted differently for the Masters than the other two?
- Fixed Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 2 does not support the claim that the WSC is considered part of the Triple Crown but only since 1969, in fact as far as I can see it doesn't support anything in that sentence
- I've reworded to only have the facts. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Winner and runner-up columns should sort on surname, not forename
- Done Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Date formatting in the refs is not consistent (also ref 1 has no dates at all)
- Done Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Think that's all I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Was there anything else ChrisTheDude. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:29, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comments from BennyOnTheLoose
- I'm not sure it's even covered in the main Triple Crown article, but I think there should be a mention that the idea of a snooker "triple crown" was applied retrosepctively. I have a feeling the phrase wasn't even mentioned in snooker until something like the late 1990s.
- I only found one suitable ref that kind of talks around it. Hopefully that's suitable. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing the support for this in The Guardian source. (Capitalise The, if retained). If it's not in sources then better to omit it here. I'll see if I can dig anything up, but I don't recall any sources on this TBH. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I haven't found anything earlier than the 1999 quote mentioned at Talk:Triple_Crown_(snooker)/GA1. Clive Everton used the term in an Independent article a few weeks later. In an Irish Independent article published on 5 May 2003, Phil Yates refers to "the game's unofficial triple crown". I think it really only became a thing when the Triple Crown Series icon came out in 2020, but it is a thing, so best to avoid the retro discussion (that I started; sorry!) in this list article. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Removed Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I haven't found anything earlier than the 1999 quote mentioned at Talk:Triple_Crown_(snooker)/GA1. Clive Everton used the term in an Independent article a few weeks later. In an Irish Independent article published on 5 May 2003, Phil Yates refers to "the game's unofficial triple crown". I think it really only became a thing when the Triple Crown Series icon came out in 2020, but it is a thing, so best to avoid the retro discussion (that I started; sorry!) in this list article. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing the support for this in The Guardian source. (Capitalise The, if retained). If it's not in sources then better to omit it here. I'll see if I can dig anything up, but I don't recall any sources on this TBH. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I only found one suitable ref that kind of talks around it. Hopefully that's suitable. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 1, 2 - as per ChrisTheDude's comments.
- I've done a reword Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 3 - CueSport book page 10 does not mention Masters being a triple crown event, and doesn't mention the UK Championship at all.
- Yeah, this now just says that they were founded in these years, not that the source states they are part of the triple crown, which is sourced elsewhere. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- "Ronnie O'Sullivan has contested a record 29 finals, winning 21." Isn't sourced. Are readers expected to count entries in the tables? (Presumably that's how "Players to appear in multiple finals" is derived, as that doesn't have any sources either.)
- That's a WP:COUNT things. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- WP:CALC? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- that's the one. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- WP:CALC? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's a WP:COUNT things. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Source 4, from 2013, says Robertson is the "eighth player" to win the triple crown, does not support "Eleven players have won each of the events at least once"
- There's a new source that specifically names them. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can't see how source 5 supports "Ray Reardon, who won the world championship on six occasions and the Masters once was unable to reach a UK Championship final.[5]"
- Removed Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Refs on the UK Championship finals table are untidy- some cited at header, others against years.
- Refs inconsistent between, e.g. World Snooker Tour, worldsnooker.com. World Snooker. (I think some will be published by WPBSA as they date back before WS/WST.)
- The refs at the end of "List of Masters finals[28]" aren't very helpful, just refer to other refs., and I don't think they are the right ones anyway. (e.g. the Turner link is to his World Championship page)
- That's a WP:BUNDLING thing. I've removed the stray Masters ref.Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- The examples in WP:BUNDLING show the sources when hovered over, not just other reference numbers. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have expanded these out, but I don't particularly think this looks better. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- The examples in WP:BUNDLING show the sources when hovered over, not just other reference numbers. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's a WP:BUNDLING thing. I've removed the stray Masters ref.Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- 1972 World Championship final score was probably 37–31 (see Talk:1972_World_Snooker_Championship)
- Oh yes, done. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- List of World Snooker Championship winners - most recent source was accessed in 2019, but the list goes up to 2022. Again, I don't think just pointing to other refs is very helpful here.
- Yeah, that's pretty normal, I can update the access-date on the snooker.org ref if you want. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think that woudl be better. "Archived from the original on 28 July 2019. Retrieved 24 February 2011." doesn't look right for something going up to 2022. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's pretty normal, I can update the access-date on the snooker.org ref if you want. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll have another look after your responses. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- "called the "modern era" of snooker" - needs a bit of rephrasing. The era is since 1969.
- Reworded Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- "non-ranking Masters" - as this is the only reference to "ranking" in the intro, either wikilink it or explain.
- Removed, not really relevant Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I made a couple of very minor amends. I'm satisfied that this article meets the featured list criteria. The into is short, but I believe it adequately meets criterion 2. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Removed, not really relevant Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments from SNUGGUMS
- With no evidence found to the contrary, I'll assume good faith that File:Ronnie O’Sullivan at Snooker German Masters (DerHexer) 2015-02-06 10.jpg is in fact the uploader's own work, so image review passes.
- You shouldn't use italics for BBC Sport, Eurosport, Eurosport UK, Sky Sports, Snooker.org, "cajt.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk", or "worldsnooker.com"
- But these aren't publishers, so they should be listed under |work on cite web, which is what I have. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- "snookerscene.co.uk" is redundant for the refs already naming Snooker Scene
- I've done some fixes. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Date formats should be consistent within references, which in this case should be DMY per MOS:DATE
- ,I've run a script for this Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- For the tables of winners, it looks like you tried to cite whole boxes with one general ref (or bundle) at the top, so is there a particular reason some individual listings have their own citations while others don't?
- I've removed the errant refs. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
That's all from me. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Cheers SNUGGUMS, I've made the changes. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- You can use "agency" field to remove the erroneous italics that "work" and "website" parameters auto-generate for some reason. Also, there's a formatting error with ref#19, and I forgot to mention that The Guardian should start with a capital T. Not so sure about using italics for "World Snooker Tour". SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- But these aren't agencies. That would be something like the Associated Press. If the cite web template is wrong for italicizing website/work information, that would be an issue with that template, not this article. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, I'll support the nomination, just be sure to link BBC Sport in ref#1 as well as Snooker Scene within ref#6. Hopefully the template can be adjusted so it doesn't add those italics by default (at least for website). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- But these aren't agencies. That would be something like the Associated Press. If the cite web template is wrong for italicizing website/work information, that would be an issue with that template, not this article. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- You can use "agency" field to remove the erroneous italics that "work" and "website" parameters auto-generate for some reason. Also, there's a formatting error with ref#19, and I forgot to mention that The Guardian should start with a capital T. Not so sure about using italics for "World Snooker Tour". SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Cheers SNUGGUMS, I've made the changes. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Query - one thing I only just noticed (maybe it wasn't like that before) - why are there two separate groups of categories at the bottom of the article, one inside the usual box and the other oddly floating above it......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:49, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Whoops, fixed. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments from TRM
- It really feels like the lead is inadequate for what we're looking to be "among the best content on Wikipedia". Perhaps some consideration needs to be given to expanding to include entry criteria for each of the Triple Crown events, perhaps what the winners of each event got etc.
- I've added a bit. Hopefully that's suitable. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- One image in the lead and then nothing? The rest of the list looks pretty bleak with just tables and nothing to enhance the reader's experience.
- I can add a couple images. I'm not the biggest fan of the gallery down the right, but can put one in if necessary. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think, IIRC, templates like {{dagger}} can take an "alt" parameter to explain them for accessibility.
- Sure. Not really sure what this would say though. {{dagger|alt=footnote}} is the example given, but I don't think that's all that helpful. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 2 lacks a date, either publication or access.
- Removed Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- What is 888 sport?
- Removed Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- No archive for ""Hall of Fame". Snooker.org. Retrieved 3 June 2022."?
- Ran the archive script Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- What makes "global-snooker.com" an RS? (note it seems to be hyphenated as well).
- I tend to think it's a very good resource, and I've done a deep dive on it before, but can't find my notes. It doesn't cover anything that isn't already covered, so I can remove it. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think this is an article under the "Snooker terminology" category.
- Removed Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
That's it. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Oppose from Sportsfan77777
You did a good job with the list on the Triple Crown (snooker) page, but from that list, I think it's clear that this one isn't up to that standard. Specifically, some differences where I prefer what was done on the Triple Crown page are:
- I would think the point of this article is to see which players came close to winning the Triple Crown or to track how many finals each player has reached over time. However, it doesn't seem like it can be used for either of those purposes because it's just three separate lists (that also basically just repeat lists on other pages at a lower quality). I would recommend figuring out how to make it a single chronological list like you did with the list on the Triple Crown (snooker) page.
- I think that with more information on the table, that would just get confusing. I'm much happier with info on the tournament winners. I think the assumptions here are a bit misplaced, as if you were following a single player (say Steve Davis), his Triple Crown finals are listed on his own page in such a way. this is just a full list of all such finals. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Is there a reason for not using the flags?
- Flag cruft pretty much. These are individual events, not national. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I would recommend having the counts of the finals: e.g. (1/1), (11/15), etc. the same way you have a count for the wins on the other page.
- I would recommend using color (and symbols) to indicate which players (a) made two finals, (b) made three finals, and (c) won the Triple Crown.
I see others have already pointed out issues with the lead being too short. Some things that are missing are:
- The article should distinguish that it's referring to the finals of the Triple Crown events, not the finals in which a Triple Crown was won. (As of now, it doesn't specify that the events that constitute the Triple Crown achievement are referred to as Triple Crown events.)
- I've added a sentence. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The lead could mention more about how many players have made all three finals in the same year, how many of them won all three, and highlight who if anyone won the first two events in a year but messed up their chance in the final of the third one.
It seems like most of the article could be affected, so oppose at the moment, but I have confidence you can figure it out. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 06:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski: I know that you've been quite busy recently, but do you plan on continuing to work on this nomination? --PresN 02:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry. I hadn't forgotten at all, just had zero time. Will check this through ASAP! Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Sportsfan77777, do you think your opposition has been sufficiently addressed in the above replies?--NØ 02:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments from NØ
- I would write "Eleven" as a numeral (11) to keep in line with the "29" and "21" in the preceding sentence.
- Issue is, we don't ever start a sentence with a number, which is the problem here. Ive reworded to make this possible. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
- Where is the source for the Players to appear in multiple finals table?
- I'd argue MOS:CALC seeings we've sourced all of the individual finals MaranoFan. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Would be happy to support after these are addressed, Lee Vilenski. If you have the time, I would greatly appreciate a review on my current FAC. Best wishes.--NØ 16:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments from Rodney Baggins
I made a few improvements to this list article the other day, hope you don't mind. I would support this as a featured list apart from just one thing. I don't see how ref.6 verifies the statement: "The Triple Crown events are generally the most prestigious on the calendar, with the three winners in the 2021–22 snooker season earning more prize money than from any of the other events." Cheers, Rodney Baggins (talk) 15:47, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- In retrospect, maybe not the "prestigious" part. if you click on the individual events, it'll show the prize money given. This was the only way to show the prize money in contrast to the other events. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:30, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by Z1720
- "is the achievement of winning three specific events:" I don't think "specific" is necessary since you are going to subsequently list the events so I think this can be removed.
- I added the word "specific" here because otherwise it might appear, on first reading, that players just need to win any three events, rather than those three specific ones. I know the three are listed after the colon, but the addition of specific serves to make the statement crystal clear. Or could change it to "...winning these three events:" or "winning the following three events:"? Lee, it's your call! Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- "the World Snooker Championship reverted to being played as a knockout tournament in 1969," -> "the World Snooker Championship reverted to a knockout tournament in 1969," I don't think the removed content is necessary
- "with all subsequent competition" Delete all as redundant
- Disagree. "with all subsequent competition" shows that the modern era is all snooker tournaments that came after the 1969 world championship. Removing those words would leave: "the World Snooker Championship reverted to a knockout tournament in 1969, considered as the "modern era" of snooker" – meaning that 1969 alone was considered the modern era, rather than the start of the modern era. Could change it to "the World Snooker Championship reverted to a knockout tournament in 1969, considered as the start of the "modern era" of snooker"? Lee, it's your call! Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- "when it became open to all professional overseas players as well as those from the UK." -> "when it became open to all professional players." I don't think overseas and UK need to be outlined, as I think it creates a "for indoor and outdoor use only" situation where there are no other options (if there is a category of professional player that falls outside of overseas and British categories, then keep this in)
- Source review
- Version reviewed
- ISBNs should either have dashes or not have dashes
- Ref 2: Why is no author listed?
- Added Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 3: What makes this a high-quality source?
- Published book from Eric Hayton, who used to write the European Football magazines. Seems like the highest quality to me. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 4: What makes this a high-quality source?
- Chris Turner is the guy who used to do the statistics for the BBC and Eurosport, and is generally deemed the second most renowned snooker historian after Clive Everton before his death. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 6: What makes this a high-quality source?
- It's an award winning statistical site, awarded by Britannia and the BBC. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 6/9: Should Snooker.org be capitalised?
- I actually have no idea. I was under the impression website parameters, where the title is just the website name it was lowercase. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Those are my thoughts. Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
List of prime ministers of New Zealand
- Nominator(s): YttriumShrew (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list status because I've checked it against the criteria and it seems to match all of them. It is similar to many existing featured lists of officeholders, such as List of prime ministers of India and List of premiers of Prince Edward Island. This was one of the first articles I edited and I have contributed to it a bit over the years, and am reasonably familiar with the source material. However, I would not count myself as a major contributor. Thus I will not take credit for its quality if promoted. YttriumShrew (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- No citations for the list..? Wretchskull (talk) 07:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Wretchskull: The list is cited to references 2 and 3. This was not clear from the inlines, and I have now fixed it. YttriumShrew (talk) 08:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Comments
- Paragraph 1 is unsourced
- Added some sources.
- Articles really shouldn't include the wording "This list includes" so try and find a way to reword
- I've reworded the sentence in a nicer way that hopefully solves the problem.
- You've changed "this list includes" to "this article lists", which is essentially the same thing. Articles should not contain "meta" references like that (at least not within the prose). I would suggest binning off that sentence completely and starting that paragraph off which something like "The holder of the office originally had the title of colonial secretary; this was changed to premier in 1869" and so on -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Okay. I've reworded it in a way that doesn't mention the article itself. YttriumShrew (talk) 21:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- The lead feels like it could do with a little more content. Could you add info on the longest-serving PM, the oldest, the youngest, etc?
- Added oldest-youngest info. I can't think of much else to add, however.
- Follow-up; I've added another paragraph. YttriumShrew (talk) 04:25, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Could you put refs 2 and 3 against the "sub-headings" within the table? They look a bit weird just floating at the bottom......
- Fixed.
- A couple of entries have a dagger symbol next to the date of leaving office but it is not explained anywhere what this means
- Fixed. (Indicates the PM died in office.)
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @ChrisTheDude: Done the above. Hopefully this addresses your concerns. YttriumShrew (talk) 08:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Pamzeis
Not gonna screw this up (hopefully)
- "The prime minister is the head of government of New Zealand" — This wording implies, to me, that all prime ministers are heads of governments in NZ; perhaps "In New Zealand, the prime minister is the head of government"
- Okay. I've changed the wording, hopefully this fixes the problem.
- "The prime minister is always a member of Parliament." — is unsourced?
- It was originally sourced to reference 1, but the references got moved around. Fixed.
- "should properly be given that title" — ...why?
- They are not considered prime ministers because New Zealand did not yet have responsible government. Have added clarification and sources.
Hope this helps :) Pamzeis (talk) 05:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: Hopefully fixed the above problems. YttriumShrew (talk) 08:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
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instead. - Finally, the table-spanning "interrupter" rows are contraindicated. What happens with screen reader software is that it treats it like it's the value for all the columns- so it reads out e.g. "No., Colonial Secretaries (1856–1869); Portrait, Colonial Secretaries (1856–1869); Name, Colonial Secretaries (1856–1869);", etc. Instead, since this isn't a sortable table, just split it into multiple tables and have the "interrupter" row text be the caption of that table.
- Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 23:01, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Possibly worth noting I did this two months ago and forgot to notify here. YttriumShrew (talk) 21:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Drive-by comments
- "Since 1935, every prime minister has been a member of the National and Labour parties, reflecting their domination of New Zealand politics." Could imply membership in both parties (obviously not possible, but...); use "either" "or".
- Fixed.
- Number of male/female prime ministers. With three women PMs, only three other countries have had an equal number of heads of government (Poland, Lithuania, Iceland), and only two have had more (Finland, 4; Switzerland, 5). Women's Power Index, Council on Foreign Relations.
- Added.
- Counting system a little unclear - a symbol indicating subsequent term of office might be better than bracketed numbering.
- "Nine prime ministers have held the position for more than one discrete term in office." one parliamentary term?
- No, it means for one period. Fixed.
- Both image captions - unclear why absent PMs are mentioned, recommend dropping. Add "from left" to second image.
- Fixed
Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Goldsztajn: Someone finally commented! I believe concerns have been addressed. YttriumShrew (talk) 08:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- @YttriumShrew Made a few copy-edits. Support. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 12:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment
- I know there is a reference that lists all the Prime Ministers from 1856 in the reference section (which actually states in the list since 1865, so that needs to be fixed), but it's not clear what is currently referencing the tables. This reference should be put alongside the captions on all of the tables so it's clear to the reader what source is providing the information in the tables. Right now, it's not clear and I had to fish through the sources to find said source.
- "Since 1935, every prime minister has been a member of either the National party or the Labour party, reflecting their domination of New Zealand politics." This could do with a source
- "The title of the office was originally "colonial secretary", which was formally changed to "premier" in 1869, and then to "prime minister" in 1907 when New Zealand was granted Dominion status in the British Empire." This sentence is also unsourced.
NapHit (talk) 16:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
List of songs written by Ricky Vela
I created this list as part of the 2022 Latin music edit a thon competition. This is a list of songs written by Ricky Vela, who was a keyboardist for Selena y Los Dinos, spanning the years 1986 through 2003. – jona ✉ 19:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comments on the lead
- "a collaborative effort with the producer of the group A.B" - earlier he was referred to as A.B. Quintanilla. Is he primarily known simply as "A.B."?
- Yes
- "became her first critically acclaim single" => "became her first critically acclaimed single"
- Done
- "Vela was closer to the guitarist of the group, Roger Garcia and A.B." - multiple issues here. Firstly, if "the guitarist of the group" refers just to Garcia then you need a comma after his name. Secondly "Vela was closer to the guitarist of the group" - than to whom?
- Done
- "In 1989, Selena signed with EMI Latin, stepping away from the Texas indie labels they recorded under" - if the subject is Selena, why is the pronoun "they" used in the second clause?
- Done
- "Vela wrote "Tengo Ganas de Llorar" for Selena's eponymous debut." - you previously said she released an album in 1986, so how can she only now be releasing her debut album?
- Done
- "Vela wrote "No Debes Jugar" for Selena Live!," - as the previous sentence talked about a track on the same album, I would suggest saying "Vela also wrote". Also you need a semi-colon rather than a comma after Selena Live!
- Done
- "hid the lyrics that he wrote from it" - what's "it"?
- His feelings
- Then write "and hid the lyrics that he wrote based on these feelings". What is there currently doesn't make grammatical sense -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- "According to Abraham" - per MOS:SURNAME, subjects should not be referred to by their forename only
- Not done. Selena, A.B., Suzette, and Abraham all share the same surname.
- Then write his full name. Forename should never be used by itself -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- "Vela continued an active presence" = "Vela remained an active presence"
- Done
- "with his final songwriting credit "Contigo"" - assuming he is not dead, how do we know it was his final credit? He might write more....
- Well he has not received any writing credits in the last two decades, so "Contigo" is his last known songwriting credit.
- That's what I got on a first pass. I haven't looked at the table yet..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- More comments
- My only comments on the table are that people's names in the writer(s) column should be written in full and linked each time, and that names in the artists column should sort based on surname not forename (eg Pete Astudillo should sort under A not P)
- The note is not a complete sentence so it should not have a full stop -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
-
- Apologies if I was unclear above - when I said "names in the artists column should sort based on surname not forename" I did not mean that you needed to show the surnames of artists even if they did not use their surnames publicly (i.e. Selena, Thalia). You should still just show the names under which the artists released their music (eg just show Selena for Selena). But if that name consists of a forename and a surname, the sorting should be based on the surname (eg Pete Astudillo should sort under A not P). Also, you don't need to write "Astudillo, Pete", you can use a sorting template e.g. put {{sortname|Pete|Astudillo}} This will still make it appears as Pete Astudillo but will make it sort under A -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
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- I fixed one for you (Leones Del Norte is a group, not a person with the surname "Del Norte" so is fine to sort under L) and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 01:48, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Comments from TRM
- First line is a bit of a slog. Maybe you could just introduce him as a songwriter from X who has written songs since Y, and then in a subsequent sentence discuss the groups in detail.
- Done
- A. B. Quintanilla has a spaced between the . and the B.
- Done
- "resurgence in popularity in the 21st century" why?
- Done
- "in Who Was...Selena? (2018), " I don't think that's the link you're looking for.
- Done
- "Chris Perez," missing a diacritic.
- Done
- "Vela written "Quiero..." do you mean "wrote"?
- Done
- "certified platinum" include "certified" in the link.
- Done
- "Ricky Vela often collobrated with A.B. Quintanilla (pictured), " spacing again, and I normally see (pictured) in italics.
- Done
- In a sortable table, all linked items should be linked every time, check the Album and Artist columns.
- Done
- Our article on Dulce Amor calls it Dulce amor.
- Done
- Cruz Martinez is missing a diacritic.
- Done
That's enough for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comments by Z1720
- The lede's two paragraphs are quite long. Is there a way that this information can be divided into smaller paragraphs? I also think some of the information can be trimmed.
- Leones Del Norte should be wikilinked (even if it is a redlink) or removed if not notable.
- Done
- "a collaborative effort with the producer of the group A. B. Quintanilla," In the previous sentence, A. B. Quintanilla was introduced as a person. Why is he now part of a group?
- Done
- "and became her first critically acclaimed single." Who is the her referred to in this sentence?
- Done
- ""Dame tu Amor" was the first recording Vela cowrote with the manager of the group," which group?
- Done
- "Following the release of Netflix's limited two-part drama Selena: The Series (2020—21)," -> "Following the release of Selena: The Series," If the reader wants to know more about the series, they can click on the wikilink.
- Done
- "According to authors Max and Kate Bisantz in Who Was...Selena? (2018), during the 1980s, Vela was closer to the guitarist of the group, Roger Garcia, and A. B. Quintanilla, than to the women of the group." I don't think this sentence is necessary and can be deleted.
- Done
- "In 1989, Selena signed with EMI Latin, stepping away from the Texas indie labels she recorded under." This is too much information about Selena, considering that this is a list of Ricky Vela's songs. I suggest deleting this
- Done
- " Chris Pérez, who replaced Garcia in late 1990 as the guitarist of the group, praised Vela's songwriting on Entre a Mi Mundo as being creative with the utilization of "heavy arrangements".[8] Music critic Rene Cabrera credited Vela as a songwriter on Entre a Mi Mundo, an album Cabrera called a "barn-burner"." I don't think commentary on his songwriting ability should be in this article. Instead, this would be better placed in Ricky Vela.
- Done
- "Vela wrote "Quiero Estar Contigo" (1992) for Tejano music band Leones del Norte, his first songwriting credit outside of Selena." This is missing a citation.
- I remove it and just added the year.
- "Vela had romantic inclinations toward the drummer of the group, Suzette Quintanilla, which he kept private from her. After hearing of her wedding to Bill Arriaga in September 1993, Vela wrote of his feelings of betrayal and unrequited love and hid the lyrics that he wrote based on these feelings. Vela eventually provided Selena with the lyrics and she recorded the song for Amor Prohibido.[12] According to Abraham Quintanilla, Selena provided an emotional delivery while recording the track and was seen sobbing in the recording studio because "she knew how [Vela] felt" about Suzette.[13] This was dramatized in the second-part Selena: The Series, released in 2021.[14]" I think all of this should be moved to "No Me Queda Más" and deleted from this article, as this is off-topic for what this list is. The longer the lede is, the less likely people are to read the article.
- Done
- "which was written for A. B. Quintanilla's Kumbia Kings group in 2003." Kumbia Kings was already introduced as A. B. Quintanilla's group in the first paragraph, so this can be "which was written for Kumbia Kings in 2003."
- Done
Those are my comments on the lede. Please ping me if there are any questions or when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 01:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Thanks for your review. I believe I have addressed your concerns. Best – jona ✉ 23:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- The following citations listed in the "Works Cited" are not currently used in the article. I suggest using them as references or removing them:
- Bisantz, Kate; Bisantz, Max (2018)
- Cabrera, Rene (September 4, 1992).
- Fletcher, Michael; Getz, Robert P.; Fletcher, Nathan; Morales, Joe (March 1999).
- Ramirez, Erika (October 8, 2011)
- Vaval, Natalie (May 20, 2021).
List of didelphimorphs
Here is number 20 in our perpetual journey of animal list FLCs (3 lists for Lagomorpha, 10 for Carnivora, 4 for Artiodactyla, 1 for Perissodactyla, and 1 for Cingulata), with another in a series of single-list orders. We continue from the other open FLC for the order Cingulata (armadillos) to here with the 129 species of Didelphimorphia, aka opossums. These animals come in a fairly wide variety of shapes and sizes, though they're all long-tailed marsupials who mostly eat fruit and insects. This order has a lot of similarities to Cingulata, in that it has a single species—the Virginia opossum—up in North America (where I'm from), but a ton down in Mexico and South America. Also like that order, there's been a bunch of research in the past couple of decades, resulting in species being split into multiples and new subfamilies created where opossums that looked similar turned out to be very different on a genetic level, but this list is up to date on the latest research. As always, this list should reflect comments from prior FLCs. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 17:55, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Is the diet of the Peruvian opossum unknown? If so, it might be worth specifically writing that so it doesn't just look like it's been missed
- Under the Junin slender opossum, you have "Size: 9–11 cm (4–4 in) long", which looks a bit odd. I presume this is due to a template, but is there any way to get round it?
- That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:16, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ChrisTheDude: Fixed both, as well as a few others that had 4-4 in. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 21:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wow I had no idea there were so many opossums, lots of cute ones! Same quality as your others and I couldn't find any issues. Support Reywas92Talk 19:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comments from Z1720
- Should the "Classification" section have citations? It's not part of the lede, so is this information verified elsewhere in the article?
- No prose concerns in the lede
- Image check:
- DidelphysWaterhousiiWolf.jpg, Monodelphis dimidiata.jpg need a US public domain tag
- ALT tex is included in all images
- Source check: Version reviewed
- Pass, no concerns.
- Spot checked: ref 3, 37, 134 (passed)
- I'm not sure what ref 1 is verifying? Can someone direct me to where it verifies "Over one hundred extinct Didelphimorph species have been discovered, though due to ongoing research and discoveries the exact number and categorization is not fixed."?
Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 14:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Citations added to "Classification", image tags updated. Ref 1: Unfortunately, there is generally no good single-page reference for prehistoric species in a given order, so instead we rely on citing a multi-page database. In this case, you can verify that there are 100+ species underneath Didelphimorphia by counting the species listed in the "subtaxa" links (and their subtaxa links, and so on). Unfortunately, the "View classification" link just gives you "A full classification of the subtaxa is too large to display here", so we're left with a more obnoxious method. --PresN 16:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Michael Jackson singles discography
- Nominator(s): TheWikiholic (talk) 18:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets FLC criteria. Any comment is very much welcomed. Thanks to all who participate :).— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Drive-by comment
- There is a lot of unsourced content. Any single which did chart in any of the listed territories will need referencing to confirm that it existed..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Any single which did chart in any of the listed territories are referenced to confirm that it existed. For example, reference number 23 have all the information about each Jackson song that charted in the US. If you have not found any references to confirm that it existed, please let me know. TheWikiholic (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, my comment should have read "any single which did not chart". There are over 30 entries in the "Promotional or limited release" table which at present are unreferenced -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Any single which did chart in any of the listed territories are referenced to confirm that it existed. For example, reference number 23 have all the information about each Jackson song that charted in the US. If you have not found any references to confirm that it existed, please let me know. TheWikiholic (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:03, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Comments by RunningTiger123
Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC) |
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* "In 1982 Jackson released..." → "In 1982, Jackson released..." (for consistency with similar sentences)
— RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Comments by ChrisTheDude
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC) |
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*In the infobox, having the two entries as "Singles" and "Other singles" looks odd
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Pamzeis
Won't screw this up... won't screw this up...
- "singles as lead artist, 10 as a featured" — and 10
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- "singles Throughout the" — why is "Throughout" capitalised...?
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- "album Off the Wall (1979) spawned five" — I'm iffy on the usage of "spawned"... perhaps "contained" or something?
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- "released his sixth album Thriller" — comma after album
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- "with Paul McCartney and" → with McCartney (MOS:SURNAME)
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- "album Bad (1987) produced" → album, Bad (1987), produced
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- "and "Will You Be There" which produced and performed by Jackson as the theme for the film Free Willy." — this bit doesn't make any sense to me...
- Pamzeis The current sentences were made per the suggestion of the above reviewer.— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- "album, HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I, a double album" — album, album; feels a bit repetitive
Pamzeis Do you have any suggestions to improve this?— TheWikiholic (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- "features the hits" — MOS:PUFFERY?
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- "deal for $250 million which" — comma after million?
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Hope this helps :) Pamzeis (talk) 03:17, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Z1720
- No prose concerns with the lede
- Note a should have a citation
- Image check: pass.
- Source check: Version reviewed
- All refs to website links should have access dates (eg missing in: ref 6, ref 71, ref 72)
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- All refs should have publisher information, if available (eg. ref 66)
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 75 is a deadline
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 84: Why is Michael Jackson wikilinked in the title? This is unnecessary.
- Fixed.— TheWikiholic (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The refs should be consistent and either always Wikilink the publisher (ref 1 linking to ABC news) or never wikilink the publisher (ref 2 not linking Billboard)
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Why is a bibliography only used for George and Barrow? Considering that they are only cited once in the references, maybe this information should be moved to the references section?
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Suggest archiving all the websites
Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 13:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 40, 41, 44, 51, 54, 58, 60, 75, 78, 83, 96, 104, 106, need an access date
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 41 should have a publication date
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 22, 29 (the word Top), 33 (second bullet point), 35 (the last bullet point), 44 should not be in all caps per MOS:ALLCAPS
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 32s (the first bullet point), 82, 84, should have a page number
- Ref 40: The title needs to be fixed
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ref 57 should include the ISBN number
- Done.— TheWikiholic (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Please ping when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Okay, this nomination has been up since April, with lots of comments, but no final verdicts. @RunningTiger123, ChrisTheDude, Pamzeis, and Z1720: are any of you willing to support/oppose? --PresN 19:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Nominations for removal
List of unreleased songs recorded by Michael Jackson
- Notified: WikiProject Michael Jackson, WikiProject R&B and Soul Music, original nominator: User:Pyrrhus16, notable contributors to the article: User:Reelcase, User:Bobimj, User:The Rambling Man and User talk:Popcornfud
I am nominating this for featured list removal because I find it hard to believe that we consider this the best in what we have to offer when it comes to lists. Although the topic is certainly worthy there are numerous issues such as:
- choice of colours used to highlight the songs are not WP:ACCESSIBLE (HELP:COLOR)
- some songs are tagged with 1993 deposition but this isn't mentioned in the prose or explained anywhere
- Some songs are highlighted as both deposition and registered with the US copright office - so what? What's the relevance.
- Quality of referencing isn't always strong for example Discogs is used which is unreliable as its user generated, there's bare references prone to LinkRot, there's no archiving of the sources
- I find it hard to believe that all of the "facts" about the songs are included in the source(s) such as alternative names for the songs, the specific details of how complete the songs are or are not, who sings what verse etc.
- At least one non-sourced entry
- Lots speculation such as "A demo version/mono acetate is known to exist" and "Original full-length demo of "I Am A Loser" leaked onto the internet in September 2013"
The list goes on. Its full of speculation, poorly sourced and possibly synthesised material, no navigational aids like anchors to jump to different parts of the list by letter and poor prose such as "This list, however, only documents the songs explicitly cited as unreleased and therefore does not contain every unreleased Jackson song registered with such bodies"
which makes no sense.
>> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 11:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delist. All the speculation and poor sourcing means this is not FA-worthy. Popcornfud (talk) 12:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait a month. If all of these issues are resolvable, and they are, what is the point of delisting? Why not just fix the existing issues? Wouldn’t delisting be too much of an intrusive next steps for such minor issues? There are some claims above that are just not true. There is no synthesized material, the sources are not that bad and also easily replaceable, delisting is such an extreme and awkward next step when no one has even attempted to fix the issues. Fix the issues, it really is that simple. If while fixing the issues it’s concluded that they for whatever reason can’t be fixed, then consider delisting. I will never understand why editors will point out fixable issues and decide to take the most extreme step, than just spending time to fix it. It doesn’t make sense.TruthGuardians (talk) 14:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you disagree about my assessment of the sourcing and and synthesis of material. Had I access to the publications (the books) I would have gone through and verified all of the claims in this article. For example some of the songs listed as sourced from Michael Jackson: For the Record seem to have lots of detailed information available but other times its just the song and the writers. That aside, layout and accessibility do not meet the standards of FL. There are some really poor sources here like onmymjfootsteps which half the content is dead and is a fansite. There's no evidence as to who the owner Rachel or, or what her credentials are that mean this website is reliable. The inclusion of the 1993 deposition isn't even mentioned in the lead or what the significance of the songs mentioned here were. There are lots of unsourced or unverified claims like
Rough vocal demo known to exist.
for the song "Bomb Detonation". "Get Your Weight Off of Me" has a tonne of information about it that isn't in the source, speculation about other names of the song (WP:FANCRUFT) etc, not forgetting to mention its a retail source. I could go on but there's a lot of issues meaning the article requires a complete re-write. The reason I am requesting a de-list is that it was previously listed for delisting and some of these issues have prevailed without being addressed. In its current format, it would not pass and ascend to FL status without an entire copy edit and re-write. Its also telling that none of the other articles in the Category:Lists of unreleased songs by recording artists category are FL. It would be worrying to keep this as an FL in its current state as it sets the standard for other similar articles and its a waste of everyone's time if other unreleased songs lists got nominated because they copied this style and format which clearly isn't FL standards. You are saying you don't understand why editors spend time pointing out fixable issues - this is akin to saying there's no point having a delisting process. FLs need to be maintained not just high quality once to pass the review. Its also about the knock on impact and how they end up being viewed by the wider editor base. Sorry you disagree with my assessment but I do think its harmful more than anything to wider quality standards across these types of articles to keep this an FL even if it could be fixed (we can disagree on the size of the job). >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 15:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)- Thanks for your reply. I want to make clear that I agree in its current form the article does not meet FA. No question about that. I do have access to some of the sources. However, all I am saying is that if I am wearing a nice shirt and it get food stain on it, I wouldn’t just throw it away. I would try to wash it to get the stain out. Then if I could not get the stain out, then consider throwing it away or replacing it. The article needs work. No question. I would like to see an effort put forth in fixing the issues first. If not fixed in a month, I’ll support downgrading. TruthGuardians (talk) 16:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- I can get behind that. Tbf if it had improved significantly since the last nomination I wouldn't have bothered nominating. It is an issue with any FA or FL article tbh. There are occasions where the original nominator doesn't continue monitoring it or the community allows it to fall into disrepair. Its compromise I'd support if someone wants to have a go at improving it but after a month, if it appears that no one cares enough then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 18:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I want to make clear that I agree in its current form the article does not meet FA. No question about that. I do have access to some of the sources. However, all I am saying is that if I am wearing a nice shirt and it get food stain on it, I wouldn’t just throw it away. I would try to wash it to get the stain out. Then if I could not get the stain out, then consider throwing it away or replacing it. The article needs work. No question. I would like to see an effort put forth in fixing the issues first. If not fixed in a month, I’ll support downgrading. TruthGuardians (talk) 16:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you disagree about my assessment of the sourcing and and synthesis of material. Had I access to the publications (the books) I would have gone through and verified all of the claims in this article. For example some of the songs listed as sourced from Michael Jackson: For the Record seem to have lots of detailed information available but other times its just the song and the writers. That aside, layout and accessibility do not meet the standards of FL. There are some really poor sources here like onmymjfootsteps which half the content is dead and is a fansite. There's no evidence as to who the owner Rachel or, or what her credentials are that mean this website is reliable. The inclusion of the 1993 deposition isn't even mentioned in the lead or what the significance of the songs mentioned here were. There are lots of unsourced or unverified claims like
List of awards and nominations received by 30 Rock
- Notified: Jamie jca, WikiProject Television, WikiProject Awards
I've been working hard to update this list's formatting, but there are some major gaps in sourcing, and it does not appear to cover all awards the show received. Therefore, the list currently fails FLCR 3a and 3b. I'm still working on this and I'd like to get this back to an FL-appropriate state, but since I can't guarantee that in a reasonable amount of time, I feel I should nominate the list for removal. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I really don't think this should be demoted that easily. I found a website covering all the Emmy Awards that the show was nominated for from the official Television Academy website. [3] Birdienest81talk 09:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Emmys aren't hard, but a quick scroll through IMDb's awards page shows there are a lot of awards that should be added. Even for the currently included awards, many later years are missing. The work to source all of those will take time, which is why I'm starting this nomination in case I can't find sources quickly. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
List of Cathay Dragon destinations
- Notified: Nobody (I really don't know who to notify)
This list is nominated for featured list removal (mainly) because of failing to meet attribute 2 of WP:FLCR. The lead of the list is too short for a featured list (even for a featured list of the same type like List of Braathens destinations). It is also notable that there are some (permanent) dead links in the references which may also indicate its failure to meet attribute 3b of WP:FLCR (although it may not be a main point). Sanmosa Outdia 06:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delist – the lead is awful and fails to provide sufficient context for the list. I don't know why it was changed so much from how it passed FLC, but this is wildly different and does not meet FL requirements. Notifying Aviator006, WikiProject Aviation, WikiProject Hong Kong. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:27, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123: Looks like the whole lead section was deleted by a single edit back in November 2019. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep – Thank you RunningTiger123 for the notification and I can see that another user has re-updated/replaced the lead. The deadlinks are because the airline has now defuncted and merged to the parent company, Cathay Pacific, perhaps the links should be checked and linked against archives instead. Nevertheless, the list still demonstrates a level of standard a featured list should or aim to be. Aviator006 (talk) 07:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Lots of those links do not seem to have proper archives; in many cases, the archived pages seem to just redirect to old route booking pages. I also have issues with the inclusion criteria for items on the list – the introduction says the list includes all passenger routes that were being flown when the airline shut down, but then it includes several routes that were "terminated", i.e., not being flown at that time. The lead was the most obvious issue at first, but I still support delisting due to issues with sourcing and inclusion criteria. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've just run IABot. Seems fine, not checked one by one though. Sun8908 Talk 08:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- IABot isn't always accurate; sometimes the archived pages don't have the same information as when they were added, and a few lead to completely different pages (compare the URL for source 46 to the archived link as an example). The new IABot links in particular seem to be bad, which makes sense since the Cathay Dragon website doesn't exist now. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe the permanent dead links can be replaced. Sun8908 Talk 08:14, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've just run IABot. Seems fine, not checked one by one though. Sun8908 Talk 08:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Lots of those links do not seem to have proper archives; in many cases, the archived pages seem to just redirect to old route booking pages. I also have issues with the inclusion criteria for items on the list – the introduction says the list includes all passenger routes that were being flown when the airline shut down, but then it includes several routes that were "terminated", i.e., not being flown at that time. The lead was the most obvious issue at first, but I still support delisting due to issues with sourcing and inclusion criteria. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Brush up per Aviator006 and keep. 1.64.44.196 (talk) 10:15, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- To be clear, if the list needs to be "brushed up", that implies it's not currently in a suitable state for FL status. We shouldn't say "it will probably get better, so we should keep it"; if it's not good now, it should be delisted until it returns to FL quality. RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- To be clear, it means its current state is still good for FL but it's better to improve it according to what Aviator006 suggested. I think what I said was clear enough. Please do not distort to make a point. 1.64.44.196 (talk) 07:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since this is a defunct airline, the destinations would require as a column date ranges (when Cathay Dragon flew those routes, instead of "notes"), or are we to assume that these were the routes at the end when they merged? But that doesn't make sense since some are listed as "terminated". Either way, Delist until this issue is resolved. The lead could use more information as well (what was/were the first routes, when did they start flying, etc..) Mattximus (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)