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Ardress House - National Trust paid pilot
Hello WikiProject Northern Ireland colleagues, I hope this post finds you well. I usually edit as a volunteer over at WikiProject Women in Red, but am working for the National Trust on a short paid pilot to assess and expand some of the content related to their sites here. Details of the project are here. One of the areas for expansion they have identified is for Ardress House in Annaghmore, which currently has a redirect to the Annaghmore, County Armagh page. In order to enable this to go through AfC, it has been suggested by other editors that I set up a draft and then ask the reviewer to delete the redirect when they (hopefully) accept the page. There's been similar discussion about a different site in Wales here. Please let me know if you have any concerns, very happy to post a draft here first for comment. Lajmmoore (talk) 07:30, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Articles in relation to living persons - Troubles
Reading the Wikipedia policy in respect of living person biographies linked to "the Troubles" has there ever been a discussion whether articles in relation to people accused (but not convicted) of being members of proscribed organisations (IRA/UDA/UVF etc) should actually be published on the basis being a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation is a criminal offence? i.e. if Wikipedia says X is leader of Y that is essentially saying they are guilty of a criminal offence.
Should a caveat at least be added that they are suspected (or named and source provided) of being leader/member etc of Y but that they have not been convicted of membership (unless they have).
The majority of the people with articles would be arguably relatively unknown and would not court publicity except for tabloid articles that carefully skirt around directly accusing people of membership of proscribed organisation. Further, if Wikipedia are repeating claims - or indeed drawing inferences from tabloids and making assertions that are factual - that does not mean Wikipedia editors should have a carte blanche attitude to naming people, particularly for historical events and privacy concerns.
There certainly does seem to be some bias in articles, poor source references and generally questionable veracity to some claims in many articles.
Policy: A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.
If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other, include sufficient explanatory information. TheSquareMile (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Cooltrain: seeking views
The Cooltrain article has longstanding queries about notability. It carries two references: one a raw map on a townlands.ie site, the other a history of Ballinamallard which doesn't mention Cooltrain. Searching on the Council site at www.fermanaghomagh.com finds no mention of Cooltrain. Any thoughts on whether Cooltrain meets WP:GEOLAND? AllyD (talk) 09:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Ardress House
Hello all, I've been working on a pilot project for the National Trust and one of the pages we started is for Ardress House. It's waiting to be reviewed at AfC, and I hope will be accepted. In the meantime, I wondered if project members might be able to help with an image? I've been unable to track one down that's under a wiki-suitable license, and wondered if either a) an editor here was based nearby and might be able to take one, or b) anyone had better skills than me in tracking images down? Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 08:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC)