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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not change the target of the redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for both potential closers and participants.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first or that it has become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
.
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
STEP I. | Tag the redirect.
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Current list
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August 5
Bed death
- Bed death → Lesbian bed death (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The term "bed death" can refer to lack of sexual intimacy between peoples of any gender, not just women (although "lesbian bed death" is where the term originates). Sexless marriage would make more sense, but even that is inaccurate. As the page sexless relationship or anything comparable doesn't exist (yet), I suggest deleting this redirect altogether. QueenofBithynia (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Non-veg joke
- Non-veg joke → Off-color humor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"veg" content (only relevant to India) has been removed from the article QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Nonveg joke
- Nonveg joke → Off-color humor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"veg" content (only relevant to India) has been removed from the article QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Mint (credit cards)
- Mint (credit cards) → NatWest Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no mention of Mint, and therefore no substantive information, at the target Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Intuit Mint. Not the original use of the term, which is an apparently defunct UK brand of credit cards, but is a plausible disambiguator for the proposed target. Otherwise, given the multiple past
BLARsAfds and the WP:BLAR, the only other viable option would be to restore article to its most recent version and send to Afd. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Alternatively, keeping would be valid if a mention of the brand can be added at NatWest Group#History. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Multiple possible options here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Mention has not yet been added at the target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay03:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Template:Apocalypse
- Template:Apocalypse → Template:X-Men characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The X-Men character is not the main topic for the word Apocalypse ★Trekker (talk) 05:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Template:Global catastrophic risks which has links to both apocalypse and apocalyptic literature --Lenticel (talk) 06:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete, no clear use for navbox redirects. Retargetting will make some old page versions weird, so I would prefer keeping to retargetting. —Kusma (talk) 13:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- Revert
and send to TFDper WP:BLAR. This previously was a navbox template, and there's been edit warring about whether it should exist or not.That's an issue that can be discussed at TFD.- Eureka Lott 13:52, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, strike that last part. All of the users involved in the edit war have been blocked as sockpuppets. I think we can simply reinstate the template. - Eureka Lott 14:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The nom has turned this into a delete nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay06:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete – I see no purpose in this redirect. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Male (gender)
- Male (gender) → Male (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Male gender redirects to Gender. What's the best target? — Tazuco ✉️ 05:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment May want to keep an eye on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Female (gender) for guidance. Masculinity may be another option.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 14:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, was only created on the 24th and is an unlikely search term. Otherwise, target to gender. Crossroads -talk- 17:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do not delete since it's a valid search term. Regarding where it targets (Male or Gender), I currently have no opinion. Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to my previous stance, retarget to Gender to match the target of Female (gender) and Female gender. Steel1943 (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Gender since Male is about the sex, and there is a pretty important distinction between sex and gender. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 05:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as a recently created parenthetical disambiguator that is not used anywhere. For search purposes, we already have the Male gender. Jay 💬 07:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Jay. We already have the Male gender, adding the same thing with special characters that are most likely ignored adds nothing. Jacona (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Female (gender) was closed to "Draftify" with the content now existing at Draft:Female (gender), but now Female (gender) targets Gender. Steel1943 (talk) 20:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Regarding the comments above pertaining to how this redirect should be deleted because Male gender already exists: I would say those comments actually support the existence of a redirect at Male (gender) to match Male gender to help our readers arrive to an article no matter what term they use to search, especially considering that Female (gender) currently targets Gender. (On a related note, I have updated my stance on this redirect.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Knegro
Not a common misspelling based on internet search results. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I did a newspapers.com search, and didn't find anything except this offensive article from 1867, which contains it as a deliberate misspelling. Jacona (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete —QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Windows SChannel
- Windows SChannel → Security Support Provider Interface (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Please consider deleting this page. It does not appear to be a common name for "Secure Channel" which doesn't have a page, but is mentioned in a list of similar packages at Security Support Provider Interface. Also, if it should remain, the correct page would have "Schannel" instead of "SChannel" in the name. The former being how most sources refer to the package. It is not linked to at the moment. Louis Waweru Talk 08:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Louis Waweru: It is linked to from Transport Layer Security multiple times. I guess the corrections have to be made there, and while the text "Windows Schannel" there will still be valid, only the word "Schannel" will be linked to Schannel, also a redirect that you created just before you made this nomination. Also, when you say "Secure Channel" doesn't have a page, I believe you are specifically referring to a title with C in uppercase, because we do have Secure channel. Jay 💬 08:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jay, yes, someone created links since July 28th, I'll make sure to revert them as part of the page clean up or prep, I don't know why it was so prevalent on here.
- Only linking from "Schannel" is intentional, there is no "Windows Schannel" so we shouldn't want to create a links from it.
- Finally, Secure Channel is a product without a page, but is mentioned in SSPI, while a "secure channel" is a concept. (Maybe the dual meaning is why it wound up abbreviated as Schannel, I did look for how that came to be a few times, but just a guess still.) Louis Waweru Talk 09:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oops, I think I got sloppy on TLS and linked "Windows Schannel" instead of just "Schannel." Thank you for pointing that out. Louis Waweru Talk 09:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 16:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Knegro
Not a common misspelling based on internet search results. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
N (math)
- N (math) → Natural number (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- P (math) → List of mathematical symbols by subject (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Created by a user who has been warned for creating redirects based on a subreddit involving GPT2; these particular redirects are likely based on [1]. The latter has been retargeted, but I'm not convinced that it's a good target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Hmm It's not a terrible target for searches, and it wouldn't be terrible for N either. On the flip side, you'd hate to have either of them linked from an article. Does anyone have stats on people entering something like "N (math)" directly into the search box? If that's ultra-rare, I wouldn't mind deleting both. --Trovatore (talk) 04:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)On second thought, even if you enter it into the search box, it still doesn't really take you directly to what you want — you'd have to ctrl-f in the page, and that would hit all sorts of n's and p's. Doesn't seem worth keeping. Delete both. --Trovatore (talk) 04:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)- Delete too vague. Many different Ns and Ps in math -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, unlikely to be used and somewhat ambiguous. Lowercase n is used for all sort of things, including a general integer, and for both P and p, there are too many options and they are not easy to find at the target. —Kusma (talk) 09:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete
KeepN (math) - ℕ is of course what you want to write, but nobody except a few geeks like me knows how to enter that in a keyboard. BFG (talk) 11:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)- Hence field norm is possibly a better target. —Kusma (talk) 11:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree, field norm is way more esoteric than natural number and would help very few people in finding what they actually search for. But I would not oppose a disambiguation page. BFG (talk) 12:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- That would be N (disambiguation)#Mathematics. I would be ok with retargetting there. —Kusma (talk) 12:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Added field norm to the disambiguation page. I was not aware of that page before. I'm not sure if we should keep a link to a disambiguation page and it's quite easy to find N (disambiguation). So for that reason I changed my mind to Delete BFG (talk) 12:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think the redirect target for ℕ is blackboard bold--SilverMatsu (talk) 02:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Added field norm to the disambiguation page. I was not aware of that page before. I'm not sure if we should keep a link to a disambiguation page and it's quite easy to find N (disambiguation). So for that reason I changed my mind to Delete BFG (talk) 12:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- That would be N (disambiguation)#Mathematics. I would be ok with retargetting there. —Kusma (talk) 12:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree, field norm is way more esoteric than natural number and would help very few people in finding what they actually search for. But I would not oppose a disambiguation page. BFG (talk) 12:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hence field norm is possibly a better target. —Kusma (talk) 11:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Retarget orDelete P (math) if we want to keep this, it should be retargeted to Probability space. The current redirect makes very little sense. BFG (talk) 11:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)- P can also be the set of primes, p an individual prime, there is the Weierstraß p-function, p-series, ... —Kusma (talk) 12:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right and I'm leaning even more towards delete now. But a disambiguation page is a possibility here as well. BFG (talk) 12:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- P (disambiguation)#Mathematics is the natural target (a bit incomplete though). —Kusma (talk) 12:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right and I'm leaning even more towards delete now. But a disambiguation page is a possibility here as well. BFG (talk) 12:12, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- P can also be the set of primes, p an individual prime, there is the Weierstraß p-function, p-series, ... —Kusma (talk) 12:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to N (disambiguation)#Mathematics and P (disambiguation)#Mathematics as perfectly fine redirects from incomplete disambiguation. If either of those is missing entries the solution is to add them. A7V2 (talk) 04:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, Trovatore and 64.229.88.43. Also, I think P can also be the projective space.--SilverMatsu (talk) 02:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per A7V2. Plausible search terms that can be easily disambiguated, despite the unusual provenance. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 03:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:40, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:CHG
- Wikipedia:CHG → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I really, really can't think of a way to abbreviate exactly what phrase this redirect is. Q𝟤𝟪 07:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment this was created as a redirect to Wikipedia:Changelog, which was intended as a list of major changes to Wikipedia policy, process and guideline pages. A good idea that never got off the ground - it had only two entries from December 2005 when it was userfied to User:Radiant!/Changelog and the title redirected to What Wikipedia is not following a 2019 MfD. The shortcut was changed at the same time to avoid a double redirect, the edit summary citing WP:CHANGELOG and WP:NOTCHANGELOG (which have pointed to WP:NOT since 2012 and 2011 respectively). Getting off topic, but the idea of a changelog has recently been resurrected as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/administrators. Thryduulf (talk) 09:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and free the name for future use by the revival, if needed. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:30, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Change since "CHG" is a plausible abbreviation for "change". NotReallyMoniak (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Change is already pretty short. This will be less clear than just typing the name, so the value added might be negative. Louis Waweru Talk 09:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:36, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete It is not an intuitive abbreviation. "CLOG" or "CHLOG" would be better for the Change Log, so no on retargeting. Louis Waweru Talk 09:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. No good reason for deletion. It's fine for shortcuts to just not get used much. It happens. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 03:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Magnesium-L-threonate
- Magnesium-L-threonate → Magnesium#Biological roles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnesium threonate → Magnesium#Biological roles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnesium L-threonate → Magnesium#Biological roles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnesium l-threonate → Magnesium#Biological (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention in article Qwv (talk) 21:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I have added athree related redirect to the nomination. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note that Magnesium L-threonate used to host an article that was redirected by ChemNerd (now blocked) in 2014 with minimal content merged; mention of the compound was apparently subsequently removed. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:04, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Restore article at Magnesium L-threonate and retarget the others there, without prejudice to sending it to AfD. Seems that the article was merged without consensus and it should be restored. CycloneYoris talk! 01:00, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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"I invented email" guy
- "I invented email" guy → Shiva Ayyadurai (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think this redirect is vague and not that useful as a search term because as far as I'm aware, no one person created email. If this is kept, it should be retargeted elsewhere or to the section that specifically deals with his false claims of inventing email. Thoughts? Clovermoss (talk) 02:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC), edited 02:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- delete Not a likely search term. He is, however, the "I invented email" guy, insofar as he is (to my knowledge) the only person who insistently repeats the false claim that they invented email. Protonk (talk) 03:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Protonk: My train of thought was more that if someone did type this, implausible search term that it is, they might be looking for a single individual (that does not exist as far as I'm aware) who actually did invent email, not someone who repeatedly claims that they did. Clovermoss (talk) 04:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ah that makes sense; also to the best of my understanding you are correct and there is no other person who has claimed they invented email (nor could we find one, the development of tools which we would come to associate w/ email was highly staggered, collaborative, and distributed). Protonk (talk) 15:37, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment (I am the creator of this redirect) This article calls him the I invented email guy. Partofthemachine (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Ivy Road
- Ivy Road → Annapurna Interactive (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. I did find "Ivy Road is a new independent game development studio run by Davey Wreden..., and supported by Annapurna Interactive" here. Searching within en.WP finds a plethora of actual roads by that name. Recommend delete. MB 01:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kenilworth Road. Seems to be its original name according to the article --Lenticel (talk) 02:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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- No mention of the studio at the current target, but there is C418#2021–present: Life Changing Moments Seem Minor in Pictures remaster, Ivy Road and Cookie Clicker. Peter James (talk) 23:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Lenticel as the only target having an article. If the Ivy Road game studio had a section or even a reference at the founders' pages, then we had a case for a disambiguation page, however the founders don't have articles on them. The C418 relation to the studio is too minor as he is composing music for an untitled game being produced by the studio. Readers interested in the other roads having the same name can use the Search. Jay
06:01, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The previous name of Kenilworth Road is mentioned only in passing in the article's "History" section, leading me to think it unlikely that anyone looking for the stadium will use this as a search term. Better to let the search results show various possible meanings. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 06:45, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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Smiledog.jpg
- Smiledog.jpg → List of creepypastas#Smile Dog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Smile Dog → List of creepypastas#Smile Dog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Smile.jpg → List of creepypastas#Smile Dog (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No longer mentioned in the target, likely because the associated section was deleted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Two related redirects to the same target have been added as well. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:59, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment 2 The associated section was removed in February 2022 because it was completely unsourced. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:12, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Procedural comment: @LaundryPizza03, the latter two redirects haven't been tagged. ― Qwerfjkltalk 15:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Done –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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August 4
Cereal eating by humans
- Cereal eating by humans → Cereal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another ridiculous redirect created by StrexcorpEmployee (talk · contribs) based on the GPT2 subreddit [2]. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Recently created and no reasonably likelihood of being useful. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to Cereal#Cereals and civilization (per TartarTorte @12:33 UTC) was Keep). It sounds ridiculous, but this is one of humanity's defining topics. It could already be a list or disambiguation page given existing articles on the English Wikipedia. Louis Waweru Talk 09:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to Cereal#Cereals and civilization: Per Louis above, this topic is phrased oddly but even the cereal page itself (in the section I am advocating to refine it to) says
Cereals were the foundation of human civilization. [...] The term Fertile Crescent implies the spatial dependence of civilization on cereals. [...] Numerous Chinese imperial edicts stated: “Agriculture is the foundation of this empire,” while the foundation of agriculture were the Five Grains.
TartarTorte 12:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC) - That section title has been renamed and is now Cereal#Ancient history and the Middle Ages. All the content about cereals and civilization look out of place now with the new title. I would oppose refining to "Ancient history and the Middle Ages" only for the reason that the previous section "Prehistory" also mention that humans ate cereals. Courtesy ping CactiStaccingCrane as the editor who made the changes since the time of this nomination. Jay
06:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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U k
- U k → United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible search term. Qwerfjkltalk 18:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- As U K exists, the existence or nonexistence of this redirect makes little difference, but I think it is plausible enough. —Kusma (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Harmless, someone searching this will be taken to what they were most likely looking for, and certainly seems plausible enough to me. A7V2 (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per A7V2. Not sure how this would be implausible. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to UK (disambiguation). The lowercase and space leaves a lot of possibilities. CLYDEFRANKLIN 02:24, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Question - Is there a plausible reason why someone searching for the United Kingdom would include a space in the search term? That's not usual for initialisms. Someone might search
uk
,UK
, orUk
but why would they searchu k
? Adding a space doesn't seem like a likely typo and I don't see why someone would think to do it deliberately. I agree with Clyde thatu k
is not necessarily suggestive of "United Kingdom", but I don't see it as a plausible abbreviation for the other possibilities listed at the disambiguation page. If there is no plausible reason, then I'd actually lean towards agreeing with the nominator - this seems about as plausible as redirecting p r c to People's Republic of China. (Same applies to the all caps version.) – Scyrme (talk) 00:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Too bee too tee dot org
- Too bee too tee dot org → 2b2t (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Do we really need this? It seems highly unlikely that anyone would type in this exact string of characters. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- I agree...the meme has fallen out of popularity within the 2b2t community. InvadingInvader (talk) 21:50, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment There is also another redirect titled "Two bee two tee dot org." Partofthemachine (talk) 22:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, alongside the second redirect. SWinxy (talk) 23:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
G.I. Jada
- G.I. Jada → Will Smith–Chris Rock slapping incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Borderline unnecessary WP:BLP violation. I don't think this phrase in this exact wording was ever said during the incident. Steel1943 (talk) 20:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This phrase hasn't been used pretty much anywhere in discussion of the incident either, so it's a pretty unlikely search term. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Marie Rose Abad
- Marie Rose Abad → List of victims of the September 11 attacks#Marie Rose Abad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(re)Nominating the redirect for deletion, along with the 3000+ 2900+ redirects to List of victims of the September 11 attacks per the discussion at WP:Deletion review/Log/2022_July_12 and WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1102#WP:MEATBOT_and_Guarapiranga. Enos733 (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete firstly created by an unapproved automated process. Second listing all the victims like this is undue emphasis on their death, and just allowing a text search will allow a more wholesome view of any information on these people's lives. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Latina (song)
- Latina (song) → Reykon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention on target page, so no use, plus as far as I can see none of the categories are substantiated. If target is amended or better target found I have no problem withdrawing this deletion. Richhoncho (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
War in Donbass
- War in Donbass → War in Donbas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is a disagreement about where this expression should redirect to. I think that the DAB War in Donbas is better target. upd: while I was opening this request User:Крывіч already changed it back. But still let us discuss. Waltermaid (talk) 13:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Mzajac. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:55, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
1922 film & 2002 film & 2012 film
- 1922 film → 1922 (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2002 film → 2002 in film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2012 film → 2012 (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
For the sake of consistency, these redirects should either target 1922 in film, 2002 in film, and 2012 in film respectively, or 1922 (disambiguation)#Arts, entertainment, and media (there are multiple films titled "1922"), 2002 (film), and 2012 (film) respectively. My preference is retarget to the "YEAR in film" titles since disambiguation is a Wikipedia invention, but ensure there are hatnotes on those articles referencing the other set of articles respectively (in either of the aforementioned presented options). Steel1943 (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget 2002 film to 2002 (film); Delete 1922 film; Keep 2012 film: I think that for consistency's sake it makes sense to pick one convention, and from my view someone typing 2012 film or 2002 film is more likely looking for the movie by that name than that year in film. The reason to delete 1922 is to maintain consistency. As there is no proper target to maintain consistency, that should be deleleted. TartarTorte 20:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retargat 1922 to 1922 (disambiguation)#Arts, entertainment, and media, 2002 to 2002 (film) and keep 2012. If someone is searching for the title of a film followed by the word film, we should always take them to the article about the specific film with that film or, if there are multiple films with that name, to where they are disambiguated. Hatnotes can and should be used to the much less plausible (but not implausible) year in film articles. What we should absolutely not do is delete, because that offers literally no benefits to anybody while making it harder for people to find every target they could be looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- "If someone is searching for the title of a film followed by the word film" - only if the film is also a year and shares its title with a topic related to that year, or should it be the same for any film title? Any reason a search for the ambiguous "2002 film" should go straight to a specific, and not well known, film whereas "Empire of the Sun film" doesn't, and there isn't even a hatnote from Thin film to Thin (film). The redirect of 1922 film to a page with no link to 1922 in film was not an improvement. If there is consensus that these are more likely to be film titles, there should be a bot that creates redirects from "[name of film] film" and "[name of film] movie" for every film and adds hatnotes or disambiguation pages where the title is not a redirect. Peter James (talk) 23:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget all to "XYZ-year in film" as common sense meaning, since it isn't "the film named 2012" or "the film 2012" it is "2012 film" which means "film released in 2012" which is found at "2012 in film" -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:16, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget "YYYY film" is a topic or category with valid grammar, while a film with that name is inherently ambiguous. Retarget to "YYYY in film" and make actual improvements with the concerns Peter James raised in mind. Louis Waweru Talk 10:19, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per 64.229.88.43. ― Qwerfjkltalk 11:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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Form of government
- Form of government → Government (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect Form of government ⟶ Political system. A 'form of government' is not a 'government'; it's more a synonym for political system, which is a related topic for which we have an article. (Some forms of government/political systems are: monarchy, republic, totalitarianism, democracy, theocracy, dictatorship, etc.; the article covers a few of them.)
Otoh, there is a lot of stuff in the Government article about 'political systems', so much so, that based on content alone one might wonder about whether a merge with Political systems was appropriate. However, based on the definitions, the topics are not the same, so maybe the Government article just needs some refactoring; but that's an issue which should be addressed there.
This discussion also applies to 'Forms of government' and 'Forms of Government', and any variants I may have missed. Mathglot (talk) 04:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Or maybe even better, List of forms of government, which I just found. Mathglot (talk) 06:52, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep – The current target is relevant, explicitly names the target, and covers the topic of the target in better detail; it's adequate as it is, but could be made more specific by targeting the relevant section of the current target: Government § Forms. Otherwise, I don't think it needs changing.
- The term "form of government" (often synonymous with "system of government") is a subset of "political system"; the latter is a broader topic not a synonym. Forms of government are an aspect of governments, so it is appropriate that the main article about governments covers that aspect of the topic. List of forms of government would also work as a target, but I think it's generally better to link standard articles rather than lists and the list article is linked at the top of Government § Forms so if that's what someone is looking for they would find it easily on Government. – Scyrme (talk) 18:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep ibid above InvadingInvader (talk) 22:49, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to Government § Forms. Based on Scyrme's comments, this seems like the most appropriate target to me. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Patriots in control
- Patriots in control → QAnon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mentioned in article. "Patriots in control" seems to be the name of a podcast, but the term is not used in the article nor anywhere else in the encyclopedia. Delete. MB 04:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Astra (comics)
- Astra (comics) → List of Marvel Comics characters: A#Astra (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Displace edit history to Astra (Marvel Comics) that was merged to the list article, and repoint "Astra (comics) to Astra (disambiguation) ;;; There are multiple comics topics called "Astra" and this leads to an enormous list, so would be better served to point to the disambig page where one can find the other non-Marvel topic link easily instead of being lost on the page. As this topic was not notable enough to have its own article, it should point to the disambiguation page. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Astra#Entertainment (+ the history move as suggested in the nomination). ("Astra (disambiguation)" is currently a redirect, so we can't target there directly.) Note that the disambiguation page currently links to the Marvel Comics characters via this redirect, and thus will need to be changed, presumably to go via Astra (Marvel Comics). --ais523 16:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Forgive my laughter
- Forgive my laughter → Joker (2019 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- You get what you fucking deserve → Joker (2019 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per precedent established at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 25#You'll get your rent when you fix this damn door!, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 3#Give me your rent, and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 25#Give me rent, this is a non-notable quote not mentioned on the page (WP:R#D8). InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep "You Get What You Deserve", delete "Forgive my laughter"I can understand the first of the redirects, but the second is a very-frequently heard quote from the movie. When searching for Joker 2019 on YouTube and the results are sorted from most viewed to least viewed, the scene with Murray's death and the line is the second most viewed line. It's also heard very prominently. Additionally, when typing the quote on Google, autocomplete suggests the quote (albeit without the f bomb) as the fifth suggestion when only typing "you get" into the search box.
- Moreover, while KnowYourMeme is an unreliable source when it comes to accuracy of facts and especially BLP, it does demonstrate popularity through the website's view counts. The quote's entry on KYM has over 61,416 views and is synonymous with the movie. It's not as famous as "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore", but that quote is still preserved as a redirect given its popularity and would violate the precedent established as the "Give me rent" discussion. If that quote isn't removed as a redirect, shouldn't this quote "get what it deserves"? (Apologies if I insult you)InvadingInvader (talk) 02:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: InvadingInvader (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Wizard of Oz quote is an iconic and highly well-known quote, which is mentioned at the redirect target and included at AFI's 100 Years...100 Movie Quotes. This is not the case for either of these Joker quotes. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Have you taken into consideration the prevalence of the KnowYourMeme page, the YouTube clip's prominence and view count (76 million views on this video is the second most out of any Joker clip on YouTube), and the KnowYourMeme page? KYM may not be good enough as a source for notability of a full article, but given the prevalence of that quote's clip on YouTube and the Google autocomplete stats I mentioned earlier, along with 60,000+ views on KYM, this should at least justify a redirect. InvadingInvader (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Additionally, the past 30 days have had 37 hits for "You get what you deserve". Compare it to the more iconic quote ("Toto"), which only got 7 hits in the past 30, going solely on hits, "You get what you deserve" has more than six times the hits of "Toto" this month InvadingInvader (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Plenty of memes have high viewcounts at KnowYourMeme and YouTube, but that doesn't mean they all need redirects. And more importantly, the article Joker (2019 film) makes no mention of either quote, making the redirects pointless and unhelpful to readers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Just because it isn't in the article doesn't mean it pointless. There are plenty of redirects which are famous, not directly mentioned in the article, nor on an AFI list but exist, some of which are arguably less iconic than "You get what you deserve". I agree that not all memes and quotes and popular sets of materials need redirects, but I think that 76 Million views and the popularity of the Google autocomplete segment justifies its inclusion in the mainspace, even if it's an addition to the article after this discussion. Look at the redirect for You are one ugly motherfucker!; how come it's still up? It's not on AFI nor is it explicitly referred to in the Predator franchise's logo, but it's iconic to the series. "You get what you deserve" is iconic to its franchise. And do page hits not count? The more famous quote (Toto) only got 7 hits this month while "You Get what you deserve" got 37.
- I suggest you focus your deletion nominations to redirects that get less hits or are less famous than this. The numbers speak for themselves. 76 Million views. 37 Hits this month. 60K views on KYM. Heck, even 545,000 Google results, which is even more than even Toto not being in Kansas anymore. This should be more than enough to justify the redirect's retention. InvadingInvader (talk) 04:50, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Plenty of memes have high viewcounts at KnowYourMeme and YouTube, but that doesn't mean they all need redirects. And more importantly, the article Joker (2019 film) makes no mention of either quote, making the redirects pointless and unhelpful to readers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Additionally, the past 30 days have had 37 hits for "You get what you deserve". Compare it to the more iconic quote ("Toto"), which only got 7 hits in the past 30, going solely on hits, "You get what you deserve" has more than six times the hits of "Toto" this month InvadingInvader (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Have you taken into consideration the prevalence of the KnowYourMeme page, the YouTube clip's prominence and view count (76 million views on this video is the second most out of any Joker clip on YouTube), and the KnowYourMeme page? KYM may not be good enough as a source for notability of a full article, but given the prevalence of that quote's clip on YouTube and the Google autocomplete stats I mentioned earlier, along with 60,000+ views on KYM, this should at least justify a redirect. InvadingInvader (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Wizard of Oz quote is an iconic and highly well-known quote, which is mentioned at the redirect target and included at AFI's 100 Years...100 Movie Quotes. This is not the case for either of these Joker quotes. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Production of Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars
- Draft:Production of Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars → Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Six (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per this recent RfC for the mainspace redirect and this discussion which both agreed it is too early for an article to be had for these two films with not enough support for them being produced back-to-back. This redirect should be deleted, and was reverted back to a user sandbox that was repurposed, as happened with the prior draft of this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per consensus at prior discussions. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Abe Books.com
- Abe Books.com → AbeBooks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect from a domain with a space in it seems unnatural/implausible. AbeBooks.com is fine, but the space makes this seem to me to be an implausible search term. TartarTorte 18:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- It depends, when one vocally being notified the existence of a bookselling platform of "abe books dot com", this redirect might be what people would type to reach their target. From mid 2015 to earlier this year, the page received 162 visitors. C933103 (talk) 20:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- That's around 0.5/week, which to me seems very unlikely. I would not be opposed to Abe books dot com redirect, but I think the combination of form in using a space but using .com is implausible. TartarTorte 20:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep averages more than 1 hit a month -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:00, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Spaces are not valid characters in domain names. This title does not make sense. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:58, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Plausible way to write this out for someone who doesn't know much about domain names. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep, plausible typo to make on a phone or other device with no proper keyboard. Harmless too. —Kusma (talk) 05:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This is a typo, but not a ridiculous one. I've tagged the redirect as {{R nonprintworthy}} to clarify that it's only a search aid, not an actual topic of its own. --ais523 16:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Someone who doesn't understand how the Web works could type this in. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Asparagus (color)
- Asparagus (color) → Shades of green#Asparagus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Asparagus (colour) → Shades of green#Asparagus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article, and doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia either. I'm assuming the subject of these redirects was at the target article at some point, but if it was, it seems it was over at least a year ago. In addition, Asparagus (color) is a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- It probably was once in the target. This smells like yet another stupid move of content (see #Army green below) but I'm tired of doing the hard work of trawling through the history to find out what happened to it. I vote to put it back from wherever it was moved to. SpinningSpark 14:36, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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Comment – Regarding the history, Asparagus (color) was an unreferenced stub until it was overwritten as a redirect by a revision on 03:10, 6 March 2008 by Wrad. Looking at Shades of green, it appears multiple articles were merged to that destination around 6 and 7 March 2008 by Wrad and PaleAqua. (See Talk:Shades of green § The Plan) The material remained there and by around 2017 it was no longer unreferenced.
However, on 6 February 2021 ThunderBrine thoroughly reorganised the article, deleting much of its content including the material originating with Asparagus (color). I don't know if these changes were discussed anywhere (they don't appear to have been discussed at Talk:Shades of green), and no edit summaries were given. It does not appear that the material was moved anywhere; rather, it seems it was deleted, so there's nothing to "put back" unless we recover it from an old revision. I'm not sure what the reasons were for cutting some entries (like 'asparagus green') while leaving others in. – Scyrme (talk) 00:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- @ThunderBrine: What do you think about this redirect? Your opinion may be helpful, since you've been editing Shades of chartreuse lately and were the one who deleted the material that was moved to Shades of green. If you moved the material rather than deleting it, where did you move it? – Scyrme (talk) 00:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Crayola crayon colors, was a stub mostly talked about it in relation to "name the new colors" contest, see 1993 in Timeline of Crayola. PaleAqua (talk) 02:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
The Google URL prefixed including the HTTP protocol
- Http://www.google.com → Google Search (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seems like an implausible redirect to include the entire http protocol, especially when http://www.google.com redirects to https://www.google.com, making this an outdated link for anyone to be using to visit google. The page views are negligible and are likely from people accidentally pasting the link into wikipedia instead of the URL bar. TartarTorte 18:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The URL being nominated is causing XFDCloser to lag or stop functioning due to an "http error retrieving page information". The header of this section should be changed. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I might be misidentifying something, because this error also turned up when I visited TfD. Might as well wait it out. (Both times I've had closer script malfunctions were soon after I used ANRFC Lister... last time this happened, it fixed itself the next day.) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Welp, changing the heading did fix the problem. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Figured it was worth a shot. This is actually the second time I changed the title. The first one, given by twinkle, wasn't wrapped in
<nowiki>
tags making the section header an active hyperlink. I do wonder if the<nowiki>
wrap broke it, or a link in general broke it. TartarTorte 22:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Figured it was worth a shot. This is actually the second time I changed the title. The first one, given by twinkle, wasn't wrapped in
- Welp, changing the heading did fix the problem. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I might be misidentifying something, because this error also turned up when I visited TfD. Might as well wait it out. (Both times I've had closer script malfunctions were soon after I used ANRFC Lister... last time this happened, it fixed itself the next day.) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Http://www.amazon.com, Http://www.cnn.com, Http://www.ebay.com, Http://web.archive.org, Http://web.archive.org/, Https://web.archive.org/ and Https://web.archive.org all exist and should probably be discussed together with this one as either they should all be kept or all deleted. Https://en.wikipedia.org and Http://en.wikipedia.org exist as well but should be discussed separately as (a) this is the site those URLs lead to and (2) Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 17#Http://en.wikipedia.org closed as keep. Thryduulf (talk) 00:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed links for you using {{-r}}. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 01:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all – There is no real value in this redirect, nor in the seven other ones Thryduulf listed. It is hard to imagine why a reader would enter a URL into the Wikipedia search bar, nor will these redirects ever been linked in articles. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (unless this existing is causing some kind of technical problems) - per the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 17#Http://en.wikipedia.org, this is harmless and unambiguous. I think the web address, even including the other junk, is a plausible search term for the article about the website. A7V2 (talk) 05:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per A7V2. There are only two plausible things someone using this search term could be looking for (1) an article about the website, (2) the website. If it's 1 then if this is kept they get taken to the correct place but if it's deleted they see either search results (which may or may not contain the relevant page in the results), a page inviting them to search (the results of which also may or may not be helpful), or the start of an article (depending on the device they are using, the method by which they arrived at the page, and whether they have the ability to create a new article). If however it is the website they are looking for then, if the redirect exists they can either follow the link in the target article (either helpful or no different) or type the URI again in the right place (no different), if the redirect is deleted then they only have the second option. This means that deletion ranges from, at best, no different to at worst significantly unhelpful while keeping ranges from completely helpful to no different. Thryduulf (talk) 21:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep all, harmless and not implausible. —Kusma (talk) 05:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It's not a completely ridiculous search (people have been known to enter things into the wrong search box in the past), and the correct result page for such a search is obvious, so keep as a search aid. --ais523 14:49, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
August 3
Venomous Viper
- Venomous Viper → Zoids#Overview (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I suggest to retarget this redirect to Viperidae. The Zoids article does not contain the term "Venomous Viper", and even if it did, it might not be a proper primary topic for the term. I also find the Venomous Vipers article name a bit dubious, but perhaps the hatnote I just added is sufficient for that one. Please note that I just created Venomous viper and Venomous vipers to redirect the lowercase terms to Viperidae. — BarrelProof (talk) 22:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Robert Biarnesen
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Muckleshoot Resvn
- Muckleshoot Resvn → Muckleshoot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
An implausible redirect, based on a seldom used abbreviation of "Reservation". SounderBruce 21:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: The abbreviation is used by the U.S. Census Bureau here (in this PDF): https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/DC2020/PL20/st53_wa/schooldistrict_maps/c53033_king/DC20SD_C53033.pdf page 3 (PDF p. 4/5). My feeling is that the Census Bureau (a prominent organization)'s choice to use this abbreviation makes it prominent enough to make a redirect from. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- "Resvn" has 17,000 results on Google, most of which have nothing to do with U.S. Indian reservations. A far more common abbreviation is "Res.", which is used by plenty of mainstream media soruces. For all we know, it's an internal term that is meant to be used alongside internal codes that aren't supposed to be public facing. SounderBruce 21:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- If there's ambiguity about "Resvn" alone, one could make a disambiguation page on that. But combined with "Muckleshoot" (or another tribal name) there's only one possible destination in those cases. On top of that, the Census Bureau, by including that abbreviation in files available to the public, in my view has automatically made it "public facing". WhisperToMe (talk) 21:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- "Resvn" has 17,000 results on Google, most of which have nothing to do with U.S. Indian reservations. A far more common abbreviation is "Res.", which is used by plenty of mainstream media soruces. For all we know, it's an internal term that is meant to be used alongside internal codes that aren't supposed to be public facing. SounderBruce 21:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Thursday's Next Release
- Thursday's Next Release → Kill the House Lights (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
We don't know what Thursday will release next, so why would we need this redirect here when there's not even an upcoming album on their page? To be fair, this was created on August 30 of the year of release for Kill the House Lights (when it was still upcoming and thus the redirect was still plausible), but why would it still be upcoming if it was already released back in 2007? Regards, SONIC678 21:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Template:Cite article
- Template:Cite article → Template:Cite news (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect is unhelpfully ambiguous: it is unclear what type of article it refers to. As @AManWithNoPlan put it in a recent discussion Some editors think it means journal, while others newspapers, and yet others magazine
, while the editor we were discussing it with thought that it was a special version of {{cite news}}. I guess that others may think it means website articles that fit none of the above categories.
The existing uses are nearly all on talk or userpages, and should be substituted with {{cite news}} BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: the page Template:Cite article is fully-protected, so I have not been able to tag it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
- Keep because the page has redirected to Template:Cite news since December 16, 2007. It is transcluded on 422 pages, including one article. FAdesdae378 19:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Is there a bot that converts from {{cite article}} to {{cite news}} in article space? There being only one usage of it in article space, but it existing in many requested edits on talk pages leads me to believe that might be the case. TartarTorte 20:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- If this is the case, it might be possible to have the bot work in not just article space sub out {{cite article}} for {{cite news}} and then we could delete the redirect. TartarTorte 20:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete after converting to {{cite news}}. Articles are not exclusive to news media; journals, encyclopedias, and magazines also contain "articles" despite not being news outlets. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
China in the ABU Song Contest 2020
- China in the ABU Song Contest 2020 → ABU Song Contest 2020 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Brunei in the ABU Song Contest 2020 → ABU Song Contest 2020 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Vietnam in the ABU Song Contest 2020 → ABU Song Contest 2020 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These countries intended to take part in a contest that never materialized. It is extremely unlikely that someone would need to search for an article about a country or territory that did not do something, especially when the activity itself struggles to meet notability requirements in general. The target of these redirects also does not discuss their relevance/importance other than saying the said they would have participated. This nom is in the same spirit as this recent RfD Grk1011 (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. These were used in the infobox of ABU Song Contest 2020, but because they were WP:SELFRED, I removed them. SWinxy (talk) 18:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 20:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Craft Bond
- Craft Bond → Rubber cement (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Searching shows "Craft Bond" is a brand of glue made by Elmers Glue. It is not a type of rubber cement. Since it is not mentioned in the Elmers article, best to delete. MB 05:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- The "Craft Bond" brand name also applies to rubber cement, not just glue. Plus I added a mention of "Craft Bond" in the Elmer's article. AKK700 05:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Elmer's Products where the brand name is now mentioned. CycloneYoris talk! 10:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget per CycloneYoris. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
14 Commonweatlh realms
- Succession to the Canadian throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Australian throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the New Zealand throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Papua New Guinean throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Bahamian throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Antiguan and Barbudan throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Belizian throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Grenadian throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Jamaican throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Saint Kitts and Nevis throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Saint Lucian throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Saint Vincent and the Grenadines throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Solomon Islands throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Succession to the Tuvaluan throne → Succession to the British throne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These re-directs are already targeted towards the Succession to the British throne page. But, I'm seeking to have these 14 redirects, re-targeted directly to a section of that page. GoodDay (talk) 14:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- What section do you want to retarget them to? TartarTorte 14:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- The "Current line of succession" section, in the Succession to the British throne page. GoodDay (talk) 14:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to Succession to the British throne#Commonwealth realms: This seems to be the most pertinent place to refine to. TartarTorte 16:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- No to Canada. It should redirect to Monarchy of Canada#Succession and regency. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 17:25, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- There is no policy or guideline requiring every realm be treated identically. There are different circumstances in different realms and different amounts of information about each; some "Monarchy of [Realm]" articles will have succession sections, others might have seprarate succession articles, still others have no information on that topic. Further, by allowing the UK to stand alone, you're gunning for symmety in asymmetry. You are trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 17:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I think the current redirects are valid. A person looking for information on succession may not necessarily be looking specifically for the line of succession, so it's better to have these redirect to the broader article. The suggestion made by Miesianiacal in re Canada may work as well, but I would have to evaluate on a case-by-case basis. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Presidentman. If there exists a lot of info on a particular monarchy's succession, that article can be created and expanded. Peter Ormond 💬 12:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Schooner Virjen de Covadonga
- Schooner Virjen de Covadonga → Spanish schooner Virgen de Covadonga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Useless misspell. Spanish speakers would laugh at any native that made this error. Super Ψ Dro 11:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Spanish schooner Virjen de Covadonga
- Spanish schooner Virjen de Covadonga → Spanish schooner Virgen de Covadonga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Useless misspell. Spanish speakers would laugh at any native that made this error. Super Ψ Dro 11:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Army green
- Army green → Shades of green#Army green (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article. Cannot find it mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia either (which is a bit shocking ... the only potential retargeting options I could find are Pinks and greens, the target of Army greens, or Army Service Uniform ... but I'd think anyone looking for the singular term "Army green" would be looking for a color, not information about a uniform.) Steel1943 (talk) 04:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
To me this means olive drab which is a redirect to Olive (color)#Olive drab so retarget there.Striking, now supporting Ljleppan's proposal. SpinningSpark 07:30, 27 July 2022 (UTC)- Comment. The target section was removed in this edit by user:ThunderBrine, along with many other named shades of green, after a brief edit war. No explanation to be found in edit summaries or talk page. Perhaps the editor can enlighten us on what is going on. SpinningSpark 07:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- The section was moved to shades of yellow[3], where it can be found under the heading "army olive", but "army green" is still used in the text. Peter James (talk) 20:46, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- That seems like a stupid place to put them. It certainly WP:ASTONISHes having them in yellow and not green. Olive drab and army green are used to blend in with green foliage not yellow flowers. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed, that is stupid. This whole thing seems to have come about by one editor attempting to classify colours by some WP:OR arbitrary spectrography when in fact colour classification is quite subjective. This is not the only one, a large number of colours have been improperly moved in this way. SpinningSpark 14:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- It appears that when you think of yellow, you only associate it with high saturation or high lightness, which is why you associate Olive with green, but Yellow as a color is able to appear at many different saturation levels and lightness levels (like cyan, red, and others).
- Regarding Olive's ability to blend in, lots of foliage don't only come in green. The "green bits" of plants (roots, stems, leaves) may come in Spring, Chartreuse, and Yellow, as well as Green at varying saturation, lightness, and hue. Olive, as a dark yellow, tends to blend in with many yellow and chartreuse plants (or generally desaturated plants), commonly found in dry/arid biomes (Deserts, Savannahs, and Grasslands). ThunderBrine (talk) 23:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dry arid environments used a different camo colour, frequently known as khaki, and not army green nor olive drab. That's why they have those tan colored uniforms used in Iraq, Kuwait, and Afghanistan and North Africa. To blend with aridland plants and sand. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 22:04, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I know that darkening yellow results in olive, but that does not mean we should file it under yellow. We shoud file it under how the colour is commonly percieved. Changing the tint of a colour frequently results in it being perceived as a different or a new colour. Browns are not perceived as darkened orange. Pink is not percieved as desaturated red. Further, relying solely on spectrographic analysis for classification will result in some quite bizarre statements. The peak wavelength emission of the sun is in the green part of the spectrum, but nobody says the sun is green. Well almost nobody, I seem to remember Arthur C. Clark writing it in one of his SF books (without explanation so as to baffle everyone). How would you classify a mixture of red and green light? Everyone knows the result is perceived as yellow light. But it isn't yellow – it's an utterly different colour from monochromatic yellow, and many species of bird and insect have no trouble distinguishing them. Humans only see it that way because of our limited number of colour receptors, and it's a good job too because otherwise colour television wouldn't work. So should we make a new page for red-green (colour)? Not in my opinion we shouldn't, we should go with the subjective perception, not the objective spectrography. SpinningSpark 14:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- The redirect and the page have been fixed, with further transparency being added. Army green → Shades of yellow#Army olive ThunderBrine (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- That seems like a stupid place to put them. It certainly WP:ASTONISHes having them in yellow and not green. Olive drab and army green are used to blend in with green foliage not yellow flowers. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Having army green under shades of yellow is truly WP:ASTONISHing. Also, I've never heard it referred as army olive, and I'm not convinced that is the WP:COMMONNAME. Unless there are multiple reliable sources stating something to the effect of
army green is a yellow color that..
, I'd suggest reinstating the content in shades of green. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)- That is a good point. There is zilch in gbooks associating army green with yellow. All the results are coincidental mentions of the two colours on the same page. I support your proposal to return it under green. SpinningSpark 16:12, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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HRH Kate Middleton
- HRH Kate Middleton → Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per the guidelines, we should avoid making "novel or very obscure synonyms for an article name." This term is rather bizarre as nobody has ever referred to the subject as "HRH Kate Middleton", a combination of her maiden name with the HRH prefix. In addition to being technically incorrect, it has never been used by any sources. She has been incorrectly referred to as "Duchess Kate", "Duchess Catherine", "Catherine Cambridge", etc. for all of which we have redirects, but unlike the aforementioned terms "HRH Kate Middleton" serves no purpose as a redirect. It is incorrect and has never been used by the media, outlets, or biographers to the best of my knowledge. Keivan.fTalk 08:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Constitution of Chad
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Constitution of Afghanistan
- Constitution of Afghanistan → 1964 Constitution of Afghanistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Disambiguate between 1964 Constitution of Afghanistan and 2004 Constitution of Afghanistan, see Draft:Constitution of Afghanistan. Waltermaid (talk) 07:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Keep According to this article, "the Taliban said Tuesday they plan to temporarily enact articles from Afghanistan’s 1964 constitution that are 'not in conflict with Islamic Sharia (law)' to govern the country" (also referenced in the wiki article). Until a new document is created, this appears to be most the logical target (see also Superboilles' comment on the now-withdrawn Chad nomination). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)- @Presidentman, yes the Taliban plan to temporarily enact some articles from Afghanistan’s 1964 constitution. But currently there is no constitution in Afghanistan. Therefore Draft:Constitution of Afghanistan is better. The Libyan case is also different. There is the Libyan interim Constitutional Declaration. Therefore we can redirect "Constitution of Libya" there. For other uses we can refer to Constitution of Libya (disambiguation). But in the case of Afghanistan it would be mesleading, I think, to redirect directly to 1964 Constitution of Afghanistan. Waltermaid (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree that "currently there is no constitution in Afghanistan." The cited article clearly states that the 1964 constitution is being used, albeit only in part. We have an article for that document, and therefore it is the most logical target. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, no the cited article clearly states that the Taliban planned to use the 1964 constitution. It is still not used right now. Waltermaid (talk) 21:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for your claim it is not used currently? If so, I will reconsider. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- [4]
So far, it is clear that the 2004 constitution is no longer in force in Afghanistan and that the Taliban have, more or less, restored their constitution that was drafted in 1998. Under that version, the Taliban’s caretaker administration is a theocratic monarchial system with a supreme leader, known as the amir al-Mu’minin (leader of the faithful), as its king.
Waltermaid (talk) 21:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)- Thanks. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:37, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- [4]
- Do you have a source for your claim it is not used currently? If so, I will reconsider. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, no the cited article clearly states that the Taliban planned to use the 1964 constitution. It is still not used right now. Waltermaid (talk) 21:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree that "currently there is no constitution in Afghanistan." The cited article clearly states that the 1964 constitution is being used, albeit only in part. We have an article for that document, and therefore it is the most logical target. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Presidentman, yes the Taliban plan to temporarily enact some articles from Afghanistan’s 1964 constitution. But currently there is no constitution in Afghanistan. Therefore Draft:Constitution of Afghanistan is better. The Libyan case is also different. There is the Libyan interim Constitutional Declaration. Therefore we can redirect "Constitution of Libya" there. For other uses we can refer to Constitution of Libya (disambiguation). But in the case of Afghanistan it would be mesleading, I think, to redirect directly to 1964 Constitution of Afghanistan. Waltermaid (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Changing my vote to disambiguate per nom and above discussion. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits
- Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits → Seven dirty words (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely that anybody would search this up. Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 04:20, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Googling shit piss fuck cunt wikipedia (as if I were a reader who remembers a few of the words at issue, but not the phrase seven dirty words) takes me to this redirect, and thence to the right article. It's a perfectly reasonable use case. EEng 05:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep stats show about one person per day using this redirect, and this exact set of words in this order are overwhelmingly associated with the target (see e.g. Google Books). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 06:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - as I reckon readers would indeed seek those words, to find that page. George Carlin, you were genius. GoodDay (talk) 14:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Bobux
- Bobux → Roblox#Items and currency (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Obscure meme redirecting to the part of Roblox about currency. Probably does not have enough notability to warrant a redirect. Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 03:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. Not mentioned (and not worth mentioning) at target, while meanwhile there's a New Zealand shoe brand by the same name which likely has enough news coverage to meet WP:N [5]. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 10:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Soft keep because there is no need to delete now. 96.18.106.49 (talk) 5:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unused --Lenticel (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
@ replacing A, at, or O
- @ replacing A, at, or O → Satiric misspelling#.22.40.22 replacing .22A.22.2C .22at.22.2C or .22O.22 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not described at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. This referred to a short section of the article that was removed in 2020. - Eureka Lott 14:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Template:Ext
- Template:Ext → Template:Extinct (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This could equally well refer to Template:Extant. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:52, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- I just found what "Extant" actually is. That redirect does not seem to be particularly useful either; still not sure about this shortcut though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. There are many templates this could possibly refer too, but absent any evidence that the current use is causing problems (which is not presented here and I've not found when looking) there is no reason to delete or change the current use. This is especially true when the suggested alternative, Template:Extant, is itself a very unintuitive and unused redirect (to Template:COI editnotice). Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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Rohit Shetty's next
- Rohit Shetty's next → Dilwale (2015 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete redirect. Rohit Shetty's next film will keep on changing every time a new film is announced. DareshMohan (talk) 00:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for the reason you mentioned. Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 04:01, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Capsulecap. Also, his next what, does it refer to? Regards, SONIC678 05:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: An almost definitionally COSTLY redirect. TartarTorte 13:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
August 2
Murena One
- Murena One → /e/ (operating system)#Murena (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Murena Phone → /e/ (operating system)#Murena (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Blatant promotion. User GreatDer has been adding promotion to Murena disambiguation since days after the PR campaign, Special:Diff/1091812055. Yae4 (talk) 23:51, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose I have no affiliation with the company or subject. You have continuously reverted my edits and countless other new users edits across FOSS projects. My redirects are directly helping visitors see the correct articles in relation to notable news sources. See: register[6], verge[7], digital trends[8], itsfoss[9], XDA[10] and many others. You have also reverted my edits at Murena and are interpreting the rules in a way that favors your version over others. Your behaviour is contrary to assume good faith and I consider it direct attack against editors. Greatder (talk) 13:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Great, you personal attack then you mention of WP:AGF. See WP:CYCLE. It is unfortunate the leaders of /e/ and associated shell companies have abused Wikipedia for many years: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Indidea/Archive and continue by recruiting. -- Yae4 (talk) Yae4 (talk) 14:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This appears to be the brand name of a phone mentioned in the article with reliable sources. The redirect seems plausible to me. At some point in the future, it may warrant article creation dependent on notability. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Soul2Sole FC
- Soul2Sole FC → United Premier Soccer League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, primary sources associated with Soul2Sole FC don't suggest an affiliation ([11]) to UPSL. signed, Rosguill talk 23:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to National Independent Soccer Association, per this which shows it is competing in the competition this year. GiantSnowman 19:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Stock replacement
- Stock replacement → LEAPS (finance) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Stock replacement strategy → LEAPS (finance) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target. In an internet search, while there is quite a bit of coverage of stock replacement, none of the examples I came across mention LEAPS at all, making me think that this is likely a case of WP:R#DELETE #10 unless relevant information bridging the gap can be added to the current target. signed, Rosguill talk 23:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Neutral: I created this redirect, but it might not be commonly used. I saw it at Tastytrade and OptionsPlay. TraderCharlotte (talk) 02:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- It might be used just by virtue of the fact that this is the term Tastytrade uses (they seem to be the largest options education firm in the world). TraderCharlotte (talk) 02:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: This is a tough scenario because LEAPS certainly is a stock replacement strategy in that holding a long-term call option is a proxy for holding the underlying security; however, there are other stock replacement strategies as well such as buying deeply ITM options that are not necessarily LEAPS. It might be best for this to become its own page and not a redirect. I am thus voting for deletion per WP:REDYES as this is a notable topic that probably deserves a full article. TartarTorte 14:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Websafe
- Websafe → Web colors#Web-safe colors (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Web-safe → Web colors#Web-safe colors (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:PTM issues and possibly WP:XY: Between Websafe colors/Web-safe colors and Websafe fonts/Web-safe fonts, it is unclear which targets these should go to since the use of this phrase as a PTM is rather unclear. Also, note that wikt:websafe exists. Steel1943 (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Crimea river
- Crimea river → Chyornaya (Crimea) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous. There are 4 Crimean rivers with articles (see Category:Rivers of Crimea.) CLYDEFRANKLIN 16:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Crimea#Hydrography, which discusses those four rivers, among others. - Eureka Lott 17:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Crimea#Hydrography per Eureka Lott --Lenticel (talk) 00:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per the previous discussion unless someone can provide attestation as an alternative name for any of the four rivers in question. -- Tavix (talk) 20:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Related articles to Hinder (second listing)
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Nio García
- Nio García → Te Boté (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:RDELETE reasons 2 and 10. The redirect is confusing since the artist recorded many other songs. The redirect can plausibly be expanded into an article and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. Muhandes (talk) 14:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Casper Magico
- Casper Magico → Te Boté (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:RDELETE reasons 2 and 10. The redirect is confusing since the artist recorded many other songs. The redirect can plausibly be expanded into an article and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. Muhandes (talk) 14:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Redirects to Deaflympics
- 1991 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1995 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1999 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1987 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1983 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1979 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1975 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1971 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1967 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1963 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1959 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1955 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1953 Winter Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1961 Summer Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1969 Summer Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 1973 Summer Deaflympics → Deaflympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects haven't been expanded in years and, although the Deaflympics article contains a table with dates / location / competitor count, it's better to remove the redirects to encourage article creation. These redirects were also created by a now blocked user (Basixxgiaeewt), so it's better to encourage others to work on this. Simeon (talk) 14:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Anema (fungus)
- Anema (fungus) → Anema (lichen) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted. Nothing links to it, and I doubt very much that someone would type "Anema (fungus)" into the search box! There was formerly a link from the disambiguation page (which then redirected to anema (lichen), rather than just showing anema (lichen) on the dab page) and our new outline of lichens page also linked there until we found the more specific Anema (lichen) page. Those two former links account for the traffic that shows over the past 90 days. MeegsC (talk) 17:18, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Lowland Scottish people
- Lowland Scottish people → Lowland Scots people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
unrealistic redirect The Banner talk 10:06, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I have no idea what is meant by an "unrealistic" redirect. This seems a very plausible way to search for this term, and is mentioned in the first sentence of the article in bold as an alternate name. That said, the nom has also listed the target for deletion (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lowland Scots people) so of course if the target is deleted before this discussion is closed this redirect should be deleted (or retargeted as appropriate if the article is merged somewhere). A7V2 (talk) 12:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Not an implausible search term to me. "Scots" and "Scottish" are synonyms of each other when the former refers to an ethnic group. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. Scottish and Scots are both denonyms of Scotland. CLYDEFRANKLIN 01:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as Scottish and Scots are synonyms in this context. What's even the nominator's rationale here? Glades12 (talk) 09:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
"Highland Gaels"
- "Highland Gaels" → Scots Gaelic people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
unrealistic redirect The Banner talk 10:05, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - as with the above discussion, I don't know what exactly is meant by "unrealistic". Note also that the target has been nominated for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scots Gaelic people. A7V2 (talk) 12:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Highland Gaels would be fine, but "Highland Gaels" is implausible. TartarTorte 16:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per TartarTorte. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The quotation marks are improbable, and a redirect without quotations should be created but I'd hold off until the target's AFD is closed. CLYDEFRANKLIN 16:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
2022 Texas Trailer Truck
- 2022 Texas Trailer Truck → 2022 San Antonio trailer deaths (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Created, not as a redirect, but as a poorly named article. After learning the target article already existed, it was redirected instead of just deleted. I don't think anyone would search on this. Texas instead of San Antonio yes, but without "deaths" this is just too vague. MB 04:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Agree that it is an unlikely search combination, and propose that it is moved as a redirect to 2022 Texas trailer deaths which is much more likely for those who do not know or remember the name of the city. Davidships (talk) 22:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just go ahead and create 2022 Texas trailer deaths if you think that would be useful. No need to couple that to this. MB 22:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Davidships, I've gone ahead and created this redirect and tagged it as alternative name. CLYDEFRANKLIN 16:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment. What a nightmare, facing reality to death. I think it would be respectful to not make this about trucks, and remember this was a collective human tragedy where illegal migrants died in an outcome of human trafficking. Before this is about trailers or lorries, it's also an article about human trafficking. The true subjects aren't represented in the redirects or article name. I'm sure this outcome is one they must have knowingly risked; of course the actual horrors were unknowable, but staking life and death must have been the regret. Louis Waweru Talk 00:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- This discussion is not about the title of the actual article; it is only about whether this redirect is useful and should be kept. MB 00:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- I want to avoid creating another like it, my comment addresses why it's not as useful as it should be. You suggested another that my comment is addressing: 2022 Texas trailer deaths. Louis Waweru Talk 00:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- This discussion is not about the title of the actual article; it is only about whether this redirect is useful and should be kept. MB 00:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. It's too vague without "trafficking", "death", or "immigrant". CLYDEFRANKLIN 01:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Lambda sond
- Lambda sond → Oxygen sensor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Although "Lambda" appears in the article, the phrase "Lambda sond" does not, nor is there any sense of what this might mean. BD2412 T 03:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Check engine light. This is another name for Oxygen sensor, although not stated there. It is mentioned in Check engine light, as well as a few Volvo articles. MB 04:27, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment "sond" and "sonde" mean probe in English; so this is a probe for investigating the lambda ratio -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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Delete per WP:RFFL.The term "sond" is not used in English - the usual term is Lambda sensor, for which a redirect already exists. Tevildo (talk) 20:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)- That doesn't mean some people won't search on "Lamda sond", which actually has been written about in English. MB 00:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Volvo 200 Series. It appears from MB's links that "Lambda Sond" (with a capital S) was a proprietary term used by Volvo for its automatic mixture control system when it was first introduced in 1976. This system included a lambda sensor, but the term referred to the whole system, not just the sensor. The term is used in the Volvo 200 series article. Tevildo (talk) 06:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn't mean some people won't search on "Lamda sond", which actually has been written about in English. MB 00:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
That escalated quickly
- That escalated quickly → Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Quotation which is not mentioned in the target article (and wasn't there at the time of creation either). Lord Belbury (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as too generic of a phrase to target anywhere. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:52, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned in target page, and an unlikely search term. A nice catchphrase, but we don't need this redirect. PKT(alk) 19:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as vague at best. Also the wiki isn't a meme repository. --Lenticel (talk) 00:19, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak disambig there is no mention of the meme on Wikipedia but it is the title of/plausible search terms for titles of works mentioned at Franchesca Ramsey'Book, Imagination Movers#Rich Collins and List of Honest Trailers episodes#2016. Thryduulf (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. I would say replace with {{wtr}}, but wikt doesn't have a entry for that phrase, and it's too vague and common to be attributed to a single thing. CLYDEFRANKLIN 17:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Related articles to Hinder
- Related articles to Hinder → Hinder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
deletion - deProd'd unlikely search term (nominated by User:BobKilcoyne) User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Okay, so this seems weird - it seems to be a improper redirect to a dab, but also nothing indicates that the band ever wasn't the primary topic. Either way, it's improper and should be deleted. CLYDEFRANKLIN 17:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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Christian Taliban
- Christian Taliban → Dominion theology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Pejorative term not discussed at the target, could equally refer to other articles about far-right Christian groups/ideologies, even within the context of US politics. Previously deleted for the above reasons following an RfD discussion about a decade ago, having pointed to a similar target, so I think this is worth a new discussion rather than WP:G4.
signed, Rosguill talk 23:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as per RFD Delete number 3. --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: I do not think that RFD D3 applies here as there are quite a few media outlets who have used the term "Christian Taliban" especially after Adam Kinzinger's use of it against Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene; however, I cannot seem to find an appropriate target for this. It seems to really either needs to be its own article exploring the term (so deletion per WP:REDYES) or delete because there is no place to target it. If kept (or retargeted), a {{R from non-neutral name}} could be thrown on it. TartarTorte 13:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Looking at a quick Google Scholar search, "Christian Taliban" as an epithet in the US context might meet notability guidelines, although most usage I see on Google Scholar would be primary with respect to that topic. However, it's also apparently been used as a self-label by Ukrainian far-right group Right Sector, and there's also coverage of an attempt in the 2000s of establishing a genuine Christian faction of the Taliban in Peshawar. signed, Rosguill talk 19:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Google confirms it is a term in common use. [12]. Greyhound 84 (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:List of most popular articles
- Wikipedia:List of most popular articles → Wikipedia:Statistics#Page views (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Where should this redirect to? Interstellarity (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Most popular pages
- Wikipedia:Most popular pages → Wikipedia:Popular pages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Where should this redirect? Interstellarity (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think this should change to Wikipedia:Statistics#Page views, for consistency with other redirects. I will merge Wikipedia:Popular pages#See also so there's one list of all the popularity rankings, dead or alive. -- Beland (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Most popular articles
- Wikipedia:Most popular articles → Wikipedia:Statistics#Page views (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Where should this redirect? Interstellarity (talk) 20:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think this should stay where it's at, for consistency with other redirects. -- Beland (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Most edited article
- Wikipedia:Most edited article → Wikipedia:Statistics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Where should this redirect to? Interstellarity (talk) 20:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Statistics#Edits per article. I just made it into a real section, and added Wikipedia:Database reports/Pages with the most revisions. "Most edited" could mean "most frequently edited" not "with the most revisions", and that info is available on Wikipedia:Statistics but not the other page. -- Beland (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I have also started locating alternate sources, some of them off-wiki, and adding them to the Wikipedia:Statistics#Edits per article list. -- Beland (talk) 22:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Most edited articles
- Wikipedia:Most edited articles → Wikipedia:Database reports/Pages with the most revisions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Where should this redirect to? Interstellarity (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Statistics#Edits per article, for consistency with the previous nominated redirect. -- Beland (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Most viewed videos
- Most viewed videos → List of most-viewed YouTube videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect is too specific. It's like if we redirected Democracy to Representative democracy. Interstellarity (talk) 20:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget. I think it should be a set index article like Lists of online videos, or redirect there. It will make sense to have it be a list of lists because it will only grow over time, and future videos might push previous record holders of eras such as a decade off the list. Also, it might make sense to have a list of videos for the English speaking world, and then maybe even subsets of that, as I'm sure the future will just be a list of videos from India if not. These are just a couple of reasons to be a set index article. I would also be interested in hearing reasons to delete it. Louis Waweru Talk 21:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to lists of online videos per Louis Waweru. This is too specific and using a set index article would resolve that issue. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 00:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Most viewed article
- Most viewed article → Wikipedia:Statistics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should this redirect to WP:Statistics or WP:Popular pages? Interstellarity (talk) 20:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous. "Most viewed article" of what? One could presume the reader would be looking for WP's most viewed article, but I don't think "Most viewed article" by itself is specific enough. Why couldn't it be "most viewed article" of Slate or BuzzFeed, etc.? - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Statistics#Page views - I think it's fair to assume the most common intent is to find the most-viewed Wikipedia article. We don't have information on most-viewed news articles or other types as far as I know? If that's the case, then it doesn't matter if we dump someone not intending the context of Wikipedia, because we have no place else to send them. -- Beland (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unneeded WP:XNR. FAdesdae378 23:10, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Γουόντερ Γούμαν
- Γουόντερ Γούμαν → Wonder Woman (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Wonder Woman, to the best of my knowledge and from the research I did, has no particular affinity to the Greek Language, so delete per WP:RLOTE TartarTorte 20:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom as no affinity for the non-English language. I get that she is heavily inspired by Greek mythology but that's about it. --Lenticel (talk) 00:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Black comedian
- Black comedian → Black comedy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I understand the redirect, but I think "Black comedian" could equally refer to comedians who are black, but don't perform gallows humour. I think this should be deleted. QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't think that is the meaning of black comedian. Louis Waweru Talk 21:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete While plausible, I think the alternative definition of "Black comedian" is the more likely target. No good target for such a redirect though. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Schoolboy humour
- Schoolboy humour → Black comedy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(Same applies to the Schoolyard humour redirect)
These redirect to Black comedy, which I don't think is accurate. Was previously a redirect to Off-color humor, which I also don't think fits. If any editors have thoughts for a better redirect, I'd like to know. QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thinking that Sophomoric humor might be a better target. - Eureka Lott 00:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Neural mechanisms of in-group favoritism
- Neural mechanisms of in-group favoritism → In-group and out-group#Neural mechanisms of in-group favoritism and out-group bias (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Obscure, long title only redirecting to a section heading. Zero pageviews since its creation on 2021-11-26. Orphan. If not deleted, it should probably redirect instead to In-group favoritism. Darcyisverycute (talk) 14:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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Cà phê sữa ðá
- Cà phê sữa ðá → Vietnamese iced coffee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"đ" and "ð" are two different letters. The Vietnamese language uses the former one. ~~ lol1VNIO (talk • contribs) 13:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: This is highly, highly implausible. The thorn (ð) makes a th sound whereas the Vietnamese đ isn't pronounced as such. TartarTorte 14:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Đelete per nom and above. I get it, the characters look similar in their capital forms (and đ is a descendant of ð), but we don't need redirects of that sort when the letters are distinct enough from each other. Regarđs, SONIC678 01:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Obadiah of Bertinoro
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Perelman's theorem
- Perelman's theorem → Poincaré conjecture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
In the discussion at WPM (permanent link ), there seems to be a consensus that there is nothing called Perelman's theorem with any consistency, so I suggest delete the Perelman's theorem. SilverMatsu (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- It seems that a opposite opinion has been added. (permanent link ) --SilverMatsu (talk) 17:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Make into disambiguation page. There are certainly plenty of occurences of the term in the literature. But I would leave it to the mathematics project to construct a meaningful dab page. SpinningSpark 17:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or convert into a disambiguation page. Discussion on WT:WPM makes clear that there are too many different meanings (including Poincaré conjecture, Geometrization conjecture, and Sharafutdinov's retraction, at least) for a simple redirect to work. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Procedural comment: To avoid duplication of the discussion, if WT:WikiProject Mathematics#Move of "Poincaré conjecture" to "Perelman's theorem" can be used to arrive at an outcome, the same can be applied to the redirect, without involving this RfD. Relisting and waiting another week is also fine if it helps send more participants to the WPM discussion. Jay (talk) 17:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- As a matter of procedure, a local wikiproject cannot override a community discussion and decision. But this RfD could decide to leave it to further discussion on the Wikiproject if it wants to. SpinningSpark 19:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- The WikiProject discussion died out and was archived at WT:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2022/Jul#Move of "Poincaré_conjecture" to "Perelman's theorem". Jay
09:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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Iron Golem
- Iron Golem → Minecraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Target has changed back and forth several times between different video games with no discussion. MB 03:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate to all prior targets -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 07:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As overly vague. It is also the name of a Dark Souls boss and a recurring Final Fantasy enemy. However, there is no specific page with the name "Iron Golem" it needs to disambiguate. However, I would also not be opposed to a disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete. There are almost two dozen articles with mentions of iron golems, and as far as I can see from a quick glimpse, none of those entities appear to get anywhere close to being significant subtopics of those articles, and so are below the noteworthiness threshold for disambiguating, and the search results do a good job of revealing them. – Uanfala (talk) 13:20, 16 July 2022 (UTC)- Oh well: should have looked closer: Iron Golem is the alternative title of the TV film Iron Invader, so that's one valid target. Disambiguation could work, with one entry for that, another for Golem (which unfortunately doesn't mention iron varieties but is the closest thing to a general article), and a {{canned search}} to reveal the search results. – Uanfala (talk) 13:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between the possible targets, one of which has an article (the film). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:24, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate When I made my initial redirect change to the Minecraft article, it was because most readers typically associate the Iron Golem with the mob in Minecraft which is more well known within popular media as well as the fact that most of the redirects history was redirecting to the Minecraft article. With that all being said, there are other fictional entities with the same name so a disambiguation is a more appropriate course of action than only focusing on one, especially since it doesn't even have a standalone article. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 05:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per those above. BD2412 T 06:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Iron Invader, which looks to be the only cromulent target. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any of the other suggested disambiguation entries meeting WP:DABMENTION. -- Tavix (talk) 04:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Iron Invader per Tavix. 2403:6200:8830:BFD9:91AA:FE9C:D025:1248 (talk) 07:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Iron Invader since it's alternatively named as such. I don't see the point on a dab with entries about games with iron golems in it as it is a very ubiquitous enemy monster. --Lenticel (talk) 01:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Geordie dialect words
- Geordie dialect words → b:Transwiki:Geordie dialect words (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The Transwiki: namespace on Wikibooks is roughly analagous to the draft namespace on Wikipedia so it makes no sense to redirect there. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Geordie#Vocabulary. This lemma seems to get a decent amount of traffic, so we should point it somewhere local instead of deleting it. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Geordie#Vocabulary. Plausible search term and has had over 200 page views in the last month, according to statistics. Glades12 (talk) 06:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Geordie#Vocabulary as a plausible search phrase. --Lenticel (talk) 01:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not clear on what is being suggested by Pppery in this RFD. The current transwiki redirect is pointing to the entire original content of this article before it was moved. If the redirect is changed to point at a subsection of another article, the connection to all the content will be lost. That doesn't improve the encyclopedia. So I don't think anything should be changed here, unless it can be explained more clearly what the goal is. —Torchiest talkedits 03:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The nominator didn't make a specific proposal either way, just identified something that was not ideal about the current situation, and opened it up for discussion. The general principle here is that search terms on Wikipedia, such as Geordie dialect words, should point to content within Wikipedia in preference to pointing to content on sister projects, and it turns out that Wikipedia has relevant content at Geordie#Vocabulary. Once the content at b:Transwiki:Geordie dialect words has been moved to Wikibooks mainspace, we can add a {{Wikibooks}} link at Geordie#Vocabulary pointing to it. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:18, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Phil the Fluther's Ball
- Phil the Fluther's Ball → s:Phil the Fluther's Ball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirecting a song to a listing of its lyrics on Wikisource is highly unusual. Suggest deletion per WP:REDLINK or retargeting to Percy French#Songs. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Percy French#Songs per nom. I am opposed to deletion per K1, as it looks like there used to be an article before it was redirected. The article only consisted of the lyrics, however, so it appears that they were moved to Wikisource but the redirect established to maintain page history. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
July 31
Salsa ranchera
- Salsa ranchera → Salsa (Mexican cuisine) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Nominating for the same reason as Salsa taquera; target not mentioned in article Colgatepony234 (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. In English this usually refers to a variety of tomato-based sauce which we don't discuss anywhere in English Wikipedia. In some varieties of Spanish this seems to be a name for ranch dressing (e.g. es:Salsa ranchera redirects to Spanish Wikipedia's ranch dressing article), but per WP:FORRED that wouldn't be an appropriate target here. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Hatnote
- Hatnote → Wikipedia:Hatnote (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unneeded WP:XNR that could possibly redirect to somewhere else. FAdesdae378 20:26, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note that Hatnotes, Hat note and HATLINK also go to Wikipedia:Hatnote. Also note that there is a redirect from Hatnote: Listen To Wikipedia, so if this redirect is not deleted, there should be a hatnote at the target page indicating that Hatnote: Listen To Wikipedia may be what the reader is looking for. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 21:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Well-poised
- Well-poised → Well-posed problem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See Talk:Well-poised. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- If we are going with the mathematical meaning of the term as suggested at the talk, retarget to Signed-digit representation#Balanced form representations which is the target of Balanced form. Jay
11:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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Marathon RED
- Marathon RED → Marathon (video game)#Marathon RED (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Originally an article, redirected to Marathon Total Conversions (which was moved to Marathon total conversions not long after) as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marathon RED in 2006. The section on Marathon RED was removed in 2010 [13] then the whole article BLARed shortly after [14]. Marathon Trilogy#Modifications (the current target of Marathon total conversions) would be a potential target if mention is justified and added. A7V2 (talk) 02:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Philippica
- Philippica → Philippic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Currently, this spelling is not used in the target article. It is also confusing as a redirect as it is the name of (lost, I think) Ancient Greek text that might be notable anyway, and right now is blue-linked and takes the reader to the wrong place (see Theopompus, author). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's the Latin singular for the word. Cicero's Philippics are often given their Latin title, Philippicae (which is how our article on them is titled), and might be referred to in the singular when something is cited to one of them in particular. Presumably the same could be done of the Greek originals, to which the title of Cicero's speeches allude. However, it might make sense to change the target of the redirect to Philippicae, in which case the reason for having it would be more obvious. This should be an easy "keep" unless the title is needed for some other topic. P Aculeius (talk) 14:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Errant
- Errant → Knight-errant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I tend to think "errant" by itself is more commonly used to mean "in error". I am leaning towards either a redirect to Error, or disambiguation. BD2412 T 19:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as the etymological use of the word is explained there in the lead. Otherwise, I think a soft redirect to wikitionary would be a better solution than trying to identify the best target that captures its use as an adjective, in the spirit of WP:NOTDIC, and I am not sure Error would be it. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- "errant" is "wandering", as in "an errant missile" is a missile that wandered (off-target). An errant knight participating in errantry is a wandering knight. An errant word is a word that wandered onto the text out of the mind of the writer (in error). As for where this points, we don't seem to have an article on wandering... -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to error, second choice delete - the current arrangement seems like redirecting general to attorney general. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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Shagos
- Shagos → Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the article. QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:11, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It's an acronym. HotdogPi 20:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am aware of this, but the main usage of this acronym I can see are Tumblr blogs - certainly no sustained usage in RS. QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:37, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It's an acronym and WP:CHEAP applies. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep - Seems to be a little-used acronym, but if anyone does search for this, this article is likely what they're looking for. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep This appears to be the most plausible target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. Though not directly applicable since this is not a disambiguation page, WP:DABABBREV has sensible guidance:
Do not add articles to abbreviation or acronym disambiguation pages unless the target article includes the acronym or abbreviation ... If an abbreviation is verifiable, but not mentioned in the target article, consider adding it to the target article and then adding the entry to the disambiguation page.
Abbreviations are sometimes formed from titles in non-obvious ways (e.g. dropping short words, taking more than one letter from a given word so that it sounds better, etc.), which is the whole reason that abbreviations, like any other content, need to be verified in reliable sources as opposed to just something made up in school one day. Meanwhile, this may interfere with searches for ShagOS (which is mentioned at partition type). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Suicide Six
- Suicide Six → Saskadena Six (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The ski resort Suicide Six was recently renamed from Suicide Six to Saskadena Six and a redirect was created as such. Given that the primary article no longer named as such. I think the Suicide Six should redirect somewhere else i.e. the Suicide Six film/TV and have a dab link from there SYSS Mouse (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate turn it into a disambiguation page with the ski resort, the film and the TV show -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate with links to all three. It seems there's also a novel with that name that may be borderline notable and neither the TV show nor movie seem clear primary topic. Skynxnex (talk) 15:34, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per above - no clear primary topic. -Elmer Clark (talk) 06:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm prodding the film article. Unsourced since 2009, cannot find enough sources to either satisfy GNG or verify any of the claims in the article. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: The film article looks non-notable, and it's the common historical name of the US place, which is what most people will be looking for. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment My prod of the film article has led to its deletion. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 11:16, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Due to the deletion of the film article, there is no other plausible target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Cloverfield (fan franchise)
- Cloverfield (fan franchise) → Cloverfield (franchise) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Nonsensical redirect title. uKER (talk) 07:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Wobble plate engine
- Wobble plate engine → Axial engine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Very similar duplicate of Wobble-plate engine redirect. MrsSnoozyTurtle 04:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as valid spelling variant unless the other redirect is also brought to RfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Five pillars of Wikipedia
- Five pillars of Wikipedia → Wikipedia:Five pillars (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Was previously nominated for RfD at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 June 16#Five pillars of Wikipedia and retargeted to Wikipedia#Rules and laws governing content. FAdesdae378 03:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep link to WP:Five pillars, the redirect you prefer seems to be very incomplete regarding the pillars - no summary, and has very little if any actual information. In contrast, even though the Wikipedia page is an in-house page, it is presented in such a way that it fully defines the searched for topic. It has been stable at this redirect for the last three years. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia#Policies and laws, which mentions the pillars. Cross-namespace redirects like this are reasonable cases for deletion, per WP:R#DELETE #6, but there's a reasonable target available. The target really shouldn't have been changed without discussion since the last RfD. The persistence of the change on such a sparsely watched and rarely edited redirect page is not a reason to continue the situation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia#Policies and laws; we generally prefer mainspace targets over non-mainspace targets, and the mainspace page already includes a link to Wikipedia:Five pillars. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia#Policies and laws, a mainspace article that describes the subject (if somewhat briefly) with an independent source. Glades12 (talk) 08:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia#Policies and laws Cross-namespace redirects should be avoided where possible, and it's definitely possible here. In effect, redirecting to the policies page directly is giving people a primary source rather than an article about the topic; that would be a valid result for a general-purpose search engine, but not for a search that's meant to search an encyclopedia. --ais523 15:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia#Policies and laws per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
WarTok
- WarTok → 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target. Seaching indicates WarTok is using TicTok to spread information about a war (currently the Russian invasion of Ukraine). But it's not mentioned in the article, would probably apply to other conflicts in the future, and there is no other suitable target article - so delete. MB 01:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete If it is not mentioned in the target page why do we have it? Cinderella157 (talk) 03:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/03/tiktok-war-ukraine-russia/627017/ Txkk (talk) 12:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete – as it is not mentioned in the target page and as there is no other suitable target article. Drdpw (talk) 23:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as we don't have content for this redirect --Lenticel (talk) 00:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
July 30
BLPprod
- BLPprod → Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect from article namespace to project namespace. Could redirect to Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Proposed deletion. FAdesdae378 20:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Only used on 7 pages, many of which are related to this RFD. If it is kept, its current target is the correct one. There are two types of prod: regular PROD, and BLPPROD. It is currently pointing to the page on BLPPROD, which is correct. It does not need to point to a page that talks about both kinds of prods. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:55, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- BLPPROD is mentioned in Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Proposed deletion. FAdesdae378 21:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- As an analogy/example, WP:AFD redirects to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion and not Wikipedia:Deletion policy. It's good to be specific. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- BLPPROD is mentioned in Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Proposed deletion. FAdesdae378 21:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete as an unnecessary WP:XNR that is a little bit too "meta" to be useful. Steel1943 (talk) 02:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)- Retarget to Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Proposed deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Proposed deletion as there is mainspace content on the subject. J947 † edits 04:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to the mainspace article. Good find, J947! Glades12 (talk) 07:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Proposed deletion * Pppery * it has begun... 14:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Deletion of articles on Wikipedia#Proposed deletion per above --Lenticel (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. May I ask the reason that the folks above want WP:BLPPROD and BLPprod to have different targets? And is there precedent for having shortcuts in mainspace that point to projectspace? Finally, why are we maintaining a mainspace redirect that no one uses, as evidenced by the "what links here" page? –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:29, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Ja'rod
- Ja'rod → List of Star Trek characters (G-M)#Ja'rod (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Turned into a redirect to List of Star Trek characters (G-M)#Ja'rod by User:Cbbkr in Octobe 2013. Not mentioned at the target article. Wikipedia does not contain any information about Ja'rod so the redirect is useless. JIP | Talk 18:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Star Trek characters (A–F)#Duras, son of Ja'rod, where the father is briefly mentioned. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Jumbo Wales~enwiki
- User:Jumbo Wales~enwiki → User:Jimbo Wales (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- User talk:Jumbo Wales~enwiki → User talk:Jimbo Wales (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The "~enwiki" makes this harder to search. This user is not affiliated with Jimbo Wales and is an impersonator account. FAdesdae378 17:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: This redirect oddly was not created by the banned user Jumbo Wales~enwiki, but by a different user. Having said that, there was no justification provided when the redirect was created and it does not seem like Jumbo Wales has anything to do with Jimmy Wales. I am also bundling in User talk:Jumbo Wales~enwiki as it's the same exact deal. TartarTorte 18:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both. User has never actually had an own user page, so I wonder why the redirects were created in the first place. They only serve to confuse the reader into thinking the user has something to do with User:Jimbo Wales. JIP | Talk 18:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both. Redirecting vandalism/doppleganger accounts to the account they are doppleganging doesn't seem like a good practice, as it can imply that it is a legitimate account. Additionally, few or no pages appear to use these redirects. The "what links here" is mostly entries related to this RFD. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:DENY --Lenticel (talk) 14:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Champ Stuart
- Champ Stuart → New York Mets minor league players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted because it no longer bears any relation to the page to which it redirects. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per milb.com and b-ref, he hasn't played in the minors since he hit .136 for Binghamton in 2018. There's no place we'd have content on him. Hog Farm Talk 16:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
John Calvin Alipate Ahio
- John Calvin Alipate Ahio → Hemi Ahio (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The intended redirect is John Kevin Alipate Ahio. Implausible search term, only usage is WP mirrors that have picked this up. MB 02:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 09:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete not useful, violates KISS principle. --Bejnar (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
French world
- French world → Organisation internationale de la Francophonie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I do not think it the redirect describes its current target. This redirect formerly targeted Francophonie prior to it being retargeted to its current target by a bot after Francophonie was blanked-and-redirected towards Organisation internationale de la Francophonie back in 2020 after a brief edit war of sorts. Steel1943 (talk) 00:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Suggest retargeting to Culture of France, as 'world' is larger than just language; unless the specific intent is 'French speaking countries' in which case Geographical distribution of French speakers might be appropriate with a {{redirect}} hatnote to Culture of France. --Bejnar (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. There is no such thing as a "French world". The only thing that the countries belonging to Organisation internationale de la Francophonie have in common is that their citizens speak French. JIP | Talk 18:49, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete closest article that might be a target is Organisation internationale de la Francophonie but I think that's pushing it. --Lenticel (talk) 01:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Do It (Empire Cast song)
- Do It (Empire Cast song) → Empire (2015 TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention at target page. Richhoncho (talk) 00:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: This is a real song with listings on Shazam and a few lyrics databases, but I can't find much coverage in prose. Should we list songs from this musical on the article anyway? Glades12 (talk) 07:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Mosi-oa-Tunya
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July 29
Organisation internationale de la Francophonie (OlF)
- Organisation internationale de la Francophonie (OlF) → Organisation internationale de la Francophonie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Organisation internationale de la Francophonie(OlF) → Organisation internationale de la Francophonie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete both per unnecessary redundancy with the disambiguator stating a acronym for the subject's name. These redirects existence is like saying the redirects Automated teller machine (ATM) or Network interface card (NIC) should exist. In addition, the acronym isn't correct anyways: The second letter in both redirects' disambiguators is a lowercase "l" ("L"), not an uppercase "I" ("i"). (At the minimum, the latter redirect, Organisation internationale de la Francophonie(OlF), should be deleted per WP:RDAB due to the spacing issue between the title and the disambiguator, and since the properly-spaced variant exists [the former redirect in the nomination, Organisation internationale de la Francophonie (OlF)].) Steel1943 (talk) 23:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete bothDue to theI
versusl
issue, there's basically no chance that anyone is ever searching for or linking to these. --ais523 10:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)- Speedy delete WP:CSD#G3 These are
redirects created by cleanup from page-move vandalism
(see this section of the page history). --ais523 10:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
New New (song)
- New New (song) → Empire (2015 TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned on target. Richhoncho (talk) 23:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Mazoki Lietuva
- Mazoki Lietuva → Lithuania Minor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely misspelling of foreign-language term Mažoji Lietuva; barely found online. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Soft color & Hard color
- Soft color → Contrast (vision) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hard color → Contrast (vision) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The words "soft" and "hard" are not mentioned in the target article anywhere, leaving it unclear what these redirects are meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Tintt
- Tintt → Tint, shade and tone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely misspelling. In addition, seems that this lettering as an acronym is used for quite a few organizations that appear when looking through third party search results; there could reasonably be readers searching for this expecting to find some sort of organization (but none of them seem to currently be mentioned on Wikipedia anywhere.) Also of interest regarding this redirect is that the creation of this redirect was 1 of 3 edits done by its creator in 2007, the editor only ever created the 3 edits in 2007; the other two edits were related to the creation of this redirect and seem somewhat vandalistic, in addition to the creator's user name ending with "ttt" (which seems unlikely to be a coincidence due to their edits.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not a name variant. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:19, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 09:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Eric Blumrich
- Eric Blumrich → Public image of George W. Bush (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Revert to the last article version and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. Speedy deletion templates have been removed by apparently independent editors on two occasions in the past, and the redirection is not a good outcome per this nomination, so it needs to be discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: this targets Public image of George W. Bush because it was redirected to BushFlash, which was redirected to Criticism of George W. Bush, which was redirected to Public image of George W. Bush. - Eureka Lott 21:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The only article where he's currently mentioned is Batman Returns (Atari Lynx video game), but I don't think that would be an appropriate target. Reverting it to a two-sentence unreferenced version would be unproductive, because it would stand zero chance at WP:AFD. - Eureka Lott 23:59, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Given that speedy deletion has been rejected twice previously, deletion is by definition not uncontroversial and so we can only delete it via consensus (absent something like a copyvio which this isn't), which for an article can only come from AfD. That this consensus is all-but guaranteed is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 00:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is a deletion discussion, and we can make a decision here. This specific scenario is described at WP:SNOWBALL. I declined the recent speedy deletion nomination because the redirect didn't meet WP:R3, not because it's a valuable page. - Eureka Lott 00:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- The R3 decline isn't relevant. What is relevant is that we would be deleting an article at RfD - there are only two cases where that is appropriate: (1) when the article was redirected with consensus (this wasn't), (2) when it would be speedily deletable as an article (this isn't, as previously explained WP:CSD explicitly prohibits speedy deletion in this case). WP:SNOWBALL cannot apply unless and until there are an overwhelming number of !votes in favour of a specific outcome, and given the RfD is 2:1 after 3 votes and the AfD is 0:0 after 0 we are not in snowball territory. Given that deletion as an article has been opposed in the past we cannot assume that there will be no opposition when it is actually properly nominated for deletion. I know you don't like this, but policy applies whether you like it or not. Thryduulf (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- And before anyone cites WP:IAR - that only applies when the rule being ignored is preventing you improving the encyclopaedia. Deleting pages outside of process is not and cannot under any circumstances be an improvement to the encyclopaedia. Thryduulf (talk) 01:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think this reasoning holds: the removal of a malformed CSD tag in 2005 and declined R3 in 2022 have no bearing on the likelihood of the article surviving AfD, which is what SNOWBALL would encourage us to gauge. WP:NOTBURO also applies. signed, Rosguill talk 20:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- And before anyone cites WP:IAR - that only applies when the rule being ignored is preventing you improving the encyclopaedia. Deleting pages outside of process is not and cannot under any circumstances be an improvement to the encyclopaedia. Thryduulf (talk) 01:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- The R3 decline isn't relevant. What is relevant is that we would be deleting an article at RfD - there are only two cases where that is appropriate: (1) when the article was redirected with consensus (this wasn't), (2) when it would be speedily deletable as an article (this isn't, as previously explained WP:CSD explicitly prohibits speedy deletion in this case). WP:SNOWBALL cannot apply unless and until there are an overwhelming number of !votes in favour of a specific outcome, and given the RfD is 2:1 after 3 votes and the AfD is 0:0 after 0 we are not in snowball territory. Given that deletion as an article has been opposed in the past we cannot assume that there will be no opposition when it is actually properly nominated for deletion. I know you don't like this, but policy applies whether you like it or not. Thryduulf (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is a deletion discussion, and we can make a decision here. This specific scenario is described at WP:SNOWBALL. I declined the recent speedy deletion nomination because the redirect didn't meet WP:R3, not because it's a valuable page. - Eureka Lott 00:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose restoring this, it is wholly inappropriate for mainspace. Other than that I am fine with deletion per Eureka Lott (and subsequent reply) or a retarget to Batman Returns (Atari Lynx video game), where I think there is just enough information there where I'd be comfortable with a redirect, given this is the only mention on Wikipedia. -- Tavix (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 4#Erin Sheehan. -- Tavix (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- The revision in question would appear to meet A7, as well as BLPPROD, for lack of credible claims of significance or independent sources. signed, Rosguill talk 20:34, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Redirect to the video game article where this person is mentioned. I agree the info there is trivial, but it is just enough for a redirect. It there is no consensus to redirect, then Delete here. An AFD would be a waste of very limited resources to repeat this discussion in another venue, WP:NOTBURO. MB 04:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Batman Returns (Atari Lynx video game). Mr Blumrich does have a reputation - not necessarily a good one - for his various activities 20 years ago, so I think there's a case for keeping the redirect. If the video game is his only notable contribution to topics of which Wikipedia takes notice, that should be the target of the redirect. Tevildo (talk) 11:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Extreme prejudice
- Extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Terminate with extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Terminate, with extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Terminate... with extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- With extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Extreme Prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This now redirects to Summary execution but there is no mention of "extreme prejudice" in that article, and it is not immediately obvious why it redirects there. Pinging @MB:. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation). I have been meaning to sort this out. "Extreme prejudice" is slang or jargon for summary execution or assassination, supposedly originating from the within the CIA. This should be added to the Summary execution article, with a source. However, the redirect at Extreme prejudice should probably be retargetted to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation), with the appropriate adjustments to the disambiguation page. Verbcatcher (talk) 10:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Verbcatcher: Extreme prejudice cannot redirect to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) because that would be WP:MALPLACED: an appropriate option would be to move Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) (back) to Extreme prejudice. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Shhhnotsoloud:, you are probably correct. I wasn't clear on how this should be handled, which I why I held back from rearranging the redirects when I added the hatnote to Summary execution. The article on the film Apocalypse Now says that it introduced the film to phrase to the public, citing a paywalled New York Times page. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Verbcatcher: Extreme prejudice cannot redirect to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) because that would be WP:MALPLACED: an appropriate option would be to move Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) (back) to Extreme prejudice. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Bundling 5 related. Courtesy pings @Shhhnotsoloud and Verbcatcher. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 11:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Terminate with extreme prejudice is a former stub that was redirected to Summary execution following AfD (though the closure did remark, "Or elsewhere as subsequent discussion may determine".) The full phrase is the more common manifestation of this usage, so it should either be kept as a redirect to Summary execution, or converted to a soft redirect to Wiktionary:terminate with extreme prejudice. All the long variants should follow the same. The case for Extreme prejudice is weaker; I'd agree with Verbcatcher and suggest to revert MB's bold move, restoring the disambig at Extreme prejudice. Failing that, the disambiguation should be at Extreme Prejudice (capitalised), as the WP:DIFFCAPS would indicate either of the fictional works to be the sought topic. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- To choose a position and clarify, Move disambig back to Extreme prejudice and retarget Extreme Prejudice there. Soft redirect Terminate with extreme prejudice to Wiktionary, and retarget the others there. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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- As follows:
- Terminate with extreme prejudice - Soft redirect to wikt:terminate with extreme prejudice per Paul.
- The punctuation variants Terminate, with extreme prejudice and Terminate... with extreme prejudice, and a derivative With extreme prejudice, all created by the same user on the same day may be deleted, as unused with negligible page views.
- Extreme Prejudice - swap with Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) per Paul's initial choice.
- Extreme prejudice - Verbcatcher says he will add a mention at Summary execution, but it's not there now, and I don't feel it will stick if added, as WP:UNDUE weight. Hence Delete, or Soft redirect to wikt:extreme prejudice, or Retarget to the Extreme Prejudice dab. If deleted or retargeted, remove the entry of Extreme prejudice (although it's the primary topic) from the dab, and add wiktionary entry wikt:extreme prejudice to the dab, the phrase being the basis for the film and episode name. If Extreme prejudice is soft redirected to wikt, then the entry can be retained at the dab.
Salsa taquera
- Salsa taquera → Salsa (Mexican cuisine) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Target "salsa" not mentioned in the article; it used to be on the page but not any more, I feel the redirect should be deleted. Colgatepony234 (talk) 20:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Colgatepony234: I'm not sure your statement is clear: "Salsa" is the name of the target article without a disambiguator. Did you mean "taquera" or the phrase "salsa taquera" is not mentioned in the target? Steel1943 (talk) 20:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- I meant the phrase is not mentioned in the target. Colgatepony234 (talk) 21:31, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom's clarification that the phrase "salsa taquera" is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear why this redirect targets its target, in addition to readers looking up the redirect being led to a page with no information pertaining to the redirect's subject. Steel1943 (talk) 21:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete only mention in English Wikipedia is at corn smut, which would not make a good target. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 06:37, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
GMU (disambiguation)
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Avocado (color)
- Avocado (color) → Chartreuse (color)#Avocado (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article. Per the redirect's history, it looks as though at one point, it targeted Olive (color)#Avocado instead, but the topic is not mentioned there either. Also, for what it's worth, the French Wikipedia's article seems to claim the "avocado" color is a shade of green. (If a section for this redirect's topic is restored, I have no idea which base article the section should be located.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: For now delete as there is no appropriate target, but when this information is hopefully restored the redirect can be recreated and pointed to the right place. TartarTorte 19:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for now as we don't have cited content for that shade --Lenticel (talk) 09:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- As noted in other recent discussions (Army green & Asparagus (color)), this is yet another section that was removed from the target article by User:ThunderBrine last year. That edit is looking increasingly counterproductive. - Eureka Lott 18:08, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The redirects just need to be formatted correctly. I will help locate these redirects and fix them. *Avocado (color) → Shades of chartreuse#Avocado ThunderBrine (talk) 22:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Ты ж мэнэ пидманула
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Template:Apocalypse
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Male (gender)
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Khaka
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Mint (credit cards)
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2014 Ukrainian Civil War
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List of current Star Magic artists
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Magnesium-L-threonate
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Jackson Norris (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
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Interstate 50
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Smiledog.jpg
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U k
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Star (Murk (band) album)
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This is extremely dangerous to our democracy
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Windows SChannel
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Cereal eating by humans
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N (math)
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Frig (word)
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Xavier Alexander Musk
- Xavier Alexander Musk → Elon Musk#Marriages, dating life, and children (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Former name of Musk's daughter ([15]) not mentioned at the target. Delete unless consensus changes to include mention of her former name. signed, Rosguill talk 19:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- What is the protocol on Wikipedia for including that kind of information? I would not want to accidentally commit "deadnaming" if I were to try and include her former name. QRep2020 (talk) 20:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Weak keep The individual in question is mentioned in the text, though not by name. Unless there's a policy I'm unaware of, redirecting from a former name of a transgender individual seems fine (e.g. Bruce Jenner redirects to Caitlyn Jenner). Either her current or former name both seem like plausible search terms to me. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)- Comment. I have not done much editing in this topic but I think probably delete per former name per WP:DEADNAME:
If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name (a deadname), it should not be included in any page (including lists, redirects, ...)
(bold mine). I believe, unlike Jenner, that Musk's daughter in question was notable under their former/deadname and I'm not sure it's notable now since enough RS are not including it? Skynxnex (talk) 02:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)- What makes the new name notable though, if I may, is the fact that she used to "be" a Musk but now not only has adopted a new surname but has stated she wants nothing to do with her father and whatever is associated with being a Musk. As for the privacy concerns, every single article about the matter I have come across features both names, and there are a lot of them as one would expect. QRep2020 (talk) 08:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if she/her new name is notable or not but this is about her deadname. Redirects of non-notable things to aid searches are definitely done, but WP:DEADNAME seems to disallow that for non-notable deadnames. But this definitely seems like an edge case not directly fitting the examples given of either a famous person who was famous and changed their name and are still famous (Jenner) or someone who was unknown, changed their name, and then got notable (Rachel Levine). Skynxnex (talk) 12:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- What makes the new name notable though, if I may, is the fact that she used to "be" a Musk but now not only has adopted a new surname but has stated she wants nothing to do with her father and whatever is associated with being a Musk. As for the privacy concerns, every single article about the matter I have come across features both names, and there are a lot of them as one would expect. QRep2020 (talk) 08:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not here to spread rumors or fallacies, but I do recall seeing somewhere on reddit's Wikipedia sub that a person did not want their name on their father's article and wanted to know the process of removing it, so let's hypothetically put her in this category and delete as someone who does not want to be publicly associated with their father on Wikipedia and just delete this unnecessary redirect entirely. Trillfendi (talk) 19:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- On the one hand, this name has been reported in a few reliable sources. However, MOS:DEADNAME is unusual in that it does not say to defer to usage in reliable sources (largely, I think, because some RSes have not always been responsible, with respect to individuals' privacy in dignity, in the way in which they report deadnames). Was she notable under this name? No. Thus the redirect should be deleted. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Changing my vote to delete per above discussion. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
- WP:DEADNAME kind of dictates we delete it, even in the face of a couple of good arguments to keep. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
1922 film & 2002 film & 2012 film
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Errant
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Whip Gate - Incidents During the Biden Administration
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Little Punjab
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Animal Parade
- Animal Parade → Teletubbies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 20:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I was thinking of two potential targets but I'm not sure though. One is A Parade of Animals and the other is Harvest Moon: Animal Parade. --Lenticel (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak disambig in addition to Lenticel's findings there is an entry in the discography at Carlos (singer) and a musical work noted at Iain Farrington#Career, which I think makes enough for a dab. May Zoo Parade and Procession of the Species as see alsos? I expect we probably have some content somewhere about the parades that were common at some zoos in the early-mid 20th century, but I've not found anything yet. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:18, 24 July 2022 (UTC)- Replace with DAB page per Lentical and Thryduulf -Elmer Clark (talk) 06:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Harvest Moon: Animal Parade as an {{R from incomplete name}} with a hatnote to A Parade of Animals. Not sure that a dab page would be suitable as most entries with this title are rather osbcure. CycloneYoris talk! 00:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Suicide Six
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Vietnamese in China
- Vietnamesee language in China → Gin people#Language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Vietnamese in China → Gin people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Vietnamese people in China → Overseas Vietnamese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These should point to the same target. I think that Overseas Vietnamese, with the current hatnote to Gin people, is the most appropriate target. The first could also potentially be deleted for being an unusual typo. signed, Rosguill talk 15:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Given that Overseas Vietnamese has only a single sentence on China, which is essentially just a link to Gin people, I would prefer Gin people as the target. If not that, then as a secondary preference, Overseas Vietnamese#China. Furius (talk) 22:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- My sense based on Google Scholar results is that we are undercovering Vietnamese people in China on Overseas Vietnamese, as most results for the term there are for modern immigrants, not Gin people. signed, Rosguill talk 22:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay07:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect all to a new DAB page with links to Gin people, Vietnamese people in Hong Kong, and Vietnamese people in Taiwan. -Elmer Clark (talk) 06:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the first and retarget the other two to Overseas Vietnamese per nom. CycloneYoris talk! 23:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the first, refine the other two to Overseas Vietnamese § China, and reword that section to note that not all Vietnamese in China are Gin. I agree with Rosguill and Yoris' logic, but think a section-level redirect would be preferable. Second choice would be to retarget them to the full article. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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