Golden
Golden is warned that his actions in the Armenia-Azerbaijan topic area have been disruptive as per this report, and that the next minor infraction will result in a topic ban, block or both. This warning is a type of sanction, and will be logged in the AE logs. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Golden
Golden was blocked for sockpuppeting and, on a condition to remove the block, put under an AA topic ban. Although the topic ban was appealed a few months ago on April 23rd, Golden has continued to display the same tendentious pattern that resulted in their block and topic ban, as much of their sockpuppeting focused on name changes for settlements in Azerbaijan. I did a courtesy warning about one of Golden's edits to their mentor, see User_talk:MJL#Monitoring_/_mentoring. Golden agreed to self-revert the tendentious edit per their mentor's advice. However, the problematic behavior of Golden in the AA area didn’t improve even after this. They removed the Armenian name from the Zangilan lead with insufficient explanation, see the 1st diff. They were replied to with talk arguments that they didn’t address for 20 days. It gets very confusing and bad faith from here on; user Armatura who made the arguments was blocked on 8th of July (unrelated to Zangilan lead), only after which, hours later, Golden finally bothered to reply to a now blocked user. With what intentions when now Armatura can't reply back, I'm not sure. Golden’s reply itself was an irrelevant search result and didn't address the arguments of alternative name in the lead (wasn't a move discussion). But Golden didn't stop there; they restored their own edit less than 12 hours later after that 20 day delayed reply, with an edit summary "per talk". They reinstated their own edit based on that subpar talk comment when the opposing user has no means to reply. Even other opposing editors on talk (who formed consensus) didn’t have the chance to reply either (when I saw Golden’s reinstating edit, I reverted and commented myself). In good faith, I asked about this on Golden’s talk first, wanting to understand their rationale. There should’ve been one I thought given how serious this is, given their recent tban, and given that I just notified about their tendentious edit after the tban - all of these should’ve been enough reflection for Golden and I expected a well justified rationale for their behavior. Yet all I received were elusive justifications and reassurances that amount to nothing at this point, User_talk:Golden#I_want_to_understand_your_rationale_first. Other examples include Golden adding unsourced content in articles without addressing the arguments, see the diffs in 4th point. I think this user didn't learn anything and their tban should be reinstated, the length of their original probation wasn't enough to make them edit without tendentious pattern/behavior. Perhaps, an indef would be more suiting.
Discussion concerning GoldenStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by GoldenI explained my reasoning for the first three diffs (which are all part of the same dispute) here, and I don't have anything else to add at the moment. Regarding the last diff, I provided ZaniGiovanni with a reliable source for the change, which he did not find satisfactory and requested further detail from sources. I believe the source I've provided is sufficient enough and the level of detail he is expecting is unrealistic, which is why I haven't responded further. — Golden call me maybe? 19:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Statement by MJLThis edit had sufficient explanation. These were not Golden consistently expresses a willingness to listen to others and self-correct. ([5]) They have written content like Declaration of Independence of Azerbaijan to GA status since the topic ban has been lifted. Golden has been almost entirely absent from the drama boards which I personally find incredibly commendable. Does Golden still get into disputes? Of course, but they have kept their cool even during stressful situations. If most editors in AA2 were like Golden, then the project would be better off in my opinion. That said, I am biased here. Golden is a wiki-friend of mine. The "mentor-mentee" aspect of our relationship is a bit overblown (it's mostly just me being supportive and pointing out any potential missteps as I see them). I was personally incredibly upset about these two edits since I was involved with Armatura's block and don't want anyone to think I did that to proxy for Golden or anything. Armatura's behavior had been bothering me for a while, but if I weighed in on the content dispute itself I would probably have taken his side. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 19:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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Durga
Mili977 and Keshavv1234 are topic banned from the areas of India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, broadly construed. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:50, 2 August 2022 (UTC) |
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There's been a large-scale edit war going on between Mili977 and Keshavv1234 on Durga recently. It's clearest from the page history, but a good sample is the same edit being reverted back and forth beyond WP:3RR by both editors in question:
This is by far not the only edit being warred over – there are a number of other edit wars by the same two editors on the same page – but one example seems enough to show what has been going on on the page. The edit war as a whole is well over 20RR each by now.
I notified Mili977 and Keshavv1234. --ais523 01:34, 2 August 2022 (UTC) Discussion concerning DurgaStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Mili977User:Keshavv1234 has added many biased details on the Durga page. He has unnecessarily exalted the form of Durga and used common names addressing Mahadevi to other names of Goddess Durga. Some of them are common names used only by North Indians. For example, the word Devi Maa is a common North Indian name for the Goddess. Then it will not be wrong to apply the South Indian name as Amman. In many other pages belonging to Mahadevi, he mentions that the main form of Mahadevi is only as Durga.And some of the references he gives to his descriptions do not support his facts. Thank you. Statement by Keshavv1234Respected, User Mili977 has continuously done such poor, disruptive and misleading edits resulting in total vandalism at the articles related to deities in Hinduism. Especially, he keeps adding and removing content with his personal believes, without any reason and sources. He was disturbing the article Durga currently. Few days back, he was trying to add/remove all general information from the Durga article and adding his own perceptions. Then, I quickly reverted all those edits. Then again he reverted/undo my edits and this kept going on and on. When at last the page was fully protected (administrative protection and access required) by Favonian. And just a day prior the administrative protection was automatically expired and the page was accessible again for all. Then, I restored the page to the original version and removed the misleading edits by Mili977. And again, he started his disruptive editing. I've seen many users warning him earlier also about his misleading edits related to goddesses especially. He's also seen disturbing articles like Mahadevi, Navadurgas, Tripura Sundari, Bhuvaneshwari and many others related to hindu goddesses regularly. Also I request that Durga article be permanent or for some long time semi protected (extended confirmed access required) as some other new editors also try to disturb the page. I'm not devoted to any deity to be honest. I was just improving the page by keeping it's originality. But he keeps adding his personal stuff and removing all properly sourced as well as general information which is on the article from so long. Also Navaratri and Navadurgas pages are totally associated with Durga. And he tries to add Mahadevi only everywhere, by which he tries to prove that there's no need of independent pages of Durga and other goddesses. He replace Mahadevi or Adi Shakti with every goddesses. Adi Shakti is the energy lying among them but they are in separate aspects. As, Durga article is possibly viewed by a lot of people so I also continuously reverted his misleading edits. Also I've noticed that he continuously tries to promote Tripura Sundari and Bhuvaneshwari only as supreme goddesses and taking all other goddesses under them which is totally irrelevant. I've asked him many times that his misleading edits at Durga needs to be stopped otherwise the page will be disrupted or broken due to tons of edits. The current version of Durga page is the only best revision which all is fully sourced. The user mili977 also removed many information deliberately which spoiled even the grammatical structure of the article. I myself didn't added any information as per my believes till now. The information there without sourcing is already removed by me and the current is the best revision on the page. Check more details on this matter at Durga's talk page/consensus. Statement by (username)Result concerning Durga
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My very best wishes
Not necessarily the best behavior, but not really a WP:AE issue. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning My very best wishes
Lyudmyla Denisova (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) On 24 June My very best wishes (MVBW) made this bold edit [7], which he then strenuously defended against any attempt to modify and revert it. He particularly resisted my attempts to remove the (at first sight trivial) information that former Ukrainian ombudsperson Denisova had shared a database on war crimes with other government officials and prosecutors. That information had been published by New York Times on 2 May but had later been called into question and denied by Ukrainska Pravda, Meduza and by the Ukrainian Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova.
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As these information had been added to the article/edited/restored by multiple editors, I
@GizzyCatBella: Admittedly I have much to learn about WP policies and I appreciate this discussion also as an opportunity to understand what's permissible and what's a no-no here around. Note, however, that this dispute is not at all about content disagreement. In fact, I never tried to publish the info that Denisova did not share her database with law enforcement agencies (as reported by Meduza, UP, etc.). My arguments about the database were entirely based on policies (WP:V, WP:ONUS and WP:NPOV) as you can see from my edit summaries (e.g. [27], [28]) and from my OP [29]. I'm sure that such an experienced editor as MVBW was aware that per WP:BLPSOURCE and WP:BLPREMOVE
Anyway, if this request is unfounded I apologize for that. It was made in good faith. In the future I will avoid advancing others without first having asked the advice of an admin, as GizzyCatBella suggests me to do. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 00:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Discussion concerning My very best wishesStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by My very best wishesYes, we have content disagreements with Gitz6666 on page Denisova. We discussed them on article talk page, and all my edits have been fully explained there. There is also a related thread on RSNB started by Gitz6666, and I think the question he asked on RSNB boils down to this [37]. Speaking on the content I suggested to include, here is it: [38] and [39]. This is sourced to an article about Denisova published in New York Times [40]. Author is a regular and well established contributor to NYT [41], this is not an editorial. Note that the content I wanted to include is mostly a direct citation from the article. The article in NYT is not an advertisement. I did not use any potentially problematic sources, such as the article in Ukrainska Pravda or the posting in Meduza noted by Gitz666 (the latter does even have an author [42]). Please note that none of other RS contradicts information I tried to include from the article in NYT (two my diffs above), contrary to claims by Gitz6666. The only contributor who objected to including this material was Gitz6666. I do not think he provided any legitimate reasons for not including it; simply saying "WP:ONUS" is not a proper justification. No, I did not object to including info about "open letter by 140 Ukrainian journalists and human rights activists", and this info is currently included to the page. All I did was moving this info to a more appropriate section [43], contrary to claim by Gitz666. As about "exaggerated", the exactly meaning of this word is not clear, and I tried to refine what she said using more direct citation: [44], although I think that such citation adds little to the page and ultimately better be removed to provide proper balance on the page [45]: the page includes a huge paragraph about her dismissal, but tells almost nothing about her actual work during the war (this is something I tried to include, but Gitz666 repeatedly removed "per WP:ONUS"). If it helps, I can voluntarily stop editing the page about Denisova for a couple of months. My very best wishes (talk) 08:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC) @Dennis Brown:. Thank you, I got your point. No more reverts. A consensus is needed for including this or any other content. OK. But the consensus building may take a lot of effort, depending on the subject and participants. If I feel it takes too much effort, I will simply edit something else. There is nothing so exceptional about this subject. My very best wishes (talk) 19:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC) Statement by GizzyCatBellaThis appears to be yet another content disagreement brought to AE. Sorry Gitz6666, you would like to know if MBVW violated this.. and that and that.. and something else? (!?) If you don’t know what has been violated, what are you doing here? Perhaps you should study our rules first or ask elsewhere? - GizzyCatBella🍁 09:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Statement by AquillionThe "remove on sight" aspects of WP:BLP apply to negative material - stuff that is potentially defamatory or harmful. It's hard to see how this could harm the reputation of the subject or any other living person, so there's no good-faith BLP objection and WP:BLPDS doesn't apply. That doesn't mean it should necessarily stay, of course, or that it was a good idea to repeatedly restore a WP:BOLD addition, but it's not a matter for AE. --Aquillion (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning My very best wishes
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SPECIFICO
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- NadVolum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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- SPECIFICO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Discretionary sanctions as described on the talk page under WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES
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- 6 August 2022 I undid a recent edit removing a lot of text in Julian Assange which had been there for a very long time. In accord with the active sanctions on that page my undo should not be reverted straight away without consensus. SPECIFICO knows this - he quotes the active remedies in the edit comment! NadVolum (talk) 23:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date 17 August 2021. Is this what you mean, an example of them telling others about the discretionary sanctions?
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Sorry I'm having problems with this form. The remedy instructions and exemptions says to report immediately here. SPECIFICO quite often reverts other peoples edits and then stop anyone putting in the change unless there's been extensive discussions or an RfC establishing clear consensus against them.
- There's no BLP issue. Neither the person who originally removed it nor SPECIFICO said there was a BLP issue. It has been there for a long time. NadVolum (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
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Comment by GoodDay
Which Arbcom case, is being requested to enforce? GoodDay (talk) 12:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Aquillion
Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation... per WP:BLPRESTORE, in situations where BLP does apply, the default when there is a conflict over BLP-sensitive material is to leave it out, not in. This is a specific exception to the usual WP:BRD procedure and the way we handle WP:NOCON situations. In order to restore the text in question you would have to argue that it is not BLP sensitive or that there is an existing consensus for it, and even then, one revert removing it wouldn't normally be WP:AE-worthy. The "teeth" of WP:BLPDS - the stuff that calls for an immediate AE action even from one or two bad edits - is intended for things that could potentially harm the reputation of article's subject. --Aquillion (talk) 12:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Mr Ernie
That isn't how it works and SPECIFICO knows it, as they were topic banned about two years ago for almost the exact same thing.. An editor removed long standing text (which implies it had consensus to be there), NadVolum reverts it back in, and SPECIFICO reverts it back out insisting on a new consensus. If SPECIFICO's edit summary was valid, it would give editors license to revert stuff they don't like out of controversial articles and require new, fresh discussions to find consensus for it to go back in, regardless of how longstanding it was. Mr Ernie (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Statement by NadVolum
In response to Aquillon, there is no BLP issue. Neither the person who originally removed the text nor SPECIFICO said there was a BLP issue and it has been around for a long time. In the discussion by the original person on the talk page Talk:Julian_Assange#Why_list_things_Assange_wasnt_actively_involved_in? you can see they talked about why if this was okay wasn't it okay to list all the major scandals and criticisms of Wikileaks too and I pointed to WP:BLPPUBLIC for that. They said at the end of the back and forth that their problem was bloat - which I can sympathize with to some extent but this is not the way to deal with that. NadVolum (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
In response to Gooday, I was following the instructions on the talk page under "WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES"
- Violations of any of these restrictions should be reported immediately to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard.
- Editors who are aware of discretionary sanctions in this topic area and who violate these restrictions may be sanctioned by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense.
So that's what I did. It isn't as if SPECIFICO hasn't removed new text and warned people against adding it again and often an RfC is needed to establsh consensus before it can be put in. I think I'd prefer it left the way it was before and any discussion be about removing the long standing text instead. NadVolum (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
In reponse to Mr Ernie. It sounds a bit in what you say like I was involved in that previous discussion. I wasn't and didn't even know abot that. I looked up SPECIFICO's log when raising this and I didn't see anything about it. NadVolum (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
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Result concerning SPECIFICO
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- @NadVolum: please specify the remedy to be enforced or I will close this thread --Guerillero Parlez Moi 19:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Kendall Clarks
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- Supreme Deliciousness (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Kendall Clarks (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Users that edit Arab-Israeli content must have 500 edits, this user does not, in the following diffs he is editing A-I content:
- [46] 6 August
- [47] 15 July
- [48] 15 July
- [49] 15 July
- [50] 15 July
- [51] 15 July
- [52] 15 July
- [53] 14 July
- [54] 29 June
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Was told at his talkpage by two separate users that he is not allowed to edit A-I content:[55] yet he has now continued to do so after previously violating the 500/30 rule and also violated the 1rr and 3rr in July.
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