Citation formatting (wikipedia specific)
How is it that some users create citations with this format <ref name="xyz">[https://www.theurl.com whatever the title is]. ''[[the website]]''. 20 April 2022.</ref> ?
I use a mix of source editor and visual editor but my citations always come out like this <ref name-"xyz">{{Cite web |last=schmoe |first=Joe |date=2022-04-19 |title=the article's title |url=https://www.blahblah.com/help |access-date=2022-04-20 |website=Blah blah |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220420185212/https://www.blahblah.com/help |archive-date=2022-04-20 |language=en-US}}</ref>
I'm curious because I've gone to add archived urls or author information to these citations and ended up rewriting the citation in the format I know because with the first example, I just don't know where I should insert the author name or archive url or other stuff like that. I looked around at the guides on citation tools and couldn't find anything. Didn't look like it's a result of any of the gadgets I could find either (though I think I'm really starting to like ProveIt). Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 21:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jasonkwe: It's just two different ways of citing sources. You can read about the shorter format at Wikipedia:Citing sources#Links and ID numbers. I prefer the full citations myself, like Template:Cite web. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:56, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtempleton Ahhh, I did not see that. Thanks! Is there some kind of editor that does use this format? I wondered if others still use this format because it's the default used in some gadgets...? It just seemed strange because I never saw any instruction on how to use that format (until now) and don't know how else you could implement it other than remembering the exact syntax to use (which would be tedious to say the least).
- But I agree, I do prefer full citations as well. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 22:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jasonkwe: I keep a file with helpful links, and I include a dummy filled out cite web citation that I just cut and paste when I need it. I usually keep it simple with just title, url, website, accessdate and date. Others include the first and last name of the writer(s) and other fields. The goal for filling out sources well is twofold - to allow others to confirm the source says what the person adding it says it does, and if the link is ever broken because a web site reorganizes, there should be enough info to allow others to find the new link to prevent link rot. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Jasonkwe! The first format you're referencing is an older format. The {{Cite web}} format (WP:CS1) is preferred by most modern editors and tools because it keeps track of the metadata better, but you'll come across the older one in articles/tools that haven't been updated in a while. Because of WP:CITEVAR, the first format isn't wrong per se, but in practical terms you can generally convert it to CS1. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 16:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Sdkb Got it, thanks! Yeah, I got the impression it was an older system but I was surprised when I saw it still being used recently to add sources that are from the past two years. *shrug But we're all creatures of habit. Because of citevar and the general "follow the existing format in use" guideline, I don't go changing those citations willy nilly just for the heck of it. But when I want to add an archive link or the author or other info, I'm not 100% sure how to format within the older system so I often end up converting to the CS1 style. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 16:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Jasonkwe! The first format you're referencing is an older format. The {{Cite web}} format (WP:CS1) is preferred by most modern editors and tools because it keeps track of the metadata better, but you'll come across the older one in articles/tools that haven't been updated in a while. Because of WP:CITEVAR, the first format isn't wrong per se, but in practical terms you can generally convert it to CS1. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 16:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jasonkwe: I keep a file with helpful links, and I include a dummy filled out cite web citation that I just cut and paste when I need it. I usually keep it simple with just title, url, website, accessdate and date. Others include the first and last name of the writer(s) and other fields. The goal for filling out sources well is twofold - to allow others to confirm the source says what the person adding it says it does, and if the link is ever broken because a web site reorganizes, there should be enough info to allow others to find the new link to prevent link rot. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jasonkwe:, here are a couple of other tips:
- If you happen to be citing a source available at a google books url, then click 'Generate citation' in the left sidebar and paste the url into the top box.
- Use the Wikipedia:reFill tool to convert a bare url to a full citation.
- Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 14:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mathglot Thank you! For books I was generally using ISBN but I had to try to make sure I used the same version of the text if the previous editor had specified pages. I did not know about reFill, though, and will check it out! Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 16:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jasonkwe: You have good instincts about double-checking if they used
|pages=
, but actually you'd have to check anyway even if they didn't: a new edition generally means changed content (it's just a "reprint" otherwise), and a different edition might not have the text that the other editor found to attributed their content. So either way, you should check. By the way, for finding multiple editions, WorldCat (which sits behind the|oclc=
values) is tops; they're also the go-to solution for finding the nearest library to you that has a certain book: worldcat.org. (My "closest" library was once 12,000 km away for some really rare item, but at least I knew who had it!) Best, Mathglot (talk) 20:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jasonkwe: You have good instincts about double-checking if they used
- @Mathglot Thank you! For books I was generally using ISBN but I had to try to make sure I used the same version of the text if the previous editor had specified pages. I did not know about reFill, though, and will check it out! Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 16:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Updating my organisation's page
My organisation is looking to update our page to reflect operations and research, but we understand that this may be conflict of interest for us to do so. Is there best practice available to help with this, or should we use the request an edit function? JackHRUSI (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for asking, JackHRUSI. On Talk:Royal United Services Institute, please make specific suggestions/requests for the article. After a week, if you've still got no response, go to the talk page of any one of the "WikiProjects" advertised at the top of that talk page and invite readers to go to Talk:Royal United Services Institute and consider those suggestions/requests of yours. -- Hoary (talk) 11:57, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, JackHRUSI. I see that you have declared your COI on your user page: thank you. As Media Manager, I suspect that you have more than a conflict of interest, but that you count as a paid editor: if so, it is mandatory to declare that.
- To add to what Hoary said, if you tag your requests as edit requests, they'll be put on a list that some editors keep an eye on.
- Please see the links I have included, for more details on both points. ColinFine (talk) 15:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Oops: Submitted Article by copy/paste
In my Sandbox, I've been working on an article on English writer Lettice D'Oyly Walters for over a week now and was extremely confused about how to put it into the main space for editing. I read somewhere that you should click on a link from a space that listed the article needing creation; that gave me a blank page. I copied and pasted the article from my sandbox onto that blank page and then worked out that I had to do "move." Worried that the article will be rejected because there's no edit history, which is apparently all in my sandbox?? I'm a new editor, so sorry about the mistakes--any advice welcome!! @Treesiati Treesiati (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Treesiati It looks as though others have sorted this out and the article now appears in Mainspace, as your link above points to. So well done for creating a nice piece of work! Why not try submitting it for a WP:DYK next (see that link) and get something on the Main Page in due course? Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- For the avoidance of doubt (as lawyers say) it is possible that the new pages patrol could check the article and conclude it should not have been placed directly in Mainspace but in my opinion it is perfectly fine and has already been edited there by experienced editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Treesiati. The best method would have been to move your sandbox directly into an encyclopedia article. The intermediate step was not necessary, but no harm has been done. Your article is better than what the vast majority of new editors come up with, so thank you. I have done some minor edits to it. Cullen328 (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull Thank you for your advice. Treesiati (talk) 18:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- For the avoidance of doubt (as lawyers say) it is possible that the new pages patrol could check the article and conclude it should not have been placed directly in Mainspace but in my opinion it is perfectly fine and has already been edited there by experienced editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Possible content/article dispute
I and Lockejava are having a content/article dispute over whether to disambiguate a currently-bloated article which has a section compliant with WP:GNG, WP:V, WP:OR needs to spin-out to a separate standalone article. What is the dispute, you may ask!
There was this page move by Bianca Anne Martins from "Barbie (film series)" to "Barbie (franchise)" and this page move by TheFallenPower from "Barbie (franchise)" to "Barbie (film franchise)". I invoked a successful requested single-page move back to the second title since this article link already covers the topic's main history and this article link talks about the non-media components related to the topic. I guess I will have to move fast before confusion becomes an edit war because the general "Barbie" topic remained dispute-free before 2017.
I have started an RFC so this will soon enough, I've remedied half of this confusion and I'm requesting assistance for a total wipeout of this dispute because I want this topic not to require any page protection. Thanks. Intrisit (talk) 16:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Intrisit, with very few exceptions, you should not attempt to correct other folks' talk page posts. I've reverted your changes above. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Intrisit, I assume no one else has replied because you didn't ask any obvious question. You haven't actually started an RfC anywhere; you requested a move, and the request was subsequently closed. More discussion is taking place further down the talk page, but you haven't participated. I recommend posting in that new discussion and outlining your arguments there if you disagree with the current article title. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I was afraid of even starting any RfC at all anywhere because you or any other Wikipedian will request blocking of my account all in the name of the love I have for that topic. I wasn't expecting any answer to a question I'm unsure now whether I did pose or not. My dispute is with the treatment of the content of that topic. Intrisit (talk) 10:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Did I create a Wikipedia or a Wiki page? Is there a difference?
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I wanted to create a Wikipedia page for Andrew Freese. Now it says I created a draft for Andrew Freese WIKI. Is that the same thing, or did I create something that is not a Wikipedia page? Here is the link relevant to my question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andrew_Freese_WIKI Dougie80 (talk) 20:56, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Already asked at the Help desk - please do not ask questions in multiple places - Arjayay (talk) 20:57, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's a draft at Draft:Andrew Freese. Declined for want of good references. Wikipedia prefers "articles." David notMD (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to Wikipedia:Help desk § New article
- Mathglot (talk) 10:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's a draft at Draft:Andrew Freese. Declined for want of good references. Wikipedia prefers "articles." David notMD (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Changing dead name
I am trying to change the web address for my Wikipedia entry. My dead name is Adam Fitzgerald, and since my transition my legal name is The Friend. I use they/them pronouns. Someone was able to change the opening page entry but I’m confused how to do more! Thanks!
Adam Fitzgerald 68.132.152.247 (talk) 20:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, there would need to be a reliable source reporting on the name change. Wikipedia cannot simply accept the word of an anonymous IP. Is it safe to assume the edits made by 2601:6C0:8001:F550:0:0:0:F798 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) was also you? It is obviously technically possible to rename the article, but without sources it should not be done.
- You have understand, Wikipedia needs to consider the possibility that this is a trolling attempt.
- If you are indeed the subject of the article, perhaps a good place to start would be to get your employer to change their biography page for you. While it would be a primary source it might be good enough to get the article title changed.
- Lastly, I hope you don't expect your dead name to completely disappear from the article as you became notable as Adam Fitzgerald and there are published works with that name. See MOS:DEADNAME for more information.
- I hope that helps. Cheers, SVTCobra 21:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, The Friend, and welcome to the Teahouse. If Adam Fitzgerald is about you, then you should not be editing it, but should only be making edit requests on the article's talk page. We require a reliable published source to the fact that you have changed your name - and if the bulk of independent sources still refer to you as Adam Fitzgerald, then that's what the article should do, according to our policy of WP:COMMONNAME.
- However, I am dubious whether you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - certainly the article at present does not establish that you do - so unless somebody finds the necessary independent sources about you, the article will is liable to be deleted. ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Greetings, and welcome to the Teahouse. Is there a reference to an independent reliable source documenting the transition and/or the name change? We of course want to be respectful of pronouns and all else surrounding the transition, but we also want to be careful that all information in the article is properly sourced. (In my editing career, I've run into an issue where the subject of an article was very notable under their deadname and had received some coverage under their current name, but where the reliable sourcing for connecting the two was lacking until quite a few months after the fact.) We want to get it right both factually and procedurally if we can, so a third-party source for the change would be ideal. Let me know if you have further questions. Thanks. --Finngall talk 21:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Googling "Adam Fitzgerald" "The Friend" brings up nothing that seems to mention this. valereee (talk) 22:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Help on American Football draft
I would like to ask y'all if you can help me on my draft's introduction, as well as the logo for the championship, the logos for the teams, the trophy, and the tournament bracket picture. Here are the links for all the aforementioned items:
- Bracket:https://www.a7fl.com/2022/06/26/a7fl-2022-championship-is-set-paterson-u-and-trenton-bic-rematch-july-10th-it-is/
- Trophy:https://www.a7fl.com/2022/07/13/2022-a7fl-championship-game-recap/
- Logo for championship:https://www.a7fl.com/2022/06/26/a7fl-2022-championship-is-set-paterson-u-and-trenton-bic-rematch-july-10th-it-is/
- Logo for Trenton BIC:https://www.a7fl.com/team/nj-bic/
- Logo for Paterson U:https://www.a7fl.com/team/nj-paterson-u/
Sportsfangnome (talk) 02:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Also on a unrelated note, I noticed that for some reason in categories, it says 21st-century Nigerian actresses. Is that supposed to happen? Sportsfangnome (talk) 02:05, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- On a second unrelated note, for the Barnstars, the American football Barnstar is titled as, "The Badminton Barnstar." Sportsfangnome (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Sportsfangnome: Not sure how that happened, I've fixed it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! Sportsfangnome (talk) 05:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Sportsfangnome: Not sure how that happened, I've fixed it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- For the article:Wikipedia:Barnstars, not when you give it to someone. Sportsfangnome (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- On the first related note, it got deleted, so ignore that. Sportsfangnome (talk) 12:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- On a second unrelated note, for the Barnstars, the American football Barnstar is titled as, "The Badminton Barnstar." Sportsfangnome (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:El_Hitta
Draft:El Hitta Mrwriterman11 (talk) 03:53, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mrwriterman11 What's your question? I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 04:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- My apologies, I originally assumed that posting the topic would initiate the live-chatroom sequence. I was asking for someone to review this publication as I'm trying to get into writing and updating relevant information about musical artists I am a fan an supporter of :) Mrwriterman11 (talk) 05:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- For Draft:El Hitta, it is currently an unsubmitted draft. After you submit it, it will go into the backlog of submitted drafts. The system is not a queue, so could be days, weeks, or sadly, months before a reviewer decides to review and then accept or decline. If declined, you can improve the draft and submit again. David notMD (talk) 10:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Mrwriterman11, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks to me as if you have only one independent source - The Chicago Reader review. Without more such. your draft will not meet the criteria of notability. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 10:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. Teahouse is not live-chat. Volunteer hosts log in when they feel like it. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Mrwriterman11, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks to me as if you have only one independent source - The Chicago Reader review. Without more such. your draft will not meet the criteria of notability. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 10:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- For Draft:El Hitta, it is currently an unsubmitted draft. After you submit it, it will go into the backlog of submitted drafts. The system is not a queue, so could be days, weeks, or sadly, months before a reviewer decides to review and then accept or decline. If declined, you can improve the draft and submit again. David notMD (talk) 10:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- My apologies, I originally assumed that posting the topic would initiate the live-chatroom sequence. I was asking for someone to review this publication as I'm trying to get into writing and updating relevant information about musical artists I am a fan an supporter of :) Mrwriterman11 (talk) 05:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Nova Scotia, dispute resolution, & lack of internet access
A recent dispute has been brought to the DRN about the Nova Scotia page. It has since been closed due to my inability to access a computer with working internet for days at a time, a situation still occurring. There have been attempts to discuss this on the Talk page, but the discussion is not progressing any further as it is the same three people stuck on the same arguments. Thus, the goal of bringing it to the DRN. I guess the question is: Help! How can this proceed?
How can additional voices and perspectives be garnered? How can the dispute be resolved when the primary person has intermittent internet access?
There have been two other users who have indicated that they support my perspective, and I truly believe I am sourcing, citing, and writing properly according to Wikipedia standards.. it is just simply too few (active) voices / users / perspectives to truly judge the dispute fairly. Especially those with knowledge of the issue; especially those less burdened by cultural biases about the topic (aka difficulties between Canadian topics, Indigenous histories, and US American perspectives on both). Danachos (talk) 04:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Danachos, you took this to DRN. That was concluded with "So if there are content issues, discuss them on the article talk page, Talk:Nova Scotia. That's what article talk pages are for." You thereupon took it there. If you're frustrated by the failure of any fourth person to join the discussion, you might advertise the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nova Scotia (as the more specific of the two Wikiprojects advertised on Talk:Nova Scotia). But don't attempt to move the discussion elsewhere, to start a parallel discussion elsewhere, or to advertise the discussion to any person or group you know is likely to have this or that opinion on the matter. As for the lack of internet access, this problem isn't a rare one. Just say that such problems are likely to prevent you from responding as quickly as you'd like to. -- Hoary (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Adding informative content to Wikipedia
Hi everyone, I've recently added a reference on this page Clambake, someone attacked me rather harshly, threatening of blocking me from editing. Claiming that I've created an ad. However this was not my intention at all. I've only noticed that the references on that clambake page were irrelevant to the topic. Especially the first one it doesn't have any content related to clambakes. How's that relevant?
So since the page that I've posted has articles on the traditional New England Clambake including history and locations, I felt this is what a reader would like to see on the Clambake page, something relevant and informative. Please let me know what you guys think, looking forward to hear your thoughts. Tancredileone (talk) 07:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think that the link you added was blatant advertising, and was properly removed. The reference you complain of was no better; I have removed that too. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Your attempt to add a link to a business is not allowed, and it was appropriate that you were warned on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 10:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with the comments above. Your disparaging tone in talk page discussions is unwelcome, and insulting other longtime and trusted contributors gets new editors like yourself off to poor start. Gaining the negative attention of three administrators with only one mainspace edit is quite impressive, but not for any good reason. BusterD (talk) 17:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Your attempt to add a link to a business is not allowed, and it was appropriate that you were warned on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 10:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Tancredileone: you have several recent messages at your User talk page. If you plan to continue editing at Wikipedia, and I hope you do, then you should consider responding to some of them. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Someone Made A Biased Page
Dear fellow wiki users,
A page I was going to edit has some very biased language. Do I request to get it taken down or do I completely re format it myself? If some people would like to band together with me to re-write it id love that! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bharat_Singh_Naruka&gesuggestededit=1
Thanks! From Chicken256 Chicken256 (talk) 07:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
The page appears to be at Draft:Bharat Singh Naruka. --Bduke (talk) 08:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I moved it to draft it clearly wasn't ready for main space. Theroadislong (talk) 08:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed and it says "This is a draft Articles for creation (AfC) submission. It is not currently pending review. There are no deadlines as long as you are actively improving the submission. Drafts not being improved may be deleted after six months.", so let us leave it and see whether it is improved. --Bduke (talk) 08:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Picture
How do I load a picture Murillo5oh (talk) 08:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Murillo5oh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Information on uploading images can be found at WP:UPIMAGE. It is much, much easier if you took the image you wish to upload yourself with your own camera. You must be autoconfirmed to upload images yourself, if not, you may work with someone to upload an image at Files For Upload. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Minneapolis Aquatennial
"Minneapolis celebrated its centennial in 1956 in conjunction with the Aquatennial. The city's sesquicentennial was July 18–27, 2008, the year Minnesota celebrated 150 years of statehood." The above sentence excerpted from the above page has an error in one of the dates mentioned. If the centennial occurred in 1956, then the sesquicentennial could not have occurred in 2008; else if 2008 is the correct year of the sesquicentennial, then the centennial appears to have been celebrated two years too early in 1956. Obviously one of the two dates is wrong. Could this error be corrected? 2601:446:C301:BE40:38E2:487E:D6C5:13CE (talk) 12:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello IP editor. Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for your concern to correct errors. It would be appropriate for you to post your concerns directly at the article's talk page (see Talk:Minneapolis Aquatennial), rather than here. And, if you wish, to absolutely ensure you draw attention of editors interested in fixing these things (to what might otherwise be a not-very-well-visited article), you could make your post into an 'edit request' by following instructions at WP:EDITREQUEST. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- According to History of Minneapolis "The Minnesota Territorial Legislature recognized Saint Anthony as a town in 1855 and Minneapolis in 1856. Boundaries were changed and Minneapolis was incorporated as a city in 1867. That would confirm 1956 as the centennial year. David notMD (talk) 14:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Walkway Over the Hudson article, New additions section
Hello. Having a problem here. Go to Walkway Over the Hudson, New additions section, last paragraph about the East Gate Plaza opening. I cant get the source to go to its proper url, the Walkway over the Hudson website article about the opening of the facility. Please note and correct. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 14:57, 20 July 2022 (UTC) Theairportman33531 (talk) 14:57, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Theairportman33531 I tried the link and it goes to the correct URL but the error message says the website is currently down for maintenance. You could check if this is still the case in a few days (and/or hope that the Wayback Machine has a capture). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- That was the elevator, not the website itself. I cant figure out what the problem is here. Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:17, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, Theairportman33531, my bad! I found a link that works by browsing around the working website. Try this link instead. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Found a link to the article. Thank you for your help today. Theairportman33531 (talk) 01:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, Theairportman33531, my bad! I found a link that works by browsing around the working website. Try this link instead. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- That was the elevator, not the website itself. I cant figure out what the problem is here. Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:17, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Strange template creation glitch
It appears when I created Template:Ford Mustang Generations, copying from Template:IPad models. look how It came out. I copy and pasted the bottom and switched a little. TERGY 15:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- TERGY I fixed the issues, check my edit. You forgot to add closing double curly brackets ("}}") and a pipe after the flatlist ("|"). I think it works now. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 15:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TERGY 16:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Trying to print
Trying to print something off wlkpedia but it says save instead of print how do I return it to print 2601:6C4:C180:1310:A00A:AF0C:1078:9FC8 (talk) 15:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi IP user. First off make sure that you are asking a question in a new section (To do this click "New Section") at the top of the page. I'd recommend first clicking the "Save as PDF" button at the sidebar and then print it off with your computer's print software, instead of using Wikipedia's or your web browser's. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 16:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Draft:code2God
I would like feedback on a stub article prior to submission a review by peers. Deanna Coakley (talk) 15:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Assuming the article is this one in your sandbox, I think that its chances of being accepted are close to zero. It seems to be based entirely on press releases and other WP:PRIMARY sources, which don't establish the notability of the organisation. A minor point is that the reference titles should use sentence case, not the SHOUTY all-caps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed. Please note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Can I get a WikiTable's Caption Text to appear in the page's Contents list?
Hi
In this page, using the first image of a table as an example, I'd like the 'Caption text' of two tables to act as a section (sub?) headers so that they appear in the page's content list.
In the page I'm creating I'd like to have a section header (==Section Header==) with the tables directly beneath & listed as X.1 Caption Text One, X.2 Caption Text Two in the contents.
Is this possible? Dave F63 (talk) 18:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dave F63 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That's a really interesting question, but not one that I think is possible to achieve. TBH: it might not even be desirable. A table probably ought to be introduced in some way by at least a single sentence. And a table heading might often need to be a little longer than a section heading should ever be. But there's nothing to stop you using what would have been the table header text as the section header text, and repeating it as the table header. I don't think that is at all ideal, so maybe a slightly different table text would be appropriate. But providing it works and doesn't confuse the reader it might be acceptable. It would depend upon circumstances and you've not given us a real example of what you were thinking for us to look at. It certainly wouldn't work for the example you've provided, and I hope you can see why. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would be providing an introduction under the section header, just above the first table. I want to provide a link to the second table for those returning to the page who just wish to reference the second tables contents. Unsure how to provide an example when I'm unable to create one. Dave F63 (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dave F63 You could perhaps explain the type of article and type of content going in each table. We might then be able to link to some existing articles - or you could provide a link to something you would like to emulate. As you don't appear to have anything drafted in your sandbox, it's very hard to comment further or spend time creating demos for you. (You could always offer the 'hide' option to collapse a table after it has initially displayed.) I used that approach at Mont Blanc massif with contains long lists of summits and glaciers, and also here.
- But, to be honest, this kind of thing comes way down the list of priorities if you're working on a new article, where WP:N and WP:RS are of greatest importance. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dave F63: In case you don't know, you can make subsections like
===Subsection A===
and===Subsection B===
. Then "Subsection A" and "Subsection B" will appear in the table of contents. See more at Help:Section. You can also use Template:Anchor#Use in tables to make it possible to link directly to a table, but it will not be in the table of contents. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dave F63: In case you don't know, you can make subsections like
- I would be providing an introduction under the section header, just above the first table. I want to provide a link to the second table for those returning to the page who just wish to reference the second tables contents. Unsure how to provide an example when I'm unable to create one. Dave F63 (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Zopherus jourdani redirect
The page for Zopherus jourdani currently redirects to the page for its genus, Zopherus. That page contains no information about the species except in a list of species in the genus. Can I change the Zopherus jourdani page into an article on the topic now, or should I follow the instructions at the page: "If the redirected subtopic could potentially have its own article in the future, then also tag the redirect with {{R with possibilities}} and {{R printworthy}}"?
Thank-you,
." Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Edward-Woodrow: You should probably tag the redirect for now, and consider coming back to write the article when you're more familiar with Wikipedia. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 20:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, Thank-you. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
G. Adani and the Groups
The pages on Wikipedia show Adani as a billionaire philanthropist. What about the fact that he and his companies are trampling on peoples rights, green washing and adding to peoples' misery in Bangladesh and India and that his companies have made billions contributing to climate change? Cattail7318 (talk) 21:04, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Cattail7318 If you can find reliable sources to back that up (that is, not tweets, blogs, interviews or opinion pieces, but sources that have had an editor go through them), you can add the information yourself. If no reliable sources exist, you can't, particularly since I assume Adani is alive. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 21:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Gautam Adani, Adani Group and Adani Enterprises are the articles. David notMD (talk) 21:43, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Please draftify my accidental mainspace creation Picrolite
Greetings, I have accidentally created the article Picrolite in mainspace that was supposed to be a draft (too little sleep, didn't notice until afterwards -.-). Could someone kindly move it to draft space? And, ideally, tell me how to do it myself in the future? I've tried to look around but can't find the instructions atm... Cheers, -- LordPeterII (talk) 22:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I moved it for you, but you can also do it yourself by selection move -> draft:name from the drop down menu. PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Praxidicae: Ah right! I see it now. Thanks, next time I'll be able to do it myself :) --LordPeterII (talk) 09:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Biography
I have content ready for a biography of a close friend but unsure how to proceed. I have based the content on a similar page but unsure how to achieve same look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Harvey Is there a template for biography's? Semico1 (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Semico1, once you have content which is suitable for a Wikipedia article, other editors will be glad to help you format it into a standard Wikipedia "look".
- However, as a close friend of Harvey, you have a conflict of interest which needs to be declared before you edit further.
- Also (and most important), your article has been based on Harvey's autobiography, which is not a reliable source. You must find reliable, independent, published sources which discuss him in depth. Two or three such sources are required to establish your subject's notability as a musician.
- Please also read how to cite your sources as footnotes, so that they will count as the requisite reliable sources. Good luck.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Semico1 I believe Quisqualis misunderstood your initial statement. Is your mention of Richard Harvey meant as an model for your intended new draft? So yes, the sections in that article and other articles about performers are often used. Q's mention of a need to declare your conflict of interest on your Use page is correct. This does not preclude you creating a draft via the guidelines in WP:YFA and then submitting it to Articles for Creation for review. Verify what you know about your friend with references. Keep in mind the need to maintain a neutral point of view (WP:NPOV). Good luck. Ask here is you get stuck.
- When looking to how to format your draft, go to any article - such as Richard Harvey - and click on Edit at the top. As you scan down, you will see how section titles are made, and how references are embedded in the text. Those refs are then automatically numbered and out in the References section. David notMD (talk) 08:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi David, this is what I'm working on and not sure if it's being published.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Richard_Harvey_(Drummer) Semico1 (talk) 04:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Semico1 There is an article about Richard Harvey, a musician. You wrote a draft about a different musician named Richard Harvey? Ok. I can tell you that writing "at the tender age of 12" and "big acts of the time" and "the likes of" and "kept up his passion for drumming" are not phrases you would find in an encyclopedia. (Why do so many people want to use "the likes of"?)
- The draft needs inline citations for every assertion (or every assertion that could possibly be challenged) so that any reader can verify the contents. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Semico1, the other major problem with your draft is that it has zero independent, secondary, reliable sources with significant coverage of drummer Richard Harvey, so it does not demonstrate that he meets WP:NMUSIC. You have one article that's mostly about the Divinyls (with no significant coverage of Harvey), his autobiography (not independent), and a couple of database sites (not significant coverage, and note that discogs is considered generally unreliable because its content is user generated). Unless you can find better sources, your draft will not be accepted. 174.21.19.94 (talk) 12:34, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Semico1 I believe Quisqualis misunderstood your initial statement. Is your mention of Richard Harvey meant as an model for your intended new draft? So yes, the sections in that article and other articles about performers are often used. Q's mention of a need to declare your conflict of interest on your Use page is correct. This does not preclude you creating a draft via the guidelines in WP:YFA and then submitting it to Articles for Creation for review. Verify what you know about your friend with references. Keep in mind the need to maintain a neutral point of view (WP:NPOV). Good luck. Ask here is you get stuck.
- Hello, Semico1, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- Please bear in mind that the layout and appearance of an article, while important, is a superficial matter that can relatively easily be corrected. It is the more-or-less hidden framework underneath - the reliable independent sources - that are the important bit, in the sense that if they are not there, the article will not be accepted. It's a bit like saying "I'm building a house. I've modelled it on that one over there" without surveying the site or building any foundations. ColinFine (talk) 14:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Silly question
I have a gift from my young nephew, an old iPad of his but I am embarrassed that I can’t thank him for it on line because I can find my email on this iPad. How can I get to it easily? All I seem to get is the camera platform. 2601:640:8300:F140:B973:B0AB:53AB:A62B (talk) 22:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- In case you don't know, you need to already have an email account with an email address. If you can use a browser to access your email then look for the Safari icon . Safari (web browser) is the browser on an iPad. If you only use a non-browser email program then your email service probably also has a browser interface. Try entering the part after @ in your email address as a website in a browser. It's harder to set up email on an iPad without using the browser (but may be easier to use when it works) . PrimeHunter (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion
My page was cited for speedy deletion. How do you post a company page on Wikipedia? I've seen it done before - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versasec
I'm not sure the best way to go about this. Onspring No Code (talk) 23:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Onspring
- @Onspring No Code: What is your connexion to Onspring? (Note that we don't accept usernames as disclosure.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not a member of the company, but consult for them. Onspring No Code (talk) 23:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- A distinction without a difference. You are obligated to formally disclose this; see WP:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 23:25, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thank you. I wasn't sure, so will do so now. Onspring No Code (talk) 23:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not a member of the company, but consult for them. Onspring No Code (talk) 23:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no such thing as "a company page on Wikipedia" in the sense that you mean it. There are articles about notable companies. These do not belong to their subject, are not controlled by their subject, are ideally not created by their's subject's employees or representatives, and in general should be based almost entirely on what independent commentators have published about their subject (good and bad) and not on what the subject says or wants to say. ColinFine (talk) 14:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Notability clarity requested
I don't get the notability requirements. I read the page, and it states a standard with the caveat that those standards may or may not be followed. Moreover, Wikipedias idea of notability or "interesting" is subjective at best, and an appeal to popularity fallacy at worst.
Within my first few edits I was on pages that were highly promotional, with blog posts as sources. Now, I'm not about to claim those pages aren't "notable". But it's contradictory to what the guidelines say. How do these pages get by, yet I've read about other similar pages that got deleted? Look, I'm not trying to deploy cold logic here, but after an hour of trying to be an editor I've seen contradictions, double standards and appeals to XXX fallacies.
The lack of clarity seems to only add problems, and it doesn't seem very efficient. Also, I don't even know where to begin about the idea of "reliable sources". The whole experience I've had screams of powerusers trying to gatekeep an "open" encyclepedia and using doublespeak to obfuscate that reality. I've always liked Wikipedia, but how is it beneficial to decline unique content that isn't found anywhere else? In other words, if we are relying heavily on outside sources, people can just go read those outside sources. They don't need to read it on wikipedia.
TL;DR. Is original thought acceptable on wikipedia, yes or no?
Philo39 (talk) 06:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Philo39: Original thought is not acceptable on Wikipedia.
- I think you have read Wikipedia's idiosyncratic definition of notability. It does not depend on "interesting" or "popularity". You have found some articles which do not meet Wikipedia's standards of notability; certainly, such articles exist. If this bothers you, you can try to find and add better sources to them so as to make them acceptable; and if this appears impossible, you can propose them for deletion. Wikipedia does not accept "unique content that isn't found anywhere else". If you want to publish such content, you should use some other web site. Maproom (talk) 06:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply.
- Arbitrary processes don't bother me, perhaps I had some preconceived notions about what an encyclopedia is supposed to be. In my mind, if an entry is educational, well written, and has a source, that would be good enough. Expecting more than what I described isn't promoting accessibility. Philo39 (talk) 13:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Philo39, what Maproom says, yes. No reason for me to repeat it. [I]f we are relying heavily on outside sources, people can just go read those outside sources. They don't need to read it on wikipedia. There's no "heavily" about it. Entirely. If this were true, Wikipedia would indeed be superfluous. However, many people find it rather useful. It is, of course, very flawed; but where it works well it depends on sources that may not be at all easy to find via Google, that may be in languages that neither you nor I happen to be able to read, or that [warning: shocking notion coming up] are nowhere on the web but instead are from codices that are stocked in libraries (but not in any libraries near where you or I happen to live). Incidentally, fallacies, yes, probably; but you have me stumped with "XXX fallacies". (Fingers crossed that these aren't "triple-X-rated" phalluses.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lol, I mean't XXX as in random appeals that aren't logical. Like appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, appeal to celebrity. I've been taught to critique an argument, or in this case, an article based on the merits of itself, not where it came from. I see now that Wikipedia does things differently. Thanks for clearing that up. Philo39 (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- From your edits, this is your first day. The learning curve is steep, but not impossible to master. English Wikipedia has >6,500,000 articles. Tens of thousands of those do not meet the current standards for referencing, and so should be fixed or deleted. Some have 'tags' at the top identifying weaknesses. Others are low on the quality rating, shown at top of Talk page. You have been dabbling at improving existing articles, which is a better approach than starting by trying to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Philo39 on existing non-notable or lack of sourcing articles, you might have encountered articles written before the notability guidelines are at their current iterations. Many of these articles are typically grandfathered at that iteration of the guidelines when they were written until an interested editor swings by to update the articles to the current standards or file for deletion. There's no double standards here, rather, the application of the standards are done one an article by article basis. For new articles, if you see such content, feel free to improve on them, AfD them, or simply nothing and move on to another interesting article to work on. – robertsky (talk) 08:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Signature
I want to change my current signature at my preferences, but I dont get the instructions there. Goodvibes500 (talk) 06:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Goodvibes500, does WP:FANCYSIG help? Kpddg (talk) 10:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
How To Access The Rules
As a not so confident editor I would like to read through the rules of editing so I can avoid sanctions. I also would like to know how to get recommendations for edits.
thanks guys! GeekyDave (talk) 07:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- GeekyDave, they're linked from Template:Policy list. (You may notice "Ignore all rules" among their "principles". Ignoring all rules is something that only very rarely is carried out successfully; don't think of doing it.) Incidentally, you don't have to be "geeky" to edit the "source", but as somebody calling himself "geeky" you'll surely want to do this. So skip the "visual editor". -- Hoary (talk) 07:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Contributions missing
I made several edits to one page, a biographical one, over the last week. All of those edits were incorporated, as of last night. This morning, none of them are present (they are listed on my contributions page, however). What is going on? Mctaguer (talk) 09:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mctaguer: If you look at your contributions page, or the edit history of the article Lene Rachel Andersen you will see that the contributions were WP:REVERTed as being unsourced. Biographies of living people must follow the guidance at WP:BLP. If you wish to take this further, do so on the Talk Page of the article at Talk:Lene Rachel Andersen. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:50, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Michael. Here's the thing I don't understand-- I updated her entry with two books she's subsequently published. No, there are no in-line citations--they were added to the bilbiography. If those are REQUIREMENTS then why are they not present for her earlier books that are already in the page? I made the additions exactly the same as the earlier entries. Also, I don't where on the Talk: Lene Rachel Andersen link I can actually get help/this directly addressed--I went to it, it's a list, and when I clicked on it and got a standard page. Mctaguer (talk) 11:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mctaguer You did the right thing by going to the Talk Page but the trick is that you need to create a new subsection (a bit like this one in the Teahouse) by clicking on the "New Section" tab at the top. You can write your comments and {{ping}} the editor who reverted you to get a discussion started. This is our standard WP:BRD process, so don't be put off by the revert. Incidentally, you may not be aware as a new editor that your now-deleted contribution is present in the edit history of the article, so is easily retrieved if you can agree by WP:CONSENSUS that it should be included (perhaps with more obvious sourcing). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for all of that. I wasn't so much put off as confused--one of the reverts was a punctuation correction; another was a bibliography entry--neither would seem to require "citation." Mctaguer (talk) 11:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- You added two huge blocks of text without references and two minor grammar entries. Tacyarg reverted all for edits as a batch. And here is a problem - there are large blocks of unreferenced text describing her earlier books, so I image it seemed appropriate for you to do the same. A small example of what you added "The first chapter is a concise-but-thorough big history course..." Is that from you, or from a reliable source published review of the book? Only the latter is valid. Tacyard has continued to deleted unreferenced content from the descriptions of the earlier books. David notMD (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for all of that. I wasn't so much put off as confused--one of the reverts was a punctuation correction; another was a bibliography entry--neither would seem to require "citation." Mctaguer (talk) 11:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mctaguer You did the right thing by going to the Talk Page but the trick is that you need to create a new subsection (a bit like this one in the Teahouse) by clicking on the "New Section" tab at the top. You can write your comments and {{ping}} the editor who reverted you to get a discussion started. This is our standard WP:BRD process, so don't be put off by the revert. Incidentally, you may not be aware as a new editor that your now-deleted contribution is present in the edit history of the article, so is easily retrieved if you can agree by WP:CONSENSUS that it should be included (perhaps with more obvious sourcing). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Michael. Here's the thing I don't understand-- I updated her entry with two books she's subsequently published. No, there are no in-line citations--they were added to the bilbiography. If those are REQUIREMENTS then why are they not present for her earlier books that are already in the page? I made the additions exactly the same as the earlier entries. Also, I don't where on the Talk: Lene Rachel Andersen link I can actually get help/this directly addressed--I went to it, it's a list, and when I clicked on it and got a standard page. Mctaguer (talk) 11:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
dark web,how do i get there?
how do i get on dark web? Casinoman65 (talk) 10:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Casinoman65. The Teahouse is a place to ask for help in editing Wikipedia, not for getting answers to general questions. Nevertheless, you could read our article on the dark web and the Tor browser to get some ideas. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Get in the dark room and open your Web. Dark+Web=Darkweb. DIVINE 12:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- ...on a more serious note, using The Onion Router helps you get there. But please don't ask questions not about Wikipedia here. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 16:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
About Template:Infobox gene
I was reading lactoferrin page, and found something is wrong. At gene ontology of template:Infobox gene, some items are written like "GO:0070122 peptidase activity", "GO:0001948, GO:0016582 protein binding", not like others. What makes this? Hope anyone good at template fix this. --LR0725 (talk) 10:24, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- It seems to be pulling the lower rank IDs from Wikidata (e.g. D:Q14645703). Give me a bit to look at the template. WelpThatWorked (talk) 13:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! LR0725 (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, I posted a fix at Module talk:Infobox gene#Template-protected edit request on 21 July 2022. WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! LR0725 (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
My edit got reverted
It was the >Religious Views> Christianity section of this article. It mentions that Lot offered his daughters for 'rape' which is wrong and and against the topic that the crime of people of Lot was sexual assault, so why would Lot himself offer his daughters for rape. The biblical context too is that he offered his daughters for marriage or just heterosexual sex. I couldn't find a better word for it than 'marriage' (which I edited it to) as I am not a native English speaker, but what I want to correct here is that is he didn't offer his daughters for rape as that is just clearly the wrong word for it. I edited the word from 'rape' to 'marriage' but that was reverted. If marriage is not the right word for it please use your better English to write a different word because at least offering for 'rape' is just completely wrong in this context. Abc148371 (talk) 11:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Abc148371. The teahouse is not really the best venue for this debate about content of the article, which would be better raised at Talk:Sodom and Gomorrah, where you and other interested editors such as Adakiko, who reverted your change, can discuss this, as per the normal WP:BRD cycle. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Babel Boxes
How to add babel boxes as I in our you can do it in wikemedia commons.
thabks GeekyDave (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @GeekyDave, welcome to the Teahouse. Does Wikipedia:Babel help? Justiyaya 18:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Can someone look at this possible edit war?
Hello, I know there is a place to file formal reports of edit wars, but I am not super familiar with the source editor and am a little pressed for time. So if someone could look at this history you can see two users are having a pretty difficult argument and doing opposing reverts. ForksForks (talk) 18:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ForksForks Looks like there's an edit war between Realfakebezalbob and Elmidae. However, it would appear the former editor is adding unsourced content about how to care for fish, and the latter one is reverting it, so I'm not sure if the traditional rules of edit warring apply. People are allowed to remove unsourced content. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 22:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Page View Tracking
Hello, I am wondering how to correctly track page views for pages of individuals with the same name. I noticed when pulling the data for “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ryan_(American_football)” that there was a chunk of mostly missing data from 7/1/2015 to 5/26/2016. After doing some investigating I noticed that his page was moved on 5/27/2016 and that another page “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Ryan” had the missing page view data. I am wondering how to determine what data to combine for other individuals with the same names. Is this only an issue if a page move is noted or is there another way to tell when I will need to combine data? I initially thought I could use massviews to get a breakdown of views across all the pages on the disambiguation page. However when I run massviews for “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Ryan”, the numbers do not add up compared to when I export "Matt Ryan" from the Pageviews analysis. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Pccj1983 (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Draft:International Beauty Industry Awards
Hi lovely Teahouse people!
I'm confused about Draft:International Beauty Industry Awards, which was draftified after being live in mainspace for a bit. There are dozens of other similar awards, many of which are a lot less notable with far fewer references in Category:Makeup awards. I was given a template on my talk page without any explanations. The current draft looks like it's in publishable form with 17 reliable sources as citations. The draftifier deleted some references which were likely not reliable sources, which is fair enough. I believe it's possible to re-publish this if possible? Geodudegolem (talk) 20:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Geodudegolem, it's not the number of references; it's the quality of the best of those references. I clicked on what now happens to be the last-listed reference. It's about the awards, rather than about any one person winning any one of the awards. So far so good. However, it's by the/a company that supplies the shiny things that are handed out to winners. So the company behind the website is, effectively, advertising its own client, presumably in the hope of appealing to potential clients. This is hardly a "reliable" source. Yet what it says isn't devoid of interest. Consider: "There are 50 categories ranging from avant-garde to everyday – celebrating an industry as multifaceted as it’s [sic] Artisans." Fifty categories: I can't see how these could not be mere vanity awards. -- Hoary (talk) 22:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Sport kits
How do you draw sports kits on football clubs/season articles? I've seen a few people on WP:FOOTY talking about "drawing" kits, but I'm not quite sure how it works. If there's a page explaining how to do it, then just send the link and I'll learn it. Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Crystalpalace6810, welcome to the Teahouse. It can be tricky to get right but see Template:Football kit. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will experiment with it in my sandbox.Crystalpalace6810 (talk) 09:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Ned Bittinger
Hello, I am wondering how I can make my article have more of a neutral point of view. It was recently drafted for sounding promotional and not sounding from a neutral point of view. I have read it over and over and to me, it sounds like it is coming from a neutral point of view. Would you please give me your opinions and tell me what I could change.Draft:Ned Bittinger - Wikipedia thanks Spiggotr6 (talk) 22:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Spiggotr6 What's your connection to Ned Bittinger? I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 22:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC) (added words at 22:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC))
- I quote:
- Between the years 1995 and 2002 Ned's books won the following awards: “Rocking Horse Christmas" written by Mary Pope Osborne was chosen by The American Booksellers as their “Pick of the List"; "The Blue and the Gray" written by Eve Bunting was selected by the international Readers Association as their "Teacher's Choice" and by the children of Indiana for their “Hoosiers Young Readers Award"; “The Matzah that Papa Brought Home" by Fran Manushkin, was awarded the Notable Children's Book award by the American Library Association.
- All sourced to (i) this page at "Fine Art and You", and (ii) "SHELDON HOSTS WORKSHOP BY AWARD-WINNING ARTIST". Shelton Chronicle. 1998-06-01. pp. 1–2. He's not "Ned", he's "Bittinger". I don't see how their his books, if they're written by others. (Did he perhaps illustrate them throughout? Or just do their covers?) One source shamelessly offers to promote those who want promotion and is multiply cited in this draft. Having been published as early as 1998, the other predates some of these claims. (And is it about Sheldon, or Shelton?) -- Hoary (talk) 22:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies for my laziness. "Shelton". Meanwhile, that other, multiply-cited source says of itself: What you need to do? You need to send us the pictures of your art works and your biography, preferably which should be near about 500 words or more, so that you get a very good response from visitors. We will feature you and your art work once your art work gets approved and ITS ABSOLUTELY FREE OF CHARGE. So what are you waiting for?? Looks like this draft is heavily dependent on blurb Bittinger wrote in response to If You are an Artist/Photographer/Gallery and want to get featured or Advertise and want to get global recognition then you are at right place. -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh thanks! I had overlooked that. So, does that mean I should remove all info I got from that cite? Spiggotr6 (talk) 23:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Remove all references to that website. For every assertion that's now unreferenced, decide if it's worth the effort of referencing. If it isn't, delete it. If it is worth referencing, find a good reference for it. If you try to find a good reference for an assertion but fail, delete the assertion. And check the quality of the other references too. -- Hoary (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- alright I am working on that now, and thanks so much for your help. Spiggotr6 (talk) 23:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Was there anything else that you would have considered to not be in a neutral point of view. Spiggotr6 (talk) 23:24, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Frankly, Spiggotr6, I didn't bother to look, and I don't intend to look: I've already devoted enough time to this draft. Other editors are of course most welcome to add comments. Meanwhile, all the best with your reworking of the draft. -- Hoary (talk) 23:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- User:Spiggotr6 - You created the draft in April 2022 and moved it to article space in May 2022. It was moved back to draft space by User:DoubleGrazing, but then you moved it to back to article space. It was then moved back to draft space again by User:MrsSnoozyTurtle. Did you ask either of the reviewers why they thought it was not ready for article space? MrsSnoozyTurtle tagged it as {{fanpov}} and as {{COI}}. Reviewers often flag a page as having a likely COI if it is blatantly non-neutral, and this was probably such a case. You say that you have no connection with Ned Bittinger. Then you should write as if you are not writing for Ned Bittinger. Sometimes good-faith non-COI writing gets flagged for probably COI simply because inexperienced editors think that they should be enthusiastic about the subject, just like the promotional writing that they have read on commercial web sites. Ask the reviewers why they thought it was not ready for article space, but the issue may have been tone, especially since one of the tags is (correctly) about tone. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Frankly, Spiggotr6, I didn't bother to look, and I don't intend to look: I've already devoted enough time to this draft. Other editors are of course most welcome to add comments. Meanwhile, all the best with your reworking of the draft. -- Hoary (talk) 23:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Remove all references to that website. For every assertion that's now unreferenced, decide if it's worth the effort of referencing. If it isn't, delete it. If it is worth referencing, find a good reference for it. If you try to find a good reference for an assertion but fail, delete the assertion. And check the quality of the other references too. -- Hoary (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh thanks! I had overlooked that. So, does that mean I should remove all info I got from that cite? Spiggotr6 (talk) 23:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
https://wiki.alquds.edu/ - what is this? May be a silly question but wish to know from the veterans.
Hi All, I came across https://wiki.alquds.edu/, and don't have the slightest idea what is this. Looks like Wikipedia, but the URL says alquds.edu? This may be a silly question but I am asking as I could not understand it. Jainsh (talk) 00:39, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think I got it. It was really a silly question. The website seems to have added a subdomain wiki which is linking to Wikipedia. Jainsh (talk) 00:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- It appears to just be a redirect by Al-Quds University to their Wikipedia entry by way of a link from their official site. I have not seen such before, but I don't think it is a problem. SVTCobra 00:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jainsh This looks to be a WP:MIRROR copy of Wikipedia. They can be reported and added to the log of which sites take and repeat Wikipedia content. Just follow the link given. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Splitting page with redirect
Hi. I'm in the process of splitting the Earl article by moving some of it to Jarl (title), which currently redirects to Earl. Do I just copy and paste the text to the redirect or is there more I need to do? I have read Wikipedia:Splitting and understand the steps. My question relates more to whether I can simply copy and paste the new article onto the redirect without having to do anything else to the article history that is already at the redirect? I hope this makes sense. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I guess what I'm really trying to ask is whether the prohibition on cut and past moves also applies to article splitting? Just trying to dot all my i's. Ltwin (talk) 02:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the top of Talk:Earl. There you will find a list of WikiProjects who follow this topic. The Teahouse is no place to ask for permission for such a massive change. You need to interact with editors of this period in history. SVTCobra 04:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I already opened a discussion. The consensus was overwhelming to split. What I want to know is it proper procedure to copy and paste the relevant sections onto the current redirect or is there some other way I should do it? Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 04:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Most splits are done via copy-and-paste of the relevant section(s), but there are some important steps along the way that are needed to satisfy attribution requirements. WP:PROPERSPLIT is a helpful step-by-step guide on how to properly split an article. DanCherek (talk) 04:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- You just overwrite the redirect in that case. And make sure the new article (former redirect) makes sense as a freestanding article. Copy-paste may be a good way to start, but it may need a new introduction. But I am getting the feeling you are fairly experienced already. SVTCobra 05:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I already opened a discussion. The consensus was overwhelming to split. What I want to know is it proper procedure to copy and paste the relevant sections onto the current redirect or is there some other way I should do it? Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 04:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the top of Talk:Earl. There you will find a list of WikiProjects who follow this topic. The Teahouse is no place to ask for permission for such a massive change. You need to interact with editors of this period in history. SVTCobra 04:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
POV and accuracy templates
Is the placement of the {{POV}} and {{accuracy}} templates on Template:Twin towns justified? It is just a template and the question about the method of division was answered in the discussion. The placement of these tags seems to me to be unreasonable and only a disproportionate way to lure into the discussion. Some user already removed it and then me, but a user keeps returning it and I don't know how to behave now. FromCzech (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- As a temporary measure, I've wrapped the two templates in a <noinclude> tag, so that they don't show up wherever {{Twin towns}} is transcluded. —Wasell(T) 🌻 08:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW the documentation for those templates clearly states they should only be used in articles. Shantavira|feed me 10:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @FromCzech: I went and removed it, as these templates aren't applied to other templates. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Rescuing sources
Sometimes when reviewing a page's edit history, I see someone describing their edit as "rescued # sources" where # is a number. What does rescuing sources mean? Thanks in advance EditMaker Me (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi EditMaker Me Usually these edits will have been made by a bot (often triggered by a human editor) and involve, for example, finding a copy at the Wayback Machine for a URL that's suffered WP:LINKROT. Then # is the actual number of instances found during the check. Note that there can be a wider meaning: see WP:RESCUE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Adding film cast.
Hi, how can I add a member of cast to a film if I can't use IMDB as a source? I'm trying to add "Jase Rivers" as the character John in Winnie-The-Pooh: Blood and Honey. I am Jase Rivers, what am I meant to do? There are a number of other cast members also missing on the page. Having worked on the production, I know the cast list on IMDB is accurate. Thanks.
Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey Madulagone (talk) 12:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Madulagone, IMDB is not conisdered reliable by Wikipedia as it is user-generated content. A reliable source will be needed to verify the information. See MOS:FILMCAST. Also, you will need to disclose your conflict of interest as per the shared message on your talk page. Kpddg (talk) 12:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- The cast list on a Wikipedia article for a film isn't meant to be exhaustive. "Jase Rivers" isn't listed in the cast reveal at We Got This Covered, while the likes of Coming Soon and Collider list you down in the "hey these people are in it too" section. IMO, you're not high enough on the cast list to justify a listing here. ValarianB (talk) 12:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your concise response. The reason the other cast members are not on We Got This Covered, is because additional scenes were filmed, which also brings up the other error on the page, that it was filmed over 12 days, not 10 as stated. Do you know how I can delete my account? There seems little point having it if I can't update inaccurate information.
- "IMO, you're not high enough on the cast list to justify a listing here" - Cast listings are listed in order of StarMeter rating or alphabetically, not being "high enough" is irrelevant. Madulagone (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Madulgone Accounts cannot be deleted (its a copyright thing), but you can abandon editing. If you are adamant about it, you can put the word Retired inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top of your User page, and also delete all content on your User page and Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:21, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- "IMO, you're not high enough on the cast list to justify a listing here" - Cast listings are listed in order of StarMeter rating or alphabetically, not being "high enough" is irrelevant. Madulagone (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your concise response. The reason the other cast members are not on We Got This Covered, is because additional scenes were filmed, which also brings up the other error on the page, that it was filmed over 12 days, not 10 as stated. Do you know how I can delete my account? There seems little point having it if I can't update inaccurate information.
Dispute in presidential election template
Hi, I am @Ku423winz1. Recently I tried to edit a presidential election page and was trying to add the election logo in the template. The parameter was there (not undocumented parameters), but after filling it it shows that the parameter is undocumented. How can I resolve this?? Ku423winz1 (talk) 12:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Ku423winz1, welcome to the Teahouse. There was disagreement at Template talk:Infobox election#Should an election's official logo be included in the infobox? Election logo parameters were only supported for a few hours on 17 April. I will remove them from the documentation. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- PrimeHunter I think I was not able to make you realise what I was trying to say, actually I am not talking about reducing the parameter, I was requesting you to make the parameter effective, there are elections which have their own official election logo which are essential to describe and especially represent the election. If any election doesn't have it, then it would remain vacant. Its very simple.Ku423winz1 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:39, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Ku423winz1, you'll need to attempt to gain consensus for the change at the talk page - where I see you've already posted - and then make an edit request if consensus says the parameters should be readded. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Dharmendra Maurya Mitwa, hello! Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? — 3PPYB6 (public) (talk • contribs • owner's talk page) — 15:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- yes Dharmendra Maurya Mitwa (talk) 15:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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Who are/were the Comptones? 142.196.40.131 (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have any questions related to editing Wikipedia? For factual questions, you might get help at the Reference Desk. Kpddg (talk) 16:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Or just use a web search engine, which gives several hits. Wikipedia has no article on them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
reviving
How do I revive an old discussion? When I went to respond, the discussion was already archived. Thank you! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- You can create a new thread, provide a link to the archived discussion, and discuss. Kpddg (talk) 16:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Submission declined because of lack of reliable sources
Attached above is my draft. The reviewer commented that more reliable sources are needed and declined the article. I may need more pointers than that to fix the article. I have drawn most of the sources from famous mainstream sources in China. It is a popular online slogan. Because of the censorship and the nature of Chinese culture that tends to avoid the feminist topic, it is hard to find scholarly articles, and I have done lengthy searches and multiple edits. I am ready to improve the article with more explicit feedback. Wuajp (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Follow-up to Birthday, Marriage, Congratulations Source
Hi , Are sources such as birthdays, weddings, love affairs and congratulations accepted as reliable? PravinGanechari (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @PravinGanechari, welcome back to the Teahouse. Your question is a bit unclear - none of those things are sources. They are things that might be written or written about in sources, which in turn might be reliable or unreliable. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi , See Showing some sources example [2] [3] [4] PravinGanechari (talk) 19:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PravinGanechari, based on this list and this list, those sources are not of the best reliability - they might be okay for information on films, but not for celebrity gossip. I'd suggest consulting one or both of those lists if you have questions about reliability in the future, or using the search function here to find past discussions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am aware of both the lists you have given. I just want to know about the above four things (birthdays, weddings, love affairs and congratulations). Importantly, these news are very much in Times of India and Pinkvilla. I am asking because these sources are appearing in many pages. PravinGanechari (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PravinGanechari, based on this list and this list, those sources are not of the best reliability - they might be okay for information on films, but not for celebrity gossip. I'd suggest consulting one or both of those lists if you have questions about reliability in the future, or using the search function here to find past discussions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi , See Showing some sources example [2] [3] [4] PravinGanechari (talk) 19:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Unreliable IP addresses
Hi, where would be the best place to report an unreliable IP address? I have significant reason to believe that there is one user behind multiple IP addresses editing pages related to zoos and other animal-themed establishments, based on consistent edit summaries and specific editing patterns. I say "unreliable," because I don't know if I can go far enough to call it vandalism. More than likely it is an enthusiastic editor editing in multiple places, assuming good faith. However, the edits always entail unsourced future plans for zoo expansions, and random replacement of featured species with others with no explanation. It's a weird situation, but there are dozens of IP addresses with their respective edits that I am trying to sort through. If someone could just point me in the right direction, that would be great. Until then, I'll be going through their edits and gathering a list of addresses for whom it may concern. TNstingray (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @TNstingray. I assume you've at least tried to communicate with this user - I know it can be hard with folks using shifting IPs, but an attempt should be made. After that, if it's not a matter of vandalism, edit warring or sockpuppetry, the next stop is WP:ANI to see if you can get support for a range block. Do provide behavioral evidence and a list of IPs used. You're supposed to notify someone when you bring them up at ANI; it may be tough in this case, but give it your best shot. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your speedy response, and for providing the link. In my edit summaries for my reverts, I am going to direct them to the respective talk pages for the articles in question. But that's about all I have been able to do, since there is no user talk page, and no option to "Email this user." I'll probably spend the rest of the day compiling a list and browsing their edits to have a comprehensive case of behavioral evidence as you suggested. Thanks again! TNstingray (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TNstingray, all IPs have a user talk page, just like accounts do. It may not have been created yet if no one else has left them a message, though. If you can't catch them while they're active and leave a message on the talk page of that particular IP address while you know they're using it, you may just have to pick the most recently active one from your list. And if they're on mobile, they may not even get an alert that a message has been left for them, and carry on in blithe ignorance. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't see that until just now! Thank you for pointing that out. TNstingray (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TNstingray, all IPs have a user talk page, just like accounts do. It may not have been created yet if no one else has left them a message, though. If you can't catch them while they're active and leave a message on the talk page of that particular IP address while you know they're using it, you may just have to pick the most recently active one from your list. And if they're on mobile, they may not even get an alert that a message has been left for them, and carry on in blithe ignorance. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your speedy response, and for providing the link. In my edit summaries for my reverts, I am going to direct them to the respective talk pages for the articles in question. But that's about all I have been able to do, since there is no user talk page, and no option to "Email this user." I'll probably spend the rest of the day compiling a list and browsing their edits to have a comprehensive case of behavioral evidence as you suggested. Thanks again! TNstingray (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TNstingray You didn't say whether this was an IPv4 or an IPv6 address. If the latter (and I assume it is), then many IPv6 addresses change very dynamically between sessions. So, looking at say, just the contributions of User:2601:846:C200:3558:A17D:223E:4AF2:AAE2 only gives you this single edit. What you need to do is display all the contributions across the entire range of IPv6 addresses that one individual user is likely to have had allocated to them and to have used.
- We call this the /64 range. So, just add '/64/ to the url when displaying contributions. Now, their contributions look like THIS. We can see all the edits they have made, whatever their IP address, and I can see that within that set of one person's edits, the IP address for User:2601:846:C200:3558:74CE:CC9B:BB2F:417B was blocked for a month by User:Sergecross73 for block evasion. It seems that they have continued editing and should be fully blocked across the entire /64 range.
- However, before I do that, could you check and confirm that these are indeed the troublesome edits you were attempting to follow? Meanwhile I'll check a few out myself and may well extend the block if they're up to no good. Hope this all makes sense. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes. That is very helpful, and I'm glad I know to do that for the future. I can confirm that these are mostly the troublesome edits I have been following (I ended up with 11 unique addresses following the 2601:846:C200:3558:- combination). I'm unfamiliar with the specific terminology, but I also have reason to believe that the edits made by User:73.121.73.122 and User:74.93.246.194 are also made by the same User:2601 person (would these be examples of IPv4 addresses?). At this point, I have sent messages to these two as well as to three of the IPv6 addresses, but if one has already been banned for block evasion, I'll probably hold off on the rest for now and save my time. TNstingray (talk) 20:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)