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Good article reassessment (GAR) is a process used to determine whether a good article (GA) still meets the good article criteria, and to delist it if does not. There are two types of reassessment: individual reassessment and community reassessment. An individual reassessment is discussed on the article talk page and concluded by a single editor in much the same way as a review of a good article nomination. Community reassessments are listed for discussion below and are concluded according to consensus. Where possible, editors should conduct an individual reassessment, while community reassessment should be used if delisting is likely to be controversial. Community reassessments can also be used to challenge a fail during a good article nomination. This is not a peer review process; for that use Wikipedia:Peer review.
The outcome of a reassessment should only depend on whether the article being reassessed meets the good article criteria or not. Many problems (including not meeting the general notability guidelines, the presence of dead URLs, inconsistently formatted citations, and compliance with the Manual of Style) are not covered by the GA criteria and therefore not grounds for delisting. Instability in itself is not a reason to delist an article. Content disputes should be resolved through the normal means.
Unless an article's issues are extensive, consider taking the following steps before initiating a reassessment:
- Fix any simple problems yourself. Do not waste minutes explaining or justifying a problem that you could fix in seconds. GAR is not a forum to shame editors over easily fixed problems.
- Tag serious problems that you cannot fix with appropriate template messages, if the templates will help other editors find the problems. Do not tag bomb the article.
- Notify major contributors to the article and the relevant Wikiprojects. Remember, the aim is not to delist the article, but to fix it.
A list of all open GA reassessment nominees may be found at Category:Good article reassessment nominees.
Articles needing possible reassessment
Occasionally, rather than initiating either individual or community reassessment, an editor will merely tag the article as possibly needing reassessment. These tagged articles are listed below and each needs the attention of an editor to decide if reassessment is required. To tag an article, {{GAR request}}
is placed at the top of the article talk page. It is useful to indicate in the edit summary or on the talk page why you think a reassessment may be necessary.
Individual reassessment
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Community reassessment
When to use this process
Requesting reassessment during a content dispute or edit war is usually inappropriate. Wait until the article stabilizes and then consider reassessment. If significant instability persists for more than a couple of weeks, then reassessment on the grounds of instability may be considered. How to use this process
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Please also see the community discussion guidelines that may also apply to an individual discussion.
Begin by consulting the good article criteria before commenting on whether an article should have its status changed or not. All suggestions for improving articles are welcome, but criticisms not based on the good article criteria do not ordinarily disqualify an article from good article status. Note also that if an article is listed at good articles, it almost always means that someone considers it to be of good quality, so if it no longer meet the criteria, an explicit explanation is more likely to be appreciated by other editors than a general comment that the article is inadequate. Those who add an article to good article reassessment should feel free to fix problems with the article; this is not regarded as a conflict of interest and should encourage regular editors of the article to engage more actively with the reassessment process. Good article reassessment is not a deletion discussion, but many of the guidelines for contributing to such discussions (such as the essay on arguments to avoid in deletion discussions) contain applicable advice. |
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Please also see the individual discussion guidelines that may also apply to a community discussion.
Begin by consulting the good article criteria before commenting on whether an article should have its status changed or not. When a community reassessment has run its course, it can be closed by any uninvolved registered user. (Significant contributors to the article are "involved", as are reassessment nominators, unless the closure involves withdrawing the nomination; editors are not usually considered to be "involved" unless they have contributed significantly to GA disagreements about the article prior to the community reassessment.) Reassessment discussions which are still active should not be closed unless there is a clear consensus for a particular action, or more than four weeks have passed since the reassessment was opened. All articles should be listed for at least seven days, unless there is a procedural mistake and a GAR is not appropriate. The clearer the consensus, the sooner the discussion can be closed. In particular, it is not recommended to close any discussion that has a comment less than 2–3 days old, unless
However, discussions which have lasted more than 4 weeks can be closed with no consensus: in this case the status of the article should remain unchanged. Closing a discussion requires taking responsibility, determining the consensus of the editors, and taking action where necessary. Consensus is determined by weight of argument rather than counting votes: for instance, the article may have changed since being listed for reassessment, and some comments may no longer be applicable. Compare the comments made in the discussion with the current state of the article and with the criteria for good articles.
If there is no consensus, consider adding a new comment rather than closing the discussion, to see if consensus can be found. If in doubt, leave notice that you intend to close the discussion, and wait 2–3 days for further comments before closing. In particular, strongly contested discussions, where consensus is difficult to determine, should only be closed by those with more experience of reassessment discussions. |
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Articles needing possible reassessment
The Good articles listed below would benefit from the attention of reviewers as to whether they need to be reassessed. In cases where they do, please open an individual or community reassessment and remove the {{GAR request}} template from the article talk page. In cases where they do not, remove the template from the article talk page.
- 07:13:47, 25/06/2022: Mina (Italian singer)
- 18:01:33, 04/07/2022: Current date for reference
The intention is to keep the above list empty most of the time. If an article is currently a featured article candidate, please do not open a reassessment until the FAC has been closed.
See also
Articles listed for community reassessment
Operation Python
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Almost all the sources are to two Indian commanders who were involved in the battle, most notably the head naval commander. Does not used independent reliable sources. Bumbubookworm (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Zawed, who I think has a pretty good grasp on what constitutes a GA. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:46, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'll add that a) from what I can tell, Afsir Karim was not involved in Operation Python despite his involvement in the Indo-Pakistani War, and b) the Hiranandani sources are reputably published and used properly. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:53, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Responding to a ping, presumably sent as I reviewed this article for GA back in 2017. I see some additional sources have been added since my review and these presumably are what is of concern? Karim appears to be only used once for a fact that seems non-controversial. Hiranandani is a bit more troubling since it is excessively used and from his Wikipedia article, assuming it is correct, he was a participant. Even so I think some use is acceptable for an Indian perspective on non-controversial points. Any statements on contestable issues should not be in Wikivoice, i.e. it should be expressed as "According to Hiranandani..." The article already does this in the first paragraph of the attack section. Zawed (talk) 09:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Not really seeing this. Most of the sources are to Gulab Mohanlal Hiranandani who is the Indian Navies official historian. Not seeing a reason not to use him, especially for non controversial information as is done. Karim is used once, there is no indication that he was involved and again the info is non-controversial. Aircorn (talk) 22:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Global Security is not really a good source. -Indy beetle (talk) 22:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Proxima Centauri b
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So, a few weeks ago I installed a major rewrite of this article and there are later edits too. I should have done this GAR earlier, since the article is now completely different from the time at which it passed GAN I think the new version should be checked against the GA criteria. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Jo-Jo Eumerus: thanks for your work on this article. I'm the original reviewer that passed this article in its previous review. I'm happy to take a look this again for the reassessment if that would be desirable. I'll likely be able to put some time in this weekend. ♫CheChe♫ talk 11:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think that could work. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:52, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Going by this someone else will have to do the re-review. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Article is in a good shape, everything is cited, no cleanup templates. If it looks like GA, it is GA. Artem.G (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
CommentKeep. Very close to GA, but there are a few places where the prose is not quite clear- The paragraph starting with "Climate models including"
- "Planets partially or wholly covered with ice" -> I thought the article is about a single planet
- Fixed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- The additional factors sentence could be split in two/three/four
- Listified this sentence; I don't think an arbitrary split works from a good writing perspective but it is overlong. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- "Planets partially or wholly covered with ice" -> I thought the article is about a single planet
- Proxima Centauri b receives about 10-60 times as much of this radiation as Earth[50] with a particular increase in the X-rays[69] and might have received even more in the past,[70] adding up to 7-16 times as much cumulative XUV radiation than Earth -> can be split too. The mid-sentence cites make it difficult to parse
- Rewrote this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- (I don't think it's a GA criteria, but the diagrams section could be better integrated into the article).
- Restructured the image use here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- The paragraph starting with "Climate models including"
Femke (talk) 19:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't understand: "From Proxima Centauri b, Alpha Centauri would be considerably brighter than Venus is from Earth". Proxima Centauri b is a part of Alpha Centauri, so comparing it with Venus/Earth makes little sense I would think. Femke (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I would think most people will read "Alpha Centauri" as the star, not the entire system. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm.. I was just going off wikilinks here, having no prior knowledge. Googling "alpha centauri" leads only to pages about the star system, rather than an individual star. Could you clarify which star is meant? Femke (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think that most people won't care about the distinction star-star system. In my experience, when you are talking about a star system you aren't part of star and star system aren't distinguished. If you are part of the system then you do distinguish (Sun vs. Solar System) Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I assume you're right, but what's the harm in changing it to "Proxima Centauri" for those who are unaware of such a convention? Femke (talk) 08:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that would make it any clearer, and we are talking about the planet not the star. And the convention above is also used in lay sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:49, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry to be a pain, but I still don't understand the sentence. In my reading it can mean either: "From the planet Proxima Centauri b, the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri ..." Or From the planet Proxima Centauri b, the binary stars Alpha Centauri AB ..". I think if you add "the binary stars of Alpha Centauri", the AB can be omitted. Femke (talk) 08:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Put a variant of that in. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Put a variant of that in. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:20, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry to be a pain, but I still don't understand the sentence. In my reading it can mean either: "From the planet Proxima Centauri b, the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri ..." Or From the planet Proxima Centauri b, the binary stars Alpha Centauri AB ..". I think if you add "the binary stars of Alpha Centauri", the AB can be omitted. Femke (talk) 08:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that would make it any clearer, and we are talking about the planet not the star. And the convention above is also used in lay sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:49, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I assume you're right, but what's the harm in changing it to "Proxima Centauri" for those who are unaware of such a convention? Femke (talk) 08:38, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think that most people won't care about the distinction star-star system. In my experience, when you are talking about a star system you aren't part of star and star system aren't distinguished. If you are part of the system then you do distinguish (Sun vs. Solar System) Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm.. I was just going off wikilinks here, having no prior knowledge. Googling "alpha centauri" leads only to pages about the star system, rather than an individual star. Could you clarify which star is meant? Femke (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I would think most people will read "Alpha Centauri" as the star, not the entire system. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Group 4 element
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I don't think that this article meets the criteria as there is not a lot of media, and precautions and biological occurences could be expanded. Bli231957 (talk) 20:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, biocompatibility of Ti should probably be mentioned. That said, I don't think there's much of a need to duplicate everything in the articles on the individual elements: this can very well be a summary article that focuses on things common to the whole group. Double sharp (talk) 00:31, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Just because there is information lacking in these sections doesn’t mean that we should demote it from good article status. Instead, we should get referenced information about this from the individual elements’ articles. That way, we do not need to demote the article while putting new, properly referenced information and filling in information gaps. We can do this with other periodic table group that are Start-Class or C-Class so we can get them to B-Class and good articles as well. I agree that we do need more information on the Groups and Periods articles but that we shouldn’t put everything - just the major and important facts and knowledge that fill in the gaps. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 18:42, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Just because there is information lacking in these sections doesn’t mean that we should demote it from good article status. Instead, we should get referenced information about this from the individual elements’ articles. That way, we do not need to demote the article while putting new, properly referenced information and filling in information gaps. We can do this with other periodic table group that are Start-Class or C-Class so we can get them to B-Class and good articles as well. I agree that we do need more information on the Groups and Periods articles but that we shouldn’t put everything - just the major and important facts and knowledge that fill in the gaps. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk) 18:42, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Royce White
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The article is woefully outdated. It does not include enough details about White's recent political activities, public statements, or his recently announced campaign for congress (MN-05). Also, as others have pointed out on the talk page, negative edits tend be removed quickly (possibly by a PR team?). It no longer meets the criteria for a good article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minneapples (talk • contribs) 17:15, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
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The content of this article is the subject of a long-running dispute on the talk-page, with no sign that I can see that resolution is imminent or even likely; it can't be considered stable. The text is far from neutral in tone, and contains so much off-topic material that it can't reasonably be considered to be focused on the topic either (as an example, material about James Hinks, who bred a totally different dog from this one, starting from the same nineteenth-century cross-bred dogs). I hope that others will comment on the quality of the sourcing and any possible WP:OR. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delist. Alas I was hoping we wouldn’t progress to this point, but given the continued, concerted and aggressive attempts to avoid acknowledging what sources say about the breed, the article does not present a NPOV. Below are the sources presented at Talk:Staffordshire Bull Terrier#Article's neutrality that state either explicitly or implicitly that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull and Terrier are one and the same breed of dog:
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- And after protracted discussions there with wbm1058, still no sources have been presented that articulate a meaningful counter-narrative.
- To try to avoid acknowledging this, WP:OR and WP:SYNTH (which is itself a form of OR) have been employed extensively throughout the article, so really the article should now also display Template:Original research. Further, like Justlettersandnumbers, I believe the focus on James Hinks is UNDUE, as is the completely UNDUE focus on the American Kennel Club's 1974 recognition of the breed which is given greater weight in the article than recognition of the breed by the Kennel Club.
- Unfortunately, like Bull and terrier, this article is now Start class at best. The worst part is this situation was entirely avoidable. Cavalryman (talk) 00:49, 4 March 2022 (UTC).
- Further, the article cites an unreliable WP:SELFPUBLISHed sources in the Nicolai article and the Zwettler self-published book, it cites the same Pearce book twice, it inexplicably cites "Amazon.co.uk" and "Issuu", and it provides no page number for the Worboys et al, Read, Hall and Percy FitzPatrick books. Cavalryman (talk) 09:30, 4 March 2022 (UTC).
- It seems a large part of the dispute revolves around whether another article (Bull and terrier) pertains to the same subject or not. I'm not well-versed enough into these matters to be the judge of that, but I don't see how that affects the GA status of this here article. It seems suggestions range from merging the content of Bull and terrier into this article, or into the Bull-type terriers article, the latter solution which would have little to no consequences for the status of this article. FunkMonk (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, FunkMonk, my reason for starting this review was not the dispute (which I've been watching for some time), but the state of the article itself. I haven't recently even tried to read past the lead, but that is already far from encyclopaedic – it's highly polemical, and has large amounts of material that should not be there. Problems such as the plural pronoun for a singular antecedent in the second sentence are relatively easily fixed. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Further clarification after a bit of research that has stirred my memory - perhaps it will stir FunkMonk's memory as well:
- Aug 17, 2019 - the apology from Cavalryman for his inappropriate behavior, not unlike what he has exhibited here.
- Sep 16, 2019 - In Option 3 - William Harris made an important observation about the history of the breed origins and the myth:
Perhaps the time to end breed club myth starts now with the Staffordshire Bull Terrier article. I note that the FCI Breed Standard has not bought into this myth.
- Cavalryman was pinged and responded as follows:
Thank you for the ping, apologies for my late response I missed the notice on WP Dogs and have removed this page from my watchlist. I am fully supportive of restarting the process, Hancock’s Sporting terriers specifically states the Staffordshire’s forebears (he discusses both theories of origin) on page 60, further references are on pages 61-66. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 23:33, 16 September 2019 (UTC).
- Both theories of origin are in the article. Nothing has changed from a century ago to verify anything beyond anecdotal accounts of what MIGHT have happened - myths and speculation as I've proven repeatedly. They are theories - nothing more - and we do. not. state. flat-earth theories in Wikivoice. It's time for Cavalryman to stop beating this dead horse. Atsme 💬 📧 05:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Atsme, the previous dispute has no bearing on this discussion, but from memory that dispute commenced because you were attempting to say James Hinks was central to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier's development, now that's a fringe theory for you!!!
- I won't attempt to speak for William Harris, but he did support the merger so it appears he agreed that the mountain of sources represent the mainstream view. Interestingly he retired from the project in disgust because, just like here, some editors were trying to discount reliable sources that did not conform with their opinions.
- Now, as stated by the overwhelming majority of sources, the mainstream view is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was developed in the 19th century from crosses of Bulldogs and terriers (acknowledging a second theory), it was initially known by the names Bull and Terrier, Bull Terrier, Half and half and Pit dog (among other names), and it was given its current name in 1935 in order to achieve kennel club recognition. Until this is included in the article with prominence "in proportion to the prominence of ... [that] viewpoint in the published, reliable sources", this article does not present a neutral point of view. Further, this needs to be stated with no caveats like "unsupported theories or opinions" which is your opinion that is not reflected in any source whatsoever.
- Finally, in order to prevent this article being branded with Template:Contradicts other, Bull and terrier needs to do the same. Given you have recently rewritten that article to conform to your opinions [1][2], this is relevant to this discussion. Cavalryman (talk) 05:41, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Further clarification after a bit of research that has stirred my memory - perhaps it will stir FunkMonk's memory as well:
- Just to clarify, FunkMonk, my reason for starting this review was not the dispute (which I've been watching for some time), but the state of the article itself. I haven't recently even tried to read past the lead, but that is already far from encyclopaedic – it's highly polemical, and has large amounts of material that should not be there. Problems such as the plural pronoun for a singular antecedent in the second sentence are relatively easily fixed. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - this GAR is malformed and is being misused in an effort to settle a disagreement. Furthermore, this GAR and the NPOV tags are noncompliant with WP:NPOVN. After months of discussion, no consensus has been reached to either include the material presented by Cavalryman, or to merge Bull and terrier. The article has had no issues beyond the ones Cavalryman relentlessly brings forward as a result of OR and what appears to be an inability to distinguish figurative language and opinion from statements of fact - we do not use Wikivoice to state fringe opinions as fact - flat-earth theory. My concern is that this GAR is a back door attempt to get consensus for a merge proposal that, without a doubt, would cause great confusion. Merging Bull and terrier to Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any other purebred article, would be a mistake because Bull and terrier is relied upon by several other articles for historic reference. Multiple purebreds share a common ancestry with the bull and terrier crosses, including but not limited to 6 distinct purebreds: Bull Terrier, Boston Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Miniature Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier. No editor, except Cavalryman and JLAN, are convinced that the merger is warranted, or that there is a NPOV issue with those 2 articles. What we're seeing is DONTLIKEIT, OR and CIR. All the RS involved, including the actual breed registry that recognized the Staffordshire Bull Terrier as a purebred in 1935 and approved the name (after rejecting "original" from the first submission for the name), the misinformation and POV pushing we've had to deal with goes beyond the pale. My goal as an editor who has helped promote/review 8 FAs and 19 GAs, my priority is to get the article right - I would not deny valid material or any material that would improve the article. I know better than to state unverifiable opinion in WikiVoice which is what Cavalryman is proposing, and JLAN supports. Any editor who has taken the time to read both Bull and terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and at least scanned the other articles with common ancestry, will see that all substantial views have been included under History, Early history, and Theories of origin. The Hinks dog was the first Bull Terrier that was recognized by The Kennel Club as a purebred in the 1800s, and yes, a group of breeders later split-off to refine their own strain of Bull Terrier, but common knowledge tells us that the modern dogs of today are NOT the same dogs as the heterogenous dogs that were crossed centuries earlier. To make such a claim defies logic and has nothing whatsoever to do with NPOV or the reason to delist a GA. Atsme 💬 📧 19:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Adding: I can provide many more RS than what are listed below, and will add that most of the sources cited by Cavalryman, when read in context, actually corroborate my position and what the sources I've added have published less the figurative language and/or opinion by authors who are selling books. The statement that the Stafforshire Bull Terrier is the renamed bull and terrier is nothing more than figurative language in most cases, or it's born of breed politics and "bragging rights". We've all used figurative language - in fact, I did in this TP discussion, (pointing to photo) I said: Example text Cavalryman misconstrued it to be a statement of fact: *Where in that link does it say that painting is Hinks-type Bull Terrier look alike? Is that just your impression? Pure white SBTs are known and allowed. Also James Hinks was born in 1829 so anyone suggesting he bred Trusty in 1800 is a fool.
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¶Another breed that descended from these rough-hewn crosses was the Bull Terrier, which was molded into a distinct breed by James Hinks of Birmingham, England."
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- Atsme, as I've said just above your post, my reason for initiating this review was not the dispute (which I've been watching for some time), but the
piteousstate of the article itself. It is not well written, it is not well sourced, it is not neutral, it is not focused on the topic; yes, the prolonged dispute means that it is also not stable, but that is far from being the only problem. If you want to start rewriting the article to become more encyclopaedic I'm happy to collaborate to the best of my ability. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)- Responding to ping - "piteous state", JLAN? And what do you propose would make it better? Atsme 💬 📧 20:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Rewriting it with solid WP:RS, in clear plain neutral encyclopaedic English, and sticking to the topic in hand? As before, if you're interested in doing that I'm happy to collaborate to the best of my ability. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, you just confirmed WP:NPOVN, DONTLIKEIT and CIR which is based on your own disclosure in this diff when responding to Cavalryman:
...mostly I'm inclined to defer to your opinion...this is not an area I'm particularly (or really even marginally) familiar with.
FYI - the article does stick to the topic at hand - theories of origin - but your unfamiliarity with common ancesters of 6 distinct modern purebreds and what constitutes a modern breed may be interfering with your judgement as to what does and does not belong in the article. If it were simply a matter of copy editing, I welcome the collaboration, but your suggestion speaks in generallities to context, and that concerns me. I totally disagree with what you've stated, and am done with this discussion. It speaks for itself. Atsme 💬 📧 20:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)- Well, Atsme, since I wrote that I have actually done some reading and research into this topic, so while I'm still happy to acknowledge my extensive ignorance of it, I'm not quite as ignorant as I was; and after writing or re-writing literally hundreds of domestic animal breed articles, I believe I do actually have some limited understanding of what constitutes a breed. The topic of the article is absolutely not "theories of origin", but a British dog breed. Since this is not our page on the Bull Terrier, I suggest that a good first step might be to remove as off-topic all but a passing mention of Hinks and his development of that breed. Unless there's objection here I'll go ahead and do that soon. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, you just confirmed WP:NPOVN, DONTLIKEIT and CIR which is based on your own disclosure in this diff when responding to Cavalryman:
- Rewriting it with solid WP:RS, in clear plain neutral encyclopaedic English, and sticking to the topic in hand? As before, if you're interested in doing that I'm happy to collaborate to the best of my ability. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Responding to ping - "piteous state", JLAN? And what do you propose would make it better? Atsme 💬 📧 20:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Atsme, as I've said just above your post, my reason for initiating this review was not the dispute (which I've been watching for some time), but the
- Atsme, once again none of your sources disprove anything and again you are trying to misconstrue what citations state, the AKC is definitive about the Bull and Terrier being the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the confusion is because the breed was previously known by different names.
- On another note, my library have just managed to get some scans of pages from the Dieter Fleig's Fighting dog breeds which prove you deliberately attempted to falsify the contents of that source here and here, the cited page makes no mention of any terrier whatsoever, it is exclusively about 20th century conformation show Bulldogs. I am happy to share this page with any impartial admin to verify. Are there any other sources in this article (or Bull and terrier) that you have falsified? Cavalryman (talk) 21:22, 4 March 2022 (UTC).
- Responding to ping by JLAN - I would love collaborating with you, and it's good to know that you've been reading. It won't hurt for you to keep reading, starting with the RS I cited above, because you are still misunderstanding Theories of origin. Maybe if you liken it to etymology, it would help. Nothing has changed relative to the modern Staffordshire Bull Terrier and what is written in the article now. The crux of the disagreement has nothing to do with that information; rather it is related to the fact that the article does not treat, as statement of fact or in "tone", that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the bull and terrier renamed. The reason it doesn't is because it is simply not true - such a theory aligns with the flat-earth theory that defies logic and the science behind it. Hinks is more than just a "passing mention" as it relates to the ancestry of all bull terriers/bull and terrier crosses, and once you understand that, you will have a better understanding of what Hinks contributed to both modern breeds back in 1860–1870 and before that, when there were no pedigreed dogs or verifiable purebreds. Everything in the article is important encyclopedic information. It explains why the modern Bull Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier are considered 2 different purebreds today, and why the other purebreds that share common ancestry are separate breeds despite sharing the same ancestry. You will see that more clearly after you read, in context, the sources I've provided and even the sources Cavalryman provided without cherrypicking the flat-earth theories or conflating author opinions and figurative language with statements of fact. CONTEXTMATTERS, logic matters, and so does the science - such as this DNA study titled, Genomic analyses reveal the influence of geographic origin, migration and hybridization on modern dog breed development and this cladogram. If DNA wasn't considered a good source, I would not even mention it. In fact, I'm going to add those 2 links in my list of sources. Understanding the theories of origin is important, especially considering Bull and terrier relates to and serves as an important historic reference for all the other dog breeds of the same ancestry. Atsme 💬 📧 21:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Responding to aspersions/PAs by Cavalryman – all are noted, and they don't change the fact that the bull and terrier of the 1800s is not the Staffordshire Bull Terrier renamed. I'm pretty sure Elon Musk wasn't in the UK in 1860 offering canine cryonics so those dogs could wake-up in the 21st century as Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Quoting David Harris, The Bully Breeds Kennel Club Books: page 39, Registration and Popularity - That is how the 6 distinct bull-and-terrier breeds became established. One by one, the AKC recognized five of them in this order–Bull Terrier, Boston Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and Miniature Bull Terrier. I've already provided the process for name choices as it was handled by TKC, the official breed registry with the authority to approve or reject the newly formed parent club, the new dog breed submission, and name choices.
- RE: your aspersion that I
"deliberately attempted to falsify the contents of that source"
- wow! That is an outright character assasination. I'm not sure if it rises to the level of T&S involvement but you owe me an apology. Despite being pressed for time, I went back and retraced my steps to find out what happened with Fleig.- Your diff (Staffordshire Bull Terrier) = what I found:
- This diff is my initial edit citing Fleig. Why does it bother you to the point of Wikihounding me over it? I found the quote on pg 18 of this article, which I initially found in another WP article but can't recall the details. I cited only the cited source of the quote, and used my own editorial judgement and paraphrased. I didn't think it was necessary to cite the article for Fleig's quote. Are you alleging that the article incorrectly quoted/cited Fleig? If what you say is true, the university should probably be advised.
- This edit removed the Fleig citation.
- Your diff – noting this is about the Bull and terrier article, not related to this GAR = what I added in that History section included 4 sentences describing the appearance of bulldogs of the era because the bulldog is the prominent breed in the bull and terrier cross, and it's the History section. Is this not a "duh" moment? The rest was already there:
2804:7F7:2481:FE58:0:0:0:2 (talk - contribs) added it 2 February 2018 8:51 PM.
I intended to add more despite your disruptive behavior, but here we are – wasting even more of our valuable time. Atsme 💬 📧 08:15, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Atsme, if this new story is true, why did you use the source to cite the information that you did? In the two pages of the dispute you used the source to cite:
it was a hybrid cross between the now extinct [[Old English Bulldog]] and [[Old English Terrier]].<ref name="Fleig, D. 1996">Fleig, D. (1996). ''Fighting Dog Breeds''. T.F.H. Publications. {{ISBN|0-7938-0499-X}}</ref><ref>Shaw, Vero (1879–1881). ''The Classic Encyclopedia of the Dog''. {{ISBN|0-517-43282-X}}</ref>
[3]It is believed that bull and terriers were crossbred primarily from the [[Bulldog]] and one or more varieties of [[Old English Terrier]]s.<ref name="Fleig-1996">Fleig, D. (1996:86). ''Fighting Dog Breeds''. T.F.H. Publications. {{ISBN|0-7938-0499-X}}</ref>
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- You later gave a different story about how you accessed it [5] which does not conform to your new version of events. Having found a photo of the book's contents page on the internet here I questioned you about it [6], but you subsequently maintained your story [7]. Not only does the page not include any of the information you cited, but the entire source does not state the Old English Terrier (or any other name for the breed such as Black and Tan Terrier etc) was used to create the Bull and Terrier, it does not list any breed/variety etc, it just says terriers were used.
- This, in addition to your attempts to hound me, first trying to disrupt an article I recently elevated to a GA [8] and later tagging another I rewrote with page issues [9] (in the month after this dispute commenced you made only three edits to dog related articles or TPs outside of those connected to this dispute) is a very concerning pattern of behaviour.
- BTW, that paper you have cited states the Bull and Terrier was later recognised as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and ... that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was the progenitor to the American Pit Bull Terrier (so by extension the American Staffordshire Terrier etc). Cavalryman (talk) 08:51, 5 March 2022 (UTC).
- Cavalryman, this GAR is not the place to discuss past edits that are no longer in an article, and certainly not the place to be discussing Bull and terrier which is not a GA. Take your concerns to the TP of the respective articles where editors can corroborate and fix the issues. I will no longer reply to your allegations here, and I will certainly not respond to your character assassinations and your bad faith interrogation. If it continues, I will simply file a complaint with T&S. Atsme 💬 📧 17:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delist. This debate has gone on far too long and across far too many fora. In my opinion, either the article body - and not the article lead which should not include any breed history - should reflect both points of view or the article should be delisted. There is far too much reliability being placed on the AKC as a source of this breed's history. 14.2.195.135 (talk) 05:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article does include all significant views in three subsections under History – fringe theories as well as the mainstream, scientifically supported FACTS including a DNA section, all properly cited. It also doesn't matter how many times a RS is cited, especially one of the oldest and most reliable breed registries in the world with the largest DNA database. The article does not and will not state any fringe theory in WikiVoice which is what started this entire reassessment is about. Atsme 💬 📧 09:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- This needs to be included in the article with prominence "in proportion to the prominence of ... [that] viewpoint in the published, reliable sources" which it currently is not, and with no caveats like "unsupported theories or opinions" which is one editor's opinion that is not reflected in any source whatsoever. And as has been explained repeatedly, most kennel clubs that provide a historical summary (including the American Kennel Club) state emphatically that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the Bull and Terrier (see here).
- Also, more sources have been presented that state the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the ancestor of the various bull-type terrier breeds than state otherwise, this also is not represented adequately in the article. Cavalryman (talk) 09:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
I did not call for another round of debate from the parties. The article lacks a WP:NPOV and has been tagged accordingly. It cannot endure as a GA article as it currently stands. 14.2.195.135 (talk) 04:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- The GAR has not achieved consensus or confirmed that there is a NPOV issue. There is no POV issue - the issue is the POV pushing to include a fringe view that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier IS the bull and terrier group of heterogeneous dogs; i.e., undocumented, unpedigreed mongrels or dog types of the 1800s that were named for their function, not a bonafide breed. No breed registries existed at that time. Atsme 💬 📧 21:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Atsme, I have provided four dozen sources here that that state all or multiple aspects of:
- the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was developed into a distinct breed of dog in the 19th century
- the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was developed directly from crosses of Bulldogs and terriers (with no intermediate breed in their lineage)
- the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was initially known by a number of names, but most commonly: "Bull and Terrier", "Pit dog", "Bull Terrier" and "Half and Half"
- the breed's name was later changed to "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" in order to achieve kennel club recognition, this occurred in 1935
- the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the ancestor of all of the other bull-type terrier breeds (except possibly the Boston Terrier which many sources state descends from separate crosses of Bulldogs and terriers that occurred in the US).
- In addition to the over three dozen independently authored works (several of which are tertiary, but policy says they may be used determine due weight), there are three sources from the American Kennel Club, two from the Canadian Kennel Club, and one each from the Kennel Club of Britain, the Australian National Kennel Council, the Raad van Beheer of the Netherlands and the Société Centrale Canine of France (the last three of which are member clubs of the Fédération Cynologique Internationale). Additionally, a number of those sources are cited in the article, one is cited eight times.
- These are clearly mainstream views held by kennel clubs, independent authors and independent publishing houses. Yet the article does not acknowledge most of those points at all. Therefore the article does not present a neutral point of view of the subject matter.
- It remains my preference to fix the article, but you continue to resist all attempts at doing so. Cavalryman (talk) 21:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC).
- Atsme, I have provided four dozen sources here that that state all or multiple aspects of:
- Hopefully, an experienced closer will close this reassessment as it was basically used as a final resort to settle a POV dispute. Fortunately, more project team members started participating in the discussions, and the unwarranted tag-bombing has ceased; the tags have been removed, and the article is now stable again. I am slowly working toward making the article an WP:FAC. Atsme 💬 📧 12:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Ward Churchill
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Lack of citations, cleanup banners, lack of updates on post-2009 work, poor prose in areas (elaboration on the talk page) (t · c) buidhe 12:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The "Writings" section definitely needs a trim / citation update that only uses primary source references as extra backup. That said, I'm not convinced "lack of updates on post-2009 work" is a problem. Google News seems to show that the only notable thing that happened after 2009 was the Supreme Court rejecting his appeal in 2013 - which is already in the article - and him showing up at U Colorado Boulder for a single 90-minute speaking / venting session in 2017, which was barely newsworthy and really just an excuse to tell his story again. Everything else seems to be retrospectives talking about the original incident, the 9/11 deal, and so on. It seems like he hasn't really done much of anything notable since 2009. (To be clear, I agree that the prose & citations in writing sections still need to be fixed for the article to stay a GA - just not the "comprehensive" concern.) SnowFire (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delist. No edits on the article after a month, problems remain unresolved. SnowFire (talk) 03:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delist - this must be delisted, no improvements on warranted and reasonable buidhe and SnowFire suggestions.--౪ Santa ౪99° 03:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Leander Paes
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I have nominated this article for GA reassessment, as it does not meet the good article criteria. The article was last reviewed in 2009, and has changed considerably since then. It consists of several prose-related problems, and also lacks citations, as shown in the templates. Also, there has recently been no major contributor for this article. With so many issues, a proper review should be done. Kpddg (talk) 16:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Churches of Christ
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Churches of Christ may warrant re-assessment for a number of reasons, including number of issues with page structure and layout. This includes: the length of the lead; the volume of imagery (none until section four, and none in the sixth section either); sections starting with pull quotes before the subject is introduced in prose; a degree of overcite, other citation needed, and a number of overly short subsections (also in section six); also some badly out-of-date statistics (at least one 2014 source in the infobox); and a general lack of conciseness - at 135,000kb, the page could merit splitting. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've hacked the lead down a bit, but yes, the entire thing is bloated and would benefit from trimming. I do not think a split is needed--nor do I immediately see an obvious place to do one. It's not something I've paid attention to in a while, and yes, GA could reasonably be pulled from it as it stands now. Jclemens (talk) 02:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Eddie Bayers
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This one seems to fail WP:WIAGA points:
- Well written:
- Several instances where terms aren't linked, such as "Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart". Terms like "after a short time" are not quantified.
- Also no clear inclusion for the "selected discography" part. Why these albums and not others? Why is one a keyboard credit? Also concerns about WP:REFBOMBing AllMusic.
- Broad in coverage:
- There is very little biographical info about him. His DOB is unsourced, and his city of birth is not verified in the body of the article. Also, the "session work" segment gives very little detail on session work, speeding through a laundry list nearly five decades long in less than a paragraph.
- As a musician, there should also be information on his style. What is his drumming like stylistically? What types of drums, cymbals, etc. does he use?
- He is mentioned as recording on Universal South in the infobox, but this is not verified in the body.
Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:05, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging @J04n: @Jackedano: Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
John Dudley, 1st Duke of Northumberland
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The article was reviewed nearly 12 years ago, so I think it should be reassessed. It currently has the additional citations tag (since December 2021). Also there is no recent references with the most recent reference currently being a 2012 book. Sahaib (talk) 19:58, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - The "additional citations" tag makes no sense since it currently has over 200 citations (in fact, there are 239 in the article). I am not seeing any citation issues - it appears that all paragraphs are cited, thereby meeting WP:WIAGA criterion #2. The lead does lack citations per WP:CITELEAD, but it is supposed to be a summary of information that is cited in the article. That tag is so ridiculous that I will remove it right now.I also don't see why Sahaib is concerned that the most recent reference was published in 2012. That is very recent considering that the subject of the article died in 1553, which is... 470 years ago. I would be concerned if we were using many 16th-century sources but, in fact, many of the sources in the article appear to be from the 1990s or early 2000s. In summary, this would not fail the GA criterion based on sourcing. Epicgenius (talk) 17:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The additional citations tag has now been removed, quite correctly in my view: everything in the article is cited inline to a plethora of reliable sources, so I fail to understand why that tag was added in the first place. I don't think the quality of the sourcing is an issue, either. Comprehensiveness isn't a GA criterion, and in any event no one has pointed out any more recent references that could be added even if we wanted to. Without a complaint that's more solidly rooted in the GA criteria, there's no basis for delisting the article. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:04, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Homotopy groups of spheres
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The article is tagged for lack of sources. Though it has a section of references, it lacks inline citations. The math markup is also a bit rough and probably needs to be converted to LaTeX style due to the MOS:BBB character, and italics not meshing well with superscripts. There are also equations in section headers, which might be good to avoid? -- Beland (talk) 07:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The article used a parenthetical inline citation style that was standard at the time it passed GA but has since been deprecated. I converted them to footnotes. This does not change the fact that, before I converted them, they already were inline references. Many many of the citation needed tags, added per above, were not actually citation needed, but had been added by someone unfamiliar with that citation style, often directly onto the inline citation, as if that person had not even tried to make sense of the text and just blindly applied citation needed tags whenever they didn't see footnotes in the style they were expecting. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:03, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Railway surgery
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Severely US-biased, confuses railway-operated hospitals with doctors paid by railway companies to represent them in legal cases involving medical matters, contains blatantly false statements like "in Europe, the majority of injuries were due to collisions, hence passengers rather than employees formed the bulk of the injured" that because of the way the article is written are very hard to remove without major rewrites or massive excisions. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- The article is biased towards the US because the detailed sources are American. What's more, those sources explicitly state that railway surgery was espeially (even uniquely) developed in the US. The alleged blatantly false claim is what the source says. There has been a discussion on this on the article talk page, but new sources have not been offered. It may be untrue that US railway surgery was unique, but without sources showing that, we can only write from the sources we have. That's how Wikipedia is supposed to work isn't it? SpinningSpark 18:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- You can say that it's due to lack of sources, but a) have you actually looked for foreign sources, and b) that does not justify the confused presentation of the article that fails to clearly delineate between countries where railways actually provided medical care and those that did not. Second, the source for the blatantly false claim does not say what it you say it does - it divides railway injuries into four categories, but absolutely nowhere suggests that they are ordered by frequency, or that the author had any great knowledge about accident frequency in the first place. That you misread the source so badly makes me skeptical that you have represented the other sources accurately.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I looked for sources quite extensively. I'm not very competent in languages, but did not turn up much at all outside the US except a few scraps in mostly 19th century sources. The Great Britain section (and by extension Western Europe) makes it very clear that railway surgeons in that country had a radically different role "...primarily as medico-legal consultant regarding injury claims rather than practical surgery." I'm at a loss to understand why you think it doesn't say that. India is the only other country with a specific section and there the emphasis is most definitely on treatment of the injured.
- On the statistics, Bond does give an indication of numbers "Accidents belonging to the first class enormously preponderate..." That is, passenger injuries. That this is different in the US and employee rather than passenger injuries predominate is given in Herrick with some statistics. (Note I have just adjusted the page range in Herrick to include the numbers he gives). SpinningSpark 09:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've also reworded this to avoid the claim these classes are in statistical order. SpinningSpark 09:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- You have still kept the completely erroneous claim that passenger inujuries outnumbered employee injuries in Europe, which the source says absolutely nothing about. Further, with regards to countries, the article spends far too long talking in terms of a mythical international "railway surgery". Most of the article should be placed under a US heading. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 14:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- You have still kept the completely erroneous claim that passenger inujuries outnumbered employee injuries in Europe, which the source says absolutely nothing about. Further, with regards to countries, the article spends far too long talking in terms of a mythical international "railway surgery". Most of the article should be placed under a US heading. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 14:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Pow (Elvana Gjata song)
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I'm concerned the article includes a source that is quite unreliable, Illyrian Pirates, there are no authors, no editorial staff and I can't just remove it as it is a backbone of the article. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Ex (Elvana Gjata, DJ Gimi-O and Bardhi song)
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I'm concerned the article includes a source that is quite unreliable, Illyrian Pirates, there are no authors, no editorial staff and I can't just remove it as it is a backbone of the article. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Ko Olina Station and Center
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I'm not convinced that this meets GA criteria. Lonely Planet is a tourism website and doesn't seem sufficient for supporting notability. Most of the other sources are similar tourism blurbs too. There's very little info about the mall, as the article is only two paragraphs long. It doesn't seem to be a thorough enough look, especially when compared to other mall articles. tl;dr: comprehensiveness and sources. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- just a quick note: GAR is not the place to talk about notability, and 'comprehensiveness' is the FA criterion. Good articles only need to be 'broad'. In practice these two terms mean the same for articles with few sources available. Femke (talk) 07:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- The sourcing is still sorely lacking, as most of it is just tourism bureau websites. I still think the coverage is far from broad enough for a GA. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- The sourcing is still sorely lacking, as most of it is just tourism bureau websites. I still think the coverage is far from broad enough for a GA. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Superstore (season 6)
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Merely a cursory glance at the page revealed examples of poor writing and misrepresenation of a web source (both present at time of original GA assessment), which I edited to fix. Reassessment required. U-Mos (talk) 07:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Further issues encountered: article skims over the notable fact that departing lead actor America Ferrera not only returned to film the episode held over from the previous season, during which she departs, but filmed a further episode as well (the season premiere); currently just reads she "wrap[ped] up the storyline". Further down in the production section, a paragraph begins with confusing reference to "multiple showrunners, writers, and lead actors" (from other shows?) discussing using COVID as a narrative theme (in reference to Superstore? Or more generally? Is this backed up by the source from the subsequent sentence, which is behind a paywall?) U-Mos (talk) 08:11, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
I Don't Miss You at All
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Got a few concerns with this one. First the Copyvio score appears to be quite high. Further to this, the article is VERY brief - the coverage may not be broad enough to satisfy all aspects of Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs. The information when direct quotes from Fineas are removed is very sparse. Not convinced there was enough prose to assess a decent coverage of the topic. This is problematic as it was promoted as a "good topic" too. Would appreciate other's thoughts. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delist Didn't sheetmusic copied the article from wiki? Despite that I agree, the coverage is not broad enough and very scares if Fineas' quotes are removed. However, it passes WP:WPSongs as Billboard gave it a review and its live performance at the TV show had some coverage. It is just not GA worthy, from my point of view due to the reason mentioned above. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
James Armstrong (Georgia politician)
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Last month, User:Lilredreb removed a large amount of information from this page, asserting that the article was conflating different people. This article needs someone familiar with the subject area to sort it out. It needs to be determined if the removal of information was the correct thing to do. If it was, then the references listed in the bibliography section need to be checked if they apply to this guy or the other guy. The infobox would need to be removed or replaced. I also have some concerns relating to whether this is sufficiently broad in coverage. Some newspaper references could be used. If that is not possible, then I would call into question whether this subject matter passes GNG. Steelkamp (talk) 06:17, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Speedy delist. A good article does not need to be long, but this is less informative than some stub articles i've seen. Also i think that he may not be notable based on the lack of info i've found online. The helper5667 (talk) 19:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Speedy delist I am unsure if this is an option, but agree per nom, as the article is extremely poor IMO. With barely more than 100 words, a one-sentence lead, and few refs, IMO this should at best be a start article; its notability is also probably questionable, namely this line: Much of his early life is unknown
. VickKiang (talk) 23:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Iazyges: Do you agree with Lilredreb's claim that the article was previously conflating two different people? It's a bit of a different conversation for if that claim is contested vs. accepted. Agree with the others that if this article was in fact describing two people before, the remaining article should be delisted. SnowFire (talk) 07:00, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- @SnowFire: I'll need to take a look at it; it is possible. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:46, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @SnowFire: I'll need to take a look at it; it is possible. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:46, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Weh Island
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I have several reasons regarding this reassesment:
- The GAN is very old, hence most of the info of the article is very outdated. Example, the dominant economy of the city/island as of 2022 is not agriculture anymore but trade, construction, and social service per BPS 2022
- The article content itself is problematic, because the entirety of Weh Island is inside Sabang city. This results in a potentially very similiar content found in Weh Island article should instead be at Sabang, Aceh
- The article itself is not that comprehensive
Hence why I believe this article does not meet requirements for Good Article status and reassesment is very much needed. Thank you very much
Nyanardsan (talk) 09:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Mother 3
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This article gained GA status eight years ago. Since then, the page has changed quite a bit, including the plot section getting completely mangled, which meant I had to replaced it with a clunkily-written plot summary of my own (I am not the best at using words). In addition, there are claims on the talk page that the Development section is now severely outdated now that more sources have been found and translated into English. I'm not entirely sure whether or not it meets the criteria to be delisted from being a good article, but I feel it deserves being looked at again. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 17:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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