Requests for clarification and amendment
Amendment request: Tea Party movement
Amendment request declined. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Initiated by Mhawk10 at 04:35, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Mhawk10The current clause states Statement by {other-editor}Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information. Tea Party movement: Clerk notes
Tea Party movement: Arbitrator views and discussion
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Amendment request: Kurds and Kurdistan
Initiated by Barkeep49 at 19:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Clauses to which an amendment is requested
- List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request
- Thepharoah17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
- Information about amendment request
- Repeal of topic ban
Statement by Thepharoah17
I got a one year topic ban in this area and would like to appeal the ban. Apparently, my editing was disruptive and I pledge to change that. I never meant any harm with my edits. In any case, I just took a seven month break from Wikipedia and am ready to contribute positively. I was kind of busy in the past few months. If you let me back, I promise I will contribute positively. There was a sockpuppet that I was dealing with and things may have gotten a bit messy but I promise there will be no disruption from me. You can look at my talk page history and see that I have never been disruptive. By the way, I am not sure if I am appealing this the right way or if I have to appeal to the arbitration committee i.e. I did not know what to put for 'user imposing the sanction' so I just put ArbCom. The only reason I am topic banned is because there was a sockpuppet and because Levivich did a witch hunt (and did not even get one of the diffs correct). Go through my talk page history and you will find almost no warnings. You want to extend the topic ban, go ahead. I fully swear 100% to god that I have NEVER been disruptive. That case was opened by a banned user. That one month block btw, I’m not sure what it was for i.e. I think it was supposed to be an arbitration block but it was because a user went forum shopping. I am telling you I am 100% innocent. The block on the French wiki was because I was reverting a sockpuppet's edits on that wiki. I am telling you, though, I am 100% innocent. If you do not believe me, that is your choice. The topic ban is not even possible. Banned users cannot open arb cases. Do whatever you want. Honestly, I don’t even know why I even came back. The whole thing is just weird but again do whatever you want. Banned users cannot open arb cases and users like Levivich cannot do (or are not supposed to be allowed to do witch hunts). Before that point, I had NEVER really had any warnings. He did a witch hunt and portrayed me as a disruptive editor. I am telling you, though, I am not a disruptive editor. Believe whoever you want. It is your choice. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply] I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Wikipedia. If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you. BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Statement by Levivich
Two things I'd like to raise: First, the last edit Thepharoah17 made prior to posting this request is this from Dec. 6, which I won't characterize, but I think reviewing admins should read. Second, I think it would help to see a few examples from the past year where Thepharoah17 has resolved a content dispute with another editor, or at least engaged in discussion of content with another editor, to demonstrate that their approach has indeed changed from the approach that led to the TBAN. Levivich[block] 18:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- For convenience of those reviewing this and the next appeal, and maybe for Pharoah's benefit, let me quote WP:KURDS#Thepharoah17:
4) Thepharoah17 has shown a battleground mentality with respect to Kurds and Kurdistan topic area: they attempted to sidetrack concerns about their article-writing due to an unrelated bias from the other editor,[1] and claimed they have no further interest in the topic yet returned to make similar edits shortly thereafter.[2][3] Thepharoah17 has edited tendentiously in the topic area by seeking to erase Kurdish names and mentions of Kurdistan,[4][5][6], pushing an anti-Kurd POV,[7][8][9][10] and drawing equivalencies between Kurdish groups and the Islamic State.[11]
- Passed 12 to 0 at 14:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Statements by uninvolved Administrators when posted at Arbitration Enforcement
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- The topic ban was placed in February 2021 with a note that it can be appealed after 12 months. They were blocked for a week by El_C for violating the topic ban in March 2021 [12] which they unsuccessfully appealed here. They were block again in May 2021, this time for 1 month, following this AE thread. This clearly shows the claim that they have never been disruptive to be incorrect. Looking at their talk page, it seems there have been several issues relating to deletion since then but none have been in the area of the topic ban. However, this appeal is their first (and so far only) contribution to the project since December when they were indefinitely blocked on the French Wikipedia for Kurdistan-related disruption. All this together, and particularly the last two points, mean I'm leaning towards not accepting the appeal now - I'd prefer to see another 6 months of clearly good editing in other topic areas first. Thryduulf (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Wikipedia.
you are free to make positive contributions to Wikipedia about every other subject you can think of.If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's not about telling us things, the evidence of your contributions shows that you very much were disruptive. You need to show us, through your edits, that you no longer are.BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet.
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Thepharoah17 makes it clear that the basis for your topic ban was not just "reverting a sock puppet".- In order for your topic ban to be lifted you need to demonstrate three things:
- That you understand why your past behaviour was disruptive
- That you are now able to make positive contributions to the encyclopaedia without being disruptive
- That if the topic ban is lifted you wont return to the behaviour that resulted in the topic ban in the first place.
- Regarding point 1, not only have you not demonstrated this, it's becoming clear that you don't (or possibly don't want to) understand this; with no recent edits we have no evidence on which to evaluate point 2, but your edits from December do not make a good case for you. The lack of recent edits also make point 3 hard to judge, but your actions on the French Wikipedia after being topic banned here and your lack of understanding of why your actions were disruptive don't fill me with confidence. I'm now a firm decline. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would oppose removing the tban at this time. Our first obligation is to the reader, then the editors contributing to those articles in a positive way. I don't see lifting the tban as helping either group, given the statements, prior blocks and insufficient time actually contributing in a constructive manner. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Statement by {other-editor}
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the amendment request or provide additional information.
Kurds and Kurdistan: Clerk notes
- This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
- This was copied from Arbitration Enforcement. I moved it here as it was ineligible for appeal at AE. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Kurds and Kurdistan: Arbitrator views and discussion
- I am not seeing the kinds of evidence that would lead me to over turn this topic ban per the concerns noted by Thryduulf and Dennis Brown. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Decline Actions speak louder than words, and there is ample evidence that lifting this ban would not be constructive. --BDD (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Decline In light of the evidence, it will take months of good behavior and productive editing before I would consider any other result. - Donald Albury 20:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- At the best of times I think taking a break from Wikipedia (which by itself is not a bad thing) and upon returning immediately asking for the lifting of sanctions is problematic, but the editing before the break puts me firmly in the decline camp. Primefac (talk) 08:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)