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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not change the target of the redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for both potential closers and participants.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first or that it has become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
STEP I. | Tag the redirect.
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Current list
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July 24
John Nash (Mathematician)
- John Nash (Mathematician) → John Forbes Nash Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:RCAPS. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. It is not implausible that a user would create a link in another article to this redirect, with its incorrectly capitalized initial M. We all know that incorrect capitalizations by Wikipedia editors are a problem that is always with us. Michael Hardy (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- "Mathematician" is not a proper noun. It is not a plausible redirect. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I think the fact that this redirect is linked three times from mainspace, once from a talk page, and three times from user pages or talk pages speaks to the fact that this is not an "implausible, unnatural, or novel" capitalization. Proper noun or not, it is not necessarily obvious to inexperienced users that the first word of a "disambiguation phrase" shouldn't be capitalized the same way the first word of an article title typically is. -Elmer Clark (talk) 20:21, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Someone might hold the ⇧ Shift key for too long and this redirect'll still get people to their destination. I don't see any reason for deletion. Regards, SONIC678 21:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Elifism
- Elifism → Antinatalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, results on Google Scholar all appear to either be typos of "elitism" or references to Elif Shafak, who does not appear to be associated with antinatalism. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 18:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's really difficult to search for because every search engine in existence is absolutely convinced you meant "elitism" and you have to do all kinds of tricks to get it to properly search for "efilism." It appears in some Indian periodicals. E.g. "It Is Immoral To Have Children. Here’s Why" in The Hindu Business Line (July 2017), referenced here, or in online discussions, here's a Quora discussion and here's a subreddit. I think there is technically a difference between them? Like, antinatalism is in relation with just human life, and efilism is meant to apply more broadly to all sentient life? Thus the name ("life" backwards). But I thought I might as well just try to get it to point somewhere for now.
- ...wait.... squints eyes
- We're just talking about the eLIFism redirect, not the eFILism redirect, aren't we? Yeah, that's a typo/dyslexia on my part, the redirect should come from eFILism, sorry. Fephisto (talk) 20:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Fire of knowledge
- Fire of knowledge → Logos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is solely linked on articles about Chinese philosophy and redirects to a Christian concept. Namewise it seems like a completely different concept from Logos and probably should be its own article if it exists in the first place Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 18:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:NETHERLANDS
- Wikipedia:NETHERLANDS → Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Wikipedia:Netherlands is currently a disambiguation page, and these differ only in capitalisation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:45, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep but redirect Wikipedia:Netherlands to Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands. Wikipedia:Notice board for topics related to the Netherlands is the WikiProject's talk page and Wikipedia:WikiProject Dutch municipalities is an inactive subproject. -- Tavix (talk) 18:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Rambut
No affinity for Indonesian Plantdrew (talk) 16:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:09, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Not a suitable redirect to Rambutan. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Whip Gate - Incidents During the Biden Administration
- Whip Gate - Incidents During the Biden Administration → September 2021 Haitian migrant photo controversy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This read to me like a WP:NPOV violation. It sounds like this was a direct action of the Biden Administration, which is not accurate. According to the article, Biden was "deeply troubled about it." That, combined with the poor formatting, recommends me to delete it. -- Tavix (talk) 15:45, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Onvaccation
- Template:Onvaccation → Template:Vacation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not a likely typo for such a common word most people learn in their first year of English class. Nothing links here. The page has virtually no views since its creation and no page history except for my failed speedy nomination. I don't see a point why this should stay. ~~ lol1VNIO🎌 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- What
people learn in their first year of English class
is generally irrelevant since this is not a prerequisite to reading the English Wikipedia. However, since this spelling appears to be completely unlikely and vastly different from the actual word (Onvaccation does not exist in mainspace either), I agree this should be deleted. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC) - Keep, likely typo / different (unspaced) convention for {{On vacation}} Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, right, {{Onvacation}} exists too. Why did I read the target as "vaccination"? Vaccation still seems rather unlikely to me, so consider my previous vote a weak delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Mother of Pride
- Mother of Pride → Brenda Howard (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Mother of Pride → Brenda Howard (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. The phrase "Mother of Pride" has been removed from the Brenda Howard article because of lack of reliable sourcing. See Brenda Howard Talk page for more info. The redirect was added by Brenda Howard's partner. I believe this should be deleted under reason 4 - self-promotion or reason 8 - novel or obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target Duke9000 (talk) 22:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I agree that the term is not well sourced enough to be in the article itself, but a redirect needn't be well sourced, merely useful. Can we demonstrate that the term is used by some people? Yes, two blogs and a magazine article apparently do so, according to what I skimmed on the talk page. Is the target ambiguous? It doesn't seem that anyone else is attempting to claim the title, so it looks unambiguous to me. I think that's enough for a redirect, though not actual article inclusion. That said, I'm certainly open to arguments otherwise, and I don't feel strongly about keeping the redirect. Fieari (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. If there's no mention in the article then it's confusing, and not helpful or useful, to redirect there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:47, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment there is currently no mention of this term in the article, but she is referred to by this name in multiple other articles. It was formerly in this article but removed in August last year, with detailed explanation on the talk page (which basically says there are no sources that don't originate with the Wikipedia article). The user who added it objected in June this year, but a third editor agreed with the first. Given the sourced mentions in multiple other articles, but claims of citogenesis, I think it would be useful to have a better-attended discussion about the term so I will flag it up to the LGBT project. Meanwhile, I've added The Mother of Pride (a redirect to the same target) to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 09:34, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Mother of Pride for the discussion I've started about inclusion of the term. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep- I'd say the reasoning of Fieari is sound and I see no harm in either of these redirects being kept. Historyday01 (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There was a suggestion at the LGBT project of adding back the mention at the target, but it did not happen and the discussion has been stalled since July 18.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 15:18, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Little Punjab
- Little Punjab → Indians in the New York City metropolitan area#New York City boroughs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Little Punjab" is too ambiguous, and can refer to any Punjabi diaspora community. For instance, a quick Google News search shows that this term is also applied to Southall, another place where many Punjabis settled. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambig. It is mentioned in the lead at Punjabi Market, Vancouver and Richmond Hill, Queens, with a less prominent mention at Paldi, British Columbia#Present day. Southall doesn't include it, other than in the title of a reference, but it is noted at British Punjabis. Thryduulf (talk) 09:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify per Thryduulf --Lenticel (talk) 22:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Even though consensus for disambiguating has been reached, a draft DAB hasn't been created yet.
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- Dabify - although I doubt any disambiguation page for this term will ever be exhaustive. --QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:26, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Animal Parade
- Animal Parade → Teletubbies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 20:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I was thinking of two potential targets but I'm not sure though. One is A Parade of Animals and the other is Harvest Moon: Animal Parade. --Lenticel (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak disambig in addition to Lenticel's findings there is an entry in the discography at Carlos (singer) and a musical work noted at Iain Farrington#Career, which I think makes enough for a dab. May Zoo Parade and Procession of the Species as see alsos? I expect we probably have some content somewhere about the parades that were common at some zoos in the early-mid 20th century, but I've not found anything yet. Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Suicide Six
- Suicide Six → Saskadena Six (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The ski resort Suicide Six was recently renamed from Suicide Six to Saskadena Six and a redirect was created as such. Given that the primary article no longer named as such. I think the Suicide Six should redirect somewhere else i.e. the Suicide Six film/TV and have a dab link from there SYSS Mouse (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate turn it into a disambiguation page with the ski resort, the film and the TV show -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Disambiguate with links to all three. It seems there's also a novel with that name that may be borderline notable and neither the TV show nor movie seem clear primary topic. Skynxnex (talk) 15:34, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Vietnamese in China
- Vietnamesee language in China → Gin people#Language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Vietnamese in China → Gin people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Vietnamese people in China → Overseas Vietnamese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These should point to the same target. I think that Overseas Vietnamese, with the current hatnote to Gin people, is the most appropriate target. The first could also potentially be deleted for being an unusual typo. signed, Rosguill talk 15:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Given that Overseas Vietnamese has only a single sentence on China, which is essentially just a link to Gin people, I would prefer Gin people as the target. If not that, then as a secondary preference, Overseas Vietnamese#China. Furius (talk) 22:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- My sense based on Google Scholar results is that we are undercovering Vietnamese people in China on Overseas Vietnamese, as most results for the term there are for modern immigrants, not Gin people. signed, Rosguill talk 22:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Hell (forum)
- Hell (forum) → List of Tor onion services#Social media and forums (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The section that this redirects to does not mention the subject. Only two content pages contains a link to this redirect; neither defines the subject. ZFT (talk) 22:37, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Source that I found after a quick google search. Could be notable, but I can't see more than a stub existing for now. Anarchyte (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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The security
- The security → Security (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The "the" is unnecessary. TraderCharlotte (talk) 03:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Common search term, as evidenced by non-negligible pageviews. I'd think that this redirect should target security guard as a more accurate representation of what is thought of when this is mentioned. J947 † edits 06:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Sounds ungrammatical. Likely it would just clutter up Cirrus Search and Visual Editor suggestions. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to security guard per J947. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I don't think we actually know what a user would be looking for if they entered this as a search term (e.g. perhaps they were thinking of The Security Service or Security (finance), which is the only context where one regularly talks about "a security" or "the security"), so it's probably best just not to have the redirect. Failing that, send them to Security (disambiguation). Furius (talk) 18:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete As having no apparent obvious target, nor one for disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete in the spirit of WP:THE. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Iron Golem
- Iron Golem → Minecraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Target has changed back and forth several times between different video games with no discussion. MB 03:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate to all prior targets -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 07:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As overly vague. It is also the name of a Dark Souls boss and a recurring Final Fantasy enemy. However, there is no specific page with the name "Iron Golem" it needs to disambiguate. However, I would also not be opposed to a disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete. There are almost two dozen articles with mentions of iron golems, and as far as I can see from a quick glimpse, none of those entities appear to get anywhere close to being significant subtopics of those articles, and so are below the noteworthiness threshold for disambiguating, and the search results do a good job of revealing them. – Uanfala (talk) 13:20, 16 July 2022 (UTC)- Oh well: should have looked closer: Iron Golem is the alternative title of the TV film Iron Invader, so that's one valid target. Disambiguation could work, with one entry for that, another for Golem (which unfortunately doesn't mention iron varieties but is the closest thing to a general article), and a {{canned search}} to reveal the search results. – Uanfala (talk) 13:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between the possible targets, one of which has an article (the film). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:24, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate When I made my initial redirect change to the Minecraft article, it was because most readers typically associate the Iron Golem with the mob in Minecraft which is more well known within popular media as well as the fact that most of the redirects history was redirecting to the Minecraft article. With that all being said, there are other fictional entities with the same name so a disambiguation is a more appropriate course of action than only focusing on one, especially since it doesn't even have a standalone article. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 05:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per those above. BD2412 T 06:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Iron Invader, which looks to be the only cromulent target. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any of the other suggested disambiguation entries meeting WP:DABMENTION. -- Tavix (talk) 04:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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The King Banishes the Letter P
- The King Banishes the Letter P → Sesame Street (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This story on Sesame Street Stories used to have an article from Se_tember 2006 to July 29 the next year, but it wasn't mentioned on the target _age at the times it was created or turned into a redirect _er WP:N. Currently, it isn't mentioned anywhere on Wiki_edia, and the number of _ageviews it's been getting since July 2015 have been declining over the years. We may need to banish this one just like King _eter the _ersnickety did with the letter _ in his story, but I'm o_en to being swayed otherwise if there's a more a__ro_riate course of action to be taken. Regards, SONIC678 05:27, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Enwiki has nothing about this. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete memorable segment from the classic era, but unlikely to be a search term or be linked to. _S, non, you missed one in "per". oknazevad (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Rosewood (color)
Bazaar (color)
- Bazaar (color) → Rose (color)#Bazaar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article, and not mentioned in Shades of rose. Apparently, though it kind of looks like a purple, it's a dull shade of red. Steel1943 (talk) 04:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
July 23
USS Sumner (AG-2)
- USS Sumner (AG-2) → USS Sumner (AGS-5) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Deletion of redirect recommended. The USS Bushnell/Sumner never was assigned hull symbol AG-2, that was assigned to the USS Lebanon. This redirect is not much different than a redirect for 'RMS Titanic (PT-109)'. It conflates two vessels that should not be conflated. Cheers! Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Sterling airlines goes bankrupt
- Sterling airlines goes bankrupt → Sterling Airlines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely redirect, delete. Jonteemil (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. This was created as an article in 2008, but redirected the same day. The article was written like a news article, and feels like a copyright violation, but if it is I've not been able to find the source. Thryduulf (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Marathon RED
- Marathon RED → Marathon (video game)#Marathon RED (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Originally an article, redirected to Marathon Total Conversions (which was moved to Marathon total conversions not long after) as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marathon RED in 2006. The section on Marathon RED was removed in 2010 [1] then the whole article BLARed shortly after [2]. Marathon Trilogy#Modifications (the current target of Marathon total conversions) would be a potential target if mention is justified and added. A7V2 (talk) 02:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thanks for that history trail, A7V2. No mention has been added yet to Marathon Trilogy#Modifications.
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Wikipedia:PH
- Wikipedia:PH → Wikipedia:WikiProject Photography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Proposing to retarget this redirect from Wikipedia:WikiProject Photography to Wikipedia:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines, consistent with existing redirects of WP:CA for WikiProject Canada, WP:JP for WikiProject Japan, and WP:ID for WikiProject Indonesia. Sanglahi86 (talk) 00:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. We should always be very cautious when changing shortcut redirects as there is a very high chance of causing confusion (or worse) through changing the apparent meaning in old links, discussions (including unlinked uses) and edit summaries. Looking at the links, there aren't that many, but around two thirds of them are intended to mean Wikipedia:Page history (almost all of them though are years old) and all but one of the rest clearly mean the current target (the context of the sole exception means I don't know what was intended). Page view stats show it's used a bit, but those page views don't correlate with views of the photography project or the Philippines project, so with no evidence that anybody is using this expecting to find the Philippines changing it to that is a bad idea. I'm open to retargetting to Wikipedia:Page history if anyone thinks that would be a benefit. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep there's a hatnote pointing to the Tambayan page in the current target so I don't mind. Also I think there's no rule about these redirects that states that they must point to a country or state's Wikiproject. For example, WP:PA points to Wikipedia:No personal attacks rather than WikiProject Pennsylvania or the currently inactive WP:PANAMA. --Lenticel (talk) 05:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- You've just reminded me of a similar discussion - Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 19#Wikipedia:EE where I wrote:
Based on a quick check of about 35 country codes I found 9 go to the WikiProject about the relevant country (WP:AU, WP:CA, WP:FR, WP:GR, WP:IE, WP:JP, WP:MX, WP:NZ and WP:UK), 2 go to noticeboards for topics related to the country (WP:IN, WP:PK), three are disambigs (WP:NO, WP:PT and WP:SA) and the rest go to unrelated topics (WP:AE, WP:AT, WP:BE, WP:DE, WP:EG, WP:ES, WP:FI, WP:GA, WP:IL, WP:IQ, WP:IT, WP:LT, WP:LV, WP:PH, WP:RS, WP:RU, WP:SE, WP:SK, WP:SL, WP:UA and WP:US). Thus it is more likely that a country code will not take you to the WikiProject about that country - shortcuts are basically taken on a first come first served basis with no use automatically having priority over any other.
Thryduulf (talk) 13:54, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- You've just reminded me of a similar discussion - Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 19#Wikipedia:EE where I wrote:
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For an opinion on a suggested target to Wikipedia:Page history.
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Xiguit District
- Xiguit District → Shiguai District (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another completely made up Mongolian name, this time for Shiguai District (see #Ud District below). The actual transliteration of the Mongolian name is Siɣuyitu. Theknightwho (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait to see if pageviews drop off, per my !vote re Ud District. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 17:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)- Again, I was wrong. The Mongolian ᠰᠢᠭᠤᠶᠢᠲᠤ is given the Cyrillic form Шугуйт ("thicket") in the Mongol Toli (National Mongolian Dictionary). Ш (Mongolian Cyrillic) and X (Chinese Mongolian Roman) always represent the Mongolian s, but the Chinese Romanisation system is slightly more faithful to the Mongolian script Siɣuyitu, and resolves to Xiguit, whereas the Mongolian Шугуйт is closer to the actual pronunciation. Theknightwho (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep based on the above comment. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Ud District
- Ud District → Wuda District (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Wuda District (in Inner Mongolia, China) was moved to Ud District back in 2018 by User:ASDFGH,[3] but that name seems to have been completely made up, and I can't find any uses of it in any source (other than Google Maps, who I'm pretty certain got it from WP). I'm pretty sure it comes from the faulty transliteration of the Mongolian Uda which the same user added to List of administrative divisions of Inner Mongolia until I just corrected it.[4]. The Mongolian ᠤᠳᠠ clearly contains the letter ᠠ ("a"), so this isn't a case of different romanisation systems - it's just that user's mistake, which we shouldn't be perpetuating. Theknightwho (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete as implausible misnomer.— Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- Wait a month or two to see if pageviews drop off. With 2,000 views in the years that it was at this title, there may be reliance by off-site backlinks. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:49, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, can I withdraw this? Having looked into Mongolian in a lot more detail since I listed this, it seems that Ud is an accurate Romanisation. The leading Mongolian dictionary lists ᠤᠳᠠ ("willow", which is what the district was named for) with the Cyrillic form Уд, because Mongolian usually drops the final "a", even though it's retained in the traditional Mongolian script.In other words, I was wrong! If you need confirmation, just listen to the recording of a native speaker in the Mongolian dictionary linked. Theknightwho (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per the nominator's comment from yesterday. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:26, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Db-t3/date
- Template:Db-t3/date → Template:Age switch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While this redirect technically meets the WP:G8 criteria (as it is a subpage of a deleted template), I prefer to see it being discussed at RfD. The target template has nothing to do with Template:Db-t3, which was deleted at the end of 2020 as CSD T3 has been repealed. So, the redirect should be deleted. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/ClueBot V (from 2008) suggests that the code may be useful in other circumstances, but even if no other templates currently use that code (a) I don't know whether that will still be true all these years later, and (b) undeletion for the purposes of reviewing the code is something most admins will be happy to do. Thryduulf (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:THEDAYWIKIPEDIATURNSINTO4CHAN
- Wikipedia:THEDAYWIKIPEDIATURNSINTO4CHAN → Wikipedia:April Fools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Notwithstanding my April Fools' participation and my general support for the Day, this low-traffic joke redirect dating from April Fools' 2011 should be deleted for its excessive length. Deletion would not break any pages - even the 2011 April Fools' page - as it is unlinked to. Thanks. NotReallyMoniak (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
2022 European heat wave (disambiguation)
Well-poised
- Well-poised → Well-posed problem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
See Talk:Well-poised. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:NAMECHANGE
- Wikipedia:NAMECHANGE → Wikipedia:Changing username (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think this should be retargeted to Wikipedia:Article titles#Name changes, as with WP:NAMECHANGES. I briefly looked at a lot of the incoming links, and most of them seemed to be typos for the NAMECHANGES redirect. No clear reason why one would be the primary topic or intended retargeting for "name change", and another for "name changes". QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:27, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom, looks like a more suitable target. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A breakup of incoming links per namespace/area is as follows: Talk:24, Talk archives:6, User talk:16, User talk archives:7, WP archives:7, WP talk:1, WP talk archives:2
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- Disambiguate Seems that there's an even split, with the user talk links referring to username changes while talk links are about article name changes. There is no primary topic. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
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District of Colombia
- District of Colombia → Districts of Colombia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Perhaps retarget to Washington, D.C. (maybe with a hatnote) as R from misspelling? The current target is technically more "correct", but it's very obscure and most people who type this in would presumably be looking for Washington DC. Beefaloe (formerly SpursySituation) (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to District of Columbia (disambiguation). BD2412 T 22:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Legitimate uses should trump misspelling. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to District of Columbia (disambiguation). Arguably both targets are misspellings: 'Districts of Colombia' and 'District of Columbia'. The singular 'District' is an unlikely search term for the Colombian article – we have redirects for Districts of London but not for District of London, and for Countries of Europe but not Country of Europe. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:37, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, reasonable redirect from singular, hatnote at target helps misspellers. —Kusma (talk) 17:57, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: It already has a hatnote, real spellings should trump misspellings. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 22:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation. Common misspelling is far more likely than the unnatural grammatical error the current redirect assumes. VanIsaac, MPLL contWpWS 22:38, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation. A typo is probably more probable than a singular of a plural. CLYDEFRANKLIN 22:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Shhnotsoloud. Nothing ungrammatical about the singular: "Riohacha is the northernmost district of Colombia". Redirects aid Wikilinks, not just searchers. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Just because the article title is plural per WP:PLURAL does not mean the singular is an invalid redirect; proper use has priority over a misspelling per the above, and a hatnote exists for those seeking the city. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - If kept, I think District of Columbia (disambiguation) should be added to the hatnote on Districts of Colombia. A7V2 (talk) 02:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep with a hatnote or retarget to District of Columbia (disambiguation)?
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- Move dab page currently at District of Columbia (disambiguation) to title, avoiding both Americentrism and malplacing the dab. NotReallyMoniak (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- No. Note the different spelling Colombia/Columbia. And Washington, D.C. is the clear primary topic for District of Columbia. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep with a hatnote for District of Columbia (disambiguation), as per A7V2. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 17:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Joseph-Joseph Lagrange
- Joseph-Joseph Lagrange → Marie-Joseph Lagrange (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
After conferring with the creator of the redirect and the writer of the article on Marie-Joseph Lagrange, I have come to the conclusion that the redirect was created as a result of a typographical error on the said article and that the name in the redirect does not, in fact, refer to Fr. Lagrange; therefore, the redirect can safely be deleted. Twozenhauer (talk) 02:31, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:54, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
July 22
List of highest-grossing anime films in the United States and Canada
- List of highest-grossing anime films in the United States and Canada → List of highest-grossing films in the United States and Canada#Anime films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target does not list highest-grossing anime films in the United States and Canada. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: This previously redirected to List of highest-grossing animated films in the United States and Canada, a former list article which itself was redirected to the current target last month. There'd be no problem deleting the nominated redirect, alone but if the animated films one (and the several that used to redirect there) is also considered problematic (as there's no such list at the target either), it should be restored and discussed at AfD. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Perelman's theorem
- Perelman's theorem → Poincaré conjecture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
In the discussion at WPM (permanent link ), there seems to be a consensus that there is nothing called Perelman's theorem with any consistency, so I suggest delete the Perelman's theorem. SilverMatsu (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- It seems that a opposite opinion has been added. (permanent link ) --SilverMatsu (talk) 17:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Make into disambiguation page. There are certainly plenty of occurences of the term in the literature. But I would leave it to the mathematics project to construct a meaningful dab page. SpinningSpark 17:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or convert into a disambiguation page. Discussion on WT:WPM makes clear that there are too many different meanings (including Poincaré conjecture, Geometrization conjecture, and Sharafutdinov's retraction, at least) for a simple redirect to work. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Procedural comment: To avoid duplication of the discussion, if WT:WikiProject Mathematics#Move of "Poincaré conjecture" to "Perelman's theorem" can be used to arrive at an outcome, the same can be applied to the redirect, without involving this RfD. Relisting and waiting another week is also fine if it helps send more participants to the WPM discussion. Jay (talk) 17:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Gay, Asian, Immigrant
- Gay, Asian, Immigrant → Dances With Films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is the name of a film screened at the festival, but is not mentioned at the target, nor would it be DUE to do so given the target's current length. Deletion seems appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 19:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ushmey Chakraborty where it is mentioned. Thryduulf (talk) 20:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Eric Blumrich
- Eric Blumrich → Public image of George W. Bush (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Revert to the last article version and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. Speedy deletion templates have been removed by apparently independent editors on two occasions in the past, and the redirection is not a good outcome per this nomination, so it needs to be discussed at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: this targets Public image of George W. Bush because it was redirected to BushFlash, which was redirected to Criticism of George W. Bush, which was redirected to Public image of George W. Bush. - Eureka Lott 21:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The only article where he's currently mentioned is Batman Returns (Atari Lynx video game), but I don't think that would be an appropriate target. Reverting it to a two-sentence unreferenced version would be unproductive, because it would stand zero chance at WP:AFD. - Eureka Lott 23:59, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Given that speedy deletion has been rejected twice previously, deletion is by definition not uncontroversial and so we can only delete it via consensus (absent something like a copyvio which this isn't), which for an article can only come from AfD. That this consensus is all-but guaranteed is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 00:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is a deletion discussion, and we can make a decision here. This specific scenario is described at WP:SNOWBALL. I declined the recent speedy deletion nomination because the redirect didn't meet WP:R3, not because it's a valuable page. - Eureka Lott 00:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- The R3 decline isn't relevant. What is relevant is that we would be deleting an article at RfD - there are only two cases where that is appropriate: (1) when the article was redirected with consensus (this wasn't), (2) when it would be speedily deletable as an article (this isn't, as previously explained WP:CSD explicitly prohibits speedy deletion in this case). WP:SNOWBALL cannot apply unless and until there are an overwhelming number of !votes in favour of a specific outcome, and given the RfD is 2:1 after 3 votes and the AfD is 0:0 after 0 we are not in snowball territory. Given that deletion as an article has been opposed in the past we cannot assume that there will be no opposition when it is actually properly nominated for deletion. I know you don't like this, but policy applies whether you like it or not. Thryduulf (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is a deletion discussion, and we can make a decision here. This specific scenario is described at WP:SNOWBALL. I declined the recent speedy deletion nomination because the redirect didn't meet WP:R3, not because it's a valuable page. - Eureka Lott 00:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- I strongly oppose restoring this, it is wholly inappropriate for mainspace. Other than that I am fine with deletion per Eureka Lott (and subsequent reply) or a retarget to Batman Returns (Atari Lynx video game), where I think there is just enough information there where I'd be comfortable with a redirect, given this is the only mention on Wikipedia. -- Tavix (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 4#Erin Sheehan. -- Tavix (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Ana Đurić
American Beauty (color)
- American Beauty (color) → Rose (color)#American Rose (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The word "American" is not mentioned in the target article; the word "American" is also not in Shades of rose. I could not find a retargeting option for this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 19:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. It's doubtless intended to refer to Rosa 'American Beauty', but having "(color)" in the redirect name is misleading and is very unlikely to be used as a search term. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Khaka
Multiple possible targets: Khakha (where it currently links), Khakas (plural of Khaka) and Ayabonga Khaka. Not sure what best target is, either to Khakas or DAB page seems sensible. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is not going to be a clear primary target for a possible spelling error for multiple targets. BD2412 T 22:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ayabonga Khaka as {{R from surname}} and hatnote for any spelling errors. Correct spellings should take precedent over misnomers. In particular, Khakas is singular; the final s is not the English plural marker. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 07:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and let Search do its job: this redirect is currently getting in the way. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Shhhnotsoloud: I have no faith in Search doing the job, particularly where there are likely close spelling variations to consider. BD2412 T 06:02, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget, delete, or DAB?
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Mint (credit cards)
- Mint (credit cards) → NatWest Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no mention of Mint, and therefore no substantive information, at the target Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Intuit Mint. Not the original use of the term, which is an apparently defunct UK brand of credit cards, but is a plausible disambiguator for the proposed target. Otherwise, given the multiple past
BLARsAfds and the WP:BLAR, the only other viable option would be to restore article to its most recent version and send to Afd. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Alternatively, keeping would be valid if a mention of the brand can be added at NatWest Group#History. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Multiple possible options here.
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Survival arms
- Survival arms → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Survival arm → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Survival weapon → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Survival gun → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Survival rifle → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aircraft survival weapon → M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, usage on the internet, Google Scholar, and Google Books does not suggest that the term is equivalent to the current target. The most common results are false-positives such as ...survival. Arms...
and medical literature where this is a term of art for clinical outcome patterns. Within the field of firearms, it still does not appear to unambiguously refer to a varmint rifle, with most results either being about companies named Survival Arms or descriptions of "aircrew survival arms" that are not limited to this sort of rifle. Survival weapon, meanwhile, again primarily seems to refer to "aircrew survival" contexts, and appears to refer to a wide range of light weaponry not limited to a varmint rifle ([5], [6]). In the absence of evidence that the search term refers to any target in particular, deletion seems appropriate, although many of these would be appropriate redirects to Aircraft survival weapon, a likely notable topic. signed, Rosguill talk 17:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete in the absence of a reliable source. I am unaware of any widespread use of these terms to refer to the type of rifles typical used for varmint shooting. Thewellman (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I'm also confirming nom's findings of "survival. arms" and the company "Survival Arms" hits. --Lenticel (talk) 06:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Retargetto M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon, or a similar article like Armalite AR-5. 53zodiac (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)- Per the investigation I detailed in the initial nomination, the M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon does not appear to be the only aircrew survival weapon, and my sense is that the topic is better served by a general article covering the category of weapon rather than redirecting to a specific model. signed, Rosguill talk 20:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also, please don't remove tags from redirects or change their targets while discussion is ongoing: it makes it much more difficult for additional participants to join the discussion, and the current state of discussion does not suggest that you currently have a consensus for the change of targets you implemented. signed, Rosguill talk 20:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Per the investigation I detailed in the initial nomination, the M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon does not appear to be the only aircrew survival weapon, and my sense is that the topic is better served by a general article covering the category of weapon rather than redirecting to a specific model. signed, Rosguill talk 20:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: relisting to include Aircraft survival weapon
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I'm starting a disambiguation article for Aircrew survival rifle, with the potential to expand in the future. Survival rifle, survival weapon and survival arm should redirect there. 53zodiac (talk) 21:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
So much talk, but nothing is done. I'm going to redirect these entries to aircrew survival weapon rather than waste any more time waiting for opinions. 53zodiac (talk) 20:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's appropriate to wait for a discussion to be closed before taking action, otherwise the action may end up being a waste of time, not sure what you're complaining about here. signed, Rosguill talk 19:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- True, making changes midway only confuses the discussion. A non-admin close is fine but has to be from a non-involved editor. I have undone the changes. Jay (talk) 02:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm complaining about the pointlessness of having a discussion in the first place. Why can't somebody simply change the redirects to a more relevant article? 53zodiac (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. All of these terms are ambiguous ad the current targets are likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to 53zodiac's drafted Aircrew survival weapon. Jay (talk) 03:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The newly created DAB does not feature most of these entries mentioned here, so deletion would be best for avoiding confusion. CycloneYoris talk! 00:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @CycloneYoris: which entry is not mentioned in the DAB? Is it the current target the Varmint rifle, but that article doesn't have a mention as survival weapon (although the citations provided in the nomination do)? Jay (talk) 02:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jay: Yes, the Varmint rifle is missing. But I'm also referring to the fact that the casual reader may not be aware that all of these "Survival weapon" redirects are synonymous with the entries mentioned at the DAB. CycloneYoris talk! 07:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Won't the retarget to the dab make them aware? Or is your concern about the specific wording of "aircrew" and you are looking for some kind of rewording of the lead at the dab? Jay (talk) 07:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, I understand the dab is only a draft and some improvements can still be made; but I'm not entirely convinced it would helpful to retarget these redirects there. CycloneYoris talk! 11:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Won't the retarget to the dab make them aware? Or is your concern about the specific wording of "aircrew" and you are looking for some kind of rewording of the lead at the dab? Jay (talk) 07:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jay: Yes, the Varmint rifle is missing. But I'm also referring to the fact that the casual reader may not be aware that all of these "Survival weapon" redirects are synonymous with the entries mentioned at the DAB. CycloneYoris talk! 07:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @CycloneYoris: which entry is not mentioned in the DAB? Is it the current target the Varmint rifle, but that article doesn't have a mention as survival weapon (although the citations provided in the nomination do)? Jay (talk) 02:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting to get the proposed dab page checked on.
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- Possibly retarget to Survivalism, which mentions 'armed survivalism'. Verbcatcher (talk) 10:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Survival knife exists and is a bladed weapon. So "weapon", "arm", "arms" does not just mean guns. Astronauts once were equipped with the NASA survival knife in their Mercury capsules. Older eras, there's pioneer swords and bowie knives. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Survival kit, where various weapons, arms are mentioned -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting again for the consideration of survivalism and survival kit as possible other targets for some of these.
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Extreme prejudice
- Extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Terminate with extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Terminate, with extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Terminate... with extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- With extreme prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Extreme Prejudice → Summary execution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This now redirects to Summary execution but there is no mention of "extreme prejudice" in that article, and it is not immediately obvious why it redirects there. Pinging @MB:. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation). I have been meaning to sort this out. "Extreme prejudice" is slang or jargon for summary execution or assassination, supposedly originating from the within the CIA. This should be added to the Summary execution article, with a source. However, the redirect at Extreme prejudice should probably be retargetted to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation), with the appropriate adjustments to the disambiguation page. Verbcatcher (talk) 10:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Verbcatcher: Extreme prejudice cannot redirect to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) because that would be WP:MALPLACED: an appropriate option would be to move Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) (back) to Extreme prejudice. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Shhhnotsoloud:, you are probably correct. I wasn't clear on how this should be handled, which I why I held back from rearranging the redirects when I added the hatnote to Summary execution. The article on the film Apocalypse Now says that it introduced the film to phrase to the public, citing a paywalled New York Times page. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Verbcatcher: Extreme prejudice cannot redirect to Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) because that would be WP:MALPLACED: an appropriate option would be to move Extreme prejudice (disambiguation) (back) to Extreme prejudice. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Bundling 5 related. Courtesy pings @Shhhnotsoloud and Verbcatcher. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 11:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Terminate with extreme prejudice is a former stub that was redirected to Summary execution following AfD (though the closure did remark, "Or elsewhere as subsequent discussion may determine".) The full phrase is the more common manifestation of this usage, so it should either be kept as a redirect to Summary execution, or converted to a soft redirect to Wiktionary:terminate with extreme prejudice. All the long variants should follow the same. The case for Extreme prejudice is weaker; I'd agree with Verbcatcher and suggest to revert MB's bold move, restoring the disambig at Extreme prejudice. Failing that, the disambiguation should be at Extreme Prejudice (capitalised), as the WP:DIFFCAPS would indicate either of the fictional works to be the sought topic. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- To choose a position and clarify, Move disambig back to Extreme prejudice and retarget Extreme Prejudice there. Soft redirect Terminate with extreme prejudice to Wiktionary, and retarget the others there. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Keep or soft redirect the "Terminate" redirects?
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Folly (color)
Natalie Mariduena
- Natalie Mariduena → David Dobrik (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
David Dobrik is a separate person who, although being associated with Mariduena, is not Mariduena. If a Vlog Squad page existed this would make sense, but such page does not exist. Gtag10 (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unhelpful and misleading. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 11:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to David Dobrik#The Vlog Squad as it is the best place for the Vlog squad in the absence of a separate article on the squad. Jay (talk) 08:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Refine to David Dobrik#The Vlog Squad, as Mariduena is mentioned there. signed, Rosguill talk 18:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- She is mentioned briefly but there is no substantive content about her on the subpage. I think maybe drafting a Vlog Squad article might be a good idea, but in the meantime, she shouldn't be on Dobrik's page. Gtag10 (talk) 05:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Gtag10: By subpage, I assume you meant page section. The Vlog Squad used to be an article until redirected to David Dobrik via consensus at WP:Articles for deletion/The Vlog Squad. If there have been notable changes in the last year, and someone puts up a standalone article that is approved, then we can retarget Natalie Mariduena when that happens. Jay (talk) 06:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- She is mentioned briefly but there is no substantive content about her on the subpage. I think maybe drafting a Vlog Squad article might be a good idea, but in the meantime, she shouldn't be on Dobrik's page. Gtag10 (talk) 05:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: One more go ... consensus still not clear, but it doesn't seem as though the status quo is appropriate either ...
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Cisgender sexuality
- Cisgender sexuality → Human sexuality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Cisgender is a gender identity, not a sexual orientation. TraderCharlotte (talk) 03:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: The human sexuality article is in no way limited to people who identify as cisgender, nor does it have a specific section on it. I can't find a suitable alternative target that refers specifically to the sexuality of cisgender-identifying people. ― Tartan357 Talk 05:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above; no good target, not applicable to current target. Crossroads -talk- 18:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Shouldn't we have an article on this topic? In any case, I would think that Cisgender would be the best target. The distinction about cisgender not being a sexual orientation can be explained in the article, for those who may be confused. BD2412 T 21:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Cisgender. The term is thrown around a lot by the LGBTQ+ crowd, so it's easy to see why someone might mistake it for a sexuality. The article will explain the mistake, but the redirect is still useful. Fieari (talk) 05:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:REDYES. Per BD2412, cisgender people's sexuality is a valid encyclopedic topic, much like transgender sexuality. Unlike BD, though, I don't see the Cisgender article, as it currently stands—written about the term cisgender rather than the concept of being cisgender—as a reasonable target, as it contains no content about the sexuality of cisgender people. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 12:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete – no good target. Mathglot (talk) 09:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The title is pretty much useless as it conflates gender and sexuality in a confusing and nonsensical way. I don't think the retargeting to cisgender suggested above is necessary but I don't object to it either. It would be an improvement on what we have now. If people think that it is plausibly useful then we can have it but personally I doubt that it is useful. --DanielRigal (talk) 15:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Inappropriate target and no good target, per Tartan357, Crossroads, Mathglot etc. Funcrunch (talk) 20:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per all other delete !voters. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 17:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Leopard Catfish
- Leopard Catfish → Threestripe corydoras (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Leopard catfish → Threestripe corydoras (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Can also refer to Corydoras julii. TraderCharlotte (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. It can also refer to Perrunichthys perruno, and none of these is the primary topic. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Tryptofish. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Leopard catfish, which should be the disambiguation page. William Avery (talk) 07:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Leopard catfish is currently the redirect, not a target. It would be a good pagename (not a redirect at all) for the DAB page. Currently it targets to Threestripe corydoras, (Corydoras trilineatus), which is only one of the three coequal topics. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Following up, I think the idea is to make Leopard catfish a DAB page, that lists Threestripe corydoras, Corydoras julii, and Perrunichthys perruno, with no primary topic (in case that isn't clear). --Tryptofish (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Bundled the lowercased Leopard catfish. A disambiguation page can be drafted there.
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- Disambiguate. As per Tryptofish. 47.132.83.21 (talk) 15:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Apeiron (physics journal)
- Apeiron (physics journal) → Apeiron (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Meant to be a redirect to Apeiron (disambiguation), which does not mention it. No other article seems to discuss this journal. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- It used to mention it. I've restored the entries. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. There used to be an article about the journal that was deleted per an Afd. Per nom, there is currently no content or mention of the journal on enwiki to point the redirect to, and therefore no valid entry for the journal can be made at the dab page, and it would be inappropriate to target the dab page in any case, since it is not an ambiguous term. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Dar ul Iftah
- Dar ul Iftah → Jamiat Ul Mominat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Darul Ifta's are sub-institutes present in several Islamic seminaries. Darul Uloom Deoband has an old Darul Ifta, there are Darul Ifta's in Darul Uloom Karachi and several other institutes globally. Jamiat Ul Mominat having a Darul Ifta doesn't legitimate this redirect to Jamiat Ul Mominat. ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do not redirect Both are entirly different topics to redirect. Darul Ifta is a department of Islamic Jurisprudence that offers guidance and fatwas, most of the Islamic seminary have own Darul Ifta such as Darul Uloom Deoband, Darul Uloom Karachi, Dar al-Ifta al-Misriyyah etc. Where as Jamiat Ul Mominat is an individual Female seminary.--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Omer123hussain, Do you mean that we should delete the redirect at Dar ul Iftah? ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ TheAafi, I mean Dar ul Iftah should not be rediredt to Jamiat Ul Mominat or vis versa, becuase both are different topic. So both need to be kept as independant articles. :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 06:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- @ TheAafi, we can add text and cite it, but redirecting "Dar ul Iftah" to Jamiat Ul Mominat, I think is like redirecting School of Fine Arts to University for the Creative Arts :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, we can simply turn it into a disambiguation page mentioning all major institutions that have Darul Ifta's. Certain Darul Ifta's are definitely notable. I'll try making one in a draft. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please make this redirect to Darul Ifta. Thanks, ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well, we can simply turn it into a disambiguation page mentioning all major institutions that have Darul Ifta's. Certain Darul Ifta's are definitely notable. I'll try making one in a draft. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ TheAafi, we can add text and cite it, but redirecting "Dar ul Iftah" to Jamiat Ul Mominat, I think is like redirecting School of Fine Arts to University for the Creative Arts :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Darul Ifta {{R from alternative spelling}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Yesso
- Yesso → Ainu people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I can't find anything called Yesso in direct connection to the Ainu — search indicates it is a historical name for Hokkaido, among various other uses. Should I retarget to that page, or disambiguate between Hokkaido and Diego Yesso? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: I am only familiar with Yezo and Ezo as referring to the northern Ainu / Hokkaido. See also wikt:蝦夷#Japanese. While there is a geminate "s" in Japanese, I have never seen one in any name for the Ainu or Hokkaido. And while there are terms yesso / esso in Japanese, those do not refer to the Ainu or Hokkaido:
- 越訴 -- usually read osso (or in older texts, wosso), refers to a kind of legal suit that goes directly to a higher authority and bypasses lower courts. Made illegal since ancient times.
- 越俎 -- refers to the act of going beyond one's duties or mandate and interfering in the work of another. Rare term, may be obsolete in modern usage.
- Dictionary entries for both visible here at Weblio (in Japanese).
- Looking further just now, I cannot find any Japanese-language sources that use the term Yesso or Esso to refer to either the Ainu or Hokkaido: only Yezo (in archaic usage) or Ezo (in modern usage, since phonologically the mora ye merged with e).
- → Ultimately, I think this redirection is a mistake. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete as nonexistent name per Eirikr.— Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate between
HokkaidoEzo and Diego Yesso.
Eirikr is correct that in Japanese language there are no hits for esso (えっそ) or archaic yesso (𛀁っそ) related to Ainu or Hokkaido, but that is only if following modern romanisation conventions. We need to take into account archaic usage as well, from before romanisation was standardised, or from European explorers transcribing local place names inaccurately. Yesso is listed at wikt:Ezo#Alternative_forms and is mentioned in the lead of Hokkaido. Here is a 1878 map that uses Yesso. A web search will find derived uses such as "Yesso scallop" (google) and "Yesso spruce" (google). This would qualify Yesso as a redirect to Hokkaido as a historical usage or under "likely misspelling" criteria. However, vote to disambiguate due to existence of other article, since the historical usage is not important enough to justify treating Hokkaido as primary article. Also pinging mello to reconsider their vote. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 05:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- @2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730, I note that the lede at Hokkaido is sourced to a reference that does not actually list Yesso (bold italics mine):
Hokkaido. The northernmost of the four largest islands in the Japanese archipelago, and the second largest in area after Honshu, from which it is separated by the Tsugaru Strait. ... In the past called Ezo, Watari-shima, Yeddo, and Yezo, it has been called Hokkaido since only 1869. ...
- Digging through the page history, I see that the Yesso variant was originally added without any reference back in December 2006 by Pinkville (talk · contribs), who appears to be still active. @2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730, your historical map link is much more definitively useful.
- I would stress that any such list of former names should specify where such names were not actually used in Japanese. As noted above, differences in transcription schemes, and different routes of transmission for names, could give rise to some quite divergent spellings. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 07:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think your concerns are best addressed by edits to Hokkaido and/or Ezo. If the inline cited source doesn't support Yesso you can apply {{failed verification}} or just add the 1878 map or other source as support. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 08:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, that goes back a bit. I don't recall the edit, but I'm confident it comes from the caption of a photo or photos taken in the 19th century in Japan by foreign or even Japanese photographers. I'll see if I can find an example. Pinkville (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, so here's an unambiguous reference:
- https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-Geological-Survey-Map-of-the-Island-of-Yesso-Hokkaido-produced-by-the-Colonization_fig13_282015467 Pinkville (talk) 23:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I would disambiguate because of the existence of Diego etc. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Hokkaido is not being seen as the primary topic. However, there has not been any opinion about Diego Yesso as a primary topic. Do we treat them the same, or do we hatnote?
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- Comment/correction I neglected that there is a separate article for Ezo, which would be the more appropriate DAB target. Have amended my vote. Sorry for missing that earlier.
- Re: the relisting comment, do not hatnote. Diego doesn't have a monopoly on their last name, and I'm not confident from a quick glance that the article would survive AfD since WP:FOOTYN was superseded.
- — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 08:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Apocalypse
- Template:Apocalypse → Template:X-Men characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The X-Men character is not the main topic for the word Apocalypse ★Trekker (talk) 05:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Template:Global catastrophic risks which has links to both apocalypse and apocalyptic literature --Lenticel (talk) 06:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete, no clear use for navbox redirects. Retargetting will make some old page versions weird, so I would prefer keeping to retargetting. —Kusma (talk) 13:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- Revert
and send to TFDper WP:BLAR. This previously was a navbox template, and there's been edit warring about whether it should exist or not.That's an issue that can be discussed at TFD.- Eureka Lott 13:52, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, strike that last part. All of the users involved in the edit war have been blocked as sockpuppets. I think we can simply reinstate the template. - Eureka Lott 14:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
July 21
Cocompact
- Cocompact → Cocompact group action (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Looks like this needs to be disambiguated with cocompact embedding, cocompact lattice, and cocompact Coxeter group. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation --Lenticel (talk) 00:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support disambiguation. I'm not sure by what criteria it is decided which proposed edits need to be discussed on such a page as this before they are done. I would have gone ahead and made the page into a disambiguation page rather than posting here. I've done that on previous occasions. Michael Hardy (talk) 00:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. NotReallyMoniak (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or soft redirect to wikt:cocompact. There is nothing to disambiguate: all of the nom's quoted terms are WP:Partial title matches. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Magnesium-L-threonate
- Magnesium-L-threonate → Magnesium#Biological roles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnesium threonate → Magnesium#Biological roles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnesium L-threonate → Magnesium#Biological roles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Magnesium l-threonate → Magnesium#Biological (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention in article Qwv (talk) 21:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I have added athree related redirect to the nomination. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note that Magnesium L-threonate used to host an article that was redirected by ChemNerd (now blocked) in 2014 with minimal content merged; mention of the compound was apparently subsequently removed. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
2014 Ukrainian Civil War
- 2014 Ukrainian Civil War → War in Donbas (2014–2022) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2014 Ukrainian civil war → War in Donbas (2014–2022) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ukraine Civil War (2014) → War in Donbas (2014–2022) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Violate WP:NPOV, the term is not commonly used in reliable sources. BlackBony (talk) 20:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The title is captured by the disambiguation page Ukrainian Civil War anyway. These redirects with paranthetic disambiguation are unlikely to be typed as a search and serve no purpose. —Michael Z. 13:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support retargeting. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
World Open Chinese Studies Journal
- World Open Chinese Studies Journal → Category:World Current Research Publishing academic journals (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Odd unused WP:XNR that links to a category without the CAT: pseudoprefix. Also, this is a bit of a surprising redirect, so I think delete. I did not know there was a much larger discussion about this at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31#Category:Academic journal categories containing exclusively redirects. I am withdrawing my nomination in favor of keep TartarTorte 14:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TartarTorte There are nearly 4,000 redirects from various journal titles to this category, see Current Research Publishing academic journals&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1&limit=500. These also appear to have been created as part of a bot task - Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/TokenzeroBot 6. Something doesn't seem right here, it seems the intention was to create redirects to the article on the publisher, but since the publisher itself is a redirect to this category they were created as category redirects instead? I really don't see the point of a category full of redirects that link back to the category, the category serves no useful navigational purpose and the redirects do not get readers to any kind of particularly useful content about the journal or its publisher (a page which says the publisher was on Beall's List but isn't notable enough for a proper article isn't particularly great). 192.76.8.85 (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep per previous discussion. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31#Category:Academic journal categories containing exclusively redirects. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Why on earth would this qualify for speedy keeping? First of all - something being nominated for deletion in the past does not make it exempt from ever being nominated for deletion again. Secondly that discussion was about the category, not the redirects contained within it. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 15:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- The discussion was both about the redirects and the categories, and everyone in that discussion understood that. And a speedy because the rationale is ill-considered, and there is nothing special about World Open Chinese Studies Journal that doesn't also apply to the tens of thousand of other redirects and the dozens of categories concerned. Any legitimate discussion needs to focus on the bulk situation, not on World Open Chinese Studies Journal. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. These categories which include only redirects to themselves were already discussed previously. (They were discussed as categories for deletion, but the points remain largely the same.) In short: they are here to redirect users who look for journals used in Wikipedia citations. Because citations are such a crucial part of Wikipedia, for questionable/predatory/deceptive journals/publishers, we'd like to present the user with a short information about that (of course with citations and with regular oversight from people working on the WP:CITEWATCH project and everyone else). There are no articles even for the publishers because they are not notable, there's nothing else to say about them. The format (mainspace redirects to a category) is unusual, but not against any rules and so far I haven't seen a significantly better proposal. See the previous discussion for details. Tokenzero (talk) 16:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I would be ok with withdrawing if that's good with IP. In nominating the page I had not come across the discussion linked above. TartarTorte 18:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Having read the previous discussion and the responses above I am unconvinced that this is a useful redirect. If these are supposed to be a tool for editors then they belong in behind the scenes project space, possibly as part of some kind of "list of predatory journals to avoid". As it stands these are in reader facing article space, and I do not think that sending readers to a dead end category is useful. If a topic is not notable enough for an article then they don't get an article, creating a "Pseudo-article" as a category page so you don't have to follow notability guidelines is just gaming the system. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 18:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, echoing my !vote in the linked CfD and affirming that I still agree with the deletion arguments there. -- Tavix (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per previous discussion. Also, given the usefulness of these cats/redirects, this is one of the extremely rare cases where I invoke WP:IAR. (Which is probably not even necessary, as this is not against any rules). --Randykitty (talk) 07:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: the reader is offered useful information at the Category page, and these categories provide an elegant way in which we can inform readers about a large number of journals for which we have a nugget of useful information (basically: "likely to be predatory") but which do not merit individual articles. PamD 07:56, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per PamD, at least until there is a possible article space target. —Kusma (talk) 09:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
The Secret Agent (documentary)
- The Secret Agent (documentary) → Criticism of the BBC#Secret Agent documentary (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This documentary does not appear to be mentioned in the article - redlink in order to encourage article creation? QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- The section in the target article has been renamed since this redirect was created, updated to reflect current name Smurfr (talk) 20:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy Retarget Criticism of the BBC#Secret Agent biased documentary against British National Party. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:20, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
American Vulture
- American Vulture → Neophrontops (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seems like an ambiguous redirect to me. Most people would probably be thinking of New World vultures rather than this obscure extinct genus Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think that was the common name used by the La Brea tar pits museum (in a list of taxa found there). I don't think it should get deleted, but could redirect elsewhere if necessary. FunkMonk (talk) 14:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to New World vulture. People who search this term are more likely looking for New World vultures rather than the obscure extinct genus. 47.132.83.21 (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Univeristy of Klausenburg
- Univeristy of Klausenburg → Franz Joseph University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This name is not mentioned in the article. NotReallySoroka (talk) 16:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- The typo makes it unlikely, but "Klausenburg" is German for Kolozsvár/Cluj-Napoca. —Kusma (talk) 20:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Franz Joseph University was founded as the Hungarian Royal University of Klausenberg (or Hungarian Royal University of Kolozsvár) in what is now is now Cluj-Napoca, Romania. The redirect University of Klausenburg is used in Arnold Müller and Josef von Fodor. This form with its typo does not seem very useful though. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Match Game (Home Game)
- Match Game (Home Game) → Match Game#Home games (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Nothing links here. Majority of game show articles do not have separate article for home game merchandise. AldezD (talk) 03:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The redirect exists because it traces back to the fact that there was a separate article for the home game merchandise that was created in 2007. It was originally named Match Game (Home Game) before I moved it to Match Game (home game) in order to fix the capitalization in 2009. Back then, keeping that resulting redirect instead of deleting it was not a big deal. And likely back then, there probably were links directly to the original page with the upper case. There are no links now because after it was merged to Match Game#Home games in 2010, all those resulting double redirects had to be fixed. Now in 2022, I am neutral whether to delete that resulting redirect with the upper case "Home Game", if that is what the current consensus is, under today's interpretation of WP:RFD#DELETE. However, the redirect with the lower case "home game" definitely still needs to be kept per WP:ATTREQ and WP:RFD#KEEP as a result of the page merge. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per K1 and Zzyzx11. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:47, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:UO
- Wikipedia:UO → Wikipedia:Neutral point of view (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
To be honest, I don't know exactly what uo means, much less why it redirect to npov. Q𝟤𝟪 08:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- When this was created in 2004, it linked to a section that defined it as standing for "Un-verifiable/falsifiable Opinion". See also WP:UVO. - Eureka Lott 09:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep we always need to be very cautious when deleting or retargetting shortcut redirects, because there is a high chance of causing confusion (or worse) by changing the meaning of old discussions (including unlined uses) and edit summaries. However in this case it is essentially unused with the only non-mention link being Wikipedia talk:Neutral point of view/Archive 019#But POV is bad, isn't it? from 2006 (and the context there is clear so the risk of confusion is low). However, I landed at weak keep because I'm not seeing any obvious benefit from deletion - if the proposal was to use the shortcut for something else I'd say go ahead and allow usurping, but no such alternative use is mentioned and I'm not aware of anything this would be a logical shortcut for. Thryduulf (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Currently does not link to any conversations. See Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:UO. Most of the links are the result of this discussion. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:TABLOIB
- Wikipedia:TABLOIB → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect looks misspelled, and the closest I can get to the word is tabloid. Q𝟤𝟪 07:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, doesn't appear to be a likely typo and has never been used. ~~
- Delete unlikely misspelling --Lenticel (talk) 00:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete unlikely misspelling Atlantic306 (talk) 01:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unintuitive. NotReallyMoniak (talk) 14:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:CHG
- Wikipedia:CHG → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I really, really can't think of a way to abbreviate exactly what phrase this redirect is. Q𝟤𝟪 07:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment this was created as a redirect to Wikipedia:Changelog, which was intended as a list of major changes to Wikipedia policy, process and guideline pages. A good idea that never got off the ground - it had only two entries from December 2005 when it was userfied to User:Radiant!/Changelog and the title redirected to What Wikipedia is not following a 2019 MfD. The shortcut was changed at the same time to avoid a double redirect, the edit summary citing WP:CHANGELOG and WP:NOTCHANGELOG (which have pointed to WP:NOT since 2012 and 2011 respectively). Getting off topic, but the idea of a changelog has recently been resurrected as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/administrators. Thryduulf (talk) 09:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and free the name for future use by the revival, if needed. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:30, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Change since "CHG" is a plausible abbreviation for "change". NotReallyMoniak (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Mark Taylor (television)
- Mark Taylor (television) → Mark Taylor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unclear how this redirect refers to any topic on its target disambiguation page. (Heck, I apparently didn't even think it represented the article I moved from this title; maybe there was a topic at the disambiguation page back in 2020 ... not sure, but if there was, it doesn't seem like it is there anymore.) Steel1943 (talk) 04:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Firstly it's a {{R from move}} so we should not just casually delete the redirect. Secondly, it seems a not-implausible search term for Mark Taylor (animation director) (the article this was the original title of), Mark Taylor (Canadian actor), Mark L. Taylor, Mark Taylor (Home Improvement) and Mark Taylor (cricketer) who have all had some notable involvement with television. Thryduulf (talk) 10:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Melonfarmer
- Melonfarmer → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article. I assume this redirect is an example of the subject of the target article, but not an alternative name for the subject of the target article, which leaves the existence of this redirect misleading. Elsewhere on Wikipedia, the only other article which mentions this term in a section other than the "References" section is Joanne Mitchell, but the subject of "Melonfarmer" in that article seems to be some sort of theater production. Steel1943 (talk) 00:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Also seems to be the name of several referenced websites in en.wiki.--Lenticel (talk) 01:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Fudge (euphemism)
- Fudge (euphemism) → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
In the previous nomination from 2020, this redirect was retargeted to Minced oath since the redirect was mentioned at the aforementioned article; it is no longer mentioned. As it stands, the redirect is misleading since it is an example of a minced oath, but not an alternative name for the subject "minced oath". Steel1943 (talk) 00:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fuck#Common alternatives, which both mentions the word and is a more relevant place anyhow. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:59, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
July 20
Frig (word)
- Frig (word) → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Frig (interjection) → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Frigged → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Friggin → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Friggin' → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Frigging → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Frigs → Minced oath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 4 § Frig (interjection) – retarget all to new article Frig (interjection)
Well, here we are again about 7 years later. Please refer to the old discussion from 2015 for the details. Since then, Frig (interjection) was moved to Frig (word), then in 2020, Frig (word) was redirected to Minced oath as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frig (word). (It has been over two years, and no merge ever occurred, apparently.) And since then, the creator of the aforementioned article, as well as most of these redirects, was blocked and given their own WP:CSD that was active for a few years: WP:X1. My rationale for deleting these is the same as it was back in 2015: These are examples of minced oaths, not the alternative names for the subject "minced oaths". And as it was last time, these redirects are not even mentioned in the target article. (Also, for precedence, on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 4, there are several other redirects to Minced oath I nominated that day that were either deleted or retargeted to a page unrelated to Minced oath.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I did not include Frigger from the previous nomination since it has a different, and apparently plausible, target. Steel1943 (talk) 00:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Frigs can be redirected to FRIGS. Or should FRIGS be moved to Frigs? Peter James (talk) 14:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget all except Frigs to Fuck#Common alternatives, a more directly relevant topic. Frigs may be retargeted to FRIGS per Peter James. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
SEPTA Night
- SEPTA Night → SEPTA City Transit Division surface routes#SEPTA Owl Link (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I initially retargeted this to Owl Service, but there really isn't a great target for this. It was initially targeting SEPTA subway–surface trolley lines, before my retarget. This doesn't really seem to refer to any specific concept and I cannot find anything to back it up as a nickname for the subway-surface, so I think deletion is the best route. TartarTorte 23:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Lars Terenius
- Lars Terenius → Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine#Former members (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I would like this already redirected page to be deleted because it makes it extremely difficult to search for any other pages regarding Lars Terenius. 66.194.72.22 (talk) 21:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
1922 film & 2002 film & 2012 film
- 1922 film → 1922 (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2002 film → 2002 in film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 2012 film → 2012 (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
For the sake of consistency, these redirects should either target 1922 in film, 2002 in film, and 2012 in film respectively, or 1922 (disambiguation)#Arts, entertainment, and media (there are multiple films titled "1922"), 2002 (film), and 2012 (film) respectively. My preference is retarget to the "YEAR in film" titles since disambiguation is a Wikipedia invention, but ensure there are hatnotes on those articles referencing the other set of articles respectively (in either of the aforementioned presented options). Steel1943 (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget 2002 film to 2002 (film); Delete 1922 film; Keep 2012 film: I think that for consistency's sake it makes sense to pick one convention, and from my view someone typing 2012 film or 2002 film is more likely looking for the movie by that name than that year in film. The reason to delete 1922 is to maintain consistency. As there is no proper target to maintain consistency, that should be deleleted. TartarTorte 20:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retargat 1922 to 1922 (disambiguation)#Arts, entertainment, and media, 2002 to 2002 (film) and keep 2012. If someone is searching for the title of a film followed by the word film, we should always take them to the article about the specific film with that film or, if there are multiple films with that name, to where they are disambiguated. Hatnotes can and should be used to the much less plausible (but not implausible) year in film articles. What we should absolutely not do is delete, because that offers literally no benefits to anybody while making it harder for people to find every target they could be looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- "If someone is searching for the title of a film followed by the word film" - only if the film is also a year and shares its title with a topic related to that year, or should it be the same for any film title? Any reason a search for the ambiguous "2002 film" should go straight to a specific, and not well known, film whereas "Empire of the Sun film" doesn't, and there isn't even a hatnote from Thin film to Thin (film). The redirect of 1922 film to a page with no link to 1922 in film was not an improvement. If there is consensus that these are more likely to be film titles, there should be a bot that creates redirects from "[name of film] film" and "[name of film] movie" for every film and adds hatnotes or disambiguation pages where the title is not a redirect. Peter James (talk) 23:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget all to "XYZ-year in film" as common sense meaning, since it isn't "the film named 2012" or "the film 2012" it is "2012 film" which means "film released in 2012" which is found at "2012 in film" -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:16, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Federal Republic of Lostisland
- Federal Republic of Lostisland → Alexander Island#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Neither "Lostisland" nor federal republics of any kind are mentioned at the target. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:17, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Xavier Alexander Musk
- Xavier Alexander Musk → Elon Musk#Marriages, dating life, and children (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Former name of Musk's daughter ([7]) not mentioned at the target. Delete unless consensus changes to include mention of her former name. signed, Rosguill talk 19:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- What is the protocol on Wikipedia for including that kind of information? I would not want to accidentally commit "deadnaming" if I were to try and include her former name. QRep2020 (talk) 20:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep The individual in question is mentioned in the text, though not by name. Unless there's a policy I'm unaware of, redirecting from a former name of a transgender individual seems fine (e.g. Bruce Jenner redirects to Caitlyn Jenner). Either her current or former name both seem like plausible search terms to me. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. I have not done much editing in this topic but I think probably delete per former name per WP:DEADNAME:
If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name (a deadname), it should not be included in any page (including lists, redirects, ...)
(bold mine). I believe, unlike Jenner, that Musk's daughter in question was notable under their former/deadname and I'm not sure it's notable now since enough RS are not including it? Skynxnex (talk) 02:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)- What makes the new name notable though, if I may, is the fact that she used to "be" a Musk but now not only has adopted a new surname but has stated she wants nothing to do with her father and whatever is associated with being a Musk. As for the privacy concerns, every single article about the matter I have come across features both names, and there are a lot of them as one would expect. QRep2020 (talk) 08:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if she/her new name is notable or not but this is about her deadname. Redirects of non-notable things to aid searches are definitely done, but WP:DEADNAME seems to disallow that for non-notable deadnames. But this definitely seems like an edge case not directly fitting the examples given of either a famous person who was famous and changed their name and are still famous (Jenner) or someone who was unknown, changed their name, and then got notable (Rachel Levine). Skynxnex (talk) 12:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- What makes the new name notable though, if I may, is the fact that she used to "be" a Musk but now not only has adopted a new surname but has stated she wants nothing to do with her father and whatever is associated with being a Musk. As for the privacy concerns, every single article about the matter I have come across features both names, and there are a lot of them as one would expect. QRep2020 (talk) 08:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not here to spread rumors or fallacies, but I do recall seeing somewhere on reddit's Wikipedia sub that a person did not want their name on their father's article and wanted to know the process of removing it, so let's hypothetically put her in this category and delete as someone who does not want to be publicly associated with their father on Wikipedia and just delete this unnecessary redirect entirely. Trillfendi (talk) 19:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
"meese"
Meese might be a plausible redirect as an uncommonly used plural for moose, but "meese" in quotes is a pretty unlikely search term. TartarTorte 14:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible, hoaxy. --Beeblebrox (talk) 15:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, see Wiktionary Peter Horn User talk 17:47, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think that Meese itself would be fine, and it's listed at the disambig there. It's "meese" with the quotes in the redirect has is WP:UNNATURAL. TartarTorte 19:39, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Totally appropriate entry at the dab page, but the quotes make this not very useful. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per the quotes. Steel1943 (talk) 01:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as uselessly malformed. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
PhillyD
- PhillyD → Philadelphia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Phillyd → Philadelphia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible type to add the letter D to the end of the word Philly. TartarTorte 14:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Both of these initially targeted Philip DeFranco as {{r from nickname}}s, but were subsequently retargeted to the city. - Eureka Lott 16:32, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Philip DeFranco per Eureka Lott. The nickname is mentioned in the lede. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Philip DeFranco per Eureka Lott and Presidentman--with a supporting evidence looking at the editing history of the user who retargetted them. Skynxnex (talk) 01:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Martial arts craze
- Martial arts craze → Modern schools of ninjutsu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seems rather vague. I don't see why schools that teach martial arts is an appropriate target. Retarget to Martial arts or delete. MB 07:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This isn't an appropriate target, and it turns out that nobody thought that it was; this redirect wasn't created intentionally. Rather, it came about as a consequence of multiple rounds of bot-driven double-redirect fixing as a consequence of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neo-ninja; as far as I can tell this would have been a quadruple redirect if not for the bot fixes, and some of the individual steps along the chain were a little dicey in the first place. It isn't surprising that, after what is effectively a bot-driven game of Chinese whispers, the resulting redirect doesn't make any sense. --ais523 16:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete there have been several martial arts crazes. The one in the 70s lead to kung fu, jeet kune do and karate schools. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete can't find good targets in either martial arts or martial arts timeline. --Lenticel (talk) 08:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Martial arts#20th century (1914 to 1989) which describes the popularisation of Eastern martial arts in the West. Martial arts craze originally redirected to Ninja craze (which made a lot more sense). That title was redirected to Neo-ninja which was later merged with Schools of Ninjutsu, and still later renamed to the current target. I tend to agree that that is too vague even for its original target. I also think that Ninja craze ought to be retargeted to Ninjas in popular culture#Modern popular culture which does indeed describe a modern ninja craze. SpinningSpark 08:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with your retarget suggestion for Ninja craze, but you can probably do it boldly; it shouldn't need a second RfD. I'm not so sure about the suggestion for the redirect under discussion, though. --ais523 21:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per Spinning above. There was a martial arts craze, and that section does describe it. I'm pretty sure that if you are searching this term, this is in fact what you are looking for. No comment on ninja craze. Fieari (talk) 05:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment I wrote a relist reason but it was swallowed in an edit conflict revert. Anyhow, we'd like further consideration of the suggestion to retarget to Martial arts#20th century (1914 to 1989), which seems to cover this craze. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per Spinning. Although the section title (indicating 1914) may not appear appropriate for this redirect, the content the section has, is what the reader is probably looking for, or it can be the seed for a new article. Jay (talk) 16:51, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Lotto Boyzz
- Lotto Boyzz → M.O (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:RDELETE reasons 2 and 10. The redirect is confusing since these are not the same subjects. The redirect can plausibly be expanded into an article and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. Muhandes (talk) 10:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Gibraltar Football League
- Gibraltar Football League → Gibraltar Premier Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. The Gibraltar National League has now rebranded as the Gibraltar Football League so the article should no longer redirect to the defunct Premier Division - instead, the Gibraltar National League page should be moved to the Gibraltar Football League. VampireKilla (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - this seems like a matter for WP:RM to determine the primary topic (if any) for this since it was originally the name of the defunct league as well, and probably that should be mentioned in the Gibraltar Premier Division article. Also, the current target (Gibraltar Premier Division) was at this title for a quite a long time (from 2008 [8] to 2013 [9]). A7V2 (talk) 09:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Was the Gibraltar Premier Division earlier called "Gibraltar Football League" (with the all caps)? If so we can achieve some sort of parenthetical disambiguation. I don't see a mention of Gibraltar Football League at Gibraltar Premier Division. Even the merged-rebranded league is referred to as Gibraltar National League. Jay (talk) 02:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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Fellowship of the Ring (characters)
- Fellowship of the Ring (characters) → Template:The Fellowship of the Ring/Plot summary#Fellowship of the Ring (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This currently redirects to a section of a template which is transcluded on The Lord of the Rings and The Fellowship of the Ring. This is the only redirect I've seen like this. Might it be better to redirect to the appropriate section on The Lord of the Rings? Maybe that was the intention. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 05:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: The section is shared between LOTR and FOTR, (FOTR being one of three arbitrarily-divided volumes of LOTR, the publisher's choice) so it makes no difference; the actual text is in the shared template. I'm actually not at all sure why this should have been brought to XfD as deletion doesn't seem to be proposed, nor to be a sensible option. I suggest we take no action. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to FOTR, substitute the template onto FOTR, and then delete the template. Do we seriously need a template for some paragraphs of text? Transclusion of the FOTR plot summary to elsewhere can be done without templates. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- What mello said, or similar. There should be a better solution than the current cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment how about retargeting to Fellowship of the Ring#Members? Not sure what to do about the template, guess that's a separate issue being discussed at TfD. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. I'm not seeing the point of this redirect. I was expecting to be taken to a list of characters, or at least something that was organised by character. Instead, it just goes to the plot summary of The Fellowship of the Ring. That's just confusing for the user, especially if they have already found the FOTR page. It would be better to delete the redirect so that only the FOTR page turns up in search results and the user is not confused into believing we have more to find when we do not. SpinningSpark 13:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Refining my retargeting suggestion to The Fellowship of the Ring#Members. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:28, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Anterior chain
- Anterior chain → Ripping (bodybuilding) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target. It's a muscle group consisting of muscles on the front of your legs (quadriceps, hip flexors, etc.). I'm not seeing a good target so support WP:REDLINK. (t · c) buidhe 05:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Restore as an article at this version. In this edit the page was allegedly merged to Beach muscles, but that page's history shows that absolutely nothing was added between the merge template being added and removed, other than an unreferenced tag. "Beach muscles was [prodded in 2020, but instead of deletion it was redirected by an editor to Ripping (bodybuilding), again without merging anything. So it is not surprising that the target contains no information because it is two fake merges distant from the original article. Both editors should be slapped with a wet trout for managing to lose a viable article by default. SpinningSpark 14:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Getty Museum, J. Paul
- Getty Museum, J. Paul → J. Paul Getty Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not clear how a user would ever search this specific term. It appears to be in the form LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME, except for the fact that "museum" is not part of Getty's name. Iseult Δx parlez moi 01:19, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep: While not a common usage, the J. Paul Getty Museum is often called the Getty Museum so for sorting it would be sorted under G most likely. Even though this isn't a human name, for sorting purposes this could be useful; however Getty Museum also redirects to J. Paul Getty Museum, which would probably be better for sorting. Fundamentally, this is a WP:CHEAP keep argument as there is at least some plausibility. TartarTorte 14:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is not a reasonable Search term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Weak keep per TatarTorte. I agree that WP:CHEAP applies as I'm not seeing anything harmful about the existence of this redirect as despite it being uncommon it's not inaccurate, misleading or in the way of anything else. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Ivy Road
- Ivy Road → Annapurna Interactive (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. I did find "Ivy Road is a new independent game development studio run by Davey Wreden..., and supported by Annapurna Interactive" here. Searching within en.WP finds a plethora of actual roads by that name. Recommend delete. MB 01:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kenilworth Road. Seems to be its original name according to the article --Lenticel (talk) 02:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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- No mention of the studio at the current target, but there is C418#2021–present: Life Changing Moments Seem Minor in Pictures remaster, Ivy Road and Cookie Clicker. Peter James (talk) 23:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Sproftacchel
- Sproftacchel → Photo stand-in (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect was created in good faith but I am pretty sure that "Sproftacchel" is a made-up word that was added to Photo stand-in by a vandal. I have found no evidence for the word ever being used before it was added in 2021. See the Photo stand-in talk page for details. It has no (non-trivial) edit history and nothing links to it. I believe it should be deleted so it won't mislead users who search for "Sproftacchel". Jak86 (talk)(contribs) 16:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: From my research the nominator is almost assuredly correct that this is cytogenesis; however, with the length of time that "sproftacchel" was on wikipedia, there have been a number of people who use that term without other explanation. While it should be removed from the page; I think keeping the redirect could be helpful for navigation/information. It's a weird scenario. TartarTorte 17:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, would it be better to retarget it to the talk page section? I think keeping it like it is implicitly endorses the word as a valid synonym. It might be different if the article had a section about the citogenesis, but I don't know if it's notable enough for that. Jak86 (talk)(contribs) 18:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do think a talk page redirect could be worthwhile; having said that, unfortunately, cross-name redirects to talk are banned under WP:R3, so that probably wouldn't go well with closer. I think that having the redirect without having anything in the article isn't necessarily an endorsement. I just hesitate to call for deletion when there are people now using the term even if it is a neologism. TartarTorte 18:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, would it be better to retarget it to the talk page section? I think keeping it like it is implicitly endorses the word as a valid synonym. It might be different if the article had a section about the citogenesis, but I don't know if it's notable enough for that. Jak86 (talk)(contribs) 18:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I had already posted a comment on Talk:Photo stand-in. I agree with TartarTorte. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment if there are enough uses to support a Wiktionary entry (I've not looked) then a soft redirect there could be considered. Thryduulf (talk) 20:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep. Generally, the problem with citogenesis is that the information it provides is wrong. But in this case, we don't care if the word is "right" or "wrong", because there is no such thing as right or wrong. Rather, it is attested, and so it is a valid search term even if it originated as a joke on Wikipedia. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keeping a redirect to a page that does not use the term is a terrible idea. That just confuses the user, and furthermore, is directly contrary to WP:R#PLA. Either mention it in the article or else delete it. A soft redirect to a Wiktionary entry is a possible solution, but I don't think that this meets even Wiktionary's fairly minimal requirements for neologisms (three independent, durably archived usages spread over at least a year last time I looked). So if we can't even meet that, and don't want to put it in the article, then delete. It has no lasting notability now, and we don't know whether it will in the future. SpinningSpark 14:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Spinningspark, it's one month short it seems: wikt:en:Wiktionary:Tea room/2022/July#Sproftacchel. Anyway, I just mentioned it in the article. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 15:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Qasim al-Faqi
- Qasim al-Faqi → Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Originally created in error by block-evading sockpuppet JawnFamily when moving from Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr. We already are retaining the correct alternative name Qasim al-Faqih as a redirect, so to also keep this minimally different but wrong redirect seems superfluous.
Moreover, when one types in "Qasim al" or "Qasim al-faq" what should appear is the correct Qasim al-Faqih, not this. This is especially important given that the target page does not mention "Qasim al-Faqih" for the time being, giving readers the impression that "Qasim al-Faqi" is correct. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 01:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I originally declined the speedy-delete WP:G5 nomination because technically, the redirect wasn't created by the sockpuppet (see the history) and if one person made an error in titling the article, another person might also, so the redirect seemed plausible. My edit summary had mistakenly recommended discussion at WP:MFD instead of here at RFD, so I have just moved it here. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Mark as {{R from typo}}? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:39, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. فقيه is normally Faqīh. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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Issac Wayne (1699-1774)
- Issac Wayne (1699-1774) → Anthony Wayne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Issac Wayne (1699–1774) → Anthony Wayne (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'd like to request that this page be deleted rather than re-directed to Anthony Wayne. There is an existing page Isaac Wayne (1699-1774) but this page has a slight difference spelling "Issac Wayne (1699- 1774)" and has been incorrectly re-directed to Anthony Wayne. This is adding confusion and would be remedied by deleting this page. Dwkaminski (talk) 16:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I've added a second bot generated one that differs only in hyphenation used. Delete both, clearly an error whhch would qualify for CSD R3 if it were recent. SpinningSpark 17:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Did Anthony have any relatives named Issac, Isaac, or similar? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mellohi!: Isaac is the son of Anthony. The redirect is left over from before Isaac had his own article. SpinningSpark 19:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Correct - Isaac Wayne lived from 1772 to 1852 and was a U.S. Congressman Dwkaminski (talk) 20:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mellohi!: Isaac is the son of Anthony. The redirect is left over from before Isaac had his own article. SpinningSpark 19:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget all to Isaac Wayne (1699–1774), the target's father, who also has his own article. "Issac" is a plausible misspelling of "Isaac". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Isaac Wayne (1699–1774) per Mellohi! This should remedy the problem of misdirecting readers searching for this guy's article to that of his son. Both these titles are potentially helpful if centered on the right target. Regards, SONIC678 19:28, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This misspelling is causing confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:04, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget both to Isaac Wayne (1699–1774) per Mellohi. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 05:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Citebot
- User:Citebot → User:Citeboot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect to banned sockpuppet user — Guarapiranga ☎ 01:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep: While the user is banned, there is a conversation (albeit a not particularly productive one) where the user signed name as Citebot, so it would possibly cause confusion to remove that redirect. TartarTorte 13:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Is "Citeboot" really a banned sockpuppet user? They were tagged as a "suspected sockpuppet", but I don't see an SPI case that conclusively concludes that they're actually a sock. They are currently blocked for their username and not for sockpuppetry. The tagging user is themselves blocked for being a confirmed sockpuppet of Edgar181 (ironically). —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 15:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as a redirect from a former username, as the name has not been usurped. The account was renamed from Citebot, but there was a delay in renaming, and the user continued to edit and was blocked; after the renaming there was no reason for the block to remain. Probably not the user's first account but https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wood_flooring&diff=prev&oldid=754045526 is the reason for the sockpuppet tag (added by the user whose edit was reverted there); the edit summary indicates that it may be a mistaken edit and possibly a coincidence that they started editing after the other account was blocked. Peter James (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
July 19
Glucose (song)
- Glucose (song) → Lady Leshurr discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Targets a redirect to another page which does not mention this song. Therefore also cats on this redirect are unverified. Richhoncho (talk) 23:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Ostrich (golf)
- Ostrich (golf) → Par (score) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention at the target, or, I think, anywhere on en.wp. This is a term for five under par which has been removed from the target article multiple times. Likely better to leave the reader on search results than have them scour the article futilely. Delete. J947 † edits 22:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As noted, the term has been removed from the article a number of times and the presence of the redirect might encourage more attempts to add it. It's never happened and most likely never will. Nigej (talk) 05:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Red House (paris)
- Red House (paris) → Red House, Bexleyheath (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Bexleyheath isn't Paris, and there's no mention of Paris/paris at the target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Quite mysterious why the article was ever created at this title, as it seems to have been - time to delete the redirect. PamD 20:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- FWIW, we do have an article about La Maison Rouge in Paris. That may be stretching things for this redirect, though. - Eureka Lott 22:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm at a loss with this one. At the time, I moved an existing article from what seemed a nonsense search term (it was before I had admin powers to delete the redirect). But, looking at the history, there's no sign that any article was ever moved, or that anything was added to the Red House, Bexleyheath article at that time (and, being 16 years and half a million edits ago, I can't recall it). Either something's been lost in the logs (I know there was a big loss of data sometime in the early 2006), or there's been a glitch somewhere. In any case, delete - this should never have existed. Grutness...wha? 03:05, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- The article you moved was at Red House (Bexley Heath), and was redirected as a duplicate shortly after the move. - Eureka Lott 03:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The closest connection that I can find is that one reviewer spent the night at one of the 10 closest hotels to the target en route to a holiday in Paris. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as nonsensical. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as pointless. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
All Humankind
- All Humankind → Human (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There's no reason for this to exist. Even if it had a lowercase second word it wouldn't be justified, but in title-case it's referring to the name of a work, which absolutely doesn't exist. Certainly not at the specified target. Dan Bloch (talk) 19:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Humankind alone is a good search term, but this isn't. It's a partial title match to Destroy All Humankind. They Can't Be Regenerated. (a manga series) but it's not a useful search for that (although Destroy All Humankind might be), everything else is just sum of parts matches in the middle of phrases. I can't say for certain that a work of this title absolutely doesn't exist, but I can find no evidence that a notable one does. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Johnny Bashir
- Johnny Bashir → Omar al-Bashir (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, no meaningful results in an internet search. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Local finiteness
- Local finiteness → Locally finite collection (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This can refer to other terms listed at Locally finite too. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Locally finite. --Zundark (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to the Locally finite disambig per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
More grounding and punishment day videos, plus ungrounded ones
- Grounding video → Vyond#Grounded videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Grounding videos → Vyond#Grounded videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ungrounded video → Vyond#Grounded videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ungrounded videos → Vyond#Grounded videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Punishment days → Vyond#Grounded videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Punishment day videos → Vyond#Grounded videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Just like the redirects discussed in the related discussion closed last week, these redirects may also need to be deleted since the section isn't mentioned on the article anymore (and was removed by consensus on the article's talk page). I'm open to being swayed otherwise, however, plus I did not nominate Grounded video or Grounded Videos since they're still getting good numbers of pageviews (and we should wait until at earliest 2023 to see where they're going). Regards, SONIC678 15:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all. Also, nominated Grounded video for speedy deletion due to the page with an s at the end getting deleted as part of the redirect discussion, but would it be better to place it as part of this discussion? Colgatepony234 (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
MOS: TITLEABSENTBOLD
- MOS: TITLEABSENTBOLD → Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#MOS:TITLEABSENTBOLD (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. This is the same redirect as MOS:TITLEABSENTBOLD with an extra space which is pointless. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 11:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for review of admin actions
- Wikipedia:Requests for review of admin actions → Wikipedia:Requests for comment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is the more updated Wikipedia:Administrative action review. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Administrative action review. That seems like the straightforward solution. BD2412 T 05:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Create an index page. There are multiple venues where admin actions are reviewed - WP:AARV, WP:AN, WP:ANI, WP:ARC, WP:AE and someone using this search term could be looking for any of them. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Administrative action review, which is the central location for this. -- Tavix (talk) 03:52, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Except the top of that page explicitly says it isn't the place to review all admin actions, it's only one of several venues that review admin actions. I strongly oppose retargetting to only one of them, given that none of them are "central" or more correct than any others. Thryduulf (talk) 10:12, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Archbishop Ryan
July 18
Stone laterite Borneo
- Stone laterite Borneo → Laterite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Poorly written article that was PRODded and then redirected, but the title is not a plausible redirect. I don't think there is any content worth merging to Laterite or Borneo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support as per nom. –Ploni (talk) 12:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Nominator and the support voter are supporting deletion, correct?
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Talk:Interstate 885 (North Carolina)
- Talk:Interstate 885 (North Carolina) → Talk:Interstate 885 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect page should be deleted since it is itself a talk page for another redirect page. Redirect pages do not require talk pages, and it is also redundant for talk pages themselves to have redirects leading to them. This page is a byproduct of when a draft was being moved into the Main namespace. OrdinaryJosh (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. This page is even listed under the category of "Temporary maintenance holdings." All the more reason to delete this page in my book. OrdinaryJosh (talk) 20:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- I suggest striking your second reason, as that is coming from Template:rfd, has nothing to do with the page itself. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Restore to talkpage status, I guess. I don't think it's a very important question whether a talkpage of a redirect should be a redirect, proper talk page, or redlink, but I do think that redirecting a talkpage when not part of a pagemove is generally unnecessary (courtesy ping Morriswa), so, given that we're here, let's restore Special:PermaLink/621976383 and leave it at that. But I'd stress that I don't think discussions like this are a good use of volunteer time. Also, "Temporary maintenance holdings" is coming from the RfD template itself. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and tag with {{ R from remote talk page}}. There may be no reason to create talk pages on redirects, but once one exists, there is even less reason to commit community and administrator effort into deleting it if they are harmless. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Seemingly no consensus on what to do so far. All three participants want completely different things: nominator wants to delete, another voter wants to expand back into a talk page, and a third wants to keep the redirect virtually as is but with an extra tag.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @OrdinaryJosh: why do you say that redirect pages do not require talk pages, and why would talk page redirects be redundant? Interstate 885 (North Carolina) was not a draft that was moved to main namespace. From its first edit in 2014, it has been a redirect page in main namespace. The talk page was also created at the time, but for some reason Morriswa redirected it. Perhaps you have this mixed up with Draft:Interstate 885 which was moved to the current target, and that draft never had a talk page by the way. Jay (talk) 03:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Now that this is in RfD, restore the pre-redirect version per Tamzin, and tag with {{Talk page of redirect}}. Jay (talk) 03:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete per above "talk page for another redirect page. Redirect pages do not require talk pages, and it is also redundant for talk pages themselves to have redirects". Taylor 49 (talk) 15:55, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- As your vote is per nom, you may as well want to answer the questions I asked the nom:
why do you say that redirect pages do not require talk pages, and why would talk page redirects be redundant?
. Jay 17:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- As your vote is per nom, you may as well want to answer the questions I asked the nom:
- Restore and tag per Jay. Thryduulf (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Tramping
I recently changed the target of this redirect from Hiking to Tramping in New Zealand, owing to Tramping being a term mostly exclusive to New Zealand whose subject is better covered by the latter article than the general article on hiking. That edit was reverted, so I figured it would be a better course of action to open a RfD instead to hold a broader discussion rather than attempting to change it again. I'd also note that, as far as I can tell, all but one of the articles which link to tramping are doing so in a New Zealand context (the exception being Eddy Joe Cotton). Turnagra (talk) 06:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- retarget to Tramping in New Zealand as proposed as indeed, that is what this term is all about. Schwede66 10:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Dictionary definitions ([10], [11], [12]) do not indicate the term is exclusive to New Zealand. In fact, one uses the example "We spent a week tramping the streets of San Francisco, looking for movie locations." — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs) 12:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as is. Even if the term is exclusive to New Zealand, it still refers to hiking generally, not just hiking in New Zealand. SpinningSpark 09:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- retarget to tramping in New Zealand. Yes, it refers to hiking but in New Zealand. Someone searching for tramping is not searching for backpacking. --Podzemnik (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per User:Spinningspark. Someone searching for "Tramping" is presumably looking for information about the topic in general, not just in New Zealand. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:19, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
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- Comment Restoring edit-conflict-eaten comment: Participants so far are evenly split over retargeting as an NZ-specific activity or keeping as a NZ-dialect term for hiking activities in general. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Replace with disambiguation page move tramping (disambiguation) to tramping -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 21:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Tramping and hiking seem synonymous to me. I would err on the side that this is a dialect thing rather than a completely different topic. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Move Tramping (disambiguation) to Tramping. The split between those seeing this as a NZ-specific term and a more general one support that this is an ambiguous term, and it's best to bring searchers to a disambiguation page (which is already setup as having no primary topic). There are other relevant articles searchers may be interested in at the disambiguation page besides the two discussed above. That the Tramping in New Zealand article is not already at Tramping also supports the idea that the term is not specific to NZ (though a WP:RM discussion could consider that question). As usual, incoming links would need to be checked to bypass the dab page if moved. Mdewman6 (talk) 16:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Mass shooting generation
- Mass shooting generation → Generation Z (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It's apparently about how mass shootings are allegedly more common than ever but I couldn't find anything in the article of or relating to mass shootings. Without context, there's an unfortunate implication that this is a legitimate alternative name for the topic. Greyhound 84 (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete no evidence that this generation is known by that name.--70.24.248.109 (talk) 03:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Is an actual term, sadly. Whether this is the correct target is up for debate. J947 † edits 08:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Seems to be the correct target – "For members of Generation Z, who hold the distinction of being referred to as the mass-shooting generation...". SpinningSpark 09:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - If someone comes across the reference in NYT, they may want to search it. Unfortunately, it's an unambiguous target. Fieari (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete because we have no encyclopaedic content about this term anywhere. As an exact phrase it appears only in the title of two references used on a total of five articles, none of which have any relevant content (March for Our Lives#Media has the quote "Gun violence has declined precipitously over the past 25 years, and most Americans are much safer today than they were a generation ago.", which appears to be the opposite of what this phrase is about; List of March for Our Lives locations#Hawaii has the quote "This is a movement that will inspire a generation.", which is not going to help anyone). The current target, as the nominator notes, has no content related to mass shootings. So anyone searching for this who doesn't know something about it already will just be confused. If the name is encyclopaedic (I've not looked) then write the content about it first, then create the redirect to it. Thryduulf (talk) 20:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 23:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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Krull valuation
- Krull valuation → Ultrametric space (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. There is a passing mention at C-minimal theory. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Valuation (algebra). Looking on Scholar Google, it seeems that Krull valuations are exactly the same things as the valuation defined there, and that "Krull" is here only for disambiguating from other possible meanings of "valuation" (one of the pdfs provided by Scholar Google gives a definition of a Krull valuation that is exactly that of the suggested target). I have not a clear opinion whether "sometimes called a Krull valuation" should be added to the first sentence of the new target. D.Lazard (talk) 08:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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Filipino queen
- Filipino queen → Filipinos in the New York metropolitan area (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Filipino queens → Filipinos in the New York metropolitan area (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous; "queens" isn't even capitalised – could refer to Filipino styles and honorifics#Female Royal / noble titles; also mentioned in a plausible expression at Filipino American LGBT Studies#Beauty pageants and drag. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete misleading redirect. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Filipinos in Queens. Castncoot (talk) 15:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Which is the same at the current misleading redirects, and just as misleading if the article was titled 'Filipinos in Queens.' Someone searching for Filipino queen(s) is searching for royalty associated with the Philippines. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- That’s ridiculous Headbomb. Perhaps you don’t have the particular relevant topic experience, but Queens is the center for Filipinos in NYC. Castncoot (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- There was, and still is, actual Filipino royalty, some of whom were/are queens. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- That’s ridiculous Headbomb. Perhaps you don’t have the particular relevant topic experience, but Queens is the center for Filipinos in NYC. Castncoot (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Which is the same at the current misleading redirects, and just as misleading if the article was titled 'Filipinos in Queens.' Someone searching for Filipino queen(s) is searching for royalty associated with the Philippines. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Deleteas confusing at best. I'm not buying the Queens angle as cursory (Nationality) queen/queens search in wiki either points to actual royalty or have a list of queens in the first few hits. --Lenticel (talk) 01:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Delete: Misleading redirects. Not about queens. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:55, 12 July 2022 (UTC)- Delete as misleading for not being about Filipina royals. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Filipino styles and honorifics#Female Royal / noble titles - They seem to be perfectly reasonable and plausible search terms for this. A7V2 (talk) 10:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget as per A7V2. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete as misleading. I'm opposed to retargeting given the two plausible definitions mentioned by the nominator. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Filipino styles and honorifics#Female Royal / noble titles as plasuible target --Lenticel (talk) 00:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Filipino styles and honorifics#Female Royal / noble titles A note: this is me striking my above !v Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
N9NE Steakhouse Las Vegs
- N9NE Steakhouse Las Vegs → N9NE Group#Las Vegas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Deletion: this is obviously a typo of limited value and low visibility. I've moved the original (to "N9NE Steakhouse Las Vegas"), but the original stuck around for quite a while, so it seems better to file here than for speedy deletion. Mockingbus (talk) 14:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have put the template on the redirect. Courtesy ping: Mockingbus, please follow the listing instructions, as that is a very important step. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, sorry! I'd put in a deletion template in it before and that got removed; I must have gotten confused in the shuffle when I brought it over here. --Mockingbus (talk) 10:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Blake Slatkin
- Blake Slatkin → Stay (The Kid Laroi and Justin Bieber song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Blake Slatkin has produced and written for a variety of artists on numerous songs and albums, so this redirect to a specific song that barely mentions Slatkin feels inappropriate. Sock (tock talk) 14:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete to encourage article creation. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
X̱
- X̱ → Voiceless uvular fricative (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect not mentioned at target. Redirect to Saanich dialect or Squamish language, where it is mentioned, or create a new article for it. SlimyGecko7 (talk) 11:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Create an article about the character, akin to our other diacritic letter articles. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Voiceless velar fricative. This mentions the sound represented by this symbol, a voiceless post-velar/pre-uvular fricative, and the glyph is based on the IPA symbol ⟨x⟩. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Tweelectro
- Tweelectro → Indie rock#Indie electronic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article and it's not clear whether this is a suitable target. The two articles that mention it don't really explain what it is: 1 2. Anarchyte (talk) 05:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Filipino cafés
- Filipino cafés → Filipinos in the New York metropolitan area#Filipino cafés and cuisine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Filipino coffe → Filipinos in the New York metropolitan area#Filipino cafés and cuisine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Filipino café → Filipinos in the New York metropolitan area#Filipino cafés and cuisine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These terms don't unambiguously refer to to these things in New York City; the redirects are surprising and therefore not useful. A general article on these topics could be, but not redirecting to them in one particular city area. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:05, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for now, I would like to retarget this to Coffee production in the Philippines but that article doesn't have content related to the redirect. --Lenticel (talk) 09:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unhelpfully astonishing. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
The Beautiful Truth
- The Beautiful Truth → Max Gerson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect not mentioned in target. This resulted from a merger in 2011, where content about a documentary film was merged into the biographical article about the film's subject; however, that content was removed before the end of 2011 as not significant or noteworthy, and has never been restored in the intervening decade. So there's just no purpose to retaining a redirect if there's no content in the target article to explain why it's redirecting there. Bearcat (talk) 18:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Soft delete for as long as that content is gone. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Originally closed as "delete". However, the article section discussed above has been re-added to the article and this redirect should be reevaluated.
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- Keep. I've reädded a brief mention to the target article for the reasons explained here (conflicting with Explicit's initial close in the process, hence the above confusion). The 2011 removal was based on excessive focus, but a brief sentence appears merited. Courtesy pings @Bearcat and Mellohi!. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Errant
- Errant → Knight-errant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I tend to think "errant" by itself is more commonly used to mean "in error". I am leaning towards either a redirect to Error, or disambiguation. BD2412 T 19:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as the etymological use of the word is explained there in the lead. Otherwise, I think a soft redirect to wikitionary would be a better solution than trying to identify the best target that captures its use as an adjective, in the spirit of WP:NOTDIC, and I am not sure Error would be it. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- "errant" is "wandering", as in "an errant missile" is a missile that wandered (off-target). An errant knight participating in errantry is a wandering knight. An errant word is a word that wandered onto the text out of the mind of the writer (in error). As for where this points, we don't seem to have an article on wandering... -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Shagos
- Shagos → Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the article. QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:11, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It's an acronym. HotdogPi 20:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am aware of this, but the main usage of this acronym I can see are Tumblr blogs - certainly no sustained usage in RS. QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:37, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It's an acronym and WP:CHEAP applies. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Gaynal
- Gaynal → Anal sex#Male to male (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This should be deleted as a silly (and possibly offensive) redirect which fails WP:NEO. QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:03, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. It's even stupider than that, since "gaynal" refers to "anal" in the sense of anal compulsiveness, not anything having to do with anal sex. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 19:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
2022 Siege of Chornobaivka
- 2022 Siege of Chornobaivka → 2022 Chornobaivka attacks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Useless redirect. The article is not about a siege. Super Ψ Dro 18:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Multiracial Australians
- Multiracial Australians → Multiracial people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Australia is only mentioned at the target in the context of the Anglo-Burmese diaspora, which seems unhelpful for most readers searching this term. I was hoping to be able to redirect this to Race in Australia, but it looks like we only have Racism in Australia, which is a weaker fit that currently does not really mention multiracial people at all. There's no mention of multiracial people at Demography_of_Australia either, thus, deletion seems like the best option available at this time. signed, Rosguill talk 16:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete to encourage a possible future article creation would seem the best option here. QueenofBithynia (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Tajikistani Australians
- Tajikistani Australians → Tajikistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Bengali Australians → Bengal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Bhutanese Australians → Bhutan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gujarati Australians → Gujarat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sindhi Australians → Sindhis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Maldivian Australians → Maldives (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Baloch Australians → Baloch people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Iu Mien Australians → Yao people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Fuzhounese Australians → Fuzhou people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hoklo Australians → Hoklo people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Australia not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. The one exception is the Bhutan redirect, where immigration to Australia is mentioned briefly, deep within the article. Not listed here are redirects by the same editor pointing to Asian ethnicity pages that do mention significant populations in Australia in their infoboxes. signed, Rosguill talk 16:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, so pointless as to be misleading. CMD (talk) 07:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete to redlink until articles can be made about these minorities. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per both of the above comments. --QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:TI
- Wikipedia:TI → Wikipedia:Contents/Categories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think it would be better to redirect the page to the Wikipedia:Template index, as I don't understand why this is short for Contents/Categories. Q28 (talk) 08:32, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like it originally pointed to Wikipedia:Topical index. but has been moved around a bit to avoid double redirects, hence landing at a name that doesnt quite fit the 'TI', but it's old enough I daresay keep. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep. This is plausible and can occur. Castncoot (talk) 14:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Castncoot: Could you please elaborate? I don't understand why you think this redirect is
plausible
and how itcan occur
? CycloneYoris talk! 13:01, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Castncoot: Could you please elaborate? I don't understand why you think this redirect is
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Template index per nom. The present target is confusing and there's really no obvious reason why this should keep targeting there. CycloneYoris talk! 13:06, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate. There are too many plausible meanings for a two-letter combination. BD2412 T 19:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. We should always be very conservative with shortcut redirects due to the high potential for confusion and harm from changing meanings of old discussions, links and unlinked uses. However in this case there is exactly one actual use (not mention) of this redirect and while I don't know what it is referring to, the current target doesn't make sense: In 2016, Pluto2012 wrote at Talk:Mount Zion#The poor state of this article
Crock81 adds a lot of WP:TI, which lack reliable sources.
. Disambiguating shortcuts makes them useless, so should only be used when there are multiple targets that people equally expect to be at the shortcut, which is not the case here. The current target is not logical, unlike the proposed target, so it is the latter that is more likely to get uses. Thryduulf (talk) 20:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC) - Retarget to Wikipedia:Template index, the only page provided that would naturally abbreviate this way. -- Tavix (talk) 23:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate for the topical index (ie. TOC) and the template index; and per BD2412 -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Onvaccation
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Cell tropism
- Cell tropism → Tropism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Created as an unsourced stub of 2 sentences in 2008, this was then promptly redirected. The trouble is, the target is a about a different sense of the word "tropism". The redirect should be deleted to encourage the creation of an article in the same category as Host tropism and Tissue tropism. – Uanfala (talk) 00:30, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Endothelial cell tropism for now. It probably doesn't capture all uses of the term, and a WP:BCA is probably warranted, but the article repeatedly uses the term "cell tropism" so seems like an adequate target for now. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Host tropism or tissue tropism. Google Scholar search of "Cell tropism" gives mostly viral cell tropism to the target host or tissue or cell type - [13]]. Host tropism is the broader concept, tissue tropism covers the great majority of cases, but both more appropriate than the more limited case of Endothelial cell tropism. Hzh (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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Shi Hao
- Shi Hao → Posthumous name (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is not a clear connection between "Shi Hao" and Posthumous name as far as I can see by Googling. There is Shi Hao (bobsledder) who is a living person. This mixup caused this page to be tagged as an attack page but I'm sending it to RFD in case there is some connection between the page name and the target that has been missed here. This redirect has existed for quite a few years without challenges so perhaps there is something here that we are not seeing. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Shi Hao is a living person (bobsledder). There is no reason in either the Shi Hao (bobsledder) article for this redirect. There is also no reason in the Posthumous Name article. Sorry for mispellings and any mistakes in the wiki code. Neurogeek (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
(This is a duplicate nomination but concerns the same page) Liz Read! Talk! 19:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously it's not an attack page for Shi Hao (bobsledder) because the redirect was created in 2002 (wow, 20 years old!), when the bobsledder was just 5 years old. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 21:07, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Shihao (諡號; shì hào) is a Chinese term that means posthumous name and title - [14]. Hzh (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate It's apparent to me that the primary topic was the Chinese term for posthumous names until the bobsledder became active later on. Since the term stopped being the primary topic, a disambiguation page may be warranted. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This is the transliteration of "谥号", which is given in the infobox at Posthumous name as the Chinese term for the concept. This is probably the primary topic over the bobsledder. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above although a person that is versed in the Chinese language might want to expand Posthumous_name#China to discuss said them might be the better solution. --Lenticel (talk) 12:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Worth noting that this term is already mentioned in the Template:Infobox Chinese at the target. The fact that the template autocollapses the transcriptions sections even when there's only one transcription is rather silly: doing so doesn't save any vertical space at all, but hides the mention of the transcription from readers who try to Ctrl+F to find the mention of their search term and end up with nothing. This problem has come up at multiple RfDs. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:19, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and move Shi Hao (bobsledder) to base name Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, Shi hao already redirects to Posthumous name. The (capitalized) proper name is the bobsledder.—Bagumba (talk) 07:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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Rocktober
- Rocktober → 2007 Colorado Rockies season (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These seems like an oddly specific target for a word that is used rather generically, as evidenced by numerous other uses in the encyclopedia. Roctober (with no "k") points to October. I would retarget this, or disambiguate in some way. BD2412 T 17:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete to facilitate uninhibited Search (48 other entries). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Note. I have not proposed the deletion of this title. I do not share User:Shhhnotsoloud's confidence in the utility of the Search function. BD2412 T 17:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or disambiguate both the Rocktober and Roctober redirects, as there appears to be no clear primary topic for either term. —QueenofBithynia (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, this looks to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC after my review. After reviewing the nominator's evidence, most other usage seemed to be either WP:PTM or too minor for disambiguation. What other uses did you have in mind? In fact, I would also retarget Roctober to 2007 Colorado Rockies season, it seems to be an alternate spelling (eg: [15] [16] [17]) -- Tavix (talk) 15:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Yellen
- Yellen → Janet Yellen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Hmm, I'm not sure about this. This could also be a typo for yelling, but it also might be fine at its current target. TraderCharlotte (talk) 00:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Edit distance 2 away from "Yelling", not a plausible typo. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:44, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT of the items in Yellen (surname) and after a general wiki-en search. Skynxnex (talk) 02:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yellen (surname). –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- If we were going to do that, we would have to move Yellen (surname) to Yellen, as an incompdab. BD2412 T 18:38, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Move Yellen (surname) to Yellen, per User:Novem Linguae and User:BD2412. While Janet Yellen is the most prominent bearer of the name right now, it is perfectly plausible that a user might be looking for one of the others. Furius (talk) 23:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Skynxnex. Comparing the page views of the six articles listed on the surname page shows that there's a clear WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. - Eureka Lott 15:29, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as an evidenced primary redirect. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yellen (surname), or move Yellen (surname) to Yellen, per Furius. –Ploni (talk) 11:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yellen (surname). I have no objection to moving that disambig page to Yellen as an alternative. Fieari (talk) 05:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Move Yellen (surname) to Yellen per others above. CycloneYoris talk! 01:58, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Move Yellen (surname) to Yellen. Janet Yellen is not universally known by her surname alone, and the entry for her page is easily found on the surname article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:25, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Move Yellen (surname) to Yellen per above comments. As Furius notes, Janet Yellen is only the primary topic at this moment in time, which is subject to change. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Eureka Lott. Janet Yellen is the primary topic. No one else even comes close in page views! -- Tavix (talk) 23:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Move the surname article back to the primary title (reversing the bold move of 2 years ago). Article views show popularity, but they aren't a reliable indicator of usage; for actual usage you'd need to compare the hits for the redirect with the hatnote clickthroughs to the surname article [18] [19], and these very strongly suggest absence of a primary topic. – Uanfala (talk) 15:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Erwin Buder
Heritage Museum
Thio Shen Yi
List of airports in the Vatican
Mother of Pride
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Revolutionary Mexico
Roofies
Vietnamese in China
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Owlsley
- Owlsley → Florida Atlantic Owls#Traditions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Owsley: at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories#Redirect request: Owlsley, several editors (myself, Binksternet, and 49.198.51.54) discussed CrownKing0wl's request to created Owlsley as a redirect to Florida Atlantic Owls#Traditions. A few hours after I redirected Owlsley to Owsley per discussion and following the IP's suggestions, CrownKing0wl then re-targeted Owlsley to his favoured target (even though he was pinged to our conversation). I propose this breach of consensus be reverted. Thanks. NotReallySoroka (talk) 08:35, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Owsley as discussed. Binksternet (talk) 12:26, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I redirected it since it is not a misspelling but a play on words of the athletic team’s name (Owls) CrownKing0wl (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Besides, it would be better to redirect this page to the university’s athletic teams page rather than a disambiguation page. CrownKing0wl (talk) 14:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I redirected it since it is not a misspelling but a play on words of the athletic team’s name (Owls) CrownKing0wl (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget. I suggested the Owsley target because it's more likely to be a typo or a mishearing of an established name (try saying "Owsley" and "Owlsley"; they sound really similar) than it is to be a reference to this amateur sporting mascot. Plus, when there's been an informal discussion at AFC/R, it's not right to override the discussion just 28 minutes after the discussion ends. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 21:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Keep at current target and add a hatnote there to Owsley. It is the only one which uses this spelling.While there does appear to be a consensus at the above-linked discussion to link to the disambiguation page, no actual reason to do so was advanced there. I don't see a compelling reason to not link to the thing that this is the correct spelling for. A7V2 (talk) 02:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)- Struck vote. I now prefer to retarget to Owl (Marvel Comics) with hatnotes, see below. A7V2 (talk) 06:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 10:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)- Keep at current target. It is not a misspelling but a rather a play on words of the athletic team’s name (Owls). Besides, it would be better to redirect this page to the university’s athletic teams page rather than a disambiguation page. CrownKing0wl (talk) 15:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget or disambiguate. @A7V2: There is also Leland Owlsley (aka Owl (Marvel Comics)), a reasonably notable Marvel Comics villain who has existed for decades before FAU ever had a sports team. There is also a somewhat similarly named Owlseye, Alberta. BD2412 T 19:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BD2412 your ping did not work. Pings only work when the same edit contains a signature.
- I'm not opposed to a disambiguation page which then the two dab pages could mutually "see also" eachother. Or even retarget to Owl (Marvel Comics) and hatnote the mascot (possibly through a redirect like Owlsley (mascot)) and Owsley as it does seem the Marvel character is the primary topic. A7V2 (talk) 06:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Owsley or to Owl (Marvel Comics)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)- I would say create a disambiguation page under the name "Owlsley" that would contain two pages:
- Owlsley (mascot)
- Owl (Marvel Comics) (aka Leland Owlsley) CrownKing0wl (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would say create a disambiguation page under the name "Owlsley" that would contain two pages:
- Disambiguate, which would catch both matches along with listing the close calls in the "see also" section. I have drafted one below the redirect for your consideration. -- Tavix (talk) 16:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Shortlist
July 15
The first dog
Complex algebra
- Complex algebra → Field of sets (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Confusing: Probalbly, most people searching this phrase would search algebra over the complex numbers. D.Lazard (talk) 19:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nominator. Also, I think readers are also looking for complex numbers that explain more basic topics, so I suggest adding a hat note. --SilverMatsu (talk) 00:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Expand into its own article if possible. The complex numbers are extremely widespread and important in mathematics, and the article can describe the principles of field algebra as applied to the complex numbers specifically. ChromaNebula (talk) 04:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisted due to a suggestion to create an article also appearing.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Apparently, "complex" is an archaic term for subgroup, and the current target describes algebra of subgroups. The far more common modern usage is algebra on complex numbers (in the sense). Certes (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Certes According to Complex#Mathematics, a complex is just an element of a field/algebra of sets. Considering that subgroups are not closed under complements and unions, I'm not sure where you are getting that definition from. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Until a new article is ready, see if a disambiguation is feasible between the current target's context as explained by Certes, the nominated suggestion, and complex numbers per SilverMatsu. Jay (talk) 04:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)- Disambiguate per above. Not sure if an article on algebraic properties of the complex numbers would warrant an article separate from the one on complex numbers, but I suggest it be called less ambiguously regardless. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
District of Colombia
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Xiguit District
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"Prison tatoo
Ud District
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Harvest moon
Mawsim (Weather)
Khaka
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Mint (credit cards)
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Bush Dick Incident
Split reins controversy
2022−23 ACF Fiorentina season
List of highest-grossing anime films in the United States and Canada
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Cricket at the South Asian Games
Template:Dokumentation
2009 attempted defection of 5 Virginians
Survival arms
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Extreme prejudice
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Cisgender sexuality
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Showa 41
Китай
July 13
Closed operator
World Open Chinese Studies Journal
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Bar Rock (Plymouth County, Massachusetts)
Curry hill, my
Little Nepal
Chinese New Jersey
WWE Hardcore Championship (2019-present)
David's
- David's → David's Supermarkets (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Highly highly ambiguous as the possesive form of a very common name. I don't think a chain of 25 supermarkets in Texas is what most people would be expecting to find if they searched for this. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 21:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, which is the recommended solution when something is "highly highly ambiguous". The supermarket and David's Bridal are the only ones I can find that popularly go by "David's", but a see also to David (disambiguation) and St. David's should cover the common "possessive of David" use. -- Tavix (talk) 00:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify per Tavix. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget over to 'David (disambiguation)' or perhaps do something else, but otherwise don't delete this. It's useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget over to 'David (disambiguation)' per reason above. It is reasonable that someone might be searching for the supermarket chain but also possible they'll be searching for something else. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 20:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to David (disambiguation) as the possessive of the word "David". NotReallySoroka (talk) 21:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep If someone is searching for David's and not David, they are unlikely to be looking for the name so the disambiguation page is not helpful. Mark's is an article and similar redirects such as John's don't exist; Matthew's is automatically redirected to Matthew S when using the search button. This company is usually known as David's and the only reason it is not the article title is that the company has other brands, whereas the other is not usually referred to just as David's in sources. There can be a link to the disambiguation page.82.132.186.43 (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 13:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to David (disambiguation) Supermarket chain is now defunct with a small service area, and there are other businesses called "David's" in the world. Nate • (chatter) 23:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to David (disambiguation) per above --Lenticel (talk) 03:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Tavix. If retargeted to the existing dab page at David (disambiguation), the entries Tavix mentions and the current target must be added there (making it a combined dab page). David's (disambiguation) should be created as a redirect as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdewman6 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, looking at the existing entries at David (disambiguation), my sense is that readers searching for the possessive form will not be aided by any of them, and Tavix's suggestion for a possessive-form disambiguation page is thus more helpful. signed, Rosguill talk 16:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per IP 82, unless there are other claimants on enwiki. Hatnote to David's Bridal which appears to be at best a partial title match, and as the IP says, is not referred to as "David's" in sources. The people associated with the company may be referring to it in that way though. Optional hatnote to David (disambiguation). Second choice: a David's dab per Tavix and Rosguill, but NOT a retarget to David (disambiguation) which does not have a mention of David's. Someone looking for David's is looking for exactly that, not an array of possible non-apostrophe matches. Jay (talk) 19:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jay: I'm confused how you came to the conclusion that David's
appears to be at best a partial title match
. In the David's Bridal article, it's referred to as simply "David's" three times. Their loyalty program is called "Diamond Loyalty Program by David's". Here are some recent news articles showing simply "David's": David's has unveiled innovative solutions, acquisition gives David’s access to tools, David's Promises 'Complete Modernization', continue the momentum that David’s built David’s has some beautiful dresses. -- Tavix (talk) 21:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)- I looked at places in the article where only David's was mentioned and cross-checked the references. Now I have gone through the links you provided, and will still stick to the name being used by the company people, or people close to it, when they talk about the company. However, not being familiar with the brand, this is what I observed by only looking at sources. Someone who knows the brand, and knows for a fact that it is commonly referred to as David's, will feel differently. Note to closer that the primary target discussion can also happen independently of this RfD. Jay (talk) 02:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jay: I'm confused how you came to the conclusion that David's
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Relisting comment: Seems that one more relist is needed to sort things out…
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 11:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Joey's
- Joey's → Joey Gosiengfiao (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a redirect from move of an article, Joey Gosiengfiao, from an obviously malformed title. It was previously a redirect to 26th Milestone, Isle of Man before the article was created, and it only lasted as an article at this title for two days. IMO this should be redirected to Joey as ambiguous or straight up deleted. eviolite (talk) 00:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Joey's Seafood Restaurants since this restaurant chain was previously known as "Joey's Only", and some readers searching for these restaurants may find this redirect helpful. CycloneYoris talk! 02:45, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget back to 26th Milestone, Isle of Man (aka Joey's) unless there are other articles which could be referred to by this title. Joey's Seafood Restaurants or Joey's Only is only a partial title match. Jay (talk) 02:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate due to all the debate and confusion presented both in the redirect's editing history and this very RFD. There is no primary topic for this term, it seems. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree, and was about to propose disambiguating as well. CycloneYoris talk! 22:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist since a draft DAB is needed for closing this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 11:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Milestone article per Jay. It appears to be the only article on Wikipedia for a topic sometimes referred to as simply "Joey's". A hatnote can be added pointing to the restaurant's article if there's evidence that it's sometimes called "Joey's" (and not just "Joey's Only"). In either case, hatnote Joey (disambiguation). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to 26th Milestone, Isle of Man as the primary topic and hatnote. While I do not think Joey's Seafood Restaurants is a WP:PTM given that they emphasize Joey's and nothing else, I do question its notability. -- Tavix (talk) 15:21, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Fellowship of the Ring (characters)
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Tulip Olsen and Lake
Little Punjab
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More Koreatown redirects
Jane Harvey (Writer)
Getty Museum, J. Paul
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Ivy Road
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