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User:Neplota
Neplota (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
We currently have an editor (User:Neplota) having multiple slow edit wars in the middle of short talks and an RFC. Canada, UK, Japan.The main purpose of the edits is to add data to the infobox that despite being in other articles is being contested in these cases . I do find this edit odd that removed the data they are trying to add on other pages? Is this someone here just to mess with us and waste our time? Moxy- 16:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Also, the Australia page. GoodDay (talk) 17:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- this edit is to that page...what is odd is they removed the data they are trying to add in other places. Saying "as the categories included are very ambiguous e.g., oceanian"..but this is what they are trying to add to other pages ...clasification with the term "oceanian". Are they just trying to start problmes/debates all over?Moxy- 17:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- There's more countries, he's made such bold changes to, as well. GoodDay (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- There are similar issues with this editor at United Kingdom per this thread. However, they abruptly stopped editing when this thread at ANI was opened - ANI flu? - but a pause for the editor to take stock may be helpful and all that's needed. DeCausa (talk) 07:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- There's more countries, he's made such bold changes to, as well. GoodDay (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Bunkerpr: constant conflict of interest
- Bunkerpr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Bunkerpr violates WP:COI and WP:REFSPAM on a regular basis and either deletes or ignores warnings on his talk page.
WP:COI violations (I. M. Mills, R. N. Zare, F. Légaré, P. Jensen, H. C. Longuet-Higgins, A. R. W. McKellar, C. di Lauro, T. Carrington are his associates [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]): [9] (see references #51 and #53 in the arXiv paper) [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [64] [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] [78] [79] [80]
Diffs with warnings about COI: [81] [82] [83] [84]
See also the bottom of this[85] message and this[86].
I suggest that Bunkerpr be blocked indefinitely per WP:DISRUPTONLY. A1E6 (talk) 06:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I gave a final warning since they're not currently active. They're on very thin ice. Star Mississippi 16:48, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment I haven’t met Bunkerpr in real life, but I work in the same research area. He’s an internationally respected scholar, trying to make contributions to Wikipedia in his retirement. His edits have all been technically correct, and he’s made edits having nothing to do with his own papers or book. I believe that this user has made these edits in good faith and that an indefinite block is going too far at this point. If a block is considered, it should be a short-term block issued as a warning. If the warning is not heeded, then next steps. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 13:23, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Bunkerpr calls the rules "the stupid rules of wiki land"[87]. This is not good faith, he is not here to build an encyclopedia (WP:CNH), he just wants to promote his work and work of his associates (as you can see in the diffs). He was warned several times in the past (and was also blocked) but this wasn't enough (as you can see in the diffs). So blocking indefinitely is the only solution. A1E6 (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I did go through many of the diffs. I wasn’t aware that he’d been blocked in the past. I’m aware of those comments since they occurred in a conversation with me, wherein I was trying to steer him away from the point of view you just mentioned. As far as I know that’s the only negative comment he made, and he probably thought he was making it in confidence since he seemed unaware of why Wikipedia works the way it works. He was, I think, trying to strike an apologetic tone with me but certainly I wasn’t the one who needed an apology. In any case, if he was blocked in the past that may be a different kettle of fish. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Bunkerpr may not be the best or most experienced Wikipedia editor, but I find his recent edits to generally be constructive in that they improve the encyclopedia's coverage. It is unfortunate that Bunkerpr refspammed in the past, but he doesn't seem to be doing that anymore since September 2020. In [88] he settled for a version without his book referenced with the comment "Ah Well. People will have to look at my book to really understand angular momenta in molecules", so he seems to have internalized the refspam policy. Well, minus adding his book in [89]. Other papers he has cited since then have been Mills and Légaré, for which the COI claims seem overblown; e.g. François Légaré published precisely one paper together with Bunker, and from the actual paper site you can see they were all at difference research institutions and it was a collaboration of diverse researchers. Similarly Mills coauthored a paper and met Bunker at a picnic. Using this flimsy evidence we would ban everyone with an Erdős number from citing Erdős's papers because of COI.
- There is likely to be an actual COI of Bunkerpr editing his own Wikipedia page Philip Bunker and the page of his doctoral advisor Christopher Longuet-Higgins, but he seems to have stopped that too. I have placed COI templates on their talk pages. --Mathnerd314159 (talk) 18:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- At worst I would say Bunkerpr deserves a main-article ban, he should at least be able to leave messages on talk pages. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 19:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Unfortunately, Bunkerpr is continuing to edit the page Philip Bunker, even after the warnings. It does seem like he's unresponsive and doesn't plan to stop his practices. This is very unfortunate. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 21:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- as a partial step, he has been p-blocked from the article Star Mississippi 01:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- These logs [90][91] are very suspicious. It is possible that Bunkerpr uses socks/new IPs/his associates to edit the article. Also on 9/8/2020, Bunkerpr added[92] the link [93] to Angular momentum operator. On 9/18/2020, Sergeyarhivarius added[94] the same link to Spectroscopy. A1E6 (talk) 12:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @A1E6. I blocked the IP as the quacking is deafening. Suggest this goes to SPI for broader tracking. Star Mississippi 14:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- ETA: the IP disclosed here. If someone thinks that merits an even longer block, I have no objection. Star Mississippi 14:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's up to you, but I don't see an end in sight. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, but with one person opposing further action is going to need SPI or consensus. Star Mississippi 01:32, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's up to you, but I don't see an end in sight. Qflib, aka KeeYou Flib (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- ETA: the IP disclosed here. If someone thinks that merits an even longer block, I have no objection. Star Mississippi 14:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @A1E6. I blocked the IP as the quacking is deafening. Suggest this goes to SPI for broader tracking. Star Mississippi 14:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- These logs [90][91] are very suspicious. It is possible that Bunkerpr uses socks/new IPs/his associates to edit the article. Also on 9/8/2020, Bunkerpr added[92] the link [93] to Angular momentum operator. On 9/18/2020, Sergeyarhivarius added[94] the same link to Spectroscopy. A1E6 (talk) 12:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- as a partial step, he has been p-blocked from the article Star Mississippi 01:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support some sort of sanction. One option I had been thinking of was a ban from BLP and science pages. Gusfriend (talk) 00:51, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support ban from directly editing articles related to chemistry, atomic and molecular physics, or Philip Bunker. Since this is a COI issue, edits to talk pages should still be allowed. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
User:مصر المصريين mass moving pages to their preferred spelling
Just a quick note that مصر المصريين (talk · contribs) started an undiscussed mass move of pages, mass changing the spelling of people's names to Arabic transliteration (Abdul Hussain --> Abd al-Husayn, Abdul Latif --> ʻAbd al-Laṭīf, etc.). I've asked them to stop and reverted a couple of most recent moves, but I'm unable to follow through with reversal of all the ~80 page moves. Can someone step in to help? Thanks, — kashmīrī TALK 13:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- These are not my "preferred spellings", but the convention of WP:MOSAR for the romanization of Arabic on Wikipedia, which you've probably never read. مصر المصريين (talk) مصر المصريين (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have just read WP:MOSAR and it certainly does not mandate changing the common English translation of a name to a strict transliteration. In fact it says quite the reverse. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Precisely. MOSAR explicitly states that
The strict transliteration (...) is only used for etymology
, while articles titles should follow the article naming criteria. You need to revert all your page moves. — kashmīrī TALK 14:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC) - لمصريين should revert these changes and wait for consensus before restoring or performing any similar moves. MOSAR is in line with the vast majority of wikipedia style standards in stating that article titles should follow "translation or transcription that is most often used in English-language reliable sources (WP:COMMONNAME principle)", which in many of these moves can be easily shown to be the pre-move name.Dialectric (talk) 14:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- MOSAR is actually a bit intricate and not always well understood. For the names of modern people, places and things we use 'common transcription', which is basically WP:COMMONNAME: use the most common spelling in RS or the one used by the subject themselves. However, for historical subjects, RS themselves use transliteration, with the precise rules varying almost from publication to publication. For these subjects we too use a transliteration system, adapted from one of the most widely used ones in English-language sources, with two sets of rules: one with all the diacritics in place ('strict transliteration'), and another, simplified version of this which is easy to type for all editors because containing only ASCII characters ('basic transcription').But 'basic transcription', which is the standard for article titles, is still a transliteration system, and only fit for historical subjects and other subjects for which no 'common transcription' exists. Finally arriving at what مصر المصريين has been doing, i.e., moving name articles to transliterated titles, this is perhaps one of the most difficult types of articles to decide on. Often one finds a dozen or more different spellings for one name, with none of them being particularly more prominent. Though there are possible objections upon which I will not elaborate here, it would make some sense to use transliteration to make all Arabic name articles uniform and easy to decide on. However, and that is why we are here, this would mean moving hundreds of pages, which is something that should never be done without getting a solid consensus for it first.We do have a bit of a problem though with an obvious space for editors to go and propose this. I would suggest Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Arabic names task force, but the last 10 edits there go back to 2011. There's also WT:ARAB, but it's near-dead too. Your best bet is probably WT:APO with a notice of the discussion at WT:ISLAM. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 00:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- All those page moves should be reversed, if they've not gone through the RM process, let alone gotten a consensus to be moved. GoodDay (talk) 00:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I feel this account might belong to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SheryOfficial. Quack! — kashmīrī TALK 19:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well one thing that seems certain is that this user has edited a lot before creating this account. It's also true that SheryOfficial socks of the last past half year have been disruptively moving pages (many of which I have reverted during the past week), including quite a few moves citing MOSAR. However, that's where the similarity ends. I am very familiar with SheryOfficial, and though one can never be sure, I don't think it's them at this point. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
How is one able to contact the editor-in-question, aside from posting at the editor's talkpage. Pinging would be difficult, as I don't have non-english letters on my keyboard. GoodDay (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just copy and paste their username (مصر المصريين) inside the ping template. M.Bitton (talk) 14:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Bblqk37
Bblqk37 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This is an editor with a self-admitted conflict of interest who has been asked by myself and an admin (see comment by "Waggers" on their talk page) to respect the COI rules. Yet, for some reason, they seem to think that the rules don't apply to them. Your input on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I just noticed on their talk page that they now want me to supply them with my "full name and country of residence". M.Bitton (talk) 16:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- This looks like a blatant case of WP:NOTHERE, especially their demand that M.Bitton
supply your full name and country of residence
. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 16:52, 13 July 2022 (UTC) - 24 hour vacation for edit warring on Cairngorm Club. If communication doesn't follow, I think we'll be in longer block territory. Star Mississippi 16:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Clear legal threat too. Secretlondon (talk) 19:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah but it was made 5 and a half years ago and they have since removed it. Canterbury Tail talk 19:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Away and get a life. Clearly you are in the USA. You do not have any legal right to ban me from anything in the UK. Bblqk37 (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi and Canterbury Tail: what do you think of their reply? M.Bitton (talk) 18:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Well that was something. If I'd been here instead of out drinking I'd probably have indeffed them as well. Canterbury Tail talk 21:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- thanks to that and the recent nonsense on their talk, I've indeffed. Should they wish to return as a collaborative editor, the usual processes remain available. Thanks for flagging @M.Bitton Star Mississippi 18:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi and Canterbury Tail: what do you think of their reply? M.Bitton (talk) 18:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Bacon Noodles
Disclaimer: I am the primary contributor of several Star Trek articles which I have done a lot of work creating/expanding to get to GA status. This is the same way I work on many other film and TV articles with other editors, but there is less interest from other editors on these ones so the contribution stats are definitely skewed towards me by a lot. I am not surprised that someone might have WP:OWNERSHIP concerns with me because of that, but I firmly believe that there is no actual issue with my approach here. I am raising this because Bacon Noodles appears to be using these facts as a way to borderline-harass me into getting their own way in a content dispute:
- They added disputed content to Star Trek: Discovery (diff) which had some back-and-forth reverts before a discussion started
- Discussions at Talk:Star Trek: Discovery and MOS:TV both found consensus for my position and almost no support for Bacon Noodles
- Across both discussions, Bacon Noodles has accused me of ownership at least seven times. They have also left WP:WALLOFTEXT accusations at my talk page (diff 1 and diff 2) and their own (diff)
- I have pointed out the irony of this since I am working with other editors to get consensus for my position and they are not
- I have also asked them to stop these accusations multiple times as it is starting to feel like WP:HOUNDING to force me to back off, but they keep on posting them
- I am especially concerned that they seem to be continuously posting accusations to my own talk page
Despite consensus forming to remove the disputed content that was added, Bacon Noodles's changes are still in the article and I am concerned about what they will do to try and keep them in. If they agree to back off with the accusations and remove the disputed content from the article then I will be happy to move on, but otherwise I will keep looking for ways to resolve the issue. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I've read both discussions and they do seem to favor User:Adamstom.97. I think the ownership accusations as part of those discussion are personal attacks and distract from discussing the content. Adam seems to have been very patient here in describing the policy. I'd recommend Bacon Noodles to walk away quickly.--v/r - TP 00:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not going to dismiss it as appearing as prompted by simple content complaints or as being completely unrelated; in fact, I made a point of it that my concern stems from the ways User:Adamstom.97 dealt with an edit I made to a page, which went they then went to unusual extremes to remove. To be clear on the actuality of things, rather than a single-sided interpretation, I've compiled a fuller, not complete, timeline of interactions, to show it's more than a knee-jerk reaction to having an edit reverted. There are quite a lot of points, so I don't want to write too much above it, at this stage. But, to address the main accusations:
- "Disputed" is an objection, when there has been no previous discussion on inclusion and no factual/contextual errors; I maintain this was not sufficient to revert and, the eventual (second revert) recommendation to discuss the matter was a step in the right direction.
- "You vs Everyone consensus" is wrong because I have highlighted opposing views, as well as my own; incorrect to say a consensus was ignored, before there was a consensus. On one talk page, I even stated that I did not disagree with the general consensus and more with the potential lack of neutrality in implementation. (Referencing it as a reason to revert, 10 minutes after adding it, during an ongoing discussion)
- "WP:OWNER 7 times" close enough, however, in my first message to User talk:Adamstom.97, I made an attempt to directly address my concerns; I did not assert it was any one edit or statistic, but what I felt was a trend that I had observed. WP:WALLOFTEXT was to attempt more objectivity, to quote likely indicators and perceived evidence matching.
- "No consensus building" if the complaint is I don't spend enough time on Wikipedia, that's the WP:PULLRANK point. I have explained my viewpoint, in response to concerns from different users ([95], [96], [97]); I don't keep refreshing the page and to expect a loop of repeating phrases is frivolous.
- "WP:HOUNDING" first talk page message clear on appreciation for WP:STEWARDSHIP, not "dislike, revert, remove, silence." MOS:TV specifically called me "offending user" and "pointed" to respond. first was large, to be unambiguous. second was paraphrased version, to reduce WP:WALLOFTEXT, after replying on my own talk page. Automatic notification on both reverts and reply on own talk.
- "Concerned about what they will do to try and keep them in" I'm insulted by this; after all the things Adamstom.97 has done, rather than wait for the discussion to end naturally, or another editor to implement changes, I am baselessly accused as being likely to do the unthinkable (whatever that may be). This is one of the prime reasons I'm concerned; if the response to a concern is this instead of just saying "I disagree", how are first-time editors meant to respond in a similar situation (again)? All over what started as one line about rerun ratings in a section on viewership and a statement on disagreeing about reverting to remove, before discussing.
- I added referenced content to Star Trek: Discovery, which I deemed relevant to a specific section on viewership; this displayed as one sentence.
- Back-and-forth reverting, initiated by User:Adamstom.97 (two each, additions maintained on last)
- Shortly before the final reversion (taken by me), I had begun a discussion on the article's talk page, as suggested in a reversion comment from Adamstom.97
- The immediate response was that this was "out of line" due to not having their endorsement to add it
- Several days later, the article was reverted by Adamstom.97 on the perceived grounds of WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO, as well as a reference to additions to a manual of style
- Counter to that action, I reverted to the previous (still containing the original edit from myself), on the grounds of perceived WP:STONEWALLING, unjustified WP:BRD (WP:BRD-NOT); the same page also mentioned the latter as a potential sign of WP:OWNERSHIP, which I chose to apply in line with each
- Partially based on the talk page discussion, I revised the edit to include multiple new references and background, addressing points raised on notability, source reliability and context
- Adamstom.97's objection changed to "bare minimum" and WP:UNDUE, from lack of same qualities.
- Prompted by the mention of the manual of style, I reviewed the page's history and found that the specific reference to reruns (applicable to the original edit in dispute) was added by Adamstom.97, shortly before their reversion, in the previous point; however, the edits to the manual did have a discussion with a general consensus among those discussing
- The changes were reverted by myself, on the procedural grounds that it was applied to the background of the Star Trek: Discovery discussion and directly used by Adamstom.97 to justify removing the edit, despite that ongoing discussion not yet having an apparent consensus (most recent discussion, prior to Adamstom.97's reversion)
- On the manual of style talk page, I added my views on the change and emphasis that my concerns were based on application, but also the way that Adamstom.97 lacked sufficient individual neutrality to implement the change due to veiled attacks directed towards me as "offending user" and "someone who is trying to add [rerun ratings] without any commentary [... not] in appropriate context". On the claim that I am "hounding", the timings are clear a response on the MOS was expected, even requested, although slightly before my revision on context/relevance
- In response to my concerns on neutrality and effect of the change, Adamston.97's replied that I had "forced" my "own personal view upon multiple other editors" and "[keep] doing whatever the hell you want"
- As a final response, on the MOS page, I reiterated that my concern was separate from the Star Trek page, how so, and my issue that the MOS change appeared to bypass the ongoing Star Trek discussion
- Finally, to respond to what I had felt reached a concerning level of uncivil behaviour, I posted to User talk:Adamstom.97, as recommended by Wikipedia:Civility#Dealing with incivility, when no one article is the focus; I even included a point where I acknowledge it is likely to appear personal or biased, so to compensate, I included quotes from WP:OWNBEHAVIOUR on the signs of it and, what I felt, although retrospectively it may have been an overreach, were objective statistical comparisons to demonstrate the trend in reverting good faith edits by multiple editors, being the overwhelming single contributor to related articles (including how it is not on its own enough), and going as far as changing manuals of styles, what I continue to feel was, to bypass discussion, and not typical in comparable examples.
- The message was removed/reverted by Adamstom.97, responded to at my own user talk page, dismissing it as WP:HOUNDING, entirely personal and that it would be dealt with by "reporting you for harassment"
- I replied identically on two pages, first with a paraphrased version on User talk:Adamstom.97, in a format less likely to be WP:WALLOFTEXT. In my second reply, on my talk page, I placed links to the original messages for context, I reiterated my observation of WP:OWNBEHAVIOUR signs, how it was not towards any specific content or edit with a trend, and my concern at dismissing it as retribution.
- User:Adamstom.97 submitted their interpretation of events as perceived harassment, and brought it here.
- I'll be clear, I do not think everything was said perfectly, and there has definitely been regrettably charged language at times, not always; although I can't quote every policy and when one should have been used instead of another, I still believe the patterns show my concerns were/are genuine and not purely out of contempt over a reversion, where I have freely highlighted concerns to prospective editors. -- Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 11:48, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I seem to be the only administrator who has taken an interest here. So, let me be clear. I read your timeline. You have a serious case of not listening. Consensus is against you. The MOS doesn't support your insertion of material. There is no ownership issues here, you're just wrong. And continuing to push that as your central point is becoming a personal attack. So, literally shut the fuck up and do something else for awhile because your behavior is bordering on tendentious. Stop it. You're wrong.--v/r - TP 01:02, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'll be clear, I do not think everything was said perfectly, and there has definitely been regrettably charged language at times, not always; although I can't quote every policy and when one should have been used instead of another, I still believe the patterns show my concerns were/are genuine and not purely out of contempt over a reversion, where I have freely highlighted concerns to prospective editors. -- Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 11:48, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Selfstudier
User: Selfstudier (talk · contribs).
Page: Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2022 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs).
When I added links to the 'See also' section, Selfstudier reverted me ([98], [99], [100], [101]) demanding to get consensus first, and left a message on my talk page calling my editing disruptive. But when he added links to the same section and I reverted him ([102], [103], [104]), he re-added them and left a "warning" on my talk page accusing me of disruptive editing, again. He continues to push his POV, despite it's being against consensus.
Earlier on the same talk page, after he tried to remove content and received pushback, he said things like "we can do that or we can have a POV free for all, your choice" and "It's OK, the POV game is open to be played by more than one person as I said above". --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- He made edits you dont like, and you made edits he doesnt like, and for some reason that merits a trip to ANI? Misusing this board in an attempt to remove an opponent isnt the best idea and opens you up to a WP:BOOMERANG. nableezy - 03:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's also worth noting that Triggerhippie4 (talk · contribs) has not made a single edit to Selfstudier's talk except for the ANI notice, which I'd consider the bare minimum dispute resolution before an ANI is worthy. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 03:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I addressed Selfstudier numerous times on the talk page mentioned above. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- He's instructing others to apply to requirements he's not doing himself. And he's openly saying he's pushing POV. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think there should be concern about an editor essentially openly threatening to mess with POV due to additions. That's not constructive, but it's also not ANI worthy, because saying ther are going to, isn't the same doing it. FrederalBacon (talk) 03:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think if you look at the thread where Selfstudier saying it, you'll see that's what he's doing. That's why he's bragging about own POV-pushing. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 04:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- He isnt bragging about anything, he is saying your POV pushing should be answered. And your claim of it being against consensus is nonsense. Neither of you have consensus on that talk page. And this is straightforward attempt to remove an opponent from that talk page. Which, again, is not a smart move. nableezy - 06:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I really appreciate Selfstudier's contributions, he's been great at updating the page. But he was wrong in the last couple of days. These were really like made to make a point, and then he edit warred on it and continued with a nonsense tag. His whole tone on the talk page was as if he was doing this all as retaliation.Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 08:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- He isnt bragging about anything, he is saying your POV pushing should be answered. And your claim of it being against consensus is nonsense. Neither of you have consensus on that talk page. And this is straightforward attempt to remove an opponent from that talk page. Which, again, is not a smart move. nableezy - 06:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think if you look at the thread where Selfstudier saying it, you'll see that's what he's doing. That's why he's bragging about own POV-pushing. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 04:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's also worth noting that Triggerhippie4 (talk · contribs) has not made a single edit to Selfstudier's talk except for the ANI notice, which I'd consider the bare minimum dispute resolution before an ANI is worthy. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 03:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Let's start at the beginning: Diff1 7 July The complainant edited a new section of the talk page entitled "Selfstudier", complained about a removal I made and asserts without evidence that I do not WP:OWN the page.
Diff 2 & Diff 3 I changed the section title and complainant changed it back once again alleging WP:OWN and again without evidence.
I referred the complainant to their talk page Diff 4 and point out that WP:TALKHEADPOV says ""Never use headings to attack other users: While no personal attacks and assuming good faith apply everywhere at Wikipedia, using headings to attack other users by naming them in the heading is especially egregious" and asked for an apology. None was forthcoming.
As for the "see alsos", I was initially of the view that a basic timeline article did not need them and indeed the article managed without them since its creation until they were added on 1 July (including a redlink) Diff 5. There ensued discussions on the talk page after I removed them and since two editors wanted them in, I let it go.
However, when I then attempted to add see alsos according to this new "consensus", the same two editors who insisted on having see alsos to begin with had an apparent change of heart, only their see alsos were to be allowed but mine were not. 2022 in Israel would be OK while directly related links per WP:MOS added by myself would not be OK, described by complainant as "spam links about broad subjects not specific to this year" [Diff 6] and most recently on the talk page as "spamming of it with vague and POV links" and now by a second editor (of the same POV as the complainant) as "a collection of broad unrelated links".
It is clear that the two editors claiming a "consensus" on this issue are now for all practical purposes, teaming. I would like either editor to explain why the see alsos added by myself are not allowed and what is the basis for their reverts. Essentially, both editors are abusing the see also section to push a POV, which is why I tagged it (tag now removed Diff 7 with edit summary "how in the world "2022 in Israel" is POV? removing ridiculous tag" !? That these editors are unable to see that this is POV is somewhat concerning.
Selfstudier (talk) 09:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Selfstudier, I have been working with you collegially on that page for more than a month. I am the third editor, with you being first, by number of edits on the page. I greatly appreciate your many valuable contributions. Why are you now coming at me with the outrageous "teaming" accusation?Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 09:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @חוקרת: Perhaps you should answer why you think links reflecting only one-side of a two-way conflict is not POV, but "nonsense": I'd definitely like to know. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- The page is about the conflict in 2022, thus "2022 in Israel" is relevant and your additions are irrelevant, unreasonable and excessive. Besides that, "2022 in Israel" is neutral, while yours are one-sided, but you, of course, knows this, otherwise you wouldn't add them. As for the accusation of "teaming up" – what does this even mean? I'm not familiar and don't recall ever having a contact with him/her, if that's what you're saying. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Noting that the page is currently subject to active arbitration remedies. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 12:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Persistent addition of copyright violation content
Romcreator (talk · contribs) has at least twice added copyright violation content to Dmitry Steshin and Alexander Kots (journalist); moreover, the source doesn't mention either Steshin or Kots [105]. This raises questions as to whether other passages in the articles they've created contain WP:OR, or have also been copied from their foreign language sources, which I'm unable to read. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 12:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, there is a video record of the event, where you can see the presentation with both Steshin and Kots. And the discussion among journalists about them.
- You can check the video (the picture in left corner is Kots, in right corner - Steshin)
- search for "Російська пропаганда як інструмент геноциду українського народу. Методи виявлення та викриття" in YouTube, 5min26sec Romcreator (talk) 12:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- But it's not in the source you've been using. Can you confirm whether you've added copied text elsewhere? 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 12:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Should I add the YouTube video as a source in this case? Romcreator (talk) 12:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have taken some of the statements from this article (which I want to mention as a source):
- https://imi.org.ua/en/news/ukrainian-journalists-call-to-punish-russian-propagandists-for-facilitating-the-genocide-in-ukraine-i46351
- Is this a violation of Wiki rules? What I need to do in this case?
- (I'm new in Wiki, sorry) Romcreator (talk) 12:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- But it's not in the source you've been using. Can you confirm whether you've added copied text elsewhere? 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 12:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You're still not responding to the original concern re: copyright violations. Until that's resolved, I wouldn't recommend making any further edits. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 12:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- No, this content is original. Some of it was taken from Russian-languauge Wiki and translated by me. Romcreator (talk) 12:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- To the contrary, at least some of the Steshin article appears to have been copied, as from [106]. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 12:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- should I rewrite this? Romcreator (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- What is a best and correct way to add this information? Romcreator (talk) 13:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- should I rewrite this? Romcreator (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- To the contrary, at least some of the Steshin article appears to have been copied, as from [106]. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 12:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You're still not responding to the original concern re: copyright violations. Until that's resolved, I wouldn't recommend making any further edits. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 12:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Add Semen Pegov. On further reading, the broader concern here is with the agenda and POV--are these Russian propagandists notable, and do the sources meet WP:RELIABLE?. Though Romcreator professes to be a new editor, unfamiliar with the process, thay seem to know what they're doing quite well. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Issues involving Thundercloss 2
They are being disruptive. Last ANI for reference.
- Reverts [107] [108] [109] against discussion outcome.
- Old edit war notice was given [110].
- Asking for admin [111] after reverting [112] without notifying anyone involved [113]. Again [114] and [115] and history.
- The "improperly altered" series of canned edit summaries [116] [117] [118] [119] [120] [121] [122] [123] [124] [125] [126] that were difficult to tell what actually changed or were misleading.
- Keep opening new sections and recycling old arguments such as "threadbare" and "do you deny" in discussion, some since June. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vacosea (talk • contribs) 14:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Suggest that they take some time to reflect what they're trying to do here on Wikipedia. Vacosea (talk) 13:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- the filer has engaged in their share of disruptive editing [127], [128] and I have stopped reverting after the involvement of a previously uninvolved editor. I did not give notice to the filer when I went to the noticeboards because I didnt make and had no intention of making the filer the subject of the discussions. I’ve been discussing many of the issues with the filer that have given rise to the edit warring on the associated talk page but at this point it is basically like talking to a brick wall with them. Some administrative on THAT would be nice Thundercloss (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I've now had one interaction with Thundercloss, which is at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Help needed for a long running dispute. They asked for assistance breaking a deadlock, and I advised them to stop accusing other editors of not reading their posts, and to realize consensus is currently against them and move on or start an RFC. Their response was to accuse me of not reading. Refuses to accept consensus, and assumes bad faith of those that disagree with them. Not a great mix. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- it wasn’t helpful advice because they haven’t been reading the stuff I’ve been writing and that’s evidenced by their responses. That’s not me assuming bad faith or refusing to accept consensus, that’s just me stating a fact. If an admin thinks I’m wrong they are free to go through the discussion page and verify the accusation for themselves. That said I have stopped reverting now, and will commit to this position from now on given the number of and comments by new editors who are now involved in this dispute. I should also point out that I am still in the process of discussing many of the issues with the filer on the associated talk page that have given rise to the edit warring on the main article. But given the discussion history I’m not optimistic that the negotiations are going to go anywhere. Thundercloss (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Or they read what you wrote, and disagree or aren't convinced. You are specifically assuming bad faith. Either move on or start an RFC, and stop accusing editors that disagree with you of not reading what you're saying. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- we aren’t going to get anywhere with this accusation issue so i won’t waste anymore time talking about that. I will start an RFC but not before doing everything I can to resolve as many of the disputes on the discussion page as possible. But once more - given the discussion history I’m not optimistic that much is going to get resolved.Thundercloss (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just remember there is a difference between resolved, reaching consensus and done the way you want. They can sometimes be the same thing, but not always. Resolution and consensus may be against what you personally feel it should be. Canterbury Tail talk 15:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- we aren’t going to get anywhere with this accusation issue so i won’t waste anymore time talking about that. I will start an RFC but not before doing everything I can to resolve as many of the disputes on the discussion page as possible. But once more - given the discussion history I’m not optimistic that much is going to get resolved.Thundercloss (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You went to a notice board, and then when you did not get the answer you wanted accused the user of not reading the dispute. That does not look like assuming good faith to me. Slatersteven (talk) 14:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Or they read what you wrote, and disagree or aren't convinced. You are specifically assuming bad faith. Either move on or start an RFC, and stop accusing editors that disagree with you of not reading what you're saying. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- it wasn’t helpful advice because they haven’t been reading the stuff I’ve been writing and that’s evidenced by their responses. That’s not me assuming bad faith or refusing to accept consensus, that’s just me stating a fact. If an admin thinks I’m wrong they are free to go through the discussion page and verify the accusation for themselves. That said I have stopped reverting now, and will commit to this position from now on given the number of and comments by new editors who are now involved in this dispute. I should also point out that I am still in the process of discussing many of the issues with the filer on the associated talk page that have given rise to the edit warring on the main article. But given the discussion history I’m not optimistic that the negotiations are going to go anywhere. Thundercloss (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- They did seem rather dismissive from what I have seen (the same place as ScottishFinnishRadish). Slatersteven (talk) 14:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
You really need to read wp:bludgeon. Slatersteven (talk) 17:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Continuous problematic behavior by User:Akerbeltz
Hello. I'd like to report edit warring, a violation of WP:BRD and MOS:PRON by User:Akerbeltz.
I removed the stress mark from the IPA transcriptions of Basque in Álava, Basque language and San Sebastián because it is not a part of the Help:IPA/Basque guide. Per MOS:PRON (section Other languages), Other languages have dedicated IPA-xx templates, where xx is the 2-letter ISO 639-1 code or the 3-letter ISO 639-3 code for the language in question, as in {{IPA-el}} for Greek or {{IPA-fa}} for Persian. A number of languages also have dedicated templates that automatically convert ordinary letters (or conventional ASCII equivalents) to IPA characters that are used to transcribe the language in question, such as {{IPAc-fr}} for French and {{IPAc-cmn}} for Mandarin Chinese. These languages and templates are listed at {{IPA}}. Again, if the language you're transcribing has such an IPA key, use the conventions of that key. If you wish to change those conventions, bring it up for discussion on the key's talk page. Creating transcriptions unsupported by the key or changing the key so that it no longer conforms to existing transcriptions will confuse readers.
This means that transcriptions linking to Help:IPA/X guides should agree with those guides and vice versa.
They keep refusing to engage with me on Help talk:IPA/Basque, which is the appropriate place for such discussions. Edit summaries such as adding stress symbols to shut up the IPA lawyer show that this person has absolutely no interest in respecting the proper way of dealing with such issues, instead showing the my way or the highway (or WP:OWNERSHIP, basically) philosophy. Given that they've been here for over a decade, they really ought to know better than to behave like this.
First wave of edits: [129], [130], [131]. Reverts: [132], [133], [134].
Second wave of edits: [135], [136], [137]. Reverts: [138], [139], [140]. Note the edit summary it just says "use the conventions of that language, it does NOT say you can only use what's listed on the IPA page, indeed many languages don't even have that page
which is clearly at odds with what MOS:PRON says (and then goes off on a tangent about other languages that are not the topic of the discussion).
Third wave of edits: [141], [142]. Reverts: [143], [144]. The edit summaries that read restore stress mark, stop removing relevant info, the stress mark is so universal it's not going to confuse anyone who can read IPA
give off WP:OWNERSHIP vibes with a complete disregard for MOS:PRON. And it is an insult to my intelligence to suggest that I think that a stress mark would "confuse" someone who can read the IPA, as it is one of the most basic IPA signs.
Then, after User:Largoplazo created a discussion on Talk:San Sebastián#Phonetic representation, Akerbeltz added the stress mark to Help:IPA/Basque with a disregard for other IPA transcriptions of Basque which would then have to be changed per MOS:PRON (to repeat myself, this means that transcriptions linking to Help:IPA/X guides should agree with those guides and vice versa.) Because of that, I reverted them. Then, they start edit warring with me, disregarding MOS:PRON and WP:BRD. In fact, they completely disregarded WP:BRD as they ignored the discussion on Help talk:IPA/Basque#Stress mark. Diffs: [145], [146], [147], [148], [149], [150], [151], [152], [153]. Sol505000 (talk) 19:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- While your complaint here is, I'm assuming, aimed primarily at the edit warring, can I just hold up for reflection the notion that if phonetic transcriptions from a particular language uniformly fail to represent something so fundamental as the stress, we must never begin remediating that deficiency anywhere because we can't fix it everywhere at once?
- The real deficiency seems to have been at Help:IPA/Basque, and Akerbeltz fixed that. I don't see how you make that out to be a MOS:PRON violation. Where does MOS:PRON say "Thou shalt not include stress in IPA representations"? Have you taken a look at Help:IPA/Spanish? Help:IPA/Russian? Largoplazo (talk) 01:52, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Akerbeltz is generally a good editor; the problem here is that if IPA-eu is changed, then all the articles that link to it should be changed to match. That's a significant project, affecting many articles, so there should be an announcement on the talk page of the key, where people could register their objections. At the least, a discussion should be started on the intended project if they start running into difficulty implementing it because they're getting reverted. It's not a matter of whether stress should be marked or not [and BTW stress is much less salient in Basque than it is in Spanish or Russian, so those aren't good analogies], but of consistency. No, it doesn't have to all be done at once, but there should be some indication that there are plans to do it, like 'I've started a project to add stress to all trasclusions of this key.' Also, in the case of marginal distinctions like this, there may be good reason to avoid it (such as it being inconsistent between dialects). Why wasn't it in the key to begin with? Was there a consensual decision to not include it or to remove it? That might be relevant to restoring it. — kwami (talk) 04:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- As for why it wasn't there, I suspect nobody ever got round to the suprasegmentals, since there's nothing exotic about primary/secondary stress. People likely have to check up on stuff like ɟ or ts̻ in Basque but ˈ much less so.
- As for the edit war, I object to people wasting other people's time for no good reason. The primary stress mark is hardly exotic in IPA and its use Araba and Donostia is relevant and non-controversial. For an editor with an apparent knowledge of the IPA and MOS but apparently little in the way of Basque to come in and start removing stuff from Basque pages because of some rather dubious MOS angle and then to have the cheek to suggest if I add the missing bit they've complained about to the IPA page that this means I am therefore obliged to weed through an unknown number of pages, sorry, that's wasting everyone's time for *very* little gain, so yeah, I get short with that kind of thing and I'm not apologetic about it. Akerbeltz (talk) 10:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: Some good points that I hadn't considered. About the inconsistency part, though: It isn't the same as if someone were to replace one representation with another and begin implementing the new one. That would create confusion, with the same sound or phoneme being represented in different ways in different places. In this case, there would be renderings that indicate the stress and renderings that don't. This wouldn't be confusing, it would look like what it was: a case of something missing that could be added by anyone who came along, noticed the deficiency, and knew where the stress marks should go. Largoplazo (talk) 11:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Like incomplete tone information in languages that have simple tone systems that a lot of dictionaries don't bother with. I've come across WP transcriptions like that, and yeah, it's pretty obvious that they're simply incomplete. I have no objection to that, but at this point, having come to ANI, I think it would be best for Akerbeltz to start a thread on the IPA-eu key talk page, saying what they intend to do and why, list a couple RS's, maybe ping those involved in creating the key or drop a note on the wikiproject talk pages, and wait a week for feedback. If no-one bothers to reply, you can take that as silent consensus. Sol505000 is correct in how we've set things up to work in this cooperative setting -- you need to satisfy those with no knowledge of the subject that you're following sources, because otherwise how can they tell? There's no rush here, and @Akerbeltz:, even if you're rolling your eyes over having to go all bureaucratic over something you find straightforward, remember that there's no peer-review before you publish, and it'll probably take less time and effort for you follow WP:BOLD than it will to repeatedly argue over it in edit-summaries. — kwami (talk) 20:29, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just gonna add, it isn't immediately obvious that the IPA transcriptions of Basque should include stress. Basque dialects show big differences in stress/accent patterns, and stress in Standard Basque has little to no contrastive value. MOS:PRON recommends, generally, following national or international standards, in this case being Standard Basque's stress patterns, but I think there is room for opposition and it's something that should be discussed. Erinius (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Like incomplete tone information in languages that have simple tone systems that a lot of dictionaries don't bother with. I've come across WP transcriptions like that, and yeah, it's pretty obvious that they're simply incomplete. I have no objection to that, but at this point, having come to ANI, I think it would be best for Akerbeltz to start a thread on the IPA-eu key talk page, saying what they intend to do and why, list a couple RS's, maybe ping those involved in creating the key or drop a note on the wikiproject talk pages, and wait a week for feedback. If no-one bothers to reply, you can take that as silent consensus. Sol505000 is correct in how we've set things up to work in this cooperative setting -- you need to satisfy those with no knowledge of the subject that you're following sources, because otherwise how can they tell? There's no rush here, and @Akerbeltz:, even if you're rolling your eyes over having to go all bureaucratic over something you find straightforward, remember that there's no peer-review before you publish, and it'll probably take less time and effort for you follow WP:BOLD than it will to repeatedly argue over it in edit-summaries. — kwami (talk) 20:29, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Akerbeltz is generally a good editor; the problem here is that if IPA-eu is changed, then all the articles that link to it should be changed to match. That's a significant project, affecting many articles, so there should be an announcement on the talk page of the key, where people could register their objections. At the least, a discussion should be started on the intended project if they start running into difficulty implementing it because they're getting reverted. It's not a matter of whether stress should be marked or not [and BTW stress is much less salient in Basque than it is in Spanish or Russian, so those aren't good analogies], but of consistency. No, it doesn't have to all be done at once, but there should be some indication that there are plans to do it, like 'I've started a project to add stress to all trasclusions of this key.' Also, in the case of marginal distinctions like this, there may be good reason to avoid it (such as it being inconsistent between dialects). Why wasn't it in the key to begin with? Was there a consensual decision to not include it or to remove it? That might be relevant to restoring it. — kwami (talk) 04:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Just because stress in Basque is complicated doesn't mean it's a complete free-for-all. Like you won't get [ˈdonos̺tia]) in any dialect but if we put [donos̺tia]) then the chances non-speakers putting the stress in a totally wrong position goes UP. Collaborative is fine by me until it turns into "my knowledge of some Wiki policy trumps subject expert knowledge", at which point it becomes a waste of time and the main reason I do so little mainspace editing on the English Wikipedia these days. Akerbeltz (talk) 10:25, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have never said that my knowledge of MOS:PRON or WP:BRD "trumps" your knowledge of Basque (I can't verify the "expert" part and it's not terribly relevant anyway). Stop putting words in my mouth. I can see that you participated in discussions on Help talk:IPA/Basque as early as in 2010 (12 years ago), so you really should've known better than to edit war with me in multiple articles. If you can't follow the aforementioned policies after that much time on WP then I can see why you edit so little. Sol505000 (talk) 11:36, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
100.11.127.115 misusing his talk page
See this contribution.
Please block him from using his talk page. Thank you. Kaseng55 (talk) 19:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yamla semi-protected the page, which is pretty much the same as removing the IP's talk page access, but also prevents disruption if they IP hop. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
A second chance
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In January I posted the following appeal. Every word I wrote then still stands, and I don't think I can improve upon it much (it was even described as "the Platonic ideal of a TBAN appeal - acceptance of wrongdoing, understanding of why things went wrong, commitment to focusing elsewhere on the project, and a plan for the future."), so I am repeating it here with a few additional comments below.
The other day I was notified that an article I created, Paul R. Devin, was nominated for deletion with the nominator saying it did not meet GNG. I created the article in 2006, when I was new, when the project was new, and when WP:N did not yet exist. I had long forgotten the article and it wasn't even on my watchlist. I wanted to support the deletion as I agree with the nominator but was prohibited by a T-ban I received a little more than two years ago. Devin was an official with the Knights of Columbus and I cannot make edits relating to the Knights.
In the two years since, I have dramatically reduced the amount of time I spend editing. In the last few months I have only made a handful of edits, and it will probably remain that way for the foreseeable future. I simply don't have the time to devote to the project that I once did. I have also tried to make amends with those with whom I have clashed in the past and generally stayed away from them in general. I have also largely moved away from contentious articles and instead have made putting women in red a focus. I've probably created close to 200 articles since then with many of them biographies of women.
More importantly, I have consciously moved away from the types of actions that precipitated the ban. I now recognize that I had a much more liberal interpretation of WP:ABOUTSELF than the community and I continued to argue after it was clear the consensus was moving away from me. Given how little time I have to devote to the project these days, I have no desire to spend any time at all on content disputes. I would much rather spend my limited time editing in quiet little corners of the encyclopedia and don't foresee making major changes to Knights-related articles. I even put into writing a plan to handle disputes and asked people to call me out on it when I fall short. All that said, I would like to be able participate in things like the deletion nomination mentioned above, and fix things like the reference error (currently number 48 on Knights of Columbus if anyone else wants to go there) that has existed since 2019.
I would especially like to know, even if I never make another Knights-related edit again, that I have regained the trust of the community. With that in mind, I am asking for a second chance and for my T-ban to be lifted. I would be glad to submit to a review in several months to make sure everything is copacetic. Alternatively, I would like to be able to at least participate in talk page discussions for a period of, say, two or three months, and then the community can evaluate my participation and see if a removal is appropriate.
Thank you all very much. --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 03:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
There was a string of comments supporting my appeal and the lifting of my T-ban. Indeed, the non-admin who closed it said there was a "a sound majority of votes" in favor of doing so. However, she and a few others interpreted my desire to not re-litigate the past as a refusal to engage in discussion. So, to be clear, my understanding of the actions that led to my sanction were my stubbornness in arguing points long after it became clear the consensus was moving against me. My view was not the community view and I wasn't changing anyone's mind, but that didn't stop me. As it was my argumentativeness that got me into trouble in the first place, perhaps I was overly cautious about not repeating the behavior in the appeal. Additionally, I was the primary author of several of the articles in question. When others raised legitimate concerns, I tried to address them. This was in good faith on my part, but was interpreted by others as Ownership-type behavior. While it wasn't my intent, given the totality of circumstances it was a reasonable conclusion on their part.
I think my track record in the intervening years shows a break with that behavior. I am not perfect, but those types of edits today are by far the exception and not the rule. In fact, I don't think you will find any in the seven months since my previous appeal (or longer). And, I still don't have much time to edit, don't have intentions of making major edits to Knights-related articles, am committed to Women in Red, and am still bothered by that persistent reference error I am prohibited from correcting.
In case you are wondering, the prompt for this new appeal is similar to the prompt for the last one: there was a question about the notability of a Knights of Columbus official's biography I created. Someone left a comment on my talk page and I briefly responded indicating that I didn't think it meets GNG. (I then notified the closing admin of the potentially offending edit.)
Given all of this, my primary motivation is still to simply regain the community's trust. There are those, including some who opposed lifting my T-ban, who have active sanctions against them. It does not seem to bother them. I am not sure if this is a credit to my character or a fault, but my sanctions have always weighed heavily on me. In line with the WP:Standard Offer, I want a second chance so that 1) I know I have earned it and 2) to prove that I deserve it. I hope you will give me the chance to do just that. Thank you. --Slugger O'Toole (talk) 21:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
‘’EDIT’’: While I appreciate all the votes of support, and hope to have this removed, it should be said in defense of the non-admin closer that I had to actively request a close at RFCL. The original conversation petered out and then was auto-archived. Had an admin stepped up before this happened, my tban may have been resolved months ago. I am not blaming the closer, even if her decision went against me. —Slugger O'Toole (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support, per WP:AGF, WP:ROPE and WP:SO and that Slugger adheres to the guidelines laid out in WP:COI. Note:Involved in the incidents at KofC and ANI that lead to the ban. Slywriter (talk) 21:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support per WP:LASTCHANCE. I very much disagree with the non-administrator close of the last appeal. Eight editors explicitly supported the appeal and only one opposed. Then there were some questions. I do not think that should have been closed by anyone other than an administrator. Cullen328 (talk) 23:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Support I continue to have concerns, however I think the appeal Slugger references should have been closed by an admin-and while I opposed, I was surprised that it didn't close as support/topic ban repealed. There are probably enough eyes on his articles, edits that any issues will be quickly identified. Star Mississippi 01:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Should have been lifted last time, terrible close by editor, verging on a supervote. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support per above. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:52, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Slugger O'Toole is aware of the behaviour that led to the topic ban and I trust that they are wise enough to avoid repeating it. I’m also concerned by the closure of the first appeal. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support. That was a dreadful original close, and I would certainly have contested/reverted it had I seen it - it should never have been closed by a non-admin. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Initial appeal should have been closed by an admin and argument for lifting is persuasive. Jip Orlando (talk) 14:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - This should have been done and settled back in February. The editor's initial topic ban seems necessary at the time, but the I believe the editor has shown that he understands what was problematic and has grown and improved since then, such that the topic ban is no longer necessary. - Aoidh (talk) 16:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Despite what WP:BADNAC says, some non-admins seem to feel that they are capable of making controversial closes, either due to lengthy experience on Wikipedia, or more likely an overestimation of their own abilities in judgment. This is certainly a case of the latter.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - and given the last discussion would say should be snow closed as lifted by an admin at this point. nableezy - 16:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Request seems entirely reasonable. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support thoughtful appeal. Andrevan@ 18:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Jeez Louise, non-admins should never close polls on ANI or AN, much less close a near-unanimous poll with the opposite result. Why a non-admin editor with barely 4 years' experience and barely 7,000 edits was allowed to close it, and against obvious consensus, is beyond me. More admins need to participate in ANI, and the thread should have simply been retrieved from the archive and given a DNAU tag until an admin closed it. Softlavender (talk) 18:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I appreciate the editors defense of the non-admin closer of the previous appeal and I do believe we should not be so quick to judgement of that editor, especially since the discussion was archived and a request had to be filed after an uninvolved admin never closed the discussion to begin with but I agree with the sentiments of the other editors here in that such a discussion should be closed by an admin. In regards to the editors appeal, it was thoughtful and nearly every original concern was addressed. There may be additional concerns as expressed by other editors but, as was pointed out, there are mechanisms in place to swiftly deal with any future issues that may arise should it be necessary. Imho, the editor has earned another chance. --ARoseWolf 19:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Seems like a sincere request, hopefully you will not let the people choosing to give you another chance down. --TylerBurden (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support A reasonable request. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 13:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Iterresise
The user Iterresise (talk · contribs · count) insists on simply deleting, without any prior discussion or consensus, various demographic tables from country articles (see here, here, here, here, etc). He has already been warned by user Moxy (see here and here) about this kind of destabilizing behavior and about the promotion of edit wars, but he insists on this kind of attitude. I request some kind of administrative intervention, as the previous warnings have not had any effect. Chronus (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yup...second report on this board ....they are not new very familiar with Useful links
- -(Moxy- 02:44, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
opps achieved ...my bad]Moxy- 02:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Moxy You think Neplota & Iterresise might be the same individual? GoodDay (talk) 02:56, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Notified the editor on their talk page about this thread since they hadn't recieved the notice. I found it odd that after being warned for edit warring they removed the warning citing "don't template the regulars". The account is less than four months old, so either there's some kind of delusions of grandeur going on or something's shady. Either way, I also find the behaviour incredibly disruptive. The templates they are removing are useful for readers of the articles to easily get an overview of population clusters without having to go to some different stub article for it that may or may not even be as detailed as the template itself, and the reasons they have been citing for removing it have been flawed at best. They're currently blocked for edit warring but if this continues more drastic measures should be taken. TylerBurden (talk) 19:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- They replaced the notification with an edit summary of "how ridiculous" [154] then changed their talk page User talk:Iterresise to "hypocrites and liars". I also agree that it is a little odd to say don't template the regulars when they posted a template on an editor who has been here since 2008 ([155]). Gusfriend (talk) 00:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- So it doesn't exactly look like they have learned from their mistakes. Calling people hypocrites when templating 2008 users.. nothing posted on that talk page has been a lie, their edit history confirms edit warring across several articles. I think a longer block at this point would be preventative because there is evidently no accountability here. TylerBurden (talk) 12:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- They replaced the notification with an edit summary of "how ridiculous" [154] then changed their talk page User talk:Iterresise to "hypocrites and liars". I also agree that it is a little odd to say don't template the regulars when they posted a template on an editor who has been here since 2008 ([155]). Gusfriend (talk) 00:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Notified the editor on their talk page about this thread since they hadn't recieved the notice. I found it odd that after being warned for edit warring they removed the warning citing "don't template the regulars". The account is less than four months old, so either there's some kind of delusions of grandeur going on or something's shady. Either way, I also find the behaviour incredibly disruptive. The templates they are removing are useful for readers of the articles to easily get an overview of population clusters without having to go to some different stub article for it that may or may not even be as detailed as the template itself, and the reasons they have been citing for removing it have been flawed at best. They're currently blocked for edit warring but if this continues more drastic measures should be taken. TylerBurden (talk) 19:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Moxy You think Neplota & Iterresise might be the same individual? GoodDay (talk) 02:56, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- They seem to have a history of making a change and, after they are reverted, repeating their edit. For example at International Science Olympiad they repeated their edit after it had been reverted [156] and gave a warning to the other user [157] which included the standard talk page message even though they rarely use the talk page themselves (and didn't in this situation). On the DAB pages Faro and DM they also re-added content after being reverted without using the talk page or attempting to generate a consensus. Gusfriend (talk) 06:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- (non-admin comment) Consensus which they would be very unlikely to get; MOS:DAB#Grouping by subject area recommends against the type of changes they made. Narky Blert (talk) 08:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not ban them longer for now...much easier to follow this account then the sock they will make. Moxy- 00:43, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- (non-admin comment) Consensus which they would be very unlikely to get; MOS:DAB#Grouping by subject area recommends against the type of changes they made. Narky Blert (talk) 08:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Legal threat/sockpuppet evasion?
I'm not quite sure how to deal with this, which could be both or either. I was going to just revert the edit but decided it wasn't clear that was the right thing to do. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 14:52, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note Previous discussions in 2018 and 2019, and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Freecomwireless. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 15:13, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- IP blocked for disruptive editing and probable block evasion. Not a legal threat imv but disruptive nonetheless. All their edits of this nature have been reverted. It's a reminder that this person is still active. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. Rev del applied by Drmies. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
User editing AFD and adding free press releases
I have nominated a page Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Philip_Brooks_(basketball) for AFD, the votes were in favor to delete the page because it has no independent coverage. The guy hired a few people from Upwork a freelancing site and hiring people to edit their page and save it. A person name Franklin Darrk and one more is adding useless website links such as weebly.com, their personal website of Philip, Press releases website, and trademark.trademarkia.com as a reference. I warned him multiple times but every time he added the links. Two Wikipedians including the voter told Franklin to add the 3 independent news sources to the article but he is adding weebly.com and personal website links as a third-party reference. Kindly take action and see the AFD page. --IntelisMust (talk) 15:11, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- (Non-administrator comment) @IntelisMust: As the red text near the top of the page states, you must notify the user in question on their talk page. I have done so for you this time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I doubt that there's much to do here except to close the AfD as a clear "delete", as has been done. I see that the editor in question has been given some warnings on their talk page. Any accusations of underhand behaviour need strong evidence to support them, and, unless an editor freely discloses their true identity on Wikipedia, we should be wary of WP:OUTING. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Vandalism only account Special:Contributions/WokesterSupplyChainChaos, likely a sock puppet of Special:Contributions/Inflation'sLastLaugh
Putting a large amount of copyrighted content into the Fractional-reserve banking article. Please see that article's history, and rev-deletions.
Thank you!! ---Avatar317(talk) 00:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Avatar317, I have revdel’d the offending text. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 17:25, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
User:112.198.163.142
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User:112.198.163.142 keeps adding/reverting back in WP:OR / MOS:PUFFERY to Battle rap and called me a "racist nazi" to boot. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 00:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- This racist labels empirically supported evidence as PUFFERY. Checking https://versetracker.com/leagues proves that Fliptop is the most popular and most viewed battle rap league in the world, yet this racist does not want that highlighted. 112.198.163.142 (talk) 03:21, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Regardless of any content dispute, labelling editors as racists is never acceptable. Doing so on WP:ANI is bravery in itself. Regards, User:TheDragonFire300. (Contact me | Contributions). 08:36, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
User:MeGowtham
This user MeGowtham (talk · contribs · count) deleting, AFD template, without providing reasons (here, here). It has been previously warned on the talk page. (WP:LISTEN) HurricaneEdgar 04:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Also here, here, here and here on the one article. Also warned on users talk page. Hughesdarren (talk) 04:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have also taken issue that some of the articles they have created have zero sources. Draft:Deepa Shankar was deleted per G7 after some sloppy handling of this unsourced BLP, but then got recreated in article space; it is now at AfD. MeGowtham added a source (using improper markup, as I recall) only when I told them to do so in a draft comment, and as noted by Deepika o (talk · contribs), that source does not verify any of the associated article content. Their other article, Mr. and Mrs. Chinnathirai (Season 4), has a similar history.More recently, they also uploaded an image of Aishwarya Rai Bachchan without any licensing information, and which turned out to be a copyvio of [158]. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Blocked for 31 hours for disruptive editing. Anarchyte (talk) 06:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- The AfD for Deepa Shankar has been withdrawn after additional sources were found, while the image was tagged as non-free for use on a nonexistent article, and has been tagged for deletion per F5 and F7c. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
EditPatroller296 (talk · contribs)
EditPatroller296 (talk · contribs) has, over the course of several weeks, been adding errors to the article Townley Grammar School (1) (2) (3) (4) (4) (5) (6) (7), even possibly entering into an edit war with editors from the school itself. The errors claim that the school is closed, while using an outdated source [159] instead of the current, up to date source [160] which I also added to the article. StartOkayStop (talk) 06:38, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I’m also going to add that they also have recently been making some unconstructive edits, where they replace some content and change the reference, and then say “just trust me bro,” as they did here [161] and here [162]. The typical edit summaries they’ve been using for these edits are things like “Fixed inaccuracies” and “Fixed issues.” ProClasher97 ~ Have A Question? 06:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Reading the admissions page from the school's website gives the impression that the "Townley Grammar School for Girls" was indeed shut down, but then the "Townley Grammar School" reopened in its place. EditPatroller296 hasn't edited in a week, so I don't think it's necessary to take any action right now, but if they return to their disruption it could be worth opening another thread. That or, and I say this without checking any of their edits, a partial block preventing them from editing that page could work. Anarchyte (talk) 06:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Aegean dispute
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Hello, The article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_dispute contains a non-neutral view relying on just the Greece Media (90% of references are the Greece Mass Media) and any additions to the article with references that provide views of other sources reverted back by author. Please advise the right steps?
Kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahiskali-turk (talk • contribs) 11:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- This appears to be a content dispute, and this noticeboard is for behaviour problems. If you edits are reverted your first step should be to begin a discussion at the articles talk page, and try to get consensus from other editors for your changes. If that doesn't work you can look at Wikipedia's other options for dispute resolution. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 12:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ahiskali-turk, I suggest that you try the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ahiskali-turk, please, can you stop edit warring? Like I told you, (and ActivelyDisinterested here, and Demetrios1993 at the Aegean dispute article), edit warring isn't the way to go for making changes. You should use the article's talk page! I kindly advice you that you self-revert your latest edit so that you wont violate the 3RR, and come to it. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 17:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ahiskali-turk, I suggest that you try the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- The OP asked to be advised of the right steps, but has ignored that advice and ended up being blocked for edit-warring. Can't we just close this report now, and hope that that editor tries to gain consensus for those edits on return? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Krimuk2.0
- Krimuk2.0 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Aamir Khan filmography (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I reported this issue at AIV but was told to take it to another admin board (which I acknowledge is appropriate). I removed content at Aamir Khan filmography because it was not supported by the source cited. User Krimuk2.0 reverted with no explanation. When I again stated that the information was not in the source cited, Krimuk2.0 restored the content again with the explanation "the onus is on you to provide the correct source". I pointed out WP:BURDEN here. Krimuk2.0 added a different source that again had nothing to do with the content in question. I would appreciate it if someone would point out to Krimuk2.0 that any material on Wikipedia that is challenged should not be restored without a source that actually supports the edit. If I should discuss this elsewhere please advise. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 16:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Boston IPs spamming music media links by J. M. Smig
- 172.58.219.0/21 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
Someone using IPs from Boston has been adding spam links to media by "J. M. Smig" to multiple articles.[163][164][165] The links connect to Smig's Bandcamp page or Smig's YouTube page. Wikilinks are often added to the notional biography J. M. Smig,[166] a page which was deleted in 2006, moved to User:J.M. Smig. The user made two edits in userspace in 2006 and then fell silent. In the last week, the person has resurfaced to promote their work.[167] Below, I have listed the IPs involved in this activity. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Involved IPs
- I have made a one-month rangeblock of 172.58.219.0/21 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)). EdJohnston (talk) 18:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! That will send a message. Binksternet (talk) 21:55, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
user 2001:8003:3cfd:fc00:6154:228f:2b0b:498c and Kip Williams article
2001:8003:3cfd:fc00:6154:228f:2b0b:498c (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Is repeatedly removing content and sources from Kip Williams (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) citing "invasion of privacy". All content is, as far as I can see, is sourced, publicly available and not harmful to the subject. Not responding to messages left on anon's talk page. Appears to want the article to be a hagiography. Could I please get some more eyes on this? Thanks Adakiko (talk) 22:38, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- This looks like an edit war, and a 3RR violation. Not sure if this would be better reported to the 3RR noticeboard, but here are some some diffs:
- Last good version: [168]
- Reverts:
- StartOkayStop (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Additional note: There appear to be other accounts and IP addresses making the same types of edits, including 2001:8003:3cfd:fc00:20dd:e912:877f:dcfe (talk · contribs) [174], MikeWayneSydney (talk · contribs) [175], and 203.220.230.206 (talk · contribs) [176]. StartOkayStop (talk) 22:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is not an edit war. What this is a highly disruptive individual who is removing citation without an explanation. Judekkan (talk) 22:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- The involvement of multiple IPs is why I posted here rather then EWN. Adakiko (talk) 22:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Another new IP just popped up doing the exact same things: 49.195.18.217 (talk · contribs). Same types of edits, and the only recent edits on this IP. StartOkayStop (talk) 23:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Additional note: There appear to be other accounts and IP addresses making the same types of edits, including 2001:8003:3cfd:fc00:20dd:e912:877f:dcfe (talk · contribs) [174], MikeWayneSydney (talk · contribs) [175], and 203.220.230.206 (talk · contribs) [176]. StartOkayStop (talk) 22:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Semi-protected for a week to stop the edit warring. I'm about to log off and haven't had time to look through all the references, so I don't know if there is any additional action needed there, though I will make the general note that BLP concerns aren't necessarily invalid just because they are brought forth in a non-ideal manner. --Blablubbs (talk) 00:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Cambridge UK genre-warring in film and music
- 2A00:23C4:BF84:BE01:0:0:0:0/64 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
Someone using IPs from Cambridge has been adding unreferenced, unsupported genres to music articles, especially songs by the Chemical Brothers.[177][178][179] The person is also adding unsupported genres to film articles.[180][181]
The person is uncommunicative, never responding to the many talk page warnings that have been delivered. Binksternet (talk) 01:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
user: X-Editor
X-Editor (talk · contribs) appears to be a shared account that's making dozens of edits across multiple articles. It's simply not possible for one person to be making the number and size of edits their history shows.
This account has variously violated 3RR, 1RR, and been in several edit-wars. This account seems to be a vehicle to get around protective sanctions like WP:ECP on controversial pages Gamergate (harassment campaign).
This appears to be the opposite of sockpuppetry; I'm not sure where to report this.
- ForbiddenRocky (talk) 09:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Used collective first person pronoun “our” in edit summary [182]. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 09:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any substance to this extremely vague complaint at all. X-Editor seems to mostly edit things based on current events/news/politics, and adding/summarising news articles on those current events that he is interested in. It doesn't take very long to summarise a news article you were just reading and add it to a Wikipedia page. That you would need a team of people to do that is an absurd thing to claim. I don't know about the edit wars you're referring to, but I suggest WP:ANEW would be a better place if you have a specific report to make. Endwise (talk) 09:33, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- They've averaged around 29 edits a day this year. There are dozens of editors with higher totals. Moreover, the OP is a Gamergate single purpose account who is clearly just posting here because they don't like X-Editor's point of view. This report is a waste of everyone's time. Black Kite (talk) 09:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- ForbiddenRocky When you're done filling out an ANI report, make sure you send a notice to the individual(s) who are involved. I went ahead and sent one to X-Editor. Judekkan (talk) 10:16, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
The accusation that I am a shared account is completely false. I am only one person and always have been. "It's simply not possible for one person to be making the number and size of edits their history shows." You have zero evidence to back this claim up. Sure, I've been involved in edit wars and have violated 3RR and 1RR, but so have many other editors and I've apologized each and every time for violating those rules. Nobody is perfect and expecting people to be perfect with rules is unrealistic. X-Editor (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Unconstructive edits by IP 2601:406:4103:230:F966:1EF8:F796:B979
Administrators please bock this IP 2601:406:4103:230:F966:1EF8:F796:B979 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). He's doing Unconstructive edits at Maddam Sir, Pandya Store, Banni Chow Home Delivery and Sasural Simar Ka by replacing Gulki Joshi, Alice Kaushik, Ulka Gupta and Avika Gor's names with Dipika Kakkar Ibrahim and Nia Sharma respectively. Pri2000 (talk) 09:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hasn't edited since 04:48 UTC, all edits reverted, so probably no need for action at this time. Black Kite (talk) 10:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Persistent addition of unsourced content to multiple articles
WP:OR by Hobbitschuster (talk · contribs), most recently at Flag desecration, Xenon, Nuremberg U-Bahn, U2 (Nuremberg U-Bahn), La Hague site, Helsinki–Tallinn Tunnel, and a host of other articles. User has responded to warnings not with a determination to begin adding sources, but with this [183]. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- (invited by 2601:19e:4180:6d50:65f5:930c:b0b2:cd63) This appears to be a persistent, cross-wiki issue, looking at their enwiki talk page and their dewiki talk page. Quick examples: [184], [185], [186]. Responding to these concerns as displayed in [187] and [188] isn't acceptable even if the content turns out to be verifiable, and I think we've reached a point where all substantial additions by Hobbitschuster can be considered to be "challenged in advance" by the community, requiring citations as described in WP:BURDEN.
- Additionally, Hobbitschuster appears to have a general issue with having to deal with unregistered editors's policy concerns when editing Wikipedia ([189], [190]) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Marcelus repeatedly breaking WP:NPA and doubling-down on it
- Marcelus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Diffs & quotes + background:
You have basic deficiencies in the critical apparatus. ([191] on 19:02, 22 December 2021)
Yes, I am going through your edits persistently because I don't trust you as an editor. ([192] on 21:30, 22 December 2021)
I mentioned these on an admin's talk page as evidence of Marcelus' grudge against me and his insults towards me ([193]), where Marcelus wants to get me wrongly banned for "ethno-nationalist activity" after his report about me here received zero attention. In response to me, Marcelus replies I didn't insult you once, but I stand by what I said you have deficiencies in the critical apparatus, you are pushing nationalist POV, and I am going through your edits persistently because I don't trust you as an editor.
[194] .
After I said: Marcelus' clear doubling down on insults and going against the rules laid out in WP:BATTLEGROUND show that he has a grudge against me and thus he repeatedly mislabels my activity on Wikipedia as nationalist POV-pushing, when it isn't. ([195]), Marcelus answers with I never insulted you.
[196].
A back-and-forth with a lot of friction between me and Marcelus has been going on since early September 2021 (visible on the history page of the first article since which there has been a never-ending interaction between Marcelus and I) and has been continuously going since (!!!), to this very day, 17 July 2022.
This needs to end.
Marcelus has repeatedly belittled me, thus breaking WP:NPA. His words clearly fulfill WP:IUC, which says (d) belittling a fellow editor is against Wiki rules.
I would like to ask for a one-way WP:IBAN, whereby Marcelus is banned from interacting with me due to his chronic and intractable hostile disposition towards me.--Cukrakalnis (talk) 15:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- I never insulted Cukrakalnis, I have all the right to voice my opinion about a quality of his edits, and I firmly stand by everything I've said. And I monitor his edits because they have multiple issues. Lately I prevented his attempt to sneakily publish false historical facts, when he was trying to publish maps of prewar Poland provinces labelled in Lithuanian as lands "occupied by Poland". He was also trying to spread racial theories that Belarusians and Polish minority in Lithuania are "really" Balts/Lithuanians. That's only some of his actions. I'm actually proud of my actions in regard to his edits, I think it's a big contribution on my part to Wikipedia as a project. Best regards Marcelus (talk) 15:25, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
sneakily publish false historical facts
That's how Marcelus calls statements that multiple WP:RS affirm. In fact, Marcelus repeatedly mislabels views that are not his as POV pushing, as he removed a WP:RS like the established Universal Lithuanian Encyclopedia because of supposed 'extreme POV pushing' when that was clearly not the case. Another case is when I gave him seven WP:RS with quotes supporting a statement Marcelus disagrees with ([197]), which he simply dismissed as 'WP:NPOV per definition' ([198]) due to them holding a view that is contrary to Marcelus'.- Regarding Polish-occupied Lithuanian and Belarusian lands, there are many WP:RS indeed stating that. I found seven reliable sources (the ones above) calling the thing in question as "the Polish occupation of Vilnius", neither of which was a Lithuanian source, thus removing any possibility of claiming that this view is somehow Lithuanian nationalist, as Marcelus likes to erroneously claim. Regarding the naming of the Voivodeship maps as occupied, that was because multiple WP:RS speak of a Polish occupation of Belarusian (and other) lands, thus justifying such naming:
During the Polish occupation of Belarus and Eastern Galicia...
(p.22, Homelands: War, Population and Statehood in Eastern Europe and Russia, 1918-1924 edited by Nick Baron, Peter Gatrell)Thus, the western part of Belarus and Naliboki Forest in particular were under Polish occupation.
(p.1177, 'Naliboki Forest: Land, Wildlife and Human. (2nd ed.) Volume III. Historical outline and ethnographical sketch' by Vadim Sidorovich (2020).)Indeed, by December 1919 the Poles had occupied all of Belarus as far as the Beresina river.
(p.xxviii, A Polish Woman’s Experience in World War II: Conflict, Deportation and Exile' by Irena Protassewicz (2019).)Pogroms on the territory of Belarus occurred in three waves. The first occured in 1919-1920, during and particularly after the Polish occupation; as the troops withdrew, they plundered Jewish property and torched entire villages, but committed few murders.
(p519, 'Russia in Flames: War, Revolution, Civil War, 1914-1921' by Laura Engelstein)- To claim that what I am did was POV-motivated is false. Instead, it follows WP:Verifiability, which Marcelus' edits sometimes fail, as users besides me have noticed: [199].
- As for the things that Marcelus falsely calls
racial theories that Belarusians and Polish minority in Lithuania are "really" Balts/Lithuanians
, there were many sources stating those things and because they go against Marcelus' POV, he frames those things in ways that are not true - no one even mentioned race except Marcelus. Furthermore, Marcelus' statementAnd I monitor his edits because they have multiple issues.
is verifiably wrong - he is repeatedly the only one who ever belittles my edits and thus articles, while other users have frequently said the opposite, e.g. "That’s a good article you created Cukrakalnis by the way, good for you." [200], and I have been thanked by far too many people for my edits to be overall considered as "having multiple issues". Considering that I have done +10k edits on en.wiki, people besides Marcelus would have noticed that my edits "had multiple issues" if they were as bad as Marcelus says. Clearly, this is just another proof of Marcelus' WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality against me. - Finally, Marcelus restates that
I never insulted Cukrakalnis
, when evidence clearly shows the opposite. Cukrakalnis (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)