Uploading images
Not sure whether this question should go under Help Desk or Policy at the "Village Pump" instead of here— but since the Teahouse is for newcomers and I'm still one, I'll go ahead here.
I wanted to upload several photos, one of the person who is the subject of an article I'm editing, and others that would be of interest to the topic of the article. Each time I get a notice that seems to say I can't do it unless it's a photo I myself took or I have some sort of permission to use it. But there are lots of photos throughout Wikipedia articles. If editors choose photos judiciously and give proper attribution, why the barrier?
I did notice, and looked at, some ancillary information that seemed to say it's possible, but I found it somewhat confusing. Augnablik (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Attribution doesn't negate copyright - attribution is required for compatibly licensed images, but giving attribution for a copyrighted image (ie. not pd or CC by 4.0) doesn't mean we can use it. So unless you own the copyright or can demonstrate it's compatibly licensed, it cannot be uploaded. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, for more specifics, here's a link to the image use policy: Wikipedia:Image use policy#Identifying usable images. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I realize there's a distinction between types of images, but I was thinking of only ones that are in places like articles, books, etc. — ones that we see referenced all the time in publications, just like quotations of text. I'll read the information at the link you sent, and thanks for it, but I just wanted to make that clear. Augnablik (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Images that you see in books, especially, have gotten clearance from the copyright holders-- often by the book publisher paying a negotiated license fee to each copyright holder. You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted. The images in WP articles are in ths public domain, or licensed with one of the acceptable Creative Commons licenses, or are used under the documented rules for "fair use". If you click on any WP image, you will see information about the image, including its copyright status. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- So then, Praxidicae, if an image published in a book is shown at a Web site, it should be okay to copy into a Wikipedia article, right? Augnablik (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, no, absolutely not. Being published in a book or uploaded to a website is not a guarantee that an image has been released under an appropriate license. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 15:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik I will repeat: "You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted". My point about images in books is that those images have been licensed with (usually) a license fee and a license agreement with each copyright holder. I hope it is clear now. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- 97.126.96.239 and 71.228.112.175 — I appreciate your weighing in on this issue, but I can see that it will be quite a long time (if ever!) before I try to add any images to articles I edit. I'm just not grasping the problem why published images that would have been cleared before appearing in other publications shouldn't be okay to put in Wikipedia too. Augnablik (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, I'm not sure what you mean by "cleared". An image can be released by its copyright holder under any number of different licenses which allow different kinds of reuse - for instance, no reuse at all unless payment is made, or only reusable by a specific organization, or only reusable for specific purposes. Not all of those licenses are compatible with being reused on Wikipedia. Uploading to Commons requires a license that allows free use; non-free content can sometimes be used on Wikipedia, but only under very specific, limited circumstances (see WP:FAIRUSE). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- The phrase "copyright clearance" is used for the process of a book publisher negotiating and paying a fee to the copyright holder of each image that the publisher wants to use in a book. I used that term, and it might have been confusing if you don't know it. (Once a fee has been paid by the book publisher for one image, that image is "cleared" to be used in that book.) The pictures aren't "cleared" to be used anywhere else, and they are still copyrighted. Sorry if that was confusing. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, I'm not sure what you mean by "cleared". An image can be released by its copyright holder under any number of different licenses which allow different kinds of reuse - for instance, no reuse at all unless payment is made, or only reusable by a specific organization, or only reusable for specific purposes. Not all of those licenses are compatible with being reused on Wikipedia. Uploading to Commons requires a license that allows free use; non-free content can sometimes be used on Wikipedia, but only under very specific, limited circumstances (see WP:FAIRUSE). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- 97.126.96.239 and 71.228.112.175 — I appreciate your weighing in on this issue, but I can see that it will be quite a long time (if ever!) before I try to add any images to articles I edit. I'm just not grasping the problem why published images that would have been cleared before appearing in other publications shouldn't be okay to put in Wikipedia too. Augnablik (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- So then, Praxidicae, if an image published in a book is shown at a Web site, it should be okay to copy into a Wikipedia article, right? Augnablik (talk) 08:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Images that you see in books, especially, have gotten clearance from the copyright holders-- often by the book publisher paying a negotiated license fee to each copyright holder. You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted. The images in WP articles are in ths public domain, or licensed with one of the acceptable Creative Commons licenses, or are used under the documented rules for "fair use". If you click on any WP image, you will see information about the image, including its copyright status. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I realize there's a distinction between types of images, but I was thinking of only ones that are in places like articles, books, etc. — ones that we see referenced all the time in publications, just like quotations of text. I'll read the information at the link you sent, and thanks for it, but I just wanted to make that clear. Augnablik (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
User Contributions page mystery
I made a screenshot of 4 examples from my recent contributions that I'd like to understand. What do these pieces of information mean:
o diff | hist?
o the red and green figures with preceding - and + symbols?
o the fact that some digits are boldfaced and others aren't?
o and also the letter m on the line with the -8?
Augnablik (talk) 12:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik:
- The link "diff" is a diff link, which will list the changes made during the edit listed at Special:Contributions
- similarly, the "hist" link will lead to the page history of the article that was edited.
- the red or green number is the amount of bytes (which are roughly, but not exactly, characters) which were added or removed by the edit. If the edit added some text, it will be green, if the edit removed bytes, it will be red, and if the number of bytes the page had was unchanged, it will be gray. This number will display in bold if more than 500 bytes were added or removed.
- m means that the user tagged the minor edit checkbox, which can be checked to indicate a very minor change that doesn't require review, like fixing spelling mistakes. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Victor. Augnablik (talk) 07:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I got a little curious as I thought about all this. Are we editors being watched —assumption being that it's in a benign way — to see how many bytes we add or subtract over a period of time, and how much we contribute to Wikipedia tasks? Perhaps also how many missteps we make? Augnablik (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not as far as I'm aware. I use it to figure out if large amounts of content are being added or removed, as they can be indicative of problematic edits. —Tenryuu � ( 💬 • � ) 16:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I got a little curious as I thought about all this. Are we editors being watched —assumption being that it's in a benign way — to see how many bytes we add or subtract over a period of time, and how much we contribute to Wikipedia tasks? Perhaps also how many missteps we make? Augnablik (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
What to do if you think someone is targeting an article maliciously ?
Hello,
I am the subject of a wikipedia article - Nicola Green
Much of the information is incorrect or out of date. I intend to follow wikipedia’s guidelines and I will not directly edit this article. I have been advised to make suggestions on the talk page in order to improve the overall quality of this article and help (if I can) to ensure there are no factual errors.
I have followed all of wikipedia's guidelines and protocols, and yet a single editor continues to remove any edits made (despite them being approved by other editors on the talk page).
They constantly target this article, and yet, when other editors make incorrect changes to this article, this editor does not remove the factual inaccuracies. They seem to monitor my edits with such tenacity that I believe they have malicious intentions. Could someone please advise me how to proceed? Is there anyway I can stop this person from constantly removing all the changes to this article? Or perhaps there is more advice I can follow in order to have this page updated.
Thank you so much NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Step one. Don't ask the same question in multiple places. - X201 (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I wasn't sure which to use. My apologies. NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)First, you are going to have to stop using two accounts. This post was previously posted by PabloPompey, which has not declared the conflict. Slywriter (talk) 13:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, sorry NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- These have been honest mistakes, but I will not do it again. Beyond that, is there nothing I can do about this situation??? NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- There are valid reasons sometimes to have multiple Wikipedia accounts (see WP:VALIDALT) but using one to edit a page for which you have a declared conflict-of-interest is not one of them. You were following the correct procedure by taking the {{edit request}} route via the Talk Page of the article. I am not sure why Justlettersandnumbers has suggested that a consensus needs to be reached before material can be added by that mechanism: my view of the policies and guidelines is that editors responding to such requests may just take them at face value and make the requested change(s) provided they improve the article and have adequate reliable sourcing. Indeed, some editors specifically work to fulfil such requests. Nevertheless, NicolaGreen72 you should always assume good faith in other editors. We are all volunteers here and are trying to improve the contents of Wikipedia. No doubt others more interested in biographies than me will now look again at your requests and see which should be incorporated into the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much to everyone for sharing all of the information with me.
- Any rules broken were honest mistakes, which I will not do again! Thank you so so much for clarifying everything for me.
- However, I do not believe this is done in good faith as @Justlettersandnumbers consistently removes edits to this article NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- User:Justlettersandnumbers is an extremely experienced editor of many years standing and is also an admin here. His edits were all to ensure neutral tone, you should not be editing the article at all but limit yourself to requesting edits on the talk page. Also see WP:CRONY. Theroadislong (talk) 13:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- ok, thank you for clarifying NicolaGreen72 (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- NicolaGreen72, welcome to the Teahouse! I'm just a host and editor here and I've made many mistakes in editing so I get it. I appreciate your willingness to admit errors when you are presented with them and take corrective actions. I know the seemingly contradictory statements we sometimes receive can leave us bewildered and unsure of what to do. We can cut through some of that and simplify it. WP:COI states
"COI editors are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly, and can propose changes on article talk pages instead. However, our policy on matters relating to living people allows very obvious errors to be fixed quickly, including by the subject."
This means there are times when it is appropriate for even the subject of a BLP to edit the article about themselves. However, in the overwhelming majority of cases the subject of a BLP should not edit the article or any article associated with themselves. As you have no doubt read the COI policy closely, the only means by which that policy gives for a subject to request changes is by using the{{request edit}}
template). I currently disagree with the comments left by User:Justlettersandnumbers that, somehow you are to gain consensus before requesting an edit change by using the only prescribed method for COI editors to request changes according to the policy. But I believe they are trying to protect the neutrality of the article and that is always a good thing. I myself will always err on the side of caution and do no harm even if that means I fall on the wrong side of things in the end. I won't harp on the usage of two accounts too much because that has already been discussed and as any damage that may have happened to the article by the usage of two accounts to edit have been erased and as you have apologized and agreed to never allow the use of two accounts, whether a colleague or your own, to edit the article directly again there isn't anything really chronic or intractable at issue. I would welcome an explanation as to the purpose of the consensus before edit request comment as there may be underlying reasons allowed for by policy. Nicola, @Justlettersandnumbers is a very experienced editor, regardless, we all afford every editor the same good faith. That is especially critical in cases where we disagree on the implementation or interpretation of policy. --ARoseWolf 14:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)- Thank you so much for your help. I understand now about:
- Having multiple accounts
- Editing an article about myself
- Good faith of editors
- I will no longer attempt to make changes to this page, and I apologise for any rules broken or any inconveniences caused.
- However, I will monitor this page for factual inaccuracies, particularly, like what was done earlier this month, where my children's names (which should not be on the page at all) where added incorrectly. NicolaGreen72 (talk) 14:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- If I may be allowed to get a little personal, I believe that falls under what the policy calls "obvious errors". As an encyclopedia that contains biographies of living persons it is extremely important for the encyclopedia to get it right and when in doubt it is always better to do no harm to the subject or those closely associated. That does not mean that there can never be anything negative written about a subject, especially if it is in reliable sources but an editor should use extreme caution and make sure the information they are adding is due in accordance with the subjects notability. As a mother, albeit not notable enough to have an article myself, I do understand our protective nature when it comes to our children. I believe the article, leaving them unnamed, in those regards is the best solution at this point. --ARoseWolf 14:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your help. I understand now about:
- NicolaGreen72, welcome to the Teahouse! I'm just a host and editor here and I've made many mistakes in editing so I get it. I appreciate your willingness to admit errors when you are presented with them and take corrective actions. I know the seemingly contradictory statements we sometimes receive can leave us bewildered and unsure of what to do. We can cut through some of that and simplify it. WP:COI states
- ok, thank you for clarifying NicolaGreen72 (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- User:Justlettersandnumbers is an extremely experienced editor of many years standing and is also an admin here. His edits were all to ensure neutral tone, you should not be editing the article at all but limit yourself to requesting edits on the talk page. Also see WP:CRONY. Theroadislong (talk) 13:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- There are valid reasons sometimes to have multiple Wikipedia accounts (see WP:VALIDALT) but using one to edit a page for which you have a declared conflict-of-interest is not one of them. You were following the correct procedure by taking the {{edit request}} route via the Talk Page of the article. I am not sure why Justlettersandnumbers has suggested that a consensus needs to be reached before material can be added by that mechanism: my view of the policies and guidelines is that editors responding to such requests may just take them at face value and make the requested change(s) provided they improve the article and have adequate reliable sourcing. Indeed, some editors specifically work to fulfil such requests. Nevertheless, NicolaGreen72 you should always assume good faith in other editors. We are all volunteers here and are trying to improve the contents of Wikipedia. No doubt others more interested in biographies than me will now look again at your requests and see which should be incorporated into the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- These have been honest mistakes, but I will not do it again. Beyond that, is there nothing I can do about this situation??? NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, sorry NicolaGreen72 (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
NicolaGreen72, you've generously made several apologies here, thank you! I think we all recognise that our policies and practices are fairly inscrutable to those not familiar with them, so not understanding them isn't really something you need to apologise for. I hope that you now understand a little better how this works, and why some of your edits were reverted?
I'd like to make a couple of apologies of my own: first, I'm quite mortified that I didn't notice the silly vandalism on 1 July relating to your children; as ARoseWolf says, removal of that kind of nonsense is just the kind of edit that you can make yourself. Secondly, when I declined your edit request here on 3 March, I used an automated tool and did not notice that it had left a rather strange message – the bit about seeking consensus on the talk-page was OK, but "before using the {{Request edit}} template" didn't really make any sense, as that's what you'd already done. I'm sorry for both those things, particularly the first of them.
May I offer one piece of advice that I don't see in the various useful comments above: the request edit process is for the correction of fundamental errors or omissions of basic verifiable fact, and shouldn't be used to try to massage or spin the text of the article – you can safely leave the tone of the page to us. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note to Terasail: can we improve the message left by your useful script in this use-case? Note to Michael D. Turnbull: asking the requesting editor to obtain talk-page consensus is one of the standard responses to a {{Request edit}}; in this case the reply was left using a script and was ... well, unusual! – as I should have noticed at the time. Regards to both, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Justlettersandnumbers for the clarification of the comments left (it did look a little automated to me but I wasn't sure) and for the additional advice given to Nicola. I do believe the automated response stems from this statement on WP:ER that I found when researching it a bit more.
"Requests should be accompanied by a clear and specific description of the requested change, and consensus should be obtained before requesting changes that are likely to be controversial.
- NicolaGreen72, if you do decide to make any further edit requests on the articles talk page, clearly your prerogative, I would suggest reading up on edit requests and how to seek consensus prior to making an edit request where the information may be controversial. Controversial does not necessarily mean what we would think it would. A non-controversial edit would include those that do not need a source to make such as as correcting typographical errors or disambiguating links. In that case you can make the edit request or do the edit yourself. As stated, obvious vandalism can be reverted by anyone, including you. --ARoseWolf 15:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Justlettersandnumbers I can update the summaries that my scripts give, I am not too clear on what the change should be here though. If the automated responses need changing they are at Template:ECOI. I will update my tool soon to be in line with the protected request tool that I have. Terasail[✉�] 15:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Justlettersandnumbers
- Thank you so much for this message, and for clearing everything up. I am sorry for not seeing that your edits where in good faith, and I do really appreciate how much work you put into wikipedia! I feel like I completely understand what is going on now, and what can and cannot be done on wikipedia.
- Thank you so much! Nicola NicolaGreen72 (talk) 12:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Justlettersandnumbers for the clarification of the comments left (it did look a little automated to me but I wasn't sure) and for the additional advice given to Nicola. I do believe the automated response stems from this statement on WP:ER that I found when researching it a bit more.
World Cup race podiums in Infobox of the alpine skiers
I believe that having it, such as it is in Mikaela Shiffrin in the German Wikipedia, is very useful. Among other things, the template with the total sum of podiums exists and is used in the same infobox for medals in international events. To object that the template is "medal template" and not also "podium template" is an inconsistent justification, because the title of the template itself would specify that it is podiums. Are you for or against its use? Kasper2006 (talk) 17:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Kasper2006. The Teahouse is a friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. It is not a place to organize a content discussion. I suggest you move it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Skiing and Snowboarding or Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer. If it's not at the latter then definitely post a notification there when the dicussion is about that template. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:51, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion, the problem is that no one answers there. Kasper2006 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006, you asked a question there - apparently the same question? - earlier this year and got several replies. If you're looking for a wider variety of opinions, you can try an RfC. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006: I guess "there" meant Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer. Three of the four previous posts got an answer within two hours by editors who are still active and may be among the 14 users with the page on their watchlist. The fourth post was by you and only said the vague "Weight - Don't work". That's not much to go on for somebody trying to answer. If you mean you tried to call it with a
|weight=
parameter and nothing happened then nothing was supposed to happen. The template has no such parameter and the documentation makes no claim it does. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)- Please excuse me I'm probably the fool. Yes, I posted the question in March 2022, but not 14 answers, I only got them from two users, one of whom is the one who dictated the law and who does the rollbacks. Ok probably I will not get out of this situation because I see that few are interested, so until I manage to sensitize other users on the matter, the law of the only one who decided it will apply, and that is that in the English Wikipedia the podiums of the World Cup competitions and in other Wikipedia, on the other hand, yes. Kasper2006 (talk) 07:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006: PrimeHunter posted
14 users with the page on their watchlist
not14 answers
. What PrimerHunter meant is that apparently 14 users are H:Watching that page and perhaps some of those users are the ones who answered your question. When you post something on a talk page, you sometimes need to be a little patient since all users are WP:VOLUNTEERs and some pages aren't watched by as many users as others are. If you feel a reasonable amount of time has passed and still nobody has replied, then try leaving a {{Please see}} template on the talk page of the WikiProjects under whose scope the page falls. You can usually find the names of such WikiProjects at the tops of article talk pages and most of them have their own talk pages. You don't need to repost the entire discussion on the WikiProject talk page, just enough (including a link) to let the project's members know about the discussion you started on the relevant talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)- @Kasper2006: It's Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer which was on the watchlist of 14 users (now 15). Non-administrators can only see "Fewer than 30 watchers" on Page information. My administrator account can see there are 15 but not who they are. Your vague post with no answers was on 27 January 2018. Page views went from 0 to 13 that day.[1] Maybe several of them were from you but I guess some of the watchers saw your edit on their watchlist and viewed the post without replying, maybe because it was unclear. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'll be honest with you. It is useless to hope that the news will interest someone, we tried and it did not work. The only thing is to make my change, if the user "bold" as usual makes his rollbacks, he takes him to ANI and goodnight, it cannot be that between two people he must necessarily be right. Kasper2006 (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006: It's Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer which was on the watchlist of 14 users (now 15). Non-administrators can only see "Fewer than 30 watchers" on Page information. My administrator account can see there are 15 but not who they are. Your vague post with no answers was on 27 January 2018. Page views went from 0 to 13 that day.[1] Maybe several of them were from you but I guess some of the watchers saw your edit on their watchlist and viewed the post without replying, maybe because it was unclear. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006: PrimeHunter posted
- Please excuse me I'm probably the fool. Yes, I posted the question in March 2022, but not 14 answers, I only got them from two users, one of whom is the one who dictated the law and who does the rollbacks. Ok probably I will not get out of this situation because I see that few are interested, so until I manage to sensitize other users on the matter, the law of the only one who decided it will apply, and that is that in the English Wikipedia the podiums of the World Cup competitions and in other Wikipedia, on the other hand, yes. Kasper2006 (talk) 07:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kasper2006: I guess "there" meant Template talk:Infobox alpine ski racer. Three of the four previous posts got an answer within two hours by editors who are still active and may be among the 14 users with the page on their watchlist. The fourth post was by you and only said the vague "Weight - Don't work". That's not much to go on for somebody trying to answer. If you mean you tried to call it with a
- @Kasper2006, you asked a question there - apparently the same question? - earlier this year and got several replies. If you're looking for a wider variety of opinions, you can try an RfC. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion, the problem is that no one answers there. Kasper2006 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
I did so --Kasper2006 (talk) 18:22, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
NAME-CALLING AND PROPOSITIONING
To whoever is out there,
I recently joined Wikipedia, believing that it would be possible for me to contribute to articles and, if necessary, highlight errors in other peoples work.
As a big fan of the British actor, Peter Wyngarde, I attempted to correct a number of inaccuracies in his biography, but was immediately closed down by another Editor/Contributor working on that page (I have heard numerously about how jealously those involved with this particular biog have guarded it, and how they will quickly see off anyone who attempts to change or add to its content).
After pointing out several pieces of misinformation in the biog, I was referred to as a "Sockpuppet" by a regular Contributor calling his or herself, ' Theheartof '. Since this is a word I had never heard before, I was obliged to look up. I have no clue what this person was getting at, but by this point I was beginning to understand why there had been so many previous reports of people being made to feel uncomfortable or bullied around the Wyngarde biography pages.
To cap this all off, I was latterly propositioned by someone calling himself ' ColinProbert ' (In the United Kingdom, gay men often use the term "Are You Handy?" when attempting to importune other gay men in public lavatories. See under title, "An obituary reported that he lived partly on social security benefits" 21:16, 10 July 2022
I joined Wikipedia to contribute, not to be abused and propositioned! Those involved with this particular biography have an appalling reputation amongst fans of Peter Wyngarde which, as I've found to my cost, is well deserved. What, if anything, can be done about this?
Thanks. TheWoolpack (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- TheWoolpack Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Where I come from, "are you handy" simply means "are you available" or even "are you good with tools"(like a handyman). I highly doubt you were being propositioned. A core tenet of Wikipedia is assume good faith. 331dot (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @331dot: The fact that this comment was the only edit coming out of the blue from a newly registered account, with "Handy" capitalized, suggests an attempt to annoy that stretches WP:AGF to the breaking point. I have reverted the edit as a personal attack. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply, but I believe that I know of the person who posted that comment. He has, apparently, been trolling the Official Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society for some years by posting this particular homophobic slogan on their Facebook page.
- In 2018, when the actor passed away, this person wrote a supposed 'obituary' for one of the national daily newspapers in the UK, namely The Guardian, but was fired after over 8,000 members of the public, plus many members of the film and theatre community - including actors, writers and producers, complained about the venom contained in it. For years after, this character went to ground, but has recently resurfaced. The very fact that he is involved with that particular biography, and is posting stuff like this in an attempt to make people feel uncomfortable, is extremely troubling. It has certainly made me feel uncomfortable about using Wikipedia. TheWoolpack (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello TheWoolpack and welcome to the Teahouse! I am very sorry that you experienced anything that made you feel concerned or uncomfortable here. The user in question that wrote that in response to you has only had one edit and it was that response to you. I suspect they potentially know the meaning of what they are saying and it doesn't seem helpful. If you feel you are being targeted or if you feel your safety is at risk you may contact Trust and Safety and they may be able to help you further. One thing I would like to correct about your understanding is that Wikipedia is not a blog. This is an encyclopedia and we have articles on notable subjects. We welcome the good faith edits of contributors. Those contributions must be verified in reliable sources and included in the article in a neutral tone. You did exactly what you should have done by opening up a discussion on the articles talk page. Now there is nothing to do but wait for others to chime in but keep in mind that we are all volunteers and there is no rush to make changes to any article. --ARoseWolf 20:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- TheWoolpack,Please do no repeat your accusations on Wikipedia again. Whatever dislike you and the fan club have for the obituary, this is not the place to mention your suspicions of who the vandal was nor to discuss off-wiki trolling. Additionally, your response including grindr link is entirely inappropriate for Wikipedia. I'd note for the rest of the community that a little googling shows a fan club determined to challenge reliable sources and Wikipedia's article on the subject is active. Whether there is merit to their claims, I have no idea but at least one member has been previously banned from Wikipedia. Slywriter (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TheWoolpack: I will also add that you started right out on Wikipedia on the wrong foot, by committing two offenses: First, you added editorial commentary or your own analysis in an article. That is forbidden (see WP:OR); such discussions always belong on the talk page. Second, you compounded the error by reasoning on on your own talk page that your commentary belongs in the article because ordinary readers wouldn't look at the talk page. That is irrelevant. The talk page is where discussions about improving the article take place. It doesn't belong in the article. I have removed the personal attack (which you interpreted as propositioning). As for the accusation of sockpuppetry (in the context of Wikipedia, a sockpuppet is another account created by someone who is blocked or banned for the purpose of evading the block or ban), that was probably uncalled for, and User:Theheartof should have opened an investigation at WP:SPI instead. However, such accusations are sometimes understandable when a brand-new editor raises prior issues that have already been dealt with repeatedly in the past. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for responding to me. I'm new to Wikipedia so I'm not entirely familiar with it's rules and regulations, and for that I apologise. I can assure you that nothing I've said or done has been out of malice, nor has it been because I have an agenda; I certainly don't have any direct affiliation with the Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society which appears to be the suggestion. I am, however, aware that the O.P.W.A.S. have challenged Wikipedia numerously over the course of many years concerning the misinformation posted in its Peter Wyngarde biog by publishing original, contradictory documentation on its own website which has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that W.P. are in error. It does go to show that just because something appears in print (in a tabloid newspaper for instance), doesn't automatically make it a "reliable source".
- Given that the lady who runs the appreciation society was in a 30-year relationship with Wyngarde, I would expect her to be vastly more informed about the man than a random contributor to an online encyclopedia, and that instead of banning her, those involved with the Wyngarde biography would have served both W.P. and those that refer to it more adequately if they had reined in their controlling natures and sought to work with her instead of alienating her. Certainly a seriously damaging accusation that originated on Wikipedia back in 2010 without any kind of source (it was posted once, removed, and then reposted a couple of years later - again without any kind of provenance), and which has since taken on a life of its own courtesy of online bloggers and social media gossips, might have been nipped in the bud. It appears that those who so jealously guard this particular biog would rather cut off their respective noses to spite their face rather than consider for a moment that they might be wrong. That's just my opinion.
- I have to say that the little experience I've had of Wikipedia could not be described as pleasant. What might have been a noble enterprise by Jimmy Wales in the beginning has become a bizarre and hostile place for newbies like myself, especially if one's area of interest happens to have been appropriated by the types that rule the Wyngarde biography with the proverbial iron rod. Unquestionably, when words such as "forbidden" and "offenses" (sic) are the kind of everyday terminology used on Wikipedia by 'admins' etc., the atmosphere feels unfriendly and even autocratic. TheWoolpack (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- The fact that the lady that runs the appreciation society was in a 30-year relationship with Wyngarde is irrelevant to the policies of Wikipedia. Again, we do not have blogs here on Wikipedia. This is an online encyclopedia and we have articles. Though Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source we do have standards and policies which dictate that the subjects of our articles must receive significant coverage in reliable sources. Because of the libre mission of Wikipedia we do allow anyone to edit publicly and those edits are recorded in a history for each main space article or user space page. Even when something is reverted it is not lost but recorded in the history. The fact that articles are vandalized here on Wikipedia is a shame but is not unlike many things in life. Our volunteer editors and administrators attempt to catch all vandalism and deal with it swiftly. Some slips through and some may remain on lesser viewed articles for much longer than just a few hours or days. The nobility of Wikipedia is in its collaborative effort and ability to allow some nobody girl from Alaska the opportunity to find articles on the people her mother came from and a people that she was taken from as a child, her heritage. And then affords her the opportunity to go from that to begin editing and even creating articles on Women from that Indigenous Nation of People that didn't have articles and otherwise may have been forgotten. It allows people to come together from all walks of life, even those that disagree in principle, to work together on something that is bigger than us individually. Wikipedia will never be able to define me but it has added value to my life meeting such incredible people here. You look at the project and see something that started out noble but has degraded into something negative. I see a project that started noble and has continued that nobility even despite all the growing pains. Rather than complain about what you see wrong, try doing something about it. Either research and make edits yourself or go get something published in reliable sources yourself and maybe it will wind up here. I truly hope you do stick around and grow in your understanding of what Wikipedia is because its pretty phenomenal what is accomplished on a daily basis around here. --ARoseWolf 14:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- TheWoolpack, It was brought to my attention that I made a mistake. You were saying biog, short for biography, and not blog. When I went back to read in this format I clearly see it now. So I wanted to apologize for making that error. --ARoseWolf 12:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- There was no need to apologise, but thank you.
- TheWoolpack, It was brought to my attention that I made a mistake. You were saying biog, short for biography, and not blog. When I went back to read in this format I clearly see it now. So I wanted to apologize for making that error. --ARoseWolf 12:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- The fact that the lady that runs the appreciation society was in a 30-year relationship with Wyngarde is irrelevant to the policies of Wikipedia. Again, we do not have blogs here on Wikipedia. This is an online encyclopedia and we have articles. Though Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source we do have standards and policies which dictate that the subjects of our articles must receive significant coverage in reliable sources. Because of the libre mission of Wikipedia we do allow anyone to edit publicly and those edits are recorded in a history for each main space article or user space page. Even when something is reverted it is not lost but recorded in the history. The fact that articles are vandalized here on Wikipedia is a shame but is not unlike many things in life. Our volunteer editors and administrators attempt to catch all vandalism and deal with it swiftly. Some slips through and some may remain on lesser viewed articles for much longer than just a few hours or days. The nobility of Wikipedia is in its collaborative effort and ability to allow some nobody girl from Alaska the opportunity to find articles on the people her mother came from and a people that she was taken from as a child, her heritage. And then affords her the opportunity to go from that to begin editing and even creating articles on Women from that Indigenous Nation of People that didn't have articles and otherwise may have been forgotten. It allows people to come together from all walks of life, even those that disagree in principle, to work together on something that is bigger than us individually. Wikipedia will never be able to define me but it has added value to my life meeting such incredible people here. You look at the project and see something that started out noble but has degraded into something negative. I see a project that started noble and has continued that nobility even despite all the growing pains. Rather than complain about what you see wrong, try doing something about it. Either research and make edits yourself or go get something published in reliable sources yourself and maybe it will wind up here. I truly hope you do stick around and grow in your understanding of what Wikipedia is because its pretty phenomenal what is accomplished on a daily basis around here. --ARoseWolf 14:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TheWoolpack: I will also add that you started right out on Wikipedia on the wrong foot, by committing two offenses: First, you added editorial commentary or your own analysis in an article. That is forbidden (see WP:OR); such discussions always belong on the talk page. Second, you compounded the error by reasoning on on your own talk page that your commentary belongs in the article because ordinary readers wouldn't look at the talk page. That is irrelevant. The talk page is where discussions about improving the article take place. It doesn't belong in the article. I have removed the personal attack (which you interpreted as propositioning). As for the accusation of sockpuppetry (in the context of Wikipedia, a sockpuppet is another account created by someone who is blocked or banned for the purpose of evading the block or ban), that was probably uncalled for, and User:Theheartof should have opened an investigation at WP:SPI instead. However, such accusations are sometimes understandable when a brand-new editor raises prior issues that have already been dealt with repeatedly in the past. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- TheWoolpack Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Where I come from, "are you handy" simply means "are you available" or even "are you good with tools"(like a handyman). I highly doubt you were being propositioned. A core tenet of Wikipedia is assume good faith. 331dot (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
I am delighted that you have found such positivity in Wikipedia. Sadly, my experiences of the same has been the complete opposite. The few people I've encountered thus far I've found to be autocratic, possessive and rude. I realise now that there's no point in attempting to reason with the unreasonable, which is probably why so many victims of W.P. misinformation have set up channels on YouTube and other such platforms to counter it. I dare say that if you have never personally experienced the trauma of witnessing your name and reputation destroyed by a faceless Wikipedia 'Contributor' who resists all attempts to set the record straight, we have no right to comment. TheWoolpack (talk) 12:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you have nothing to add to this project other than bashing Wikipedia with vague claims and attacks, the log out button is here. Continuing your ranting will just lead to a block for wasting the valuable time of other volunteer editors. Frankly you have been rude from the start and yet want to complain that others treated you poorly when you have shown zero respect for other editors. WP:CIVILITY is not optional.
- Now, if you would like to be productive, then here's the secret, don't be rude and do provide sources. Discuss sourcing and content on the article talk page without mentioning other editors or assuming their motives. verifiable content in reliable sources is key Slywriter (talk) 13:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
I had a query regarding an Upa-purana section of Baidya. The relevant query can be seen on the article talk page. A piece of uninterpreted Puranic information was there in the article. The editor has resolved the issue by removing the information and inserting the same in the footnote section. As per consensus, primary sources should be avoided. Can it be inserted in the footnote section? Thanks, Regards Satnam2408 (talk) 18:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Satnam2408 welcome to Teahouse. In some situations, primary sources can be used, for non controversial claims, for example the name of a company, year a person was born. See WP:PRIMARY and WP:EXTERNAL for some additional tips. Secondary sources are of course preferred, especially for anything analytical. ~ � Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Why are AFC templates being added to articles I've created in draftspace?
I create articles in draftspace so I can avoid them being draftified and going into AFC Hell where they will inevitably remain for months after submission even when perfectly suited for mainspace, so why are AFC templates added to them anyways now? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 21:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle: Unless I am misreading the page history, you are the one that added it to Draft:Religious_Confucianism, and then removed it again. Can you clarify your question? RudolfRed (talk) 21:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Helpful to link to the article in question but reviewing your history, at least one article was deemed not ready for mainspace and moved to draft, at which point the editor's move script also added the AfC banner. Slywriter (talk) 21:39, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- I see you've reverted the AFC submission (which I think was a wise thing to do) but please don't move it yourself into mainspace yet, or I or another editor may well move it back again. I suspect that the topic may well be notable (religion is not my area), but I waded through sentence after sentence or turgid text which had little logical construction or clarity. Please remember that this is an encyclopaedia, and articles ought to be understandable by the average undergraduate or high school student. If too many assumptions are made, it just becomes a 'wall of words' with little to no meaning. And that' swhat I see at the moment. The 1st and 2nd sentences of the lead were the initial stumbling blocks.
- The 1st sentence just says:
Religious Confucianism, the system of Religious Confucianism originated from the five religions of the Three Dynasties and the Jongmyo rites.
Please explain that; and if you can do so simply, please use your explanation as the first sentence to replace the current one. We need to first know what the concept is, and only then to know where it comes from. Don't define a concept by saying it's the concept - that is meaningless. - The second sentence is equally illogically constructed, namely:
Ritual music system, which gradually disintegrated during the Western Zhou Dynasty, Confucius founded Confucianism in order to revive the Ritual music [zh] based on the ideal of restoration of the king's way.
To me, this sounds like someone who has simply translated another language Wikipedia page without actually understanding what it means, or how to communicate the concepts in clear, plain English. - I'm afraid you have a huge amount of work still to do on this article before it is ready for mainspace, and I suggest removing a lot of the waffle that you do not understand (or fear that others may not understand) and stick to defining what this topic actually is so that a layman can comprehend and appreciate what it is, and use a browser translate button to check and verify your cited sources (many of which also need a lot of cleaning up, by the look of things).
- This may all sound rather harsh, but I hope it will help you make a better article - and thank you for your desire to bring this topic to a wider audience in due course. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes yeah it needs a lot of improvement. I imagine the article will be about a third smaller by the time I want to move it into mainspace. It's a big article and has a lot of parts I already removed because of being uncited or low quality Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 23:28, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle Great. Thank you for your understanding. Good luck with the draft. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle "Religious Confucianism, formed by the religiousization of Confucianism during the Qing Dynasty, is also a branch of Religious Confucianism". That is saying that Religious Confucianism is a branch of Religious Confucianism. I see you are still working on this; carry on! 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes yeah it needs a lot of improvement. I imagine the article will be about a third smaller by the time I want to move it into mainspace. It's a big article and has a lot of parts I already removed because of being uncited or low quality Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 23:28, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Drafting a new page
Hello, the Teahouse community! I am planning to draft a new article for an online knowledge database for historical resources which is free for the public to access. The name of the web application is Engineering Historical Memory (EHM) which has won some international awards and been mentioned in several scholarly publications (peer-reviewed journals, book etc.).
I'm part of the research team for this online database and understand that I need to disclose COI when submitting the article for the AfC review. I've previously submitted a draft for review but it had been removed due to promotional language and excess external links. I will definitely take note of these issues when drafting a new page later on and try my best to ensure neutrality with reliable and independent sources. I will also refer to some existing knowledge base Wiki-pages to see how they structure and present information.
I would like to seek the community's kind help to provide some more suggestions on any other things that I should pay attention to apart from the above, please? Thank you in advance for your support. Sincerely, ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, ArgonautOfHistory. Your very first step is to comply with the Paid contributions disclosure. This is mandatory and non-negotiable, and applies whenever you edit regarding a topic where you have a financial interest, even when you are not paid specifically to edit Wikipedia. My second recommendation is to be honest about why your previous draft was deleted. The reason was that it was an unambiguous copyright violation. So, be extremely careful about copyright, and follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines going forward. Please read and study Your first article, and follow all of the advice you will find there. Cullen328 (talk) 07:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)·
- Thank you for sharing the above! ArgonautOfHistory (talk) 07:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
For the Kalaripayattu / Kalarippayattu article
I had changed the spelling of the martial-art form to Kalarippayattu. But a user with more expertise in the field reverted it back to the other spelling in good faith. However, I need to revise the title of a book which is mentioned in the same article. It is written as 'Kalarippayattu – A Complete Guide to Kerala’s Ancient Martial Art', but I would like to change it to 'Kalarippayattu – The Complete Guide to Kerala’s Ancient Martial Art'. How do I approach this? Nickkoshy (talk) 07:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Nickkoshy, regardless of how the article title is spelled, make sure that the book title in the article is spelled exactly the same as the title on the cover. You would change the title just as you would edit anything in the article. If the book is part of a source citation, you will (in edit mode) find the book's information listed in the same position as the citation number standing in for it in the article. You can't edit a source citation/reference in the References section. Hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quisqualis (talk • contribs) 08:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just to add that, strictly speaking, the official title of a book is that shown on the title page. Very occasionally that shown on the cover is altered for display or design purposes.--Shantavira|feed me 10:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Linguistic purism
Hi there,
What's the policy here when a user (any user) makes mass changes to replace a word they simply don't like (for example: replacing word loans or pseudo-loans with more English words because they think it's "substandard English", even though the word has been in reference dictionaries like the Oxford English Dictionary or Merriam-Webster for a long time)?
Thanks. Thibaut (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh dear. There's quite a lot of this around. Well, what's this particular user up to, exactly? Imaginably it's harmless, but imaginably it takes the prose back to that of a (supposed?) past. -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Thibaut120094: Oh dear, indeed. There are a couple of potential problems with that kind of editing. It might very well change the meaning of a sentence and introducde factual errors. A "more English" word (in the sense of being descended from Old English rather than having entered the language from Norman French or Latin or Persian or some other language) might mean something pretty different from the loanword it replaces. And making undiscussed mass changes that are not uncontroversial is problematic whatever the reason is (I mean, even if the replacement word is equally correct, it doesn't follow that the other word is "substandard", especially if other editors do not agree). There are words that are not ideal to use in an encyclopedia, but it doesn't really seem like that's the issue here. If your question is connected to the discussion here it looks like the editor making these changes needs to stop what they are doing. --bonadea contributions talk 12:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Strange blank area
Why do Wikipedia articles leave a large blank and textless area on the right side of the table of contents? I think it's stylistically weak. If it is a programmatic problem, then it could be solved in several ways: 1) possible local variables in the table of contents could be changed to global ones; 2) the width of the inner edge of the text frame on the right may be larger at the beginning; 3) the width of the text frame can be constant, so that the text of long lines continues to the next one, at the same time we would get rid of some very narrow tables of contents. 4) Lastly, the article text could flow free on the right side of the text frame like they flow beside other boxes. Please answer this question and not start changing the subject to vector 2022. Please do not redirect to the programmers' page. The last time I asked there, why does Wikidata give an error message if Finland uses the Finnish hyphens for ISBN numbers and not the American practice. I had 3 references for the hyphens. The answer was one word: "Invalid". Maybe not a war invalid. Jari Rauma (talk) 11:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Jari Rauma. Not addressing your main concerns, but in case your last sentence expresses genuine perplexity: there are two English words with the same spelling but different meanings – "in'valid" (emphasis on the first syllable) means "someone confined to bed while suffering or recovering from illness or injury", while "inval'id" means, "not valid, or "wrong format" etc. Doubtless the latter was meant, and would have been a completely automated response; I'm sure no human was trying to be brusque. {The poster formerly known as 87.18,230.195} 90.193.130.14 (talk) 16:06, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jari Rauma The blank area is there because it's always been there, it's just the way the table of contents was implemented a decade ago when the vector skin was designed. I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to "local and global variables" or why that would have anything to do with the display of the page, The display of the page is set using CSS. The look of the vector skin has been constant for over a decade and changing fundamentals with the display of the skin at this point would be extremely controversial, so it is extremely unlikely (in my opinion) that the developers would change the way the table of contents is displayed at this point. The new skin that is being worked on, vector 2022, does not embed the table of contents in the article at all, so that it doesn't interrupt the display of the text. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, sir.
You wrote: " I'm not sure what you're talking about with regards to "local and global variables" or why that would have anything to do with the display of the page,". – These variables are basic stuff in programming languages. If the dimension is defined as a local variable and after that static, the variable can only be changed locally. Or the text flow -function doesn't work with the context frame, because the context frame -function has forbidden it by placing a signal: we're are busy, don't write stuff on the right side. So the text flow -function has to wait for a global signal: now the text frame is ready and now the text flow -function can start.
I know that the error has continued for over 10 years. Here is one clarification to my question about the large empty area on the right side of the table of contents (if you didn't understand) and one example. The text: " The last time I asked there, why does Wikidata give an error message if Finland uses the Finnish hyphens for ISBN numbers and not the American practice." should be "The last time I asked there, why does Wikidata give an error message if Finland uses the Finnish practice of placing hyphens between ISBN numbers and not the American practice". Here is one example of a strangely large white area. How stupid! but maybe it's nice for some high-class people who never take notice of their mistakes. And what's your opinion or is it illegal, because in Wikipedia you must ask others what you see: Foreign policy of the Donald Trump administration Look it carefully and honestly.
So, You still changed the subject although I forbade. You want to change the subject to Vector 2022. I have a question about that, too. Why does Vector 2022 shows always the index? It's cumbersome. I don't want always to see a book's index when I'm reading a book. But that's the primitive way to narrow the article text column. Maybe you began to understand that narrower columns are easier to read. I have always thought that 1-column articles are from the Stone age. Newspapers got rid of them a few hundred years ago. Jari Rauma (talk) 13:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Jari Rauma I've moved your comment to here- please edit this existing section for follow up comments, instead of creating a new section. 331dot (talk) 13:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jari Rauma I still don't understand what you are talking about with "global or local variables"? I know what a global or local variable is, but I don't see how concepts from programming languages are relevant to a mark up language, where you think these variables are located or what relevance they have to how the page is displayed. Do you know how websites work, because a lot of the stuff you're saying about "text flow fuctions" and "context frame functions" and "signals" don't make any sense. Wikipedia is, for the most part, a relatively plain HTML document with a bit of CSS to make it look pretty.
- Problems with ISBNs on wikidata and their integration with Finnish standards should be directed to the wikidata help forum, this help page is for issues with the English wikipedia and most people here will not have the knowledge to be able to help you with that problem.
- I know exactly what you are talking about when you mention the white space next to the table of contents - the point is that it isn't a bug - it was intentionally designed to look that way. The current skin is essentially now being preserved for the sake of people who like the existing skin and who don't want to update - making huge changes to the appearance of pages doesn't make any sense at this point. The efforts to improve the table of content and make it less obstructive to the have gone into the new vector 2022 skin, if you don't want to use it that's fine, but if you're going to stick to a skin that was made a decade ago you aren't going to get new features and are going to be presented with a website that looks exactly like it did 10 years ago.
- You might be able to hack something together with some custom CSS or JavaScript to do what you want but I'm not aware of any existing user scripts that do wat you describe. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- 2022Sir, you can ask more questions about programming from Wikidata. I hope you get a better answer than "invalid". Wikidata shows a bug in two places. In the Finnish Wikipedia articles, the ISBN numbers are hyphenated the same way as book stores do in Finland. And one of the sources said: "The use of hyphens or spaces has no lexical significance and is purely to enhance readability." (ISBN manual, 2017 p. 11) [2]. So this is perhaps also "invalid" according the guys in Wikidata.
- Sir, I prefer professional Wikiwanda to Vector 2022. New Vector has copied a little from modern Wikiwanda-style, but Vector 2022 comes far behind. The main problem is that Vector 2022 still has a big program bug with graphics. It has inherited it from vector 2010. But I write about it later here, because I'm not invalid. By the way, do you notice the big mistake? Perhaps you can figure it out by comparing Wikiwanda and Vector 2022. Jari Rauma (talk) 14:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jari Rauma: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're referring to the wide margins around the main content, that is intentional (though not necessarily well-received). See mw:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements/Features/Limiting content width for more details. —Tenryuu � ( 💬 • � ) 15:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia uses one column of text because it (like many digital works) follows the paradigm of the vertical scroll rather than the codex. Printed newspapers, like almost all modern printed books, are codices, in which columns are useful because the textual content is broken into individual chunks by pagination at the time of publishing. Each page is seen in its entirety at any given point in a work; therefore, columns are useful because the start of the next column is always immediately accessible simply by moving one's eyes or turning the page.With a vertical scroll, however, the textual content is not broken up by the publisher; the whole scroll itself acts like a long page, successive sections of which are revealed and hidden when reading (in a way, the reader acts as the paginator, dynamically creating individual quasi-pages when moving along the scroll). If the text were broken into columns, in all likelihood the start of the next column would not always be easily accessible: a reader would probably have to inefficiently scroll back through already-read text to find it. This is why, for example, no major online news publisher (that I know of) breaks its text content into columns, even if it publishes a paper version which is columnated.In this sense, though codices are admittedly newer than scrolls, the use of single-column text is in fact a rather new development, based on the modern adoption of an ancient method of text display. Shells-shells (talk) 23:47, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
my article got speedy deletion
my first article got the speedy deletion although I have not promoted or advertised any company. Please review it PatrickSmith07 (talk) 11:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- PatrickSmith07 At the moment, Draft:Learnbay still exists, but is tagged for Speedy deletion. You responded on your Talk page, which will have no effect. You also replied properly on the Talk page of the article, which is the right place. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Â Courtesy link:Â Draft:Learnbay
- @PatrickSmith07 The article hasn't been deleted yet, but it will meet the criteria for deletion as advertising or promotion (WP:G11). The entire thing is full of puffery, "inspirational"/promotional language and seems to exist purely to promote the company, text like
Going out of the box, he dreamt of such a business that will shape the future of professionals.
orMrs. Nisha Kumari was already holding an outstanding level of people management skills, but her passion was searching for such a role, where she could drive job seekers to their best level of career growth and security.
are completely inappropriate for an encyclopaedia. - Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written from a neutral point of view, avoiding promotion, and should summarise what independent, reliable sources say about the subject. Huge chunks of this draft are completely unsourced and it would need a 100% rewrite to stand any chance at all of being accepted. Start by finding a few pieces of independent, reliable, non-trivial coverage of this company, then base your draft around what those sources say.
- Finally, if you are editing here as part of your job or you expect to receive compensation for your edits please follow the instructions at WP:PAID to make the required disclosures. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 11:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. I am going to rewrite the article with more neutral PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you are an employee or paid, declare that on your User page. If not paid or compensated or have a personal connection to the company, declare that on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not paid writer or employee of this compnay PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have a personal connection to the founders? Or unpaid connection to the company - for example, as a student? See WP:COI for how to declare. David notMD (talk) 12:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PatrickSmith07 David notMD said " If not paid or compensated or have a personal connection to the company, declare that on your Talk page". This page is not your Talk page. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:58, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am editing the draft content. I start research about this company after read the new on financial express https://www.financialexpress.com/education-2/learnbay-goes-offline-with-brick-and-mortar-centres-ends-fy22-with-a-net-profit-of-rs-3-2-crore/2590829/ PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- The draft has been Speedy deleted, meaning all public record of creation and edits are no longer visible at your account. If you wish to recover content, you can ask the deleting administrator. Be aware that a draft on Learnbay had been created and deleted in June as promotional and copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 15:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I was the nominator of the CSD G11, and absolutely don't agree that a draft should be started again (
Thanks for your help. I am going to rewrite the article with more neutral
would be hard if you have a conflict of interest). Like what said before, some of the article is a blatant ad: seeMrs. Nisha Kumari was already holding an outstanding level of people management skills, but her passion was searching for such a role, where she could drive job seekers to their best level of career growth and security.
Also, please declare a COI if possible. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not paid writer or employee of this compnay PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you are an employee or paid, declare that on your User page. If not paid or compensated or have a personal connection to the company, declare that on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. I am going to rewrite the article with more neutral PatrickSmith07 (talk) 12:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Chart editing
Hello! I've noticed that the 2020 United States Presidential Election page has, in its Election Results chart, a section that shows the margin that the popular vote by party for a particular state swung from 2016 to 2020, but other elections don't have that. So I'm planning on adding that to the other presidential elections, but I can't figure out how to add a new column to the chart. How do I do this? Macegav4774 (talk) 12:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Macegav4774: I think you're referring to the chart in this section? 2020 United States presidential election#Results by state That's called a wikitable. This may help Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, and that is the table, but I don't know how to add a new cell like it tells me to do. How do I do that? Macegav4774 (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
How do I expand a article
Hi im new here and im interested in expanding michiya haruhata’s wiki article but I don’t know what I should add should it be lots of references or accomplishments and if so what kind of accomplishments or do I find information about said person to add 2A00:23C7:6996:B201:40B3:34C7:2447:D8AB (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would like to state thought that I am not a Japanese speaker so it may prove relatively difficult for me to find reliable sources of information such as news or particularly news papers so recommendations would be highly appreciated(he is a Japanese musician so Japanese music related news sources would be highly preferable) and also would like to inquire if possible to what is required to prove his notability do I need references from news sources on him or will I need awards and rankings and lastly when if or when I make these changes do I need to contact anyone to fact check or confirm these changes and also to remove the thing that says that said article is a stub or lacks some important attributes “thank you for you precious time any replies would be highly appreciated� 2A00:23C7:6996:B201:40B3:34C7:2447:D8AB (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
I have now gained an account it’s goldsoldier75 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldsoldier75 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC) Goldsoldier75 (talk) 15:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Goldsoldier75, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- To take your questions in order:
- The information you should add is, primarily, what independent sources say about him. A limited amount of information can be added from non-independent sources (such as his own website, or interviews with him), but most of an article should come from independent reliable sources. Do not add anything which you can find only from social media or from sites that are there to sell thing.
- Wikipedia policy requires that all information in an article be found in a reliable published source. Policy does not insist that every piece of information actually be cited to a source, but reviewers prefer if it is, especially in am article about a living person. Since you must have found the information in a reliable source in order to put it in the article, why not cite it?
- Awards and rankings are certainly the kind of information which goes in an article. Ideally, they will be cited to an independent source (not just to the organisation that gave the award, for example), but there is some room for discretion. It makes a difference whether the award is a widely recognised prestigious thing, or something a minor magazine or publisher has invented to sell things.
- Sources do not have to be in English, as long as they are reliable. But of course if you can't read Japanese, that may not help you. I don't know where to suggest you go for information about sources for Japanese music, but somebody at WP:WikiProject Japan may be able to help.
- You don't need to check with anybody before editing. If you think your changes might be contentious, or you're not sure how best to do them, it's worth starting a discussion on the article's talk page first; but if you're reasonably confident about your change, just make it. If somebody disagrees with it, they may revert you edit, and then you can start a discussion. See WP:BRD.
- That applies to the cleanup tags as well: if you think that you have addressed an issue, you can remove the relevant tag. (Notice the box with the tags has a link "(Learn how and when to remove these template messages)"
- I hope these notes help : please come back and ask further if anything isn't clear. If you haven't read WP:NMUSIC and WP:YFA, they may help as well. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you very much kind sir you have been a great help if I have any other questions I will most certainly ask you Goldsoldier75 (talk) 18:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Uploading images
I tried uploading the logo of the Satakunnan Kansa newspaper to Wikimedia Commons. It didnt work because the image title was descriptive enough.
What am i supposed to do? Nothing worked, i changed the title many times and all got rejected. --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 14:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Kilaseell. As far as I can see from their website, the only thing I would call a logo is the particular font and typeface they use for their name. This is below the threshold for copyright protection and you should be able to upload a version to Commons by following the procedures laid out at WP:LOGO. If something doesn't work, please explain in more detail what errors result. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
I know how to upload images and everything, i even gave it the correct copyright tag. I tried to give the image a name but it just says that the title has to be more descriptive. I do not know why this happens, it just happens. --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 15:47, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
I got it to work now! --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 15:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Access to User pages
Is there a way a "civilian" can access my User page? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Pete Best Beatles and welcome to the Teahouse. All information published on Wikipedia, either on articles or pages, is public and recorded. To answer your question directly, yes, anyone can view your user page. --ARoseWolf 14:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- But not everyone can edit it, see Wikipedia:Protection policy#User pages. Lectonar (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- How can they access it? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Depends on what you mean by "access", Pete Best Beatles? Do you mean, view it or edit it? --ARoseWolf 14:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Simply view it. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Anyone can do that simply by clicking on your Username in a post like the one you have just made, or from the edit history of any article you have contributed to. Clearly, it helps the collaboration necessary within Wikipedia that user Pages and associated Talk Pages are readily available. Etiquette means that I would rarely if ever edit another user's page unless they had asked me to do so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Also, by clicking on your User page and then View history, editors can see past versions of your User page, even if you have deleted content, so take care in what you say about yourself! David notMD (talk) 15:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- I apologize if I'm not being clear. I want to know how I can direct an "outsider" to my User page - what phrase would they need to search with? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pete Best Beatles you can link it like this. --ARoseWolf 15:14, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- User pages are not indexed by search engines, so no "phrase" will work: the URL as supplied above would be needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- To search internally they would need to enter
User:Pete Best Beatles
in the "Search Wikipedia" bar and it would have the same affect as the provided url. --ARoseWolf 15:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)- Thanks, everybody. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- To search internally they would need to enter
- I apologize if I'm not being clear. I want to know how I can direct an "outsider" to my User page - what phrase would they need to search with? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Also, by clicking on your User page and then View history, editors can see past versions of your User page, even if you have deleted content, so take care in what you say about yourself! David notMD (talk) 15:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Anyone can do that simply by clicking on your Username in a post like the one you have just made, or from the edit history of any article you have contributed to. Clearly, it helps the collaboration necessary within Wikipedia that user Pages and associated Talk Pages are readily available. Etiquette means that I would rarely if ever edit another user's page unless they had asked me to do so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Simply view it. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Depends on what you mean by "access", Pete Best Beatles? Do you mean, view it or edit it? --ARoseWolf 14:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- How can they access it? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- But not everyone can edit it, see Wikipedia:Protection policy#User pages. Lectonar (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Notability for films
Hi, I want to confirm whether the criteria "...The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking..." includes all possible categories like direction, acting, music, editing, cinematography, and others for a movie? Would a film be notable if it has received only 1 award for "best supporting actor" category? Thanks! Insight 3 (talk) 14:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Insight 3. That language is intended to indicate that such a film is likely to be notable, but it is not a guarantee that an article about the film will be accepted. As the guideline says,
The following are attributes that generally indicate, when supported with reliable sources, that the required sources are likely to exist
. In the end, a contemporary film must have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, although those sources do not have to be readily available online. Cullen328 (talk) 15:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)- Thanks for your reply! I am asking this particularly in context of older films where online press coverage is hard to find. To be more precise, I talking about a film:
- 1) released in 1976
- 2) with not enough press
- 3) received one award in best supporting category and this is supported by reliable online sources
- Insight 3 (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Insight 3, if there is "not enough press", as you put it, then how will you be able to write a verifiable and informative encyclopedia article about the film? Cullen328 (talk) 17:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Help needed improving article on Fernando Amorsolo
Hello experienced Wikipedia editors,
I just want to ask for valuable input on how to further improve the page of Fernando Amorsolo, Filipino National Artist for Painting. I'm putting the links below:
Published Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Amorsolo New Sandbox article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Prof.PMarini/sandbox
As a practice for the process of editing in Wikipedia, I translated the Filipino article about Fernando Amorsolo, even if there is already an existing article in English. If you review both, you will see that there are still significant differences between the two. With your experience and expertise, please help me decide which sections from the new sandbox article may be used to improve the existing published article.
Thank you very much! Prof.PMarini (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- You are asking for far to much from Teahouse hosts who are here to provide general advice, but not in-depth article research. As you pointed out, Fernande Amorsolo exists. It was created in 2006 and has been edited >1000 times. You have created a longer version in your Sandbox, stating that this is a translation of an existing Filipino article. What I recommend is that on the Talk page of English Wikipedia, you intend to add/subtract content based on the Filipino article. Then, make a series of modest-sized edits to the English article, with references, each time explaining in the Edit summary where the new content came from. If you are reverted by another editor, invite that person to a discussion on the Talk page, in an effort to achieve consensus. Be aware that English Wikipedia has higher requirements for verifying references compared to some other-language Wikipedias. David notMD (talk) 15:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advise.
Prof.PMarini (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- David meant to link Fernando Amorsolo. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you.
Prof.PMarini (talk) 02:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
To make a actress page semi protected
Hi, Can anyone help me in making Manju Warrier article into semi protected. Many vandalism edits are made in the article. I wish to improve the article. If this vandalism edits are occurring again and again, it makes me difficult to improve the edits. Can anyone please help me out for this issue.Paavamjinn (talk) 15:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Paavamjinn: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may try and request semi-protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. —Tenryuu � ( 💬 • � ) 15:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) Hi Paavamjinn. as far as I can see, one editor, who is not an IP, has been adding uncited material to that article and they have already been warned on their Talk Page about this by an experienced editor also working there. Note that vandalism has a very specific meaning (see WP:VANDALISM) that probably doesn't apply in this case. I suggest you start making your additions and for the moment just wait to see how things develop. More information at WP:SEMIGUIDE if you need it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Paavamjinn: I have semi-protected the article for six months, escalating the prior duration. Note that semi protection would not protect against edits from accounts more than 5 days old with more than 10 edits, which is going to be the case in the next couple of days for one editor you reverted. @Michael D. Turnbull: while I agree it is not vandalism, the article has suffered from disruption, and has been protected multiple times previously for the same reason. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Anachronist@Michael D. Turnbull@Tenryuu I need to add correct birth year in the article. But the news links are not available. But I have the government issue ID card of the individual. So can I use that as a proof for adding the correct year of birth in the article.Paavamjinn (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Paavamjinn How do you have access to this person's ID? In any event, it is not acceptable as a source, as it is not publicly available. 331dot (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- That's correct. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Sources should publicly-available publications that can be verified by anyone. Personal knowledge, tribal knowledge, private documents, etc. aren't acceptable. If no such source exists for a year of birth, then simply omit it from the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @331dot@Anachronist currently I don't have access to it. I just asked about its there any chance or not. Thats itPaavamjinn (talk) 17:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Paavamjinn How do you have access to this person's ID? In any event, it is not acceptable as a source, as it is not publicly available. 331dot (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Anachronist@Michael D. Turnbull@Tenryuu I need to add correct birth year in the article. But the news links are not available. But I have the government issue ID card of the individual. So can I use that as a proof for adding the correct year of birth in the article.Paavamjinn (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Paavamjinn: I have semi-protected the article for six months, escalating the prior duration. Note that semi protection would not protect against edits from accounts more than 5 days old with more than 10 edits, which is going to be the case in the next couple of days for one editor you reverted. @Michael D. Turnbull: while I agree it is not vandalism, the article has suffered from disruption, and has been protected multiple times previously for the same reason. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
can I create portuguese of portugal finacial literacy content?
Hello Wikipedia contributors thank you so much for the volunteer work.
I'm not new to wikipedia in 2008 I tried to post some content about financial literacy but some people from Brasil block it. I didn't want to put personal advertising for books or my classes just prefer to share the knowledge that can do poverty relief.And do translation from English to Portuguese of Portugal so all the expertise will be available for all. Honestly I prefer not to post any content in a Portuguese Brazilian page because the way we write is considered wrong. I value very much community feedback from Brazilian and other contributors but being blocked just because I write in Portuguese of Portugal is not fair.https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finanças_pessoais thank you,best regards Rosina Ramos (talk) 16:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Rosina Ramos: this is the english Wikipedia, we cannot help you with problems over at the Portuguese Wikipedia. I can't read Portuguese, but from what it seems pt:Finanças pessoais is tagged as being undersourced. Their equivalent of the Teahouse seems to be pt:Ajuda:Tire suas dúvidas. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- thank you very much Victor Schmidt I will pose the question at pt ajuda. Financial literary subjects are new to the world and more newer in Portugal although we have already great expertise and proven results in the field, most of them are not PhD's in consumer economics to be regarded as valid. Rosina Ramos (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
How to create a glossary
Greetings. I have seen many glossaries on Wikipedia, and I'm asking myself: how are those glossaries created? How can I create one myself while respecting Wikipedia's guidelines? NikoPalad67140 (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, NikoPalad67140. You can find guidance at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Glossaries. Cullen328 (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Question About Citations
Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone.
For some context, I'm an extremely new editor (created an account only three or four days ago) and have mostly contributed to basketball/NBA pages since that's my general interest.
If I wanted to describe how a certain player performed in a specific game like a debut game or a game where they got a career/season high in points, shot attempts, etc., would it be appropriate to use a box score as a citation? Or would it follow Wikipedia standards better if I used a credible news article that reported that information?
If there's a WP page or another question forum which could give me an answer for this, I'd greatly appreciate that information as well.
Thank you for your assistance. Some Guy Named Brandon (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Everything needs citation unless it falls in the WP:SKYISBLUE category. See Help:Citing sources and WP:Reliable sources. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- These pages helped out my situation. Thank you for responding, @NewsAndEventsGuy. Some Guy Named Brandon (talk) 22:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- You're welcome; In that topic area things you also need to know might include WP:BLP, WP:OR, and WP:NPOV. Each of those pages will mention a corresponding "noticeboard". I suggest adding the noticeboards to your watch list and just following the conversations, regardless of topics,to get up to speed on how experienced eds (eds=editors) apply those three policies.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- These pages helped out my situation. Thank you for responding, @NewsAndEventsGuy. Some Guy Named Brandon (talk) 22:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
gadget for Efficient copying of named refs
I'm doing some Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, and my goal is to include the cited refs when I paste the copied text elsewhere. Sometimes the citation template is not in the copied block. Instead it might simply be called via a named ref tag. Do we have a gadget that will handle automatic referencing. i.e., something that will look up the citation in the named ref and populate the template in the copied block? Or do you have to look them each up individually and do a manual copy? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just FYI, at the moment the project is to copy paragraphs discussing claims of 2020 election fraud into some research notes and possible outline article presently in my userspace here . NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Assessing an Article's Quality
Hello! I've been editing the page for Partial autocorrelation function on and off for a while and I think I've improved it enough to remove the "lacking inline citations" message at the top of the article and maybe promote it to a C-class article. However, I might be biased since I'm the one who worked on the article. Is there a place where I can "sanity-check" myself and ask a more experienced editor to look at the article and judge it? Thank you so much for your volunteer work! Moon motif (talk) 21:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Moon motif: If you can incorporate that NIST page as an inline citation, as well as find a citation for the definition, it's fine to remove the "lacking inline citations" message. It would be fine now, but if you're interested in further citation improvements, that's my suggestion. I made a small stylistic correction (Wikipedia doesn't use title case in headings; see MOS:HEADINGS). ~Anachronist (talk) 03:11, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Moon motif. I have been editing here for 13 years, and have upgraded articles from stub to start many, many times. Far too many articles are called "stubs" that are fairly informative and are really no longer stubs. The only ratings that require a consensus are Featured articles and Good articles. Any individual editor can upgrade (or downgrade) such sub GA articles, as long they are acting in good faith. The delineations between Start, C, and B are vague and highly subjective. I encourage you not to think too much about such fine distinctions. Focus, instead, on writing and expanding better articles that are more informative for our readers (and ourselves). That is our real purpose here. Cullen328 (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you both for your responses! Moon motif (talk) 06:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Moon motif. I have been editing here for 13 years, and have upgraded articles from stub to start many, many times. Far too many articles are called "stubs" that are fairly informative and are really no longer stubs. The only ratings that require a consensus are Featured articles and Good articles. Any individual editor can upgrade (or downgrade) such sub GA articles, as long they are acting in good faith. The delineations between Start, C, and B are vague and highly subjective. I encourage you not to think too much about such fine distinctions. Focus, instead, on writing and expanding better articles that are more informative for our readers (and ourselves). That is our real purpose here. Cullen328 (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
@Denniss
HE keeps deleting my categories in stuff bc SeLF pROPelLeD gUNS aRE noT TanKS AND I AM SICK OF HIM. THATS MY ISSUE. Simohayhafan (talk) 21:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Simohayhafan, step away from Wikipedia and go have a cup of tea (or other beverage of choice), then discuss the issue on either their user talk page or the article page. Do not continue with your inappropriate edit summaries. Slywriter (talk) 21:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Simohayfan, please read about WP:Consensus. Wikipedia works by consensus, which sometimes involves compromise. Charging in with all guns blazing is not conducive to achieving consensus - irrespective of whether you are right or not. ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Simohayfan, I think it might look as if a number of people (including me) have piled on to you. I want to say that: I get that you are frustrated and angry, and I'm guessing that it feels as if you're not being heard. You feel strongly about something, and you can't see why other people don't agree. That's not a comfortable position to be in, and it's understandable that you get angry and a bit shouty. The trouble is, that makes it even harder for people to hear you, because they have to get past the wall of anger that you have built. I second the advice to step away for a bit, and give yourself a chance to calm down. If you allow yourself to really hear what people are saying back to you about the things that you feel strongly about, and show that you have heard them, there's a greater chance that they will be willing to listen to your point of view. That doesn't mean that you will necessarily get your way: as I said above, Wikipedia works by consensus, and there is often compromise required. But it will save you the pain of living in anger. ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
How to rename categorys
since spgs apparently are not tanks i want to know how to rename so i can add the stugs and jagd series of tanks to my thing without them being deleted 1 min later. Simohayhafan (talk) 22:25, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Renaming categories is rarely something that should be be done without discussion. Given that you have already been involved in an acrimonious dispute, it would be doubly foolish to try and do so. (In addition to which , your choice of words suggests that this is pointy, which is another reason not to do it). Get consensus first. ColinFine (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I peeked at the source venue and your talk pages....my advice is first read WP:CIVIL from start to finish. Then stop editing of a week but each day read WP:ANI. Then read the essay WP:Writing for the opponent. When you master the skill in the last one, that will help you remain CIVIL and not take the WP:BAIT which will help you stay out of WP:ANI. And then you will be ready to try to solve the underlying problem,maybe with the tools of WP:Dispute resolution. But don't bother if you are still pissed, because trying to form a consensus when you are one voice against many while angry is like trying to cross the English Channel in a paddleboat while drilling holes in the hull. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Here is some additional advice, Simohayhafan. Stop hollering in all caps and with strange formatting. Write like a serious, level headed, thoughtful adult. Cullen328 (talk) 00:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikicite reference
In "Further reading" under Emancipation Proclamation, one book is listed as follows:
- Foner, Eric. The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery (W. W. Norton, 2010)
I want to link Eric Foner to his Wikipedia article, but I don't know how to do so with a wikicite reference. I also don't know what a wikicite reference is, or why this book alone, of all those listed under "Further reading," uses this format. Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC) (You will have to click "Edit source" to see the wikicite reference.) Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC) I could redo the book listing without the wikicite reference, but I first want to find out whether there is some reason for it. Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus: A common reason for things like this is that the person who added that was well intentioned but did not know how to use the citation templates. Or it could be laziness. In any case, it's good to make them consistent, so if you want to, go right ahead. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks; I've listed the book without a template, using double brackets to link Foner to his Wikipedia page. This is always how I add books, even if other books use the template that requires using author-link= to link an author's name. I don't see a need for consistency, because it appears consistent to readers; it is inconsistent only when an editor is in "Edit source." And I don't see what purpose the template serves. Often it forces punctuation on you that you don't want; sometimes it results in a comma and a period side by side and I can't get rid of one of them. Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I use templates precisely so that I don't have to worry about the formatting, and because the template reminds me of the fields that are required (and those that are optional). But it's not required. ColinFine (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Maurice Magnus: The reason we use templates is for consistent formatting. There are many ways to cite something, and it's stylistically bad to introduce multiple ways in the same article. I recommend you stick to the templates already being used in the article. If you object to the punctuation in a template, then you are free to propose changes on the template talk page. Changing a template is a serious thing, because it changes the appearance of citations in thousands, if not millions, of articles. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Anachronist: I don't see that inconsistent use of templates makes a difference to style. Take a look at "Further reading" under Abraham Lincoln and slavery. The first four books listed -- by Belz, Burlingame, Burton, and Carwardine -- all have the same style: last name of author, first name of author, year in parentheses, title in italics, publisher. Yet Belz and Burton use a template, while Burlingame and Carwardine do not. Maurice Magnus (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks; I've listed the book without a template, using double brackets to link Foner to his Wikipedia page. This is always how I add books, even if other books use the template that requires using author-link= to link an author's name. I don't see a need for consistency, because it appears consistent to readers; it is inconsistent only when an editor is in "Edit source." And I don't see what purpose the template serves. Often it forces punctuation on you that you don't want; sometimes it results in a comma and a period side by side and I can't get rid of one of them. Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Create a wiki page for myself
Hello,
I recently had a Wikipedia page declined for myself and I would just like to know the basics of creating a page for myself. I suppose a template I could use would help me greatly.
I'm completely new to creating pages for Wikipedia so I can't come to grasp the concept of what's written in the instructions just yet. If you would like to know abit about myself then please just ask.
Thanks in advance
Paul Yorke Oimatrixio (talk) 01:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to Wikipedia, and many thanks for your edits! Presumably, a more experienced editor would inform you more, but I strongly advice against creating a WP page for yourself. That's considered as you having a Conflict of Interest. The guideline says that
you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly
, if you write a promo-like article, it would probably be deleted under the Criteria for Speedy Deletion ones under A7 or G11. So, I think other editors would probably also advice against creating an autobiography. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)- Hello, Oimatrixio. Start by reading WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, and perhaps read it several times so that it really sinks in. Then read and study Wikipedia's Notability guideline for people. Ask yourself how you meet that standard, and explain it to us. Then, read and study Your first article to understand how great the challenge is before you. In theory, it is possible that someone could write an acceptable Wikipedia autobiography. Maybe a longtime Wikipedia editor who just won a Pulitzer Prize, for example. Such a long time editor would be happy to have someone else write that article, though. Well over 99% of such efforts end up failing. Cullen328 (talk) 01:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your quick response! Oimatrixio (talk) 02:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- When people try to create an article about themselves, it is almost always the case that they have failed to understand what Wikipedia is and what it is not, and think that "having a page" is a way of promoting themselves - i.e., telling the world about themselves - like having a page on Facebook or LinkedIn. It is not: this is an encyclopaedia, and promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Unable to sign in
Have been able to edit articles previously to improve the service but now keeps saying user name is already in use and won't let me in. Have tried repeatedly to sign in to no avail. 69.118.145.247 (talk) 03:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you're having issues logging in, check out this guide on login issues. StartOkayStop (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- That link goes to the wrong place when I use it. This one goes to the relevant page. However, being told the username already exists suggests you're trying to register a new account rather than log into an existing one, so are you simply following the wrong link? Neiltonks (talk) 09:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
film
I'm sorry to bother you with this, but I just can't find it. Can feature length films be a source. Also, I'm trying to create my user page just to let you know. It seems very hard. Someone told me to use an Adventure Game, but when I went there, there were so many games, and I couldn't find anything about plaing a game that it will help you build your page. and my subject has wriitten 10 books. Can I use sources in his books? MikiBishop (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC) MikiBishop (talk) 05:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @MikiBishop You can, for example, use a WP:RS documentary film as a source if it's relevant to a specific article, use Template:Cite AV media. See also MOS:PLOTSOURCE. To create your WP:USERPAGE, click the redlinked "MikiBishop" in your signature just above, type something, and publish. If you're trying to make a WP:BLP, it doesn't matter how many books your subject has written, you have to meet the demands of WP:N. You need WP:RS independent of your subject that writes about them in some detail, not just mention their name. More info on starting an article at WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- thank you so much. yes, trying to make sure I have reliable sources. I've been reading those pages for three or four times each now. laugh. I'm really grateful. I've been working on this for days, and I'm still confused about exactly how to do things. I'll follow your advice and thank you again very much. MikiBishop (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
I Wrote a Article About Sri lankan Film maker Indika Wicramarachchi and i upload to the Wikipedia. but nobody can search that Article by his name Indika Wicramarachchi
I Wrote a Article About Sri lankan Film maker Indika Wicramarachchi and i upload to the Wikipedia. but nobody can search that Article by his name Indika Wicramarachchi. this is the link of my Article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wicsakiwdss/sandbox Wicsakiwdss (talk) 05:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wicsakiwdss, User:Wicsakiwdss/sandbox is not a Wikipedia article. It's a draft of an article that you have created in your user sandbox. As it's not an article, it's not indexed by search engines. In its current state, it is not acceptable as an article because it cites no references, and so does not establish that its subject is notable enough to warrant article status. Maproom (talk) 06:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Creating a new Article
Hi there, I have a question. I’m new here at Wikipedia. How do I create an article. Do I do it via sandbox or where? If you could reply on my talk page, I can try it out there. Thank you Teahouse. Yours sincerely Germerican220 (talk) 07:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Germerican220, Hi and welcome! Creating an acceptable WP-article without any previous WP-experience is hard, so it's recommended to get used to simpler editing first, and you need to learn how to use references correctly, this is essential, WP:TUTORIAL has a guide for that.
- My personal method is to start the article via Wikipedia:Drafts#Creating_and_editing_drafts. Take your time to get it right, make sure WP:N is met (if you can't meet the demands there, your article will not be accepted), and when you're done you can submit it for review. Note that the "Publish" button here only means you are publishing/changing the draft as a draft, not an actual article, so don't be afraid to use it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Germerican220 (talk) 07:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Germerican220. There are a couple of ways to create a new article. Since you're a new user without yet having established a track record of creating acceptable articles, I suggest you use Wikipedia:Articles for creation just to familiarize yourself with the process. However, I first suggest that you take a look at this and this for some general guidance on what types of subjects tend to be considered OK to create articles about, and also this for some general guidance how articles should be written. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks man Germerican220 (talk) 07:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You appear to be evading a block here User:CLathrop202020. Theroadislong (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks man Germerican220 (talk) 07:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
my experience with what I thought should be an undisputed minor editing
Hi! In the article of Hospitality Club I've run into an issue that I'd like to discuss and hope it is the right place here:
- Sometimes companies, software products, etc. just run out of business. If they got unimportant over the time, there might be no media coverage anymore. Which means that there is no valid source we can use for mentioning that this product/club/company is not active anymore. The English Wikipedia seems to be very strict on that, but shouldn't we discuss if there is a better way how to deal with these things instead of having an article that sounds like everything still is in business?
- I already tried 3O and RfC to discuss the matter in the mentioned article. The whole process of discussing and solving these issues is rather complicated and not welcoming at all. Also you run into experienced users who seem to know the rules by heart but are not willing to show a collaborative behaviour (even if they were told already to do so on their talk page). I'm not a native English speaker, so I just sporadically do minor edits here where things do not get too complicated. Usually I do a lot more work in the Wikipedia in my language. Still I was surprised that the English Wikipedia feels to be so much more stubborn and unwelcoming. Just wanted to mention that this does not seem to be the attitude you'll get new editors to stay involved.
There were the two points I'd like to mention after that experiece. Not an important article though, but maybe it's possible to find better ways how to deal with certain things. - Flexman (talk) 08:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- On your first point, a WP:ABOUTSELF source, if available, could work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. If I understand, you mean things the company published about themselves? Well unfortuntately their last statment was promising some things followed by years of inactivity. They even didn't do a "we are closing" statement. Flexman (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Then per WP:OR etc, there's not much to do, I think. I'm unaware of any WP:RS that keeps public records on former companies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe one should discuss the rules. But where? Flexman (talk) 14:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Flexman, the policy in question is WP:Verifiability. Attempting to change that policy in order to allow original research would be a monumental task - if it's something you want to attempt, the place to start such a discussion would be: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe one should discuss the rules. But where? Flexman (talk) 14:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Then per WP:OR etc, there's not much to do, I think. I'm unaware of any WP:RS that keeps public records on former companies. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comment. If I understand, you mean things the company published about themselves? Well unfortuntately their last statment was promising some things followed by years of inactivity. They even didn't do a "we are closing" statement. Flexman (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
How do I add a page to an article
I have no idea what the official name is so I’m just saying page but on the michiya haruhata page I want to add a part about the j league and I’m not sure how to create it but I want it to work like the references page were you can collapse or expand it thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 08:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- WP:TUTORIAL may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Â Courtesy link:Â Michiya Haruhata It appears that you added content about his song being used by the J league (professional football in Japan). IS there still a question? David notMD (talk) 11:45, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
No I have fixed it thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 12:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Can I anyone direct me to the guide for uploading pictures of
I would like to add a picture of Michiya haruhata is his page has none but I do not know how but I assume there is an existing guide ThanksGoldsoldier75 (talk) 09:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Goldsoldier75 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Information on uploading images can be found at WP:UPIMAGE. Note that you cannot just take any random picture you find and upload it. It's much easier if you have taken the image yourself with your own camera. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Is Getty images a okay place to get photos from Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 09:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- No, but Wikimedia Commons is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
And the risk of sounding rude why is Getty images not allowed Is it a copyright problem? Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 09:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, they make money by selling the use of pics for specific purposes. If this is about a living person, WP has basically 2 ways to "get" a pic: a fan takes a pic at a consert or similar and uploads it to Commons themselves, or, Michiya haruhata takes a selfie and ditto. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Can I upload pictures from someone’s Twitter like Michiya haruhata’s Twitter.
Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 14:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Goldsoldier75, photos uploaded to Twitter are usually copyrighted; unless the account holder specifically states that they took the picture and are releasing it under a free license, we can't use it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay thanks so is my best bet to find like a fan cam and take a picture from that or do I have to take the picture my self? Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi I noticed on the anneboyisa album article (might be incorrect name but it’s Anne Curtis’s album) that the official cover is used can I do that for the michiya haruhata page ThanksGoldsoldier75 (talk) 19:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Goldsoldier75, album covers are also (usually) copyrighted. Under the non-free content policy (WP:FAIRUSE) we can get away with using the image in an article on the album; very, very rarely it might be usable in a different article under the non-free criteria, but 99% of the time, it couldn't be used in an article about the singer. So: no. As far as a fan cam video - if the person taking the video releases it under a free license, then you could take a screenshot from it. Otherwise: also no. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
If they put it on say YouTube or something like that would that be a free license
Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 21:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Goldsoldier75, no, it is not. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 21:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- No. Pretty much everything you see on YT, Twitter, FB, Instagram etc etc is copyrighted. However, YT allows copyright owners to add a freer license, which can make it useful for WP/Commons use. [3] is an example, click "more" under the video to see the license. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Domain Banned from Wikipedia
Hey Mods,
Our Domain (www.uniacco.com) is blacklisted from wikipedia can you please share the form to raise a ticket for domain unban.
We didn't perform unethical/black hat technique we didn't get a mail why our domain is blacklisted can you please reply ASAP. Altamash.mapari (talk) 09:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Altamash.mapari, see Wikipedia:Spam blacklist for directions. At a glance, any adding of your website to any WP-article would likely be seen as Wikipedia:Spam. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Furthering the comments of Gråbergs Gråa Sång, it is highly unlikely that the website would be removed from the blacklist. It was added in 2020 following several instances of spam. Additionally, the website unicreds.com has been added to the blacklist after your recent spamming, too. Anarchyte (talk) 10:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yep, cue song by Monthy Python. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Altamash.mapari: Not only that, but speaking as someone who occasionally participates on MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist responding to delisting requests, we absolutely never remove a domain from the blacklist at the request of the site owner or anyone else with a conflict of interest. Our standard answer is that if a trusted, high-volume editor makes the request, we'll consider it seriously. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yep, cue song by Monthy Python. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Can you please help me
Can you please help me find where I add and (hopefully not be deleted), a free encyclopedia. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_Hoover whom is an author among many authors on Wikipedia. I am interested in adding a bibliography for business reason and information about my novels. JackieLynaugh (talk) 10:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @JackieLynaugh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Some recommended reading: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. People who try to make WP-articles about themselves almost always fail, because they do it wrong, and because most people are not WP:NOTABLE. If WP has an article about you, it will not be for business reasons (on purpose, anyway), and you will not have control of it's contents. If approved, it will be a summary of what WP:RS independent of you has said about you/your books. Your first (not only) hurdle is WP:GNG.
- So: what are the 3-5 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published, independent of you and about you in some detail? This excludes your websites, your publisher, blogs, wikis, online bookstores etc etc. Yolanda T. Marshall may be a helpful example. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- It appears you have published six (or more?) books. While laudable, to qualify for a Wikipedia article about you, there needs to be references to what people have written about you. A fast search on your name yielded your website and social media sites, but perhaps not enough about you. David notMD (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the information. Jackie JackieLynaugh (talk) 12:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the information. Jackie JackieLynaugh (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Continuing Draft help
Hello, Polysaccharides. (Please don't edit an archive, but start a new section in the current Teahouse, linking to the original, as I have done here.)
You added the following to the thread today (I've copied your addition here)
- @ColinFine Hello, I had covid so I wansnt near a computer.. here are the 3 sources you asked:
- https://b.walla.co.il/item/1868975
- https://www.ybook.co.il/book/7758/%D7%91%D7%99%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%A4%D7%A1-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%95%D7%AA
- https://www.maariv.co.il/culture/literature/Article-762856
- His name in Hebrew is ×“× ×™×?ל ×?דלסון
- Is there anything else you need? Polysaccharides (talk) 11:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
I would say that the first two do not have Significant coverage of Edelson: they might be useful for additional information, but I suspect that they would not contain anything not found in a fuller source. The third one might be - but it does not actually contain much about Edelson, being mostly about the book. You've stll got a way to go. ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Review my draft
please review my draft. It's pending for many days . Draft: Nituparna Baruahranuj 12:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Baruah ranuj, As stated in the template on top of the draft, it can take up to four months for the article to be reviewed. Your latest submission was today itself, so kindly wait till it is picked up. Kpddg (talk) 12:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, you only re-submitted the draft today. It had previously been declined on 25 June, so that would be one reason for reviewers to be reluctant to take it up again unless it has been substantially improved and the comment left by the previous reviewer fully addressed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draft:Nituparna Rajbongshi declined again. David notMD (talk) 20:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Deleting accounts
Hi. I have multiple accounts but idk how to delete them! Helppppppp!!!!!!!!!! Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 12:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701 Hello. It is not possible to delete an account; just stop using and abandon your other accounts. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks man. I was just confused. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- (Edit conflict) Accounts cannot be deleted since the edits made have to be attributed to their creators for copyright reasons. It is not forbidden to have multiple accounts provided you only use them for valid reasons and mention on each account's User Page that other accounts exist. You can of course simply stop using some of them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- OP determined to be a sock. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Er, well, that seems to be the point the OP is making. The OP even admits to having multiple accounts, and doesn't want them anymore. If the current account is the one he wants to stick to, then blocking it doesn't do any good. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Anachronist, their other accounts were... not in good standing. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 21:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Er, well, that seems to be the point the OP is making. The OP even admits to having multiple accounts, and doesn't want them anymore. If the current account is the one he wants to stick to, then blocking it doesn't do any good. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- OP determined to be a sock. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
what to do if you feel your draft has reliable links and deserves to be approved but it keeps on getting declined?
Recently I've been working on Draft:Daliwonga and it was denied the reason being I didn't provide reliable sources but somehow I feel the sources I provided are reliable and notable, I'm now stuck as I don't know what to do to improve the article, even though I don't know what to do I wish to keep on working on the article.Can you guys suggest me what to do in a situation like this and help improve my article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emkay2004 (talk • contribs)
- Emkay2004 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would ask you to consider that the reviewers who reviewed your draft are likely more experienced and knowledgable than you, so they may know what they are talking about. I will say that most likely the problem is not the sources themselves, but their content. What are your three best sources? 331dot (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
331dot the references I added are from the sources mentioned on South Africa reliable sources that's what makes me feel they are reliable--Emkay2004 (talk)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Emkay2004 (talk • contribs)
- Emkay2004 As I said, I suspect that it is the content of the sources that is the problem, not so much the sources themselves. What are your three best sources in the draft? If you point those out, I can look at them to see what the problem might be. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
331dot thank you for your time and concern on my issue but I really can't say that this are my 3 best sources on my ref list because I don't really know which are the best and which are not.There is also a new comment on my draft which I think can help me solve my problem.Emkay2004 (talk) 13:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I must say the draft comes across as somewhat promotional and would need to have some parts rewritten or removed. Editorial commentary like "seems to be performing well" absolutely isn't acceptable for publication. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Reliable source
What type of website of india should be added to make an article reliable??? My draft:nituparna was marked as containing unreliable source. What to do to make it reliable? Baruahranuj 13:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Baruah ranuj You cannot make a source reliable- that depends on its reputation and how it is viewed by the public. Please read this page about reliable sources for more information, but in short, a reliable source must have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control- in other words, they don't make up stuff out of whole cloth, and they check for accuracy before publishing. For an example of a source that is considered to be not reliable, see WP:DAILYMAIL. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Cant use a reliable source to cite
Hi I’m trying to cite the recording industry association of Japan but it says I need to make it manually and I can’t figure that out so I little guide would be great Goldsoldier75 (talk) 13:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Goldsolider75 Please see Referencing for Beginners which provides advice in this area. 331dot (talk) 13:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Name
Hi it’s me again. How do I change font and colour of my name??? Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Captain Kathryn, and welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:Signatures.
- Hint: often, you can find out information about a topic in editing Wikipedia by searching for it with "WP:" (or "Wikipedia:" - it's the same thing) on the front of it. ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- (For future reference: Captain Kathryn is fine but I prefer Captain Janeway,No offence) Hi thanks for replying.
- i will look at Wikipedia:Signatures thank you for the advice. If you want to stay in contact with me just write to me over my talk page! Yours sincerely Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
How do can I get these links refilled
I tried to get two links for this article Draft:Magazine féminin refilled as these are book articles. What am I doing wrong? Dwanyewest (talk) 13:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am currently looking at your Draft, but I don’t see any links refilled as books. Can you be more specific? Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Refill doesn't work well on Google Books links since the URL is to a Google page, not the underlying page for the book. I've expanded one reference using the isbn but kept your Google book link. You can look at the draft now to see what I did. You also need to use a named reference, since current references 1 and 3 are to the same book. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Question about user
Who is user @80.1.188.122? Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's an IP, no one is going to connect it to any account. PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- CKJ - who kept changing signature - is indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Password question
Hi, could I use the same strong password for the user login to create new user? Should I do it? Or no? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Normally if you have an account with that password Wikipedia will not accept it due to the message box saying This password is Already in use. Please use another., or something similar. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- The in italic is the message. Captain Kathryn Janeway (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, thanks. I’ll think of passwords I’ll use. Anyways does my Wikipedia password always not be common and must be strong with at least 15 characters strong and with numbers, uppercase letters, lowercase letters, symbols, and other characters, and I should avoid personal information? Do I always have to comply with [betawiki.net/wiki/Special:PasswordPolicies this]?100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- The password requirements are outlined here. As far as I know, there's nothing preventing you from using the same password for multiple accounts, but there are many restrictions against operating multiple accounts on Wikipedia, and using the same password in multiple places is less secure than using unique passwords. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, thanks. I’ll think of passwords I’ll use. Anyways does my Wikipedia password always not be common and must be strong with at least 15 characters strong and with numbers, uppercase letters, lowercase letters, symbols, and other characters, and I should avoid personal information? Do I always have to comply with [betawiki.net/wiki/Special:PasswordPolicies this]?100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- �Never write your passwords down, put your password in your spreadsheets, or writing on your phone.�
- Does my password could be stored in cloud, like Samsung Cloud, iCloud, Dropbox, or Google Drive if I broke this password policy? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia can't detect where you've stored your password; use the most secure method available to you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Does my password could be stored in cloud, like Samsung Cloud, iCloud, Dropbox, or Google Drive if I broke this password policy? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
“Never let any of your browsers save your Wikipedia password.�
Is it a good idea? 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'd recommend asking detailed questions about account security on the talk page. The Teahouse is for helping newcomers navigate using Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Which help page is right me for discussing about this topic? Please remind me! :) 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You can discuss the rules about account security on Wikipedia on this page. Off-topic questions about account security in general won't be answered there - you might try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing for that. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thanks! 100.11.127.115 (talk) 15:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You can discuss the rules about account security on Wikipedia on this page. Off-topic questions about account security in general won't be answered there - you might try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing for that. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Which help page is right me for discussing about this topic? Please remind me! :) 100.11.127.115 (talk) 14:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
General question
Are wiki users allowed to chat with each other about nothing in particular(No offence, but I’m rusty on the guidelines)? First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 14:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701, conversations on Wikipedia should be about improving Wikipedia. If you want to chat on tangentially related topics, you can try WP:DISCORD or WP:IRC, but even there, off-topic chatter is kept to a minimum. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with what 199.208.172.35 said. Whilst it is important to stay on-topic, there are occasional times when a tangential discussion can arise whilst engaging in Wikipedia activity. These are OK so long as they're within reason and part of broader work towards improving the encyclopaedia.
- Thus, when I interact with a keen user I am mentoring under the Adoption scheme, there will be times I stray into general chat about shared experiences. But if you were 'out-of-the-blue' suddenly to drop by someone's talk page and ask about what they thought of, say The Boys on Amazon Prime (because you'd happen to seen that they had edited that page and wanted to talk about the series), then you'd swiftly be told that this kind of conversation wasn't appropriate here. Hope that makes sense.
- BTW: It is very confusing if your signature name does not match your username. It would help if you would fix that. Please also read WP:NOTHERE because I sense you are here to mess about, rather than to build an encyclopaedia. If that is the case, I'm afraid you won't last long and could find yourself blocked. So stick to the purposes of adding to the encyclopaedia, please, and you'll get along fine. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701 Fixing failed ping. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean by that? First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- With all due respect,Which failed ping are you fixing First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701, Nick Moyes was fixing their own failed ping - as in, they meant to ping you when replying, but forgot to do it, so pinged you instead in a follow-up post. See WP:PING for more info. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah sorry Nick Moyes First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701, Nick Moyes was fixing their own failed ping - as in, they meant to ping you when replying, but forgot to do it, so pinged you instead in a follow-up post. See WP:PING for more info. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- With all due respect,Which failed ping are you fixing First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean by that? First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 15:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @U.S.S.VOYAGERNCC-1701 Fixing failed ping. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
User is indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 20:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think this was inevitable. We try to assume good faith here, but behind the scenes it's often pretty obvious when someone is not who they purport to be and are avoiding an earlier block. These things tend to become apparent sooner or later. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Making projects
This question is not just for me but also for other new/old(rusty(No offence)) Wiki users
Can you create your own project? First Officer Commander Chakotay (talk) 14:58, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes see Wikipedia:WikiProject. Theroadislong (talk) 15:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- User is indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 20:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
i Can't See Move Option Because It Blocked
i Wrote A post About Sri Lankan Film Maker Indika Wicramarachchi in my Sanbox Page but i can't Find More option to Move my post Because It Blocked What I can Do For This ? this is my post link User:Wicsakiwdss/sandbox Wicsakiwdss (talk) 15:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You cannot move it, as you are a new user and it needs to go through WP:AFC. PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wicsakiwdss You were already told here at the Teahouse that such an article is never going to be acceptable for Wikipedia since it is a biography of a living person yet it has no sources. All Wikipedia articles must have sources and there are strict rules for biographies in particular. You uploaded a picture of Wicramarachchi which you stated was your own work (i.e. taken with your own camera). If you know this person, please read WP:COI. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please understand, Wicksakiwdss, that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Your current draft has not a single citation to a published source, let alone an independent one. ColinFine (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Is it orphaned now
Check whether it is orphan now Lurinjyoti Gogoi I have moved the page to another name to link with other page . the new name is often used by other pages Baruahranuj 16:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- And Praxidicae has concluded that Gogoi does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and has turned the page into a redirect to Assam Jatiya Parishad, which seems a good call to me. ColinFine (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not entirely sure AJP is notable either. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Offering Greetings to so-called scholarly administrators/experienced editors like you, I stopped writing articles on Wikipedia. I will come back when I get back to a healthy writing environment on Wikipedia. Suppose I agree that Lurin Jyoti Gogoi's article does not follow notability , but you said that I doubt whether the article AJP follows criteria of notability. If such rules are enforced , about 50% of articles related to Assam will probably disappear from Wikipedia. Consider the matter.Anyway , you keep doing your job. But I didn't get a healthy writing environment on English Wikipedia. Don't think I'm saying this because the draft was cancelled. That's not the case. I didn't even find a way to correct the mistake here. Baruahranuj 18:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Baruah Ranuj. I'm sorry you feel that way. You're not alone: many new editors get frustrated and unhappy with their experience. In my experience, they are often people who rush into trying to create new articles before they have taken the time to learn how Wikipedia works. It's a bit like somebody starting to learn the violin, and trying to perform a concerto after a few days, and then feeling hurt and upset because the critics are uncomplementary.
- I'm sure that Assam is underrepresented in English Wikipedia, as are many other regions round the world. It's great that you want to improve that; but we will not lower our standards to increase coverage. I notice that you have not yet put the template {{User WP Assam}} on your User page, which would add you to Category:WikiProject Assam members. ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Offering Greetings to so-called scholarly administrators/experienced editors like you, I stopped writing articles on Wikipedia. I will come back when I get back to a healthy writing environment on Wikipedia. Suppose I agree that Lurin Jyoti Gogoi's article does not follow notability , but you said that I doubt whether the article AJP follows criteria of notability. If such rules are enforced , about 50% of articles related to Assam will probably disappear from Wikipedia. Consider the matter.Anyway , you keep doing your job. But I didn't get a healthy writing environment on English Wikipedia. Don't think I'm saying this because the draft was cancelled. That's not the case. I didn't even find a way to correct the mistake here. Baruahranuj 18:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not entirely sure AJP is notable either. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
starting new page
Hello. I have created a sandbox edit of what I hope will be a wikipedia page for the Grand Lodge of Oregon. The Grand Lodge of Oregon has no entries in Wikipedia. I tried previously and didn't do all that well. Trying again.
What is the next steps to get what I have in sandbox to wikipedia? thank you. jje JohnnyJEdwards (talk) 16:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello JohnnyJEdwards, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a header to your sandbox, so that you can submit it for review when it is ready (which it is nowhere near yet). It looks as if you have made the classic beginner's mistake of writing what you know. With respect, Wikipedia isn't interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the Internet knows). Wikipedia is only interested in what is found in reliable published sources, and writing an article - any article - begins with finding such sources, and then goes on to summarise what these sources say. Please have a look at your first article, and particularly at WP:NORG. ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- JohnnyJEdwards You might want to look at the page WP:FM, which among other things lists all Freemason-related articles, with ratings. You might like to model your draft on one of the higher-rated ones. All the ones on Grand Lodges can also be found in Category:Grand Lodges. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, JohnnyJEdwards. Please read WP:BRANCH which says
As a general rule, the individual chapters of national and international organizations are usually not considered notable enough to warrant a separate article – unless they are substantially discussed by reliable independent sources that extend beyond the chapter's local area.
I searched for sources about the Grand Lodge of Oregon but did not find anything independent of that Masonic group. Books they publish about themselves are not acceptable for establishing notabiliy. So, exceptions to that rule need high quality independent sourcing. Cullen328 (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)- I note that you have recently created in Mainspace the article Grand lodge of oregon. That's a really bad idea given what Cullen328 said: the article in its current state goes nowhere near establishing notability. It is likely to be removed by the New Pages Patrol. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- What I do not understand is many other organizations of Grand Lodges in America have a wikipedia page. I have all the sources known to exist as the person in charge of our museum and history. How do I make this notable like other pages? JohnnyJEdwards (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- JohnnyJEdwards, Colin, Michael and Cullen have all given you tools to be successful at writing an article and adhering to Wikipedia policy in the process. You have already been told that what you personally know about this organization, no matter how accurate it may be, is not acceptable for verification of notability in order to create an article here. I mean this with the upmost respect for you and your personal knowledge but that is what Wikipedia calls orginal research. Only high quality independent reliable sources, meaning having no association with the organization, may be used to determine notability. --ARoseWolf 18:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Some of those other articles may be about lodges which happen to have been written about by independent sources, and so meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Others of them have probably been around a long time, before we enforced our standards, and would have been deleted if anybody had looked critically at them. See OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
- As for "How do I make this notable" - the only way is by finding suitable independent sources. See WP:AMOUNT.
- Please note as well that as librarian and museum archivist for the Lodge, you have a sizeable conflict of interest, and may also count as a Paid editor: if you do, declaration of that status is mandatory. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- What I do not understand is many other organizations of Grand Lodges in America have a wikipedia page. I have all the sources known to exist as the person in charge of our museum and history. How do I make this notable like other pages? JohnnyJEdwards (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- I note that you have recently created in Mainspace the article Grand lodge of oregon. That's a really bad idea given what Cullen328 said: the article in its current state goes nowhere near establishing notability. It is likely to be removed by the New Pages Patrol. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, JohnnyJEdwards. Please read WP:BRANCH which says
Help with page tittled Sam Ankrah
Dear all, I recently created an article about a development economist, Sam Ankrah and submitted but unfortunately it was rejected as it was not fit for wiki as at then. I have reshaped it and submitted for further review with link attached (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sam_Ankrah). Someone kindly assist to review it and see if its ok to feature on wikipedia now. Will appreciate any further suggestions to make it better. Thanks in advance Pagefour (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- FYI - Draft:Sam Ankrah was Declined, not Rejected (more severe). You have added content and resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- In my opinion, non-notable awards and speaking at a conference do not establish notability. WP:TOOSOON may apply here. David notMD (talk) 07:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Can one donate to wikipedia via crypto?
I want to donate to wikipedia. The problem is that I don't have any dollars. What I DO have, however, is, among things, bitcoin. How, if at all, can I donate to wikipedia some? 89.139.154.144 (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- There are lots of ways to donate but crypto is not one of them. You would need to convert your bitcoin into dollars first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP editor. Please read this article: 'Extremely risky’ and ‘inherently predatory': Wikipedia organization decides to stop accepting crypto donations. Just convert your cryptocurrency to hard currency and make your donation. Many major currencies are accepted. Cullen328 (talk) 17:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- See also Meta:Requests for comment/Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations for the discussion that lead to the removal of cryptocurrency donations. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 23:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Sanctions
I was recently given a talk page message on discretionary sanctions (link). I have never gotten this message before, am I in trouble? Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dinoz1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. No, you are not necessarily in trouble. As the message states, "This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date." 331dot (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh. Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Dinoz1. You commented on your talk page that you "feel scared this is kind of like a block". It is not anything like a block or a sanction. It is just a standard notice to inform you that extra care is required when editing biographies of living people. Cullen328 (talk) 18:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oh. Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Unable to move a draft from my Work in Progress page to Draft Space
Hello, I have just finished submitting a draft entitled Ken Williams(songwriter) for review and as part of this process, I am required to move it to Draft Space. Howwver, when I do, I get the following message: The page could not be moved, for the following reason: The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask for the page to be moved. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text.
What should I do? Andymcteddybear (talk) 18:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Andymcteddybear Hello. Who said you have to move it to Draft space? You submitted it for review and it is pending. There is a blank draft at Draft:Ken Williams (songwriter); did you have any knowledge of that? You could communicate with the creator of that blank draft to see if collaboration is possible. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello,
- After submitting the draft for review, a new button labelled "Move to Draft" came up. I thought I had to move the article to Draft Space to enable the reviewer to see it. Obviously this is not the case.
- I have been checking almost every hour since last week ensure no one was working on an article similar to the one I was working on. The last time I checked was today at 18.50. I will contact the creater of the blank draft to see whether ww can collaborate. Many thanks. Andymcteddybear (talk) 19:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
my username
Wikipedia spelled it wrong when I submitted it; correctly spelled it is ALL lower case like this "ever.thus" Wikipedia made the first letter a capital "E" that is wrong there are no capital letters in my username how do I fix this spelling error? Ever.thus (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- You can't. All usernames (and page titles) start with uppercase letters due to technical limitations. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Ever.thus hello, welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately it is a technical limitation of Wikipedia that all usernames must start with an uppercase letter, so it's not possible to change it. >>>Â Ingenuity.talk(); 20:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- That said, you can edit your signature in preferences to have it display in lowercase, and add
{{lowercase title}}
to your user and user talk page to force those to display in lowercase. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)- The "Signature" field is at Special:Preferences. Don't make a checkmark at "Treat the above as wiki markup" if you just want the signature to say ever.thus instead of Ever.thus. Your user and talk pages are User:Ever.thus and User talk:Ever.thus. They don't currently exist but you can create them with the "Publish page" button. You can type ever.thus when you log in but your real username cannot start with a lowercase letter. Your signature and user pages are the only places you can change the display. Your post said "ever. thus" with a space (the space was removed after this post). Spaces are allowed in usernames. You didn't enter a space when you created the account. See Wikipedia:Changing username if you want a space. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:59, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- That said, you can edit your signature in preferences to have it display in lowercase, and add
considering the kind help I received as a true novice on Wikipedia, my most intelligent action (imho) is to capitalize BOTH Ever and Thus; the help I need now is how do I change my username to: "Ever.Thus" with NO space after the period? Thank you for your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ever.thus (talk • contribs)
- @Ever.thus: See Wikipedia:Changing username. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Why was I blocked?
Hi,
I was wondering why I was blocked from editing from my T-Mobile address. I'm using my computer now, and made an account to see if I was blocked here too--I wasn't. I accidentally pressed edit. I actually have no intention of editing anything and will probably cancel my account; I was just wondering why I wouldn't be able to edit if I wanted to. I thought it was strange, because before today, I never had a Wikipedia account and never edited anything in my life. What's the deal? Jecdymphna9 (talk) 21:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jecdymphna9: Some IP addresses are blocked because they have been used to disrupt Wikipedia, and T-Mobile happened to assign you one of those addresses. If you know what the IP address is, I can investigate. On the other hand, we get a lot of disruption from mobile addresses, so I'm not particularly surprised you've had this experience. It has happened to me also on my phone (I use the Wikipedia app but I don't log in from it).
- If you get a reputation for being an experienced and trusted editor, you can ask for an IP block exemption so that you can edit while logged in even if you're on a blocked IP address, but that user right isn't granted to new editors. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:35, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is relevant. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jecdymphna9 See Wikipedia:Advice to T-Mobile IPv6 users. T-Mobile mixes all its mobile internet traffic together then sends it through the same server. This means it is basically impossible for wikipedia admins to just block vandals using T-Mobile connections without also blocking everyone else on their network. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 22:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Edit warring on a draft article
I have an editor who is editing a draft article that I created, deleting my sources for notablity, and using WP:BLP as a cover. Neither are the case. My understanding is that Drafts are supposed to be a place where you can edit an article without edit warring. Can i get a clarification on the rules? 666hopedieslast (talk) 23:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Alina Lipp. 331dot (talk) 23:09, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- 666hopedieslast WP:BLP applies to all pages. Your claims must be well sourced. Removing BLP violations is an exception to the edit warring policy. I suggest that you stop and discuss your concerns. 331dot (talk) 23:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @666hopedieslast WP:BLP applies to all pages on wikipedia, this is clearly spelled out in the very first sentence of that policy. Removing BLP violations is also exempt from edit warring restrictions, per WP:3RRNO point 7. When someone removes content from a page due to BLP issues raising legitamate concernas about the quality of sources used then you go to the talk page and discuss the issue. Repeatedly baselessly accusing other editors of bad faith [4] and calling them a bully/harrasser [5] [6] [7] is not a remotely appropriate way of dealing with this and is just going to result in you being blocked. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 23:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Userbox
How do I add one? Brian1226 (talk) 00:40, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Userboxes — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 01:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Create a page.
Hi I would like to create a page of information for my late father and myself. JohnneWAI (talk) 04:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @JohnneWAI: Welcome to the Teahouse. Newcomers are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves, as the resultant articles are virtually always done poorly. It's also not a memorial. You would be better served creating a website or going on social media. —Tenryuu � ( 💬 • � ) 05:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Also WP:NOTMEMORIAL may be applicable.
- However, if you really believe you and your father meet the inclusion criteria (see Wikipedia:Golden rule for an overview) then go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and follow the instructions. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @JohnneWAI Also, an article is generally about one subject, not two. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:13, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Way to see how many pages in Category
Is there an way to see how many pages are in a parent category and all of its subcategories? Slywriter (talk) 05:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Slywriter I think you can do this using the "what links here" menu option, then use the "External Tools / Linkcount" option. So, for Category:Carboxylic acids the page itself says it has 20 subcategories and 389 individual pages in the category. Using the Linkcount tool says there are 409 direct links, which seems correct. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Loc0 (Streaming App)
Hey All,
I recently joined the wiki and while hopping over wiki i stumbled upon this page: Draft:Loco (live streaming app)
I am confident that This is a subject worthy of Wikipedia Article.
However My lack of experience is allowing me to write it in a neutral way. I need assistance and guidance here... PDWrites (talk) 07:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- PDWrites When you feel that the draft is sufficiently improved, submit it to AfC again rather than moving it to main space without a review (as you did on 12 July). I do see that on your Talk page you declared that you are not paid nor have a conflict-of-interest, but do not delete the template, as that applies to the original draft creator and at least one of the subsequent editors. David notMD (talk) 08:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
How do I use ref name
So on the tube page which I added some references to it has two of the same references in Different places which are both needed and they both have different numbers but on the michiya haruhata page and I assume a lot if other ones two of the same references used in different places have the same number listed and I would like to know how I can do that so I. Can apply it to the tube page and many other pages thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 08:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Goldsoldier75- please see Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations for the basic explanation, and the paragraphs below that for more complex options - Arjayay (talk) 08:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you're editing with Viusual Editor, you can click the 'Cite' button and look for the 'Reuse' tab. Then jus scroll down to select the one you want to use again. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Review Draft
Hello Wikipedia member, please review once Draft:Indian Predator and need to improve article so please add tags for improvement. Thank You. MereBabuji (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi MereBabuji - I am not an AFC reviewer anymore, but I looked over your article and made some changes to the grammar. I hope that helps. You have some good sources in the article. You may want to find a better source for the cast list. Since IMDb is user-generated content (like Wikipedia), it usually isn't the best reference to use in a WP article. See WP:IMDB and WP:Citing IMDb for more information. Don't forget to submit your draft for review when you are ready. Good luck to you. Larry Hockett (Talk) 14:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- MereBabuji Most of your references are bare URL which citation bot can't tidy up (I tried). You need to convert them to full citations, probably using {{cite news}}, giving credit to the authors of the newspaper articles and their publication dates etc. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:23, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Need Feedback
 Courtesy link: User:Dootie7/sandbox
I am just getting started on this page and it really did not help for you to reject it. That is just not helpful. I submitted the page for review and suggestions. I know nothing about your formatting and using these templates. It would have been much more helpful for you to guide me in the right direction for perfecting the page. Your reference formatting is strange to me from what I see on other Wikipedia pages and is not commonly used. I need guidance in this. Please take a look. While you indicated that I had no references, I in fact listed them as publications with some hyperlinked. I have now changed it to references, but I think I have to hyperlink "References"Â ?? Thanks for your constructive and positive feedback. Dootie7 (talk) 14:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dootie7: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Your first article for more information. We strongly suggest newcomers work on existing articles instead of creating a new one, as that is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. Please also see Easy referencing for beginners, as articles must have in-line citations. —Tenryuu � ( 💬 • � ) 14:29, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed, a Wikipedia article should not only have in-line citations, it should be based on them. I see that User:Dootie7/sandbox links to two obituaries in very reliable newspapers. I suggest, Dootie7, that you scrap what you have written, find another good source or two, and rewrite your proposed article basing it entirely on what your sources say, citing them as you go. If you want other editors to help you, you could move it to draft space (or ask for someone here to do it for you), where they'll feel free to edit it. Maproom (talk) 14:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I concur with this excellent advice, I moved it to draft and removed some of the weird formatting but it really needs WP:TNT and starting again referring only to the reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 14:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. Dootie7 (talk) 16:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I will be adding other categories. Please let me know how to add them. I will be adding the following categories to discuss highlights of the theoretical notions from Haskins' work, writings and educational policy implementation. The reason he was featured in the Washingron Post and New York Times is because he was a well-known practitioner, scholar and professor and worked on nearly every level of society local, state and national levels and at all levels of education and in communities. We are publishing a book on his work and contributions and did not want to include this on Wikipedia. However, I can add a brief synopsis of some of his concepts and research findings.
- Please let me know how to add additional sections and thank you for editing the draft and adding those. The additional categories to be added include: Concept of Education; On the Art of Teaching and the Role of Teachers; The Learner and Learning; and The Importance of the School-Community Linkage. Thanks again. Dootie7 (talk) 18:37, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. Please see my recent reply to Theroadislong (talk). I am looking at Derrick Bell on Wikipedia. He is one of our professors as well. I am trying to do the same for Kenneth W. Haskins. I will try to follow this model since it was accepted. Thanks again. Dootie7 (talk) 16:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I concur with this excellent advice, I moved it to draft and removed some of the weird formatting but it really needs WP:TNT and starting again referring only to the reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 14:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- [Edit Conflicts] Please note, Dootie7, that your draft has not been Rejected, it has merely been Declined – the difference is important.
- "Rejected" would mean roughly "this subject has no obvious chance of being eligible for a Wikipedia article any time soon. It's not worth your spending any more time and effort on it." The problem would be inherent to the subject, not a fault with the draft itself.
- "Declined", however, means roughly "this subject is (probably) eligible for an article, but the draft has not yet succeeded in demonstrating this acceptably, and/or has other obvious, but correctable, defects. Try to improve it in the following areas, and when you have resubmit it." There is no rush; Wikipedia has no deadlines.
- From the comments experienced reviewer Theroadislong has made, your main problems seem to be identifying acceptable Reliable sources, and learning how to Cite them in the text. Please read those links, as well as the several that Theroadislong provided precisely in order to "guide you in the right direction for perfecting the page." (Though no Wikipedia article is ever perfect, or completed.)
- Remember that what the subject has published, or what friends, colleagues and employing organisations have said/written about him, may or may not be worth including in the article, but is of no value in establishing his "Notability" in the sense Wikipedia employs the term. Only what disinterested observers have had published in well-edited reliable sources can do that, and such material, summarised and reworded, should be the basis of most of the text: see particularly Wikipedia:Notability (academics). I hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.169.177 (talk) 15:13, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments. All references included in the article are reliable and documented sources from peer reviewed journals. The problem is that we in academia write very differently from what you include in Wikipedia. You can clearly see that all the sources listed under references are reliable sources. As for parenthetical inclusion, I can go back and do that. I am not writing an article, I am highlighting the accomplishments of a distinguished educator. I see another of our professors listed in Wikipedia here: Derrick Bell. This is not an article either, but a bio written posthumously. I am trying to do the same with recognizing Ken Haskins. Should I follow this format that was used for Derrick Bell? I am a distinguished professor trying to understand your template and your system. Will continue to work on this. Thanks for your response. Dootie7 (talk) 16:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dootie7: Looking over your draft, you seem to be a bit confused about the purpose of Wikipedia. The purpose isn't to write profiles of people. It isn't a place to host a CV. And it certainly isn't for memorializing a subject. We have articles about topics that are relevant to an encyclopedia for the purpose of documenting and advancing human knowledge, and those topics must meet certain basic criteria for inclusion, namely significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the topic. All three of those criteria must be met simultaneously by multiple sources, to establish notability. See Wikipedia:Golden rule for a brief overview explaining this.
- The sources in your draft are primarily written by Haskins, therefore they are not independent, and do nothing whatsoever to establish notability of the subject. All they do is verify existence, but merely existing isn't a qualification for having an article. Other sources appear to be university newspapers, which aren't generally regarded as reliable, and are also not independent if Haskins is affiliated with the same university.
- Obituaries in the New York Times and Washington Post are excellent sources, and much as I disagree that a person is automatically notable if that's the only significant coverage he has had (if he didn't meet Wikipedia's notability criteria while alive, he shouldn't suddenly become notable for two national newpapers reporting on his death), they are nevertheless sufficient for meeting notability requirements. We also have additional notability guidelines WP:NPROF, and if Haskins met any of those, then they should be included an expanded on. The rest of the sources, however, can be removed.
- Also note that usually other articles on Wikipedia are not a good gauge for guidance, although Derrick Bell does happen to be a decent example to follow. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Dootie7. It would be useful for you to read Wikipedia:Expert editors. As for Derrick Bell, that is a fairly well written and well referenced encyclopedia article. with 47 inline references. At this point, your draft is nowhere near close, because vast swathes are unreferenced. You do not have a single inline reference. How is the reader supposed to know that all that information is accurate? Verifiability is a core content policy. Please read the notability guideline for academics. Cullen328 (talk) 16:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments. All references included in the article are reliable and documented sources from peer reviewed journals. The problem is that we in academia write very differently from what you include in Wikipedia. You can clearly see that all the sources listed under references are reliable sources. As for parenthetical inclusion, I can go back and do that. I am not writing an article, I am highlighting the accomplishments of a distinguished educator. I see another of our professors listed in Wikipedia here: Derrick Bell. This is not an article either, but a bio written posthumously. I am trying to do the same with recognizing Ken Haskins. Should I follow this format that was used for Derrick Bell? I am a distinguished professor trying to understand your template and your system. Will continue to work on this. Thanks for your response. Dootie7 (talk) 16:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Removing Dropdown Menu Changing Page Type
I'm uncertain if this is a new basic function or if it's a javascript page, but I currently have a dropdown next to my search bar that I can change between Article, Article talk, wikipedia, wikipedia talk, etc. This frequently makes it so if I do a search and I'm trying to type Template: Infobox Ship for example, I end up on a page with nothing because that bar is set to "article:". If this is a new feature, does anyone know how to turn this off? If it's Javascript, can anyone remind me how I can edit that? It's been a long time. Thanks!  Ryan Vesey 15:53, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is resolved. I did determine that it was javascript at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/SearchNamespace.js. Ryan Vesey 18:37, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Delete table rows
A table in [8] has two redundant and incorrect rows:
| August 4, 1961 ||Trump Donald ||New York||New York||(45th) January 20, 2017 – January 20, 2021
| August 4, 1961 ||Biden Joe ||Scranton||Pennsylvania||(46th) January 20, 2021 – Present
I would like to delete the rows but cannot find how to do it properly. Â Please tell me how to do it. Â Thanks. Hunzu (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Hunzu: I've removed the rows with this edit. It looks as though the IP who added them (yesterday) self-reverted, but someone came along and mistakenly undid their reversion. Deor (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Moving a page
Hi, I am in need of help on how to move pages as I don't think I have access to do something like this just yet. Unitedwriter (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse Unitedwriter, I'm assuming you want to publish Draft:Marta Alemany to the mainspace. I've added a submission box at the top of the article, press it and a reviewer will look at it and decide to accept the draft or give additional feedback. Please note that the draft is unlikely to be published at its current state due to a lack of references, please see our notability guidelines, for an article to be published, it generally needs multiple independent reliable sources providing significant coverage. Justiyaya 17:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Article name already in use as redirect
Hello, I want to add an article Elisabeth of Hesse-Marburg, but this article name already is in use as a redirect to the article about her husband John V, Count of Nassau-Siegen.
Is it allowed to simply delete the redirect? Or should someone delete the page first before I can add the article?
Thanks in advance for your reply. Regards, Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Roelof Hendrickx, thanks for posting a message at the Teahouse. We had an article on the Elisabeth of Hesse-Marburg. In 2018, Aciram redirected it to what it currently is targeted to. Perhaps a discussion about should the article be re-created now? What sources do you have about the subject? Believe most of the concern previously was a lack of verifiable information. Justiyaya 17:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Is it appropriate and corresponding to Wikipedia's value to conduct such a mass disappearance of knowledge in such a short space of time?
Is it appropriate and corresponding to Wikipedia's value to conduct such a mass disappearance of knowledge using just a mere mention of a policy's name?
I am referring to Diff I, Diff II, just to list a few here.
In contrast, I am impressed by Jimbo's recent edit. Look, he immediately started a 1,210-length thread on the talk page after he disappeared 908-length article's content.
American value (talk) 17:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you read the edit summaries, you will see that those edits are backed by policy, specifically WP:OR for Horse Eye's Back edit and WP:RS for Jimbo Wales's edit. Polyamorph (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- To me, Horse's mass disappearce is an example of WP:JUSTALINK:"such actions may sometimes be confusing to the readers, especially when linking to large and complex pages. It may be unclear which of the many points in that page one intends to refer to. Such behavior may also be interpreted as equivalent of saying "talk to the hand", i.e. uncivil.". If it is acceptable, then the burden to demonstrate the legitimacy of deletion will lie with the editors who uphold Wikipedia's fundamental guiding principle "In making decisions, we will not allow censorship of the projects as a means to facilitate other strategic goals: to the contrary, our strategic goal is to preserve and make available the material in the projects in perpetuity, and other initiatives must be consistent with that mission." but WP:POLCON: "If policy and/or guideline pages directly conflict, one or more pages need to be revised to resolve the conflict so all the conflicting pages accurately reflect the community's actual practices and best advice. As a temporary measure during that resolution process, if a guideline appears to conflict with a policy, editors may assume the policy takes precedence." So, I stand with Wikimedia's very founding principle. --American value (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Anachronist explained it better below. As Horse Eye's Back explains, the removal is also fully justified by WP:Sock. Polyamorph (talk) 18:31, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- To me, Horse's mass disappearce is an example of WP:JUSTALINK:"such actions may sometimes be confusing to the readers, especially when linking to large and complex pages. It may be unclear which of the many points in that page one intends to refer to. Such behavior may also be interpreted as equivalent of saying "talk to the hand", i.e. uncivil.". If it is acceptable, then the burden to demonstrate the legitimacy of deletion will lie with the editors who uphold Wikipedia's fundamental guiding principle "In making decisions, we will not allow censorship of the projects as a means to facilitate other strategic goals: to the contrary, our strategic goal is to preserve and make available the material in the projects in perpetuity, and other initiatives must be consistent with that mission." but WP:POLCON: "If policy and/or guideline pages directly conflict, one or more pages need to be revised to resolve the conflict so all the conflicting pages accurately reflect the community's actual practices and best advice. As a temporary measure during that resolution process, if a guideline appears to conflict with a policy, editors may assume the policy takes precedence." So, I stand with Wikimedia's very founding principle. --American value (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I will also note that the removal could have been justified by Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry as well given that it was all the creation of socks of the banned User:It's gonna be awesome. I'm sure thats just a coincidence, right @American value:? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- American value you have yet to make any contribution to mainspace - seems a bit early for you to be getting involved in content disputes. Have you edited wikipedia previously? Polyamorph (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to make any contribution to mainspace but was denied by some mysterious filters. I don't know why. But, for now, I think we should focus on discussing if Horse's mass disappearance is justifiable because that's the reason why I am here to survey the opinions of Wikipedians. -- American value (talk) 18:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Of the diffs you linked, the first one is a shortening of the lead. The lead should simply summarize what is in the rest of the article, and should not include extra details that don't exist in the article body, so the removal was justified; see WP:LEAD. The second diff cites WP:SYNTH and WP:OR violations, which are prohibited from being in articles. If you disagree with the reasoning after you read those policy links, take it up on the talk page, because the WP:BURDEN for inclusion is on the person who wants to add material, not on the one who removes it to comply with content guidelines and policies. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, they are fully justified. You can explain your difficulty editing here. Polyamorph (talk) 18:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to make any contribution to mainspace but was denied by some mysterious filters. I don't know why. But, for now, I think we should focus on discussing if Horse's mass disappearance is justifiable because that's the reason why I am here to survey the opinions of Wikipedians. -- American value (talk) 18:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- American value you have yet to make any contribution to mainspace - seems a bit early for you to be getting involved in content disputes. Have you edited wikipedia previously? Polyamorph (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- American value, the lead of an article should summarise the content of the rest of the article. My impression is that the disputed content therefore does not belong in the lead, and was rightly removed. Maproom (talk) 18:31, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I note that user "American value" is now indef blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah. They have filter hits, so I think they got whacked based off of those. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- I note that user "American value" is now indef blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Indentation Plastometry
The development of indentation-based techniques to obtain stress-strain curves (for metals) is an important area, which has been the subject of extensive work over the past couple of decades. The origins lie in hardness testing, which dates back over a century. However, hardness numbers are only semi-quantitative indicators of the resistance to plastic deformation and cannot be used for quantitative purposes. Indentation plastometry is a term now used to describe the obtaining of stress-strain curves from indentation data. This concept is part of an overall activity in which nanoindentation - ie instrumented, very fine scale indentation - forms a part. However, such fine scale indentation, while useful for obtaining information about local regions, cannot be used to obtain the bulk (macroscopic) properties. It is now clear that relatively large volumes must be deformed, although they can still be small enough to allow mapping over the surface of samples and the procedure is still much easier and more convenient than conventional (tensile) testing. There are also several different ways in which the stress-strain curve can be obtained from experimental indentation outcomes. In view of the benefits that will follow from development and full optimisation of a methodology of this type, it would be timely to have an article summarising the main points that are relevant to such procedures. I'd appreciate hearing whether it would be worthwhile for me to draft out a first stab at this. I'd envisage something relatively short, although there are certainly many references that could be cited. BillClyne (talk) 21:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, BillClyne! Please read through the essays and policies WP:Five pillars and WP:Verifiability to give yourself an idea of what Wikipedia needs in the way of WP:Reliable sources on which articles need to be based. (I expect soon someone will add a welcoming message with various other useful links to your Talk page, whose link in your signature will then turn blue.) You might also want to read Help:Your first article, not necessarily because you are about to start one yourself, but to give you an idea of the article-writing process.
- Once you grasp the outlines of what is required, come back here and give links to what you consider to be the three (or a few more, but not a dozen) best Reliable sources that the proposed article could be based on, and responders here will look at them and tell you what they think. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.169.177 (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello BillClyne. I see that you've been given some general advice about article creation. Given the specialist nature of your suggestion, you might be best to ask editors experienced in Engineering and Materials. You could post at one of the Project Talk Pages, namely WT:WikiProject_Engineering and/or WT:WikiProject_Materials. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
help me
i wont to unblock and reflect my account on google page . but I don't know how its possible for me can you help me to do this 115.242.219.54 (talk) 21:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- If your account is blocked, you need to request unblock when logged in to your account, on your user talk page. Wikipedia has no interest in any Google page you have. 331dot (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia in schools
Dear Wikipedia, how come you don’t really have that much of a good reputation when it comes to schooling and education, and research? From Maggie Kelsh. 2600:4040:278E:6000:BDCA:E056:4188:3D31 (talk) 23:15, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @2600:4040:278E:6000:BDCA:E056:4188:3D31: Without hearing the specific criticism, it's hard to say. You can discuss this subject at Talk:Criticism of Wikipedia. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:53, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Maggie. That's a very interesting question, and it really merits a detailed essay of a reply (but I won't force that on you!). I suspect you may have a very out-of-date schoolteacher or lecturer who has unfortunately given you their ideas from maybe 10 or 15 years ago which they've not yet shaken off. So, I'm sorry if you've been given the wrong idea about our huge project.
- In its early days, yes, Wikipedia was raw and nothing like as accurate as it is today. We now have innumerable policies required Reliable Sources to enable you or anyone to Verify what published sources say, and those sources include academic books and publications. We even have extra requirements for higher reference standards on articles on medical topics (see WP:MEDRS), and absolutely nothing contentious about living or recently deceased people can be put into articles without proper, accurate and reliable sources supporting those statements. (See WP:BLP for our policies on that).
- Quite a few studies were carried out some years ago (including one from 2012) which have shown that the number of errors in Wikipedia's 6.2 million English pages were equal to and often fewer than those that found their way into formal encyclopaedias written just by a panel of experts. (see List of academic studies about Wikipedia).
- Most vandalism here gets fixed very quickly, and troublesome editors or trolls are eventually blocked, though some clever and very rare hoaxes have indeed slipped through from time to time (see WP:HOAXLIST, but see also Piltdown Man!).
- Wikipedia now works with schools, universities and museums and art galleries to mobilise content, and Wikipedia editors are even employed within those museums in many parts of the world (see WP:GLAM for more details). In one example I personally know of, researchers at the Sanger Laboratories in Cambridge University have even shared their finding on all protein structures in the human genome so that the wider research community in poorer countries can have free access to data that they might not otherwise be able to reach.
- To be honest, I think that for the majority of people, Wikipedia really has become their 'go to' place to get information or to find further detailed references to delve deeper into subjects. For many people, students included, Wikipedia has become the start of their information journey on most important topics. But, because all our pages are user-generated, and simply summarise other properly published sources, we never assert that Wikipedia should be relied upon as the basis of doing writing coursework or essays. For this reason, Wikipedia, like any encyclopedia, is a great starting place for research but not always a great ending place. So always use the 'References' list at the bottom of every article to do your own research. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Schools and maybe even Wikipedia:School and university projects for our formal advice on that.
- Nowadays, even Google places Wikipedia content in its Knowledge Boxes in most search results, so there are even more 'eyes on' articles, and correction of mistakes, and filling-in of missing content than ever before. We have formal education programmes in place and many universities teach using Wikipedia and set editing challenges in collaboration with trained staff. Wikipedia itself is even the subject of many academic researchers. See Wikipedia:Research, Wikipedia:Researching Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Statistics for further information which I hope may help dispel your misunderstanding of Wikipedia, and any unfortunate view you might have been given.
- Of course, it would be lovely to hear from you why you feel the way you do, or any examples you have found of errors here. We know we still have gaps and mistakes, but all of us here are committed in our own way to making this encyclopedia even better. I hope you might consider joining us in that, so if you need help, just ask. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:00, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Are you perhaps referring to teachers not allowing citation to Wikipedia articles in research papers? You really shouldn't be citing ANY encyclopedia in most research papers, not just Wikipedia. What you should be using Wikipedia for is to identify what source Wikipedia uses for a statement and then find that original source and use it in your paper. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 03:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone have any ideas as to how to fix the abundance of articles such as 118th infantry regiment
So I’m trying to improve wiki project Japan mostly the music side or just Asian music but I notice when going through the wp:japan list of low importance stubs to find some music articles to edit that their were a lot of 118th infantry regiment Japan and the such others and I think if we could come up with a good way to reduce the number of these articles dramatically and be of great help (although I assume adding a list of them if one doesn’t already exist may be worth while) should I like make a lot of them portals to their father branch such as say (just an example I don’t believe it’s how their system actually works) 118th infantry regiment redirecting to just say 9th infantry battalion? thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 23:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- If the articles have references to reliable sources that devote significant coverage to the topics, they should be kept. Too many articles is not a problem. Cullen328 (talk) 23:31, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Goldsoldier75. Cullen328 (talk) 23:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Thank you I was more asking about articles who have close to just 1 lead paragraph and then a very short history of also one paragraph and cite maybe 1 source Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 23:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
As I believe it is best to spend some time setting up a fast way to knock out like 50 or more Japan articles and likely even more from abroad instead of just slowing weeding through them but I don’t want to delete them because there is a fair chance someone might look them up at some point, So currently I believe using a portal to their father brigade or whatever it may be and then just adding a list of all those regiments may work well, Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 23:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Say take this one 118th Division (Imperial Japanese Army) This division lasted under a year and had no real conflicts or engagements. Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 23:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Goldsoldier75, I suggest that you make your suggestion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Provide links to your examples (e.g. "118th Division (Imperial Japanese Army)"). People reading that talk page are likely to be better qualified to comment than people reading this one (on average). -- Hoary (talk) 00:00, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay thank you, and do you think my idea for a fix’s is at all plausible. Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 00:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not qualified to judge, Goldsoldier75; and I lack the time to find out. But some advice. There's no obvious urgency. Therefore, use the next couple of weeks to prepare yourself. Not should I like make a lot of them portals to their father branch such as say (just an example I don’t believe it’s how their system actually works) 118th infantry regiment redirecting to just say 9th infantry battalion (in which I think "should I" means "I should"), but instead find out how relevant systems actually worked. If you think that 118th Division (Imperial Japanese Army) (to continue with your example), should instead be a redirect to some other article, then find out which article, and lucidly and concisely provide your reasoning for that being the best choice. Come to think of it, you could post your suggestion to either Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Don't post it to both. However, you can use one project's talk page to alert readers there to the discussion that you've started on the other project's talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay thanks, I will follow this and make a plan for this “problem� and then I will submit it to wiki project military history. Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 01:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Help with references
So I’m working on a massive addition to the Michiya haruhata page as recently discovered the oricon jp and i am going make a list of all his charting albums and songs firstly should I do this or is this bad should I just listed how many charting singles and albums he has along with his highest and longest charting song and album which is better? and two if I go for the first option is there any effective to shorten the amount of references should I just reference to the home page for him and then people can just find the song or album they want to check because I believe it may take upwards of 25 references which feels like a lot. As all ways Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 00:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Goldsoldier75, if an assertion is worth adding, then a link to the specific source for that assertion is worth adding. And of course the reference should not be merely a "bare URL". You need author(s) (if specified), page title, website title, year/date of publication, date of access..... Articles that have had "massive additions" can easily have, and usually should have, hundreds of references. -- Hoary (talk) 00:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Goldsoldier75, Michiya Haruhata tells us for example: He is a Member of the Fender signature artist club and was added as the first Asian guitarist member, in fact he is one of few guitarists to receive multiple fender signature guitars of which he actually has three different signature guitars. Perhaps I'm unusual (others here may wish to chime in), but I have only the vaguest understanding of what that means. Before thinking of making any "massive addition", perhaps polish what's already there. -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks so I’ll go through my manual citations and try to make them better, and I did think while writing that part out that it was likely to informal and not clear enough or rather simple enough for non guitarists which I guess is kinda of the point of wiki, thanks for your input I will spend some time before I make my large addition to polish up the page and maybe read some stuff on formal bibliography writing (any thing you can recommend)? Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 01:18, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Also if I may be so bold can you please explain to me roughly what the problem with bare url citations is. Thanks Goldsoldier75 (talk) 01:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Goldsoldier75, thank you for asking. Please see Wikipedia:References dos and don'ts and the pages to which it links, and Wikipedia:Bare URLs. -- Hoary (talk) 01:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- There are good semi-automatic tools for adding citations/references, but often you have to add some info manually. See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Cladogram arrangement
I'm making a cladogram for Nasidytes, taken from the describing paper. In the paper's cladogram, the Petralca + crown group Gaviiformes clade has the latter placed above the former, but most cladograms I've seen put crown-groups at the bottom in cases like this. Should I swap their places, or keep the paper's arrangement? Swapping them would not affect the actual relationships portrayed. Zach Varmitech (talk) 01:20, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Zach Varmitech, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds is the best place to ask your question.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Following the usual arrangement seems better to me. It also has the incidental advantage of helping avoid a "breach of copyright" claim by the papers' authors. Maproom (talk) 08:03, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
My first time experimenting here it gave me a biography template for a baker woman. Does anybody know how I can access it?
The title says it all 184.58.146.65 (talk) 02:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately it does not. What gave you the template? Which template? In what sense did it give it to you, despite denying you access to it? Anyway, before starting a draft on a female baker (if that's what you hope to do), you'd be wise to get experience improving existing articles. -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- Is it possible you were logged in at the time? If you made any edits while logged in earlier, log back in and click "Contributions" (upper right on desktop version of website) and you'll see every change you published. That might help you retrace your steps. -- asilvering (talk) 03:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)