Armatura
Indef block as a standard admin action, with more info on their talk page. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 16:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Armatura
Armatura is the type of person to post about an Azeribaijani mailing list of more than 10 years ago on ruwiki and claim there are current enwiki editors still actively involved in offwiki coordination. It's completely unrelated to the AA2-topic area, but Armatura's article George Klein (physician) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was a copyvio that had to be cleaned up by Diannaa. (For the record, this edit was copyvio as well and is still up.) A user of more than 15 years experience should not need WP:COPYVIO explained to them. My conclusion? Competence is required. Nothing less than a topic-ban for AA2 and a final warning about the copyvio or an indef block as an admin action would be sufficient for him here. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Discussion concerning ArmaturaStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by ArmaturaThanks for opening this discussion, MJL. I will go one by one through the points you have raised.
Response to commentsMJL and Dennis Brown, thank you for your comments. Have you looked into the behaviour of the users I mentioned I had disputes with, did you see me having problems with users who do not abuse Wikipedia policies? Both Golden and Solavirum intentionally abused Wikipedia, by edit warring, by using multiple accounts, by owning the AA articles I share an interest in, by hostile treatment towards me from the moment I re-started editing in 2020 after a long hiatus. Not knowing exactly where / how to complain, how to deal with subthreshold tendentious editing, the Wikipedia policies well enough to stand up against wikilawyering - these were things that made me sometimes irritated, to the point of sounding unfriendly. My 15 years is being brought repetitively as an argument against me - please have a look at the unequal spread of my activity since registration, have a look at my other interactions and you will see why I am not the the “established user who bullies others right and left”. --Armatura (talk) 06:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by NableezyThe whole point of the aware template is to establish awareness. I think the user is clearly aware and the request for enforcement should be considered on its merits and not dismissed on the technicality that the template is on their user page and not their user talk page. I have not looked at and do not intend to look at those merits, but it shouldnt be ignored without examining the merits. nableezy - 03:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by SzmenderowieckiFirst, we are not a bureaucracy. Secondly, a cursory look at AE archives reveals that a report against the user was filed in January 2021 (withdrawn). Armatura additionally commented in WP:AA2-related AE reports in November 2021 and in June 2022. According to awareness rules, a user is aware if This comment does not endorse anyone's statements, it's just to make sure that the AE complaint is not dismissed on a technicality. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Armatura
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ZaniGiovanni
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Request concerning ZaniGiovanni
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Abrvagl (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:41, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- ZaniGiovanni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search DS alerts: in user talk history • in system log
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 20 June 2022 - Zani restores POV/nationalistic wording with the logic of 'wartime ethnic retribution', despite the fact that the cited source makes no mention of "because". Zani continues to push his point of view even after I pointed him that this is nearly the exact wording that got another user in AA2 topic banned recently [3]. WP:BATTLE,WP:TE
- 25 April 2022 - ZaniGiovanni adds the following sentence as part of his rewrite of a mosque article: "
Agdam was used by Azerbaijani forces to fire BM-21 Grad long-range missiles at the Armenian populace of Stepanakert
". This sentence is not only completely irrelevant to the article, but it again creates a logic of justification for the destruction of a whole city and a mosque. WP:BATTLE,WP:TE - 30 April 2022 - Zani reinstates a statement synthesized from a number of controversial sources and once again brings wartime retribution logic into an article. Zani says that the shelling of the city of Ganja, which resulted in over 130 casualties was "
in response to the Stepanakert shelling
". Even after I point out that the majority of reliable sources do not share same viewpoint and that Wikipedia isn't a basis for justifying war crimes, he accuses me of sealioning. - 22 June 2022 - Zani ignores common sense logic explained to him by the user Golden. He reinstates his own version without reaching a consensus on the talk page discussion and then rejects the opinion of a 3O invited by Golden not once, but twice. WP:IDHT
- 20 January 2022 - When asked by the user Nunuxxx to be more polite, Zani replies with "
Please stop asking me to do stuff, this is a last warning from me
". WP:CIVIL - 24 April 2022 - A user rewrote the Agdam Mosque article, removing some information and explaining why after another user asked. Zani then jumps into the middle of the conversation and makes a snarky comment towards the user: "
I see you appealed your topic-ban with promises to not be disruptive in any topic area, but there's already a problematic edit
", quickly turning a polite discussion into a battleground. WP:HARASS, WP:BATTLEGROUND - 26 May 2022 - Zani again enters another user discussion in an article he has never edited before and immediately starts bringing dirt on another user, by bringing up eight diffs from two years ago that have no relevance on the specific content dispute. WP:CIVIL, WP:HOUNDING
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 14 March 2021 A one-week block for personal attacks
- 29 November 2021 72-hour arbitration block from Uzundara article for edit warring
- 2 February 2022 Formally warned against edit warring with the expectation to be more diligent in pages covered by AA2 DS
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
- Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Based on his repeated behaviour and prior engagements with users, it would seem Zani is uninterested in cooperating with their fellow co-editors, especially in such a contentious topic area as AA2. He also frequently complains to admins about users he disagrees with in order to discredit and block them (here he misquotes a user in order to convince an admin that there was a personal attack, and here he brings a content dispute to an admin without first talking to the other user, trying to convince the admin that the user was edit warring). Zani's disruptive behaviour has been pointed out to him by several different users on numerous occasions (March 2021, March 2021, March 2021, January 2022, May 2022, May 2022, June 2022), yet he keeps continuing down the same path.
Reply 2
Here are a few more recent diffs:
- 20 June 2022 - Zani rephrases the article content to bring more weight to the Armenian version while casting doubt on the Azerbaijani version
- 3 July 2022 - Zani, who is not picky at all with the reliability of sources when it favours him (for example, he added 2 low-quality sources about a living person's biography, one of which is results from a search engine), now removes properly sourced material with appropriate attribution by falsely citing WP:UNDUE (which he does very often).
@Dennis Brown: ZaniGiovanni was only recently formally warned for the same problematic behaviour he continues to display today. At first glance, it may be easy to classify the diffs I've provided as content disputes, however, all of these "disputes" show the patterns of disruptive behaviour this user displays and so should be reviewed in more detail. For example, the first 3 diffs (20 June 2022, 30 April 2022, 25 April 2022) clearly shows patterns where the user tries to insert logic of wartime ethnic retribution and war crime justifications into Wikipedia, which is exactly what another admin (Future Perfect at Sunrise) at AE recently topic banned a similar editor in AA2 for. Closing the report with no action, despite all the evidence of tendentious editing, would set a dangerous precedent that this kind of editing goes without any consequences.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning ZaniGiovanni
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Statement by ZaniGiovanni
I'm not sure why I'm being reported all of a sudden, my recent interaction with this user was in Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza, where I explained how the source they wanted to keep is WP:UNDUE. Regardless, I'll address the diffs point by point;
- 1) It was in the article before you removed it. I made a single revert of you (the diff you present) after and explained my rationale on talk, as it's a direct quote paraphrased from the source, see Talk:Lachin#An_Armenian_sergeant. I don't have strong objections for removing it, in fact, I haven't made more than a single revert of you and I stop disengaging from the discussion. If you wanted to restore your edit, you should've done so instead of bringing my single diff here.
- 2) Irrelevant old diff and you didn't even confront me at the time, even though it's well sourced. If you had any objections, you should've done so instead of piling as many old diffs as possible and opening this insufficient report.
- 3) You're literally linking a talk comment, that's not a supporting evidence for whatever you're requesting, it's a standard reply. And you were reported for your own changes in 2020 Ganja missile attacks article already, and the commenting admin Rosguill clearly told me; "As far as the continued discussion regarding the Ganja strikes, you have no obligation to continue responding to Abrvagl's arguments; it appears that the stable status quo is your preferred version, so the ball is in Abrvagl's court to call for an RfC, since a third party has already weighed in and you're clearly not interested in taking it to DRN." I think this 3rd "diff" Abrvagl brought up against me raises huge WP:CIR issues of Abrvagl and his battleground mentality.
- 4) I don't "ignore" anything, I opened a discussion, made my arguments and stated my final opinion to the third party. Whatever happens after that I'm not going to revert. Are you just looking for my contributions and searching any discussion I'm involved in to add to your report? Because clearly you've never edited in that article and I don't see you commenting on talk either.
- 5) Go back even further, that's not enough.
- 6) I didn't "jump" into the discussion, I have that page wathclisted and edited a number of times in that article. And I did make valid points that I wanted to make. What are you trying to say with this old April diffs exactly? 2 (this including) are just discussion comments of mine, and legitimate ones at that.
- 7) You already brought up this in the previous AE case against you. I already explained to you what happened, I'll say again; You probably found that discussion on my talk page User_talk:ZaniGiovanni#Golden, so you should've seen just below that I, in good faith, also asked about it in the TeaHouse User_talk:ZaniGiovanni#Your_thread_has_been_archived ([4]) because it was still unclear to me whether discussing user conduct on article talk pages should always be prohibited. I'm certainly more careful about this now, and I make sure just for good measure to raise complex conduct issues on user pages instead or appropriate noticeboards. I already acknowledged this, and I took the criticism for this as seen by my previous explanation. But what does this have to do with you, and why are you bringing this up here for the second time?
Rosguill as the previous admin commenting on cases regarding Abrvagl and me, I'm asking you if I have to address anything else. I personally find this report subpar for whatever Abrvagl tries to achieve. I just noticed that in their "additional comments", Abrvagl goes as far as my registration month and links old comments from 2 users from March 2021, my block from 2021 again (I guess it wasn't enough linking once), a random part of article disagreement with another user that I solved already from January (same diff as their 5th point), MJL's comment on my talk (regarding the same 7th point), a Teahouse good faith answer to my question from an admin lol (what does this have to do in AE?), and last one his own comment. I'm so confused at the incompetence of this report. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dennis Brown I admit being snarky in some of the comments I addressed, because honestly, I was dumbfounded by a number of "diffs" against me. This isn't the first time this user tries to gish gallop me with as much stuff possible, with disregard to how old the diffs are, relevancy, accuracy, etc. They linked my March 2021 block (when I just registered) for the 2nd time for christ's sake, with comment; "Zani's disruptive behaviour has been pointed out to him by several different users on numerous occasions". It's just a standard block notice. If this isn't browbeating me with random inaccurately described stuff to embellish their report, I don't know what is. Unfortunately this is the reality of battleground topic area that AA2 is. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- El C can you please clarify that this is not a "sanction" but a warning you gave me back in February? There is a pretty big difference as far as I know, and shouldn't this user be more diligent given the insufficient report that they already posted and wrongly characterized a bunch of things, including ancient diffs when I just registered? See my comment above for examples. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- 1) Actually my edit was similar to the status quo version which was changed, see [5]. But I didn't make any edits after that, I didn't even make a single revert even though my change was modified. Why are you commenting this now, and where do you find these diffs that you weren't even part of? Why didn't you discuss this with me anywhere if you somehow saw this despite never editing in the article? Are you just going through my random contributions now because an admin noted that your added diffs were not sanctionable?
- 2) That's literally something that I opened up in my first comment here, see Talk:Imarat_cemetery#Reza. I already told you what I think and very clearly justified my edit. I don't plan discussing content with you here, if you still have objections, comment on article talk like a normal bloody process instead of dragging everything here.
- Dennis Brown That's was not a sanction btw like Abrvagl claimed here and added in the sanctions section, that's a warning from February by El_C and I kindly asked them to clarify this. The last 3 diffs Abrvagl links in their 2nd comment are literally the same things from their 1st comment, already addressed, including a standart talk page reply of mine in an article regarding which Rosguill clearly told me; "As far as the continued discussion regarding the Ganja strikes, you have no obligation to continue responding to Abrvagl's arguments; it appears that the stable status quo is your preferred version,...". This same repeated "diff" (a standard talk reply from an article, an article where Abrvagl yet has to gain consensus per admin comment as well) that Abrvagl links for the second time now is what constitutes "wartime ethnic retribution" according to them. I'm not going to tolerate personal attacks like this again.
- I believe this user should be WP:BOOMERANGed because of the continued sheer incompetence and insufficient diffs against me, characterized with bad faith and outright false accusations. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 14:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- El C can you please clarify that this is not a "sanction" but a warning you gave me back in February? There is a pretty big difference as far as I know, and shouldn't this user be more diligent given the insufficient report that they already posted and wrongly characterized a bunch of things, including ancient diffs when I just registered? See my comment above for examples. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning ZaniGiovanni
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- The 3O was by someone that had been here 2 or 3 weeks with 200 edits, so it's hard for me to even understand why they are giving 3rd opinions, making ignoring it utterly forgivable. The other stuff seems to be backed with diffs and falls under "content dispute", which I have no comment on. Adding a sentence once isn't an example of battleground or WP:TE. Commenting on someone having their topic ban lifted and making huge edits as problematic isn't harassing them. It might be snarky, but that is about it. I haven't looked deeper than the diffs you provided, as I assume you have provided the worst offenses, yet I don't see any bright line violations. Some heat is expected when editing in controversial topic area. Based on this, I would recommend no action, and just remind ZaniGiovanni that being snarky isn't helpful. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 18:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Kurds and Kurdistan
Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Thepharoah17
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- Appealing user
- Thepharoah17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sanction being appealed
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Thepharoah17 topic-banned
- Administrator imposing the sanction
- ArbCom (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Notification of that administrator
- The appealing editor is asked to notify the administrator who made the enforcement action of this appeal, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The appeal may not be processed otherwise. If a block is appealed, the editor moving the appeal to this board should make the notification.
Statement by Thepharoah17
I got a one year topic ban in this area and would like to appeal the ban. Apparently, my editing was disruptive and I pledge to change that. I never meant any harm with my edits. In any case, I just took a seven month break from Wikipedia and am ready to contribute positively. I was kind of busy in the past few months. If you let me back, I promise I will contribute positively. There was a sockpuppet that I was dealing with and things may have gotten a bit messy but I promise there will be no disruption from me. You can look at my talk page history and see that I have never been disruptive. By the way, I am not sure if I am appealing this the right way or if I have to appeal to the arbitration committee i.e. I did not know what to put for 'user imposing the sanction' so I just put ArbCom.
The only reason I am topic banned is because there was a sockpuppet and because Levivich did a witch hunt (and did not even get one of the diffs correct). Go through my talk page history and you will find almost no warnings. You want to extend the topic ban, go ahead. I fully swear 100% to god that I have NEVER been disruptive. That case was opened by a banned user. That one month block btw, I’m not sure what it was for i.e. I think it was supposed to be an arbitration block but it was because a user went forum shopping. I am telling you I am 100% innocent. The block on the French wiki was because I was reverting a sockpuppet's edits on that wiki. I am telling you, though, I am 100% innocent. If you do not believe me, that is your choice. The topic ban is not even possible. Banned users cannot open arb cases. Do whatever you want. Honestly, I don’t even know why I even came back. The whole thing is just weird but again do whatever you want. Banned users cannot open arb cases and users like Levivich cannot do (or are not supposed to be allowed to do witch hunts). Before that point, I had NEVER really had any warnings. He did a witch hunt and portrayed me as a disruptive editor. I am telling you, though, I am not a disruptive editor. Believe whoever you want. It is your choice. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Wikipedia. If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you. BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Statement by ArbCom
Statement by Levivich
Two things I'd like to raise: First, the last edit Thepharoah17 made prior to posting this request is this from Dec. 6, which I won't characterize, but I think reviewing admins should read. Second, I think it would help to see a few examples from the past year where Thepharoah17 has resolved a content dispute with another editor, or at least engaged in discussion of content with another editor, to demonstrate that their approach has indeed changed from the approach that led to the TBAN. Levivich[block] 18:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Thepharoah17
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Result of the appeal by Thepharoah17
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- The topic ban was placed in February 2021 with a note that it can be appealed after 12 months. They were blocked for a week by El_C for violating the topic ban in March 2021 [6] which they unsuccessfully appealed here. They were block again in May 2021, this time for 1 month, following this AE thread. This clearly shows the claim that they have never been disruptive to be incorrect. Looking at their talk page, it seems there have been several issues relating to deletion since then but none have been in the area of the topic ban. However, this appeal is their first (and so far only) contribution to the project since December when they were indefinitely blocked on the French Wikipedia for Kurdistan-related disruption. All this together, and particularly the last two points, mean I'm leaning towards not accepting the appeal now - I'd prefer to see another 6 months of clearly good editing in other topic areas first. Thryduulf (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm really just a poor guy who was hoping to make positive contributions to Wikipedia.
you are free to make positive contributions to Wikipedia about every other subject you can think of.If you believe I am disruptive, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's not about telling us things, the evidence of your contributions shows that you very much were disruptive. You need to show us, through your edits, that you no longer are.BTW the only reason I was topic banned was because I reverted a sockpuppet.
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kurds and Kurdistan#Thepharoah17 makes it clear that the basis for your topic ban was not just "reverting a sock puppet".- In order for your topic ban to be lifted you need to demonstrate three things:
- That you understand why your past behaviour was disruptive
- That you are now able to make positive contributions to the encyclopaedia without being disruptive
- That if the topic ban is lifted you wont return to the behaviour that resulted in the topic ban in the first place.
- Regarding point 1, not only have you not demonstrated this, it's becoming clear that you don't (or possibly don't want to) understand this; with no recent edits we have no evidence on which to evaluate point 2, but your edits from December do not make a good case for you. The lack of recent edits also make point 3 hard to judge, but your actions on the French Wikipedia after being topic banned here and your lack of understanding of why your actions were disruptive don't fill me with confidence. I'm now a firm decline. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- I would oppose removing the tban at this time. Our first obligation is to the reader, then the editors contributing to those articles in a positive way. I don't see lifting the tban as helping either group, given the statements, prior blocks and insufficient time actually contributing in a constructive manner. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Ghazaalch
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Request concerning Ghazaalch
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Iraniangal777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Ghazaalch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian politics
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- WP:CRP: Ghazaalch has been edit-warring their preferred version into this article non-stop: Content 1: ([7]-[8]-[9]-[10]-[11]) and Content 2: ([12]-[13]-[14]-[15])
- WP:NPOV. Ghazaalch does this while removing other content (from the same sources) without proper explanation: ([16]-[17]-[18]-[19]-[20]-[21])
- Many warnings (at first they appear to have self-reverted, but now they seem to have lost any regard for policy): ([22]-[23]-[24]-[25])
- Ghazaalch's other disruption: tampering RFCs ([26]-[27]-[28]), not giving explanations in the talk page when asked to explain reverts ([29]-[30]), making false narratives ([31]), stonewalling ([32]-[33]), and other forms of WP:GAMING (such as WP:BADFAITHNEG [34]). There is also WP:Tag-teaming, all of which can be discussed if anybody wants, but the above may be the worst of it since at this point Ghazaalch seems to have lost any regard for policy (particularly WP:CRP). Even today they edit-warred this again using a trumped-up edit summary.
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
- CASE from a month ago.
- Their Talk page also shows a couple of alerts about discretionary sanctions in this are of conflict.
- Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 22:49, 25 July 2021.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
- Done.
Discussion concerning Ghazaalch
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Statement by Ghazaalch
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Result concerning Ghazaalch
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.