Request temporary PMR
Hi Primefac, my laptop is badly damaged and it would take more than a month to come back. Part of AfC and NPP, I request you to temporarily grant me page mover rights on my mobile account, and put them to stop by likely 40 days? I was looking at some NPP articles and had to push them to draft but I don't want to put load on admins by leaving behind redirects. Regards, ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 13:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies, I was on holiday and missed this. I see that your request has been granted, though. Primefac (talk) 11:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
AWB perm request
Hi, I normally wouldn't leave a message like this, but could you please take a look at my request over at WP:PERM/AWB, if you find the time? Sorry to bother you specifically, I just saw that you're one the admins who's regularly active there. Thank you! Felida97 (talk) 13:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am, but I've been away on holiday and still catching up on more pressing matters (both IRL and on-Wiki). If there are still open requests by the time I get down to the AWB PERMs, I'll certainly take a look. Primefac (talk) 11:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Discord
I know we can't form consensus on this particular app, but we can talk there, is that okay?--The Space Enthusiast (talk) 13:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I do not use Discord, sorry. You can find me in various places on IRC though. Primefac (talk) 11:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Request regarding AFC help script
I was granted with the script and i was reviewing but recently i changed my username from Owlf to DIVINE, so can you please grant me the access in this username and remove it from Owlf? Regards, DIVINE 📪 11:58, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Numbering
Thanks for the heads up, but the the public scolding has taught me not to try to be of help again. Best would have been a message on my tp. It's amazing how being Arbcom members and bureaucrats changes people's approach to experienced but common or garden Wikislaves. I can understand why there is a consensus against editors wearing both hats. Retirement is obviously the best place for me, but it's hard to let go when you've left a legacy you're fairly proud of, even as an anonymous username, one that goes back before many of our users were born. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- If I had left the message at your talk, then the user (and anyone else passing by) would not know the information is incorrect. I could have avoided a ping, but then you might not have known if you needed to post next time. This was not in any way meant to be a "scolding" as you say, just a note that you had made a small error. I also don't see how my hats had anything to do with my note, as it was just left for your reference for the future. We all make mistakes (if my talk page archives are any indication...) and I hope that this single act doesn't kick you off the project - you know I respect your opinions and the work you have done over the years. Primefac (talk) 10:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Primefac, I'm not one of those people who look under every rock for possible offense, but knowing that a certain committee rarely does any due diligence, and that some members of it indeed occasionally alter the way they interact with other users, my sensitivities are somewhat strained. Indeed, I often wonder why I bother with Wikipedia at all. In similar circumstances, others just retire completely. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Assistance please
Hello Primefac, I hope you are well. Yesterday whilst patrolling recent changes, I reverted an edit which turned out to be correct. I apologised to the user in question although they are getting very irate with me on their talk page and they are saying something about many other users too, I’m not really sure what’s going on. this is the user who i am communicating with, hope you can help. Many thanks Blanchey (talk) 11:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure what help I can be; some people on the internet get irrationally angry at minor inconveniences. You've done what you can to apologise, so it's probably best to just walk away. Primefac (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Potential vandal running amok
User:MomanizerABCD! appears to be a vandal. People are trying to clean up the vandalism and he's just reverting all reverts. [1]
They've left a big mess, and I'm pretty sure most of it is vandalism and it needs to be shut down quickly. I saw you on the active admin list which is why I came here instaed of AN/I or AN/V (someone already listed him on AN/V).
I also suspect sockpuppetry connected to another blocked account, but I'll put that together later. ButlerBlog (talk) 11:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
MomanizerABCD!: IT'S ME. I'm Policina, a.k.a. DudleyPuppyLikes2ChewHisButt. — Preceding undated comment added 11:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's about what I figured. ButlerBlog (talk) 11:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I guess I'm too slow :-p Primefac (talk) 11:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- No worries! Thanks for the quick response! (And at least the user admitted to the sock, making the SPI easier - although I pretty much had it figured out based on some of the content/edit summaries) ButlerBlog (talk) 11:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I guess I'm too slow :-p Primefac (talk) 11:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I was waiting until his talk page was blanked and TPA removed
And of course I'd explain why I removed it. I was planning to suppress it. I wish I'd outright checked with him about who he was, but as he seemed to expect us to know, and it was obvious.... Doug Weller talk 16:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry if it seems like I jumped in unexpectedly, there are a few different discussions happening in various places and while it's pretty obvious, it's not explicit so the general consensus across those conversations was to suppress. Primefac (talk) 16:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Find by me although I would have preferred to do it myself. Doug Weller talk 17:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- I just remembered I'd added them elsewhere and I've suppressed them. Doug Weller talk 17:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Find by me although I would have preferred to do it myself. Doug Weller talk 17:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Promotion to Articles for Creation reviewer
Hi Primefac, apologies for the intrusion given how busy you are. In July 2021 you granted me AfC probationary reviewer rights. Noting that is now nearly 12 months since then, I am just wondering if you might know when you would have a chance to assess my promotion to reviewer? My AfC stats are here if that helps. With appreciation. Cabrils (talk) 23:03, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- I generally update things like that the first weekend of the month, but my "first weekends" have been taken up by real-life priorities since April. I think things have slowed down for me a bit, but only time will tell. Primefac (talk) 11:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Editor assistance
Hi, sorry to bother you I’m sure you’re busy. I wanted to ask if you could assist me or direct me to someone who could assist me with the singer Chris Brown's page. I believe that the edits on his page are violating mos:LEAD & WP:NPOV. The lead section does fit the four paragraph guidelines but those paragraphs are EXTREMELY lengthy. The lead is full of trivia in my opinion things like radio records that the artist has broken etc should be restricted to his legacy section or on the song's lead page. Also he’s being dubbed as "the King of R&B" "by several" in his lead when the citation provided only states that radio personality Ebro Darden and his fans have called him such. Which is not enough for someone's lead on Wikipedia. I’ve tried to give a more neutral edit that was shorter and less biased in his favor without removing too much of the information provided and it keeps getting reverted by editors who are clearly his fans. What can or should I do? Kanyfug (talk) 10:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I also want to add that several editors have complained about this on the talk page. And I also want to make note of a mention in the lead that states that Billboard has called him one of the most influential and successful R&b acts. Which is completely false, the citation states that he "become one of the biggest names in R&B and pop" in the past nine years. Kanyfug (talk) 10:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- If a single editor is editing against consensus, then raise the issue at WP:ANI and seek sanctions against them. I think that's the best quick advice I can give. Primefac (talk) 14:09, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Uploaded image of portrait of Patrick Whelan
Hi Primefac I got a message from you re: copyright of a portrait of Patrick Whelan, which seems to have disappeared now. Can you please resend, so that I can look into this issue and fix it? Thanks Helen Larkin (talk) 14:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- The message is at your user talk on Commons. There is nothing to "fix" here, you blatantly took an image from Fitzpatrick's website and uploaded it to Commons against his explicit copyright statements. Primefac (talk) 14:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft which was created by me
Hi Primefac, Hope you're fine & just to let you know that I've fixed my signature as per your suggestion. I want to request you to look after the rejection of Draft:Tulsi Bhagat. I created this draft almost one year back and that time it was accepted from draft to mainspace and later it was again moved back to draft from mainspace as the reviewer mentioned that it was his mistake as i don't remember much but it can be found on my archive or you can easily access the deletion log in that page. But I'm quite confused that one user rejected the draft Draft:Tulsi Bhagat. Being a new page reviewers I'm well known about those things and we don't create draft to get rejected while it might pass notability and was weakly passed before too & being a member and editor of Wikiproject Nepal , As per WP:BIO, this article is clearly notable and 3 independent reliable sources are required for AFC pass, it has more than 3 sources. The reviwers seems to lack the knowledge of proper AFC reviewing instructions guidelines as they have rejected the draft instead of declining which is surprising. In only clear cut cases the draft get reject otherwise it is declined. Regards, DIVINE 00:19, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, the first step is always to discuss the matter with the reviewer, but I see you've already done that and been both incredibly vague and incredibly rude about it. Maybe you should try again with them, being more specific and less critical, and if that doesn't go as well as you would like then I can offer more advice. Primefac (talk) 05:42, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Tulsa Stations
Could you update these articles?
- KTUL: Could you go to programming and remove the Two and a Half Men, because the show no longer airs on the station.
- KMYT-TV: Add on programming Forensic Files.
- KTPX-TV: Add 44.8 HSN because the subchannel is back on, and add on subchannels template.
- KGEB: Add Category:Buzzr affiliates below.
- KJRH-TV: Change KJRH-DT6 to this: "KJRH-DT6 is the Circle-affiliated sixth digital subchannel of KJRH-TV, broadcasting in standard definition on channel 2.6. On May 17, 2022, the station launched the subchannel."
- KUOC-LD: Add Category:Decades (TV network) affiliates, and Category:Quest (American TV network) affiliates below.
- Template:Tulsa TV: Fix KZLL-LD 39.2 Twist, 39.3 beIN Sports Xtra/, 39.5 beIN Sports Xtra en Español/, 39.6 Novelísima.
Hduueudtdi (talk) 02:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- The short answer is no, but this is more because I am not familiar with these pages (nor do I think I have ever edited them) and it would take me five times as long just to verify the changes you want to make as it would be to actually make the edits. Being slightly out-of-date is not the end of the world, and you will be able to edit them soon enough. As a very minor note, I have formatted your post for readability; if you do not prefer this way I will change it back. Primefac (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Two questions about me and AfC
I am approaching you since you have granted me (probationary) AfC reviewer status:
- Can I place a userbox, for instance {{User wikipedia/AFC}}, on my userpage?
- Can I include myself on Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/List of reviewers by subject?
Thanks in advance, NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Momentous draft page
Hello Primefac, i want to approach you about the contribution to the new draft article about Momentous, the new nighttime spectacular at Hong Kong Disneyland that debuted last week on June 18. Could you please change the status of the article from draft article into an new article, giving that nighttime show already received significant press media coverage for example from WDW News Today, The Standard, SCMP, and others. In addition, the show already debuted a week ago and there's a some contribution from users like Mt parson. 180.254.169.85 (talk) 08:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't do reviews on-demand, but if you wish to submit the page for review place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page and it will be looked at by someone from the WP:AFC project. Primefac (talk) 08:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you. the draft article has already submited. 180.254.165.100 (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Patrol rights
Hello @Primefac I hope you're doing well. Can you guide me what's the criteria to become a Edit Patroller. I hold simliar permission on commons and wikidata see here. Thanks, Have a great day ahead! C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 08:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- I assume you are referring to WP:NPR, which is described there. Not being a part of that project I couldn't really give much insight into their criteria, but it should be laid out on their information pages. Primefac (talk) 08:51, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Concern
I mistakely commented via Ip here Talk:Communist Party of Nepal (United) as my account was automatically logged out. Will be there any problem? But i have already clarified it there too and why i offen got automatically logged out while i always click on keep me logged in for 365 days while signing in? DIVINE 19:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Removed, but next time send an email so that my 541 page watchers don't also see that IP info. Primefac (talk) 19:27, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, Thankyou :) DIVINE 19:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
two questions
Hello. I hope you are doing well. Two random questions: how to add a website to blacklist (or edit filter?) so that it cant be used on wikipedia as reference, external/plain link. 2: if need be, is there a way to delete a page with 5,000+ edits? If yes, how? —usernamekiran (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Two less-than-random answers:
- MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed additions
- Contact a steward
- Primefac (talk) 20:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- erm... Thats a very odd way to keep us (admins) in check/line. eh. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- I assume you're referring to the stews, and that's actually more of a technical issue than anything (server lag etc), which has it's own special name. Primefac (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- yeah, I vaguely remember about reading about VfD being deleted, main page, then a bot to edit main page repeatedly to make 5000 edits so that no-one would be able to delete it — ending up in server resources being consumed, then there was page move of ANI too. It sounds funny depending on listeners' perspective. By the by didn't you realise I referred to myself as an admin? —usernamekiran (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- I assume you're referring to the stews, and that's actually more of a technical issue than anything (server lag etc), which has it's own special name. Primefac (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- erm... Thats a very odd way to keep us (admins) in check/line. eh. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- follow-up question: if an entry is added to the MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist, then is there a way to check if someone tried to add that link? —usernamekiran (talk) 06:36, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I feel like there is (or should be) but I do not know for sure and a quick check of where I thought it might be turned up nothing (but that just means I could be looking in the wrong place). Primefac (talk) 06:50, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran: I assume you are talking about mrwiki? You can get a log of every attempt to add blacklisted links in mrwiki here. This can be filtered by users too. 2405:204:5702:1FF7:0:0:1C25:98A5 (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- yes, and thanks. From the lead given by you, I found this log list. Your help is appreciated a lot. Users like you should have account. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
PrimeBOT
Hello, again, Primefac,
I work a lot with expiring drafts and I noticed today that PrimeBOT was working Task 30 in Draft space fine until April 2022, did 2 more Task 30 edits in May in Draft space and then hasn't been active since then. I notice that its description says Remove deprecated parameters from templates when requested
so maybe edits in Draft space just haven't been requested lately. I see it's been busy with Task 30 edits in article space so maybe the latest requested jobs just haven't involved drafts. We recently had something similar happen with FrescoBot's work in Draft space, it was very active until October 2021, went inactive for a few months and then came back to its regular level of activity in April 2022 so maybe this is part of a regular cycle of activity and inactivity that I hadn't noticed before.
Any way, I thought I'd just check in and see what was up. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 20:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Task 30 is template-dependent, and ran 10 days ago (19 June). If the template(s) being edited by the bot aren't in the draft space, well, the draft space doesn't get edited, as you surmised. Given that the templates are usually infoboxes, and drafts will often be using the most up-to-date version of an infobox (as opposed to article-space where a deprecated parameter might still be in use), I'm not overly surprised there aren't that many drafts being edited. Primefac (talk) 05:55, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
2003 Midwest monkeypox outbreak
Hey, could you please protect 2003 Midwest monkeypox outbreak and hide the revision history that I just reverted? It contained highly offensive material. I am sorry for not being able to do this but I am unable to as I don't have the controls, but I wanted it removed ASAP because this is not okay at all. It's so sad that such vile people exist DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 01:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but WP:RFPP is the best place for you to request protection in the future. Primefac (talk) 05:56, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! I will request it there next time. Could you please remove/hide the revisions that were done on the 28th June? The most recent ones were hidden but not from the 28th. If not, do you know where I can request this? DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:06, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much!DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 07:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I raised it at WP:ANI#Excessive vandalism at Monkeypox-related articles, and edit filter was created. It is hidden from public view so I don't know what it is doing but it looks like the vandal has found another go-around. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much!DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 07:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Contribution
Hello @Primefac could you please check my contribution and do revdel, I have tagged some articles. Thanks C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 05:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Michel Leeb
Hello. I rescued this from G13 and resubmitted as myself because I assume the original author/translator (Hypuxylun) will not be addressing the issues that caused you to decline. Am I right in understanding that you have assessed this is a notable topic but there are problems with the content of the article? I appreciate that this is an article about a living person so special requirements apply. We strive to have articles without unsourced material that is likely to be challenged but that's a higher bar than I'm used to clearing with my AfC reviews. What are the exact sourcing requirement for AfC acceptance? I'm happy to trim down the Career section as necessary to clear this. ~Kvng (talk) 13:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- 75% of the draft is unsourced, meaning WP:V and BLP are failed, which is more relevant than GNG by itself. Primefac (talk) 13:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining your decline but that didn't answer my general question. WP:V comes into play for statements that are likely to be challenged. I'm going to WP:AGF from the author and the subject has appeared in certain plays and television spots listed in the draft. This is not contentious material and, if anyone does want to challenge it, it should not be difficult to find information about these and review the credits. ~Kvng (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Nearly every unsourced statement in the Career section can (and should) be challenged. "affirming to be the only one in the world to do it"? Unsupported by the reference. "broke the audience records"? Unsupported by the reference (which I'll note is not even a proper reference, just a link to a search!). He taught philosophy? Says who.
- Seriously, if you're going to say that we should AGF that the creator knows what they're talking about, then we shouldn't even bother with references, because of course someone writing about someone else will always get it right. However, it is not the reviewer's job to find references; it is a reviewer's job to determine whether those references are sufficient for demonstrating notability and verifiability. Now that I've gone through the draft a second time, I am going to add "fails GNG" to the decline rationale, because currently there is insufficient coverage in the provided references. Primefac (talk) 15:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your thoughts. Do you apply this same level of rigor to all articles or is this because we're dealing with a WP:BLP here? ~Kvng (talk) 18:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am always willing to explain my rationale for declines (or accepts, if required). Every draft is different; some are much easier to review than others, but I follow the same process for all of my reviews. Primefac (talk) 18:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Our AFC overarching accept criteria is to accept submissions WP:UNLIKELY to be deleted. Based on my AfD experience, I would consider this one a keeper.
- I see a wide range of what editors consider acceptable referencing. With the possible exception of WP:BLPs, I don't think we should be applying referencing standards above what we currently find tolerable in existing main space articles. Wikipedia is successful because of collaborative editing. If we don't get incomplete/flawed drafts to main space, they have little chance of being improved to the level of quality we're looking for. ~Kvng (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- The referencing was clearly not "tolerable" in article-space, given that it was draftified for not being notable, then not improved before it was submitted for review, and then declined because the references do not demonstrate notability. I'm not sure what you're trying to convince me of or get me to claim, but arguing that I have done something that shouldn't be done (when clearly that is not the case) is rather a waste of time. Primefac (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am always willing to explain my rationale for declines (or accepts, if required). Every draft is different; some are much easier to review than others, but I follow the same process for all of my reviews. Primefac (talk) 18:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your thoughts. Do you apply this same level of rigor to all articles or is this because we're dealing with a WP:BLP here? ~Kvng (talk) 18:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining your decline but that didn't answer my general question. WP:V comes into play for statements that are likely to be challenged. I'm going to WP:AGF from the author and the subject has appeared in certain plays and television spots listed in the draft. This is not contentious material and, if anyone does want to challenge it, it should not be difficult to find information about these and review the credits. ~Kvng (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Escaype Live
Hi, @Primefac hope you are doing well? I came across your edit were you have deleted it. I tried working on same in my User:Pushhkar/sandbox so I need your Suggestion, do I move the Article directly to the MainSpace or Shall I take the Wikipedia:AFC Route to Submit the Article. Thanks Pushhkar (talk) 16:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Given that it was deleted before, it would be a good idea to pass it through AFC as an additional check. Primefac (talk) 18:14, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Humble request
I want to start fresh, can you block my account and revoked all of my right. I will freshly joined with new account despite of any arguments in future, don't think I'm emotional or anything as I'm well educated and aware about everything i want to start freshly . Thankyou DIVINE 19:39, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Once you have created your new account and linked it to your current account (to avoid claims of sockpuppetry) I can block your current account. Primefac (talk) 19:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I'll again join wikipedia after one year and I'll post in your talk page. Thankyou DIVINE 19:44, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
And i mentioned and requested i wanted to start fresh with new account and block this account and revoked all rights its all up to you. DIVINE 19:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
[2] here admin told me that you should take a long time to do draftification as i was here since almost 8 years you just revoked my right in few minutes without answering my fresh start as i told you i want to start fresh if you can revoke my right and block me. I think it's fair enough I think i didn't spent my 8 years to have fun here in wikipedia. Regards, DIVINE 19:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll be honest, you're starting to not make sense any more. You asked for your perms removed and for your account to be blocked. I'm fine with removing your perms as requested, but I generally only self-block if there is either no plan to return to Wikipedia or if there is a definite "new account" to link to. If you are planning on a true clean start, then whether or not I block your current account is immaterial, because in theory you will never edit with it again. Primefac (talk) 19:57, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't want any new rights on my new account as i wanted to edit wikipedia and neither I want to claim any right referring this account, that was my request, can i start fresh as any new commers? DIVINE 20:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, that is always an option, just be sure to read the guidance at Wikipedia:Clean start. Primefac (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't want any new rights on my new account as i wanted to edit wikipedia and neither I want to claim any right referring this account, that was my request, can i start fresh as any new commers? DIVINE 20:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't want to face any sockpuppet in future , as i mainly edit related to Wikiproject Nepal. DIVINE 20:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't want to face any sockpuppet in future , as i mainly edit related to Wikiproject Nepal. DIVINE 20:11, 30 June 2022 (UTC) DIVINE 20:43, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Reassign my all rights immediately as I'm not satisfied. Regards, DIVINE 21:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)