An article with some errors and non-neutral language.
Hi again. I was categorizing articles when I came across Bayinnaung's Bell Inscription. It has some grammatical errors and a sentence that doesn't conform with Wikipedia's neutrality. Example: 'But the copied of the texts and the translations were so much mistaken.'
I know I could do it by myself, but I'm a bit too nervous to attempt that. So the reason I'm here is to ask how to put up that little text at the top that notifies anyone who views the article about the errors and the lack of neutrality, and that they could help by editing it.
Thank you everyone. TheFaeryMuse (talk) 03:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Steel yourself, TheFaeryMuse. Attempt that. Fixing grammatical errors requires a minimal amount of steel. When you've fixed them (and the sky hasn't fallen on you), fix the neutrality problem. -- Hoary (talk) 08:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, TheFaeryMuse, and welcome to the Teahouse. The worst that can happen is that somebody disagrees with your edit and then reverts it: then you can have a discussion about it per WP:BRD. If you really don't want to try, the things you are talking about are WP:Maintenance tags (which contains a list of the common ones). ColinFine (talk) 13:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I thought about editing that article, if the OP is reluctant, but I am baffled how to improve "hanked in the middle of a road". I will stay far away. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, FaeryMuse, you can also describe your concerns about accuracy and neutrality at Talk:Bayinnaung's Bell Inscription. But I encourage you to jump in and make some changes! Not sure how notable the inscription is in the grand scheme of things. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 14:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi everyone Pelagic, Hoary, ColinFine. Thanks for responding. I'll try to edit it, but like Pelagic pointed out, I'll first find out if it's notable. Also, I'm not exactly sure how to comment in these. I just tapped the edit button, typed under your messages, copied the format that links the commenter's username and talk channel, and changed it to link to mine. Is there a better way to do this? Thank you. BTW I use mobile. TheFaeryMuse (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, TheFaeryMuse. The way you replied worked fine, and notified me (and I presume the others). The only thing you didn't do was indent your reply, which you can do by starting the line with one or more colons (':'). If you start with one more colon than the message you're replying to, it will indent it one step further. Also, you signed your reply in a way that didn't add the time and date. If you sign with four tildes (~~~~) it will automatically add your signature and the time and date.
- Alternatively, the way I reply on pages like this now is by picking
[reply]
that the software displays at the end of every post - that handles the notification, indenting, and signature for me. I don't know whether it is available on mobile though. ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
loss of ability to edit
I edited the biography of a living person, David Paulides. When I clicked to publish my changes, something happened and my edit tab disappeared. The editors who were working on the article were listening to a man @Abe Cunningham who was very insistant that the subject of the biography have an arrest for a misdemeanor included in the article. This arrest happened over 25 years ago, and seemed so trivial to me, more of a misunderstanding. The subject is a sixty six year old author. I said that it doesn't improve the article to put that embarrassing arrest detail into the article, that it harms our subject who has said that he has lost income because his wikipedia page was so incorrect and negative (even the description on this link is wrong. He's known worldwide for his Missing411 investigation of missing persons, not Bigfoot.) I did my best to advocate for the subject's privacy, removed the arrest information, pointed out that even the statue of limitations for a misdemeanor in California is only a year, and looked into the very old sources being used. Abe Cunningham, who was extremely keen to get the arrest into the article, had even sent away to get the income, pension, and details of David Paulides career as a police officer. It seems so suspicious to me, like this person had a personal grudge against David Paulides I believe that I was right in erring on the side of removing the damaging arrest information. I don't think it was right for me to lose editing priveleges for that. Please pardon me for being so wordy here, and thank you so much for your help. Can I get my edit button back? I'm marikotambini
please no mobile view. David Paulides - Wikipedia Marikotambini (talk) 05:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Marikotambini: According to your block log, you are currently not blocked, and in-fact have never been blocked. So, please explain further if you want a better answer. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 05:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- between my talk and my read tab at the top left of the page i used to have a tab labeled "EDIT." That tab is now missing. I don't know of another way to edit an article. Marikotambini (talk) 07:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have an explanation, but I will ask, first, whether the editor is editing from a mobile device. Second, what they are describing sounds as if their interface has changed in some unexpected way. Since they say, "please no mobile view", I wonder whether they are on a mobile device and are (reasonably) trying to use Desktop View, and something has gone wrong. User:Cullen328 - You are the expert on editing from a mobile device. Do you have further questions to troubleshoot this problem? Robert McClenon (talk) 07:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Desktop on mobile does occassionally load improperly and the edit tab is not visible (or moves to the more tab), but a simple reload of the page resolves this visual glitch. So, basic troubleshoot, have you tried reloading the page and seeing if the edit button returns? If edit button does not reappear, does it apply to all articles or only that particular page? Slywriter (talk) 13:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Marikotambini, Slywriter is correct. Sometimes when editing with a mobile device on the desktop site, the various editing tabs can get scrambled up. I can clear that problem by clicking on the Watchlist tab. The "Edit source" tab will then return to its normal spot. As an administrator, I can confirm that you are not blocked in any way. Because of ongoing problems with vandalism, the article has been semi-protected indefinitely. Marikotambini, please do not edit against consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 17:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Marikotambini, the editor that you are complaining about is User:Able Cunningam, rather than Abe Cunningham, who is the drummer of the Deftones. Able Cunnigham made six edits to Talk:David Paulides in December, 2020 and then stopped editing. Accuracy is important. Cullen328 (talk) 17:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I hear you, Cullen328, thank you for your time. if I might again advocate for the author who the article is about. He entrusted me with making best efforts to improve the article. The negativity and covert implications in the article makes Mr. Paulides look bad, and there is lost income as well. I can give many reasons and sources why if that's necessary. If I ask for reconsideration for the semi protected status, is that allowed? Also, if Mr. Paulides requests the page be deleted, will starting that process be futile? I'm sorry to be asking this, and I will abide by what you tell me.
- It looks like I have no experience from the red name, but I have done a lot of editing on other wiki if that counts for anything. Previously many others besides me have tried to remedy the problems on Mr. Paulides page with no success. There's a lot of anger and frustration going back years from past editors who sought to make corrections that seem urgent to anyone who knows Mr. Paulides work. It's confusing and baffling trying to deal with both editing within the rules, and trying to find solutions. I had hoped to convince the editors working on the page that there are falsehoods and incorrect information in the article. I'm now trying to work more effectively than I have before in presenting both information and reliable sources. Mr. Paulides has said that he can't understand the impossibility of fixing a few falsehoods, but at this point it does seem impossible to me. Again thank you so much for your patience and help. With respect I will act as you tell me to do. Marikotambini (talk) 20:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Marikotambini You say that you are making changes to an article at the request of the article's subject: This means you have a Conflict of Interest (click here) and you must follow the instructions at that link. As for the arrest: if things like arrest records are incorrect, that's one thing, but if an arrest actually happened, and there are reliable sources, and you want to remove that "embarrassing arrest detail ... [which] harms our subject", even if there is lost income: Please read BLP which explains the kinds of things that WP cares about: it may sound harsh, but WP isn't concerned if a well-referenced piece of info embarrasses the subject or not. The article is not for the subject's benefit, but rather, for the benefit of its readers. Now, if the arrest was for something minor, and it was a long time ago, then maybe the article doesn't need that info. But the changes need to follow WP policy, such as UNDUE, rather than an embarrassment reason or the wishes of the article's subject. Hope this helps, and please read COI linked above. Thanks. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, BLP is not the policy that says an article is not for the benefit of its subject. I can't find the policy I had in mind; maybe someone else will chime in. Sorry for the confusion. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- You're thinking off Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, which is an essay asking the reader to think twice about whether actively striving to get an article of them onto Wikipedia is in their best interests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I said it badly. I emailed David Paulides and said that I had made one change on his biography page. I said I could possibly try to make more. He emailed back that if I could it would be helpful. That is the only communication with David Paulides I've ever had. I don't know him or anyone of his family or acquaintances. I don't know him at all. I know his work. That's it. I have no stake in doing this.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Marikotambini (talk • contribs) 00:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, BLP is not the policy that says an article is not for the benefit of its subject. I can't find the policy I had in mind; maybe someone else will chime in. Sorry for the confusion. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Marikotambini Sorry if I misunderstood your relationship with him; I just went by
He entrusted me with making best efforts to improve the article
. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Marikotambini You say that you are making changes to an article at the request of the article's subject: This means you have a Conflict of Interest (click here) and you must follow the instructions at that link. As for the arrest: if things like arrest records are incorrect, that's one thing, but if an arrest actually happened, and there are reliable sources, and you want to remove that "embarrassing arrest detail ... [which] harms our subject", even if there is lost income: Please read BLP which explains the kinds of things that WP cares about: it may sound harsh, but WP isn't concerned if a well-referenced piece of info embarrasses the subject or not. The article is not for the subject's benefit, but rather, for the benefit of its readers. Now, if the arrest was for something minor, and it was a long time ago, then maybe the article doesn't need that info. But the changes need to follow WP policy, such as UNDUE, rather than an embarrassment reason or the wishes of the article's subject. Hope this helps, and please read COI linked above. Thanks. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- ty, reloading the page didn't fix it. the loss of the edit tab applies to all pages. Marikotambini (talk) 19:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Marikotambini, Slywriter is correct. Sometimes when editing with a mobile device on the desktop site, the various editing tabs can get scrambled up. I can clear that problem by clicking on the Watchlist tab. The "Edit source" tab will then return to its normal spot. As an administrator, I can confirm that you are not blocked in any way. Because of ongoing problems with vandalism, the article has been semi-protected indefinitely. Marikotambini, please do not edit against consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 17:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. It's simply that I don't have a cell phone. That's why I wanted to be sure to say "no mobile." I looked through my preferences and didn't find a fix for the problem. I can tell you that I lost that tab suddenly, and it was as I clicked "publish" for a change I made. ty so much Marikotambini (talk) 19:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Desktop on mobile does occassionally load improperly and the edit tab is not visible (or moves to the more tab), but a simple reload of the page resolves this visual glitch. So, basic troubleshoot, have you tried reloading the page and seeing if the edit button returns? If edit button does not reappear, does it apply to all articles or only that particular page? Slywriter (talk) 13:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have an explanation, but I will ask, first, whether the editor is editing from a mobile device. Second, what they are describing sounds as if their interface has changed in some unexpected way. Since they say, "please no mobile view", I wonder whether they are on a mobile device and are (reasonably) trying to use Desktop View, and something has gone wrong. User:Cullen328 - You are the expert on editing from a mobile device. Do you have further questions to troubleshoot this problem? Robert McClenon (talk) 07:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- between my talk and my read tab at the top left of the page i used to have a tab labeled "EDIT." That tab is now missing. I don't know of another way to edit an article. Marikotambini (talk) 07:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Marikotambini, if you have lost the ability to edit all pages, how are you able to edit this page? Cullen328 (talk) 22:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's possible they're using the Reply tool at the ends of comments. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know. Leaving that issue behind and responding to being told not to edit David Paulides Biography because "Because of ongoing problems with vandalism, the article has been semi-protected indefinitely. Marikotambini, please do not edit against consensus." Who granted such consensus? That is what a long string of people who clearly see the falsehoods on this page would like to know. Editors who have been trying to get the page corrected for years, including, according to David Paulides, some senior wikipedia editors, hit a brick wall. The biography page of David Paulides is being used by a "debunker" to debunk bigfoot and David Paulides. It's not the biography of a living person. It doesn't give any true information whatsoever about David Paulides. David Paulides is not in the bigfoot business. He had a former interest in bigfoot years ago. However, eleven years and ten books later he has almost nothing to do with bigfoot. By far he is known worldwide for The Missing411. The bio states that bigfoot is what he is known for. That is false. Also, that investigation is not as the page claims, a "conspiracy"[1] That business was added by wikipedia. It doesn't come from David Paulides. It's up to wikipedia to prove that claim and give their sources for whatever conspiracy they imagine is going on. “The book[s are] just the stories of the missing, no hypothesis on cause is included"</ref> [2] Upon requesting that the word, conspiracy, be removed, the editors working on the page decided that the word, conspiracy, improved the article and left it in! It is illogical. If there is no theory there can be no conspiracy.
Insistantly twisting together two, years-apart careers is incorrect and misleading. These are not the only reasons why the article is incorrect. The person who wrote the bulk of this page and had enough pull to get it protected status is the real vandal. Due to false information wikipedia is costing this author income approximately once every two weeks or so from people who say they saw the wikipedia page and therefore don't want to do business with Mr. Paulides. I know that an encyclopedia is not for the benefit of the subject. However, I don't think wikipedia's purpose is to do the subject harm, either, which is what all the wrong information does, not a matter of anyones opinion, but incorrect, misleading information. Does removing the word "conspiracy" sound like an opinion? No. At the very most essential level of the work is the persistant statement by David Paulides that he has no theory about why people are going missing. Even when pressed hard, four times in a row in his interview with Art Bell of Coast to Coast AM, he stated definitively that he doesn't know why and doesn't have a theory. I referenced this above. The above reasons are why not being allowed to edit this page against consensus makes me wonder who this consensus is. All of wikipedia's road blocks to correcting this article mean nothing. The article is faulty and incorrect in every possible way. Debunkers should not use a biography as a platform to discredit every bit of an author or scientist's work. I'll disclaim that I don't know David Paulides, am not acquainted with any of his friends or family, and live five states away from where he lives. I don't know him at all. I've communicated with him by email once. I don't have any personal stake here. If you intention in asking me the question from above was not to open this door, please pardon me. Following all the requirements of those before me has gotten them nowhere. Marikotambini (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Marikotambini, consensus reveals itself though the policy based input by experienced editors, not by drive by criticism by new editors who show zero understanding how of Wikpedia's policies and guidelines actually work in practice. An acceptable Wikipedia biography summarizes what reliable sources say about the person and their entire life and career. We do not remove the indisputable fact that a person was once self-publishing stuff about Bigfoot being real just because the person has now moved on to self-publishing musings about unexplained disappearances in national parks. If this person is notable, then we will summarize what reliable sources say about his entire life and career. If reliable sources describing this person are pubishing falsehoods, then your gripe is with those sources, not with Wikipedia. If you can persuade those sources to withdraw or clarify what they have published, then the Wikipedia article can be modified accordingly. It is not up to Wikipedia editors to say that reliable sources are wrong, or to whitewash an article because the subject is complaining that his income is being adversely affected because we are accurately summarizing what reliable sources are saying about him. Please read Wikipedia:Lunatic charlatans and WP:FRINGE. We will not back down. Cullen328 (talk) 05:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. Honestly I expected some contention. I didn't experience that. I understand and thank you for your patience, reasonable answer, and putting it clearly and in a way I could understand. I knew I was out of order in coming to you at all. I must ask your pardon for my own aggressiveness. It's not my usual way. Marikotambini (talk) 23:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I like Susan Gerbic, but I will gladly duke it out with her if I must! MikiBishop (talk) 02:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. Honestly I expected some contention. I didn't experience that. I understand and thank you for your patience, reasonable answer, and putting it clearly and in a way I could understand. I knew I was out of order in coming to you at all. I must ask your pardon for my own aggressiveness. It's not my usual way. Marikotambini (talk) 23:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Marikotambini, consensus reveals itself though the policy based input by experienced editors, not by drive by criticism by new editors who show zero understanding how of Wikpedia's policies and guidelines actually work in practice. An acceptable Wikipedia biography summarizes what reliable sources say about the person and their entire life and career. We do not remove the indisputable fact that a person was once self-publishing stuff about Bigfoot being real just because the person has now moved on to self-publishing musings about unexplained disappearances in national parks. If this person is notable, then we will summarize what reliable sources say about his entire life and career. If reliable sources describing this person are pubishing falsehoods, then your gripe is with those sources, not with Wikipedia. If you can persuade those sources to withdraw or clarify what they have published, then the Wikipedia article can be modified accordingly. It is not up to Wikipedia editors to say that reliable sources are wrong, or to whitewash an article because the subject is complaining that his income is being adversely affected because we are accurately summarizing what reliable sources are saying about him. Please read Wikipedia:Lunatic charlatans and WP:FRINGE. We will not back down. Cullen328 (talk) 05:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://en.wikipedi
- ^ https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/03/12/los-gatos-author-explores-missing-411-from-national-parks/ out of respect for the families and victims”
The first higher living organisms to survive orbit in outer space: Able & Baker OR Belka & Strelka?
I feel like I'm going crazy, so many source keep saying that Belka & Strelka Soviet space dogs were the first to be recovered alive. But Korabl-Sputnik 2 was on 19 August 1960 (Belka and Strelka's mission) while Jupiter AM-18 (Able & Baker) was 28 May 1959. They all came back to earth alive. As one is monkeys and the other dogs, they are both higher organisms, right? Why does everywhere, including Wikipedia keep saying they the one in 1960 came first. The American source (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/blazing-trail-space) says they traveled some 480 km (300 miles) up which is into orbit, while what I've been able to read in English about Russia is saying (https://www.drewexmachina.com/2020/08/19/korabl-sputnik-2-the-first-animals-recovered-from-orbit/) 306 by 339 kilometer orbit. Lover of Blue Roses (talk) 20:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
[I'm new to Wikipedia, if this is the wrong place to post my question, please let me know.]
Edit: Okay it seems that Belka & Strelka were the first to reach *orbit* rather than sub-orbit. This is not a height above earth, hence my confusion as both pass the Kármán line, but a speed needed to complete one orbital revolution (and become an artificial satellite) or reach escape velocity. It seems very strange to me that one should be considered the first animal in space to be safely returned and not the other as both were in space. Would editing to mention that one was the first in space, and the other the first in orbit, (and then recovered) make sense?
I believe that the first animals in space were fruit flies (if using the Karman line, [source], [source 2], [source 3]) P.S. I'm pretty sure that your question is fine, as long as it sticks to the central topic of creating and maintaining an encyclopedia (WP:FORUM). I could be wrong, though. Qoiuoiuoiu ( talk ) 21:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Lover of Blue Roses Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This question could probably have gone to the reference desk or to a WikiProject in this field. The Teahouse is for new users who have troubles with editing and the like.
- Asparagusus (interaction) 17:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Okay thank you! I will check out the reference desk.
- @Qoiuoiuoiu I did see that too, but I think that while fruit flies are complex organisms, due to the mammal focused human-view I don't think they count for this. They count as first life sent to space and safely returned though of course. [And! They traveled only 66 miles (100 kilometers) which seems to be considered in space (above the 100km border). So then it's extra strange that Belka would be considered in space and not Baker] Lover of Blue Roses (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Editing
hello, I would like to know if there is another place for editors to hold a debate or to reach a consensus other than the articles talk page. My reason for asking is... Someone edited Millie bobby brown page and added that she is a model, after a while another editor removed it. So I opened a talk on her page for editors to debate and come to a consensus if she is a model. The level of ignorance I saw was overwhelming because non of the editors understand wikipedia policy of reliable sources because I showed several links that verified that millie bobby brown is a model and that she is signed to a well known modeling agency img models, she has modeled for brands like Louis Vuitton,vogue and other brands she is listed on model.com website as among models. With all this I mentioned and showed sources verifying it editors are still in doubt that she is a model whereas she is listed as a producer when it is only one movie she has produced in her acting career. So I would like to know if there is any place in Wikipedia I can report or bring up a debate aside from a pages talk page because editors are no longer responding and participating. Or is there any help desk or admin/admins that I can refer the matter to so that they can look into it. cheers.Uricdivine (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Urlcdinive, and welcome to the Teahouse. WP:Dispute resolution explains things you can do when a talk page discussion cannot reach consensus. ColinFine (talk) 09:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Uricdivine, you've discussed the issue extensively at Talk:Millie_Bobby_Brown#Modeling_career, and failed to convince any of the three other editors who disagree with you. So now you're hoping to find another discussion forum, where there'll be people who agree with you. I wouldn't hold out much hope. Maproom (talk) 12:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
@ColinFine can you please break it down and tell me where I can go? Because a lot of information is there and I tried reading but I got lost after 5 paragraphs. @Maproom your correct I failed to convince them because neither of them wanted to be convinced. And yes am looking for a forum. Why am so keen-on this topic is because I can't understand why information that is sourced and verifiable isnt changing there mind for me I think is a personal vandeata or issues the have with her maybe the don't think an 18yrs old should have so many titles.... Am so keen on this topic because my links covers both Wikipedia reliable source policy and notability policy but the seem to show a blind eye also like I said she has produced only 1 movie which is enola Holmes but she is listed as a producer whereas her modeling career is ignored without reason. So please I would like to know if there is anywhere an admin or high and seasoned editor can look at my links and claims if it meets Wikipedia standard for inclusion. Uricdivine (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unless there is a reliable source to prove that she is or was ever a model, then your dispute could keep going on in a loop forever. As said above, WP:Dispute resolution has a guide to dispute resolution, but because you “got lost after 5 paragraphs”, I don’t think that would be of much help to you. The “dispute” you are having is mostly just you and uninvolved editors (plus the one person at the bottom saying that they believe you to be right). If you’re not going to use the resources other editors have provided for you, then I don’t know what to tell you.
- Asparagusus (interaction) 16:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I have used the dispute resolution. And yes I do have reliable sources supporting my claim.cheersUricdivine (talk) 11:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Copyright image
How to know whether particular image from website can be published in wikipedia or not ? how to know whether it has has copyright laws or free to use ? Shwetamits (talk) 10:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- hi @Shwetamits and welcome to the teahouse! firstly if neither the site nor the page itself has copyright information, assume it's copyrighted and cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia. if there is copyright information in the site (check pages like "about" or "licensing", or find the word "copyright" or "license") then compare the license of the image with the list at File copyright tags/Free licenses. if it appears there, you're good to go! if it doesn't, unfortunately it cannot be uploaded here. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 11:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info. will try. Shwetamits (talk) 08:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Shwetamits: Hi and welcome. Wikipedia is
the free encyclopedia
, that is, it contains content that is free, with limited exceptions. We can upload a file to Wikimedia Commons or locally if it allows both commercial use and derivatives. However, if the content isn't free, it may still be usable under a claim of fair use when uploaded locally. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 16:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)- Thanks for the reply. Shwetamits (talk) 08:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Is this a Disambiguation example?
On Tens (disambiguation), it lists a link in the "Other" section for the cartoon series The Emperor's New School just because its abbreviated form is TENS, but the title on its own does not have the word "ten" in the title nor the number 10 in numerical form, so is it really an example? Turboplate (talk) 11:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Turboplate. I don't understand your question. That DAB page is for "Tens" not "Ten" or "10", so why would "TENS" not appear there? ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I guess Turboplate means that TENS is not an official or well-known abbreviation for The Emperor's New School and it doesn't appear in the article. The Google search "TENS" "The Emperor's New School" finds so few and poor examples that it does seem questionable to me per WP:DABACRONYM. It was added by an IP in 2007.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Turboplate (talk) 18:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Creating a redirection page
Has the policy on creating new pages changed (specifically redirection pages, but probably the same applies to others)? In the past, if I wanted to create a new page the system would allow it without formality, most recently (20th June) a redirection from Harden-Young ester to Fructose 2,6-bisphosphate went without problems. Now I need to redirect from enterobactin synthase to 2,3-dihydroxybenzoate—serine ligase. As the IUBMB recommended name is enterobactin synthase that's what people can be expected to search for, but they won't find it unless they try 2,3-dihydroxybenzoate—serine ligase instead. However, when I tried to create a page it said "The page "Enterobactin synthase" does not exist. You can create a draft and submit it for review, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered". OK, but is it really necessary to go through a review? How long will it take? Has the policy changed in the past three weeks? Athel cb (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, @Athel cb! Interestingly, someone else asked a very similar question a few days ago, here. Perhaps those replies will help (I wonder if something has indeed changed recently... ). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- The wording changed 22 June [2] but you still create the page by clicking the red link with the page name. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks for these responses, which were very helpful. The discussion to which you directed me described exactly the same problem as I was having. Clicking on the red link had the desired effect, and there is now a page Enterobactin synthase. Athel cb (talk) 06:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- The wording changed 22 June [2] but you still create the page by clicking the red link with the page name. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I am sad
I wish I could edit an article, but all of the articles are already edited. I don’t want to create a article because I’m not confident enough. What should I do. :( RandomDude6 (talk) 18:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- RandomDude6 It would be an extremely rare thing for an article to be 100% complete and not need any changes. There are over 6 million articles here. You could click the "random article" button continuously to see if ones that need work come up. You can visit the community portal which has tasks that need to be done. 331dot (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, RandomDude6, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can also find a WikiProject that interests you. WikiProjects focus on specific kinds of articles; not all of them are active, but their project pages typically include goals and resources at least. You can use this to find articles you'd like to work on – many lower-traffic articles need plenty of work, including things that are easier to do as a newcomer, such as spelling and grammar fixes and integrating with more links. Hope this helps! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you RandomDude6 (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Stay updated with current affairs and then add value to the article by editing. As Randomdude6 said, that there are plethora of articles which needs information. You can search " stub" articles which means information needed in article. Shwetamits (talk) 08:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Why is Wikipedia so unfriendly to new editors?
I'm a new editor, but a long-time reader. What prompted me to write this was a Wikimedia banner asking to report to Wikimedia (UK chapter I think) examples of blatant underrepresentation of women in the articles. The banner seemed absurd: of course women (and many other groups) would be underrepresented as long as new editors that try to do edits different from spelling corrections are harassed when they write anything that doesn't fit average editor's worldview, no matter how neutral with regards to the sources the edit is.
As I've started editing, I've encountered two very strange practices and, although I couldn't find them in the list of perennial policy proposals, decided to ask here why they still exist. These practices seem very counter-productive, and seem like something that would've been discussed many times previously.
BRD is a well-kept secret. This would sound strange to any experienced editor, but as a new editor, you won't learn about BRD easily. Sure, you might stumble to the policy accidentally, but more likely than not you wouldn't know about it - and its essential to productive contributing to today's Wikipedia. After I registered, someone added a welcome message to the talk page with two dozens of links to various policies and essays. Even if I were to read all of them - I don't think BRD is amongst them.
Why isn't BRD policy made prominent to new editors on sign-up? Why is there no notification for new editors saying something like "your edit just was removed by other editor - if you think it should be in the article - please create new section on the article's talk page"?
I've tried editing Wikipedia a while ago and was discouraged by immediate removal of my first edit. I only was able to figure it now only because of a conversation with someone from Wikimedia who explained how policies work. I'm sure some of contributors who are seen disruptive may not really understand how BRD works - and there are definitely a lot of people who tried to edit in good faith and were discouraged after a near-immediate revert. I know a few personally.
Harassment under the guise of BRD. There are editors who write little, but would do a lot of reverts with comments like WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:UNDUE, WP:WEIGHT, or something like 'sourced'/'per consensus' if they're reverting a removal. Obviously, any of such comments sounds like a fair concern, and I'm sure most of such editors are acting in a good faith. However, there is an issue with the practice.
'Discuss' means to initiate a conflict with another editor on a public forum and many simply aren't comfortable with this. Many would prefer to let it slip. (A funny example I was able to correct was a statement along the lines of "John Maynard Keynes blamed Russian and Jewish natures for mass murders in the USSR" added to WP a decade ago. Of course Keynes didn't write this, besides being married to a Russian, but the statement remained in two articles for a decade because removal of the statement was promptly reverted as 'this is sourced', sounded so plausible, and no editors felt bold enough to challenge the addition in talk for a decade.) But I guess that's the nature of BRD, which is massively valuable for Wikipedia.
Where it becomes problematic is there are editors who abuse reluctance of others to discuss. They would do reverts but won't reply when asked to explain their position on the talk page. My impression is that such reverts are usually done in a good faith, but (judging by their frequency) often without evaluating the referenced source - just because the edit doesn't fit the editor's world view. Some of such editors aren't shy to claim such motivation directly in talk or an edit comment. Whereas editor who adds content needs time to write it and to challenge deletion on talk page, deleting editor doesn't have to spend any time thinking of the revert: worst thing that could happen is being challenged on the talk page, which could then be ignored without consequences. I think its obvious how this harms editors from underrepresented groups, and why they describe this as harassment.
What I don't understand is why, for example, an editor could be blocked for adding spam systematically, but doing a few deletions with meaninglessly short comments and refusing to substantiate them on the talk page would result in a warning at best? Surely both are equally destructive? PaulT2022 (talk) 23:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PaulT2022: Wikipedia has processes for when an editor does not reply, yet continues to revert; are you having this issue? --VersaceSpace 🌃 00:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @VersaceSpace thank you. Asking about a slightly different situation: when an editor reverts something once, then doesn't reply and doesn't attempt to revert re-added content again; then they might revert something else in the same article, and the story repeats, or go to another article and do reversions there etc. So there would be a pattern of deletions without clear reason and intent to discuss, but no edit warring. PaulT2022 (talk) 00:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PaulT2022: edit warring only takes place on one article. There are some exceptions to that but its very uncommon for edit wars to take place through several articles. In my view, however, statements like WP:OR and WP:UNDUE are perfectly acceptable reasons to revert something. If someone doesn't get what that means, they could simply read the links. --VersaceSpace 🌃 00:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @VersaceSpace I apologise if I was unclear in describing the situation. Obviously, there's no issue with using WP: acronyms in edit comments. However, I've seen WP:OR used when the OR wasn't obvious - followed by refusal to explain how the source could be summarised in the view of the editor who claimed OR. PaulT2022 (talk) 00:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- PaulT2022, in those cases, that's someone breaking the rules. --VersaceSpace 🌃 01:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @VersaceSpace I apologise if I was unclear in describing the situation. Obviously, there's no issue with using WP: acronyms in edit comments. However, I've seen WP:OR used when the OR wasn't obvious - followed by refusal to explain how the source could be summarised in the view of the editor who claimed OR. PaulT2022 (talk) 00:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PaulT2022. At its heart, Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia, but also a never-ending discussion about the sum of human knowledge. There are going to be some outgoing and friendly people, and there are going to be some less-so individuals. But there’s no way around that, because most of us (I presume) are trying to help the site, not hurt it. WP:BRD isn’t going to work every time, but you can try to resolve the problem by going to the resolution noticeboard. There’s always going to be some sour eggs here, but we have to work with them nonetheless. But if they persistently aren’t willing to discuss their actions, then they might have to be sent to the WP:Drama board. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 00:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PaulT2022: edit warring only takes place on one article. There are some exceptions to that but its very uncommon for edit wars to take place through several articles. In my view, however, statements like WP:OR and WP:UNDUE are perfectly acceptable reasons to revert something. If someone doesn't get what that means, they could simply read the links. --VersaceSpace 🌃 00:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @VersaceSpace thank you. Asking about a slightly different situation: when an editor reverts something once, then doesn't reply and doesn't attempt to revert re-added content again; then they might revert something else in the same article, and the story repeats, or go to another article and do reversions there etc. So there would be a pattern of deletions without clear reason and intent to discuss, but no edit warring. PaulT2022 (talk) 00:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I was also new learner one day. My edits were was deleted. Bcos I wasn't correct. Then I went through many helpful videos on YouTube to understand Wikipedia guidelines, what to edit, how to edit and many more things. I suggest to take thorough knowledge and then start the editing. Best luck. Shwetamits (talk) 08:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Publishing a Wiki Article
I have been working on a Wiki Article. It currently in my sandbox. I would like to get input and share with the community. What do I do? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fireman_Creative/sandbox Fireman Creative (talk) 02:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello there Fireman! I suggest moving your sandbox content into a draft and reviewing the article to make sure it meets the manual of style. You should certainly read Help:Your first article before doing any of these things though. When you think it is ready, submit your draft through the Articles for creation process. It will allow other editors to assess its quality for publication. Cheers! CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 03:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Bits of it look suitable, Fireman Creative, but much of it is a text dump from elsewhere. Even if there's no copyright-related impediment to reproduction, the material doesn't suit an encyclopedia. So cut, cut, cut. And a tip: instead of multiple references to "Dawson, Charles (1889). Our Fireman. Pittsburgh, PA: Henry Fenno", have just one, with no page number. Call it repeatedly, each time supplementing it with the "Rp" template for the page number(s). -- Hoary (talk) 08:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Will do. The materials are very interesting and again because many of these texts are not digitized-nor has the information been read in over a hundred years- they make for great learning. One thing to note is the pre-digital roles encyclopedias played in publishing information. In the information age- finding sources that tell unique histories is quite unique. If you do a Google search on Pittsburgh old structures and Fire Department histories there is very little to find. I will edit edit edit but removing the interesting information will make this article ordinary and because of the wealth of accurate information that is not digitized- it will be a big loss to the world. Again, I may just need to start reworking this content as a magazine article- get it published and then reference the article in a less interesting Wiki article. Thak you for the links- I have been reading the manual of style. Fireman Creative (talk) 17:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Fireman Creative, you might want to check out Wikisource - there's a link to the actual site in the infobox. It would be the perfect place to upload scans of copyright-free historical texts, making them electronically available to the world. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Will do. The materials are very interesting and again because many of these texts are not digitized-nor has the information been read in over a hundred years- they make for great learning. One thing to note is the pre-digital roles encyclopedias played in publishing information. In the information age- finding sources that tell unique histories is quite unique. If you do a Google search on Pittsburgh old structures and Fire Department histories there is very little to find. I will edit edit edit but removing the interesting information will make this article ordinary and because of the wealth of accurate information that is not digitized- it will be a big loss to the world. Again, I may just need to start reworking this content as a magazine article- get it published and then reference the article in a less interesting Wiki article. Thak you for the links- I have been reading the manual of style. Fireman Creative (talk) 17:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Is this worthy of an edit?
Someone has been following me around saying that a man should always be listed before a woman. I'm confused by this. It's clear that either the man or woman can get listed first, since there are many articles that have either one first. The page I edited previously did not mention the parents. I added a new sentence to include the parents' names. It read:
"She was the daughter of Klara, née Kammer, and Theodor Gotzmann, a director of the Reichsbank."
The person who has been following my edits changed it to:
"She was the daughter of Theodor Gotzmann, a director of the Reichsbank, and his wife Klara, née Kammer."
Not only does it sound worse and flows awkwardly now, it's splitting up their names. Klara and Theodor Gotzmann reads easier than Theodor Gotzmann and Klara. Putting his profession at the end is easier to read as well. However, someone changed my edit simply because he believes the man should be first. I'm confused by this and I think this is destructive. It's a useless edit for personal reasons, and it distrupts the flow. Is this harmful editing? It's scary because he is threatening to block my account when literally all I did was add "Maria and Thomas Holl" to an article. He is threatening to block me from editing because it's apparently important that I say "Thomas Holl and Maria" instead. I didn't even notice. I have put the father's name first in my edits when I thought it made more sense. I don't know what to do. I need to make sure putting the father first is not a wikipedia rule that I'm breaking, because that is what the person is telling me and saying he will block me for.
Emmy Gotzmann is the page. Thank you for all your help. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Helpfulwikieditoryay: The only block threats I see are for edit warring and possibly using alternate accounts inappropriately. Don't engage in an edit war. Its clear that things are not going well between you and the other editors. I suggest staying away from these types of edits until things cool down and then restarting the discussion to get consensus on your proposed changes. RudolfRed (talk) 04:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I stopped editing on pages where he reverted. He didn't gain consensus, but I'm not going to continue editing. I don't think he's saying it's edit warring, because I haven't touched those edits in several days and I told him repeatedly I won't again. He randomly accused me of using an alternate account. The problem I have is the specific edit he made on the page I linked. I need some guidance on that. I don't know why he keeps reverting my edits. The specific thing he threatened to block me for was including "Maria and Thomas Holl" in an article. That's what I'm confused about. He is saying I'm "reversing" the order of the parents, because he believes a man needs to be first, when I did not reverse anything. Thank you for your reply. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 04:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Helpfulwikieditoryay the user you are speaking of appears to be User:DrKay, an administrator. Judging by the other editors commenting on your talk page, I suggest that you listen to the advice of others because further problems could be interpreted as WP:Disruptive editing. If you feel like your actions are being unfairly judged, please tell the editor that you feel as such civilly. Try and diffuse the debate at the article talk page. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 05:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! What I'm confused about is why the user is threatening to ban for for adding the parents' names of the article subject. I happened to put the mother first, because that was the way it was written when I read the info and cited it in the article. This specifically is what I am being threatened to be banned over. The user reversed my edit to put the father first, and then accused me of reversing the names when I didn't reverse anything, I just wrote the names. I think his edits are against wiki rules. I also believe his use of power over me to threaten to ban me over his opinion is against the rules. I have not gotten any advice on this. That's why I'm asking here. I want to ask someone if it's a bannable offense to list a mother then father. And why is he reversing the edit? Why can he reverse it after I wrote it because he wants the man first, but I can't write new info if the mother is first? I want to ask if his behavior is ok. I haven't receieved any guidance on this, but this user is harassing me tremendously. Is there somewhere we can ask? Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Helpfulwikieditoryay the user you are speaking of appears to be User:DrKay, an administrator. Judging by the other editors commenting on your talk page, I suggest that you listen to the advice of others because further problems could be interpreted as WP:Disruptive editing. If you feel like your actions are being unfairly judged, please tell the editor that you feel as such civilly. Try and diffuse the debate at the article talk page. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 05:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I stopped editing on pages where he reverted. He didn't gain consensus, but I'm not going to continue editing. I don't think he's saying it's edit warring, because I haven't touched those edits in several days and I told him repeatedly I won't again. He randomly accused me of using an alternate account. The problem I have is the specific edit he made on the page I linked. I need some guidance on that. I don't know why he keeps reverting my edits. The specific thing he threatened to block me for was including "Maria and Thomas Holl" in an article. That's what I'm confused about. He is saying I'm "reversing" the order of the parents, because he believes a man needs to be first, when I did not reverse anything. Thank you for your reply. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 04:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Conflict of interest?
Hello!
I'm interning with a well-established company and planning to write a very neutral, unbiased wikipedia article about them so that there's more readily available information about them online. The article is not intended to be promotional, but simply the nuts and bolts of their origins as a company, their most notable accomplishments, etc. Is it okay for me to write this page at all? They're a very notable company in their field, which makes me feel that wikipedia would have something to gain from a well-written article about them too.
Other questions:
Would I be able to include information that lacks a source external to the company itself? Or, does that sort of information need to be published elsewhere before it's usable?
How might I go about declaring my conflict of interest? Bstro18 (talk) 05:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Bstro18, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for coming here and asking, rather than just plunging into doing this.
- First, please notice that "so that there's more readily available information about them online" is promotion, as Wikipedia uses the term. Wikipedia is not for telling the world about things, it's for summarising what the world has already been told about things.
- Having said that, you are allowed to try this: but you might find it harder and more frustrating than you expect.
- First, as you say, you have a conflict of interest: in fact, you are regarded as a paid editor, (whether your internship is actually paid or not), and it is mandatory to make a declaration as specified in that link.
- Then you should read your first article, and seek the reliable independent sources which are required to demonstrate that your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - if you can't find them, then give up and don't waste any further effort.
- If you find the sources, create a draft and start writing. You will need to forget everything you know about the company, and write based only on what those indepdendent sources say - even if those sources say things that you and your employers don't like. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
About Decline of Page
I Have created a new page of an Upcoming Movie named Naar Ka Sur and have provided the required references as well but still it got Declined. Why? Whizofficial (talk) 07:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- As explained following the "decline" notice:
That may be moot, however. Have you considered whether this film would meet the notability guidelines for enwiki? Fabrickator (talk) 07:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)sources need to be placed after the content they support
- Further, Whizofficial, the text you have written is promotional. "
Naar Ka Sur has already received so much of love and appreciation from the audience that they are showing their excitement about the trailer and the song
." If a published source, wholly unconnected with the film's production and promotion, has said this, then it could appear in an article, appropriately quoted and cited. Otherwise, such language does not belong in any Wikipedia article. - Also, given your user name, and the fact that your only edits in Wikipedia appear to be to promote this film, I need to ask, what is your connection with the film? If you are in any way connected with it, you need to be aware of the guidelines on conflict of interest. If you are in any way paid or employed in connection with this film or its producers or publicists, then it is mandatory to declare yourself as a paid editor. ColinFine (talk) 09:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Testex
Hello!
I've been having an issue with the Testex article. First, full disclosure: I'm an employee of Testex and work on the article on their behalf (I have also disclosed the paid editing on my user page). I want to create a proper article - not some marketing text - and thus put a lot of work and effort into composing a well-sourced text based on reliable secondary literature. This is my text. I've already made the changes to the existing article, but an editor reverted it and told me that I should make suggestions on the talk page instead of making large-scale additions to the article itself. There seems to be no Wikipedia policy that supports that, so what shall I do? I have proposed my edit on the talk page but no one has reacted, and I frankly don't know what's wrong my text addition. I'd really appreciate any help, feedback, or criticism, because I wish to improve the text in case that it contains errors or doesn't comply with Wikipedia's policies. Best regards, --Gotthard175 (talk) 08:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Gotthard175 Please review the conflict of interest policy, specifically this portion which states "you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly" and "you may propose changes on talk pages (by using the request edit template), or by posting a note at the COI noticeboard, so that they can be peer reviewed" 331dot (talk) 08:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Gotthard175. You probably would be better off following the advice given in Wikipedia:Edit request and making smaller easy to assess edit requests instead of trying to get the article essentially rewritten in one fell swoop. The users who tend to help out with edit requests are probably not going to want to read through a total rewrite trying to figure out what's different. It's also probably going to be seen as inappropriate and possibly not very respectful to ask a reviewer to toss out the current version in favor of the one you've written no matter how good your intentions are per WP:BABY since essentially you'd be asking for a de-facto deletion of all of the edits made by others over the years. It's fine to suggest specific improvements to the existing article, but it's also probably wise try to WP:PRESERVE as much of the existing article as possible. It might already be a "proper" article for Wikipedia's purposes and just needs polishing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Changing categories
Hi! I've recently started working a bit on categories for members of academies and learned societies. Typically the category is called "Members of the <name of academy or society>" and this might be in the category "<name of academy or society>" together with other pages related to the academy/society. This makes sense I think, but today I came across an academy that only has a category "<name of academy>" where both the main page and members are listed. I would like to create a new category "Members of the <name of academy>" within the existing one and then move all the members to the new category. It's less than 20 people so it is not much work right now. Is this considered okay? SakurabaJun (talk) 08:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi SakurabaJun. You might find some general guidance on this in Wikipedia:Categorization or you might try asking specific questions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories. You could also try being WP:BOLD and create a new category if you think it needs to be created; if someone comes along and disagrees with you, then perhaps you can figure out what to do then through talk page discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Marchjuly! -- SakurabaJun (talk) 00:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Deletion
Hi
Yesterday I tried to get the article Cryptography newsgroups speedy deleted under the lack of notability web criteria. This was removed because the article was too old. Now I still think this article should be deleted, but I don't really know how to proceed; is it better to be on the safe side and do AfD? Or is it so uncontroversial that PROD would be fine?
I feel like its hard to know if the deletion of an article is uncontroversial without initiating deletion. Stowgull (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy deletion is not appropriate just because the article desn't cite any sources. As the admin said,
please use WP:PROD or WP:AFD for an article that is 18 years old
(when Wikipedia rules were a lot less strict). It is usually preferable to try to find sources than simply delete such an article. Shantavira|feed me 10:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
deleting wikipedia user account
please guide me to delete my duplicate user account Plannerakc (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Plannerakc Hello and welcome. It is not possible to delete an account, for technical and legal reasons. Simply stop using and abandon your duplicate account. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Reference
How to convert Wikipedia English references to e.g. Portuguese language? Regards, Wname1 (talk) 10:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Wname1, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not clear to me what you are asking. Are you asking about translating a Wikipedia article to add it to pt-wiki, and wanting to know how to convert the references? If so, you'll need to refer to pt:WP:CITE. If it uses a citation template, you'll need to replace that by the corresponding portuguese template: see pt:Categoria:!Predefinições para referências.
- If you mean something else, you'll have to clarify. ColinFine (talk) 10:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- As an example: on the English espresso page there are 46 references ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso ) each of the references I must translate once each time, as in "Wikipédia:Livro de estilo/Cite as fontes", yes? Wname1 (talk) 10:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Wants to create a page
Hello, Can anyone help me to create a page Satheshrm (talk) 10:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Satheshrm, see WP:YFA for guidance. Keep in mind that the article has to be sourced with reliable sources. Kpddg (talk) 10:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. All the sources are reliable. and this is for a famous celebrity in the indian music industry. I need to create a page for him. Can you create the page? Satheshrm (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Satheshrm, you can use our article wizard to create an article. Please ensure that you have read the relevant policies such as Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Verifiability Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Reliable sources and also Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. --Bears (talk) 11:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:V.V._Subrahmanyam
- I have added a draft. Is this correct format? Can you help to complete this? Satheshrm (talk) 11:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Satheshrm, there is no need to bold so many sentences, doing so for only the name in the first sentence is enough. The draft does not have enough reliable sources and inline citations, other than The Hindu. And references should not just be passing mentions. Also check whether the subject is notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Further, maintain a neutral point of view and avoid WP:PUFFERY. Kpddg (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Satheshrm, you can use our article wizard to create an article. Please ensure that you have read the relevant policies such as Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Verifiability Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Reliable sources and also Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. --Bears (talk) 11:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. All the sources are reliable. and this is for a famous celebrity in the indian music industry. I need to create a page for him. Can you create the page? Satheshrm (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Satheshrm - Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be co-authors. That said, for Draft:V.V. Subrahmanyam, I removed the bolding and created sections. The rest is on you. David notMD (talk) 12:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Satheshrm: I would strongly suggest reading Easy referencing for beginners, as there are no inline citations (which are needed). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
uploading a video
HI I need assistance on how to upload a video 아미나 추바히로 (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- 아미나 추바히로, Have you seen this? -- Hoary (talk) 12:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, 아미나 추바히로! To upload your own or a freely licensed video, go to Wikimedia Commons and go to the upload form at Special:Upload, or read the instructions at c:Project:Video#Uploading a video. Please note that it should comply with Commons' project scope. If you want to upload a non-free video, please read Wikipedia's non-free content criteria first, then upload directly on Wikipedia using the File Upload Wizard. As Hoary said above, though, Commons only accepts WebM (.webm), Ogg Theora (.ogv), or MPEG1/MPEG2 for video clips. Thanks! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Upload a picture that is my work but also published on other websites
Hi! How can I upload a picture that is my work but is already found on articles? How can I proove it is my work? Followyoursoul (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Followyoursoul. What do you mean by
articles
? Do you mean Wikipedia articles? If it's already being used in Wikipedia articles, then there's no reason to upload it again. How did other people obtain your work? Did you grant them permission to use it? Did you post it somewhere online first and they got it from there? They had to have gotten it somehow and what you're going to likely need to do to establish it's your own work is to somehow prove that they got the work from you in someway. One way of doing this would be to establish that you did publish the picture somewhere before anyone else started using it. Another way might be provide some evidence in which these other people state they got the picture from you. You might also want to take a look at c:COM:Own work and WP:COPYVIO#Information for copyright owners for reference as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Citing Legislation and/or Laws
How can an editor quickly and conveniently cite legislation? I am asking because, I was editing the UK politics page, looking to update information on Northern Irish election dates, and the only source I could find describing Northern Irish election dates was the Northern Ireland Act 1998... 30 chapters in. My solution to this was to just cite the entire Act and leave the chapter and section numbers in my edit description, is the proper way to do this or is there a better way? ApatheticName (talk) 12:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ApatheticName – I think there is a better way. If the legislation is a book, you can use {{cite book}}. There will be a
|chapter=
field, where you will simply type "30". You can also read Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Referencing for beginners for more information. Thanks! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 12:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)- There exists Template:Cite legislation UK for that. Note that Chapter (=47) has a specific meaning, different to that used above. -- zzuuzz (talk) 13:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Redirect in my sandbox.
I want to create a new article concerning a former president of Delaware State University. I created a couple of other articles last year -- my first time as an article creator. I did so by writing in the Sandbox. I clicked on the Sandbox to start the article I now want to create, but I found that the Sandbox is a redirect page for one of the previous articles I wrote last year. How do a establish a fresh sandbox to create the new article?https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cholmes58/sandbox&redirect=no Cholmes58 (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Cholmes58. It's your sandbox, so you could just go in and blank it or place new material into it before "publishing changes". However, if your intention is to create a new draft article, I'd suggest using the WP:AFC process whereby you create the draft in the area normally used for new stuff that needs to be reviewed before acceptance into the main encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Plagiarism
can you be IP blocked for plagiarism? RandomDude6 (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Any editor can be blocked for persistent copyright violations, if that's what you mean. Shantavira|feed me 13:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Question about Wiktionary
Why can't we link words to Wiktionary, words that might be unfamiliar to general readers but don't have Wikipedia articles? Is it for technical or philosophical reasons? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 14:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- What's wrong with {{Wikt-lang}}? ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I don't understand. I went to {{wikt-lang}, but its about a template. My original question stands. (Left off a parenthesis in example because an error message popped up.) Pete Best Beatles (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Pete Best Beatles: This is explained in the page Shantavira linked to below, but bascially you will need to tell the software to go to the sister project for the relevant page, and the way you do this is by using the sister project's shortcut code in the link syntax. For example, if I want to add a link to the Wikitionary entry for the word apple, I would format the link like
[[:wikt:Apple|apple]]
so that when the reader clicks on "apple" it takes them to the Wikitionary entry for the word and not the Wikipedia article about the fruit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)- Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know. I did check out his link, but I didn't know how to use the code. I wonder why I haven't seen this in use before... -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 01:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Pete Best Beatles: This is explained in the page Shantavira linked to below, but bascially you will need to tell the software to go to the sister project for the relevant page, and the way you do this is by using the sister project's shortcut code in the link syntax. For example, if I want to add a link to the Wikitionary entry for the word apple, I would format the link like
- I'm sorry, but I don't understand. I went to {{wikt-lang}, but its about a template. My original question stands. (Left off a parenthesis in example because an error message popped up.) Pete Best Beatles (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- See also Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects#How_to_link. Shantavira|feed me 15:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia page
It is my great pleasure to talk to you. I want to make a Wikipedia page for my company. May I know the procedure. Sumitgigde (talk) 16:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Sumitgigde: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place to promote your business. If an article is written about your company, you will have no control over it. An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sir I want get link from Wikipedia. May I know the correct way Sumitgigde (talk) 16:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Your company is not notable and your attempts to spam it on talk pages is disruptive. Please stop. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Sumitgigde Hi there! In order for an encyclopedia article about a company to be included on Wikipedia, the company must meet the criteria detailed at WP:NCORP. Many companies do not meet these criteria. GoingBatty (talk) 22:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sir I want get link from Wikipedia. May I know the correct way Sumitgigde (talk) 16:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
You have inserted a hyperlink for gigde.com into several articles and a Talk page, all of which have been reverted as spam. If you continue this forbidden practice, you will be indefintely blocked. You also created a very short draft Draft:Sumit about yourself, with no references. This was Declined. The only way there can be an article about you or the company is if people with no connection to you have published content about the company or you in reliable sources that can be used as references. Is such content does not exist, please stop, as all you are doing is wasting the time of volunteers draft reviewers. Lastly, you wrote "my company", but on the company website you are not named as part of the Team. Are you an employee? Special rules apply. See WP:PAID. David notMD (talk) 01:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
GALE IDs in newspaper citations
In the article London's last tram week, there are citations to references from The Times newspaper, among others. I obtained these references from non-digital copies of the newspaper in my local public library. I later found that the newspapers in question are available in digital form in the GALE on-line database. So I tried to add the relevant GALE IDs to the citations, using the example in the Template:Gale documentation as a model.
Here is how one of the citations now appears:
- "Street Tramways". The Times. London. 26 May 1869. p. 10. Gale CS168995002.
I have two questions. (1) Is this a reasonable thing to do - given that not everyone will have access to GALE (it needs either a paid subscription or access via a library or institution; I accessed it via the Wikipedia Library)? (2) Does the format look right to you? I couldn't find any examples in other articles to compare it to.
Thanks in advance for any advice. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mike Marchmont, (1) yes, (2) yes. A Gale (or ProQuest or Project MUSE, etc.) link to a restricted source is useful to some readers; the absence of it isn't useful for anyone. Schazjmd (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Schazjmd, thanks very much for your fast response, which is reassuring. And also for the mention of ProQuest and Project MUSE, which I shall keep in mind for future research. Mike Marchmont (talk) 17:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Red highlighting
Why are some terms and names highlighted in red? Augnablik (talk) 17:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hey, @Augnablik! Welcome to the Teahouse! We call those red links, and they signify that the article they link to doesn't exist. For example, this article exists, but this one doesn't. Usually, these links indicate good topics that need an article, but don't yet have one. More info is available at WP:RED. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 17:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- So, Bsoyka, a red link is one that an editor used but it doesn't work ... as contrasted with a topic that should have had a link but doesn't? Augnablik (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, a red link is simply a link to a page that doesn't exist. Maybe the editor mistyped the link (Caat instead of Cat), maybe it's a link to a page that doesn't exist yet but they think it should (like List of Most Awesome Astronomical Objects, I think that would be great), maybe it's a link to page that shouldn't exist ever (199.208.172.35 is the best IP editor of all time), or maybe it's a page that once existed but got deleted. There are many reasons why a red link might exist. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- So, Bsoyka, a red link is one that an editor used but it doesn't work ... as contrasted with a topic that should have had a link but doesn't? Augnablik (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Hi there! In your case, if you create the page User:Augnablik with some information about you, then your username will display blue text instead of red. For more information, see WP:User pages. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Help with blockquote paragraph break
Can someone please help me make a normal paragraph break in the text bellow (the current spacing seems about 1.5 times wider than a normal paragraph break).
At the head of the procession is a youth of some sixteen or seventeen years bearing the standard with the symbols of the sun and other heavenly bodies. His figure is a beautiful presentment of budding manhood, and is perfect in its contour. The skin is dark, but glows with the vigour of young life. The features and the head betoken intelligence and earnestness. The whole pose has a distinction and a virility quite ennobling; he is indeed a puer viriliter, such as was the model of Polykleitos's "Diadumenos." He is nude save only for a loose embroidered drapery of reddish purple, which drooping over his shoulder envelops his loins. His dark hair is crowned with laurels and he wears light sandals.
Behind him marches the majestic figure of the Daphnephoros or Laurel-bearer, towering above his fellow-processionists, as a fit type of the priest of the God of the Sun. He is youthful, and his fine figure, displaying almost heroic limbs beneath his vesture, is surmounted by a splendid head, full of the mental force of manhood and of the fire of devotion. His hair is black, but his skin is lighter than that of his young herald in front. He wears a golden diadem of many points and a heavy crown of laurel. In one hand he carries the consecrated branch of laurel, and with the other he gathers up into rich folds the trailing length of his creamy-white, gold-embroidered vestment. His feet are sandalled also and are, as are all the feet in the procession, exact examples of perfect form.
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 17:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Uploading images
Not sure whether this question should go under Help Desk or Policy at the "Village Pump" instead of here— but since the Teahouse is for newcomers and I'm still one, I'll go ahead here.
I wanted to upload several photos, one of the person who is the subject of an article I'm editing, and others that would be of interest to the topic of the article. Each time I get a notice that seems to say I can't do it unless it's a photo I myself took or I have some sort of permission to use it. But there are lots of photos throughout Wikipedia articles. If editors choose photos judiciously and give proper attribution, why the barrier?
I did notice, and looked at, some ancillary information that seemed to say it's possible, but I found it somewhat confusing. Augnablik (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Attribution doesn't negate copyright - attribution is required for compatibly licensed images, but giving attribution for a copyrighted image (ie. not pd or CC by 4.0) doesn't mean we can use it. So unless you own the copyright or can demonstrate it's compatibly licensed, it cannot be uploaded. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, for more specifics, here's a link to the image use policy: Wikipedia:Image use policy#Identifying usable images. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I realize there's a distinction between types of images, but I was thinking of only ones that are in places like articles, books, etc. — ones that we see referenced all the time in publications, just like quotations of text. I'll read the information at the link you sent, and thanks for it, but I just wanted to make that clear. Augnablik (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Images that you see in books, especially, have gotten clearance from the copyright holders-- often by the book publisher paying a negotiated license fee to each copyright holder. You can't simply upload images that you find on various web pages to WP; most such images are copyrighted. The images in WP articles are in ths public domain, or licensed with one of the acceptable Creative Commons licenses, or are used under the documented rules for "fair use". If you click on any WP image, you will see information about the image, including its copyright status. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I realize there's a distinction between types of images, but I was thinking of only ones that are in places like articles, books, etc. — ones that we see referenced all the time in publications, just like quotations of text. I'll read the information at the link you sent, and thanks for it, but I just wanted to make that clear. Augnablik (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Self Made
In Wikipedia, not everyone should be famous if they would like to make a wikipage about themselves, and should be done as such. Authenticity is important, especially as a freelance photographer. I feel it is degrading and illegal because it about free speech? Or is that no longer allowed in America? I am speaking on behalf of myself and the company and people I have worked for. People could steal and screen shot my images in this day and age. I would love the wiki page to help and get freelance artist without the big budget the help they deserve. Realjamesgalan (talk) 18:32, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia isn't a country, and it isn't exclusive to America. I suggest you take a brief read of what the First Amendment actually says because you don't seem to understand. Free speech means the government cannot persecute (or prosecute) you for dissent or expressing your opinions. It doesn't mean that anyone else has to put up with it and it doesn't mean that it's protected from consequence, especially from private individuals, organizations or companies. Tl;dr Wikipedia isn't the government and your argument is pointless. 1A isn't insulation from consequence. PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Realjamesgalan: Hi, and welcome. In the United States, where the WMF's servers are, the first amendment gives citizens free speech. That means that the government
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press
(from the constitution). However, free speech doesn't mean the WMF (which is not the government) has to keep everything someone wants to keep on its servers. Also, it isn't recommended to write about yourself, because then you would have a conflict of interest. However, if you really want to, please check notability first to see if you are notable enough, and be sure to write neutrally. Hope this helps. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 18:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC) - @Realjamesgalan: This ought to explain the fatal flaw in your argument, if the words from Praxidicae and weeklyd3 aren't sinking in. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Realjamesgalan. I have checked and have found no evidence that you are a notable person. This is an encyclopedia and self promotion simply isn't allowed here. There are plenty of social media sites and blogging platforms where you can promote your photography. So, try Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, Pinterest and so on. Cullen328 (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Notable person in your own opinion. I lived in England, traveled Europe, taken photos there and lived in Las Vegas, took photos for plenty of famous people there but the work goes uncredited. I have videos shaking Drakes hand, @ on twitter by Virgil Abloh himself, did a BTS with 50 Cent at CnT in the art district of Las Vegas and the list goes on for NDA. Freelancers and underground photographers such as myself must prevail against the words such as yours. We find "No evidence" it's because were too busy getting the evidence for others. Self promotion? NO. My article was explaining what I do and who I work for aka Myself and tech company who makes DJ Helmets for well known artist which is all under NDA speaking for "Evidence" So how in the backend of things am I self promoting when i'm speaking that I work with high end clients but can't seem to redeem myself for a simple wiki page. I understand that it highly not suggested but never said it was not allowed? I am on twitter, instagram. Do I have to pay a third party company for non biased information but somehow feed them the information about me? This is not an argument and I'm not upset but merely confused. Notablitiy goes unnoticed when your doing your job as a photographer correctly. But the photo work is being seen and used by others. On websites, other pages, but credited improperly so might as well tell the truth. So no bias accounts were ever mentioned or even lack of information. Where I was born, and what I do. Simply that is it. Now i'm in the works of creating my own website to publish more of my work in the safe space. Realjamesgalan (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Realjamesgalan, there is no evidence available through a good faith Google search that you are currently notable as Wikipedia defines that term, and therefore you are not eligible for a Wikipedia biography. We are not interested in your reminiscences about your life. We are interested in only one thing: whether or not independent, reliable sources have devoted significant coverage to you specifically. When we say independent we mean 100% independent. If you pay somebody to repackage information that you feed to them, that is not independent. That will not fly on Wikipedia. Do not waste your money. You are young and just beginning your career. Maybe in a couple of years, you will be notable. Not now. Cullen328 (talk) 22:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Realjamesgalan, the definition of "notability" here differs from most people's. Clearly it differs from yours, and it certainly differs from mine. But Wikipedia-defined "notability" is what's required. You're free to complain about this, but your complaints here will get you nowhere. (For a chance of success, try interesting a journalist in the matter.) All the best with your website. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Realjamesgalan: For more information on Wikipedia's definition of "notability", you may read Wikipedia:Notability (people). Creating your own web site to explain what you do and who you work for sounds like a great idea! GoingBatty (talk) 22:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, @Realjamesgalan:. If you feel that your work is significant, and is being used by others without credit to you (both ideas possibly quite reasonable) then, in addition to the suggestions others have made before me--i.e., availing yourself of social media sites (which Wikipedia is not) or setting up your own website--you might consider registering your work for copyright. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Realjamesgalan: For more information on Wikipedia's definition of "notability", you may read Wikipedia:Notability (people). Creating your own web site to explain what you do and who you work for sounds like a great idea! GoingBatty (talk) 22:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Notable person in your own opinion. I lived in England, traveled Europe, taken photos there and lived in Las Vegas, took photos for plenty of famous people there but the work goes uncredited. I have videos shaking Drakes hand, @ on twitter by Virgil Abloh himself, did a BTS with 50 Cent at CnT in the art district of Las Vegas and the list goes on for NDA. Freelancers and underground photographers such as myself must prevail against the words such as yours. We find "No evidence" it's because were too busy getting the evidence for others. Self promotion? NO. My article was explaining what I do and who I work for aka Myself and tech company who makes DJ Helmets for well known artist which is all under NDA speaking for "Evidence" So how in the backend of things am I self promoting when i'm speaking that I work with high end clients but can't seem to redeem myself for a simple wiki page. I understand that it highly not suggested but never said it was not allowed? I am on twitter, instagram. Do I have to pay a third party company for non biased information but somehow feed them the information about me? This is not an argument and I'm not upset but merely confused. Notablitiy goes unnoticed when your doing your job as a photographer correctly. But the photo work is being seen and used by others. On websites, other pages, but credited improperly so might as well tell the truth. So no bias accounts were ever mentioned or even lack of information. Where I was born, and what I do. Simply that is it. Now i'm in the works of creating my own website to publish more of my work in the safe space. Realjamesgalan (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Realjamesgalan. I have checked and have found no evidence that you are a notable person. This is an encyclopedia and self promotion simply isn't allowed here. There are plenty of social media sites and blogging platforms where you can promote your photography. So, try Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn, Pinterest and so on. Cullen328 (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Page rewrites
Hey there! I'm new here and I've been working on a complete rewrite of an article to make it more descriptive and informative. It's on my sandbox and it isn't finished yet; however, when I do get it done for, how would I go about getting something as major as a complete rewrite approved for usage on the actual article? I know it's a bit of an ambitious goal for a newcomer, but I am rather passionate about the article's subject matter and I wish to be able to provide more information about it. Many thanks; Jamtri (talk) 18:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Your rewrite User:Jamtri/sandbox is totally unsourced so not acceptable, it would be best to make incremental changes to the article itself, rather than re-writing, with each change having a reliable independent source. Theroadislong (talk) 19:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that; as I stated before, it isn't finished yet. Your idea does sound good though, I'll think about it. Thanks; Jamtri (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jamtri, TRIS is giving you good advice. In addition you'll find it much easier to create an acceptable article if you add inline citations for every assertion as you write. As it is you're going to have to go back over that article and for literally every assertion find and add a citation.
- You sound like you may be an expert in this subject? FWIW, experts often have a very difficult time here because they tend to want to write from their own knowledge. You can't do that here. We need inline citations for every assertion. valereee (talk) 20:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that the current version of GRLevelX is outdated, and the four references useless. Whenever I've done a major rewrite of an article I have done it incrementally, being clear to describe what I did in Edit summaries. Often, I also first posted my intentions on the Talk page of the article. Each time you revise or add a section, have the references. David notMD (talk) 01:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I've tagged the article, which was largely missing inline citations, to let you see what kinds of support from references we need. It seems to have been created by a single-purpose account in 2009, and it hasn't gotten much attention since then. valereee (talk) 11:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that; as I stated before, it isn't finished yet. Your idea does sound good though, I'll think about it. Thanks; Jamtri (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Requesting creation of a location map
Hi everyone! I was wondering if someone could create the location map of the city of Islamabad or the Islamabad Capital Territory, so that it appears under Module:Location map/data/Pakistan Islamabad. Thanks in advance! Toofllab (talk) 18:56, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Toofllab: Welcome to the Teahouse! In case you don't find any mapmakers here, you might want to try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Articles for creation
I am an extended confirmed user. The Welcome to Articles for creation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation) page says:
"Established users in good standing, however, are encouraged to not clutter up the AfC queue with pages that do not need support or guidance from AfC reviewers.
However, when it do a search (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search) for an article that I might consider writing I get this message:
"The page "(the name I enter)" does not exist. You can create a draft and submit it for review,...
Has my account been marked is some way to cause this? BuffaloBob (talk) 20:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BuffaloBob: When you view the search result, the name I enter should be in red for nonexistent articles. Use that link to open the edit form for that page. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BuffaloBob: The message you see is this as found here. It is a system message and is shown to all users when that query is searched. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- As Victor Schmidt said, simply click the redlink that is shown and you will be prompted to create it. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- I see, my error as I had submitted, without reading the caution, my last article, fairly simple one, in AfC, and thought that might have changed my status. Thanks for your help. BuffaloBob (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- As Victor Schmidt said, simply click the redlink that is shown and you will be prompted to create it. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 20:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Pageviews and wikilinks
When a reader visits a new article using a wikilink, does the new article receive a pageview? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Pete Best Beatles: When a reader visits an article (new or old, using a wikilink or from another website), the article receives a pageview. For more information, see Wikipedia:Pageview statistics. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Copying within Wikipedia when creating a new article
Hello, I am currently working on a draft for an article covering a media franchise for which the two major entries (Team Fortress Classic and Team Fortress 2) already have very well established articles, and as a result a majority of my draft will likely end up consisting of copying and rephrasing large blocks of text from these preexisting articles. I've read through WP:COPYWITHIN but it only seems to cover what to do when copying text into a preexisting article and to my understanding the creation of a page entails copying over the text from the sandbox in what is essentially a single edit, therefore severing it from the edit history of the sandbox that originated it. Does this mean I will have to attach a dummy edit listing the sources as soon as the draft is accepted or is there a more convenient way? Orchastrattor (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Orchastrattor: When the draft is approved, it is moved not copied, so all the history stays with it. thanks being aware of the copyright and attribution requirements. RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @RudolfRed Thank you, but then that raises a different question in that I had already used my user sandbox to test out some wiki syntax before blanking it and starting work on my draft. Does the moving process have some way of discriminating between relevant and irrelevant edits when transferring the page history? Orchastrattor (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Orchastrattor I think that the best thing for you to do is to create a Draft using the WP:AFC process, giving it the new name you intend to use. That will create a fresh edit history. Then you can copy-paste whatever parts of the other articles you want to use, with edit summaries like "Copied from Team Fortress Classic, see that article's edit history for attribution" and so on until you are happy with everything. Then you can either submit the draft for review or WP:MOVE it yourself into Mainspace. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @RudolfRed Thank you, but then that raises a different question in that I had already used my user sandbox to test out some wiki syntax before blanking it and starting work on my draft. Does the moving process have some way of discriminating between relevant and irrelevant edits when transferring the page history? Orchastrattor (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Is worlddata.info a reliable source?
I saw an edit request sourced by a worlddata.info page. I am doubtful as to whether or not the website counts as a WP:RS as I couldn't find any peer revies, the site is not scholarly, and that the site cites the origins of its sources but not the sources themselves. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Aaron Liu: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can try asking at the reliable sources noticeboard to see if anyone has any input as to the site's reliability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:14, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Entry Declined
I get the messege that your article looks like Advertisement. I had written two lines and had given supportive links also. I am unable to understand how i will make it good so that i can be considered for Entry Article on Wikipedia Dr Zakir Malik Bhallesi (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- At Draft:Zakir Malik Bhallesi, the award is not prestigious enough to support notability. Per Wikipedia:Notability (people), there is no evidence that Bhallesi qualifies as Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 05:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dr Zakir Malik Bhallesi: Welcome to the Teahouse. Nothing in the draft establishes notability, which is why it looks like the reviewer marked it as promotional. I'll also caution you that writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
How to Submit my Wikipedia Page for Review
I just created a wikipedia page, but I just don't know how to submit it for the review. I would appreciate your kind assistance. Thanks. Pyithu (talk) 05:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- hi @Pyithu and welcome to the teahouse! if you're talking about your draft David Thang Moe, it has been submitted and unfortunately declined. while you're waiting for your review, you should improve your draft by finding reliable (usually published news sources), independent (not from or directly influenced by Moe), and significant coverage of Moe. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 06:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Pyithu. According to Google Scholar, David Thang Moe's most cited paper has only been cited 11 times. It does not seem that he meets the notability guideline for academics. Cullen328 (talk) 06:33, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Self-paced online tutorials?
Now that I'm getting into adding citations on several Wiki articles I'm editing, I'm wondering if Wikipedia offers any self-paced online tutorials available on this sort of thing. That would make understanding and correct application of the information so much easier and avoid mistakes as well as uncomfortable corrections from Wiki powers-that-be later on. Augnablik (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik There is a useful video and lots of other links at Help:Referencing for beginners. I also made a short one some while ago at WP:EASYREFBEGIN. You can find other types of videos at Wikipedia:Instructional material. Hopefully one or more may be of interest to you. Don't worry about making mistakes - so long as it's obvious you made an error in good faith, it doesn't matter. OK - it's never nice having one's edits reverted. But we have >6.2million articles here, so corrections and communication is often abrupt and easily taken the wrong way. See WP:BEBOLD Nick Moyes (talk) 09:35, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Nick! I think that "Referencing for beginners" link you mentioned is the one I started looking at and pretty soon threw my hands up in discouragement ... even though I have a doctorate and am quite used to citations. I'm always grateful when I see that someone has made a training tool because he or she too had difficulty with something that's supposed to work. Augnablik (talk) 08:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik: The Wikipedia adventure is the interactive tutorial. I have heard mostly good things about it, but never tried it myself. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Why were my edits reverted?
Hello everyone, I've made some minor edits to the Video on Demand article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_on_demand). I have tried to structure the information to make it more understandable. But they were reverted. I work with topics: IPTV, OTT, VOD and thought I could share my knowledge here. Could you please help me with some clear information why my edits were reverted? Iitsearcher (talk) 09:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, litsearcher, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits were reverted by a particular editor or editors (I haven't looked). That editor or those editors are the people to ask why. They may have given reasons in their edit summaries; otherwise, ask them on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 09:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- The edits were reverted here by Praxidicae with the comment "spam". I tend to agree with that assessment: your edits did little more than add a link to a blog from a marketing executive at SetPlex (a company selling such a service). (Technically, Praxidicae's edit was a bit more than a revert, they also added a citation to The Verge, a reputable online source.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your help. Iitsearcher (talk) 13:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Changing my previously published edits to Watch This Page status
I've made some major edits on several articles for which I didn't check the Watch This Page box when I published them but now I wish I had. The reason I didn't at the time was because I had previously checked Watch This Page for the articles and thought that would trigger alerts for all future edits if other editors came along later and changed them. Only gradually did it dawn on me that I probably should have checked all my major edits each time I published them. I wouldn't want that to happen! Augnablik (talk) 09:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- The edits should be in your contributions provided the pages haven't been deleted; you can then go to those articles from there and watch those pages. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 09:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik: pages ("articles") are watched in full, not edit-by-edit, so if you did add them to your watchlist in edit #1 then edit #2 should not remove it from your watchlist. There might be some subtle details with temporary watchlisting: if you do edit #1 on January 1st and add the article to the watchlist for 30 days, then do edit #2 on January 15th, the watchlisting will last only until February 1st, not February 15th.
- See Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist to edit your watchlist preferences, and see Help:Watchlist#Controlling_which_pages_are_watched for the manual. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
How to cite a quotation from a dedication or foreword page
Try as I might, I couldn't find any way to cite a quotation from an author's dedication page — one of those up-front pages that has no page number. If I tried to write "Dedication by author" in the Pages field of the citation template, the result would put pp. before the quoted text. Nothing else in the various field choices worked well, either. Eventually, I just left off an attribution for the quote, but I know that's not correct. Augnablik (talk) 10:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I believe all you need to do is add |no-pp=yes to the {{cite book}} reference. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 10:22, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- It may not be relevant for the exact citation you want to use, Augnablik but the {{rp}} template takes any text as a parameter, so you could use {{cite book}} as normal, with something like : i (if the dedication is on page "i") or even : author dedication . Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- As Mike Turnbull intimates above, by convention books whose numbered page "1" is several pages into the book have all preceding pages (called collectively "Front matter", "preliminaries" or "prelims") numbered in lower-case Roman numerals. Sometimes these numerals (or some of them) are actually printed; more often they are not, but can be inferred by physically counting them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.65 (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Google Books
Is this a reliable source? How do you know if a book is reliable enough to be cited in an article? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 12:22, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, @Vortex3427, and welcome to the Teahouse. Generally first you want to look at the publisher, which in this case seems to be Open Court Publishing Company, whose parent company is Carus Publishing Company. Neither company seems to be a vanity press, which means they are likely to be providing some sort of editorial oversight. The second thing to consider is whether the publishing company has some sort of fringe-y point of view that you were trying to insert into an article using this source as a support. What article were you wanting to use it for, and what assertion within that article were you wanting to specifically support? valereee (talk) 13:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm looking for information on a character (Barb from Stranger Things). Would this be regarded as a useful source for analysis and/or factual info? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 05:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Vortex3427, from a quick look at the book's description, it looks like a reasonable source for that. The key issue is always when you get to Stranger Things, and you add something sourced to this book, if you find other editors there object to this book, you can't just argue that since someone at Teahouse said it looked like a reasonable source, they have to allow it. There are 535 watchers on that page, 118 of whom visited recent edits, and the talk page has three archives. You may find you need to discuss this source there. valereee (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm looking for information on a character (Barb from Stranger Things). Would this be regarded as a useful source for analysis and/or factual info? VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 05:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
prevention in posting article
in my recent article lurinjyoti gogoi was added a tag of not touching the notability of the person . but the sources are enough to show the notability. i'm felling like again and again i'm prevented from posting article in wikipedia. I hope anyone who doesn't know anytrhing on the article,just using references , don't try to determine the notability. i don't wanna violate any rules of the website but i at least know who is notable or not Baruahranuj 13:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Baruah ranuj Notability in Wikipedia's somewhat stringent sense (see WP:GNG) has nothing to do with what you or I judge to be notable but rather is something long established by consensus among those who have been creating this encyclopaedia over many years. I note that you have removed the tag on the article which was placed there by Robertsky, who is an experienced new-page reviewer. I suggest that you continue to add reliable secondary sources to the article (which has not been deleted or draftified) so that it might be more likely to survive any deletion discussion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I had explained myself at my talk page, but since @Baruah ranuj is resistant to having the tag on the page, another NPP reviewer will look at the article as it is still in the NPP queue (as of writing of this comment). – robertsky (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's a source on the person's biography. Is it secondary source ?Michael D. Turnbull
- I had explained myself at my talk page, but since @Baruah ranuj is resistant to having the tag on the page, another NPP reviewer will look at the article as it is still in the NPP queue (as of writing of this comment). – robertsky (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Baruahranuj 14:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Baruah ranuj. That link you supplied doesn't work for me but in principle newspaper articles are fine provided they are not based mainly on an interview. If they are, that's a primary source, otherwise, yes, it counts as secondary. Your main problem is to meet the requirements of notability for a politician. I'm no expert but I would say that this will be a challenge, since he has, so far, failed to get elected to a national position. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'd add to provided they are not based mainly on an interview that they also shouldn't be based mainly on a press release. valereee (talk) 16:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull, there is an encoded character at the end of the link @Baruah ranuj provided. Here's the working link: [3]. – robertsky (talk) 17:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- (Edit cnflict) I've searched the newspaper to find the correct URL here. It appears to be a brief cv produced by the candidate himself prior to the election, so in effect is a press release. That newspaper has several hits on the person's name but as far as I can see they are all brief mentions, so fail the test of significant coverage, Baruah ranuj Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Baruah ranuj. That link you supplied doesn't work for me but in principle newspaper articles are fine provided they are not based mainly on an interview. If they are, that's a primary source, otherwise, yes, it counts as secondary. Your main problem is to meet the requirements of notability for a politician. I'm no expert but I would say that this will be a challenge, since he has, so far, failed to get elected to a national position. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
The details are written by digital desk as mentioned there . How you know that he himself provided pwn data? (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baruah ranuj (talk • contribs) 17:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Appears he is the President of a minor politcal party and lost (badly) in the one election he he ran for office. None of the candidates his party put forward in the election were winners. In my opinion he fails WP:GNG. David notMD (talk) 18:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Steps to prevent a specific IP from editing a page
Hello,
I'd like to better understand the steps to stop an IP from editing a page. An IP user has been editing the same page and removing references every time without any justification. The user had an initial warning on their talk page, but I'm just not sure of the steps to request a block and that process. As an aside, some, but not all, of these edits are being blocked by an edit filter, which is confusing to me since it doesn't appear consistent. The user's contributions and the page, Barbara Osborn Kreamer. Engineerchange (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Engineerchange: You can request that the article be protected from editing by IPs at WP:RPP. Use the same evidence as you posted here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks Mike! --Engineerchange (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Engineerchange. I have indefinitely blocked that IP address from editing that specific article. Cullen328 (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks Mike! --Engineerchange (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Absolutely unhelpful Help search
Hi,
I want to add the template for WikiProject Hospitals to a page. Obvious question: what is the syntax of the template? I applied the Help search to "Template WikiProject Hospitals". Restricted the search to Help to avoid a flock of irrelevant results such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals. The result was "There were no results matching the query." =8~/ Nonsense! Please find the syntax of the template.
Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @PeterEasthope, welcome to the Teahouse. Searching for "Template: WikiProject Hospitals" leads to Template:WikiProject Hospitals - the punctuation makes all the difference. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. But really, necessity of the colon is arcane. The search without the colon should produce a result. Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 18:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PeterEasthope: The easiest way is to find an article already in that project, then check the talk page for how the template is used. For example, from Talk:Adventist Health, I see this: {{WikiProject Hospitals|class=Start|importance=Mid|needs-coord=yes}}. If you have more specific questions on that project template, try asking at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hospitals RudolfRed (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I found an example but every instance doesn't have every optional parameter. A straightforward search should find the specification. Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 18:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PeterEasthope: Most visitors are only readers and the search box is limited to encyclopedia articles by default. Other types of pages are organized in namespaces. You can search a specific namespace by selecting "Search in" and then "Add namespaces" at Special:Search, or you can write the namespace followed by a colon. It may not be intuitive to relatively new users but there is some logic in it since the searched pages have the colon in their name like Template:WikiProject Hospitals. Templates, including their documentation, are in the namespace called "Template". "General Help" at Special:Search selects the two namespaces "Wikipedia" (the project namespace) and "Help" (which isn't for specific templates). See more at Help:Searching. It's linked on "Help" at the top right of search pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:17, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. Also the first link returned by googling "template wikiproject hospitals" is the template page.
Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 00:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. Also the first link returned by googling "template wikiproject hospitals" is the template page.
- @PeterEasthope: Most visitors are only readers and the search box is limited to encyclopedia articles by default. Other types of pages are organized in namespaces. You can search a specific namespace by selecting "Search in" and then "Add namespaces" at Special:Search, or you can write the namespace followed by a colon. It may not be intuitive to relatively new users but there is some logic in it since the searched pages have the colon in their name like Template:WikiProject Hospitals. Templates, including their documentation, are in the namespace called "Template". "General Help" at Special:Search selects the two namespaces "Wikipedia" (the project namespace) and "Help" (which isn't for specific templates). See more at Help:Searching. It's linked on "Help" at the top right of search pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:17, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I found an example but every instance doesn't have every optional parameter. A straightforward search should find the specification. Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 18:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Genre
Hello. About One piece genre, doesn't it also have action and comedy? Or is a website information necessary? Wolfp5 (talk) 18:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Wolfp5, welcome back to the Teahouse. A reliable source would be needed to add genres to any article, including one on an entry in the One Piece franchise - our personal opinions on genre are not sufficient (many edit wars have been fought over such things!). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wolfp5: Also for future reference, AFI, BFI, and AllMovie are great sources you can use to locate genres. When they disagree, list the genre that a majority agree on and be sure to cite them. It's also generally a good idea to begin a discussion on the article talk page, especially when those sources aren't in agreement. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Symphony No. 40 (Mozart)
Key signature is wrong for Movement 2. Should be 3 flats. Lsaul52 (talk) 19:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lsaul52 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Concerns about a particular article should be directed to its associated talk page, in this case, Talk:Symphony No. 40 (Mozart). 331dot (talk) 19:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- In fact, a user called "Double sharp" raised this on the talk page in 2017, but nobody replied. I will continue this discussion there. ColinFine (talk) 21:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
How to Request Editor Action
Hello! I'm an individual being paid for Wikipedia contributions. Under Wikipedia policy, I am not able to make direct edits but instead may suggest changes on Talk pages. How do I bring attention to my suggested edits so that they will be made? I know there is a feature to assist with this but I can't remember what it is or how to utilize it. Thanks! IAScomms1930 (talk) 20:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:Edit requests. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:41, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you!!!
- IAScomms1930 (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- IAScomms1930 please note though, that you need to supply a reliable independent source, which none of your many requests have included so far, we are not here to promote the Institute for Advanced Studies for you. Theroadislong (talk) 21:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Duplicate links and rowspans
Anyone care to add an opinion to this discussion? The page gets little (but fervent) attention. Some new perspective is always nice. BradVesp (talk) 21:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- The discussion is at Talk:List of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. characters#Duplicate links and rowspans. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
What is {delete|Cross-wiki spam}} Template?
Please tell me fast what does this template mean and for which reason this is Added? How to get rid of this template after it's added ? Baruahranuj 21:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Baruah ranuj - do you mean {{Db-cross-wiki spam}}? That redirects to {{Db-g11}}, which is a speedy deletion tag (per criterion G11), and it can be contested by clicking the "Contest this speedy deletion" button. Where are you seeing this template? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
More secondary sources
Hi, my draft:ThaWave Podcast recently got rejected and the reviewer asked for "sources independent of the subject". I have added sources more sources; can someone please help cross-check this draft and advice where necessary?
Also, is the UNICEF is reliable secondary source? Thanks
Majokthefirst (talk) 05:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since UNICEF is the only source you specify, Majokthefirst, I took a look at it. You cite two UNICEF pages. One (this one) is used as a reference for "This program educates the general public on the laws against child marriage and the repercussions this has on the mental and physical status of these children and the program is believed to have sent over 15 girls back to school" in which "this program" refers to "[a] recently created sensitization program dubbed 'Give her a pen, not a man'". So I infer the UNICEF page says this about "Give her a pen, not a man". Except that it does not. None of the strings "give", "15", "fifteen", and "sudan" appear within it. And therefore providing this page ("Last updated June 2022", and therefore before you digested it) as a reference for this assertion is fraudulent. -- Hoary (talk) 06:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Hoary, I forgot to specify I used the source you quoted above to define the prevalence of child marriage: Other sources are directly mention the subject. I will remove the said source and add a more relevant one. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majokthefirst (talk • contribs) 06:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Majokthefirst, if what's presented as a source doesn't directly mention the subject then obviously it's not a source. But directly mentioning the subject, while necessary, is insufficient. The text of an article consists of a series of propositions. For example: "Opposition MPs Dawn Butler and Ian Blackford have both openly called Johnson a liar in the House of Commons." A reference for that needn't say that Butler and Blackford are opposition MPs (this is uncontroversial and can be verified via the articles about them), but it must say that they've both openly called Johnson a liar in the House of Commons. Alternatively, it could be supported by two references, one saying this about Butler and the other saying the same about Blackford. -- Hoary (talk) 09:31, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response! I corrected this mistake and the article is good to go! Majokthefirst (talk) 09:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- FYI - Your draft was Declined, which is less severe than Rejected. David notMD (talk) 11:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response! I corrected this mistake and the article is good to go! Majokthefirst (talk) 09:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Draft:R Nait
Courtesy link: Draft:R Nait
I am editing this page but I need help to edit this page and gathering resources and please tell me how can I add a image in articles with mobile phone step by step Devine666 (talk) 05:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- This photo you'd like to add, Devine666: did you find it on the internet? -- Hoary (talk) 06:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I found it on the internet, Devine666 (talk) 07:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, you're probably not allowed to use it. --VersaceSpace 🌃 07:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- What VersaceSpace said. But, Devine666, exactly where did you find it on the internet? -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- OP blocked as a sockpuppet. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes I found it on the internet, Devine666 (talk) 07:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Problem with spacing edit
I've got a small problem, but it's bugging me. In the Film noir article, fifth paragraph of the Problems of definition section, look at the sentence "Alain Silver, the most widely published American critic...." You can see that "published" and "American" abut. I went to Edit source and added a space but nothing changed in the article. I added several more spaces in the edit screen, and same deal. You can see the extra spaces there. And it just wasn't when I hit Show preview, I put the edit through. I didn't have any trouble making other edits to the article. Any solution? (By the way, is there any way to link to specific sections of an article instead of the entire page? I'd like to start doing that, if possible.) -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's probably just in your head? I don't see anything, even when I zoom in (using my computer, Vector 2022 skin). You can link to specific sections with Film noir#problems of definition, like this, and it'll start at the section on the right of the hashtag. VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 06:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Pete Best Beatles, I can't see them abutting. HTML normally treats a thousand (or however many) consecutive spaces in the same way that it treats a single space. Yes, you can link to anywhere in a page (not only to a specific section). See Template:Anchor. (Vortex's method of linking will work too, as long as nobody retitles or amalgamates the section. The Anchor template is free of this problem.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- To my eyes they are just about touching. The real problem is that adding multiple spaces multiple times didn't make "American critic" budge at all. You can see the extra spaces on the edit page, and they don't appear in the article itself. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm using Firefox 102.0.1 (under MX-Linux), and my eyes show nothing wrong. If this abutting business worries you, consider using an alternative to whichever browser you're now using. (When I'm annoyed by Firefox, which is unusual, I use Chromium.)
Mediawiki may or may not retain multiple spaces [see what I did there?] when it converts what we write into HTML: I can't be bothered to check. If it (sensibly) deletes all but one in a string of spaces, then the extra spaces are pointless. If it fails to do so, then, as I have said, they're ignored in HTML, so again they're pointless.-- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC) strikeout Hoary (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm using Firefox 102.0.1 (under MX-Linux), and my eyes show nothing wrong. If this abutting business worries you, consider using an alternative to whichever browser you're now using. (When I'm annoyed by Firefox, which is unusual, I use Chromium.)
- To my eyes they are just about touching. The real problem is that adding multiple spaces multiple times didn't make "American critic" budge at all. You can see the extra spaces on the edit page, and they don't appear in the article itself. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 06:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mediawiki retains multiple spaces [see what I did there?] when it converts what we write into HTML. (I'm surprised that it does so.) Repeated spaces are ignored in HTML, so there's no point inserting them. -- Hoary (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Pete Best Beatles, I (retired print editor, FWIW) have just changed the 4 spaces present when I looked to 1, and also see no difference, or problem in the display (using Firefox on Windows 11, if it matters). I suggest that if you are (still) seeing one, it might be an artifact or glitch of your current device, font, etc. Try accessing the article from a different device. {The poster formerly knoewn as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.65 (talk) 16:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Report
Can somebody plz advise/ help out? I'm new to wiki reporting. My edit (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/117.198.114.157&oldid=1097228539) is not listed here: Special:History/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations
Why? I am not sure if I have done the report right or it got throught or what happened. Special:Contributions/117.198.114.157 and Special:Contributions/117.198.112.181; the other similar ip seems to have socked and trailed me to another page for an edit war. Just wanna know if a regd user is doing em. The ip addresses look similar and got active around the same time.
- The user doubtfully poses POV neutraliser while pushing a non inclusive and pro majoritarian Hindu religious POV himself/ herself Fyi: Special:MobileDiff/1097214303
- claims "poor quality" while disrupting page and edit warring Special:MobileDiff/1097179392
- pretends "grammar" while pushing Hindu religious majoritarianism and ownership of langot see Special:MobileDiff/1097185206
User:Nick Moyes thanks for the invite — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolicamaca (talk • contribs) 13:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/117.198.114.157 - 97.126.96.239 (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Nolicamaca, welcome to the Teahouse. Your report appears to have been added - see link above - but in order to try to tie the IP user(s) to a particular account, you would need to name the account (and check users can't publicly tie IPs to accounts in any case, just so you know). If you can prove enough behavioral similarities between the two IPs, you might be able to get those blocked for sockpuppetry, but you'd need to provide more information in the report itself - adding the information you posted here would be a good start.
- A report to WP:ANI, WP:AIV or WP:AN3 - depending on the type of disruption - is usually faster and easier than an SPI. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 14:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Hey! @User:97.126.96.239 but the the edit is still not here though: Special:History/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations
Just saw the checkuser clerk decline, while "behaviour investigation is pending". I have just been reading sourcing and editing for hours today and I'm hungry now. Will surely do it tomorrow if there's no progress. Thanks again. May the force be with you. Bye see ya. Nolicamaca (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Nolicamaca, that's just a link to the edit history of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, it's not a listing of currently active investigations. If you look at the page itself, the case you filed is listed. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Nolicamaca This is not sockpuppetry - this is just how dynamic IP addresses work - they change within the same range on a regular basis. Sockpuppetry is the deliberate and deceptive use of multiple accounts/IPs for illegitimate purposes. Since you haven't provided any evidence of that IP address either illegitimately using an account or attempting to mislead by using multiple IPs I expect the SPI will be declined as unactionable and probably deleted as a malformed report. You should read WP:Sockpuppetry and User:Blablubbs/How to file a good SPI to understand what sockpuppetry is and what SPI clerks are looking for in a report. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Some device’s don’t have a canned edit summary
Why does only mobile app have canned edit summary, but the other devices do not? Is it only on phone? Can you compare between iOS and desktop? 2600:1010:B149:A097:8846:CA2E:F2D8:7069 (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unless enabled in account preferences, canned edit summaries are only a part of the mobile app and not desktops or on the web. This page has more information. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 14:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Why it is not designed for desktops, but for iOS? 2600:1010:B149:A097:8846:CA2E:F2D8:7069 (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Canned edit summaries just aren't available on the English Wikipedia on browsers. From the page linked above:
While this is a convenient feature for users, some may click or tap the buttons simply because the buttons are there, or perhaps they think they have to select one (i.e., they believe the edit will not be saved unless they enter a summary, which is not true). Consequently, one may see a substantial edit with the summary "Fixed typo" or other misleading summary.
Hope that helps. Bsoyka (talk) 18:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Canned edit summaries just aren't available on the English Wikipedia on browsers. From the page linked above:
- Why it is not designed for desktops, but for iOS? 2600:1010:B149:A097:8846:CA2E:F2D8:7069 (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Editing without citations
Hi, I am thinking of adding adding additional info to the page Khumar Barabankvi due to the fact I personally know one of his grandkids but I don't have citations. Am I allowed to do this?
Anonymous569 (talk) 14:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Anonymous569, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that is not allowed - content added to Wikipedia must be verifiable, and not based on the personal knowledge or experience of editors. 97.126.96.239 (talk) 14:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Categories
How do I add certain categories to an article? I'm having a hard time figuring it out. Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate: Welcome to the Teahouse! Try visiting WP:CATSPECIFIC and watching the video. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Dissoxciate In the source editor you add them using the same format as a link, e.g. adding
[[category:1982 births]]
to an article would add the article to the category 1982 births. By convention category links are placed at the very end of the article. In the visual editor the option to add categories is in the "page information" dropdown menu. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)- Thanks a lot for the responses! Appreciate it. Dissoxciate (talk) 18:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- I actually recommend the Wikipedia:HotCat gadget because it shows buttons to add and remove categories on the list of categories itself. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 19:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Swapping to visual editor
I cannot figure this out
I cannot figure out how to switch from the normal editor to the visual editor. History Buff1239ubj (talk) 18:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @History Buff1239ubj In the top right corner click the image of the pencil and swap to the image of the eye. Note that the visual editor is not enabled in all namespaces - in some situations you will have to use the source editor. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. And also thank you for helping with Lord Clive-class monitor. History Buff1239ubj (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Weird transclusion
On Talk:Prince Rupert's cube, we have Template:Did you know nominations/Prince Rupert's cube transcluded, but the actual article talk page is empty. What's the technical reason for this? I don't see a relevant NOINCLUDE in the template. Ovinus (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Ovinus On Template:Did you know nominations/Prince Rupert's cube there's a pair of noinclude tags inside the #if parser function at the top and bottom of the template. The
{{#if:yes|1|2}}
part of the page is checking if "yes" is an empty string (which it isn't) so the content between the first and second pipes (i.e. "1") is returned, which in this case includes the noinclude tag. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 19:22, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Toooooooooooœœœ 185.191.158.247 (talk) 21:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
poo 185.191.158.247 (talk) 21:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)