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Your Thoughts...
We have discussed the possibility of expanding THIS... I am seriously considering the creation of a full genre article comparable to stuff like Swedish death metal or West Coast hip hop etc. It would essentially be the narrative of the Don't Think I've Forgotten film in expanded form with robust links and independent sources. I am confident that text and sources for such an article will come together rather easily from our existing artist articles plus Cambodian Rocks and related items on Cambodian history and the war. The problem is I cannot think of a GOOD TITLE!
Cambodian rock might be pretty good but the era of interest will be 1959-1975 and current Cambodian music will be excluded. Cambodian psychedelic rock might also be good because it's a label that is often used by modern fans like Dengue Fever (band) but it implies that psychedelic was the only genre practiced in that scene. Something like 1960-70s rock in Cambodia might be too long and unwieldy for WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. Any thoughts? ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:59, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- I've found myself thinking about this a few times now. The best I've come up with so far is "Music of/in/during pre-Khmer Rouge Cambodia", with honorable mentions for "Music of Sihanouk Era Cambodia and the Khmer Republic", "Music of Cambodia, 1960-1975", "Mid-20th century music in Cambodia" and the like. It seems hard to draw a clear line -- musically or politically. I haven't read anything that does much to contrast music under Sihanouk vs. the Khmer Republic. That is, I've read plenty about how Sihanouk fostered music/culture, but not much about what changed between 1970-75. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Pinging Wikirictor, who wrote most of History of Cambodia, and WilliamThweatt, who has provided some useful insight about related topics in the past. @Wikirictor, since I don't know if you know the context here, we've been working on 1960s-70s Cambodian pop/rock music articles like Sinn Sisamouth, Yol Aularong, Pen Ran, Baksey Cham Krong, Meas Samon, Ros Serey Sothea, etc. (and my gateway to the music, Cambodian Rocks). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- In the near future I'm ready to write a first draft of such an article on the scene/genre, but I'll take any ideas on what to call the dang thing. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:19, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. As I've noted before, I don't have much time to dedicate to WP these days, so I won't say much. However, I will say that both by its title and in its content, such an article should make it clear that this was (to use Doomsdayer's terms) one specific scene in Cambodian popular music of the era. The "rock" music has been brought to the attention of the Western world in recent times and that may make it seem like it was something more than it really was. But rock music wasn't the only kind of pop music in Cambodia during that era, nor was it likely even the most popular. Among Khmer, Sisamouth and SereiSothea for example, are more well-known for slow ballads like this and this or their myriad rom vong and rom kbach songs. These types of songs were (and are) way more popular among all Cambodian demographic groups than any of the psychedelic or "garage band" type music, which although popular among college and international students at the time for its "western" sound, was/is viewed as not much more than a novelty by most Cambodians. On top of that, in addition to pop music, there were other genres including court music, traditional and folk music that also prospered during this era. And...I've rambled on more than I intended. Suffice to say that the title and the article should put the CambodiaRocks-type music in the proper Cambodian context (i.e. not at all representative of all Cambodian popular music of the time) in addition to noting its new-found, and rather incongruous, popularity among westerners.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 07:19, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the helpful reminder, William. Documentaries like Don't Think I've Forgotten and the selection of music that's been imported to the US have definitely shaped my understanding such that I may be of the impression that it was more popular than it was, but I've listened to enough e.g. Sinn Sisamouth and Ros Serey Sothea that I know it's not all western-influenced rock/pop/garage/psych. I don't know specifically what Doomsdayer's article plan is, but I would assume incorporate material about all sorts of pop music if doing an article on that era. Perhaps that just gets too much overlap with the existing article, and perhaps we would run into trouble with two people who don't read Khmer searching for sources on the elements of Khmer music that haven't become popular in the west (I say popular, but it's even more of a niche here :) ). So maybe the most succinct title/scope (which doesn't read as very succinct, but oh well) might be "Rock music of pre-Khmer Rouge Cambodia". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- William's thoughts indicate why Music of Cambodia should remain the primary article in this area. Unfortunately that article has been in need of expansion for years, and international WP users do not have the expertise, and anyone who does have the expertise is probably not able to use international WP. In the history of the Sinn Sisamouth talk page you can see people popping up occasionally who really are Cambodian (as in an old dispute over how to spell his name), but otherwise we have a bunch of articles written by Americans with material that Americans know about. .......................... It's surely not perfect but the scene/genre has gained international notice that may very well transcend Cambodia itself. Or in other words, Klezmer is enjoyed and talked about worldwide by people who know little about its European Jewish originators and may not have to. "1960s-70s Cambodian Rock" (or whatever title) could survive WP's notability requirements thanks to its international recognition. Any article here must avoid implying that it represents ALL Cambodian popular music, which hopefully can be done with sensitive writing. I envision a tight genre-specific article; consider the article for Jazz fusion which does not imply that it's the only kind of jazz. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the helpful reminder, William. Documentaries like Don't Think I've Forgotten and the selection of music that's been imported to the US have definitely shaped my understanding such that I may be of the impression that it was more popular than it was, but I've listened to enough e.g. Sinn Sisamouth and Ros Serey Sothea that I know it's not all western-influenced rock/pop/garage/psych. I don't know specifically what Doomsdayer's article plan is, but I would assume incorporate material about all sorts of pop music if doing an article on that era. Perhaps that just gets too much overlap with the existing article, and perhaps we would run into trouble with two people who don't read Khmer searching for sources on the elements of Khmer music that haven't become popular in the west (I say popular, but it's even more of a niche here :) ). So maybe the most succinct title/scope (which doesn't read as very succinct, but oh well) might be "Rock music of pre-Khmer Rouge Cambodia". — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
New exercise regimen while staying indoors during the pandemic
I'll just leave this here... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
ADL, COI, and The Forward
I posted a link to this section at WP:COIN#Article in the Forward to avoid belaboring something that's more or less resolved there, for better or worse.
Here's the TL;DR version of what I said in response to an inquiry about the ADL case:
So much of the difficulty of editing Wikipedia as an organization or otherwise with a COI is how few bright lines rules there are, and how many shades of skepticism there are among the community such that a range of outcomes are possible for any given situation. That's true of a lot of Wikipedia, but seems particularly pronounced with COI issues. The reception ADL received in the noticeboard thread was IMO harsher than necessary, given they expressed interest in learning the rules, responded to criticism, and seemed to agree to just about everything we asked of them, stopping short of a self-imposed ban on ever adding ADL sources to articles. But while I think that should've led to a second chance, the result of the thread (to the extent there is a result, except to say that I was in the minority and ADL has stopped its editing project) is also unsurprising because -- and it's hard to overstate this -- first impressions are extremely important. If they hadn't edited the ADL article, hadn't only been adding ADL sources, and hadn't created weight problems (in other words, if they started with the guidelines that they've now agreed to), I doubt we would be here. But organizations and people with a COI do not get the same leeway to make mistakes that ordinary volunteers do, and there's a good reason for that. Any organization interested to edit Wikipedia really needs to do a lot of homework about Wikipedia policies and conventions beforehand, err on the side of transparency, and ask questions if they're not sure about something.
In general, I thought the article was a more or less fair summary of something that was likely frustrating for all involved. Hopefully others do, as well. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- To add something I've said in several places at this point (as have others, probably more eloquently than me): if we're going to have vague COI rules in order to allow more room for case-by-case judgment, taking a hardline approach which operates as though the rules are not vague and which leaves no room for making mistakes ultimately discourages transparency and makes volunteers' jobs harder in the long run. Editing with a conflict of interest is never ideal, but it's going to happen, and doesn't always harm the project, so we might as well try to be more consistent with how we deal with it. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
IRC cloak
@Dungodung, Snowolf, Az1568, and Fox: Hi GCs. I had a cloak on Freenode. Requested one on Libera. After some days/weeks of pending, it's been rejected. Don't know why or what to do. There's an IRC noticeboard, but no posts in a long time, so just pinging here to confirm that yes, it was me who requested a cloak. Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Delsort
Hello, I know it is a long shot. I wanted to ask you if you would know why my delsort stopped working. You showed me how to set it up and it was working great until a few hours ago. It suddenly stopped working so I do not know if I did something wrong. I tried a computer restart, a different browser, and nothings seems to work. Looks like nothing has been changed here: User:Lightburst/common.js. Thank you Lightburst (talk) 01:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Lightburst: looks like a bit of code it used was just removed. Thanks to AntiCompositeNumber, who identified how to fix it. Should be good now. FWIW there are other scripts that are probably better maintained. e.g. User:Enterprisey/delsort. I do prefer this one, though, because I like having all of them there. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, right, you forked it and added some, so it won't be fixed for you. You'll need to edit your User:Lightburst/common.js page and make the same change I just did here. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:15, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Wow! Thank you! I made just the specific edits and now it works! Thank you much! Lightburst (talk) 03:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Grand Prospect Hall
On 19 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Grand Prospect Hall, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the owners of New York City's Grand Prospect Hall produced and starred in cheaply shot commercials, parodied on Jimmy Kimmel Live! and Saturday Night Live? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Grand Prospect Hall. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Grand Prospect Hall), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
ANI
Thanks for being thoughtful at ANI. It is stressful and I am sure have areas to improve. Lightburst (talk) 03:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Barnstar of Diplomacy | |
In a lot of contentious discussions recently, I've noticed you making suggestions that help to keep things from stagnating. Summarizing and finding common ground in a discussion is important work, and I've always appreciated seeing you step in to ensure conflicts remain healthy. To thank you, here's a barnstar for your valuable work developing compromises and moving discussions forward. — Wug·a·po·des 00:18, 9 November 2021 (UTC) |
- Also I've been slowly reading that book you recommended, Wikipedia and the politics of openness I think the title is, and it's a fascinating perspective on the project. Thanks for the recommendation! — Wug·a·po·des 00:20, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank ye. I appreciate the book's broader critique of "openness," which feels long overdue, and its theorizing certain aspects of Wikipedia (I can't remember now if "consensus games" was his or me riffing on what he wrote, but it's a good one nonetheless) more than a lot of its specifics (a lot of text to say "forking Wikipedia is easier said than done", and some of the examples of disputes are dated/worn out). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't remember the term "consensus games", but I haven't finished it yet so maybe it's to come. But yes, I think the focus on production rather than outcomes is an important conceptual shift. I'm not as deep in the literature as I'm sure you are, but in the works I've read the discussions of production have been in service of understanding outcomes--how does the demographic composition of editors affect the body of content, for example. I think a focus on production though gets us farther--how are modes of production created and sustained? That question gives us a better sense of the boundaries on the space of possible outcomes, and I think just generally moves the conversation forward. As a concrete example, on the US and Canada WMF grants committee one of our points of discussion has been allocating funds to support "capacity building". Instead of evaluating grants primarily on outcomes like number of edits or topic areas improved, we're thinking about how to support organizations in creating new modes of production. My thinking being that new infrastructure and modes of knowledge creation will be more durable while still affecting the range of outcomes in ways we would want. The general assumption seems to be that these would like supporting the creation of bureaucratic forms of organization, but the discussion in chapter 3 (bureaucracy vs ad-hocracy) gives a compelling critique of that assumption. A community built around "openness" as a frame is in tension with a purely bureaucratic mode of production, and so the resulting organizational structure flows between centralization and decentralization. So what does that mean for organizations hoping to interface with it? I'm not sure, but I don't think I would have come to it on my own. — Wug·a·po·des 20:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Wugapodes: Oh dear. Didn't notice this last reply (or forgot to reply to it, more likely) until going through and archiving. Sorry about that. One of the takeaways of that book about openness for me was just how much generalizations based on Wikipedia don't really work. Wikipedia is the model for concepts like commons-based peer production and a variety of other theories of [openness + participation + production], to such an extent that the ideas behind them are hard to really interrogate or just plain don't hold up in other contexts. There just hasn't been another great example of those technoutopian web 2.0 dreams, so I was glad to see someone challenging the very nature of openness-as-a-virtue. As for capacity building, that's something we struggle with at WikiNYC. We're in such a great place, with lots of great partners, but have no paid staff and our volunteers are stretched so thin we have a tough time seeing through the stuff we already do well. Having staff would mean someone to help run things and do the day-to-day, but also someone who can, you know, train trainers, do outreach, form partnerships, and other things that make the chapter more sustainable without relying on the same few people for everything. Sort of a tangent... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:11, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- I don't remember the term "consensus games", but I haven't finished it yet so maybe it's to come. But yes, I think the focus on production rather than outcomes is an important conceptual shift. I'm not as deep in the literature as I'm sure you are, but in the works I've read the discussions of production have been in service of understanding outcomes--how does the demographic composition of editors affect the body of content, for example. I think a focus on production though gets us farther--how are modes of production created and sustained? That question gives us a better sense of the boundaries on the space of possible outcomes, and I think just generally moves the conversation forward. As a concrete example, on the US and Canada WMF grants committee one of our points of discussion has been allocating funds to support "capacity building". Instead of evaluating grants primarily on outcomes like number of edits or topic areas improved, we're thinking about how to support organizations in creating new modes of production. My thinking being that new infrastructure and modes of knowledge creation will be more durable while still affecting the range of outcomes in ways we would want. The general assumption seems to be that these would like supporting the creation of bureaucratic forms of organization, but the discussion in chapter 3 (bureaucracy vs ad-hocracy) gives a compelling critique of that assumption. A community built around "openness" as a frame is in tension with a purely bureaucratic mode of production, and so the resulting organizational structure flows between centralization and decentralization. So what does that mean for organizations hoping to interface with it? I'm not sure, but I don't think I would have come to it on my own. — Wug·a·po·des 20:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Section for blatantly peer pressuring people for WP:ACE2021
Some names from the list of past arbs who haven't run in a while but would be good for it (omitting a couple that I already know would decline): Neutrality, Seraphimblade, Mackensen, Doug Weller,
Some names who haven't done it before but would be good for it: Enterprisey, Wugapodes, Guettarda, Cullen328, Czar, Deepfriedokra, EvergreenFir, Rosguill
If you're mentioned here, it's because in my estimation you show good judgment and/or insight when it comes to difficult disputes, and tend to resolve rather than exacerbate drama. If you're seeing this, I'm probably not the first to make this suggestion, and I don't expect a response. Just hoping to catch you in a moment of poor judgment such that you might consider it. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- My judgment's too good this year, maybe next year. signed, Rosguill talk 18:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- I will be retired in a year and might consider it then. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- My judgment's too good this year, maybe next year. signed, Rosguill talk 18:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- My judgement is poor, but it's not that poor, not right now :). In all seriousness thank you for thinking of me, but not this year. Mackensen (talk) 18:13, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- I've foolishly put myself forward for one incredible time-sink (from which I was soundly rejected), which suggests that my judgement is poor enough to run for arbcom. I honestly hadn't considered it, but I suppose I'll give it some thought. Guettarda (talk) 18:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- I certainly appreciate your thought, but I would not have time enough over the next year to allocate to it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Seraphimblade: what's the time commitment really like? (I know it's bad, but I gather it's less bad than it was circa 2010.) Guettarda (talk) 23:34, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Guettarda, it's quite variable and unpredictable. A few weeks might go by with very little to do, and then all of a sudden there's a case request, two other blowups, and a bunch of emails for other issues, and everyone's scrambling just to keep their head above water. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Seraphimblade: Thanks. That's quite helpful. Guettarda (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Guettarda, it's quite variable and unpredictable. A few weeks might go by with very little to do, and then all of a sudden there's a case request, two other blowups, and a bunch of emails for other issues, and everyone's scrambling just to keep their head above water. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Seraphimblade: what's the time commitment really like? (I know it's bad, but I gather it's less bad than it was circa 2010.) Guettarda (talk) 23:34, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the responses/consideration, all. Wugapodes threw in after all. Glad to hear a couple others are giving it thought for now or in the future.
- Someone else comes to mind: Eddie891 — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for considering me, but I don’t think I have the ability to make the time commitment this year. (If done right, it’s a substantial time commitment.) Perhaps next year. Neutralitytalk 02:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
I am surprised and flattered but I must decline. My job takes up way too much time for me to be able to commit to the demands of ARBCOM. Also, I know there are folks out there who likely still hold negative views of me and would raise objections. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
It sounds like a few of you might consider it in the future. (Partial-huzzah!) And two of you threw your hat in! (Huzzah!) Thanks for considering, all. Next year we try the "double dog dare you" approach to peer pressure and see how that goes. Until then... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- It seems to have worked in my case. Thanks for doing this. Enterprisey (talk!) 01:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry Rhododentdrites I kept meaning to respond. What I was going to say is that my life has changed so much that I have not got the time to do the job. Besides getting older, you may know that I have Parkinson's. I also lost quite a bit of weight 2 years ago. To keep healthy and fight off Parkinson's (and old age a bit), I now walk about 4 miles a day, use my exercise bike half an hour a day, do ordinary Pilates twice a week and Parkinson's Pilates once a week plus some balance work (all this via YouTube and Zoom, the ordinary Pilates is by a well known professional who charges much less than she's worth). I struggle to keep up with my watchlist, Admin, CU and OS work and don't want to give that up which I'd have to do to even half-way do the work as an Arb. I'm glad to see that there are probably 8 candidates worth voting for. I was pretty worried earlier. Doug Weller talk 17:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: Thanks for the message. I didn't know -- that's quite a regimen! I'm feeling a little self-conscious that my main activity today, other than 30 seconds of carrying someone's luggage up/down the stairs, was, I guess, taking the dog to do its business? I've made a couple attempts at Pilates, but always feel too far behind in the flexibility department (and NYC apartments don't have a ton of extra floor space). Anyway, glad it all leaves you some time for Wikipedia, even if not arbing. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- You should live in Brooklyn. Pilates has helped a lot with flexibility. I regret I didn't do any real exercise before I retired. But as for time, after a Zoom meeting with the Foundation last night it looks like I might be pretty busy the first few months of next year, so I'm really glad I didn't run! Doug Weller talk 13:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: Thanks for the message. I didn't know -- that's quite a regimen! I'm feeling a little self-conscious that my main activity today, other than 30 seconds of carrying someone's luggage up/down the stairs, was, I guess, taking the dog to do its business? I've made a couple attempts at Pilates, but always feel too far behind in the flexibility department (and NYC apartments don't have a ton of extra floor space). Anyway, glad it all leaves you some time for Wikipedia, even if not arbing. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry Rhododentdrites I kept meaning to respond. What I was going to say is that my life has changed so much that I have not got the time to do the job. Besides getting older, you may know that I have Parkinson's. I also lost quite a bit of weight 2 years ago. To keep healthy and fight off Parkinson's (and old age a bit), I now walk about 4 miles a day, use my exercise bike half an hour a day, do ordinary Pilates twice a week and Parkinson's Pilates once a week plus some balance work (all this via YouTube and Zoom, the ordinary Pilates is by a well known professional who charges much less than she's worth). I struggle to keep up with my watchlist, Admin, CU and OS work and don't want to give that up which I'd have to do to even half-way do the work as an Arb. I'm glad to see that there are probably 8 candidates worth voting for. I was pretty worried earlier. Doug Weller talk 17:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Congratulations, Wugapodes and Enterprisey! — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:48, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, and congratulations on your successful pressuring! You'll need to find another
foolselfless civil servant to pressure next year though since I won't be eligible. — Wug·a·po·des 22:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC) - Thank you, and like Wug, I'm happy the pressuring worked out :) Here's to a relatively boring two years, hopefully... Enterprisey (talk!) 10:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Mockingbird pic change
Hello Rhodo- While I like your excellent photo of M polyglottos in Bay Ridge, I think many people might find the one you replaced it with to be more representative. Subjectively speaking, "my" mockingbird, who perches outside the living room, more often presents the aspect of the NH one you replaced. No big deal, just wanted to run the thought by you. PS, That lesser yellowlegs pic on your userpage is mad good. Eric talk 18:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Eric: Thanks for the message. I'm not sure what you mean by
more often presents the aspect of the NH one
? I gather NH=New Hampshire, but do you mean it looks more like the one I replaced? Could you elaborate on the differences? The new one is sharper, and the white balance rings truer to my eyes. Its one shortcoming IMO is that it's on a fence rather than something more natural. Though I feel pretty confident that it's an improvement, I make it a point not to be pushy about my own photos and invite anyone who disagrees to restore the previous version. :) If I feel strongly enough, I can always open a talk page section to make a case. - And thanks, I was happy with the yellowlegs shot, too. In that case, the article already had a shot which is quite good in the infobox, and which shows the bird's legs (always better to show the whole thing, I reckon). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi- No, I don't feel strongly about it. Re the aspect: I just mean that shape-wise, the predecessor (yes, from New Hampshire) looks more like the mockingbirds I see, whereas your guy looks shorter and more plump, almost like it's a smaller bird. Now, when I look at the Cornell and Audubon sites, the photos there have some that look like yours, and others more like what I'm used to. So my original post seems more subjective than I thought. I agree that the color balance is better in your shot. Maybe the bird that frequents my yard (which I pretend is the same one lo these thirty years) is just a longer, narrower version of the species. Anyway, again, I think yours is an excellent photo. Eric talk 00:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- There's a lot of subjectivity in this, yeah. No hard feelings if you want to rv (or start a thread). A 30 year old mockingbird would know so many songs! — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi- No, I don't feel strongly about it. Re the aspect: I just mean that shape-wise, the predecessor (yes, from New Hampshire) looks more like the mockingbirds I see, whereas your guy looks shorter and more plump, almost like it's a smaller bird. Now, when I look at the Cornell and Audubon sites, the photos there have some that look like yours, and others more like what I'm used to. So my original post seems more subjective than I thought. I agree that the color balance is better in your shot. Maybe the bird that frequents my yard (which I pretend is the same one lo these thirty years) is just a longer, narrower version of the species. Anyway, again, I think yours is an excellent photo. Eric talk 00:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Grand Prospect Hall
The article Grand Prospect Hall you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Grand Prospect Hall for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mujinga -- Mujinga (talk) 20:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Don't stuff beans up your nose/Uh-huh
Thanks for the explanation about the purpose of the page. But what kind of edits are permitted to be made to the essay? To the Talk page? What is considered acceptable and what is not? Is it anything goes because it's "humor"? I stumbled on this (wish I hadn't) very indirectly and am now trying to, uh, educate myself.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Bbb23: I don't think there are clear rules, but I'm no expert on humor-related pages. I do get the sense that most of them are edited pretty freely. Personally, I tend to regard edits to projectspace pages not in terms of how serious they are but how often they're cited. BEANS may be humor, but it's cited pretty regularly in "serious" discussions. Any of them should be editable, but the most cited ones are probably more likely to get reverted pending discussion. Meh. Nonzero effort is typically more effort than I'm interested to spend on humor pages. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:51, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- You sure you're not thinking about WP:BEANS?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- I am, and see the subpage as part of that page (it was created not long after WP:BEANS was). I say do whatever editing you want to it and see what happens. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- I saw the odd relationship, but they are two separate essays. BEANS has a real purpose and is cited often (e.g., by me at SPI), but the other is at best garbage (IMO). I don't know what page you mean me to edit to see what happens, so I can't try what you suggest.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- I am, and see the subpage as part of that page (it was created not long after WP:BEANS was). I say do whatever editing you want to it and see what happens. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- You sure you're not thinking about WP:BEANS?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Border patrol
I don't know what to do about this - currently the alien vs. migrant dispute. The posters, like Trump who they admire, are not interested in facts. Any suggestion? deisenbe (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for following up. I responded on the talk page. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace
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Seeking help with edit request for Manhattan West
Hi Rhododendrites. I am Marlee, and I found your name listed as a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City. Therefore, I thought you might be interested in an edit request I recently posted for the "Site and structures" section of Talk:Manhattan West. I am asking for your help to implement the edit request, which adds information and improves the overall content of that section. Whether you implement all or part of the request, I will be grateful. Thanks so much. Marlee Neff for Brookfield Properties (talk) 14:21, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, I wasn't randomly select you for the input on wiki-policy/guideline, that would defeat the purpose, I am going to ask the same all the major contributors to wiki-essay Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing, and since you are the second largest contributor of the text there, I was wondering if you are still interested in matters covered in the essay, and if you are, would you be interested in looking at one interesting case - if you would, I would then present you with the specifics.--౪ Santa ౪99° 19:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Santasa99: Thanks for the message. I am not a big contributor to that page. It may appear that way, but it's just because of this edit reverting vandalism. :) Are you just looking for input about whether a particular edit/editor has issues with close paraphrasing? If so, you may want to leave a message at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Great idea, thanks, it didn't occur to me to look up for Wikipedia:Copyright problems. I will certainly try there. (Yeah, I used page stats tool, and looked for the largest byte value.) Thanks for the speedy reply and the suggestion.--౪ Santa ౪99° 19:12, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
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Wanted to share our MetAfrofuturist report of new and improved articles related to the exhibition, and invite you to share at the Black Lunch Table office hours at 12pm Eastern on Sunday!
For a preview, the new articles so far are: Before Yesterday We Could Fly, Yinka Ilori, Zizipho Poswa, Thomas Commeraw, Flying Africans, Period room, and Letter 47 (Seneca).
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As far as I'm concerned
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Rhod, you're one of the good eggs around here. So, here's something entirely unoriginal but truly sincere. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 10:39, 20 February 2022 (UTC) |
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- I will allow another editor to review the article. I did enjoy the subject. Bruxton (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Variable standards on businesses
Hi, thank you for your perfectly reasonable request for a link. My AfD for a New York icecream shop is Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mikey_Likes_It_Ice_Cream. I might be completely wrong about this one; there are three shops in existence now, I believe, so it might qualify as a notable chain. I didn't like the standard of references; some are in what I would consider good sources, but they turn out to be interviews, or filler-stuff, the sort of human-interest that gets stuck in a vacant place on a low-news day, or they're more about some celebrity who's decided to visit the ice-cream shop than the shop (raising the question of whether this makes the shop notable because a celebrity likes it, or whether that's a bit too close to inherited notability). I would really like to see one or two good references that are not interviews, that are in-depth, independent and that don't look as though they were generated by Microsoft's PR department (there seems to have been a mutually-beneficial arrangement between Microsoft and Mikey's ice-cream, but whether it's notable I'm not sure; Microsoft do a lot of advertising, as you'd expect from any such company). I am giving you the link here because I don't want to encourage spurious other-stuff-exists arguments in the petzone AfD. But I do feel that we tend to be more sympathetic to businesses in the US or UK than businesses in the middle east. On a related note, we accept an article on a place in the US provided there is some evidence that someone once lived there, even if it's a mere address in an ancient newspaper - but we reject articles on complete new housing estates in other parts of the world because we're suspicious that they sound as though they're advertising the developer - even though they are tangibly places where thousands of people live. It's a difficult one to get right. I also don't want to solicit people to visit Mikey's AfD with any particular viewpoint; it's just a discussion, anyone's welcome, and I'm happy to be proven wrong. Elemimele (talk) 21:59, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Elemimele: Thanks for the message. Mikey Likes It looks like a tough call. I'd have to dig in a bit more, but what you're talking about seems like one element of Wikipedia's systemic bias. I don't think it's that people aren't sympathetic or that they don't want more articles about topics from outside North America/Europe, but (a) not everywhere has the publishing customs and infrastructure to generate many of what Wikipedia considers "reliable sources", and (b) even when they do, there aren't enough people here who know the language and are familiar with the sources. We might be able to determine what the one or two best sources are for a region, but have a hard time differentiating the rest of the spectrum from good to terrible. Mikey Likes It is in one of the largest media markets in the world, with dozens of papers/sites we consider reliable for food and business reporting. Most of the bigger publications in NYC also follow some strict journalistic standards when it comes to promotional content (certainly not all, though). That doesn't mean I think it's notable (I don't know). The last thing is: business articles are a category of article at AfD that does depend on who shows up to the discussion, because several people at AfD are very sensitive to what they perceive as promotion, and paint "promotional content" with a broad brush. Most of the time I appreciate this, but it's frustrating sometimes. It typically requires detailed source evaluation to push back in those cases when someone wants to push back. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Rhododendrites: I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's not deliberate, but it's very hard for us in New York or London (I'm not quite in London, but I can see through London eyes fairly easily) to look at something like the Mikey Likes it ice-cream thing and say "that's not promotional, I know what promotional looks like in London, and that one isn't, it's just that it's in a place that is home to a lot of important people and a lot of big news businesses, so people will have heard of it, and it's made a genuine splash" - But I can't look through Kuwaiti eyes and recognise whether a newspaper there, writing about an ice-cream chain there, is merely promotional fluff or a genuine indication of notability. And as you say, many in WP err on the side of caution when it comes to businesses. I've been quite frustrated by a few AfDs that have ended up deleting major housing projects in the middle east, which amount to complete new city suburbs housing tens of thousands of people, because most of the sources are accounts of the funding being granted to produce the things, the builders being proud to have delivered only 3 years late, or minor news articles about crimes that have been committed by the residents. This contrasts oddly with all the AfDs for a railway siding in Iowa, which end with "keep" because someone's tracked down a local newspaper from 100 years ago that says someone ran over a chicken that belonged to Mrs Smith of that address (and therefore it's an inhabited place, and thus notable, even if nothing happened there beyond one squashed chicken). It's not a deliberate bias, but it's hard to know what to do about it! I'm not going to argue the Mikey one as I don't care much either way; it's not my expertise and if New Yorkers say it's notable, then
so be it. AfD is for discussion, and if we can't discuss and accept the conclusion, what's the point? Elemimele (talk) 14:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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Interesting that there is actually a note already at the bottom of that section saying it's good practice to leave a note at the discussion. I've proposed strengthening the statement. valereee (talk) 18:07, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Going to leave a comment there. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:09, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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Nicely done
I wanted to complement this edit [1]. It's a great (and sadly too uncommon) example of respecting the logic of a person even while disagreeing with the outcome. We would probably have far fewer embittered disagreements if more people followed that lead. Springee (talk) 20:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
WikiCup 2022 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the WikiCup. Last year anyone who scored more than zero points moved on to Round 2, but this was not the case this year, and a score of 13 or more was required to proceed. The top scorers in Round 1 were:
- Epicgenius, a finalist last year, who led the field with 1906 points, gained from 32 GAs and 19 DYKs, all on the topic of New York buildings.
- AryKun, new to the contest, was second with 1588 points, having achieved 2 FAs, 11 GAs and various other submissions, mostly on the subject of birds.
- Bloom6132, a WikiCup veteran, was in third place with 682 points, garnered from 51 In the news items and several DYKs.
- GhostRiver was close behind with 679 points, gained from achieving 12 GAs, mostly on ice hockey players, and 35 GARs.
- Kavyansh.Singh was in fifth place with 551 points, with an FA, a FL, and many reviews.
- SounderBruce was next with 454 points, gained from an FA and various other submissions, mostly on United States highways.
- Ktin, another WikiCup veteran, was in seventh place with 412 points, mostly gained from In the news items.
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WikiCup 2022 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the WikiCup. Last year anyone who scored more than zero points moved on to Round 2, but this was not the case this year, and a score of 13 or more was required to proceed. The top scorers in Round 1 were:
- Epicgenius, a finalist last year, who led the field with 1906 points, gained from 32 GAs and 19 DYKs, all on the topic of New York buildings.
- AryKun, new to the contest, was second with 1588 points, having achieved 2 FAs, 11 GAs and various other submissions, mostly on the subject of birds.
- Bloom6132, a WikiCup veteran, was in third place with 682 points, garnered from 51 In the news items and several DYKs.
- GhostRiver was close behind with 679 points, gained from achieving 12 GAs, mostly on ice hockey players, and 35 GARs.
- Kavyansh.Singh was in fifth place with 551 points, with an FA, a FL, and many reviews.
- SounderBruce was next with 454 points, gained from an FA and various other submissions, mostly on United States highways.
- Ktin, another WikiCup veteran, was in seventh place with 412 points, mostly gained from In the news items.
These contestants, like all the others who qualified for Round 2, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. Between them, contestants completed reviews of a large number of good articles as the contest ran concurrently with a GAN backlog drive. Well done all! To qualify for Round 3, contestants will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two participants.
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A nod of appreciation
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I just submitted my first featured picture candidate and noticed you nominated one of my photos in the past, Thank you for doing that. I really appreciate the recognition, even if it didn't get the votes. Needsmoreritalin (talk) 23:09, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
- @Needsmoreritalin: No problem. I should say there are two Featured Picture processes. One is here on Wikipedia; the other is over on Wikimedia Commons. It's a sister site to Wikipedia -- it's where all the images are hosted and also serves as the world's largest free media resource. The Commons FP process gets a lot more participation, and involves more photographers. I used to participate in both, but found the chronic lack of participation at the process here too frustrating (and the idiosyncratic opinions about the relationship between images and articles). Commons just focuses on the photo, typically. Not to dissuade you from nominating here -- you should -- but you may also want to nominate there. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Rhododendrites: Thanks for the advice. I may try that. To be honest, I was in a photo contest one time, and I didn't like what it turned me into. I came in second, and I decided I can't be competitive with my photos, so I post some on Wikipedia, and I sell some for charity, and its made it fun and not stressful. I saw some of your images too, and they are wonderful. Needsmoreritalin talk \\ 01:54 4 March 2022 (UTC)
DYK for 2020–22 book banning in the United States
On 7 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2020–22 book banning in the United States, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a spokesperson for the American Library Association told ABC News in late 2021 that she had "never seen such a widespread effort to remove books on racial and gender diversity"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2020-22 book banning in the United States. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 2020–22 book banning in the United States), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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Your hook reached 12,559 views (1046.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of March 2022 – nice work! |
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On 11 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sunset Park Material Recovery Facility, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Sunset Park Material Recovery Facility in Brooklyn is the largest commingled recycling facility in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sunset Park Material Recovery Facility. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sunset Park Material Recovery Facility), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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DYK for Urinal target
On 14 March 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Urinal target, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to a Schiphol Airport official, installing pictures of flies in urinals reduced "spillage" by 80 per cent? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Urinal target. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Urinal target), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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- The trouble with this sort of topic at DYK is that it tends to get hidden at the bottom, in the quirky slot, even when you have some good pictures. That's what happened to my recent tinkle and now Dumelow's Sons of Neptune are being flushed away too. Still, I did manage to get top billing once... Andrew🐉(talk) 12:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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Bruxton (talk) 19:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that was good as mine only got 4,397 and Dumelow's 5,602. You win the contest! Andrew🐉(talk) 15:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't know there was a "quirky slot", but this does seem like it qualifies. I cropped the image, but could've probably cropped it more to just be a picture of the fly. Meh. I don't always know what criteria the set-makers go by. I mentioned in the DYK nom that I was weakly tempted to add an alternative hook based on the Apis joke in the article, but it felt a little too crass. Would've gotten more clicks, I bet, though. :) 16:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that was good as mine only got 4,397 and Dumelow's 5,602. You win the contest! Andrew🐉(talk) 15:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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March songs
Thank you for support in the RfC for DYK - music with a chance to listen, - the piece by Anna Korsun begins after about one hour, and the voices afterwards call "Freiheit!" instead of "Freude". Music every day, pictured in songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link, Gerda. Always nice to see a saw :) but very unsettling to my ears. Almost like some of the post-rock I listened to years ago (sans guitars). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:52, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- agree about unsettling sirens --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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A few items, re NYC meetup events
hi there. it was good to see you on the last Zoom call. just want to thank you, for being so helpful, and for providing some helpful data and information on the articles that I presented during the call.
- Just wanted to ask one question, or make a suggestion, re the meetup today at Industry City today, in Brooklyn. do you think you could please take just a few photographs, and post them on the page for the NYC meetup? i think that would be very helpful, if you want. is that ok? thanks.
- Also, here is another idea. I'm thinking that sometime in the future, maybe we could actually organize a zoom call which would be speifically for multiple local Wikipedia meetups. it could either be simply for various local meetups groups from around the USA, or maybe it could even be centered upon or based upon one or more specific topical areas. for me, obviously if I organize it, then probably I would choose to focus it around areas related to history. right now, it is just an idea, but I just wanted to mention that. Feel free to express any comments on this, if you want.
I really appreciate your help. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Sm8900 - Unfortunately I did not take any photos at the event yesterday. I think a couple people did. Jim.henderson had his camera.
- Regarding a call for multiple groups, have you seen WP:WALRUS? It's basically representatives from various US-based groups. I don't know if there have been meetups for topic-based groups. I suspect a lot of people (including me :) ) are rather over-Zoomed, but I'd be curious to hear how it goes. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- hi. thanks for that link! Actually, I was not aware of that. It's good to hear that. Thanks for that info! I think I might have a few ideas on how perhaps we might help to build up that resource, and nurture and promote some possible ways to increase participation. I'd like to think this over for a little bit. but yes, perhaps we could revisit this topic again, and look at some ways to work to develop this particular idea. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
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Very nice to see you at the Wiki NYC meetup last week.
I was hoping to ask your advice once again regarding the Village Preservation page Talk:Greenwich_Village_Society_for_Historic_Preservation. I agree with your comments on the editorial changes and the POV framing that's taking place on the page. So what are the next steps that can be taken here to repair the page and make it more accurate/neutral? It seems as if the initial editor who introduced the changes in the page won't accept anything, and I'm probably not the right person to make any changes with my COI.
Any guidance here would be appreciated! DVillageP11 (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- For any page watchers, the context here is DVillageP11 joined a Wikimedia New York City event, which is open to all, asking for advice along the lines as on that page. They got a mix of advice, and I largely said there what I had already said on the talk page. DVillageP11, the reason I'm giving this context is because off-wiki canvassing/coordination is a big concern for Wikipedians and I want to be clear that I was already involved on the talk page, didn't say anything in that meeting that I didn't say on the talk page, and am not continuing to participate because of any sort of off-wiki arrangement. Like I said, conflict of interest is messy business here. :)
- I think you're doing fine. It'll be slow. I'm concerned about some of Snooganssnoogans' edits alignment with core content policies, but if I just went in and undid them right away I would risk compounding rather than fixing the problem. I'd give it a few more days. It would be ideal if other voices got involved, but the next step to do that would probably be an WP:RFC, and it would be better for one of us without a COI to start that process if it comes to it. In the meantime, you could open a new section with another proposed change (ideally with citations to support it). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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hi. I think I already joined a while back as a member of Wikimedia NYC, at the web page https://nyc.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership Could you please tell me how I might check on my membership status? please ping me if you reply. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:07, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Sm8900. Regarding membership, I'd have to ping Pharos, who I think is most likely to have our list of members. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- ok, that sounds terrific. feel free to let me know the status. I'm happy to pay the $5.00, I just want to try to clarify if this has gone through or not. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 13:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi. sorry to bother you, but I have not received a reply on this yet. is there anyone who actively replies to inquries on this topic, to provide the data from the memebership page? thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I do not have access (to the best of my knowledge) to our membership lists. May want to reping Pharos. That said, we're currently in the process of trying to reconceptualize the idea of membership in WMNYC, as well as plans to better track/communicate with people to volunteer and/or come to events. That's down the road (later this year maybe?). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:19, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- ok, that sounds terrific. if that is the case, then may I please help out, or join any group you may be developing for volunteers?As I said I would be interested in joing the local NYC chapter, so if that proces is still being developed, I'd be interested in helping out, if possible. so if there is some way for me to get on board, maybe as a volunteer, or maybe to help with technical tasks or items, etc I would be really interested to help out a bit, based on whatever you think might be truly helpful. so feel free to let me know, any time you might wish. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- At this point, for the most part, there's not a good structure to say "hey, you want to volunteer -- that's great! -- here's a list of ways you can do that." I hope we can get there, but it's not there now. That said, there's one area which comes to mind where the general interest of the chapter exceeds our knowledge: Wikidata. Don't know if you're already involved with Wikidata or if that interests you at all, but that's something that comes to mind. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting! but no, I'm truly not experienced or even very familiar with Wikidata. I appreciate your helpful note on that, though. I think that right now, the best approach might be simply that I will make myself generally available as things move forward, here and there. If I think of anything I might like to offer, work on, etc, I may drop by to let you know, or to get your ideas, or your feedback in general, etc. it's good to have your replies on this. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- At this point, for the most part, there's not a good structure to say "hey, you want to volunteer -- that's great! -- here's a list of ways you can do that." I hope we can get there, but it's not there now. That said, there's one area which comes to mind where the general interest of the chapter exceeds our knowledge: Wikidata. Don't know if you're already involved with Wikidata or if that interests you at all, but that's something that comes to mind. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- ok, that sounds terrific. if that is the case, then may I please help out, or join any group you may be developing for volunteers?As I said I would be interested in joing the local NYC chapter, so if that proces is still being developed, I'd be interested in helping out, if possible. so if there is some way for me to get on board, maybe as a volunteer, or maybe to help with technical tasks or items, etc I would be really interested to help out a bit, based on whatever you think might be truly helpful. so feel free to let me know, any time you might wish. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I do not have access (to the best of my knowledge) to our membership lists. May want to reping Pharos. That said, we're currently in the process of trying to reconceptualize the idea of membership in WMNYC, as well as plans to better track/communicate with people to volunteer and/or come to events. That's down the road (later this year maybe?). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:19, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi. sorry to bother you, but I have not received a reply on this yet. is there anyone who actively replies to inquries on this topic, to provide the data from the memebership page? thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- ok, that sounds terrific. feel free to let me know the status. I'm happy to pay the $5.00, I just want to try to clarify if this has gone through or not. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 13:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hello Rhondodendrites, You recently undid an edit that I corrected after the user:BlackKite reverted on the grounds that there was no mention of TPUSA in the sole cited article. I added another article by a different author back in. You undid the edit again with the edit summary":
"this isn't TPUSA receiving criticism, it's fox news amplifying TPUSA outrage, and WP:WEIGHT isn't established by fox news alone here"
The actual edit reads like this:
"In 2022, TPUSA received media attention after criticizing a Chicago-area church (First United Church of Oak Park) in a piece published covering the churches promotion for what they dubbed "Fasting from Whiteness". This is a practice in which the church would not be performing any songs of worship composed by "white people". Turning Point USA's coverage sparked outrage and the church released a press release on their website further explaining their actions along with claims they received "hateful messages" once the information about "Fasting from Whiteness" spread."
-I think you may have read it wrong. I didn't accuse Turning Point USA for receiving criticism anywhere in that body of text, as you mentioned in your edit summary, I said that Turning Point USA "recieved" media attention after they themselves critisized First United Church of Oak Park. Can you please revert back as this event was quite notable, and received quite a bit of local and international media attention. I linked an additional reliable green source article according to WP:RSP, just so you can see that Fox news alone isn't the only site establishing WP:WEIGHT.
- [Religion News Service RNS] << on RSP as reliable
- [NY POST article] << corroborating article mentioning TPUSA
- [DailyWire article] << another corroborating article mentioning TPUSA. Eruditess (talk) 22:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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What camera do you recommend for someone who is starting to take an interest in photography? Your photos of birds are rather high-quality and I'm thinking about finding a second hobby. — Mhawk10 (talk) 02:38, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Mhawk10: That's great! I got started uploading my cell phone pics to Commons. I'm not up on all of the features/specs built into phone cameras these days, so can't really advise on that, but even if the megapixel count is going through the roof, phone cameras are limited by a tiny lens that just can't let as much light through as something physically bigger. It was a desire to contribute better images for Wikipedia that led me to buy a camera. If that's where you are, there are a few considerations: budget is the big one, of course, but also what kind of things you'd want to take pictures of? Wildlife, buildings, sports, landscapes, portraits, etc. I just went through these decisions when Wikimedia New York City was deciding on a camera to buy for our members to use. We settled on a nice Panasonic point-and-shoot (as opposed to an interchangeable lens format). For most things, it works great, but if you want a really wide angle for a giant building or a really long zoom for a distant bird, it doesn't have as much flexibility. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:56, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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The Sky Reflector-Net at Fulton Center, a subway and retail complex centered at the intersection of Fulton Street and Broadway in Lower Manhattan, New York City. The Sky Reflector-Net, which was commissioned by the MTA Arts & Design (the art program of the MTA), was installed in 2014 in the Fulton Center transit hub. Located at the center of the oculus, the Sky Reflector-Net uses hundreds of aluminum mirrors to provide natural sunlight from a 53 ft (16 m) skylight to an underground area as much as four stories deep. Photograph credit: User:Rhododendrites
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Male and female northern cardinals (Cardinalis cardinalis). It can be found in southeastern Canada, the United States, Mexico, Belize, and Guatemala. . Its habitat includes woodlands, gardens, shrublands, and wetlands. The northern cardinal is a mid-sized songbird with a body length of 21–23 cm (8.3–9.1 in). It is mainly granivorous, but also feeds on insects and fruit. The male behaves territorially, marking out his territory with song. During courtship, the male feeds seed to the female beak-to-beak. A clutch of three to four eggs is laid, and two to four clutches are produced each year. Photograph credit: Rhododendrites
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hi there! would it be possible to please schedule another group call? it could be the whole chapter if you want. or alternately, just the NYC Meetup board. or alternately, you, me, plus any other people you might wish. nothing major, but a few substantive updates, on a few different things. I hope that's ok? feel free to let me know. thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. By another group call, what do you mean? Another WikiWednesday? If there's something on your mind that may be of interest to others in the chapter, you're always welcome to post to the WMNYC talk page to see if there's interest, or post to Discord, etc. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you mean. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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Talk:Main_Page#Planned_POTD_2022-06-13_(File:Michele_Merkin_1.jpg)
Seriously? You seriously need to bring this up in a discussion that's already splintering in a million directions? I get you have a personal bugbear against En-wiki FPC. This was not the time to bring it up. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 19:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- What is the time to bring it up, if not when people are talking (implicitly or otherwise) about the selection of POTD and the relationship of that process to FPC? If I raise it when there's no active issue, nobody will care.
- That said, I get that the current thread(s) involve a lot of stuff being thrown in your direction. While I don't agree with you that it's inappropriate to bring up, in an effort not to exacerbate what I'm sure is a stressful thread, I'll replace it with a pointer here if anyone wants to follow up. Fair? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm. could've sworn the reply link automatically generated a ping. Oh well. Here it is: @Adam Cuerden: — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:18, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- You suggested we throw out the whole process literally immediately after I had spent two weeks or so setting up the next six months of POTD. Back when POTD had less than a week of images queued up? Great time. After someone had just spent literal hundreds of hours making a massive backlog? Really terrible time Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 20:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- First, I think it's great you've set up a POTD buffer. Thanks for that. In no scenario would I support getting rid of that. Even if, against the odds, enough people agree that we should start using Commons FPs, that's no reason to delist current enwp FPs, and it's no reason to toss out the current POTD queue. The ideal would be to keep everything we have and just stop promoting new ones. Mark enwp FPC as historical, keep the current FPs as-is, and just start allowing Commons FPs. IMO. But we can talk about it another time, too. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- You suggested we throw out the whole process literally immediately after I had spent two weeks or so setting up the next six months of POTD. Back when POTD had less than a week of images queued up? Great time. After someone had just spent literal hundreds of hours making a massive backlog? Really terrible time Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 20:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
FPC
(Moved from Talk:Main page — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:19, 12 June 2022 (UTC))
Periodic reminder that one of the main reasons (if not the main reason) we maintain a parallel FPC process, rather than phase it out when Commons centralized it, is to select images for our POTD. Participation has been a bit better over the last year than in the past several (kudos to participants for that, indeed -- and apologies for otherwise being a naysayer in the face of some improvement), but it still almost never promotes at the rate of 1/day. The awkward rules about use of images in articles (is it used? is it still used? where on the page is it used? is it discussed in the text? is the article otherwise decent quality?) plus slim participation means idiosyncratic opinions get more weight than they do on Commons. The Commons process gets far more people participating and promotes about 3/day vs. <1/day, and includes much of what gets promote here (as well as a bunch of stuff that isn't used in articles, granted, but a lot that could be but isn't yet). Instead of going through a separate FPC process where a few people select what should be in the pool of POTDs, then having a separate process to choose POTDs, and then having a discussion when the broader community sees what the FPC community promoted, we could take advantage of the process that already gets more participation and provides more options, and can just focus on a process which selects POTDs from those. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with marking enwiki FPC historical and just having one FP process at Commons. Enwiki could then still have a POTD process, which chooses from among Commons FPs. I also agree that we should take a look at POTD guidelines (e.g., used in an article, as you mentioned) to see if they're still helpful. Levivich 20:41, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- The only exception(s) I can think of is/are any image that is considered free on Wikipedia but cannot be on Commons (such as anything with {{PD-US-expired-abroad}}). WP:FPCR only says that it must be freely-licensed and thus not fair use. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 17:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm always on board with merging redundant processes. This seems like a prime candidate. Best, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 03:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I opposed killing off en-FPC the last time I saw it come around, but I'm shifting towards the point of view that it's not a useful process. It's supposed to have different standards from commons, focusing more on being informative than on being pretty and unblemished, but in practice that's not what most of the regular participants care most about, so it ends up just being a smaller-participation copy of commons. What's the point of that? —David Eppstein (talk) 04:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- From my experience, informative images that aren't sufficiently "pretty" really do do badly on Commons. Just looking at things I've had promoted recently, these four passed here easily, but not on Commons:
- Comparing the discussions here and there could well be informative. Since you tend to get more of what you encourage, I could certainly see a switch to Commons eliminating large categories of images from getting brought to Wikipedia at all. Also, there's a LOT of things that pass Commons with basically no use cases. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 21:32, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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event today in Bronx
Hi. It was great to see you yesterday at the zoom call. Thanks for all your ideas!
Look at this. Here is a wikipedia meetup event, which will be today in the Bronx!! I will post the text below.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikicari/status/1539369817647755264
Thurs, June 23, 1-4PM join us and WikiCari in #OldSanJuan and the Bronx as Wikimedia expert hosts a Wikipedia meetup/photo walk focused on #PuertoRico. Both events are at @ChocobarCortes locations in PR and NYC. More info at link below. Sm8900 (talk) 09:24, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Here is the link for the actual events. Thanks.
https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Events/San_Juan/2022-06-23 Sm8900 (talk) 09:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: Thanks for the heads up. I won't be able to attend, but it sounds like a great event. I'm surprised I haven't seen anything about this before now, but that's likely because it's primarily organized in Puerto Rico. Not sure who's organizing locally. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Interesting group item
I just found this interesting item in your talk page archives: Discussion on Growth team "add an image" idea, which also led me to this interesting team and project. mw:Growth. I may add this to the navbox that I showed you. thanks!! Sm8900 (talk) 14:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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hi. it was great to see you on the zoom call for the nyc meetup chapter. would it be ok if I send you an invite via email, to join the forums site for "movement strategy" i.e. the site that hists the threads run by Discourse? I hope that's ok. we could really use your input there. feel free to let me know. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
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