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For yours efforts in polishing many overlooked but important articles about Islamic/Arab/Berber architectures. JahlilMA (talk) 15:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
Madrasa Al-Ashrafiyya
Thank you for starting the Madrasa Al-Ashrafiyya...I had been working (slowly!) on a draft, User:Huldra/Madrasah al-Ashrafiyya-
Do you have the Burgoyne-book? Lots of interesting info there. The ones I have started a draft on are linked on User:Huldra/Mamluk Jerusalem, cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! I did see that book mentioned but unfortunately had to make do with whatever was available online. I have a lot more on Cairo, but I wrote this one on the side. Do add more! Cheers, Casual Builder (talk) 21:12, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Bab Doukkala Mosque
As a new pages patroller its a real pleasure to come across an article about neither a football player of a lump of pop music. And I do like a good mosque!TheLongTone (talk) 13:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- And looking at your article on the fortifications of Fes, I'd simply publish it. The references could be better, but imo the subject is notable and the article is already better than the vast majority if new pages I come across.TheLongTone (talk) 13:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Cheers! I'll sit on the Fortifications of Fes draft for now, at least until I can have a decent skeleton of the article up and running onto which myself and others can keep adding, but good to know it would be good to go soon. Robert Prazeres (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- And looking at your article on the fortifications of Fes, I'd simply publish it. The references could be better, but imo the subject is notable and the article is already better than the vast majority if new pages I come across.TheLongTone (talk) 13:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions!
Hi there @Robert Prazeres:, I'd just like to thank you for the highly valuable contributions you've been making recently to pages about historical landmarks in Morocco. إيان (talk) 20:08, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you! Robert Prazeres (talk) 20:30, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much!
Hey @Robert Prazeres:, I just wanted to thank you again for all of your very valuable contributions on Morocco-related articles. I'm part of the Wikimedia Morocco User Group, and if you're ever going to be in Morocco, or if you would otherwise like to get to know our group, don't hesitate to get in touch. إيان (talk) 19:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! I'll keep that in mind. I haven't been since 2015 but I'm always itching to go back! Robert Prazeres (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thank you for the incredible work you have done on the Wikipedia pages of so many Moroccan religious landmarks. Your contributions are highly esteemed by the Moroccan Wikipedia community. Delpha (talk) 09:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC) |
- Thank you! Robert Prazeres (talk) 07:27, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
1978 Somali coup d'état attempt nominated for DYK
Hi. I nominated 1978 Somali coup d'état attempt at DYK. You can see the nomination here: Template:Did you know nominations/1978 Somali coup d'état attempt.
I encourage you to nominate future articles you create, expand 5x in size, or get to Good Article, as many of the articles at DYK are from Europe or North America.
Sincerely, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Büyük Valide Han
![]() | On 5 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Büyük Valide Han, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Büyük Valide Han, a 17th-century caravanserai in Istanbul, was one of the locations used for a motorcycle chase scene in the 2012 James Bond movie Skyfall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Büyük Valide Han. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Büyük Valide Han), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Jamai Palace
![]() | On 10 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jamai Palace, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Jamai Palace in Fez was originally the residence of a grand vizier, but was later seized by the state, sold, and converted into a hotel? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jamai Palace. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jamai Palace), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Kasbah of Moulay Ismail
Hello! Your submission of Kasbah of Moulay Ismail at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! HaEr48 (talk) 23:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Query on mosques
Hello, and nice work on your Islamic/Middle Eastern architecture articles. Looks like you're very knowledgeable on this topic, so wondering if you can help me with two questions:
- Muhammad al-Qunawi (d. 1524) is described as having worked at the Yeni Camii/New Mosque of Istanbul, [1]. Any idea if this mosque still exists today, and if it is now known by a different name? I tried searching wikipedia and commons, but can't find anything to link.
- Ibn 'Adlan (1187–1268) is desribed as having taught at the as-Salih Mosque of Cairo. Is Al-Salih Tala'i Mosque the right link target? The name and period seems to match, but al-Salih seems to be a frequent enough name of rulers at this period to make it somewhat plausible that there is another major mosque of the same name. HaEr48 (talk) 00:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, thanks! For the first question, I'm not sure because it says (in the source) the Yeni Camii in Edirne, not Istanbul? If it's Edirne, I'm familiar with the major mosques there too but I don't actually know of any of them going by that name, so I guess we'd need more context. Maybe Yeni Camii here just refers to any "new mosque" mentioned by some historical chronicle at the time? Unfortunately I'm not sure what to think. If it was in Istanbul, there are at least a couple of major mosques known as Yeni Camii (both known more fully as Yeni Valide Camii): the most famous one is the one in Eminönü neighbourhood (see New Mosque, Istanbul), and another one is in Üsküdar neighbourhood (see Yeni Valide Mosque).
- For the second question I'm a little more confidant. Unless the original source can clarify to the contrary, it seems much more likely that this would be a reference to the Salihiyya Madrasa, which was a major Ayyubid religious complex and learning center of its time, founded in 1242 by Sultan al-Salih Ayyub (so seemingly well within the lifetime of Ibn Adlan, though I don't know more about him). The Mosque of al-Salih Tala'i was not a madrasa; teaching could still take place in regular mosques, but by default it makes much more sense to assume it was the madrasa of that name. Since it was a multi-purpose religious complex (one of many in Cairo from this period onward), it's not unusual for other sources to refer to it simply as a "mosque", even if it was primarily a madrasa (and subsequently a mausoleum for the namesake sultan). You can also find pictures of it in the Commons here. (Note that there's currently another page, Mausoleum of Al-Saleh Nagm Al-Din Ayyub, which refers to the same building but I've already suggested it be merged into the other, just haven't come around to it yet.)
- I hope that helps a bit! Robert Prazeres (talk) 01:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- PS: Great work by the way on improving the Qibla page and nominating it for featured article! I remember trying to write from scratch a subsection on the historical qibla in the Maghreb for the Kutubiyya Mosque page earlier this year, just shortly before, so it's great to see this topic getting a much fuller treatment. Robert Prazeres (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your help. For al-Qunawi, yes you're right, the source says the new mosque of Edirne, I mistakenly typed Istanbul into your talk page. If there is no mosque going by that name I'll just leave it unlinked. You may be right that it might just be a new mosque at that time. Thank you for pointing out that Al-Salih Tala'i mosque was not a learning institution and it is more likely the Salihiyya Madrasa. No, the source does not have any more detail than saying "He had his class in as-Salih Mosque of Cairo, where he died in AH 666/AD 1268." (also, this source is an English translation from Arabic, so it is possible too that it's a translation of something like "the religious complex of Al-Salih"). One more question, the main image on the Mausoleum page is titled "Madrasah al zazer" (File:Cairo, madrasa al-zazer 02.JPG), is that the same thing? HaEr48 (talk) 03:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The image is in the correct category/page, but the file name is just a little misleading because it refers to a former adjacent monument, the Madrasa of al-Zahir Baybars, which was almost entirely demolished in modern times. So the domed structure and the minaret you see in those pictures belonged indeed to the Salihiyya complex. Robert Prazeres (talk) 04:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Robert Prazeres, Thank you. I made this adjustment to Ibn 'Adlan [2], does that seem appropriate to you? HaEr48 (talk) 04:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yup that looks fine to me. Robert Prazeres (talk) 05:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Robert Prazeres, Thank you. I made this adjustment to Ibn 'Adlan [2], does that seem appropriate to you? HaEr48 (talk) 04:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The image is in the correct category/page, but the file name is just a little misleading because it refers to a former adjacent monument, the Madrasa of al-Zahir Baybars, which was almost entirely demolished in modern times. So the domed structure and the minaret you see in those pictures belonged indeed to the Salihiyya complex. Robert Prazeres (talk) 04:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Kasbah of Moulay Ismail
![]() | On 18 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kasbah of Moulay Ismail, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the royal palace complex of Moulay Ismail in Meknes was so extensive that it was nicknamed the "Moroccan Versailles"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kasbah of Moulay Ismail. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Kasbah of Moulay Ismail), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Victorian Turkish bath
Sorry about the brief deletion; I didn't see your edit summary saying you'd taken content from Turkish bath before I ran the copyvio tool. I've undone my mistake. Schazjmd (talk) 23:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- No worries, I'm still in the process of giving making needed links and so on. R Prazeres (talk) 23:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Messages
Just sent you an email. I probably should have used this page (?) but this is the first time I've ever contacted anyone on wiki. What I should do here though is add my voice to those who have thanked you for all the hard work you've done on the Turkish Bath page. It is really so much better now.Ishpoloni (talk) 08:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Ishpoloni 2 October 2020
- Thanks! I'm glad it helped. And for the Victorian Turkish bath page, don't hesitate to improve according to what you think is best; Western architecture isn't my strong suite so I wasn't planning on adding more to it. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Tahtakale Hamam
![]() | On 27 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tahtakale Hamam, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Tahtakale Hamam, one of the oldest public bathhouses in Istanbul, now serves as a shopping center? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tahtakale Hamam. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tahtakale Hamam), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
— Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Minbar of the Ibrahimi Mosque
![]() | On 6 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Minbar of the Ibrahimi Mosque, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the minbar of the Ibrahimi Mosque in the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron was originally made for a Fatimid shrine in Ashkelon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Minbar of the Ibrahimi Mosque. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Minbar of the Ibrahimi Mosque), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Yo Ho Ho
Hi what make you delete my article every time?
. Thetranslaterofhistory (talk). 22:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Thetranslaterofhistory, the reasons for reverting your edits are indicated to you every time in the edit summaries, so you should pay attention to feedback from other editors. Read the links that we give you (such as Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Consensus dos and don'ts, etc), and make sure you understand and respect Wikipedia guidelines and policies before you edit. While you are welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, it's your responsibility to make sure your edits are improving the article in the right way; other editors can clean up small mistakes, but not big ones. If you remove a lot of content and then add a lot of content, and your changes are not reliably sourced or not clearly justified, other editors will revert it. This is an encyclopedia that everybody reads, so that's why it's important to make sure it is always improving, becoming clearer, and becoming more reliable.
- I suggest that you start by making smaller edits and practice basic functions like inserting citations correctly to support them. When you're trying out something new make sure you look for any Wikipedia policies or guidelines that might tell you how to do it. (For example, if you want to add some pictures, look at MOS:IMAGES first.) If there are problems with a particular article and you're not sure how to fix it, or if you make an edit on a page and it's reverted by another editor, you should go to the talk page for that article and explain yourself there or ask for help (as per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle). Do not simply redo your edits without making sure you've addressed the feedback given by other editors, or it will be reverted again and you could be accused of edit-warring (see WP:EDITWAR). I hope this helps. R Prazeres (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
We may have another one: User: Castilespringx1 began a few days back with [3] (a major rewrite reverted as copyvio), which is not particularly diagnostic, but followed it with [4] (remove mention of slaves of non-Arab ethnicity), [5] (another article rewrite immediately reverted), [6] (replaced 'Bedouin' with 'Arab'), [7] (removed mention of parallel Hebrew origin of the name, making it exclusively Arab), [8] (removed reference to Moors from cited content). I don't know that behaviorally it is a perfect match, but four of the six edits fit the pattern, so probably worth keeping an eye on. Agricolae (talk) 14:51, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. It does look familiar. The targeting of Emirate of Sicily and the style of the edit summaries also makes it more so. R Prazeres (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Great Mosque of Tlemcen
![]() | On 18 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Great Mosque of Tlemcen, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the ornamental dome of the Great Mosque of Tlemcen is considered one of the most exceptional examples of Almoravid architecture? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Great Mosque of Tlemcen. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Great Mosque of Tlemcen), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
CheckUser and IPs
Just FYI, since you mentioned it at SPI, generally a CheckUser is not an option on IPs because it effectively entails WP:OUTING (plus if the person is using a proxy server, it may not be indicative). Except foor rare circumstances, CheckUser is restricted to comparing among logins. A call on socking by IPs, or comparing IPs to logins, is based solely on WP:DUCK patterns of behavior. Agricolae (talk) 18:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Right, that makes perfect sense. I don't think I meant to actually suggest it that way but thanks for pointing it out, I'll be less casual about it in the future. R Prazeres (talk) 18:43, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Congratulations
Your DYK hook about the Great Mosque of Tlemcen and its ornamental Almoravid dome drew 5,425 page views (452 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of March as shown at Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics#March 2021. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 21:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks! R Prazeres (talk) 22:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
SPI
Hello, you (and perhaps also Agricolae) might want to know about this SPI. Apaugasma (talk|contribs) 11:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Madrasa Umm al-Sultan Shaban
Hey User:R_Prazeres I was planning on adding a bit more to the page but wanted to work along with you. I would like to add a section on the actual endowment deed of the madrasa, update some of the information in the historical background section, and add more primary source citations. Mamlukist (talk) 19:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Mamlukist, that's a great idea, go for it. (And my edits were just suggestions for format, so no don't feel like they're final.) I don't have most of my books on this subject with me right now, so I might not be able to help much with content, but if you want I can have a look at the article again when you're finished and make suggestions on layout/style, if there's any to be made. Thanks for your work. R Prazeres (talk) 19:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi R_Prazeres. I just didn't want to step on anyone's toes since I am the newcomer. Thanks for the help! Mamlukist (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not at all, I just tried to get some of these topics started, but they're always there to be improved. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi User:R_Prazeres I've suggested a new Wikiproject Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Historic Monuments in Cairo for Historic Monuments of Cairo. Would be grateful if you could support. Mamlukist (talk) 20:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Some baklava for you!
Hi thanks for creating Sidi El Haloui Mosque which I’ve just reviewed. Happy editing! Mccapra (talk) 03:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC) |
Recent Edit
Apologies regarding my recent edit, I should have specified what exactly the WP:OR was in the edit summary. In the Capture of Tlemcen (1550) I had removed it because the involvement of the “Pashalik of Algiers” seemed incorrect as Tlemcen was a Spanish vassal at the time of its capture and had been since the Janissaries were driven out by the Spaniards in 1547.[1][2]
“In 1547 Alcaudete returned to the charge once more , entered Tlemcen and again set up a puppet ruler ; but by this time his Turkish rivals had learned what the Spaniards were apparently never able to comprehend , namely , the futility of all efforts to maintain control through vassal kings . In the spring of 1552 the redoubtable Hassan Corso , sent in from Algiers , conquered Tlemcen”[3]
“In 1547 , in order to bring aid to the strongpoint of Mostaganem , besieged by the Count of Alcaudete , the janissaries had to abandon Tlemcen , the king of which became once more a client of Spain”[4]
Thanks.
- Hi Kabz15, thanks for the reply, but your edit didn't really change that item on the page. You mostly removed material from other items. So that wasn't the problem.
- Even on your point here: the Campaign of Tlemcen (1551) isn't solely about Tlemcen, as the Saadian army moved against the Ottomans after occupying Tlemcen. You should also consult multiple sources on this point, because based on Abun Nasr's book on pages 155-157, it seems that the Ottomans had reinstalled their own client Zayyanid ruler (Muhammad, followed by al-Hassan) shortly after defeating the Spanish in 1547, but apparently didn't leave an Ottoman garrison. So the Spanish puppet ruler was already gone by then it seems. If anything, the Zayyanids could probably be added in the list of combatants here, even if they were just vassals at this point.
- One suggestion I could make is that unless your revisions or very minor or are closely related, try not to make major unrelated changes to more than one item at a time in the same edit. This makes it easier for you to explain your edit to others and also for others to review your edits independently.
- PS: On a side-note, please avoid citing Comer Plummer III as a source, as his book appears to be self-published and therefore not a reliable source. (It's not an issue for your comment here, just a notice for any future edits since you cited him here.)
- Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 20:13, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ History of Islam: Classical period, 1206-1900 C.E Masudul Hasan
- ^ Roads to Ruin: The War for Morocco in the Sixteenth Century By Comer Plummer III
- ^ The Emperor Roger Bigelow Merriman
- ^ History of North Africa: Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, from the Arab Conquest to 1830, Volume 2 Charles André Julien Routledge & K. Paul
Question on Moussine
Sorry, I do not have Gaston Deverdun at hand. In the article on the Mosque I read " that the name derives from an Arabic word like "muwasiyyin" which could denote the former presence of craftsmen". Why just "craftsmen"? Doen't Deverdun write of knife makers? 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:BD04:31F5:8478:D28B (talk) 16:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- On the page in question he only speaks of artisans, without specifying further. He may speak of knife makers in the area at some other point, but I stuck to what the source was saying on this particular point. Also, just a reminder that these types of questions should generally go on the talk page of the relevant page (i.e. Mouassine Mosque), not on the talk page of the user who made the edit; it's fine if the question is for me alone, but in general it helps to have it on the talk page there so that other editors can easily see any discussion that's relevant to the page. If you want to make sure a particular user is notified of a comment on another talk page, you can also tag them using this method. R Prazeres (talk) 17:40, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Just to show that muwasiyyin are knife makers: https://tajinequiparle.com/francais-arabe-marocain/couteau/ 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:5558:97B:D9D5:91A3 (talk) 19:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- No problem. I've looked at another relevant article (Almela 2019, "Religious Architecture as an Instrument for Urban Renewal: Two Religious Complexes from the Saadian Period in Marrakesh") and the author mentions exactly the same thing, but also adds, like Deverdun, that the etymology is not certain and that the current form of the name doesn't match the exact derivation expected from that source, so it's still up to debate. That said, I'll add this to the article later today because it's clearly relevant. Thanks for noticing. R Prazeres (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Actually I re-read Deverdun and I was mistaken: he does indeed say knife-makers in the same paragraph. When I read the passage the first time I got a different sense out of it for some reason but it's clear from reading it again in context. R Prazeres (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Glad to have been able to contribute. BTW, is Deverdun available as pdf? thanks 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:4DF3:3C86:47D1:A4A9 (talk) 05:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sadly no (and believe me I have looked for it, lol). I'm only able to consult it thanks to a physical copy. R Prazeres (talk) 05:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Glad to have been able to contribute. BTW, is Deverdun available as pdf? thanks 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:4DF3:3C86:47D1:A4A9 (talk) 05:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Just to show that muwasiyyin are knife makers: https://tajinequiparle.com/francais-arabe-marocain/couteau/ 2A02:8109:B6C0:C388:5558:97B:D9D5:91A3 (talk) 19:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
File nominated for deletion
Hi, R Prazeres !
I recently nominated a page on Wikipedia for deletion. Could you give your opinion on the discussion page in question since you are contributor on these kind of topics? Thank you!
Medina alzahira
Bonjour, merci pour les développements sur Medina Alzahra. Je ne m'occupe pas trop de en:WP, mais c'est un joli travail. En ce qui concerne la partie sur Medina Alzahira (qui m'intéresse particulièrement), le consensus s'est beaucoup affiné depuis 30 ans, et il est acquis que la forteresse est à l'Est de Cordoue, avec des hypothèses fortes sur deux localisations particulières. Voir l'article que j'ai rédigé sur le sujet (et dont je m'étonne qu'il ne soit pas en anglais) fr:Madinat_al-Zahira. v_atekor (talk) 07:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Merci pour le compliment et merci pour l'info! Un emplacement à l'est semblait être l'hypothèse la plus commune, mais pas encore confirmé pour le moment, en attendant des fouilles archéologiques. Mais je vais modifier la formulation sur la page pour être plus clair, car l'hypothèse d'un emplacement à l'ouest semble certainement pas celle de la majorité. R Prazeres (talk) 14:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Autopatroller
Hi R Prazeres, thanks for writing those articles on architecture. I have set your account as wp:Autopatrolled. Regards ϢereSpielChequers 10:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Spelling of Marrakech/Marrakesh
Hello, I noticed you reverted my edits about spelling in Marrakech, and I was wondering why you deemed it as "inappropriate". The spelling changes were made to accurately correspond to how Marrakech is commonly spelled in Morocco (on all signage, maps, documents, etc.). Thanks. --2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:D0B:C624:F30D:6913 (talk) 00:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, that's not the common spelling in English and it's not the name used for the article itself (see WP:ENGLISH), therefore it is inappropriate to systematically change names across Wikipedia articles without first soliciting a consensus to do so. If you would like to discuss changing the article name or solicit consensus on the issue, I suggest you bring this up at the talk page for Marrakesh (Talk:Marrakesh). The same goes for other city names (though I'd suggest you make your arguments at one page first and if successful there you could then bring it up at other pages). Sincerely, R Prazeres (talk) 00:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hello again and thank you for your response. I was not familiar of WP:ENGLISH at first so thanks for bringing that into light. Since my edit for changing "Marrakesh" to "Marrakech" was reverted so quickly, I don't see the need for me to go to Talk:Marrakesh for a consensus because I doubt I'll get one (according to WP:ENGLISH as you mentioned), I think it will be best to leave it as it is, "Marrakesh" and "Marrakech" are close enough anyway, with nearly identical pronunciations. I also dug through some of the sources in the article, most of which spelled "Marrakesh", so obviously it's not worth going any further to change the spelling again. Regards. --2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:D0B:C624:F30D:6913 (talk) 00:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- No worries, I would also guess that it wouldn't reach consensus, to be honest, but I wanted to let you know of the options. There have been a couple of discussions recently about changing the name of the Fez, Morocco page, for example, and they didn't go anywhere. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 00:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hello again and thank you for your response. I was not familiar of WP:ENGLISH at first so thanks for bringing that into light. Since my edit for changing "Marrakesh" to "Marrakech" was reverted so quickly, I don't see the need for me to go to Talk:Marrakesh for a consensus because I doubt I'll get one (according to WP:ENGLISH as you mentioned), I think it will be best to leave it as it is, "Marrakesh" and "Marrakech" are close enough anyway, with nearly identical pronunciations. I also dug through some of the sources in the article, most of which spelled "Marrakesh", so obviously it's not worth going any further to change the spelling again. Regards. --2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:D0B:C624:F30D:6913 (talk) 00:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for adding this by the way. --2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:D0B:C624:F30D:6913 (talk) 00:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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For your work and effort bringing Fez, Morocco to GA status. Much appreciated! ––FormalDude talk 22:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Hi, I just noticed your removal. One of the elements discussed in th removed text may be seen here. If you do not mind, I wish to undo the removal and add this link as reference. It is difficult to find textual references for this graphic phenomenon. There is a similar art on the eastern portal of Niğde Alaaddin Mosque, a contemporary, consisting of shadow lines depicting the face of a woman. Cobanyastigi (talk) 15:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Cobanyastigi. As you know, content doesn't belong on Wikipedia unless it can be verified with reliable sources, and a post on Pinterest is not a reliable source. I don't see anything about it on MuslimHeritage.com either, which also wouldn't particularly be a reliable source either. The claim itself sounds dubious and I would argue that under WP:EXCEPTIONAL it needs even stronger sourcing than other, less disputable claims. I've read or looked through multiple scholarly studies on this mosque and this is never mentioned. If you can present a reliable, independent source that presents this claim, you can add it, as long as it is also carefully worded to reflect the source.
- In fact the same material at Niğde Alaaddin Mosque should also be mostly removed, as it is clearly also WP:OR. The cited source, which isn't by a scholar and not published in a scholarly context, might be enough to support the idea that it's a local legend, but that's about it. R Prazeres (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
I'm a professor organizing the #StudentsOfIslamicArt Wikipedia edit-a-thon, and wanted to say thank you for your collegial and supportive comments on my students' creation of the new article on the Mausoleum of Shajar al-Durr. You not only helped them improve the article, but you modeled a courteous and professional online interaction for them, which is what Wikipedia should be all about. Have a kitten as a token of my gratitude for helping them learn what a great place Wikipedia is!
ArtsOfIslam (talk) 19:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- My pleasure! Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
About the Saadians map
I saw your former edits on the saadi dynasty map [[10]] , i really appreciated it along with all your works and efforts to improve moroccan related articles, the newest map added by @Askelaaden still requires a lot of work, as it differs largely from the map cited on the source, also don't you think it should include temporarily controlled regions like Telmcen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.157.172.68 (talk) 21:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, the map is based directly on a published atlas as cited on its description page and I've even revised it myself, so I don't see any problem with it. There is no particular need to indicate areas of temporary occupation, as this is just an overview map and it's not really normal practice to do so unless the occupation was significant. If you are one of the users who has been repeatedly changing the map, please stop doing this as it constitutes edit-warring and it could eventually result in the page being locked to prevent further editing by most users. If you want to discuss a disagreement or any issue with the article, please do so on the article's talk page, but you must also respect the consensus of editors. R Prazeres (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Medersa Bou Inania, Meknès, Maroc ?
Dear R.,
Thanks for your attentive refutation of a photograph: indeed NOT in Fes, Morocco. File:ASC Leiden - van Achterberg Collection - 07 - 032 - Une cour avec une fontaine et une galerie, Medersa Bou Inania, Meknès - Maroc - Début des années 1990.jpg - i have corrected the title. However, it seems to be Medersa Bou Inania, Meknès, Maroc, not the Mausoleum of Mouley Ismail, Meknes: look at the mosaic.
- You agree?
Thank you, Sincerely, Hansmuller (talk) 12:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Hansmuller:, thanks for your attention to it. But no it's not the Medersa Bou Inania; if it was, the arches would be different and the walls completely covered in decoration. You can see in this picture (or others in the same category):
- While some of the mosaic patterns may repeat in both monuments (which is common), if you look at the wider mosaics you'll see they're different too. Compare instead with these pictures from the courtyard of the Mausoleum of Moulay Ismail:
- As you can see the arches are the same, the mosaics, the small band of stucco, and even the lanterns are the same, etc. I've been to these places a few times (I don't know if you have as well) so I recognized it immediately. Do you mind if you change it again back to specify the Mausoleum? Thanks again, R Prazeres (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- PS: I forgot to add the "reply-to-" template to my original response so I added it after. Apologies if that generated any repetitive notifications to you. R Prazeres (talk) 19:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
horseshoe arch
This is regarding an edit you just reverted https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1089583493
1) It is not contradicted by other cited sources as it talks about "pointed horseshoe arch"
2)My source is reliable. The snippet wasn't showing but this info was visible in search result
I request you to make modifications and re-add my edit 223.233.64.207 (talk) 17:34, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're right, my apologies. I missed the word "pointed" and so it looked like someone was just trying to contradict the rest of the discussion about the horseshoe arch in general. I've reverted my revert. I might look for a more recent source to add, if possible, but the statement works in that context. Thanks for following up. R Prazeres (talk) 18:09, 24 May 2022 (UTC)