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Re: B&IL
You changed the links from British & Irish Lions to British and Irish Lions. If you look carefully, you'll see the article is correctly located at British & Irish Lions, so your change was inappropriate. The flag you added is also original research and therefore shouldn't be used per MOS:ICON. Finally, information generally shouldn't be hidden at all (per MOS:COLLAPSE); I'm not too bothered about hiding the info from the tour matches, but the info for the tests definitely shouldn't be hidden. Hope that makes sense to you. Cheers. – PeeJay 20:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- @PeeJay: You're right about the link so "British & Irish Lions" was the original name of the article, my bad. About the flag, I took it from Template:Country data British & Irish Lions so I was far of thinking it was original research. Thanks for your advices and if you believe I missed something, just let me know. Regards, Fma12 (talk) 17:34, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Honors section on football articles
What's up. I noticed you removed all the runner-up honors on Club Atlético Tigre, is it a standard to avoid including runner-up places (and only leave first-place titles) in this section? 67.233.63.152 (talk) 23:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
"Honours" layout and formatting
Hi there. Thanks for updating Carlos García Cambón. Going forward, please use the standard layout and formatting as outlined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players which is the result of past discussions of the community of football editors at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. Specifically, we don't use counts unless the number is over 5. Linking the league twice violates MOS:REPEATLINK. I've fixed both issues. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 14:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Flag lists and Fila
Hi Fma12,
I'd like for you to weigh in on Talk:Fila#List of Sponsorships, as you're pretty active on the topic. There has been a "Sponsorships" section throughout that page's history, and the most recent one was reliably-sourced but deleted. Thanks. 70.163.208.142 (talk) 06:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, I have left a feedback on the talk page. And also restored your edits. Fma12 (talk) 10:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Keeplocal
Don't remove {{keeplocal}} from images you did not upload. I don't care if you import them into Commons for use at other projects. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Locke Cole: First of all, be polite when you're talking to me. Second, I did not remove the keeplocal tag on purpose, beyond of the fact that moving free images to commons is recommended (see template:Copy to Wikimedia Commons section). I don't have any problems with keeping that file or any other one, it's not relevant to me. On the other hand, your reversion of my edit on GM is only disruptive, so why is the reason to revert a good faith edit removing the same image from commons? Why do you not upload the files directly to that site?
- Maybe you're upset because of the discussion for the Cadillac logo (?), but I had no personal issues with you. Until now. You're not a newbie here so I don't know why are starting a non-sense edit warring instead of being collaborative at all. If you persist with this behaviour I'll report you.
- By the way, when you reverted my edits on GM Specialty Vehicles (logo).svg you also deleted the template:Information (which I had be added giving format to the summary section). Next time, be aware of that. Fma12 (talk) 09:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
First of all, be polite when you're talking to me.
I was not impolite.your reversion of my edit on GM is only disruptive
No, it was not. I was restoring the original link to the local copy, your name change (FileImporter defaults to the name on the source project, so you had to willfully change it when importing to Commons) and attempt to orphan the local copy was the disruption ....so why is the reason to revert a good faith edit removing the same image from commons?
You will not be allowed to orphan the local copy for the copy at Commons. THAT is disruptive.Why do you not upload the files directly to that site?
I have a litany of reasons to not use Commons. None of which are your concern. As I plainly stated in my original message, I have no issue with you importing them into Commons for use in other projects. I take issue with the attempt to remove {{keeplocal}} from the local copies here and orphan the local files.- I note that you also moved File talk:General Motors (logo with wordmark, horizontal).svg again. Stop doing that, as you're separating the image discussion from the local file.
- I am a volunteer. I am not paid to do this. My time here is finite. If my responses come off as impolite it's because you've made me stop doing the thing I want to do (contribute) to take time to stop you from damaging my work.
If you persist with this behaviour I'll report you.
I'll note here that you're the first person moving to threats, not me (and based only upon my terse, to the point, message above). With that being said, if you don't stop trying to orphan images I've uploaded in favor of copies you renamed when importing to Commons, or if you persist in removing {{keeplocal}} from images you did not upload, YOU will be taken to WP:AN/I. Do you understand everything I've explained to you? —Locke Cole • t • c 15:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Locke Cole: I perceived your tone was far from polite. Better if it was not. I'm as volunteer as you. I'm not being paid for this, my only interest is to improve articles and being collaborative with the free knowledge. When you say "you've made me stop doing the thing I want to do (contribute) to take time to stop you from damaging my work", you're wrong, because the GM logos are not "your work" but PD-textlogos also created by other person. As those logos are free, any user can make (presuming good faith of course) edits to them. In fact, I've uploaded a lot of logos to WP and Commons and never complained to other users when they edited them for good.
- Your statement: "You will not be allowed to orphan the local copy for the copy at Commons." is hilarious ... who told you that replacing a file with an identical copy requires any permission? About the threat if you don't stop trying to orphan images I've uploaded in favor of copies you renamed when importing to Commons", I suggest you to take a look at template:Copy to Wikimedia Commons and you'll understand that I haven't been doing anything disruptive with those files. Which are not "yours" at all whether if you uploaded them or not. What I wonder is: are you still thinking in taking me to WP:AN/I...??
- About the "keep" tags I just told you that I did not remove them on purpose, in fact I restored all those tags on their respective files you uploaded when I realised of my mistake. So don't repeat that again.
- Are you also editing logged-out under 185.172.241.184 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)? —Locke Cole • t • c 21:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Locke Cole: I'm logged in just now and replying this to you. I don't usually edit hidden behind IPs. Never Fma12 (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Which is it? You've never, or you don't usually but you have? —Locke Cole • t • c 21:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Locke Cole: I'm logged in just now and replying this to you. I don't usually edit hidden behind IPs. Never Fma12 (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
you're wrong, because the GM logos are not "your work" but PD-textlogos also created by other person
for purposes of Wikipedia, they are "my work". Maybe you missed it, but it wasn't uploaded by someone else, or you, it was uploaded by me after spending time finding the image, getting it to render correctly, and uploading it here. In some instances these images take countless hours to produce between research and dealing with formatting concerns.As those logos are free, any user can make (presuming good faith of course) edits to them.
I never said anything to the contrary. You appear to be under the mistaken impression that freedom to edit is the same as freedom to be disruptive. It is not.who told you that replacing a file with an identical copy requires any permission?
Please read {{keep local}} more clearly, and explain to me how renaming and uploading to Commons to circumvent the keep local tag is not disruptive and would be allowed?What I wonder is: are you still thinking in taking me to WP:AN/I...??
As you haven't attempted to continue the disruption, I don't have a need to at this time.in fact I restored all those tags on their respective files you uploaded when I realised of my mistake
No, you did not. All the tags that were re-added were by me after you had removed them.So don't repeat that again.
I will repeat it as often as is necessary, as it is the truth and easily verifiable.Advice: have you tried uploading files at commons?
Yes I have. Clearly I'm not a fan. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)- @Locke Cole: Your statements have several falacies, i.e.:
- 1) "for purposes of Wikipedia, they are "my work". Maybe you missed it, but it wasn't uploaded by someone else, or you, it was uploaded by me after spending time finding the image, getting it to render correctly, and uploading it here..." Wrong. Spending time looking for an image on the web (or drawing a vector version of a logo) does mean it is "your" work. You are only the uploader, not the original creator.
- 2) Do you want to be what are "own works"?? p.e. this. Why? because in spite of not having created the original work (the 3d trophy in this case), I did not find it on the internet but I rendered it myself (CorelDraw, Photoshop) in a unique rendition.
- 3) You want to "keep local" the files. Well, I don't have a problem with that (I told you that I had removed the keeptag by accident, if you don't believe me, it's all the same to me). Copying a file to commons is the logical (and recommended) prodedure when a PD image is hosted on WP so it can be used at other language projects. So I did it and I'll do the same with every PD image not matter who upload it.
- 4) You complained me about the waste of time of this discussion. For the first time, I agree with you. This so long debate with a person who seems to act like a capricious and impulsive child, spending time and energy fighting with other user instead of working towards a common understanding and collaboration, is really a waste of time. Even though I'm used to deal with problematic persons after spending many years here, my patient is becoming increasingly smaller. I usually (and gladly) work jointly with other users who have interests in common, you could do the same instead of looking fight and controversy. The choice is yours. Fma12 (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you'd wanted to be collaborative you wouldn't have been disruptive. I'm done here. —Locke Cole • t • c 18:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Locke Cole: I'm glad you're done so I don't like fighters and non-collaboraative editors. By the way, I'm replying to your futile and libellous accusations of being a sockpuppet. And I expect an apology from your part. Fma12 (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you'd wanted to be collaborative you wouldn't have been disruptive. I'm done here. —Locke Cole • t • c 18:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Are you also editing logged-out under 185.172.241.184 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)? —Locke Cole • t • c 21:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
July 2022
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)