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::::In my opinion, this isn't particularly graphic - no genitalia is shown. How is this worse than, say, [[Little Accidents (Pingu episode)|that episode]] of ''[[Pingu]]''? -'''''[[User:Brainulator9|B<small>RAINULATOR</small>9]] ([[User talk:Brainulator9|TALK]])''''' 14:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
::::In my opinion, this isn't particularly graphic - no genitalia is shown. How is this worse than, say, [[Little Accidents (Pingu episode)|that episode]] of ''[[Pingu]]''? -'''''[[User:Brainulator9|B<small>RAINULATOR</small>9]] ([[User talk:Brainulator9|TALK]])''''' 14:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Polycarpa aurata|PerfectSoundWhatever}} Look, if you're going to unilaterally pull an image, you really need to be willing to discuss it. Because I'm willing to work with you, but you're pretty much the only ones objecting to this image, and if you don't actually care, then the sensible action is to put it back into the queue where it was, because once it runs, we never have to worry about it again. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">'''[[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam Cuerden]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Adam Cuerden|talk]])</sup><sub>Has about 7.9% of all [[WP:FP|FPs]]</sub></span> 02:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC) |
:::::{{ping|Polycarpa aurata|PerfectSoundWhatever}} Look, if you're going to unilaterally pull an image, you really need to be willing to discuss it. Because I'm willing to work with you, but you're pretty much the only ones objecting to this image, and if you don't actually care, then the sensible action is to put it back into the queue where it was, because once it runs, we never have to worry about it again. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">'''[[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam Cuerden]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Adam Cuerden|talk]])</sup><sub>Has about 7.9% of all [[WP:FP|FPs]]</sub></span> 02:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::{{ping|Adam Cuerden}} You appear to have already decided the outcome of any discussion and appointed yourself as the final arbiter. If you're not willing to have a discussion in good faith, why should I waste my time? Between your completely spurious accusations of censorship here and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/Unused&diff=1093125364&oldid=1093125293 this "prudishness"] bullshit, you have made it very clear that you aren't actually "willing to work with" people who disagree with you. My objection to this image stands. [[User:Polycarpa aurata|Polycarpa aurata]] ([[User talk:Polycarpa aurata|talk]]) 15:50, 19 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Monument to Alfonso XII
Monument to Alfonso XII is scheduled for 6 June but the article is unreferenced. This needs fixing or a replacement should run instead. Schwede66 18:52, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: Pinging user who scheduled the image. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 21:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, thanks for the heads up @Armbrust and Schwede66:. It seems I scheduled this several years ago as this was to be the anniversary. Per POTD standards (or lack thereof) we won't need to cite the whole article, but I will see if I can rustle up some sources to at least get a decent blurb out by the 6 June. If I can't, then we'll swap it out. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Template:POTD/2022-05-30
File:Boats on Lake Oroville during the 2021 drought.jpg appears on Lake Oroville and Droughts in California. Does anyone want to update and expand one of these articles and address the orange tags there? (There is still a week to do so.) Or perhaps we should re-schedule this POTD, and choose a different pic as POTD for this day? Pinging Amakuru (talk · contribs) who picked this photo months earlier. --PFHLai (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: thanks for the message. In fact, per longstanding POTD conventions, as roughly codified at WP:POTD/G, there is no requirement for the article to be free of orange tags. This differs from other main page sections. (Obviously in an ideal world, the article would meet the same standards as ITN, DYK and OTD, but that would rule out the vast majority of POTDs from being considered and nobody is prepared to invest the time to properly sort out an article each and every day for the slot). The only major rule in this regard is that the text used in the blurb must be properly cited. Lake Oroville actually looks to have quite a decent amount of cited material already there, so constructing a cited blurb from that should be quite straightforward. If nobody else does it I'll see if I can find some time in the next couple of days. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 17:48, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply, Amakuru. I was reading WP:POTD/G and it says
... if the article chosen to accompany the picture is not up to scratch (e.g. if there is a template message such as {{More citations needed}}), the appearance may be delayed until there is a suitable article to accompany the picture...
If these orange tags are not really a problem, then never mind. Anyway, I have added the photo to California State Water Project, which is free of orange tags at this time. Maybe this can be another option. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 19:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply, Amakuru. I was reading WP:POTD/G and it says
Template:POTD/2022-05-31
A similar problem as above: Federal Republic of Central America and Central American Republic real are both orange-tagged for inadequate sourcing. A replacement pic may be needed unless one of these articles can be fixed up in time. --PFHLai (talk) 14:04, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Pseudatelus
Pseudatelus is scheduled for 5 July but the target article isn't up to scratch. It's very clearly a stub and it has a maintenance tag. Hence in its current form, we can't run it, but there is plenty of time to do something about it. I'll transclude this note onto Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects. Schwede66 22:06, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- How about adding the pic to Pentatomoidea? --PFHLai (talk) 10:08, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Coordinating POTD and TFA
What do people think about coordinating POTD and TFA, e.g. by picking POTDs that would somehow match or complement that day's TFA? Had this been discussed or attempted before? Is it doable and if so, is it desirable? Levivich 15:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- As an extraordinary example, 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 landing was coordinated across all sections of the Main Page: Wikipedia:Main Page history/2019 July 21. —andrybak (talk) 22:07, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes! I remember how awesome that day's main page was, and ever since then, I've been wondering why we don't do that every day. Coordinating all sections, as was done for Apollo 11 anniversary, is unrealistic to do every day, but I wonder if at least the featured content could be matched. Levivich 22:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- We definitely can't do that every day since POTD's are supposed to be first in, first out. It's definitely a cool idea to try to match them more, but how often does a given TFA have a suitable accompanying featured image that hasn't been used yet? — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 00:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes! I remember how awesome that day's main page was, and ever since then, I've been wondering why we don't do that every day. Coordinating all sections, as was done for Apollo 11 anniversary, is unrealistic to do every day, but I wonder if at least the featured content could be matched. Levivich 22:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
I just looked at June 1-7 TFAs and then tried to find a suitable accompanying FP that hasn't already been a POTD:
I think it's doable, mostly because you can make a lot of connection by geographic location. Levivich 03:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, that is creative thinking and gives more opportunity than I had thought. Maybe invite the good people who watch WT:TFA to comment here. Schwede66 04:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- All of these seem very loosely related, except for the David Scott one. I don't think it's really worth the effort to coordinate a TFA that is related to a country with a picture in the country etc. Will readers really notice any correlation? I don't think so.
- Also, what articles are planned to be linked to from the POTD (all POTDs need an article). It wouldn't make sense to link to the TFA, and you couldn't anyways, since they're so loosely related and the image has to actually be present in the article. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 17:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Each of the POTDs can link the article about the thing the picture depicts. For the above week, in order: Moreton Bay, Western Ghats, Piping or Plumbing, Banksia spinulosa, Tehran Conference, Apollo 15, and New Mexico.
- As far as "loosely connected"... well, yeah, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder, but the TFA pic would be the pic that was "closely connected", where as POTD would be in the same theme. I do think the reader will notice (they'd notice more if we put the TFA next to the POTD, which we should do if they're connected, but that's for a later discussion), particularly national connections. Like for June 1, the Australian reader will probably notice. For June 2, the Indian reader will probably notice. Etc. Other readers would notice too, even if not all readers noticed; although if we did this as a regular thing, readers would catch on, and more readers would notice; eventually, they'd come to expect it.
- I think the "tie-in" could be strengthened by choosing TFAs and POTDs that relate in some way not only to each other, but also to the date for which they are chosen--which is another way of saying TFAs and POTDs and OTDs, too. (That's significantly tougher though, and may also be a discussion for another day.)
- In terms of "the effort to coordinate", I found this to be rather low-effort; it took less than an hour for me to fill out the week above, and that was my first time trying to do this. Maybe I got lucky with a particularly easy sample, but I would volunteer to spend the time to do this myself... if there was consensus that it's a good idea in the first place.
- Even if the coordination couldn't be done for all days, we could still do it for the days where it could be done (which I think would be most days). Levivich 17:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking of POTD and OTD tie-ins: some portraits are scheduled way in the future on birth dates. For example, Template:POTD/2022-04-16 (Main Page archive) was scheduled 2.5 years ahead of Richèl Hogenkamp's 30th birthday. —andrybak (talk) 18:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah I noticed that when looking through scheduled POTDs; if not birthdates, sometimes they're scheduled for other important date tie-ins (like the date of a significant event). I think it's a good practice and an example of the sort of coordination that is possible. Levivich 18:15, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Guidelines, "The image must appear in the article.". We can't use Western Ghats, Piping or Plumbing, Banksia spinulosa, Tehran Conference (not the same image appears, even though it is simillar), nor New Mexico as articles since the images aren't within the articles, although they do appear in Moreton Bay and Apollo 15. I definitely think we should coordinate it when possible, for example, the David Scott one would be a perfect match and look amazing. But in my opinion, it can't become a common occurrence unfortunately. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I really badly wanted to schedule the David Scott image for Template:POTD/2022-06-06, but it turns out that the currently scheduled image was put in place 3 years ago, and commemorates the exact 100th anniversary of the Monument to Alfonso XII, so it would be uncivil to change it. Darn! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Another problem is that TFA isn't scheduled that far in advance. And, of course, it somewhat makes POTD subsidiary to TFA if we always take the lead from them. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 09:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I really badly wanted to schedule the David Scott image for Template:POTD/2022-06-06, but it turns out that the currently scheduled image was put in place 3 years ago, and commemorates the exact 100th anniversary of the Monument to Alfonso XII, so it would be uncivil to change it. Darn! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking of POTD and OTD tie-ins: some portraits are scheduled way in the future on birth dates. For example, Template:POTD/2022-04-16 (Main Page archive) was scheduled 2.5 years ahead of Richèl Hogenkamp's 30th birthday. —andrybak (talk) 18:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
POTD Helper Tool
I wanted to give you a heads up that I have created a tool to help with submitting Pictures of the Day: User:Ahecht/Scripts/potd-helper.
You can run it from an image page, in which case it will suggest the articles that use that image, from an article, in which case it will suggest the images in that article, or from Special:POTDHelper, if you want to fill in everything manually. It can automatically retrieve an excerpt of the article as well as the uploader and nominator of the image, and will create the POTD template, update the local image description, and post notifications on the talk pages of the linked article, uploader, and nominator. It will check that the article exists and that the image is a featured picture on the English Wikipedia, but will not prevent resubmitting an already submitted image or submitting an image on the Unused list.
It's still in beta, but I've been using it for several nominations recently without issues and I'm looking for a wider range of testers. If you do encounter a problem, the script does extensive logging to your browsers debug console (usually accessed via ⇧ Shift+Ctrl+J on Windows or ⌥ Opt+⌘ Cmd+J or ⌥ Opt+⌘ Cmd+C on MacOS). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 05:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Just tested (Template:POTD/2023-10-29), and it worked really well. No issues as far as I can see. Thanks for creating this! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 13:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Ahecht: I have a suggestion. No idea if this would be possible, but if you could make it so that unused pictures are flagged somehow on Category:Featured_pictures_that_have_not_appeared_on_the_Main_Page, that would be very useful. For example, the unused pictures could have a red background so schedulers immediately know not to pick them (and don't have to bother checking the list). — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 13:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever I think the easier solution is to have {{Featured picture}} not add images in Category:Picture of the day/Unused to Category:Featured pictures that have not appeared on the Main Page (since for former is a subcategory of the latter, having them in both is redundant anyway). I went ahead and WP:BOLDly modified {{Featured picture}}, but this will require making sure that images are added and removed from Category:Picture of the day/Unused as they are added and removed from /Unused. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 01:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)- Definitely a better solution— thought of it but wasn't sure if implementation was possible. Thanks! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 01:59, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever I think the easier solution is to have {{Featured picture}} not add images in Category:Picture of the day/Unused to Category:Featured pictures that have not appeared on the Main Page (since for former is a subcategory of the latter, having them in both is redundant anyway). I went ahead and WP:BOLDly modified {{Featured picture}}, but this will require making sure that images are added and removed from Category:Picture of the day/Unused as they are added and removed from /Unused. --Ahecht (TALK
- @Ahecht: I have a suggestion. No idea if this would be possible, but if you could make it so that unused pictures are flagged somehow on Category:Featured_pictures_that_have_not_appeared_on_the_Main_Page, that would be very useful. For example, the unused pictures could have a red background so schedulers immediately know not to pick them (and don't have to bother checking the list). — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 13:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Nudity?
Questioning whether or not there is a consensus regarding nudity appearing on the POTD. Specifically this image. Does nudity fall under Unused, like File:Tako to ama retouched.jpg or File:Nadar - "Hermaphrodite" (Seventh Gallica image).jpg, or is allowed? (My take: While wikipedia isn't censored, the main page isn't specifically searched for, so the 5 million readers will not expect to be subjected to nudity. Clearly we censor POTD to some degree, curious what the line is?) — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:16, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Duke Humfrey's Library
{{POTD/2022-07-11}} is a nice picture all right, but I think {{POTD/2022-01-31}} is a better one and it's been less than 6 months since it was used. Maybe find something else for July 11? (No reply needed; do as you see fit.) --174.95.160.48 (talk) 05:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think we can't be too ready to hold things back for things months previous: it becomes a bit of a scheduling nightmare. Especially given how much money there is to get through. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 09:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:POTD/2022-12-08
Shanghai is not the most populous city proper in the world. The city proper of Chongqing has a greater population. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 04:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Lights and freedom: This seems complex, since Chongqing is also in China. The text is from the article itself, so should probably be corrected both places. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 13:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Lights and freedom Chonqing claims to be the largest city proper and the most populous Chinese municipality, but not necessarily the most populous city proper. I'll just go ahead and soften the language in the blurb. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)- @Ahecht If it is a city proper (which I'm not completely sure about), then it's surely the most populous one, being more populous than Shanghai. Anyways I think you're wording is better; as Chongqing says, it is about the size of Austria. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 04:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates#POTD
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates § POTD. —andrybak (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:POTD/2022-06-21
This POTD contains one of a number of images unilaterally removed from Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Unused and queued up for POTD by Adam Cuerden. This particular image is a caricature by Isaac Cruikshank showing a woman pissing in the street. Commons has literally hundreds of other images by Cruikshank which do not feature pissing women, so this is hardly the ideal example of his work. The image was previously suggested for April Fool's Day in 2009 and 2011. It was rejected both times.
I am not offended by this image and I have no objection to it being used on in context on Cruikshank's page. Giving it featured placement on Wikipedia's front page is another matter. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We should try to avoid shocking or upsetting people by running content like this when we have so many other options. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 23:17, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I do not think we should run that image. Plainly, it's too obscene for the Main Page, we have hundreds of FPs that haven't appeared, and no reason to rush to run this one. Adam Cuerden replacing an image that he removed from Wikipedia:Picture of the day/Unused with a more obscene picture that he also removed from Unused is just silly, and WP:POINTy. This is a collaborative encyclopedia, so being bold and replacing the POTD entry with what was on Template:POTD/2023-05-29. To @Adam Cuerden:, the entry is still in the page's history, so if you really want to, move it forward like you did with Michelle Merkin, but please don't revert my changes. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 22:58, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- There's literally never been a discussion against this one appearing. Never. It was arbitrarily pulled by a past POTD co-ordinator. In the absence of any discussion about it whatsoever, there's no reason not to schedule it. Merkin, at least, has an 8-year old discussion that I think we've long moved past, but am willing to discuss but dropping an image that has no discussion seems completely arbitratry. You also fucked up the move: there's notes on the image pages, notes on the article pages, all of these need to change if an image changes or the entire thing breaks. I'm willing to delay it, but if you don't want it to run, I'm not overturning any consensus at all; POTD/Unused is not a discussion archive, it's notes. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 18:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I never said you were overturning consensus. It's just a bit of a common sense thing: if some editors were objecting to an image of a woman with mild nudity,which I don't even mind if it runs, by the way why would replacing it with a clearly more obscene, and more graphic image of a woman urinating on the street be any better? If there is a consensus for running the image here, go for it. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 23:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merkin was scheduled for the 13th. I considered swapping her to there, so that there's be a little more time for discussion, then thought better and moved her to December. Other than that swap, this image was put in at the same time as the others and no-one cared. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 03:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if no one cared or no one noticed when it was first suggested. I don't think this image is appropriate for the main page. PerfectSoundWhatever seems to agree. How do we resolve this? (And please Merkin out of this discussion - we'll discuss that somewhere else.) Polycarpa aurata (talk) 03:40, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'd say the first thing to do is to discuss what the merits and problems are with it, because, first of all, we might convince each other, and second of all, if we go to a vote, having each side stated clearly from the start helps frame the voting.
- Merits:
- There's no real nudity. No private parts are seen. There's a hint of a breast, but the image as a whole doesn't appear to be sexualised at all, and we have had much more explicit drawn breasts on the main page recently.
- Artist is fairly important, and is noted for a certain amount of crudity; this image has been the lead image on his page for like a decade.
- Restoration is... maybe not the decisions I'd make, but justifiable.
- This isn't too far off from other examples of 18th century crudity. Rather less disturbing than some of the more extreme Hogarths. The 18th century was hugely fond of crude humour.
- Also, this artist was prone to fairly extreme artworks. Consider, for example, "Royal Recreation", or, even more so, "Opening the Sluices", which is rather more extreme (though arguably, the crudity has more of a point there, juvenile as the joke is).
- I'd argue it's educational, but mainly for the artist, as it does demonstrate his work fairly well. This is actually the selected Wikidata item for the artist at the moment, hence appearing on every page on Commons with his artworks, which... um... Okay....
- Avoiding unnecessary censorship is arguably a positive in and of itself.
- More specifically, though, censorship discourages further content in that line. We risk, for example, having people hesitate to restore Hogarth for fear of being censored.
- Since Durova no longer edits Wikipedia, she cannot defend her image, which means we have to at least attempt to argue for her.
- Downsides:
- Does the joke land? ...It's observational humour from the 18th century, from that sort of humour based around "types of people you see around town". Relatable? Not anymore. Cat is kind of amusing. Censored curse word ups the crudity a bit.
- Durova was fond of extreme white point manipulation, so arguably the white point is a bit off. Text is a little blurry, which probably reflects that era of Library of Congress scan
- Though the point above about this not being the most extreme work by him stands this search will show quite a few examples of images, which (despite us having relatively low resolution copies) are available in much higher resolution. If the point is solely to cover the artist - and the encyclopedic value is probably from that - while still somewhat extreme (albeit much less so), this anti-torture one might be a decent choice, as the commentary is still annoyingly relevant. Since the artist is notable for his development of cartooning, we should probably include something with dialogue, e.g., not this, despite artistic merit.
- As a sub-point, if the main point is to promote the artist, this does mean there are many other options. That said, it's also quite a heavy lift.
- Things I consider neutral, you might not:
- If the urination was being used as a kink thing, then I'd say that would at least make a strong argument against main page consideration, but I don't think it is. (For example, I think Dream of the Fisherman's Wife, while a famous artwork, would be... very controversial. Luckily the copy we have is so terrible that it's blocked on "almost certainly doesn't fit into FP standards".
- Image is intentionally crude. As I said, that's 18th-century humour, so I'm happy to dismiss that, but... well, I get modern sensibilities.
- Anything to add? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 14:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if no one cared or no one noticed when it was first suggested. I don't think this image is appropriate for the main page. PerfectSoundWhatever seems to agree. How do we resolve this? (And please Merkin out of this discussion - we'll discuss that somewhere else.) Polycarpa aurata (talk) 03:40, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- In my opinion, this isn't particularly graphic - no genitalia is shown. How is this worse than, say, that episode of Pingu? -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 14:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Polycarpa aurata and PerfectSoundWhatever: Look, if you're going to unilaterally pull an image, you really need to be willing to discuss it. Because I'm willing to work with you, but you're pretty much the only ones objecting to this image, and if you don't actually care, then the sensible action is to put it back into the queue where it was, because once it runs, we never have to worry about it again. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 02:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: You appear to have already decided the outcome of any discussion and appointed yourself as the final arbiter. If you're not willing to have a discussion in good faith, why should I waste my time? Between your completely spurious accusations of censorship here and this "prudishness" bullshit, you have made it very clear that you aren't actually "willing to work with" people who disagree with you. My objection to this image stands. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 15:50, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Polycarpa aurata and PerfectSoundWhatever: Look, if you're going to unilaterally pull an image, you really need to be willing to discuss it. Because I'm willing to work with you, but you're pretty much the only ones objecting to this image, and if you don't actually care, then the sensible action is to put it back into the queue where it was, because once it runs, we never have to worry about it again. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 02:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merkin was scheduled for the 13th. I considered swapping her to there, so that there's be a little more time for discussion, then thought better and moved her to December. Other than that swap, this image was put in at the same time as the others and no-one cared. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 03:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I never said you were overturning consensus. It's just a bit of a common sense thing: if some editors were objecting to an image of a woman with mild nudity,which I don't even mind if it runs, by the way why would replacing it with a clearly more obscene, and more graphic image of a woman urinating on the street be any better? If there is a consensus for running the image here, go for it. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 23:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- There's literally never been a discussion against this one appearing. Never. It was arbitrarily pulled by a past POTD co-ordinator. In the absence of any discussion about it whatsoever, there's no reason not to schedule it. Merkin, at least, has an 8-year old discussion that I think we've long moved past, but am willing to discuss but dropping an image that has no discussion seems completely arbitratry. You also fucked up the move: there's notes on the image pages, notes on the article pages, all of these need to change if an image changes or the entire thing breaks. I'm willing to delay it, but if you don't want it to run, I'm not overturning any consensus at all; POTD/Unused is not a discussion archive, it's notes. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 18:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)