List of Bengali songs recorded by Runa Laila
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like the dozens of other articles this user has created, this isn't a necessary standalone list and is basically just an itunes directory. Anything relevant can be included in the main article about Runa Laila (as in anything that can be sourced outside of places to buy it.) PRAXIDICAE💕 20:09, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete because wikipedia is WP:NOTDIRECTORY BrigadierG (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- What would you say about those articles? List of songs recorded by Neha Kakkar, List of songs recorded by Lata Mangeshkar, List of songs recorded by Shalmali Kholgade. They are also similar type of directory and should be deleted for the same reason. I hope everyone will consider my points. Abbasulu (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - there are similar aticles List of songs recorded by Shalmali Kholgade, List of songs recorded by Lata Mangeshkar. Why they aren’t deleted? Abbasulu (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Abbasulu: Please see WP:WHATABOUT. "What about (something)?" is an argument strongly discouraged in deletion discussions. The linked page says:
I.hate.spam.mail.here (message me | my contributions) 22:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do or do not exist, because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article.
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Lists. Shellwood (talk) 20:19, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Albums and songs, and Bangladesh. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:INDISCRIMINATE, obviously enough. Wikipedia is not itunes. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- There are many list articles precisely of a person’s discography, very similar to this. Why nominate this article for deletion in particular? Abyan Malek (talk) 04:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Probably you have not watched these articles List of songs recorded by Armaan Malik, List of Urdu songs recorded by Shreya Ghoshal. Both of these articles are similar, they are simply a collection of names of their songs, as is this article. And the latter lne is a collection of just 12 entries, very small article. This can easily be redirected or merged in her discography article. Plaese consider these cases and judge fairly. I see many similar but weaker discography or itules type indiscriminate lists stay in wikipedia for years but not raising any eyebrews. Abbasulu (talk) 14:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Happily obliged: both of these are now at AfD. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep because arricles like this exist but theres no reason to delete this because it may be similar to an 'itune' listing. Abyan Malek (talk) 5:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Per WP:DEL-REASON:
Reasons for deletion include, but are not limited to, the following: 14. Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia.
This, being a trivial directory-like listing of seemingly every song ever recorded by some artist (information which probably is of no interest whatsoever except to the most dedicated of fans), is obviously "not suitable", as explicitly established by the community. Similarly problematic lists should also be deleted - go read WP:WHATABOUTX:it is quite possible that the other article should also be deleted but nobody has noticed it and listed it for deletion yet.
RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 05:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Per WP:DEL-REASON:
- Redirect to Runa Laila#Discography as WP:INDISCRIMINATE. SBKSPP (talk) 23:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previously closed by Superastig as "redirect to Runa Laila#Discography as an WP:ATD. Discarding the "keep" votes which state WP:OTHERSTUFF. Anyone is free to merge anything important to the target article." This was overturned as a WP:BADNAC at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 June 20.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Runa Laila#Discography because this is an excessively lengthy directory, and the encyclopedia would be better served with a more selective listing. Reyk YO! 09:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, Lists, and Bangladesh. Worldbruce (talk) 00:10, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The only arguments for keeping this list are of the form WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, an argument to avoid in deletion discussions.
- In contrast, there are strong policy-based arguments that this list does not belong in Wikipedia, which does not aim to be a list of everything, but to be a high-quality encyclopedia. Being an encyclopedia means not just listing songs in a discography, but providing prose analysis of them, summarizing what reliable sources say about their recording, reception, significance, and influence.
- This list also fails the most common notability guideline for lists, because no independent reliable source has discussed the Bengali songs recorded by Runa Laila as a group. And it fails the three purposes of lists. Without analysis, the list does not convey encyclopedic information. Out of the roughly 700 songs, none has a Wikipedia article, and there's no evidence that any of them are notable, so the list does not allow the reader to navigate among them. If it is intended as a development list, it should be in user space, not article space.
- Merge is inappropriate because only about 4% of the songs cite any source, the sources don't always support all of the content where cited, and the sources aren't always reliable (IMDb, Amazon). Redirect is an alternative to deletion that recognizes that the content does not belong on Wikipedia. Redirect is not inappropriate, but not particularly helpful in this case, as any reader looking for a list of songs recorded by Runa Laila will find Runa Laila with or without a redirect. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:23, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Regarding a redirect, I agree that WP:RKEEP 3 (aids search) does not really apply. Searching for the exact list title returns unrelated "List of songs recorded by" articles, but the shortened and more likely Bengali songs Runa Laila returns Runa Laila as its first result, followed by an Urdu song list and this list. Intersecting List of Bengali songs recorded by Runa Laila#Album songs and Runa Laila#Discography, the only overlap is the album Ganga Amar Ma Padma Amar Ma. Its track list is not included in her article – to be clear, I oppose merging it as it would overwhelm the section – and it doesn't have an article, so a reader looking for Bengali songs would not find them. This approaches common WP:Redirects for discussion rationale "not mentioned at/in target" and WP:RDELETE 2 (confusing). Flatscan (talk) 04:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
The policy based argument, made in an old AfD of a similar article (recently quoted at another AfD), appears to be WP:WORKS. Hemantha (talk) 12:09, 4 July 2022 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet) --Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - The other two articles on Runa Laila has successfully survived deletion. This discussion is meaningless. Most of the directory articles have easily survived deletion. Abbasulu (talk) 08:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)