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I don't like the idea of getting pings over someone putting a box on my page that says I did nothing wrong while vaguely insinuating that I did, so I'm just parking these here instead.
Update 18:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC): You know what, screw it. Keeping track of which to list is more trouble than it's worth, and I don't need any one-hit immunity. I'm aware of all of them. Even the weird ones like the Shakespeare authorship question or Waldorf education. If anything, I'm more likely to think something is a DS topic when it isn't, than vice versa. |
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Defender of the Wiki Barnstar from Joshua Jonathan
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Absolutely deserved for uncovering the Swaminarayan-sockfarm. A lot of work is waiting, but you did great! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:14, 25 June 2021 (UTC) |
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Goat from EpicPupper
Thanks for giving me that SPI idea, and for the guidance that came with it!
🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk, FAQ, contribs | please use {{ping}} on reply) 03:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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Barnstar of Diligence from L235
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Hi Tamzin, I'm Kevin. Thank you for your diligence on the Moksha88 SPI; had it been a less thorough report, it may have been overlooked or neglected, especially after the negative CU results. We're lucky to have had you looking into this. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 06:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC) |
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Civility Barnstar from Sdkb & Writ Keeper
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Without getting into the messy question of whether or not the other editor's professed ignorance is plausible, I think it's clear your calm, non-judgmental efforts to explain why their comments were offensive have been helpful and appreciated by all. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC) |
- I definitely second this. Your essay is excellent, as well. You're doing the (proverbial) Lord's work, and with much more patience than I. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:07, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
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Barnstar of Diligence from Marvelcanon1
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Thank you Tamzin for your diligence in dealing with my issue Marvelcanon1 (talk) 03:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC) |
"SPU" from Writ Keeper, who forgot that the word "SPY" exists
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Writ Keeper has given you a potato! Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew! |
A cup of Tea!
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TheAafi invites you to have a cup of Pink Tea with him as he feels you are one of the hardworking Wikipedians; and Pink tea would help you relieve yourself. ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:31, 7 February 2022 (UTC) |
- If this was possibble! I admire your works on the platform, and mostly those at the RMT. ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
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The Special Barnstar |
Swiftly cleaning up information in ongoing events and making sure that everything stays factual and also just being a great person -- 𝒥𝒶𝒹𝑒 (Talk) • 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓎/𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓂] 00:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC) |
mishloach manot for you!
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Happy purim, Tamzin! I thought I'd try and throw together a mishloach manot basket to give out :) feel free to pass it around or make your own basket, if that's your thing—if not, cheers and chag Purim sameach! in jewish enby siblinghood, theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC) |
תודה רבה, Claudia! A pleasantly synchronistic treat to find immediately after submitting my first foray into your neck of the woods.
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Despite my well-known affinity for Queen Esther (Esther 8:6 tattoo pic forthcoming on Commons once I've got the enby and agender colors touched up), I've never done much for Purim. Don't really know why that is, just how it's sorted out. But I'll never say no to something tasty! Chag sameach to you too, friend. i/j/nb/s -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 03:51, 18 March 2022 (UTC) |
An assortment of barnstars from Floquenbeam, zzuuzz, Vami_IV, I dream of horses, and others
WikiHate
Vandalism warning from Nosebagbear and whoever whomever whoever most recently edited this page
Hello, I'm Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. Nosebagbear (talk)
- Block me if you must, but you'll never catch my socks!
- (They're very cozy slipper-socks with like a stylized dog face on the top and then little fake ears on the side. Very cozy socks. AND YOU'LL NEVER CATCH THEM!) -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 13:28, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, people from the future. Confused why your name shows up here? See here. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 05:18, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Meta-WikiHate against my mother of all people
Re above: by itself, from whomever is correct, if that's the end of the expression, placing 'whomever' in the objective case, due to its function as the object of the preposition from. But, in the longer expression From who[m]ever edited this page, who[m]ever is not the object of the preposition from; rather, the entire noun phrase who[m]ever edited this page is the object, and that is an independent clause, containing a subject (who[m]ever), a transitive verb (edited ), and an object (the noun phrase, this page). In this independent clause, the subject is in the subjective case (a.k.a., nominative case), thus it must be whoever. The object noun phrase (this page) is in the objective case (invisible, because most nouns don't change; but if it were a pronoun, like they/them, then it would be whoever edited them). Upshot for this expression: it must be from whoever edited this page. See the first example here, for example. Moral of the story: Moms aren't always right. Oh yeah, and one other thing... congrats on your election. But, first things first, right? Mathglot (talk) 08:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- I prefer "whomsoever." --Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- I appreciate that you dug into the page history to find that I did originally have it right. My lovely mother, who
mI will stress is a published author and editor and taught me everything I know about writing, concedes defeat on the matter, Mathglot. However, for questioning the woman whombrought me into the world, you've still earned a place in the WikiHate section, congratulations or not. (Also thank you.:)
) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 21:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Outrageous abuse of power by Tamzin
- I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Tamzin. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Opposition to human rights, and have marked it as unreviewed. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.
(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Outrageous, Tamzin. I demand you resign your patrollership. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Pinned discussions
- Some of these discussions are collapsed because no one's commented in a while. They're still open discussions, though! If you want to reply to something, just remove the {{cot}}/{{cob}} tags around the discussion.
Editing principles (Topic: Neurodivergence)
Initially ran 4 May 2021 to 7 May 2021. Featuring Vaticidalprophet and Elli. Collapsed but still open to new comments.
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Just noticed the new one. It's an interesting one, and a matter I've thought about how to phrase. I suspect myself a lot of neurotypes odd in the general population are the default baseline on Wikipedia, but there's only so many ways you can say it without sounding like you're insulting someone (and I freely admit I can be less careful and more flippant with my word choice than you often are, certainly when I'm in the ANI peanut gallery). I've noticed there's an unfortunate correlation between editors who freely disclose neurodivergence and editors with significant competence issues, and I've wondered what consequences it has for the project as a whole in terms of interacting with people who are more clearly not working on neurotypical principles than our already high average -- though, of course, many disclosed neurodivergent editors are substantial and obvious assets. Vaticidalprophet 04:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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Awful joke (Topic: Adminship)
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Well. Guess we'll see. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC) |
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
You're not funny, but here's something that's definitely not a laughing matter - why aren't you an admin yet? Once you're back, I'm sure there's plenty of people who'd nominate you ~TNT (talk) 19:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- FWIW I agree entirely with TNT. Definitely something you should be considering :) firefly ( t · c ) 19:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- No doubt about that. When I've seen your talk page comments I have always been really impressed and feel like someone with those skills would fit perfectly in the role of an admin. --Trialpears (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- I already am an admin, on the very prestigious testwiki and testwikidatawiki, thank you very much! No, but in seriousness, thanks for the kind words, y'all. I had this conversation with Tavix and Ritchie333 a few years ago, and think I was right to not take either up on his offer then; I don't think I was quite ready. Despite having been around a while, I feel like I only came to really understand Wikipedia in the past year. And, to paraphrase John Wick, people keep asking if I'm ready to be an admin, and yeah, I'm starting to think I'm ready.
- As I've said before, I consider my account's rename last October to be a soft clean start (
redlinking to remind myself to write thatwrote it!), not because I necessarily had anything to be ashamed of, but just because I didn't really like the person I'd been. My philosophy with this has been that I wouldn't speak much of past accomplishments, and in return would ask people not hold past failings against me. (The failings may well be more numerous in my mind than in reality, but either way.) I couldn't really ask the latter of RfA voters, so I'd be willing to run at least partly on my pre-User:Tamzin record, but primarily I'd want to run on my work in this incarnation. Work I'm very proud of, but which I feel is a bit incomplete, and a bit short-lived. - Excluding this mental health leave, which is thankfully coming to a close (which is good because I've been itching to fire up AWB and fix the 170ish articles that mislabel a Swedish source (ISO 639:sv) as being in Northern Sami (ISO 639:se)), I've been continuously active since January, so I think I'd want till at least this coming January to build up a bit more of a recent track record, as well as show my commitment to maintaining a reasonable activity level, especially given that I was almost completely inactive from March of 2018 through September of 2020. I'd also want to wait till I've done a bit more quality content work and gotten 'zinbot approved at least for the task I've already coded for it and hopefully for a few others. But I'm reasonably confident that I can get all that done by January.
- On that note:
- In general, yes. I'd like to run, shooting for January.
- To the person who recently emailed me offering a nomination, if you're reading this: I'll get back to you presently about what that might look like (a.k.a. try to talk you out of it
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). - @Firefly: We all know you're overdue for adminship yourself, and you've been active again about as long as I have. Wanna flight it up? Can flip a coin on who goes first, or run at the same time.
- I'm always very worried about echo chambers and groupthink, so if anyone's reading this and thinks they'd be landing on the oppose side of things or would be on the fence, please feel free to let me know your concerns, here or by email, so I can either adjust my parameters of what I should do before running, or at least draft a good response to a potential tough question.
- @TheresNoTime: I'm the funniest person you've ever met, and you know it.
:P
- -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 08:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I’m immensely flattered that you think I’m qualified to run! I would definitely be up for an ‘RfA flight’ as and when the time came - assuming I could find anyone silly enough to nominate me and they thought I was ready around the same time. :) I absolutely echo point 4 of your post and invite anyone with concerns about my eventual suitability to let me know. Mostly though I’m just glad you’re up for running! firefly ( t · c ) 18:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- You already know you could get a nom today =) --Trialpears (talk) 18:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Trialpears, I do, and for that I am greatly appreciative :) firefly ( t · c ) 20:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I'm still bearing the scars of my own RfA and that was six years ago this week. It was brutal. My advice is
- a) make sure that those people who believe in you are aware that you are having an RfA...some people don't look at their Watchlists and may not even know that an RfA is happening;
- b) start an RfA at a time when you feel strong and can be present 100%. You shouldn't respond to every criticism but you'd be surprised how often an editor starts an RfA and suddenly becomes busy and disappears from Wikipedia for a few days. Those are never successful. You have to be present;
- c) Stick with it through the entire week. There is generally a burst of support at the beginning and then the opposers show up after a few days. I think there are some editors who would be admins right now but they withdrew their nomination after the critics began speaking up. But unless it's an unexpected tidalwave of "No"s, the close votes can go back and forth and it could turn in your favor if you hang in there and don't throw in the towel.
- Just a few ideas for anyone considering an RfA. Right now, it looks like you have a lot of support! Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't mean to be a buzzkill but I'm still bearing the scars of my own RfA and that was six years ago this week. It was brutal. My advice is
- Trialpears, I do, and for that I am greatly appreciative :) firefly ( t · c ) 20:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- You already know you could get a nom today =) --Trialpears (talk) 18:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I’m immensely flattered that you think I’m qualified to run! I would definitely be up for an ‘RfA flight’ as and when the time came - assuming I could find anyone silly enough to nominate me and they thought I was ready around the same time. :) I absolutely echo point 4 of your post and invite anyone with concerns about my eventual suitability to let me know. Mostly though I’m just glad you’re up for running! firefly ( t · c ) 18:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- No doubt about that. When I've seen your talk page comments I have always been really impressed and feel like someone with those skills would fit perfectly in the role of an admin. --Trialpears (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
EFM
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Thanks for your work at EFFP. You might want to consider making a request for EFM access at WP:EFN so you can edit the filters directly to implement fixes yourself (if you're comfortable implementing them). Or just run for adminship, which would include EFM access. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:25, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- +1 Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:45, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- @ProcrastinatingReader—EFM is not included in adminship, but administrators can self-assign this right. (WP:EFM) — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 16:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Initially ran 26 October 2021 to 30 October 2021. Featuring Hijiri88, Ezlev, Aerin17, and BDD. Collapsed but still open to new comments.
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Arrgh... it's been a while since I thought about Japanese doesn't use pronouns anywhere nearly as much English, because content that is implied from context (as the referents of pronouns almost always are) is usually omitted: the Japanese for "I ate it" isn't "Watashi-wa sore-o tabeta" (literally "I it ate") but rather "Tabeta yo" ("Ate sentence-terminal-particle") and "I met her" isn't "Watashi-wa kanojo-ni atta" but rather "Atta yo"; "I ate it" or "She ate it" in Japanese would only specify the subject if it were in response to the question "Who ate it?", and even then "she" would necessitate a separate indication of who the girl/woman in question is, such as pointing, which is rude. (Needless to say, the Japanese version of Utada's website doesn't use any pronouns where the English version uses "she" and "her".) I actually recently found out that both the "Japanese words for he and she" that I learned in my beginner Japanese class were recent coinages based on English/French, the "word for he" being a redefined word classical Japanese pronoun that originally referred a person or thing that is far away from both the speaker and the listener, and the "word for she" being the same word, in the classical Japanese equivalent of the genitive case, with the noun "woman" attached after it. This kind of development would not be possible, needless to say, if personal pronouns were as entrenched in the actual Japanese language that people spoke every day as they are in English or French. I suspect this is why "pronouns" aren't really a thing on Japanese Twitter (etc.) like they are in America and Europe: it's my impression that a not-insignificant percentage of American pop-stars have their pronouns listed in their Twitter profile, and this percentage probably skyrockets when one only counts those pop-stars who have stated a gender identity other than cisgender male or female, but with Japanese pop-stars (even those who also hold American citizenship and live in Europe, and "occasionally tweet in English"), the former percentage is probably close to zero and the latter may be higher, but as far as I'm aware Utada is the most prominent case at the moment, and... So yeah, it looks like the Utada case is going to be solved by a consensus of editors based on the fact that sources affiliated with the subject use a particular pronoun pattern, but if more Japanese (etc.) pop stars, voice actors/actresses, live action actors/actresses, video game producers, etc. with anglophone fan-bases and extensive coverage in English-language blogs and "reliable sources" that are little more reliable than blogs, start coming out as non-binary, gender-fluid, etc., a discussion might need to be had about how the MOS passage you quoted applies to such cases. A huge hullabaloo was made about a decade back about whether personal websites (or websites maintained by publicists) should take precedence over academic publications with regard to MOS:JAPAN#Modern names (with reference to whether long vowels should be marked), which I think kinda missed the point there (if we take URLs or copyright information on Japanese-language websites into account, we get people named "Sakaguchi Jun'ichirō" being identified as "Sakaguti Junitiro" just because the webmaster created the URL based primarily on how Japanese text is input on a keyboard). But I suspect that, when it comes to gender identity, personal/official websites should definitely take precedence over third-party sources that often pass for "reliable" in pop culture articles, no matter how many such sources there are or how recent they are compared to what we assume to be the latest update on the personal/official website. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC) BTW, I should thank you for your positive input on the Utada page! :D Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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mi lukin toki pona. epiku! QoopyQoopy (talk) 01:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- @QoopyQoopy: pona a! sina sona ala sona e ma pona pi toki pona lon lipu Siko?kin o sona e ni: tan lawa WP:ENGLISHPLEASE mi pana e sama toki Inli lon toki sina kepeken kipisi {{tooltip}}. sina ken ante a sama toki. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- I meant that I saw toki pona on your old signature and I thought it was cool :)
- I am, by the way! Nice to see another toki pona speaker on Wikipedia. QoopyQoopy (talk) 02:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- @QoopyQoopy: Ah. You dropped an "e", then.
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Well cool, say hi on the server sometime. I'mwan Tansin—ken tonsi li ken jan
there. Also, if you aren't aware of https://wikipesija.org, check that out! I'm not too active there atm, but it's a fun project, with a long-term goal of getting WMF backing. Which is a long shot, but would be really cool. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- @QoopyQoopy: Ah. You dropped an "e", then.
RE: Would there be interest in a bot that makes a "watchlist" just for recently-edited pages?
OMG YES! El_C 14:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
-- TNT (talk • she/her) 21:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. Watching my watchlist gets boring at some hours of the night. wizzito | say hello! 02:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- @El C, TheresNoTime, and Wizzito: Well, currently item 1 on my big-project wiki to-do list is some content work (gasp! I know), and item 2 is the second round of 'zinbot automatic patrol circumstances, which I got consensus for months ago but still haven't run with, but this is item 3. If anyone else would like to take a stab at it (hint, TNT), what I'm thinking of is something like:Thus mine might look like
{{User:'zinbot/Secondary watchlist |source_page = <!-- Watch all pages linked from these pages, emulating Special:RecentChangesLinked for them. Separate by newline. ---> |source_user = <!-- Watch all pages edited by these users in provided timeframe. Separate by newline. --> |user_days_back = <!-- How many days back in a user's contribs to follow. Default: 7. --> |user_edits_back = <!-- How many edits back in a user's contribs to follow. Default: 200. --> <!-- Either of `user_days_back` and `user_edits_back` can be set to None, as long as the other has a value --> |namespace = <!-- Name or number of namespace(s) to watch. Use 0 for mainspace. Separate by commas. Default: All. Prefix with - to mean "everything but" --> <!-- Days back, edits back, and namespace can be overridden per source page or source user, by appending a # and then `days=`, `edits=`, or `namespace=` to the entry. You can also use a `prefix=` parameter. --> |always_watch = <!-- Will be watched even if not covered by the above parameters. E.g. Your own talk page, AN/I, etc. ... --> |never_watch = <!-- Will be ignored even if covered by the above parameters. E.g. your own talk page, AN/I, etc. ... --> |update_frequency = <!-- A number in minutes, or "auto". At "auto", the bot will update as frequently as possible, with the understanding that after each update you are moved to the back of the queue for updates, and the bot only edits once every 10 seconds. --> }}
That would render as {{Special:RecentChangesLinked/{{FULLPAGENAME}}/links}}, while a bot would update the /links subpage in accordance with the{{User:'zinbot/Secondary watchlist |source_page = User:Tamzin/spihelper log User:Tamzin/XfD log User:AnomieBOT/TPERTable <!-- Open TPERs --> Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion # namespace=4 prefix=Redirects_for_discussion/ <!-- Only watch active RfD subpages. --> User:Mz7/SPI case list <!-- Active SPIs --> |source_user = Tamzin 'zin is short for Tamzin |user_days_back = 2 |user_edits_back = None |namespace = -Category, File <!-- I don't really edit these namespaces --> |always_watch = User:Tamzin |never_watch = Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents |update_frequency = auto }}
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value.Should be pretty straightforward to set up, when I get around to it. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 03:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)- "
hint, TNT
"—thank you but no -- TNT (talk • she/her) 03:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)- Wait, what do I do? You're not my mom/s! El_C 04:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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- @El C, TheresNoTime, and Wizzito: Well, currently item 1 on my big-project wiki to-do list is some content work (gasp! I know), and item 2 is the second round of 'zinbot automatic patrol circumstances, which I got consensus for months ago but still haven't run with, but this is item 3. If anyone else would like to take a stab at it (hint, TNT), what I'm thinking of is something like:
- I agree. Watching my watchlist gets boring at some hours of the night. wizzito | say hello! 02:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you!
Hi Tamzin, sincere thanks for your contributions to Draft:Casa Ruby. I had lost some steam after trying to clean up at Ruby Corado (which still has quite a lot of unsourced BLP, promotional language, and general style issues). I think the Casa Ruby draft now meets WP:NORG and could be moved to mainspace as a stub, but I'll take a pass at it sometime this week to make it a bit more substantial. And of course, any further help at these articles is greatly appreciated. Thank you again, Politanvm talk 18:08, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Politanvm: Well, like I said, I was glad to see someone's working on it. Casa Ruby strikes me as the kind of organization that, were an article on it to land at AfD, at least one person would !vote delete simply because people are bad at understanding the significance of local organizations in cities they're not from, but which would be kept in the end. They're probably the second-best-known LGBTQ-oriented nonprofit in one of the largest cities (with one of the most notable LGBTQ communities) in the country, and I think the sources bear that out. Another paragraph or two and I think it should be good to go as stub-bordering-on-start. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Subtropical Highland Climate
I just wanted to thank you for your review on the Subtropical Highland Climate section of the Oceanic Climate page. It's certainly appreciated! G. Capo (talk) 16:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thank you for moving several of the surname articles that I started from xxxxxx (surname) to xxxxxx, thus making them the primary article. Much appreciated. Edwardx (talk) 21:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC) |
- @Edwardx: Thank you! This is going to be one of my go-to gnomish tasks for a while—not surname articles specifically, but more generally pages in Quarry 63493, "Possible non-CONCISE titles on enwiki", which looks for cases where the primary landing page for a term is a redirect to something other than a DAB page or list containing the page title as a substring. Per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, many such pages are valid, and with name articles I'm skipping past any that redirect to a specific person (even if—between you, me, and 132 talkpage watchers—I think that some editors are a bit overzealous in declaring people the primary topic for a mononymous forename or surname). You're welcome to help out with the query if you'd like, as is anyone else; maybe work from the back, or skip a few thousand rows, to avoid collisions. (N.B.: I may revise and re-run the query later if I run into a streak where I'm getting a lot of false positives for a specific scenario, like I did with DAB pages and lists.) Either way, again, thanks for the acknowledgment. Been doing other stuff the past few weeks, but when I get back to this query you'll probably see me lighting up your watchlist again.
:)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 04:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Precious
may memories be for a blessing
Thank you for articles such as List of journalists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War, for your bot and SPI work, for "find me removing things more often than adding them", for paying tribute on your user page in channeled anger, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
You are recipient no. 2728 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Gerda. This means a lot to me, especially given the circumstances and given the date (see userpage footnote 2). After years of, as you allude to, mostly working on improving articles by trimming them down, it's been a very eye-opening experience to build a full-length article from the ground up. I'm glad I got to have this experience with a list that's meaningful to me, although the downside of that is being very aware of how quickly this list grows. A small fraction of those killed overall, but as Masaq' Hub says in Look to Windward, "It's always one hundred percent for the individual concerned". -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, this means a lot to me, - see my talk today and 23 March. We have one name in common even, and named victims stand for all the unnamed. - "Stand and sing". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Oksana Shvets was on my mind when I suggested at Talk:List of journalists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War that perhaps a List of artists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War is in order—also to list Artem Datsyshyn, Brent Renaud, Mantas Kvedaravičius, and perhaps Maks Levin. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- yes - just working on Maks Levin --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Oksana Shvets was on my mind when I suggested at Talk:List of journalists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War that perhaps a List of artists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War is in order—also to list Artem Datsyshyn, Brent Renaud, Mantas Kvedaravičius, and perhaps Maks Levin. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, this means a lot to me, - see my talk today and 23 March. We have one name in common even, and named victims stand for all the unnamed. - "Stand and sing". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Congratulation to being an admin now, and I'll come to bother you when I need (to not bother El C, 28bytes and Floq all the time). I didn't quite know where to place this, - too many images at the bottom, but move if you think here isn't good. I have the quirky DYK today, which is rare, and I don't quite know why music for peace was deemed quirky. Enjoy thinking of dolphins! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
serious memories today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Today, I point you at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors, - perhaps add that to what you watch. I mentioned my own mistake under DYK, and nothing happens. We talk about replacing two letters by one, no more ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Happy? If I messed something up, it's your fault.
:P
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 00:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
more memories today, performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK - and more May pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
today Melody (not by me), and more pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! --
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— Maile (talk) 12:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
RfA debrief and acknowledgments
Hello, friends. I intentionally didn't say much in the immediate aftermath of my RfA because I wanted a bit of time to clear my head (and quietly reacquaint myself with the tools in the meantime). I've had a lot to think about, and a lot to say, and I've written it down at User:Tamzin/340/112/16: An RfA debrief.
The most exciting thing about publishing this is that I can stop thinking about this RfA and continue full steam ahead deleting (and keeping) redirects, blocking (and not blocking) suspected sockpuppets, and generally using my expanded toolset to make the community better.
For those who do have any lingering questions or concerns about anything that came up at the RfA, do please feel free to reach out, on this talkpage or by email.
A bit belatedly, I would like to thank:
- My mother, for schlepping 16 hours to come keep me company as things got bad
- My father (Z''L), for teaching me to stand up for what I believe in
- My found family—BiomatrixBackup and her fiancée, who is too cool for Wikipedia—for letting me vent for hours
- Drmies and BDD, for being the two best nominators a !gal could ask for
- TheresNoTime, for pushing me to run, and so many other things
- Firefly, my would-be flightmate if not for some slowness on my part, a faithful ally before, during, and after this RfA
- Tavix, Ritchie333, Trialpears, RoySmith, Vanamonde93, and one admin I spoke to only by email, for nomination offers I was forced to decline due only to a surplus of options. Maybe next time, y'all! (Joke. Please no.)
- Vami IV, for providing me with the anthem for this slow-motion trainwreck, "Fear Is Not My Guide"
- theleekycauldron, both honorary younger enby sibling and honorary Jewish mother
- Floquenbeam (even though he jynxed everything), FeydHuxtable, Celestina007, casualdejekyll, Ixtal, Elli, Endwise, BusterD (also an honorary Jewish mother), zzuuzz, ezlev, Paradise Chronicle, Zippybonzo, ARoseWolf, WereSpielChequers, ScottishFinnishRadish, Doug Weller, Paine Ellsworth, Dreamy Jazz, Mythdon, I dream of horses, Serial Number 54129, and everyone else who reached out to me, publicly and privately, during the RfA, especially those who talked me out of withdrawing
- Everyone who's congratulated me since the RfA passed, whom I'd name but it would exceed the ping limit
- Each and every one of my supporters. In particular:
- Nableezy, for getting it
- MastCell, also for getting it, and for in doing so giving me the only good laugh I had all week
- Every oppose and neutral that gave me constructive material to work with. There were many, and I will keep them in mind.
- The entire English Wikipedia bureaucrat team, for their careful reading of consensus. At first I was grumpy when it went to a 'crat chat, but now I can say that 9 bureaucrats agreed that there was consensus. How many admins can say that?
- In particular, Primefac, for consistently making sense of the chaos during the RfA
- Every editor who makes this encyclopedia great
- And of course, the cetaceans who swim in the waters off Cape May
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Anyone else hear this playing in the background while reading? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Glad to hear that you took a little time to process everything. The comment related to your political status (or something) made me feel that if you could show that you won't let politics influence your decisions then you would be a good admin. Also glad to see that you've found the cetaceans you've needed [Humor]. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing, and a belated congratulations! DanCherek (talk) 20:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Reading this was very enlightening. And congratulations on becoming an admin! Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. casualdejekyll 21:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | On 11 May 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lozman v. City of Riviera Beach (2013), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Fane Lozman took Riviera Beach to the US Supreme Court once in 2013 for seizing his floating home and again in 2018 for arresting him, and won both times? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lozman v. City of Riviera Beach (2013). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Lozman v. City of Riviera Beach (2013)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Lozman v. City of Riviera Beach (2018)
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Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Jewish deicide
Using wikisource and sps for such a controversial claims [1]. Likely pov pushing. I cleaned it. Would you mind having a look? Dr.Pinsky (talk) 11:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Dr.Pinsky: From an administrative perspective, it looks like things worked as intended here: The IP removed for an inaccurate reason (unsourced), Theagentofblight reverted due to that inaccuracy, and you re-removed based on a modified reason (poorly sourced). At a glance, the two Green papers and the Mauss paper look reliable enough for our purposes, but there's definitely too much sourced directly to Mormon scripture in there. @Theleekycauldron and Ezlev: y'all've both written on Jewish–Christian relations before. Thoughts? And @PerryPerryD: I recall a standing offer from you to discuss LDS theology. Do you have any ideas on how to make that section better? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Tamzin, I agree with you that the non-primary sources appear reliable and that the content sourced directly to the Book of Mormon is undesirable – the paraphrasing is fine, but how do we know it's due for inclusion without cited mention in RSes? It does look like Mauss and the Greens (also the name of a band I'm starting /j) could form the basis for the subsection on their own, for now, and I know there's more literature on the subject that could be found and added. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 00:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Thank you for requesting my assistance, However I must inform you that as a simple Priest, I am not qualified to state my opinion on this material, Nor do i have any good contacts for verification at this time. Cheers. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 02:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I see you've been involved in the 2022 Buffalo shooting page. I would appreciate it if you and your talk page watchers could keep an eye on Conklin, New York and Tops Friendly Markets. Page protection won't help. Thanks. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 15:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like Malcolmxl5 PC-protected the former. Guess we'll see if that holds or if semi is needed. As to the latter, I've started a discussion on the talkpage so y'all can stop edit-warring.
:)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)- I've put in a similar protection request for the Tops Friendly Markets page, as its very similar material being added to both articles. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- I hope you caught the very reasonable discussion I had with one of the editors. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 03:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for helping keep the peace cowgirl, as best one can under the circumstances. BusterD (talk) 05:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given the context, "cowgirl" makes me think of "2nd Amendment" by the all-women mariachi band Flor de Toloache. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 10:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Polycarpa aurata: I don't think that antagonizing them like that is helpful. They're clearly participating in good faith, and the "returning after 4 years" part kind of explains the "maybe not 100% in touch with current norms" part. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 10:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- What part of that was antagonistic? I was genuinely trying to find out why this was important to them so we could discuss it. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 15:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Polycarpa aurata: I think that
Why? Help me understand why this is important to you.
comes off as questioning the other editor's motives and implying that they may be less than wholesome. And that seems to be how they've taken it, too. Usually, it's not necessary to ask someone why they're making a set of edits, since we should assume that the answer is "to improve the encyclopedia". -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)- I was hopeful that they and I could have an actual discussion as thinking and feeling persons so we could understand each other. I am not longer hopeful. I imagine something like this happens every time there is a mass shooting, especially when they are associated with some form of extremism. I think it would be useful to write up some kind of document that deals with the common issues, since mass shootings in the US show no signs of stopping. I am going to walk away from this terrible subject, but I will add this episode to the to my box of "things I have learned about Wikipedia". Polycarpa aurata (talk) 15:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Polycarpa aurata: I think that
- What part of that was antagonistic? I was genuinely trying to find out why this was important to them so we could discuss it. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 15:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for helping keep the peace cowgirl, as best one can under the circumstances. BusterD (talk) 05:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
A toast sandwich for you!
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for your many contributions and edits! 🐦DrWho42👻 23:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC) |
Thanks for your assistance
Okay, I think I've just about done everything I can do, and everything you have asked of me, and I hope this very dumb dispute is resolved quickly. According to my reading of the three-revert rule, I believe I can, and in the spirit of the rules of this Wiki I essentially must now revert the offending user's third revert, leaving the content as correct as it was when I made my first edit / correction to the page. If you disagree with that, please let me know. I just noticed that the lyrics are captioned incorrectly and wanted to quickly correct them, not get in an edit war or do anything controversial. -- 71.193.20.55 (talk) 21:05, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- I would also like to make it clear that the user seems to have communicated with me in the history of his talk page, wherein he just gave me the first actual indication of any kind that he would like me to stop posting on his page, saying "stop harassing me." Now, obviously I feel seriously harassed by this user, as I'm just trying to make a simple edit, but I did not feel that I was harassing him. The last new thing I posted was an edit-warring "warning" that I posted out of explicit direction from Wikipedia's page directing me to post that on his talk page. If that's harassment, then Wikipedia shouldn't tell users to do that. That said, I certainly won't post on his talk page anymore after reading that semi-obscure comment in his edit history.
- Though, if I am essentially forbidden from communicating with him, whether in harsh terms or not, I don't see how he's ever going to change his mind on the issue or learn anything. So, it seems a very silly policy to me, but I'll respect it. -- 71.193.20.55 (talk) 21:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- The user talk pages can be useful back-channels for clarifying edits; but editors are not required to change their minds. For Wikipedia changes, the article talk page is where the official discussion happens. There, editors have the option to participate or not, and re 3RR policies, it's the recognized go-to place for resolving issues. I see you're there. Let it do its work. signed, Willondon (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Roger that. However, I believed there was a quick and clear benefit, an element of efficiency, for posting on the user's page. I assumed he was making a mistake out of a lack of information and would benefit from understanding all of that. He didn't want to listen (both literally, apparently, and figuratively - even going so far as to say that he "[does] not care"), but then kept reverting my edits anyway. I previously understood the bit about where such content discussions should happen, but given ample evidence that the user was making improper use of his editing software and acting in bad faith, I had no faith that the user would participate on the talk page, given his highly false presupposition that I was engaging in simple vandalism. Simply put, he had no interest in discussing the subject and I wanted the correction to be made quickly, so I went directly to him. It works sometimes, sometimes not. -- 71.193.20.55 (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @71: Hi sorry, you caught me while I was out at dinner; seems this has been mostly taken care of by now? Another administrator has had a polite word with Blaze about listening to people's explanations of the edits that one reverted. And your change to the TimedText page has been let stand after some brief further confusion. (That doesn't mean it's the final answer, but at least a holding position.) For future reference, if you're in an edit war, you shouldn't revert someone just because they broke 3RR first; furthermore, in point of fact Blaze did not break 3RR, since it's the fourth revert where a bright-line violation occurs. Glad we have this sorted at least in the short term. You may want to check back in on the TimedText talk page in coming days to see if anyone else has anything to share. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Right. And true, no one actually violated 3RR. He threatened to block me for continuing to edit, which I felt was extreme and completely unwarranted, and I had a feeling it was quickly going the way of 3RR, which is why I notified him with that "warning", but yes, did not actually cross that line. Anyway, thanks for the input. Very appreciated. *phew* -- Eli 71.193.20.55 (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @71: Hi sorry, you caught me while I was out at dinner; seems this has been mostly taken care of by now? Another administrator has had a polite word with Blaze about listening to people's explanations of the edits that one reverted. And your change to the TimedText page has been let stand after some brief further confusion. (That doesn't mean it's the final answer, but at least a holding position.) For future reference, if you're in an edit war, you shouldn't revert someone just because they broke 3RR first; furthermore, in point of fact Blaze did not break 3RR, since it's the fourth revert where a bright-line violation occurs. Glad we have this sorted at least in the short term. You may want to check back in on the TimedText talk page in coming days to see if anyone else has anything to share. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Roger that. However, I believed there was a quick and clear benefit, an element of efficiency, for posting on the user's page. I assumed he was making a mistake out of a lack of information and would benefit from understanding all of that. He didn't want to listen (both literally, apparently, and figuratively - even going so far as to say that he "[does] not care"), but then kept reverting my edits anyway. I previously understood the bit about where such content discussions should happen, but given ample evidence that the user was making improper use of his editing software and acting in bad faith, I had no faith that the user would participate on the talk page, given his highly false presupposition that I was engaging in simple vandalism. Simply put, he had no interest in discussing the subject and I wanted the correction to be made quickly, so I went directly to him. It works sometimes, sometimes not. -- 71.193.20.55 (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- The user talk pages can be useful back-channels for clarifying edits; but editors are not required to change their minds. For Wikipedia changes, the article talk page is where the official discussion happens. There, editors have the option to participate or not, and re 3RR policies, it's the recognized go-to place for resolving issues. I see you're there. Let it do its work. signed, Willondon (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
David weiding
Perhaps a revdel of their edits [2] [3] [4]. Those stuffs certainly fall under purely offensive material. Thanks. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 17:19, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I don't like to revdel edits that are "just" bad words unless they're slurs or they're directed at someone, but if another admin wants to revdel, I don't object. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:46, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
CafeGurrier is back
154.121.52.198/16 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)?
CafeGurrier66 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Hey Tamzin,
CaffeGurrier is back on the IP range I pointed out at RFD a few weeks back. It's obviously them, edits like telling admins how long they should block people for [5] reviewing other people's blocks [6] mucking about with sockpuppet templates [7], tweaking block templates [8] and requesting changes to MediaWiki:Infiniteblock [9] [10] [11] are all WP:DUCK behaviour. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure of the exact range they're on. Here's another pair of diffs of them reinserting a change on a block template [12] [13]. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm. They really are up and down that /16, with some apparent collateral damage. What I've done for now is to block the /16 from editing any namespace other than main, talk, and a few namespaces CafeGurrier has never disrupted. Since the disruption to date has been in the namespaces I blocked them from, hopefully that will scare them off. Just a week for now, but can be made longer in the future if they keep it up. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 21:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Tamzin!
- Yeah, I couldn't figure out a range smaller than the /16, every time I thought I'd found something smaller I'd spot another edit in a different range. We'll just have to see if the partial block has the desired effect. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 11:38, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm. They really are up and down that /16, with some apparent collateral damage. What I've done for now is to block the /16 from editing any namespace other than main, talk, and a few namespaces CafeGurrier has never disrupted. Since the disruption to date has been in the namespaces I blocked them from, hopefully that will scare them off. Just a week for now, but can be made longer in the future if they keep it up. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 21:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello Tamzin,
At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.
Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.
In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 736 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 1034 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.
This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.
If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}}
on their talk page.
If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.
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Another duck for you
You recently blocked MDO Pro 1st (talk · contribs) as a sock of MugiwaraGO (talk · contribs), Royal Sportco (talk · contribs) then shows up straight away reinstating the same grammatically incorrect edits on Norway national football team here and here. I would make a SPI but figured it might be quicker to just bring this to you directly judging by how obviously this duck appears to be quacking since you had just made the block. Thanks. --TylerBurden (talk) 22:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- CU wise they're close enough, and DUCK is also good enough. I'll let you place the block, so you can get the $3 from the WMF. But I took the liberty of dropping a range block as well--apparently I've run into this sock's ranges before. Drmies (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Good instinct, TylerBurden.
Blocked and tagged. @Drmies: $3??? Ah, you must be grandfathered in. These days we only get paid in company scrip. Every piece of bedding in my house is sewn-together "I edit Wikipedia" T-shirts. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 23:07, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- I only have one of those, and my daughter stole it. I had a troll, maybe they're still around, who liked to post pictures of me in that t-shirt, which was kind of one size too small for my portly manly belly. Drmies (talk) 23:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- I recall that picture, because I voted for you in the election you took it for. I thought it was a good look.I'm apparently entitled to a free T-shirt thanks to a giveaway on Meta, but when winning a prize comes with the catch "now you email us", sorta feels like they're asking me not to claim it. Which is fine by me since, like a large number of people in this diverse, global community, I don't wear T-shirts! Funny how everyone likes to talk about diversity, but no one likes to do anything about it.(On that note, I don't think that the relevant part of the WMF has any way of knowing what email address this account uses. So if someone wants a free T-shirt, I guess all they need to do is register a convincing email address...) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 00:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- I only have one of those, and my daughter stole it. I had a troll, maybe they're still around, who liked to post pictures of me in that t-shirt, which was kind of one size too small for my portly manly belly. Drmies (talk) 23:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Yet another duck for you
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At least this one doesn't require more work on your part. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC) |
RPP for Aytaç Şaşmaz
You declined to protect this article with the comment "All involved are autoconfirmed". I do not believe this is true. The biggest offender is a new user with 29 edits. See their TP, User talk:AyCem Fan where they have exhibited ownership, ignored requests to provide sources, disruptively insisted on adding a boyfriend/girlfriend to the infobox when the infobox is for spouses and/or long-term life partners only, and told me not to edit the article because I "am not familiar with the topic". The also left this on my talkpage. Please reconsider. MB 01:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- @MB: You're right. I'd overlooked when the account was created. However, I still don't think semi-protection is necessary here. AyCem Fan has provided (if imperfectly, and after some hair-pulling) what you asked for: citations that the eponymous Ay and Cem are a couple. The inclusion of someone's girlfriend in their infobox is a content dispute, and it is an improper use of semi-protection to favor one side in a content dispute. You've removed the parameter; if the dispute continues past that, y'all can discuss on the talk page or pursue dispute resolution. And if ACF continues to be hostile toward you, then you can let me know or bring the matter to AN/I. But I don't think it would be compliant with the protection policy for me to semi at this juncture. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Revision deletion
Hi, Tamzin. I wouldn't have revision deleted the IP posts on NinjaRobotPirate's page. (In fact, I saw them earlier, and didn't.) "Ordinary incivility" (compare the criteria for RD) should be reverted, of course, but I don't think it needs to be dignified with RD, even if there's a ridiculous 'death threat' in there. YMMV, of course. Bishonen | tålk 08:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC).
- Hi Bish!
:)
I went for RD there because I've seen it used before by other admins on Glam-girlz death threats, and IMO death threats (even unconvincing ones) fall under the "grossly inappropriate threats" clause of RD3. If you disagree, though, I'm happy to start a discussion at WT:REVDEL. (Full disclosure, I've just touched up RD3 a bit to revert some undiscussed changes made by a CIR user last year and to remove a redundancy, but nothing that affects this—and all of which I'm happy to discuss at WT:REVDEL too of course.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
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For reverting my accidental buffalo stampede. Thanks for ameliorating the utter state of confusion.Pharos (talk) 00:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC) |
- @Pharos: Okay, I think that's the last of them reined in, aside from a few buffalo who had already been taken in by loving adopters like Jeremyb. One hopes these buffalo do not feel buffaloed. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 03:06, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Redirect of Russian invasion of Ukraine
Ma'am, I noticed your recommendation that 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine be the target of this redirect, and that article should have a hatnote referring to the other invasions of Ukraine. I have added that hatnote to the article, on the presumption the change to the redirect will be approved, but have not changed the redirect, that's either the proponent or moderator's job. Thanks for the suggestion.
"Understanding of things by me is only made possible by viewers (of my comments) like you."
Thank you.
Paul Robinson Rfc1394 (talk) 12:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Page protection for Titan the Robot
Dear Tamzin, thank you for looking into the request for page protection of Titan the Robot. I understand and respect your concern that the malicious removal of encyclopedic content of a page does not necessarily warrant to put the page under protection if such edits only take place every few month or years. I also appreciate that you added the page to your watchlist to see if protection of the page may be necessary after all. That's an adequate measure. I also write these lines to explain my reasons for filling the request. It was not just the brazenness to use Wikipedia as an extension of that company's questionable marketing scheme, but my astonishment about how long this is already being done. For 14 years this commercial product has been advertised on Wikipedia and every time someone tries to shine some light on it, the provided facts and sources are being deleted shortly after. I understand the argument that "it happens only every few years", but the real issue is that only every few years someone comes by and takes their time to correct that nonsense - and then it takes only a couple of days until that correction is deleted. It's not an important piece of public interest. That's why it happens only every few month or years. But from looking at the version history it becomes clear that there are some people that, for 14 years, make sure that "their" page remains in line with the company website and that is a fundamental difference to a page being struck by random vandalism every few years. Anyway, I'll keep an eye on that page and, as you suggested, will ping you as soon as the next malicious edit is done. Thank you again for your time and effort that you put into keeping Wikipedia running and have a great day. MiBerG (talk) 15:45, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Dear Tamzin, the page has been manipulated again and again it's from a UK-based IP (the company of the product is UK-based): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Titan_the_Robot&action=history MiBerG (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Copy of Deleted page: Peder Engelstad Pioneer Village
I am looking at getting a copy of the deleted page Peder Engelstad Pioneer Village and if possible its Talk page and edit history. This summer I am leading a series of eight Wikpedia Edit-a-thons on Minnesota local history in Minnesota's rural communities. The Minnesota Historical Society is sponsoring these workshops. The Peder Engelstad Pioneer Village may be a good cautionary tale for local history museums wishing to create a page on Wikipedia for their organization. During these workshops we will be focusing on the history of their community. I am not encouraging them to add their local history museums but if they choose to, they should know the correct ways of doing it, and the need to provide better sources. Myotus (talk) 14:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Myotus: That sounds reasonable.
:)
The close was as "soft delete", so if you want I can restore the page and its talk in your userspace. (You could then U1-tag if you stop having a use for them.) Or I can email you the PDFs. If you'd prefer the latter, please email me through Special:EmailUser/Tamzin. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:01, 28 May 2022 (UTC)- Restoring the page and its talk in my userspace sounds like a good idea! Thank you. Myotus (talk) 15:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Myotus:
Done @ User:Myotus/Peder Engelstad Pioneer Village. There was no talkpage to restore. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 15:20, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Myotus:
- Restoring the page and its talk in my userspace sounds like a good idea! Thank you. Myotus (talk) 15:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thanks for being able to make tough blocks, while maintaining the humility to not do so lightly. —Bagumba (talk) 02:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC) |
Same ip vandal appears to be at it again
The vandal you blocked yesterday https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:49.206.43.116 seems to be at it again today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/45.112.48.2 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transformers:_Age_of_Extinction&action=history the IP address looks similar, the pattern of vandalism looks very similar, and is simply happening to the previous Transformers film article.
I hope the disruptive user can be blocked without needing to lock the article. -- 109.78.202.195 (talk) 14:06, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe report this at WP:AIV? AIV is a more general vandalism noticeboard 67.21.154.193 (talk) 15:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
CCI
Hello Tamzin I hope you're doing well. Would you mind joining the copyvio conversation here. Thanks for your consideration. C1K98V (💬 ✒️ 📂) 16:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for answering the IP on my talk page! I hope you are having a wonderful pride month. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 10:40, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
New message from 3PPYB6
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Toki Pona § Sonja Lang re-redirected. You might not be able to join as you are very busy (which I can understand). If you ever want to opt out, just reply with a "no". — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 13:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi 3PPYB6. While my COI on this subject is minor enough that I felt it was acceptable to comment briefly and cautiously about notability before the article was published (and execute a hopefully uncontroversial histmerge once it was), I don't think it's appropriate for me to participate in any AfD or in deletion-related talkpage proceedings, unless it's to pass along a message from jan Sonja, who at this time has not asked me to say anything. I hope that makes sense. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 16:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Hadassah
Hi Tamzin. I hope you're good and fine. Sadly my laptop got accidentally damaged a week or two ago, and it is waiting for technician to arrive. The Dell care says that due to lockdown in China, the part is delayed in transit and would arrive late. I'm tired of editing on mobile. I completed a RMT move request associated with Hadassah, however I notice it is linked from a large number of articles. Although I tried to fix few, it looks a huge task to be done from mobile phone. Could you guide me to some tools that I could use? Regards, ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 07:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @AafiOnMobile: Yes, I saw that move—"Hadasa" is my middle name (literally) and I had the DAB page watchlisted owing to a resulting interest in the name—and have been nibbling away at some of the dablinks. I use NavPops for DABfixing, which doesn't work on mobile... Maybe I dream of horses knows of some better options? Also, sorry to hear about your predicament, Aafi. I actually happen to be in the exact opposite one right now, laptop but no cell phone. I know how frustrating all that can be. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 07:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @AafiOnMobile Unfortunately, I know nothing about smartphone editing, but personally, I use DisamAssist, AWB, or dab solver to repair disambigulation links. In fact, personally, I wouldn't recommend doing such a detail-orientated task on a mobile device. Like, maybe in theory, I'd repair a few links from my phone, but not a large amount.
Thank you to Tamzin for thinking of me, tho. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 20:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @AafiOnMobile: Cullen328 also knows a lot about smartphone editing I believe. Funcrunch (talk) 19:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
A mini-project to improve rcat templates
If you're ever looking for a new project, I think it would be very helpful for categorizing redirects if more redirect category templates could take a parameter to define the term the redirect is a modifcation from, for use with redirects that are modifications of other redirects (i.e. are avoided double redirects) and can be used along with the {{R from avoided double redirect}} template. For example, {{R from alternative name}} allows one to put the more common name after a pipe (parameter 1) in cases where it is different from the title of the redirect target, or {{R from other capitalization}} allows one to indicate the form with other capitalization after two pipes because that template is coded differently. {{R from alternative spelling}} also takes a parameter after a single pipe. Rcats that don't seem to have this functionality include {{R from plural}}, {{R from singular}}, {{R from long name}}, {{R from ASCII-only}}, {{R from initialism}}, {{R from acronym}} and likely others. Should be fairly simple to modify the templates, but you seem far more suited for template editing than me! Let me know what you think. Cheers, Mdewman6 (talk) 00:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
What does MBMAD mean?
I couldn’t find anything about it in Google, and I didn’t wanna unnecessarily spread a side topic in the ANI thread. Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 10:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mrbeastmodeallday: Oh, just a habit I have of abbreviating people's names that way. Mrbeastmodeallday. I even do it with my own name, shortening "Tamzin" to "TZ", even though that's breaking it into syllables rather than into smaller words. (Although... checks Wiktionary... I guess you could say that Tam- means "twin" while -zin means "feminine". Fun with bound morphemes!) Anyways, autobiographical tangent aside, hope that clears that up. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 14:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- you'd call me a 3A or Triple A of something similar then? ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 15:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Requesting a less limited user block
For this range: [14]. The scope of disruption is broad, rather than confined to a few articles or topics. I've been dealing with them primarily at 2008 Noida double murder case. Thanks, 2601:188:180:B8E0:3852:ACFE:34E1:8A4C (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's a pretty big /32 with a lot of collateral damage, but fortunately in this case, all edits are coming from the same /64, which is one 4.3 billionth the size of a /32. So, 2001:8F8:1A65:8BA3::/64 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) blocked 2 weeks for DE/CIR, in addition to the pblock on the /32. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 22:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Review
Hi, i started an ANI [15] i think it was not taken seriously by an admin who is going to overlook over transgression, no matter how many they were or the fact that they are still ongoing (also i need someone to check for a possible case of sockpuppetry). Would you mind to take a look at it, if you can? Thanks anyway. Cheers. --Opencross (talk) 12:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Nepal IP editor
Hi Tamzin - hope you are well. You previously helped with a block on this IP after they kept adding unsourced data into BLPs (mainly they subject's height). Anyway, the block has expired and they're back to the same pattern. Please could you help again? Thanks! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Lugnuts: Thanks for letting me know. Made it a month this time, and mass-rb'd again. (Thankfully fewer this time than last.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 22:39, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Many thanks! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 06:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Ashley Gjøvik
Hello, before this gets stale, I noticed your administrative action regarding editors of this article. It seems to me that in addition to User:Bobrossghost, User:Delhowder and User:Wafflenugget may also be part of the ban evasion/abusing multiple accounts problem. The edits by these accounts are admittedly a couple of months old and quite limited, but they do show the same pattern. Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: Yeah, I noticed those. Since SIARH has been checked at least twice now, I'm guessing if they didn't come up before, they won't come up in a new check. Either way, I already gave SIARH the longest tempblock I've ever given an account, so I don't think it changes things hugely from a user-conduct perspective whether these two accounts are them, unless of course they start up again. The accounts are clearly SPAs on a contentious article, so if there's anything they've added that you think is questionable, I think that would be reasonable to remove. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Continued disruption from Hamishcm
User:Hamishcm was blocked from editing The Open Championship for 1 week, and after the block expired, returned and made another edit of the same type. pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 17:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Grumbles. Siteblocked indef. If they'd like to talk their way down to an indef pblock, I'll hear them out, but... Well we'll see. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 17:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Rosengarten Zu [sic] Worms
Could we not restore TPA? Get more words to compare with other socks' words? They're quite indignant at UTRS appeal #59591, you know. Have a whale of a time. Best --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:56, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Deepfriedokra: I blocked without TPA since their response to their last block was to threaten to kill the blocking admin. But if you think they'll behave themself, I don't object you or anyone else reënabling. Courtesy ping JBW. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to agree with Deepfriedokra, and since Tamzin says she doesn't object, I have restored talk page access. (As far as I can recall, Tamzin, that's the first time I've seen ë used in English apart from in the word noël, though I may have seen it many times and just not remembered. I supppose coöperation, preëmpt, & zoölogy would make sense too, and no doubt quite a few more.) JBW (talk) 13:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, Tamzin actually speaks English, as apart from the current ersatz patois masquerading as English. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JBW: As far as I know, it's just me and MastCell who keep the diaeresis in English alive on the English Wikipedia. One of these days Condé Nast will buy the WMF, the New Yorker style guide will take over, and then I shall revel in diaereses and "Jr.,'s"es. And, Deepfriedokra, while I was indeed raised in a household where English, French, and dashes of Yiddish and Hebrew were blended together erratically (not even on the Creole side of my family, although owing some spiritual inspiration thereto perhaps), I think I owe this more to being a neurodivergent language geek (or, as some would say, "pretentious fuck"). Idk MastCell's excuse.Anyways, yeah, let's see what they do with TPA. See my comments at the SPI: I'm skeptical that they're really Ajhenson, but Alpharts Tod's reaction to that block was so incredibly far beyond the pale that it kind of moots that IMO [AmEng "moot"]. But it might be good to wait for an answer from CU-land on how that block as an Ajhenson sock came to be; if we don't hear back from Callanecc in a few days, I'll {{rae}} it and ask someone else to take a look at their CU log for that day.P.S. @Gerda Arendt: Since this is about the user Rosengarten Zu Worms (talk · contribs) and not the article Rosengarten zu Worms, I've restored the ungrammatical heading, but sicced it for you.
:)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JBW: As far as I know, it's just me and MastCell who keep the diaeresis in English alive on the English Wikipedia. One of these days Condé Nast will buy the WMF, the New Yorker style guide will take over, and then I shall revel in diaereses and "Jr.,'s"es. And, Deepfriedokra, while I was indeed raised in a household where English, French, and dashes of Yiddish and Hebrew were blended together erratically (not even on the Creole side of my family, although owing some spiritual inspiration thereto perhaps), I think I owe this more to being a neurodivergent language geek (or, as some would say, "pretentious fuck"). Idk MastCell's excuse.Anyways, yeah, let's see what they do with TPA. See my comments at the SPI: I'm skeptical that they're really Ajhenson, but Alpharts Tod's reaction to that block was so incredibly far beyond the pale that it kind of moots that IMO [AmEng "moot"]. But it might be good to wait for an answer from CU-land on how that block as an Ajhenson sock came to be; if we don't hear back from Callanecc in a few days, I'll {{rae}} it and ask someone else to take a look at their CU log for that day.P.S. @Gerda Arendt: Since this is about the user Rosengarten Zu Worms (talk · contribs) and not the article Rosengarten zu Worms, I've restored the ungrammatical heading, but sicced it for you.
- Yes, Tamzin actually speaks English, as apart from the current ersatz patois masquerading as English. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to agree with Deepfriedokra, and since Tamzin says she doesn't object, I have restored talk page access. (As far as I can recall, Tamzin, that's the first time I've seen ë used in English apart from in the word noël, though I may have seen it many times and just not remembered. I supppose coöperation, preëmpt, & zoölogy would make sense too, and no doubt quite a few more.) JBW (talk) 13:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
NeuroSex Sockpuppetry
Hello Tamzin,
Please excuse my inexperience with Wikipedia. Thank you for your important work in cleaning up some of the Neurosex sockpuppets on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Wilson_(author).
I’ve been a silent observer for some time, and it has been disturbing to witness the many sockpuppet accounts editing porn-related pages with single-minded attention. The same party appears to be behind most (all?) of the 73 suspect accounts listed below. This campaign is long-standing and deeply concerning, involving dozens of fake Wikipedia accounts. Could you please investigate them all and take any appropriate action? I have also submitted this to the "Sockpuppet Investigations" page, but I'm not sure I've done it correctly.
CheckUser on NeuroSex's 70-some suspected Wikipedia aliases is recommended because these aliases are part of a long-standing and extensive Wikipedia sockpuppetry campaign. CheckUser may help confirm the geolocation and other details that could determine whether the same individual runs the accounts.
I also hope you will remove all of the edits by any of these sockpuppets you ban, or have banned in the past. They appear to have been made in bad faith or for self-serving or malicious ends. Can anything be done to prevent future edits by this puppeteer? I did not include "diff" links in this report due to how extensive the situation is and the fact that every single one of the edits made by each of the 70+ sockpuppet accounts merits examination.
It’s especially disturbing that Wikipedia user Tgeorgescu consistently protects, aids and appears to collaborate with Neurosex’s many sockpuppet accounts. This is a long-standing pattern used to maintain control of multiple pages related to pornography. Tgeorgescu ensures that the sockpuppet edits are incorporated while removing good-faith edits by the public. Can he be prevented from doing this? As he too appears to be acting in bad faith, can his edits and protections made in tandem with any of these sockpuppets be reversed? This tag-team campaign has been operating for years and skewing the public’s understanding of porn-related topics.
As you know, Neurosex appears to have created a number of sockpuppet accounts to edit the page concerning Gary Wilson (Author). Tgeorgescu took no action against Neurosex’s sockpuppet accounts. Instead, he incorporated all suggested edits and collaborated with the accounts on the Talk page, going so far as to improve the formatting of the edits of a sockpuppet account. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gary_Wilson_(author)&diff=1093106044&oldid=1093105879) This is but one of many such examples of his activities in support of Neurosex's sockpuppetry.
There’s no reason to think the above list of probable Neurosex-related sockpuppet accounts is complete, but it shows a disturbing pattern - and abuse of Wikipedia’s rules. Note: A handful of accounts in the list below were banned by Wikipedia some time ago (and others by you more recently), but most have yet to be investigated.
Thank you for considering this request and please excuse my limited Wikipedia skills.
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Keyhound (talk) 02:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for reaching out. I've responded at the SPI. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 03:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
You're famous
Writeup in Slate. Much more of that and someone will create an article about you.... which (IMHO, you may disagree) would suck. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Floquenbeam: Ha, I was saying to a friend the other day, "Does Tamzin meet WP:SUSTAINED?" would make a good question on the Wikilawyer Bar Exam. Significant RS coverage as a little kid, a single paragraph in The Advocate like 10 years ago, and now this. Could make for an exciting AfD!
:D
(But yeah, not sure I'd want a Wikipedia article... I've heard anyone can edit them‽ Seems kinda dodgy if you ask me.)And I'll take a moment to thank User:Stephenbharrison for a great write-up. I wish he'd had space to fit in some of my comments on neutrality (namely: editorial neutrality is a principle I was raised with and one I take very seriously; I agree we do lean too far left on some articles, especially conservative people's BLPs, but have no idea how to even begin tackling that; and "fuck this war" about the invasion of Ukraine is, I would venture, a significantly more controversial statement than "Don't put Trump supporters in positions of power on a website", but for some reason no one seemed to care about that being at the top of my userpage the entire RfA, and what does that tell us with how this community interacts with the concept of neutrality?), but I understand space is at a premium and there was a lot to say. Well, hopefully next time I make the news it's for something more respectable like wheel-warring with the WMF.;)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:55, 16 June 2022 (UTC)- Tazmin, congratulations on your having earned an administratorship. Thank you for volunteering to bear the responsibilities that come with your new role. Wikipedia benefits greatly from your work, your skills, and your character. I am sorry that you have suffered the consequences of other people's weakly reasoned conclusions. I stand with you. —catsmoke talk 03:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Now I'm curious about the significant RS coverage as a child – enough by itself to qualify for GNG? But I suppose revealing that would be an act of (self-)doxxing; I would Wikilawyer in the direction of respecting personal privacy. – Anon423 (talk) 19:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I concur on that being a good write-up. Nicely done all around! XOR'easter (talk) 01:41, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Diligence |
For cleaning up the Junior disambiguation page. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 11:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC) |
- @I dream of horses: That's a very fancy barnstar for a few edits, but I'll take it!
:)
It's interesting how easily cruft accumulates on some DABs when it's not obvious spam (or, sometimes, even when it is). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
IP Based Information
I was reading through It Could Be Possible’s mentorship page as I was just wondering why their autopatrol request was declined but that’s beside the point. I saw your advice on IPs there, and was wondering, firstly, how do LTA’s proxy your IP, secondly, what tools do you use to say if the IP is being proxied or if people use a VPN and whatnot as I would quite like to run the tools on my own network, for my own reasons. Also, somewhat related, have you considered becoming a checkuser, you are probably fit for the role. | Zippybonzo | Talk | 15:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Zippybonzo: An LTA proxying your IP in particular is theoretically possible, but not really something you should worry about. They would have to get very lucky or be very skilled (and know your IP to begin with). Sorta like asking "What if someone picks the lock for my car, hotwires it, steals it, and then races around the area racking up speeding tickets and toll violations, and then returns my car without leaving any evidence of what they've done?" Possible, but vanishingly unlikely.I have access to a premium API that lets me see which IPs are known proxies. You can see what's been said publicly about that here. Last I heard, there's some discussion of incorporating that into the "IP info" Beta feature that all admins are able to turn on. So yeah, if you see me block an IP as a proxy, it's probably because of that. (Exception: There's one sockmaster whose location is very well-established, who often uses proxies in different countries; I block those even if the API doesn't catch them, since their location is prime facie evidence that they're proxies.) As to running these tools yourself, I'm afraid I can't help with that, unless you'd like to buy a subscription to such a service yourself.Being a CU would have upsides and downsides (makes it harder to make behavior-only blocks). Not currently something I'm thinking about, but who knows. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not too concerned about my IP as I can just ask you for IPBE if someone proxies it, but if I were to become a CU or SPI clerk, or an admin, then I would consider splurging on the tool, if it isn't already on the IP info tool by then. Also, what benefits does adminship give you with the IP info tool? | Zippybonzo | Talk | 19:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Zippybonzo: Currently, the IP info tool doesn't show anything that can't also be seen through public on-wiki sources or Bullseye, and so its primary benefit is just one of convenience (namely, being able to see geolocation with one click). When/if IP masking is implemented, it will be more relevant (but also apparently some of that convenience might go away since you'll need good cause to unmask?? it's unclear currently). One thing I'm hoping they add soon is the ability to see the smallest assigned subnet, which is extremely useful in making rangeblocks. Currently I see that with User:GeneralNotability/ip-ext-info.js, which itself pulls from whois-referral, but that isn't as well-integrated as IP Info is. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I just lookup with WHOIS, it works for me. When are they rolling out IP masking? They have been blabbing on about it since I joined practically. With the IP masking, the IP info tool also logs everything, I just can't see those logs. :( | Zippybonzo | Talk | 20:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Zippybonzo: Currently, the IP info tool doesn't show anything that can't also be seen through public on-wiki sources or Bullseye, and so its primary benefit is just one of convenience (namely, being able to see geolocation with one click). When/if IP masking is implemented, it will be more relevant (but also apparently some of that convenience might go away since you'll need good cause to unmask?? it's unclear currently). One thing I'm hoping they add soon is the ability to see the smallest assigned subnet, which is extremely useful in making rangeblocks. Currently I see that with User:GeneralNotability/ip-ext-info.js, which itself pulls from whois-referral, but that isn't as well-integrated as IP Info is. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not too concerned about my IP as I can just ask you for IPBE if someone proxies it, but if I were to become a CU or SPI clerk, or an admin, then I would consider splurging on the tool, if it isn't already on the IP info tool by then. Also, what benefits does adminship give you with the IP info tool? | Zippybonzo | Talk | 19:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
A messenger award for you!
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Thank you for trying to get the message out there at DYK! Bruxton (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC) |
Help?
Hi, I chose your name from the recently-active admin list, and I was hoping for some help and/or advice. I encountered some hateful speech on the Harold Shipman talk page, specifically this very old post from an inactive IP user and a more recent reply from a very active user. I'm reluctant to post on AN/I because I'm not sure if either comment calls for RevDeletion, a trout slap, something in between, or no action at all.
What do you think ought to be done, if anything? If there's something I should do, I'll be happy to do it. Thanks in advance. Matuko (talk) 21:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Matuko: I've removed a number of the comments in the thread (including MisterCake's, which I agree was a bit beyond the pale, although the more direct issue is just WP:NOTFORUM) and hatted what was left. I don't think any revdel is needed. MisterCake, I see you're not too active these days, and I realize this was a several years ago, but for the record, I would characterize a remark like
the Jewish penchant for being radicals
, in the context of someone who killed 250 people, as, at a minimum, inadvisable. It's also, FWIW, factually incorrect to say that most Jews are atheists; in the U.S., at least, it's somewhere between 14% and 50% depending how you define "Jew" and "atheist". In my cursory search I couldn't find as recent or detailed numbers for the UK, but it seems roughly comparable. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 22:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)- Thank you. Matuko (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- While I won't pretend I know how to artfully phrase anything, it seems to me I said "probably the majority" and that is a lot higher than average, hence the article on this website singling them out. That also seems to miss the point I hoped to get across. I cited Jewish atheists to say that there is such a thing entails Jews are a people who have a religion rather than a religion. One would be sufficient. That there's not just one but several, seems to mean one is feigning indignation to avoid an uncomfortable subject. Christian atheist or Muslim atheist is of course nonsense, while Irish or Taiwanese atheist is not. And it seems relevant to note which ethnic group he came from. Hard to imagine such pushback with another one. With that aside, I noted his parents being Methodists makes it unlikely he was Jewish. And that there are other stereotypes aside from "Racist Jew murderer of whites" or something to think he was Jewish. His name: there's that joke about "Spiderman" being Jewish and pronounced like Spiderm'n. His profession. And by radicalism I did not mean so much a political comment . Perhaps I should have said subversion or ostracism or something, rather than radicalism, as I am not commenting on his politics, or his drive for destruction, but the feeling of otherness somebody with his drive for destruction must have had. Like when they offer it as an explanation for why Montaigne was a skeptic. Or why the appeal of atheism. Or radical politics. Granted it's a just so story. I could have said "those responding with his religious affiliation are simply failing to answer the question which they feel is illegitimate, it seems to me a legitimate question, however probably not" but I had the vain hope of explaining why I feel that way. Sorry if that clarifies nothing. Cake (talk) 02:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Re
Christian atheist or Muslim atheist is of course nonsense
, I was surprised to learn that Christian atheists do exist, at least in Europe. Check out the book Society Without God by Phil Zuckerman. Funcrunch (talk) 02:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)- I know a Uyghur Muslim atheist from China. See also Christian atheism, Cultural Christians, and Cultural Muslims. (Muslim atheism is a redlink, while Muslim atheist redirects to Cultural Muslims... Not sure if the former should be created to match the latter, or the latter should be deleted under WP:REDYES.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:45, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Re
- While I won't pretend I know how to artfully phrase anything, it seems to me I said "probably the majority" and that is a lot higher than average, hence the article on this website singling them out. That also seems to miss the point I hoped to get across. I cited Jewish atheists to say that there is such a thing entails Jews are a people who have a religion rather than a religion. One would be sufficient. That there's not just one but several, seems to mean one is feigning indignation to avoid an uncomfortable subject. Christian atheist or Muslim atheist is of course nonsense, while Irish or Taiwanese atheist is not. And it seems relevant to note which ethnic group he came from. Hard to imagine such pushback with another one. With that aside, I noted his parents being Methodists makes it unlikely he was Jewish. And that there are other stereotypes aside from "Racist Jew murderer of whites" or something to think he was Jewish. His name: there's that joke about "Spiderman" being Jewish and pronounced like Spiderm'n. His profession. And by radicalism I did not mean so much a political comment . Perhaps I should have said subversion or ostracism or something, rather than radicalism, as I am not commenting on his politics, or his drive for destruction, but the feeling of otherness somebody with his drive for destruction must have had. Like when they offer it as an explanation for why Montaigne was a skeptic. Or why the appeal of atheism. Or radical politics. Granted it's a just so story. I could have said "those responding with his religious affiliation are simply failing to answer the question which they feel is illegitimate, it seems to me a legitimate question, however probably not" but I had the vain hope of explaining why I feel that way. Sorry if that clarifies nothing. Cake (talk) 02:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. Matuko (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
A personal message
Hi Tamzin,
I recently posted to Barkeep49 and noticed the discussion involving you and your RfA in the section user talk:Barkeep49#Quoted in the press. It reminded me that I had thought about posting a message to you after the RfA, but didn't get around to it.
I have a user account with a clear block log that I have been choosing not to use out of disillusionment with WP. As I watched your RfA develop, I debated logging in to my account to !vote in support of your candidacy as I was appalled at some of the behaviour that I witnessed. I decided that I would do so a few hours before it ended only to have personal circumstances arise that kept me away until after it had gone to a 'Crat Chat. I wanted to apologise for not managing to offer my support !vote but seeing that the RfA was closed as successful, and seeing you being congratulated, I felt that my posting would be more making me feel better than it would be helpful to you, so I waited.
Reading the thread on Barkeep's page, and the suggestions that one !vote more or less could have made the difference, and then reading the Slate piece about your experience, I felt it was worthwhile to express that you had at least one more supporter who did not speak up. Though all admins have the same grant of authority, I felt your RfA spoke of your integrity and how you would bring it to the task for which you were volunteering, and I think that it earned you the respect and trust of many – though sadly also with the suspicion and doubt of some. I've been impressed, though not surprised, that you have taken some difficult decisions as an admin. I see your name and anticipate a thoughtful contribution, even if I might disagree with it, and that makes you the kind of contributor that Wikipedia needs.
My recent disillusionment was made worse by an Arbitrator who basically dismissed that I could have any contribution to make because I was choosing not to use my account. Though another Arbitrator offered a more humane view, I was then and am still now disappointed and hurt that I was not granted the dignity of a person despite being behind an IP address. The Arbitrator in question never addressed this, which has left me with a highly negative view of his character. Consequently, reading the comments in the thread on Barkeep's talk and the Slate article reminded me that you likely have lingering wounds from the RfA, and just as one person can cause pain, one person can sometimes help to alleviate it. Your RfA ordeal was distressing to watch, and no doubt vastly worst to experience, though it was warming to read how your mother travelled to support you in person – something I would dearly love to experience just once more, but which is sadly impossible. I am cisgendered and so cannot say that I truly understand the difficulties your have faced in coming to self-acceptance and then living openly as a trans individual. However, as a gay man, I do have some idea of your path and how it may have shaped you. Bringing those experiences to being an admin is not a manifestation of bias; it is a strength to be able to empathise with those subject to mistreatment. You stated that you would recuse from the Donald Trump article, demonstrating that you also bring the wisdom to know when bias might arise. In short, the view that I formed of you from your RfA is that you are a strong individual, honest, dignified, well-meaning, and someone who will act with integrity and who is motivated by the best interests of the encyclopaedia. I believe you have more supporters and admirers than the RfA showed – I regret that I did not say so during your RfA – and I wish you well.
Kind Regards, 172.195.96.244 (talk) 04:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
May need to broaden a block
2409:4052:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
Whilst the pageblock seems to have been worth a try, the (individual?) responsible for the disruption from this range has switched to other topics, and there's rather a lot of them. Time to switch it to a soft siteblock? Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 10:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mako001: Hmm... Well, as a Hail Mary here I've blocked just the /36 that the officeholder list vandal has most recently been on, 2409:4052::/36 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)). If that doesn't hold, then yeah, may have to do the /32. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:29, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Press
You probably know you're on Slate. I was going to add it at WP:PRESS 22, but per WP:OUTING I first ask if you have volunteered your name on en-wiki somewhere already? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Yep, User:Tamzin/Disclosures and commitments § Identity. Might want to also update Wikipedia:Stephen Harrison. Thanks for asking. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll do that, never seen that page. No Wikipedia:Omer Benjakob? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)