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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not change the target of the redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for both potential closers and participants.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first or that it has become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
I. | Tag the redirect.
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II. | List the entry on RfD.
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III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Current list
July 7
July 6
Closed operator
- Closed operator → Unbounded operator#Closed linear operators (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Closed linear operator → Closed graph theorem (functional analysis) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Closed linear operators → Closed graph#Closed linear operators (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These should redirect to the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. I have moved Closed graph to Closed graph property, because, before acceding to the article, I believed that it was about Graph theory. D.Lazard (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Closed linear operators since it's pointless (I must not have noticed the "s" at the end). Mgkrupa 19:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Suggestion "Closed operator" and "Closed linear operator" should redirect to the same target (whatever that may end up being). Reason: The section that is the target of "Closed operator" (which is currently Unbounded operator#Closed linear operators) says that "Closed linear operator" is the topic's "Main article". Mgkrupa 19:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Blackcomb (operating system)
- Blackcomb (operating system) → Windows 7 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Blackcomb" is not the codename for Windows 7 (this is mentioned in the page, btw), meaning the redirect is inaccurate. Additionally, the user creating it was blocked for creating vandalistic redirects. FMecha (to talk|to see log) 17:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Windows 7#Development history. This is obviously a likely search term. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Headbomb. A pinpoint redirect to Windows 7#Development history is more preferable, but I am wary to change it mid-discussion. I did bold "Blackcomb" in the text. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 19:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Paris, France/Musees/Louvre
- Paris, France/Musees/Louvre → Louvre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No clear purpose. Unlikely search term. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 17:26, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as is an unlikely search term. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Mesablanca
- Mesablanca → SSX Tricky (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete - This is the name of a track in both SSX Tricky and in SSX (2000 video game). It also isn't mentioned in the article. Iffy★Chat -- 17:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - not discussed at target and averages only about 100 pageviews a year since 2016. It's not a particularly likely search term and anyone looking for information on the track will only be disappointed. There is a nice fandom article on it. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 18:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Simoqî
- Simoqî → Kurdish tribes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hababa (Yazidi tribe) → Kurdish tribes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target or anywhere else on Wikipedia, delete unless a justification can be provided. N.b., the pre-existing articles at these titles were created by a sockpuppet of an editor CU-blocked several years ago, so they qualify for G5 speedy deletion and there is no need to restore the content. signed, Rosguill talk 16:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
World Open Chinese Studies Journal
- World Open Chinese Studies Journal → Category:World Current Research Publishing academic journals (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Odd unused WP:XNR that links to a category without the CAT: pseudoprefix. Also, this is a bit of a surprising redirect, so I think delete. I did not know there was a much larger discussion about this at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31#Category:Academic journal categories containing exclusively redirects. I am withdrawing my nomination in favor of keep TartarTorte 14:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TartarTorte There are nearly 4,000 redirects from various journal titles to this category, see Current Research Publishing academic journals&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1&limit=500. These also appear to have been created as part of a bot task - Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/TokenzeroBot 6. Something doesn't seem right here, it seems the intention was to create redirects to the article on the publisher, but since the publisher itself is a redirect to this category they were created as category redirects instead? I really don't see the point of a category full of redirects that link back to the category, the category serves no useful navigational purpose and the redirects do not get readers to any kind of particularly useful content about the journal or its publisher (a page which says the publisher was on Beall's List but isn't notable enough for a proper article isn't particularly great). 192.76.8.85 (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep per previous discussion. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 31#Category:Academic journal categories containing exclusively redirects. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Why on earth would this qualify for speedy keeping? First of all - something being nominated for deletion in the past does not make it exempt from ever being nominated for deletion again. Secondly that discussion was about the category, not the redirects contained within it. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 15:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- The discussion was both about the redirects and the categories, and everyone in that discussion understood that. And a speedy because the rationale is ill-considered, and there is nothing special about World Open Chinese Studies Journal that doesn't also apply to the tens of thousand of other redirects and the dozens of categories concerned. Any legitimate discussion needs to focus on the bulk situation, not on World Open Chinese Studies Journal. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. These categories which include only redirects to themselves were already discussed previously. (They were discussed as categories for deletion, but the points remain largely the same.) In short: they are here to redirect users who look for journals used in Wikipedia citations. Because citations are such a crucial part of Wikipedia, for questionable/predatory/deceptive journals/publishers, we'd like to present the user with a short information about that (of course with citations and with regular oversight from people working on the WP:CITEWATCH project and everyone else). There are no articles even for the publishers because they are not notable, there's nothing else to say about them. The format (mainspace redirects to a category) is unusual, but not against any rules and so far I haven't seen a significantly better proposal. See the previous discussion for details. Tokenzero (talk) 16:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I would be ok with withdrawing if that's good with IP. In nominating the page I had not come across the discussion linked above. TartarTorte 18:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Having read the previous discussion and the responses above I am unconvinced that this is a useful redirect. If these are supposed to be a tool for editors then they belong in behind the scenes project space, possibly as part of some kind of "list of predatory journals to avoid". As it stands these are in reader facing article space, and I do not think that sending readers to a dead end category is useful. If a topic is not notable enough for an article then they don't get an article, creating a "Pseudo-article" as a category page so you don't have to follow notability guidelines is just gaming the system. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 18:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Commercial
- American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Commercial → American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Commercial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The page was created at this title with a duplicate "Episode" in the title. It was moved 3 days after creation, so there isn't a huge concern about external links and there are almost no wiki-links. TartarTorte 14:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:25, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete delete per nom. I'm not sure people would search search for this duplicate duplicate in the title, as it doesn't appear to be correct. Regards regards, SONIC678 21:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The Mahers
- The Mahers → Middle East respiratory syndrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Originally a redirect to Middle east respiratory syndrome; currently a double redirect. This was very recently made an article via translation from de-wiki about a band; this edit was reverted and remade a redirect due to lack of notability, which I agree with, but then this redirect to MERS doesn't make sense. I don't see the connection between the Mahers and MERS. Iseult Δx parlez moi 14:07, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- The Mers people article was once at this title; when it was moved from Mers the redirect was not updated. Mers people now redirects to Mer (community), which was created later; the Mer article mentions Maher as another name. It looks like this is the only use; Mahers redirects to Division No. 1, Subdivision M, Newfoundland and Labrador as it's a place name there. Peter James (talk) 17:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Bhagavath Singh
- Bhagavath Singh → Bhagat Singh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was tagged for speedy deletion to make way for the film article Bhagavath Singh (film), however the redirect creator didn't think it appropriate for the film title to be moved to the title. Bhagat Singh was not known as Bhagavath Singh, and there is no mention at the target, so it is unclear why the redirect exists. Jay (talk) 17:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: No mention of Bhagavath at Bhagat Singh's article. The creator may have misassumed that the revolutionary's proper name was Bhagavath since Bhagat is a derivative from it. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment as redirect creator. The nominator and I had a discussion about this at the redirect talk page. To pull out a couple of my points. The target doesn't mention Bhagavath Singh but the film article does. From Bhagavath_Singh_(film)#Release: "The film opened in December 1998 to negative reviews with a critic from Indolink.com stating that the film spoils the freedom fighter Bhagat Singh's name...". I will be honest and say I can't remember why I did create the redirect but it seems plausible that this film in some way biographical and so therefore redirecting to the primary topic makes sense. If someone could find reviews or even just a plot summary that would likely clarify whether it is unrelated or not. Tassedethe (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 11:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and move Bhagavath Singh (film) to page. Different names, no reason to have it redirect to the freedom fighter. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 18:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Female pseudohermaphroditism
- Female pseudohermaphroditism → Intersex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
male pseudohermaphrodism redirects to pseudohermaphroditism and this to intersex, why don't both redirect to the same target? — Tazuco 03:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Pseudohermaphroditism per nom. Common sense solution. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 18:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Getty Museum, J. Paul
- Getty Museum, J. Paul → J. Paul Getty Museum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not clear how a user would ever search this specific term. It appears to be in the form LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME, except for the fact that "museum" is not part of Getty's name. Iseult Δx parlez moi 01:19, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep: While not a common usage, the J. Paul Getty Museum is often called the Getty Museum so for sorting it would be sorted under G most likely. Even though this isn't a human name, for sorting purposes this could be useful; however Getty Museum also redirects to J. Paul Getty Museum, which would probably be better for sorting. Fundamentally, this is a WP:CHEAP keep argument as there is at least some plausibility. TartarTorte 14:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Redirect si
- Template:Redirect si → Template:R to plural (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Template:R si → Template:R to plural (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Appears to be a shortening for "singular", but easily ambiguous: {{R from singular}} or {{R to singular}}? The latter is actually even significantly more common. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- No opinions on merits of the abbreviation, but this format without a from or to describes what the redirect is (i.e. a from), no? I mean I see the ambiguity, but Template:R alternative name, Template:R subpage, Template:R plural, etc.. J947 † edits 08:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Wayback
![Keep](https://web.archive.org/web/20220707002034im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg.png)
Template:Unencyoclopedic
- Template:Unencyoclopedic → Template:Notability (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Similar to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 5#Template:Unencyclopedic; this one also has a typo. Unused. Previously deleted as a template at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/Deleted/October 2005#Template:Unencyoclopedic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
July 5
Sand battery
- Sand battery → British and Irish Magnetic Telegraph Company#Sand battery (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The current usage of "sand battery" is for a electrochemical cell filled with sand wetted by electrolyte. However, it is popularly a type of artillery battery [1], and a type of thermal energy storage sytem. The historical usage of the telegraph battery isn't more prominent that the military usage, found in many different wars in several continents. Thus this should either retarget to artillery battery or point to wiktionary. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 22:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Given
there is no "sand battery" on wiktionary andthree claimed meanings here that are fairly independent of each other, it sounds like a disambiguation page might be the way to go unless someone has convincing evidence of a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. However, all of that is predicated on resolving User:Spinningspark's observation that those other two meanings (artillery and thermal-storage) actually mention this term. DMacks (talk) 23:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- wikt:en:sand battery, built cotemporally with this RfD -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Make DAB. This appears to be in the news right now e.g. [2], so this is a likely search term. As far as a target for the electrical storage battery, it is mentioned in List of battery types but without any elaboration so that is admittedly a poor target; perhaps by the time this RFD closes someone will have written something more substantial. MB 23:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- There was this version [3] which was reverted -- 02:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Use hatnotes. I'm not convinced that the artillery meaning is a genuine term of art describing a distinct type of battery. It looks to me more like a descriptive adjective for its location, much along the lines of "hill battery" or "trench battery". Much more common locations for artillery, but neither currently go anywhere on Wikipedia. That leaves only one other meaning. Use of the term for thermal storage, despite turning up on the BBC, is comparatively rare and mostly in quotes. Looking at gbooks results, they are still mostly for the 19th century electrochemical cell. That puts the electrochemical meaning as the primary topic. If the term is added to thermal battery then a hatnote at British and Irish Magnetic Telegraph Company#Sand battery could be added. The primary meaning may well change in the future, but per WP:CRYSTAL we should no assume that. It seems more than possible to me that better materials than sand will be found and used in the future as the technology takes off and this may turn out to be a short-lived neologism with no lasting notability. SpinningSpark 07:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify with the entries in this version of the article [4] and a link to the wiktionary entry. --Lenticel (talk) 08:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Jane Harvey (Writer)
- Jane Harvey (Writer) → Jane Harvey (writer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Moved article to a lowercase dab (Writer to writer), no need for an uppercased redirect ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 20:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as an accidental misnaming of a new article. Normally page-move redirects are kept, but the article was created just today, so it shouldn't have significant traffic. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per RHARMFUL; this is a fine {{R from other capitalisation}} IMO. J947 † edits 08:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
2,3,4,5,6-pentahydroxyhexanal
- 2,3,4,5,6-pentahydroxyhexanal → Glucose (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This name applies to any aldohexose, not just glucose. 1234qwer1234qwer4 19:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hexose#Aldohexoses: Per nom TartarTorte 19:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per TartarTorte (aldohexose is a redirect to Hexose#Aldohexoses, so the logical "redirect to aldohexose" idea of the nom would by a double-redirect). If this redirect winds up changing, we should likewise change these other redirects:
Template:School
- Template:School → Template:Infobox school (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete redirect as there are no current transclusions. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. No problems with this redirect have been identified. Being unused isn't a valid reason for deletion. - Eureka Lott 00:57, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Eureka Happy Editing--IAmChaos 20:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 04:37, 27 June 2022 (UTC)- Delete. Non-"infobox" prefixed templates should never be used as redirects in articles for infoboxes. We have standardized on this name and it makes it clear to everyone what type of template this is. Additionaly, there are many other templates this redirect could fit just as much, if not more, including Template:School-stub, Template:Schools and others. Gonnym (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please note that this was the infobox template until it was moved via copy-and-paste in 2005. Deleting it could create issues for people digging back into article histories. - Eureka Lott 22:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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R.O.S.E
- R.O.S.E → ROSE Online (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is a similarly titled target R.O.S.E. which is an album by Jessie J. Not sure why the redirect exists without the period at the end. Delete. Not a plausible search term. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 22:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, retarget if the current target is not considered appropriate then. I created it because I had seen it in Google search results without the period the end; I would not have done so if I had not seen it, but as it was years ago, I'd be damned if I could find it again. There are plenty of acronyms where periods are left off the end letter but kept only between the letters; S.O.S for instance is one; U.S is another. It's a bit of a stretch to say it's "not plausible" when some readers clearly type acronyms like this, hence similar redirects. Ss112 22:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is, as always, hard to Google for a punctuation variant, but this forum thread from 2006 does suggest that this punctuation is not-unheard-of. So I'd say keep as a WP:SMALLDETAILS distinction from R.O.S.E.. If the article is deleted before this RfD closes, I'm undecided as to whether the redirect should go too (it would be speedied G8 if not for the active RfD, after all), or whether it should be retargeted to the album. I lean toward deletion in that case, absence evidence that this punctuation variant has been used to refer to the album. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 22:57, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- IMO both R.O.S.E. and R.O.S.E should be redirected to Rose (disambiguation). The inclusion / exclusion of the period is so small and minor it could easily be missed particularly as R.O.S.E. the album is likely to attract a different audience to R.O.S.E the game. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 20:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 13:56, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Rose (disambiguation) due to lack of primary use. Veverve (talk) 06:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget ot Rose (disambiguation), where multiple uses are listed, and for all uses initialed as ROSE, pedantically grammatically can use R.O.S.E. and R. O. S. E. , for which this is a minor typo variation by omission -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Cleanup-serious
- Template:Cleanup-serious → Template:Multiple issues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unused and confusing template redirect - having multiple tags on an article does not imply "serious" cleanup, we have all kinds of cleanup templates for minor issues. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 17:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Unencyclopedic
- Template:Unencyclopedic → Template:Notability (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Hopelessley ambiguous template redirect - pages can be unencyclopedic for all kinds of reasons, e.g. inappropriate tone, being an unsuitable topic, being an unsuitable format, ... I don't think "lacking notability" is remotely synonymous with "unencyclopedic", it's quite possible to have an encyclopedic article on a non-notable topic. I propose replacing the handful of uses and deleting. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 17:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Shep Unplugged
- Shep Unplugged → Shep Messing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
During Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shep Unplugged, the nominator repeatedly rebutted comments by other users because none of the sources provided are simultaneously reliable and support the name of the talk show. I was likewise unable to confirm this title. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Close per WP:RENOM. The AFD was closed eight days ago. There's no sense in re-litigating this now. If you have an issue with the closure, please bring it to WP:DRV. - Eureka Lott 14:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. There are only two potential outcomes here, should the discussion continue. Participants rehash the same issues already discussed (which is already happening), and:
- The discussion reaches a different conclusion than the AFD, contradicting the !voters in the recent discussion and potentially opening up more avenues for controversy; or
- It reaches the same conclusion, after expending unnecessary time and energy to end up exactly where we started. - Eureka Lott 01:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have any problem with the RfD finding a different result than the AfD. It seems in the AfD, participants got hung up on WP:ATD without realizing that a redirect is problematic, and/or assumed there would be material to merge and a redirect would then be cromulent. However, that did not occur and we are left with the unfortunate situation we now find ourselves in. Bringing the issue to RfD is a Good Thing because participants then get a chance to rectify the problem: either find sourcing for this to add a referenced mention of "Shep Unplugged" to the target or delete the redirect. I offered a "conditional delete" because, from what I read, I am optimistic that such a sourced mention can be added (which would be the "same conclusion" case you mentioned, but with the benefit of improving the target article which is never a waste of time or energy). Clamoring for a premature close to this discussion on shaky procedural grounds does not help bring this to a amicable conclusion. -- Tavix (talk) 14:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, does not qualify as a WP:RENOM and doesn't need to be dragged to DRV. LaundryPizza03 and I were 100% unable to prove that "Shep Unplugged" even so much as exists. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shep Unplugged participants who have not commented already: Mrschimpf (talk · contribs), Oaktree b (talk · contribs), Star Mississippi (talk · contribs), Kvng (talk · contribs), Skynxnex (talk · contribs), Sammi Brie (talk · contribs), Starship.paint (talk · contribs), and Dream Focus (talk · contribs). Cunard (talk) 07:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please don’t violate WP:CANVASS. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 22:44, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Reasons for not deleting ("They have a potentially useful page history", "They aid searches on certain terms", and "Someone finds them useful"). Here are three comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shep Unplugged that support retention of this redirect:
- From Skynxnex: "The evidence I've found is a New York Red Bulls fan blog post from April 2008 that mentions it, [5](archive: [6]):
MSG.com's Video Library (Check out Shep Unplugged, a recap of the Revs match, and more)
. Sadly, it appears that MSG Networks pretty completely have lost/scrubbed basically all content from before ~2018 but the original Wiki article seems earnest enough plus the non-Wiki sourced blog post makes it seem to have existed." - From Sammi Brie: "There's definitely enough circumstantial evidence to prove that this thing existed, but at no time should it have ever been labeled as notable, and the fact it falls in the 2000s (the pre-social-media, few-live-websites-today "dark ages" for this type of search) does not do any favors. I submit a forum post from 2008:
He has also been the lead analyst for the MetroStars and the re-branded New York Red Bulls of Major League Soccer for several years. During these broadcasts, Shep hosts a segment during halftime entitled Shep Unplugged. Shep is usually outspoken during this segment about league issues and global soccer news.
" - From Dream Focus: "I found him mentioned here http://voices.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/2007/07/conflict_of_interest.html with a comment statement about his "unplugged" segment. I believe it was a real thing. Not enough information for a standalone article so just redirect it."
- From Skynxnex: "The evidence I've found is a New York Red Bulls fan blog post from April 2008 that mentions it, [5](archive: [6]):
- Close per Eureka Lott (WP:RENOM), and if not, Keep per Cunard. starship.paint (exalt) 09:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete same reasons as above. Oaktree b (talk) 11:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Cunard for the ping. I think the redirect should remain as sites confirmed that this segment existed. Thanks, Cunard, for aggregating those links that were presented in the AfD. The RBNY post is a blog, but the link is to the network's own site. I wasn't able to access a media site on the internet archive, but it's possible one of the other archive sites would have it. If offline sources are (and should be) OK, there's no reason to penalize a pre-social media show whose web format didn't archive well. The segment was by no means notable, which is why no one at the AfD was arguing for a keep, but it makes sense to help the reader learn more about Messing's career. This is not a BLP issue.
- @LaundryPizza03
the nominator repeatedly rebutted comments by other users
because nearly every !voter disagrees with him doesn't make him repeating himself and utterly bludgeoning the discussion have more weight. I'm not sure who you're so against a redirect existing @TenPoundHammer when we know Shep Messing had a broadcast career that included the MSG halftime show. It helps the reader and doesn't harm Wikipedia for this to exist. Star Mississippi 11:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)- So a blog pointing to a link that isn't in the Wayback Machine is considered sufficient evidence? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The link is in the wayback machine. The media content is not. Star Mississippi 15:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- True, but if there is no content about this in the article, it should be deleted. None of the keep votes address this fact. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 22:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- The link is in the wayback machine. The media content is not. Star Mississippi 15:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- So a blog pointing to a link that isn't in the Wayback Machine is considered sufficient evidence? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Nine people said to redirect it, two said to delete it, it was closed as redirect. Dream Focus 11:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Conditional delete unless content on this subject is added to the article. As of now, if I were to be seeking specific information on "Shep Unplugged" I would not be able to find it at the place I was redirected to, which is problematic. -- Tavix (talk) 15:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This would be better as a WP:DRV, but what Tavix is saying is (1) critical and (2) missed by the keep voters: if no place in the article mentions this, it is a misleading and unhelpful redirect. The only rationale for keeping is based on the previous AFD, but that doesn’t factor in WP:CCC, and the redirect policy of making sure there’s information at the redirect, therefore it shouldn’t have been redirected without information being added. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 22:37, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Found the policy - WP:R#DELETE bullet #8. This redirect can be readded if sourced information is added to the main article. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 22:40, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Pinging Donaldd23 from the AfD, which may well have been an honest omission by Cunard when he pinged the participants. I don't know if this was the basis for 47.23.40.14's CANVASS violation statement.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 17:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Jay: Same IP as before. That was not the basis for canvassing, the fact he deliberately pinged editors who mainly sided with him is why I said it was canvassing. 12.119.134.66 (talk) 17:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Sproftacchel
- Sproftacchel → Photo stand-in (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect was created in good faith but I am pretty sure that "Sproftacchel" is a made-up word that was added to Photo stand-in by a vandal. I have found no evidence for the word ever being used before it was added in 2021. See the Photo stand-in talk page for details. It has no (non-trivial) edit history and nothing links to it. I believe it should be deleted so it won't mislead users who search for "Sproftacchel". Jak86 (talk)(contribs) 16:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: From my research the nominator is almost assuredly correct that this is cytogenesis; however, with the length of time that "sproftacchel" was on wikipedia, there have been a number of people who use that term without other explanation. While it should be removed from the page; I think keeping the redirect could be helpful for navigation/information. It's a weird scenario. TartarTorte 17:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, would it be better to retarget it to the talk page section? I think keeping it like it is implicitly endorses the word as a valid synonym. It might be different if the article had a section about the citogenesis, but I don't know if it's notable enough for that. Jak86 (talk)(contribs) 18:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do think a talk page redirect could be worthwhile; having said that, unfortunately, cross-name redirects to talk are banned under WP:R3, so that probably wouldn't go well with closer. I think that having the redirect without having anything in the article isn't necessarily an endorsement. I just hesitate to call for deletion when there are people now using the term even if it is a neologism. TartarTorte 18:22, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- In that case, would it be better to retarget it to the talk page section? I think keeping it like it is implicitly endorses the word as a valid synonym. It might be different if the article had a section about the citogenesis, but I don't know if it's notable enough for that. Jak86 (talk)(contribs) 18:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I had already posted a comment on Talk:Photo stand-in. I agree with TartarTorte. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Chinese languages
- Chinese languages → Sinitic languages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I am unsure about having this page redirect to Sinitic languages, because Sinitic potentially includes the Greater Bai languages which is generally not associated with the term "Chinese".
I would like to retarget this page to Chinese language per the above, but that page states that Chinese is a group of languages instead of a single one, making this page a potential move target for it. Should we move that page, however, this redirect blocks such a move, leading to this nomination. NasssaNser - T 14:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- NasssaNser, this was discussed at Talk:Chinese language#Requested move 26 April 2015 which resulted in no action. If you still want this, propose a new move request on that page. If there is consensus to move a request can be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves for a WP:ROUNDROBIN move. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:54, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Eq
- Template:Eq → Template:= (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Recently, {{=}} became a magic word. This means that any use of {{eq}} in any form will lead to issues with Category:Pages which use a template in place of a magic word regardless of how it's used. The redirect is also not currently used in capacity. I suggest deleting it to avoid encouraging calling magic words through templates. Aidan9382 (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Per nominator. A largely unused template that links to a now magic word is no longer helpful. TartarTorte 15:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: This definitely shouldn't be a redirect at this point because the content of Template:= is somewhat technically sensitive (due to being one of the few template names that's special-cased by the software). We'd have to either duplicate the template or delete the redirect, and it doesn't make much sense to have a template that duplicates a magic word (especially when its name is longer and less clear than the alternative, yet short enough to confuse many people who might see it). --ais523 16:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Question: Should {{Equal}} and {{Equals}} be included in this nomination? – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. Looking at a similar template, Template:!, it has no redirects. I imagine it had at least one if not more. Gonnym (talk) 07:19, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Qasim al-Faqi
- Qasim al-Faqi → Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Originally created in error by block-evading sockpuppet JawnFamily when moving from Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr. We already are retaining the correct alternative name Qasim al-Faqih as a redirect, so to also keep this minimally different but wrong redirect seems superfluous.
Moreover, when one types in "Qasim al" or "Qasim al-faq" what should appear is the correct Qasim al-Faqih, not this. This is especially important given that the target page does not mention "Qasim al-Faqih" for the time being, giving readers the impression that "Qasim al-Faqi" is correct. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 01:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I originally declined the speedy-delete WP:G5 nomination because technically, the redirect wasn't created by the sockpuppet (see the history) and if one person made an error in titling the article, another person might also, so the redirect seemed plausible. My edit summary had mistakenly recommended discussion at WP:MFD instead of here at RFD, so I have just moved it here. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Niggly Wiggly
- Niggly Wiggly → Hershey's Kisses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. Searching shows this is a slang term for the paper strip in a Hershey Kiss and had some Twitter exposure, but the article refers to it only as "the paper plume", as does the company. MB 07:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Martial arts craze
- Martial arts craze → Modern schools of ninjutsu (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seems rather vague. I don't see why schools that teach martial arts is an appropriate target. Retarget to Martial arts or delete. MB 07:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This isn't an appropriate target, and it turns out that nobody thought that it was; this redirect wasn't created intentionally. Rather, it came about as a consequence of multiple rounds of bot-driven double-redirect fixing as a consequence of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neo-ninja; as far as I can tell this would have been a quadruple redirect if not for the bot fixes, and some of the individual steps along the chain were a little dicey in the first place. It isn't surprising that, after what is effectively a bot-driven game of Chinese whispers, the resulting redirect doesn't make any sense. --ais523 16:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete there have been several martial arts crazes. The one in the 70s lead to kung fu, jeet kune do and karate schools. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete can't find good targets in either martial arts or martial arts timeline. --Lenticel (talk) 08:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Martial arts#20th century (1914 to 1989) which describes the popularisation of Eastern martial arts in the West. Martial arts craze originally redirected to Ninja craze (which made a lot more sense). That title was redirected to Neo-ninja which was later merged with Schools of Ninjutsu, and still later renamed to the current target. I tend to agree that that is too vague even for its original target. I also think that Ninja craze ought to be retargeted to Ninjas in popular culture#Modern popular culture which does indeed describe a modern ninja craze. SpinningSpark 08:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with your retarget suggestion for Ninja craze, but you can probably do it boldly; it shouldn't need a second RfD. I'm not so sure about the suggestion for the redirect under discussion, though. --ais523 21:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Tramping
I recently changed the target of this redirect from Hiking to Tramping in New Zealand, owing to Tramping being a term mostly exclusive to New Zealand whose subject is better covered by the latter article than the general article on hiking. That edit was reverted, so I figured it would be a better course of action to open a RfD instead to hold a broader discussion rather than attempting to change it again. I'd also note that, as far as I can tell, all but one of the articles which link to tramping are doing so in a New Zealand context (the exception being Eddy Joe Cotton). Turnagra (talk) 06:10, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- retarget to Tramping in New Zealand as proposed as indeed, that is what this term is all about. Schwede66 10:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Dictionary definitions ([7], [8], [9]) do not indicate the term is exclusive to New Zealand. In fact, one uses the example "We spent a week tramping the streets of San Francisco, looking for movie locations." — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs) 12:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as is. Even if the term is exclusive to New Zealand, it still refers to hiking generally, not just hiking in New Zealand. SpinningSpark 09:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Grounded videos
- Grounded videos → Vyond#"Grounded" videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Punishment day → Vyond#"Grounded" videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect topic no longer mentioned on the target page, but these two terms seem to mostly be associated with Vyond/GoAnimate videos. Keep or delete? And "punishment day" could either refer to the type of Vyond video, or a day that a child gets various punishments in real life. Colgatepony234 (talk) 03:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as nom was expecting a decision through discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 03:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Uncle Clarence
- Uncle Clarence → Clarence Thomas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I was just correcting broken redirects that resulted from vandalism page move of the Clarence Thomas article and came across this one. It is recently created but isn't the result of a mistake, misnomer or typo so I thought I'd bring it to RFD as it seems as inappropriate as moving the Thomas article to a new title that has now been revision deleted from the page. Liz Read! Talk! 22:22, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Despite this nickname being overtly offensive and racist to Justice Thomas (a fact that disgusts me personally), it is a verifiable nickname rooted in sourcing. WP:R#DELETE mentions that redirects that are "offensive or abusive" should be deleted; however, the concern of that guideline does not appear to be directed towards redirects of this nature, just stuff like a hypothetical redirect saying "Clarence Thomas sucks". Additionally, non-neutral redirects are considered permissible, especially when covered in reliable sourcing (see WP:RNEUTRAL:
perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion.
andif a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral
). I see no reason why this nickname shouldn't simply fall in the non-neutral camp. As I said before, this nickname has rooting in sourcing. It's mentioned in the NY Daily News (which is a green lighted source at WP:RSP), Hollywood Reporter, BET, and Fox News. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC) - Keep per checkers. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:32, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, it is not a significant enough nickname to be used in the article. Perhaps it could be documented at Clarence Thomas#Public perception? If that were to stick, then I would be at a keep. -- Tavix (talk) 13:44, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. This is pretty much the same case as the deletions of Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, and Crooked Hillary. All the articles linked are about the same thing: that Samuel L. Jackson called him that in a new tweet. The standards for reporting on things celebrities do are rock-bottom low. We'll need some proof this nickname has legs, is widely used and notable enough to be encyclopedic. Otherwise it just looks like Wikipedia is endorsing calling him "Uncle Clarence" (I don't like the guy, but sheesh). Nohomersryan (talk) 01:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 03:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Not significant enough to be mentioned in article. MB 16:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Krull valuation
- Krull valuation → Ultrametric space (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. There is a passing mention at C-minimal theory. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Valuation (algebra). Looking on Scholar Google, it seeems that Krull valuations are exactly the same things as the valuation defined there, and that "Krull" is here only for disambiguating from other possible meanings of "valuation" (one of the pdfs provided by Scholar Google gives a definition of a Krull valuation that is exactly that of the suggested target). I have not a clear opinion whether "sometimes called a Krull valuation" should be added to the first sentence of the new target. D.Lazard (talk) 08:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Mass shooting generation
- Mass shooting generation → Generation Z (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It's apparently about how mass shootings are allegedly more common than ever but I couldn't find anything in the article of or relating to mass shootings. Without context, there's an unfortunate implication that this is a legitimate alternative name for the topic. Greyhound 84 (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete no evidence that this generation is known by that name.--70.24.248.109 (talk) 03:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Is an actual term, sadly. Whether this is the correct target is up for debate. J947 † edits 08:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Seems to be the correct target – "For members of Generation Z, who hold the distinction of being referred to as the mass-shooting generation...". SpinningSpark 09:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
July 4
Friedrich Linde
- Friedrich Linde → Fedor Linde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Used in two articles. In both instances it redirects to the wrong subject, whose Germanized name was also "Friedrich Linde". However, the subject is never referred to by this name, being a Russian of German descent. Jay D. Easy (t • c) 20:18, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Harmless. Not entirely sure why the nom is considering deletion, since this is clearly the Germanized name of the target article's subject. A Google search does show results related to Fedor Linde, though it appears that he didn't use his Germanized name that often. CycloneYoris talk! 08:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 12:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Jay D. Easy: Can you help me understand your position? Are you suggesting to disambiguate between the "two articles"? It looks like the other two (assuming you disagree with the current target) was a general manager of Linde plc who received the title of Wehrwirtschaftsführer (mentioned in both articles) and a musician mentioned at Hymnody of continental Europe. -- Tavix (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
꤀
- ꤀ → 0 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤁ → 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤂ → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤃ → 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤄ → 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤅ → 5 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤆ → 6 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤇ → 7 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤈ → 8 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ꤉ → 9 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. Likely more context if redirected to Kayah Li alphabet#Digits. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Publius AElius Hadrian
- Publius AElius Hadrian → Hadrian (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Incorrect capitalization ★Trekker (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as ASCII-only version of Publius Ælius Hadrian. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per 1234qwer1234qwer4. "AE" is a perfectly plausible way to type "Æ." Regards, SONIC678 00:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lean keep, for the reason mentioned by 1234quer and Sonic678, although I note that someone typing this would probably finish with "Hadrianus", not "Hadrian"; i.e. anyone typing his Roman name would probably not anglicize the cognomen. But that's "probably", so I can imagine a slight possibility someone would come up with this. P Aculeius (talk) 11:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as AE might be a reasonable variant for Æ --Lenticel (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:What wikipedia is
- Wikipedia:What wikipedia is → Help:Introduction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Similarly-titled Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is is a redirect to Wikipedia:About. FAdesdae378 21:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to WP:About. Help:Introduction is an introduction for editors, whereas WP:About is a more general-purpose intro suitable for both readers and editors. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:About per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Monsters, Inc. 0
- Monsters, Inc. 0 → Monsters University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Monsters, Inc. 1.5 → Monsters University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not seeing any evidence of usage of either alternative name, and am particularly confused as to how both of these names could apply. Delete unless evidence of use can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete the first, and delete the second per nom. While yes, it might be perceived as Monsters, Inc. 0 since it's a prequel as the creator said in the initial edit summary, I haven't really found any reliable sources supporting this title (just stuff about images, time marks, debate points, a Funko Pop figure, and a bunch of other unrelated stuff; a few do mention Monsters University, but not as another title). As for the second; results don't mention it as another title; and there's results for the exact text on websites in Arabic, 1.5-inch merchandise, one or two mirrors of Wikipedia, among others; but none for Monsters University. We can definitely be rid of the second, though I'm not 100% sure of the same for the first. Regards, SONIC678 00:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all as nonexistent names. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all. Made up names by redirect creators. Neocorelight (Talk) 07:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per justifications above. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:01, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Select Beverages
- Select Beverages → Keurig Dr Pepper (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, nothing relevant comes up in a DuckDuckGo search. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:00, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep The connection is mentioned at A.J. Canfield Company. This company was purchased by Select, who in turn were purchased by another joint-venture company and eventually wound up owned by the company that became Keurig Dr Pepper in 2018. OrgoneBox (talk) 20:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Formosa
- Formosa → Geography of Taiwan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It should redirect to Taiwan, in the same way Siam or Persia redirect their current names. Failing that, it should redirect to History of Taiwan. It is more of a historical term rather than a geographical one. Vpab15 (talk) 14:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- "Formosa" means "beautiful island" and was used for the purpose of complimenting the Taiwan island as such an island. It is supposed to redirect to a geographical entity rather than a political entity. And currently, the closest geographical article is Geography of Taiwan. So I think the redirection is fine as it is. --Matt Smith (talk) 01:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: The article on Taiwan is about the political entity of the Republic of China which includes (slightly more) than what was formerly known as Formosa. Redirection to Geography of Taiwan seems to be appropriate. One could discuss if per the standard set by Ireland vs. Republic of Ireland that Geography of Taiwan be moved to Taiwan with Taiwan moved to Republic of China, but that would involve a WP:RM. Given the pages where they are at now, I argue for keep. TartarTorte 12:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ireland contains both the Republic and Northern Ireland, so it is a different scenario. Formosa is just a historical name for Taiwan, just as Ceylon is the historic name for Sri Lanka and redirects to it. Vpab15 (talk) 14:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- It's a historical name for the Taiwan island, not for the Republic of China. The Taiwan article is about the Republic of China. Please check the "Formation" section in the country infobox. Those are major events of the Republic of China. Matt Smith (talk) 04:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ireland contains both the Republic and Northern Ireland, so it is a different scenario. Formosa is just a historical name for Taiwan, just as Ceylon is the historic name for Sri Lanka and redirects to it. Vpab15 (talk) 14:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- "Formosa" has been used to describe the island for hundreds of years, and was long synonymous with "Taiwan" (the island and whatever government it had). It did mean Qing Taiwan, Japanese Taiwan or ROC Taiwan at various times in history. Now I'd argue that "Formosa" is a bit dated in Western use, and less synonymous with the current-day political entity (although "Formosa" has been popular with pro-independence groups in Taiwan). Either keep or move Formosa (disambiguation) to Formosa work for me here. —Kusma (talk) 08:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Në rjedhën e jetës
- Në rjedhën e jetës → List of Albanian films of the 1960s (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ne rjedhen e jetes → List of Albanian films#1960s (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect from a film title to a list of films that doesn't have this title in it. Even if it were listed there, simply redirecting a film title to a generic list of films from its country is not reasonable or useful at all -- a film that isn't deemed individually notable could legitimately be redirected to its director if he or she has an article, or to a specific film series if it was part of one, but not just to a general list of Albanian films. Bearcat (talk) 11:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I also found Ne rjedhen e jetes (without the umlaut), for which I think the same action should be taken. Adding it here. Regards, SONIC678 21:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Games Magazine
![Keep](https://web.archive.org/web/20220707002034im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg.png)
Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory
- Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory → Anaphora of Saint Gregory (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect leads to an unrelated article. The Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory is an Eastern Orthodox liturgy of the Western Rite Orthodoxy (source). The expression "Divine Liturgy" is mostly used within Eastern Orthodoxy. However, the target is an Oriental Orthodox liturgy used in the Coptic Church.
Therefore, and as per WP:REDYES, this redirect should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 06:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- The term "Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory" is also used in English-language material relating to the Coptic Orthodox Church. See this, or this for example. It could be turned into a disambiguation page, but deleting it is a mistake. – Scyrme (talk) 15:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- For the record, the boldlead at the current target says
Liturgy of Saint Gregory
. I say tag it with {{R with possibilities}} and should it ever be created there would be a hat at each pointing to the other. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 00:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Blake Fitzgerald
- Blake Fitzgerald → Blake Fitzpatrick (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was created under the wrong title. In May, I moved it to the correct title based on a request by Animalparty, and resolved to wait a bit to see if pageviews dropped off, before RfDing. The incorrect title got all of 4 views in the month after the move, and 0 in the second month, so I think it can be safely deleted. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 06:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog video game
- Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog video game → Sonic Frontiers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Untitled Sonic game → Sonic Frontiers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Draft:Untitled Sonic game → Sonic Frontiers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another unhelpful and purposeless redirects. The game has a title. Neocorelight (Talk) 02:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - no longer of any help to the reader. Sergecross73 msg me 02:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete this overly generic redirect. NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and salt all Clearly misleading to have a redirect to an untitled game point to a game with a title, and at present there is no good target to point these to. I also suggest salting because this cycle will repeat every time a new Sonic game is announced. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and salt per Mellohi. – The Grid (talk) 21:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for the opinion on salting. Although this is only for Sonic games, this may set a precedent for salting of other "Untitled" redirect titles. If another closer feels that the salting discussion is beyond the scope of this RfD and should instead be continued at an appropriate forum, example WT:Naming conventions (video games)#Naming convention for games that have yet to receive an official title (which may have been inconclusive), they may Delete without salting; or Delete and Salt if there is consensus.
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- Delete and salt, with the will to establish a precedent for those kind of 'Untitled' articles as per WP:CRYSTAL. Veverve (talk) 06:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unneeded but I would prefer not salting. Sometimes, an upcoming untitled work garners a lot of attention, and is worthy of an article, and I'd prefer not to make the decision about that in advance of it happening. Fieari (talk) 07:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Usually the norm for just-announced sequels without an article is to either mention them on the franchise page (if it exists) or the page of the latest (or most relevant) installment of the franchise. I think those two ways usually work well enough until the sequel's name is revealed. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. WhenYouWiki (A person) (Talk) 10:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom but hold off on the WP:SALT. Protecting these titles from creation might complicate matters if there is not much info known about it yet. I second Fieari's argument above me. Regards, SONIC678 20:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all but do not salt. We never know if there will be another Sonic game in the future. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete but do not salt, per comments. NasssaNser - T 13:54, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do not salt the untitled in draftspace. I'm sure there could be a time where we could start writing before a name is announced, and move when it is ready into mainspace. No comment on salting mainspace - but Delete all Happy Editing--IAmChaos 00:54, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
July 3
Simon Fieschi
- Simon Fieschi → Charlie Hebdo shooting#Wounded (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Mentioned in Template:January 2015 France attacks, but not at target. Also listed at Charlie Hebdo#Staff. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: It was in the article at the time of the redirect. It appears that Simon was removed from the article at some point. There are sources that say Simon was injured, so the text could be restored to the article. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Doly Gringy
- Doly Gringy → Charlie Hebdo shooting#Assailants (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to another article or delete: Doly Gringy is an alias for a person named Amedy Coulibaly. At the time of creating this redirect, there was also a redirect for Amedy Coulibaly pointing at the Charlie Hebdo shooting which I had also created. The Amedy Coulibaly redirect was expanded into an article a day later, but this redirect was not changed to point to the new article. (It looks like I was not aware of the new article, which is why I didn't fix the redirect.) The only problem with redirecting is that the Amedy Coulibaly article does not mention his alias currently, so it might still make more sense to delete than fix. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC) (Creator of Redirect)
Talk:Interstate 885 (North Carolina)
- Talk:Interstate 885 (North Carolina) → Talk:Interstate 885 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect page should be deleted since it is itself a talk page for another redirect page. Redirect pages do not require talk pages, and it is also redundant for talk pages themselves to have redirects leading to them. This page is a byproduct of when a draft was being moved into the Main namespace. OrdinaryJosh (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. This page is even listed under the category of "Temporary maintenance holdings." All the more reason to delete this page in my book. OrdinaryJosh (talk) 20:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- I suggest striking your second reason, as that is coming from Template:rfd, has nothing to do with the page itself. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Restore to talkpage status, I guess. I don't think it's a very important question whether a talkpage of a redirect should be a redirect, proper talk page, or redlink, but I do think that redirecting a talkpage when not part of a pagemove is generally unnecessary (courtesy ping Morriswa), so, given that we're here, let's restore Special:PermaLink/621976383 and leave it at that. But I'd stress that I don't think discussions like this are a good use of volunteer time. Also, "Temporary maintenance holdings" is coming from the RfD template itself. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and tag with {{ R from remote talk page}}. There may be no reason to create talk pages on redirects, but once one exists, there is even less reason to commit community and administrator effort into deleting it if they are harmless. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
The fire at the oil depot in Vasylkiv
- The fire at the oil depot in Vasylkiv → 2022 Vasylkiv oil depot fire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Cluttered original title left over after a page move – not very concise and may interfere with the search engine. ComplexRational (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Violence in film
- Violence in film → Combat in film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target is different from the subject of the redirect, and should be the same as Violence in movies below. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 09:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Is deletion all you can think about? I am amazed. As this touches upon another aspect, I don't think that combat automatically implies violence, or v.v. See also: below. -- Kku (talk) 10:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Is this a personal attack? Ironically, you have just supported deletion in this argument instead of opposing it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Violence in movies
- Violence in movies → Graphic violence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Too specific, not all film violence is graphic. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:38, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 09:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and think again. Which percentage of violence would you say comes from language (or sound) in movies? Be specific. If we talk about the US, at least on TV four letter words are bleeped out, aren't they? I don't know how it is with cinema presentations. But how often do you hear a one-to-one reiteration of the result of torture or killing in explicit dialogue? In Apocalypse Now, afair, the graphical violence makes up almost 100%. In every horror movie I watched, pictures are foremost. Monsters do not declare whom they will eat and how. They just do it. Where does 'violence' in language even start in general? While your general impulse is probably valid, please prove to me that it's not mainly the depiction of violence that people can and will find appalling,disgusting,revolting. -- Kku (talk) 10:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- I cannot comprehend why this is relevant to your argument — graphic violence is severe and realistic violence. Profanity is not violence, and cartoon violence can appear in films like Looney Tunes. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- As per
, you have just affirmed my thoughts. Or you are able to state clearly which part specifically of film violence is not graphic. Thank you for your consideration. -- Kku (talk) 06:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)Graphic violence refers to the depiction of especially vivid, brutal and realistic acts of violence in visual media such as film, television, and video games. It may be real, simulated live action, or animated.
- As per
- I cannot comprehend why this is relevant to your argument — graphic violence is severe and realistic violence. Profanity is not violence, and cartoon violence can appear in films like Looney Tunes. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Violence in television
- Violence in television → Graphic violence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Too specific, not all television violence is graphic. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 09:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep . See above. -- Kku (talk) 10:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Unreasonable force
- Unreasonable force → Police brutality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This could apply to things besides law enforcement. Delete as too vague. MB 00:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- delete, also a possible synonym for disproportionate force as a war crime. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:53, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why not disambiguate, then? BD2412 T 02:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, or possibly DABify if a good DAB draft is shown. Veverve (talk) 06:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or Disambiguate if there are other uses. Search results only find examples. Excessive force and disproportionate force are similar, and the words are not ambiguous in meaning, only the context; could these be explained in use of force or a similar article? 82.132.184.38 (talk) 23:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Question would it be better retargetted to Right of self-defense which where reasonable force is currently pointing to as a Redirect from antonym --Lenticel (talk) 02:23, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Use of force ––FormalDude talk 22:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Noble Consort Mei
- Noble Consort Mei → Noble Consort Wen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Consort Mei was a disambiguation page with two entries - Jiang Caipin and Noble Consort Wen - but has been redirected to Jiang Caipin by @Yinweiaiqing:. Noble Consort Mei is a redirect to Noble Consort Wen. Is this correct? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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Fuck Joe Biden
- Fuck Joe Biden → Let's Go Brandon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Page was was already unanimous deleted. Not sure why or how it was recreated. Same reasons as previous deletion, available here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovemydoodle (talk • contribs) 10:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ilovemydoodle, the redirect was discussed at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 October 20, where there appears to have been consensus for its creation. I don't see any problems with the redirect: it goes exactly where it's supposed to: the target article even has the term in bold in its opening sentence. – Uanfala (talk) 11:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Happy Editing--IAmChaos 17:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- There was a consensus to delete the article. Setting aside that that consensus was effectively overridden in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Let's Go Brandon, about a closely related phrase, a consensus to delete an article does not (usually) preclude creating a redirect at that title. If the only reason advanced for deletion here is
Same reasons as previous deletion
, no part of Elli's rationale there applies to a redirect, so speedy keep under WP:SKCRIT#1, no intelligible grounds for deletion. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)- @Tamzin: I assume that a "delete" result of an AFD does not preclude later redirection by default? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mellohi!: Isn't that what I just said? Or did one of us drop a "not"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: I believe we did not miscommunicate here. I was going to ask you about two July 1 RFDs about redirects that were nominated for deletion (Sarah Forbes (cricketer) and Ivan Pavlovsky (gymnast)) just because they occupied the same locations as deleted articles. I had contemplated speedy-keeping them but I was too hesitant. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mellohi!: I've closed the latter under SKCRIT#1. I've also explained in the close why I don't think the former falls under that. Off-topic, so, feel free to follow up on my talkpage if you have further questions.
:)
-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mellohi!: I've closed the latter under SKCRIT#1. I've also explained in the close why I don't think the former falls under that. Off-topic, so, feel free to follow up on my talkpage if you have further questions.
- @Tamzin: I believe we did not miscommunicate here. I was going to ask you about two July 1 RFDs about redirects that were nominated for deletion (Sarah Forbes (cricketer) and Ivan Pavlovsky (gymnast)) just because they occupied the same locations as deleted articles. I had contemplated speedy-keeping them but I was too hesitant. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Mellohi!: Isn't that what I just said? Or did one of us drop a "not"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: I assume that a "delete" result of an AFD does not preclude later redirection by default? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Tamzin. Likely search term for the current target but also this specific phrase is discussed there as well. Previous consensus appeared to be for this to be a redirect and no real reason to delete has been given. Not all deleted articles should be turned into redirects, and not always right away, but this seems like a case of it definitely being a suitable target. A7V2 (talk) 02:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Valid search term, discussed extensively at target. Fieari (talk) 07:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:What The Fuck? Oh My God! Too Many Damn Three Letter Acronyms. ARRRGGGHHH!!!!~!@!~1`2
- Wikipedia:What The Fuck? Oh My God! Too Many Damn Three Letter Acronyms. ARRRGGGHHH!!!!~!@!~1`2 → Wikipedia:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG! (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Difficult to use search handles, “~!@!~1`2” at the end of the title makes this page even more difficult to access. Q28 (talk) 08:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Move to Wikipedia:What The Fuck? Oh My God! Too Many Damn Three Letter Acronyms. ARRRGGGHHH!!!!. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 11:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete implausible search term. Slywriter (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible and completely useless. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Implausible, mostly because of the tildas, at-sign, and numbers at the end. The number of exclamation points also fails to match the essay. Fieari (talk) 07:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as an ancient redirect to a humorous essay which is both used in historical discussions and which gets some page views. 60 is page views a year suggests that some people are either using this or are coming across it in archives. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Implausible search term. Rename the essay if preferable to spell it out. czar 21:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, completely useless. I like it. J947 † edits 08:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a bit funny, it's very old, it isn't harmful, it's in WP-space, and WP:CHEAP. Skynxnex (talk) 13:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:DQ
- Wikipedia:DQ → Wikipedia:WikiProject Square Enix (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think the page should redirect to Wikipedia:Database queries. Q28 (talk) 08:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment DQ is a long-established abbreviation for Dragon Quest, a franchise maintained by the company. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:27, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The redirect is a legacy of when the short-lived Dragon Quest project was merged into the Square Enix project way back in 2011; it was a little-trafficked project then and it's an unlikely redirect now. If Database Queries wants it, it makes sense to switch it over. --PresN 23:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget is much more likely to be used. czar 21:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:TI
- Wikipedia:TI → Wikipedia:Contents/Categories (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think it would be better to redirect the page to the Wikipedia:Template index, as I don't understand why this is short for Contents/Categories. Q28 (talk) 08:32, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like it originally pointed to Wikipedia:Topical index. but has been moved around a bit to avoid double redirects, hence landing at a name that doesnt quite fit the 'TI', but it's old enough I daresay keep. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Michael Kruse (Politicians)
- Michael Kruse (Politicians) → Michael Kruse (politician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No use, incorrect capitalization and plural disambiguator. Title used for about 20 minutes before page move. MB 07:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IAmChaos. The miscapitalization could also be the result of holding the ⇧ Shift key too long, but the plural at the end makes it...just implausible. If there were multiple politicians with that name, it might be fine, but if this guy is the only notable politician with that name on the site, we might have to do without this redirect. Regards, SONIC678 03:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible and useless. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete due to malformed modifier --Lenticel (talk) 09:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete--Polonomy (talk) 08:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Polar vector
- Polar vector → Pseudovector (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
As pointed out in the target article, a polar vector is contrasted with a pseudovector; they are not the same thing. Given that polar vectors are implicitly described by our article on vectors (they do not carry the additional sign flip under reflection of a space as pseudovectors do), we could either point the redirect there, or expand it into a clarifying article to contrast with pseudovectors, if the distinction is noteworthy enough to effectively get its own article. ChromaNebula (talk) 04:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I understand the nom's motivation--polar vectors are just ordinary vectors and that would be the natural target. However, polar vectors are mentioned 40 times in the Pseudovector article and discussed in some depth there, whereas polar is mentioned not at all in the Vector (mathematics and physics) article. So the current redirect is compelling to me as the best place for a reader to learn about polar vs axial varieties of vectors. Not opposed to a standalone article, but I'm not sure it is needed. --
{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk}
11:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, ditto what Mark viking said. --Steve (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose: This is also the same reason why integral ideal is a redirect to fractional ideal. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Dissociality
- Anti-social behaviour (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] →
- Antisocial personality disorder#ICD-10 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] →
These should point to the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect both to Antisocial personality disorder as the other article only mentions "dissocial" in the context of the disorder, while the disorder article explains that "dissocial personality disorder focuses on affective deficits" and thus explains it better. GreenReaper (talk) 12:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Both should redirect to Anti-social behaviour. I originally created the Dissociality redirect for use at ICD-11. In the ICD-11, there are no separate personality disorder categories in the traditional sense. Instead, the ICD-11 uses two categories: Personality disorder (6D10) and Personality difficulty (QE50.7). Both are measured by five treats, with Dissociality (6D11.2) being one of them. Both redirects should not point to Antisocial personality disorder because the ICD-11 considers this category to be somewhat obsolete, even though many believe that category-based diagnosing should be retained. Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 15:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: There is currently no #ICD-10 paragraph in the article Antisocial personality disorder, so the second redirect should be fixed anyway. - Manifestation (talk) 15:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
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Discrimination against trans women
- Discrimination against trans women → Trans woman#Discrimination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Discrimination against transgender women → Trans woman#Discrimination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Discrimination against transgender men is its own page, but this is a redirect. Instead, it should be targeted at transmisogyny. Which is more appropriate? Or more complete — Tazuco 17:51, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Transmisogyny; it's more appropriate to redirect to the article that covers it in more detail. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 20:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:09, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This looks to me like an avoided double redirect to Discrimination against transgender women. If that redirect is wrong, fix that first. Or create an article ;-) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Discrimination against transgender women bundled per Shhhnotsoloud. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:07, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for bundling, tagged as avoided double. I say Retarget to Transmisogyny per above. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Placer Dam
- Placer Dam → Perry River Dam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Placer dam → Perry River Dam (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This appears to be a misnomer which an editor recently unable to find sources to support, leading to a page move. Unless editors can find evidence attesting this as an alternative name, the redirect should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as {{R from move}}. It may be wrong, but the article was at that title since 2008. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment added Placer dam which points to the same target. There seem to be other non-notable dams correctly known as Placer Dam, e.g. [10] (southern edge of the map, second square from the right); additionally placer dam in sentence case seems to be a a type of dam [11] (related to placer mining?) 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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10001 (number)
10001 (number) → 10,000#10001 to 10999 (links · history · stats)[ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The result of the discussion was delete after replacement as discussed. 176.98.158.31 (talk) 15:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G4. D.Lazard (talk) 16:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, G4 doesn't apply as the result of an Articles for deletion discussion does not apply to a redirect. Jalen Folf (talk) 16:16, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- G means General, not Article, and the previous RfD was a deletion discussion, since the conclusion was delete. D.Lazard (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- I do not see a previous RfD discussion, only one for AfD. While some participants of that discussion suggested no redirect and no merge, there is no consensus for such. Jalen Folf (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- From what I know of CSD rules, redirects take G and R but not A criteria. NotReallySoroka (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also, G4 stats that it applies to sufficiently identical copies which isn’t the case here.--70.24.251.91 (talk) 04:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects do take G criteria, but G4 does not apply to a redirect of a title deleted at AfD, as it is not
sufficiently identical
Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- From what I know of CSD rules, redirects take G and R but not A criteria. NotReallySoroka (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- I do not see a previous RfD discussion, only one for AfD. While some participants of that discussion suggested no redirect and no merge, there is no consensus for such. Jalen Folf (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- G means General, not Article, and the previous RfD was a deletion discussion, since the conclusion was delete. D.Lazard (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The redirect was made 16 years after the AfD discussion. The number isn't notable enough for a standalone article but I don't see any harm in keeping it as a redirect — Preceding unsigned comment added by XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 20:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep since many other numbers have a redirect in this fashion. NotReallySoroka (talk) 23:30, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, after setting aside the WP:CSD and WP:OSE arguments that aren't applicable. This number is not discussed at the target, so someone wanting information on this specific number will not be helped by where they end up. -- Tavix (talk) 20:35, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix. Sending readers to an article where this number is not covered is not helpful. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix: G4 doesn't apply, but there isn't any relevant content at the target. – Uanfala (talk) 18:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - there is nothing in the target about this number specifically. A7V2 (talk) 02:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Tavix and others. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Trace College
- Trace College → Los Baños, Laguna (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirecting a school to a city where it belongs seems very implausible. Engr. Smitty Werben 15:03, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Redirecting an otherwise non-notable educational establishment to its location is common, and in this case unambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Refine Target to Los Baños, Laguna#Education --Lenticel (talk) 04:43, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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- I would prefer deletion of these kinds of redirects where there isn't really any information given. But at the very least it should be refined to Los Baños, Laguna#Education. A7V2 (talk) 02:09, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Polish fighter3000
- Polish fighter3000 → Jan-Krzysztof Duda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Plainly not a good redirect target; seems a bit meme-y? If this is a new nickname for Duda, this is certainly the first I'm hearing of it. Iseult Δx parlez moi 01:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep because this is the username of his Chess.com account. GMHikaru is a redirect to Hikaru Nakamura, and that is the username of his Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Twitch accounts. FAdesdae378 01:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Cell tropism
- Cell tropism → Tropism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Created as an unsourced stub of 2 sentences in 2008, this was then promptly redirected. The trouble is, the target is a about a different sense of the word "tropism". The redirect should be deleted to encourage the creation of an article in the same category as Host tropism and Tissue tropism. – Uanfala (talk) 00:30, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Endothelial cell tropism for now. It probably doesn't capture all uses of the term, and a WP:BCA is probably warranted, but the article repeatedly uses the term "cell tropism" so seems like an adequate target for now. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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Nasir Greer
- Nasir Greer → Nasir Greer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No need to link to either itself or to a single year page for his college. Should wait until relevant to be created. Debartolo2917 (talk) 23:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I’m not sure why but the nominator decided to change the original redirect target of 2018 Wake Forest Demon Deacons football team to have this redirect to itself. Since I haven’t seen good reason to have do so I have retargted it back to thr original target. I have no opinion of whether or not it should be deleted though.--70.24.248.109 (talk) 00:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Turn into article, person is actively on the Kansas City Chiefs and IMO has sufficient coverage to warrant an article ([12] [13] [14] [15]). BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete without prejudice to an article being created. Current target (by which I mean 2018 Wake Forest Demon Deacons football team) clearly not suitable since he is now mentioned in multiple places, and a redlink on Kansas City Chiefs#Current roster would likely encourage article creation (WP:RFD#D10). A7V2 (talk) 02:13, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDYES and A7V2; no prejudice against article creation. Note: a redirect should never be made to target itself, but it is also unhelpful/confusing to retarget a redirect during an RfD discussion, even to correct an obvious error. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine
- Potential Tropical Cyclone Nine → Hurricane Isaias (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Potential Tropical Cyclone Three (2021) → Tropical Storm Claudette (2021) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per recent precedent of deleting Potential Tropical Cyclone Two, we shouldn’t have a redirect of a PTC when the storm developed. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 23:08, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete PTC Nine since it's ambiguous and can refer to any storm, but keep PTC Three as it includes the year which makes it unambiguous and harmless. N.b., Just wanted to note that I took the liberty of bundling both redirects nominated by the same IP, and also arranged nomination in chronological order. CycloneYoris talk! 01:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Nine, keep Three per CycloneYoris. It's impossible to get a suitable target for Nine, while Three is unambiguous. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Jesse Rice
- Jesse Rice → Cruise (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not the only work this person is known for, but doesn't seem notable enough for a standalone article. Also seems to be subject to edit warring. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:19, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This was created in response to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Rice (3rd nomination), which was based on the negation of your statement, that this is the only notable topic associated with this person. No counterargument has been offered, based on reliable sources, that there is another wiki-notable topic connected ot this person or that Rice himself meets GNG. I see only an incident in February 2018 where a spam user overwrote with a copyvio, and one case in February 2022 where the user Snix2104 (talk · contribs) created an unreferenced BLP on top of the redirect. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄)
- I agree, even if the edit waring issue was more frequent blocks or protection of the redirect makes much more sense than deletion.--70.24.248.109 (talk) 00:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Keeping the redirect is cheap, and presumably as one of the writers of the biggest songs in US means that he would always be of some interest as a search item. There are also sources on his other works, so can't say that he is completely non-notable. Hzh (talk) 07:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
User:Londonmedialog1
- User:Londonmedialog1 → Alice Thomson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unnecessary redir from user page to an article (Alice Thomson) created by the user, presumably left behind when moving content from user name space to main article space. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Blank. This can be done boldly without taking it to RFD. Neocorelight (Talk) 01:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the editor should be reminded not to use their userpage as a sandbox, as that is not the purpose of the base userpage, and instead use a subpage. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Blank is usually what's done in these situations. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Shi Hao
- Shi Hao → Posthumous name (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is not a clear connection between "Shi Hao" and Posthumous name as far as I can see by Googling. There is Shi Hao (bobsledder) who is a living person. This mixup caused this page to be tagged as an attack page but I'm sending it to RFD in case there is some connection between the page name and the target that has been missed here. This redirect has existed for quite a few years without challenges so perhaps there is something here that we are not seeing. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Shi Hao is a living person (bobsledder). There is no reason in either the Shi Hao (bobsledder) article for this redirect. There is also no reason in the Posthumous Name article. Sorry for mispellings and any mistakes in the wiki code. Neurogeek (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
(This is a duplicate nomination but concerns the same page) Liz Read! Talk! 19:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously it's not an attack page for Shi Hao (bobsledder) because the redirect was created in 2002 (wow, 20 years old!), when the bobsledder was just 5 years old. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 21:07, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Shihao (諡號; shì hào) is a Chinese term that means posthumous name and title - [16]. Hzh (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate It's apparent to me that the primary topic was the Chinese term for posthumous names until the bobsledder became active later on. Since the term stopped being the primary topic, a disambiguation page may be warranted. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This is the transliteration of "谥号", which is given in the infobox at Posthumous name as the Chinese term for the concept. This is probably the primary topic over the bobsledder. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above although a person that is versed in the Chinese language might want to expand Posthumous_name#China to discuss said them might be the better solution. --Lenticel (talk) 12:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Worth noting that this term is already mentioned in the Template:Infobox Chinese at the target. The fact that the template autocollapses the transcriptions sections even when there's only one transcription is rather silly: doing so doesn't save any vertical space at all, but hides the mention of the transcription from readers who try to Ctrl+F to find the mention of their search term and end up with nothing. This problem has come up at multiple RfDs. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:19, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Chamblee Dominos hostage incident
- Chamblee Dominos hostage incident → The Noid#The Noid hostage incident (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should be deleted because the same redirect with better grammar exists (Chamblee Domino’s hostage incident) Somewhereattheendofspace (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Redirects are CHEAP and it seems like a very plausible search term to me. TartarTorte 16:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually now I see that the nominated one is the only one that shows up when you try to type it in. Somewhereattheendofspace (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Somewhereattheendofspace I thought that Chamblee Domino’s hostage incident might have not been popping up because it has a smart quote in it, but I created Chamblee Domino's hostage incident which also doesn't show up in search. Search can be very weird. TartarTorte 19:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Actually now I see that the nominated one is the only one that shows up when you try to type it in. Somewhereattheendofspace (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Owlsley
- Owlsley → Florida Atlantic Owls#Traditions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Owsley: at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories#Redirect request: Owlsley, several editors (myself, Binksternet, and 49.198.51.54) discussed CrownKing0wl's request to created Owlsley as a redirect to Florida Atlantic Owls#Traditions. A few hours after I redirected Owlsley to Owsley per discussion and following the IP's suggestions, CrownKing0wl then re-targeted Owlsley to his favoured target (even though he was pinged to our conversation). I propose this breach of consensus be reverted. Thanks. NotReallySoroka (talk) 08:35, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Owsley as discussed. Binksternet (talk) 12:26, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I redirected it since it is not a misspelling but a play on words of the athletic team’s name (Owls) CrownKing0wl (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Besides, it would be better to redirect this page to the university’s athletic teams page rather than a disambiguation page. CrownKing0wl (talk) 14:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I redirected it since it is not a misspelling but a play on words of the athletic team’s name (Owls) CrownKing0wl (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget. I suggested the Owsley target because it's more likely to be a typo or a mishearing of an established name (try saying "Owsley" and "Owlsley"; they sound really similar) than it is to be a reference to this amateur sporting mascot. Plus, when there's been an informal discussion at AFC/R, it's not right to override the discussion just 28 minutes after the discussion ends. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 21:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep at current target and add a hatnote there to Owsley. It is the only one which uses this spelling. While there does appear to be a consensus at the above-linked discussion to link to the disambiguation page, no actual reason to do so was advanced there. I don't see a compelling reason to not link to the thing that this is the correct spelling for. A7V2 (talk) 02:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Conservative Resident
- Conservative Resident → Conservative Party (UK) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, doesn't appear to be a formal term based on internet and Google Scholar searches, as results are just about residents who are conservative in various contexts. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- The links suggest this was a local branding used by Conservative council candidates in Croydon in the era when you could use whatever variation you felt like, possibly with some eye to the various Residents' parties that used to be more prevalent though whether this was a local merger or just a more voter friendly branding I'm not sure. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes there is quite a lot of history here. It seems to have largely been used in Croydon (where Residents candidates and Conservative Candidates where closely aligned). Quite a strong history of candidates elected as indpendents in 1964 and 1968 being re-elected as Conservatives in 1974 (Bensham Manor comes to mind). The candidates in Norbury stood as "Conservatives" in 1964 and "Conservative Residents" in 1968 - and were members of the Conservative Group on the Council for that whole time - other sources also count "Conservative Resident" candidates as Conservatives - like here from Rallings and Thrasher: http://www.electionscentre.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Croydon-1964-2010.pdf Trimfrim20 (talk) 08:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per Tim and Trimfrim. It seems to be an actually attested name for certain groups of Tories. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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Retards FC
- Retards FC → Ascension Island Football League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I cannot find any sources that refer to "Retard United" of the Ascension Island Football League as "Retards FC", so this seems to be an implausible search term. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 05:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Speedy delete, per WP:G10 and take Retard United with it. SailingInABathTub (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- You're right - I'll retract my contribution in favour of the redirect's fate being decided at the target's AfD. SailingInABathTub (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Name of a team in the league, will be deleted per G8 if the target is deleted at AfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:52, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 10:20, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible search term. GiantSnowman 10:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep per –LaundryPizza03; as a {{R from misspelling}} for the "United" form. clearly if people only remember the memorable part and forget the "U" part, searching this way is plausible. Considering the low profileness of the team, this is a possibility. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
United States Olympic national soccer team
- United States Olympic national soccer team → United States men's national under-23 soccer team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Olympic soccer teams, despite nominally U-23, may have up to three players who are over the age of 23. Consequently, Olympics squads are not really analogs of the U-23 squad, even though the U-23s make up the majority of the team. A redirect is then misleading. Iseult Δx parlez moi 04:02, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. S.A. Julio (talk) 04:32, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to United States women's national soccer team. "United States Olympic national soccer team" could refer to the men's team (which is a modified U-23), but it most likely refers to the WOMEN'S NATIONAL TEAM, which in the United States tends to get quite a bit more coverage than the men during the Olympics. There's also not quite a real article on the U.S. men's Olympic soccer teams, so I don't see a need to dabify at the moment. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 05:28, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support moving the U-23 article for the men's under-23 team to the Olympic team for the aforementioned reasons by Iseult. Rylesbourne (talk) 05:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think Iseult is proposing that we make a page move, given that United States Olympic national soccer team is currently a redirect. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 05:48, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- My apologies. I would support moving the United States U-23 soccer team to the Olympic team article, because the women's senior team represents the USWNT in the Olympics. Rylesbourne (talk) 04:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think Iseult is proposing that we make a page move, given that United States Olympic national soccer team is currently a redirect. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 05:48, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Turn the page into a disambiguation page and put links to both the men's under-23 team and women's senior team. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 10:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - makes the most sense. GiantSnowman 10:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Platty Joobs
![Keep](https://web.archive.org/web/20220707002034im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg/16px-White_check_mark_in_dark_green_rounded_square.svg.png)
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IRC networj
- IRC networj → Internet Relay Chat#Networks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible typo; networj does not exist either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep because J vs. K typos are absolutely plausible; J and K are adjacent letters on the keyboard. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Implausible and uncommon. Not worth keeping. CycloneYoris talk! 22:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete while the J and K are next to each other there are multiple switches which would be just as valid if we use that logic. For example IRC networl, IRX network, and IRC betwork have one letter replaced with another right next to it and there are plenty more. I believe unless networj can be shown to be a common mistake it’s not needed.--70.24.248.109 (talk) 23:36, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - A google search for "networj" (then clicking on the "Yes, REALLY networj, not network" link) comes up with a fair number of technical forum posts and resumes with this typo. Doing the same for "networl" does not, interestingly enough; every google result I see appears to be intentional. Same for "betwork". Strange as it seems, "networj" does appear to be a far more common typo than the others... or at least it's easier to find examples via google. Fieari (talk) 06:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:NPLACE
- Wikipedia:NPLACE → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Populated places (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This should probably target Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Geographic regions, areas and places since WP:PLACEOUTCOMES is not a notability policy. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Neocorelight (Talk) 02:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget seems reasonable. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 09:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. –dlthewave ☎ 12:07, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sticky
- Wikipedia:Sticky → Wikipedia:STiki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible misspelling: Similarly titled Wikipedia:STICKY is a redirect to Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people. STiki is no longer functional since March 2020. I suggest retargeting to Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people and adding a hatnote at the top of Wikipedia:STiki linking to that page. FAdesdae378 (talk · contribs) 20:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Question - Why is WP:STICKY a redirect for Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people? This one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Fieari (talk) 06:27, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- If a hatnote still leads to Wikipedia:STiki, that would be fine, I guess. I just remember it being tedious to find when I forgot the spelling. Benjamin (talk) 01:37, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Complex algebra
- Complex algebra → Field of sets (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Confusing: Probalbly, most people searching this phrase would search algebra over the complex numbers. D.Lazard (talk) 19:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nominator. Also, I think readers are also looking for complex numbers that explain more basic topics, so I suggest adding a hat note. --SilverMatsu (talk) 00:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Expand into its own article if possible. The complex numbers are extremely widespread and important in mathematics, and the article can describe the principles of field algebra as applied to the complex numbers specifically. ChromaNebula (talk) 04:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
List of Bangladeshi film of 2022
- List of Bangladeshi film of 2022 → List of Bangladeshi films of 2022 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect left over from page move. No reason to search for the grammatically incorrect singular "list of film" instead of "list of films". ComplexRational (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
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93 FM
There are a lot of 93.0 FMs, so I don't see the point of linking specifically to this station. Iseult Δx parlez moi 09:27, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Create 93.0 FM as a WP:SETINDEX and retarget there. (If no one else does, I'll start a draft in the next couple of days.) Compare e.g. 95 FM and 97 FM. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment drafted at Draft:93.0 FM -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 05:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. If necessary re-create in future to 93.0 FM. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Setindexify (drafted below the RfD) stations that identify as 93 on the FM dial are frequently not located at "93.0MHz" since "93" is a marketing exercise -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Setindexify at 93.0 FM and retarget this redirect there as {{R from less specific name}}. Draft:93.0 FM seems more extensive than the draft underneath the redirect, but reconcile the two versions. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Joey's
- Joey's → Joey Gosiengfiao (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a redirect from move of an article, Joey Gosiengfiao, from an obviously malformed title. It was previously a redirect to 26th Milestone, Isle of Man before the article was created, and it only lasted as an article at this title for two days. IMO this should be redirected to Joey as ambiguous or straight up deleted. eviolite (talk) 00:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Joey's Seafood Restaurants since this restaurant chain was previously known as "Joey's Only", and some readers searching for these restaurants may find this redirect helpful. CycloneYoris talk! 02:45, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget back to 26th Milestone, Isle of Man (aka Joey's) unless there are other articles which could be referred to by this title. Joey's Seafood Restaurants or Joey's Only is only a partial title match. Jay (talk) 02:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate due to all the debate and confusion presented both in the redirect's editing history and this very RFD. There is no primary topic for this term, it seems. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree, and was about to propose disambiguating as well. CycloneYoris talk! 22:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Sarah Forbes (cricketer)
- Sarah Forbes (cricketer) → South Africa women's cricket team in Ireland in 2022 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect was improperly re-created immediately after the close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Forbes (cricketer) (2nd nomination). Consensus in that discussion was to delete, not redirect, with several editors specifically opposing a redirect. –dlthewave ☎ 17:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:CHEAP and WP:R#KEEP. "with several editors specifically opposing a redirect" For several read two, with the same number supporting a redirect. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:08, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Players like this which (rightly or wrongly) go through the deletion process should, surely, be listified somehow in the first place. I've always said that in theory all lists would exist anyway, for [X] players - if this includes [X] [format] players then that's all well and good, it's just more lists to compile. No problem there - first class player by team lists exist all over the place. Bobo. 00:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Think this is a perfectly acceptable redirect at the moment for a player who passes a sports specific guideline, but currently fails WP:GNG. All her international appearances (which is what would have passed her for WP:NCRIC) were in this series and so redirecting there is the thing to do. If the player plays further internationally, the redirect can be changed or deleted, or an article created in it's space if there's GNG passing sources, which will be more likely the more she plays. I'm disappointed that the redirect was ignored in the AfD. It should have perhaps been discussed better by an admin/closer before closing as there was some differences in preferred redirect. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:08, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: For all the policy-based reasons that Lugnuts mentioned. A couple of editors opposing a redirect does not mean that we should ignore all sitewide guidelines/policies on acceptable redirects, which clearly permit this redirect. This RFD seems very WP:POINTy to me... Joseph2302 (talk) 09:39, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Suggest we rename dlthewave to pointywave. StickyWicket (talk) 22:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. One editor opposed redirection at the AfD, but on grounds that, in my reading, do not apply. Another editor questioned it but I'm not sure they actually opposed it per se. I'm not sure that any of the opposition was on policy grounds - whereas WP:ATD, the grounds on which the redirect was proposed, is policy, rather than a guideline. I considered DRV on this basis, but decided it wasn't worth the inevitable hassle. Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Ivan Pavlovsky (gymnast)
- Ivan Pavlovsky (gymnast) → List of men's artistic gymnasts#B (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect was inappropriately created immediately after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Pavlovsky was closed as Delete. –dlthewave ☎ 16:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:CHEAP and WP:R#KEEP. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep For all the policy-based reasons that Lugnuts mentioned. A couple of editors opposing a redirect does not mean that we should ignore all sitewide guidelines/policies on acceptable redirects, which clearly permit this redirect. This RFD seems very WP:POINTy to me... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:25, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Few if any of the "policy-based reasons that Lugnuts mentioned" actually apply. ATD says "A page can be blanked and redirected if there is a suitable page to redirect to" which doesn't apply here since the article was deleted already at AFD, and it is debatable (certainly not taken as a given) that this is a suitable target. PRESERVE only mentions redirects in the context of performing a merge which is not the case here. CHEAP has no relevance here as far as I can see. I also don't see which of the 6 reasons for not deleting apply here. While there is a small amount of information about this person at the current target, in order to see it you have to either waste time clicking on all of the countries under B (assuming you even realised you were taken to that section in particular) or would have had to know that the person was from Belarus. Even ctrl+F wouldn't help a searcher to find anything here. A7V2 (talk) 02:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- N.B.: I initially closed this as a speedy keep, as the nominator failed to advance any "intelligible grounds for content deletion" as required by WP:SKCRIT#1. However, in the time that I was drafting that, A7V2 wrote the above, which does satisfy that requirement. The close went through due to a shadow edit conflict, but I have self-reverted. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Can you repost your reason to not speedy keep Sarah Forbes? It was swallowed by your revert. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- My reasoning was that while an RfD with a purely procedural rationale ("People already !voted against this") is suboptimal, it's still intelligible grounds for deletion. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 03:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Can you repost your reason to not speedy keep Sarah Forbes? It was swallowed by your revert. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- N.B.: I initially closed this as a speedy keep, as the nominator failed to advance any "intelligible grounds for content deletion" as required by WP:SKCRIT#1. However, in the time that I was drafting that, A7V2 wrote the above, which does satisfy that requirement. The close went through due to a shadow edit conflict, but I have self-reverted. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Agaricus urinascens
- Agaricus urinascens → Agaricus macrosporus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted, as the redirect topic is a valid species and not a synonym of the target species. Esculenta (talk) 16:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Agaricus, where the species is mentioned. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Either delete under REDYES or retarget as a {{R from species to genus}}. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:05, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. Redirecting to genus doesn't seem to make sense, considering the outcome of a similar species to genus redirect RfD discussion last month: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 4#Parmotrema tinctorum. The name is "mentioned" in the genus article in that it is merely listed as one of many species in the genus, but, annoyingly, it is blue-linked, which deceives the reader. A redlink will prevent the reader from circularly redirecting back to the genus page for more non-information, and will encourage the creation of a proper article for the species. Esculenta (talk) 01:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. If there isn't an article for this species it should be a redlink. Tagging with {{R from species to genus}} and also {{R taxon with possibilities}} is better than nothing, but since this has been brought to RfD I think the best outcome is deletion (and then whoever actually creates an article gets credited for its creation). Plantdrew (talk) 02:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Ha-young
- Ha-young → Shin Ha-young (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are a lot of Hayoungs/Ha-youngs/Ha youngs. No clear justification for a special redirect to this actress. Iseult Δx parlez moi 15:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate by creating a given name article. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- {{surname}}-ify Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:04, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- In this case, it's a {{given name}}-ify. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment English Wikipedia only has two articles about people by this name (Shin Ha-young and Oh Ha-young). Hayoung redirects to Oh Ha-young. There is also Song Ha-young (a redirect to Fromis 9), but WP:APO has a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS that name set indices should not include WP:DABMENTIONed topics. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 09:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
🫤
- 🫤 → Frustration (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Described here, "Face With Diagonal Mouth", ambiguous facial expression. Delete, retarget to Emoji, or to its unicode block. signed, Rosguill talk 18:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm going to go literal with this one and say retarget to Diagonal. -- Tavix (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the emoji redirect. A better target might be appropriate, if one is proposed, please ping me. Oppose redirecting to Diagonal as I doubt anyone using this emoji is meaning that. Gonnym (talk) 14:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Emoji or delete, per nom. Veverve (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Symbols and Pictographs Extended-A, instead of the main emoji article; a description can be added. https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20219-face-with-diagonal-mouth-emoji.pdf explains. List of emoticons would be an alternative, as it is already described there although grouped with others and not individually. 82.132.184.38 (talk) 22:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget; there's no ideal target but Symbols and Pictographs Extended-A is better than nothing. One of the main purposes of redirects from Unicode characters is so that people can use Wikipedia to find out what a particular character they can't render is (by copying and pasting it into the search box), so this should ideally be a section or anchor redirect to a relevant list entry, but we don't have one. (Sadly, List of emoticons isn't a sensible target because this is an emoji, not an emoticon; if an article about A defines it as being a sort of B, you don't redirect to that article to define a B.) Redirecting to the Unicode block at least lets people realise "oh, this must be an emoji I can't render", but trying to use the redirect to make a statement about the meaning of the emoji would be something that requires sourcing. --ais523 04:52, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
🫥
- 🫥 → Invisibility (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Described here, "Dotted Line Face", ambiguous emoji that should be deleted, retargeted to Emoji, or pointed at its unicode block. signed, Rosguill talk 18:31, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep as perhaps the primary topic. I considered being literal with this one, but Dotted line isn't very helpful. I thought the Emojipedia entry had a cool fact:
An established comic book trope, dotted lines around a character can represent someone that is invisible or hidden.
There doesn't seem to be a good landing spot for hidden or hide so that leaves invisibility. -- Tavix (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the emoji redirect but target to a better target. This isn't an invisibility emoji and as can be seen here not all versions of this emoji is white. Gonnym (talk) 14:10, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Emoji, or delete, per nom. I do not see what this emoticon is supposed to mean. Veverve (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Symbols and Pictographs Extended-A, a description can be added there– https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2020/20223-dotted-line-face.pdf is already in the references. 82.132.184.38 (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget; there's no ideal target but Symbols and Pictographs Extended-A is better than nothing. My reasoning is basically the same as on the RfD of 🫤, and repeated for convenience:
One of the main purposes of redirects from Unicode characters is so that people can use Wikipedia to find out what a particular character they can't render is (by copying and pasting it into the search box), so this should ideally be a section or anchor redirect to a relevant list entry, but we don't have one. Redirecting to the Unicode block at least lets people realise "oh, this must be an emoji I can't render", but trying to use the redirect to make a statement about the meaning of the emoji would be something that requires sourcing. --ais523 04:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Amin Hafeez
- Amin Hafeez → Geo News (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, likely independently notable (see: [17]), delete to encourage article creation. signed, Rosguill talk 19:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Amin al-Hafiz where Amin Hafez and Amin Hafiz also redirect. Jay (talk) 03:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well "hafeez" and "Hafiz" are two different surnames. And this case redirect under discussion is intended for this Amin Hafeez [18] [19] [20], who used to work for the Geo News. I don't see anywhere Amin al-Hafiz being called Amin Hafeez, so it'll be not very appropriate to retarget this Amin Hafeez to Amin al-Hafiz. Thanks AHatd (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete to encourage article creation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per Jay as a plausible misspelling (I doubt most English readers will be attuned to differences in vowel length in Arabic). Of course, editors should be free to expand into an article about the other person (though please don't forget to add a hatnote). – Uanfala (talk) 22:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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Hodge manifold
- Hodge manifold → Kodaira embedding theorem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hodge manifolds → Kodaira embedding theorem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hodge variety → Kodaira embedding theorem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hodge metric → Kodaira embedding theorem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I suggest retarget to Kähler manifold or Hodge theory. Because I think a Kähler manifold M is called a Hodge manifold (variety) if its Kähler metric is a Hodge metric. SilverMatsu (talk) 04:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Neither of the suggested targets mention "Hodge manifold", "Hodge variety", or "Hodge metric"; if the redirect target is changed, that article should also have the appropriate definitions inserted explicitly. XOR'easter (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Addiction in Mobile
- Addiction in Mobile → Problematic smartphone use (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Questionable redirect in general. It's a bit of a leap for me. Iseult Δx parlez moi 03:48, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Iseult thanks for that. But this is to inform you that Problematic smartphone use is known as addition in mobile in Bangla.The name addition in mobile is common in Bangla. that's why when I translate the Problematic smartphone use page in Bangla I use the name addition in mobile . You can see the page here if you transilate the Bangla base page name , you may realize the fact.--Abdullah☆ (Talk) 08:04, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @MdaNoman: 'addiction in mobile' is not a phrase that makes sense in English. As for the translation, my machine translation gives 'mobile phone addiction' or 'addiction to mobile phones', etc. Iseult Δx parlez moi 14:57, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think you should be lecturing a native Bengali speaker about Bengali nuances based on your machine translations; it might come off as insensitive. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's my bad. I meant that in reference to
"if you transilate the Bangla base page name , you may realize the fact"
, which I did, and failed to get the same results. Iseult Δx parlez moi 15:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's my bad. I meant that in reference to
- I don't think you should be lecturing a native Bengali speaker about Bengali nuances based on your machine translations; it might come off as insensitive. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- @MdaNoman: 'addiction in mobile' is not a phrase that makes sense in English. As for the translation, my machine translation gives 'mobile phone addiction' or 'addiction to mobile phones', etc. Iseult Δx parlez moi 14:57, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Iseult: Though you know that very welly, I am telling again that '"in" is an appropriate preposition after the word "addiction". And according to my knowledge "mobile", "cell phone" and " smartphone" are so much similar. And @Mellohi!: Actually I am not telling about machine translation at all. And @IAmChaos: would you mind saying the reason of commenting the word "implausible " ? In fact, I am thinking that the the current page name is suitable. However, I am respectful in all of yours opinion . If you all are that the name is not suitable at all kindly move the page to Cell Phone Addiction without redirection as I don't have enough right to do the work. Thanking you all. --Abdullah☆ (Talk) 15:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I understand that you mean this in regarding addiction in mobile phone use, but to simply have it as 'addiction in mobile' is not a correct use of the preposition 'in' in English. Maybe we're missing something in Bengali? Iseult Δx parlez moi 15:13, 2 July 2022 to (UTC)
- @MdaNoman The reason I used the word implausible is because the title makes no grammatical sense, and is not likely something that a user would type in when searching for mobile phone addiction. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 23:13, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Iseult: Though you know that very welly, I am telling again that '"in" is an appropriate preposition after the word "addiction". And according to my knowledge "mobile", "cell phone" and " smartphone" are so much similar. And @Mellohi!: Actually I am not telling about machine translation at all. And @IAmChaos: would you mind saying the reason of commenting the word "implausible " ? In fact, I am thinking that the the current page name is suitable. However, I am respectful in all of yours opinion . If you all are that the name is not suitable at all kindly move the page to Cell Phone Addiction without redirection as I don't have enough right to do the work. Thanking you all. --Abdullah☆ (Talk) 15:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete this recently created redirect. Confusing redirect that does not mean something that might refer to the current target, and has improper capitalization of "Mobile". Taken literally, it might be thought to refer to addiction (e.g. drug addiction) in a place called Mobile, such as Mobile, Alabama, for which we have no content. The 'correct' form of this redirect Addiction to mobile would still be a vague, poor redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Kafka trap
- Kafka trap → List of fallacies#Kafka-trapping (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Topic no longer at target page — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Adding that this Redirect !vote is contingent on whether or not the entry is removed from the article. It seems that is in debate right now... I don't really want to join the debate, but if the result is that the entry is removed from the list, redirect to wiktionary. If the result is kept, keep the redirect as is. Fieari (talk) 05:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I now see that what broke the redirect was MartinPoulter's removal of the topic from the List of fallacies. I've reverted his removal, and added further refs, so, if he still disagrees with it, hopefully we'll thrash it out on the talk page. — Guarapiranga ☎ 05:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
June 30
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Aroostook County Jane Doe
- Aroostook County Jane Doe → List of unidentified murder victims in the United States#Aroostook County Jane Doe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Thanks to overzealous trimming of the target page, this now leads nowhere. This case is recently back in the news, so maybe a proper article is in order. Or at least an entry at the target. Sumanuil. 19:41, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Content was removed from the target article due to the core policy of WP:No original research. Not convinced that this is a notable topic warranting inclusion in that list or in its own article. As such, there is no need for a redirect. Routine news coverage does not make a topic encyclopedic per WP:NOTNEWS. We need evidence from secondary and tertiary sources other than the media to prove notability. Further Aroostook County has multiple Jane Does in their cold case files stretching back decades, so the naming of this topic is problematic. 4meter4 (talk) 20:27, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- You're the one who removed the target section. Does anyone not involved in this mess have an opinion? Also, if anything in "the media" doesn't count as a secondary source, then 99% of Wikipedia is OR. And WP:NOTNEWS does not invalidate the use of news outlets as sources. Sumanuil. 20:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sumanuil This is not the place to have this discussion as it is only tangentially related to dealing with this redirect. I am happy to discuss the issues with you on the relevant talk page, but please do not de-rail this nomination with side issues. The use of news sources on Wikipedia is permissible, but should be done with following the policies at WP:Verifiability, WP:NOT, WP:OR, and WP:SUSTAINED. In this instance, the topic lacked multiple independent secondary sources as required by those policies, and the use of those sources (some primary sources in addition to one secondary reference) was pieced together in a way that violated the no original research policy on wikipedia (i.e. original synthesis). If you wish to discuss this further, please do so at Talk:List of unidentified murder victims in the United States. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 22:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- You're the one who removed the target section. Does anyone not involved in this mess have an opinion? Also, if anything in "the media" doesn't count as a secondary source, then 99% of Wikipedia is OR. And WP:NOTNEWS does not invalidate the use of news outlets as sources. Sumanuil. 20:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Ok then. Not right now, though. Maybe later. Anyone else want to weigh in on this? Sumanuil. 07:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete If it's not at the target then there is no reason for the redirect to exist. If this jane doe stuff gets added back to the target then we can bring back this redirect. (JayPlaysStuff | talk to me | What I've been up to) 01:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of murdered American children#1980s. 12,000 pageviews in the last 7 years. No reason to delete if we can provide some information for the reader to go forward. Jay (talk) 02:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to List of murdered American children#1980s for now, and delink there. I don't generally like redirecting to lists that are clearly developed as being limited to entries with blue links, but it does lead anyone searching this term to the page on enwiki with the most pertinent content. The current target isn't really appropriate anymore because the victim is no longer truly "unidentified" as the mother of the newborn was recently identified. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
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AccessIRC
- AccessIRC → Internet Relay Chat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:48, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Routesplit
- Template:Routesplit → Template:BSsplit (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete as unused; appears to be an abandoned experiment. Useddenim (talk) 13:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:UNC
- Wikipedia:UNC → Wikipedia:Username policy#Changing your username (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I thnk r to Wikipedia:Changing username iz better. Q28 (talk) 11:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Absatz-L
- Template:Absatz-L → Template:Clear left (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This seems to be a German redirect. We don't need the impact of other languages. Q28 (talk) 11:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: It's only transcluded on one article, Hochwildstelle, which it seems to have been translated from German on 17 February 2016, and then this template was created on that same day. It seems like this should be deleted and be replaced in its one transclusion by {{clear left}}, policy wise: delete per WP:RLOTE. TartarTorte 16:03, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. Agree with TartarTorte's logic, but for future reference the nom's sweeping rationale for deletion "we don't want the impact of other languages" is inappropriate, doesn't chime with Wiki policy such as WP:RLOTE and is potentially offensive. Other languages have a firm place in English Wikipedia, but their use should be appropriate and that has been long recognised. Bermicourt (talk) 19:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:NAMECHANGE
- Wikipedia:NAMECHANGE → Wikipedia:Changing username (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think this should be retargeted to Wikipedia:Article titles#Name changes, as with WP:NAMECHANGES. I briefly looked at a lot of the incoming links, and most of them seemed to be typos for the NAMECHANGES redirect. No clear reason why one would be the primary topic or intended retargeting for "name change", and another for "name changes". QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:27, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom, looks like a more suitable target. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
The Plug Entertainment
- The Plug Entertainment → Davido Music Worldwide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Found this page with an invalid tag for speedy deletion per G7. Not mentioned at the target; it was there but removed from the page due to being false and unsourced. Mori Calliope fan talk 05:36, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Haw.
- Haw. → Adrian Hardy Haworth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The current redirect target is a scientist of at best middling notability. However, "Haw." in political and legal contexts overwhelmingly refers to the highly notable U.S. state of Hawaii - see, e.g., the voluminous Google Books results for "Haw." and court, or of "Haw." and law. I would retarget to Haw. BD2412 T 01:44, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Haw per the above. "Haw." is far to vague to have one clear primary topic; the disambiguation page is the logical retarget here. —QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:29, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Haw, disambiguation looks like the best option here. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:57, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hawaii. I won't strenuously object to redirecting to the disambiguation page, but the nominator's own argument shows that when you have a single period after Haw, it overwhelmingly means Hawaii specifically, and people who search wikipedia for "Haw." with the period are likely confused as to what this specific abbreviation means. As such, it should go to what that abbreviation means, directly. Fieari (talk) 01:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, restoring the page to this rev. With the period at the end it is clearly an initialism; for someone trying to find out what it means this would be more helpful than having to trawl through the whole of Haw, where the correct answers are somewhat buried. If retarget, then go to Haw, not Hawaii. Hawaii is not the only valid possibility, even if it is more voluminous — current usage is overwhelmingly in the botanical context, even if not numerous. —2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 02:28, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per the IP. It's not helpful to force botanists or legal researchers to wander through the whole Haw dab page to look for Haworth or Hawaii. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
El Fantasma (wrestler)
- El Fantasma (wrestler) → Santos Escobar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- El Fantasma (luchador) → Santos Escobar (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Deletion. Not the subject. El Fantasma is another wrestler, the father of Santos Escobar. El Fantasma is notable for his own article.. Also nominating El Fantasma (wrestler) HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I've added "El Fantasma (wrestler)" which wasn't nominated initially by the nom. CycloneYoris talk! 08:45, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Split into new article. Hansen SebastianTalk 08:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete to encourage article creation --Lenticel (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Split if El Fantasma is notable. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- About the Split, the article only mentions El Fantasma once (His father was a professional wrestler, known as the enmascarado "El Fantasma"). I would prefer the deletion to encourage the article creation, as Lentice said. Sadly, Mexican lucha libre is not my field. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:43, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Don't split
Keep until article is made- If El Fantasma is notable enough for his own article, then I'm pretty sure the RfD process in not necessary-- just replace the redirect with a new article. But at the moment there doesn't seem to be enough in the Santos Escobar article to support simply splitting it, and no one has proposed a draft for a new article. Again, if you write a new article, and it is supported with reliable sources establishing notability, I think the normal WP:BRD process is fine for just replacing the redirect with your new article. Until then, I see nothing wrong with leaving the status quo... there is a mention, however brief, in the target article, and that's enough for now. On the other hand, I see the argument for deleting the redirect to encourage someone to try writing the article... I have no real preference here. Changing my !vote to merely voicing my objection to splitting as is... either deletion or keeping makes sense to me. Fieari (talk) 04:44, 30 June 2022 (UTC) - Split and draftify ...is that an option? There's not enough material for a standalone article right now, but having a draft in place seems like it could be a good way to signal that the subject has potential and attract people to work on expanding it, whereas deletion might just cause it to be forgotten. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 02:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Strumigenys longamaxilla
- Strumigenys longamaxilla → Strumigenys ayersthey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect was created as a result of cleanup of page move vandalism at the target page by User:Longamaxilla back in January this year. This user has since been indefinitely blocked as a Vandalism-only account. (The redirect's given page creator, Daniel Mietchen, was actually one of the ones reverting the vandalism) In any case, the name "Strumigenys longamaxilla" has never been used for a species in a scientific publication, and the fact the target page was involved in the first place especially suggests it was an attempt at "correcting" a name honoring an LGBT activist (or the user could be a troll, doesn't make much difference anyway). Therefore I strongly suggest to delete the redirect as there is no value in keeping it for these reasons.
Relevant talk pages for context, if it helps:
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects/Archive 4#Vandalism via pseudo-nomenclatural change
- User talk:Daniel Mietchen/Archive 49#Strumigenys_ayersthey
- Talk:Strumigenys ayersthey
(I actually originally nominated this redirect for speedy deletion under WP:G3, but I guess I incorrectly assumed others could figure out the context from the edit history and linked pages... oh well) Monster Iestyn (talk) 01:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - unambiguously a made-up name introduced with intent to be disruptive. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per reasons given by nom. Wikipedia is not for things made up on one day just to spite non-binary individuals... —QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Spotted Caribbean stingray
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Robert B. Cheney
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Optics letters.
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Bhagavath Singh
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Samuel-034
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Dumbest Member of Congress
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Template:Euphoria
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Grounded videos
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Internet Explorer 12
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Benjamin Daniel
- Benjamin Daniel → Channel Awesome#Blistered Thumbs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Benzaie → Channel Awesome#Blistered Thumbs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Neither is mentioned in the target, nor seems worth mentioning. Suggest deletion of Benjamin Daniel to free up the name for the sailor. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:27, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both per nom, move Benjamin Daniel (sailor) to Benjamin Daniel by default. It appears Benjamin Daniel has not been mentioned at the target or elsewhere on enwike for quite some time, and a google search brings up many non-notable people with this name. Benzaie appears to be his Twitter handle. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:38, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
June 27
Uncle Clarence
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All of Creation
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Draft:Joint Opposition
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Natalie Mariduena
- Natalie Mariduena → David Dobrik (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
David Dobrik is a separate person who, although being associated with Mariduena, is not Mariduena. If a Vlog Squad page existed this would make sense, but such page does not exist. Gtag10 (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unhelpful and misleading. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 11:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to David Dobrik#The Vlog Squad as it is the best place for the Vlog squad in the absence of a separate article on the squad. Jay (talk) 08:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Refine to David Dobrik#The Vlog Squad, as Mariduena is mentioned there. signed, Rosguill talk 18:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Rob Derbyshire
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The 60-day child-emperor
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Wikipedia:EDITS
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Friedrich Linde
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Walter Engelmann
- Walter Engelmann → Germany at the 1912 Summer Olympics#Gymnastics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Fails WP:R#DELETE #1. It makes readers it unreasonably difficult for readers who are seeking the character by the same name in Frau Margot to find that article. BilledMammal (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: Seems like the best way to resolve this where they are both redirects is to create a WP:DAB page. Hatnotes could work as an alternative, but we'd need a WP:PT. TartarTorte 13:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:R#KEEP #1, as well as WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE and WP:CHEAP. User has previously recommended a redirect on articles after they added a prod ("I do not mind if you remove the prod and redirect the article"), so I'm unsure why they feel so strongy that they MUST delete the page instead. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 15:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- In the same post, I also say that if I disagree with a redirect, we can then discuss that at RFD or an RM. BilledMammal (talk) 00:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I fail to see why this remark is not WP:OTHERSTUFF. NotReallySoroka (talk) 22:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Move to Walter Otto Engelmann without redirect. Recreate Walter Engelmann as redirect to Frau Margot and hatnote the gymnast. Jay (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why would we do that; has he ever competed under his full name? WP:MIDDLENAME states that
Adding given names...merely for disambiguation purposes (if that format of the name is not commonly used to refer to the person) is not advised.
-- Tavix (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why would we do that; has he ever competed under his full name? WP:MIDDLENAME states that
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- Disambiguate. Draft provided. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment per WP:NOTDIRECTORY, disambiguation is not suitable here:
Disambiguation pages (such as John Smith) are not intended to be complete listings of every person named John Smith—just the notable ones.
BilledMammal (talk) 02:23, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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- The disambiguation page is not a complete listing of every person named Walter Engelmann, but a list of articles in which a Walter Engelmann is mentioned. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION and SNSL. I gave a more thorough explanation on the intersection of DABMENTION and NOTDIRECTORY here. -- Tavix (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Johannes Buder
- Johannes Buder → Germany at the 1912 Summer Olympics#Gymnastics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:R#DELETE #1. Another Johannes Buder is mentioned at University of Wrocław Botanical Garden. They appear to be different people; the Olympian studied philology, while the other Johannes led the Botanical Garden.
WP:REDLINK may also apply, as it is possible that the other Johannes is notable. BilledMammal (talk) 13:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:R#KEEP #1, as well as WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE and WP:CHEAP. User has previously recommended a redirect on articles after they added a prod ("I do not mind if you remove the prod and redirect the article"), so I'm unsure why they feel so strongy that they MUST delete the page instead. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 15:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- In the same post, I also say that if I disagree with a redirect, we can then discuss that at RFD or an RM. BilledMammal (talk) 00:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed they two Johannes Buders are different people. The more notable one is de:Johannes Buder, so the ideal outcome would be an article about the botanist with a hatnote for the gymnast. I suggest to move the history under this redirect to Johannes Buder (gymnast) when the article about the botanist is created (which I could do in a few days if there is interest). —Kusma (talk) 07:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Or move to Johannes Erwin Buder. Jay (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate. Draft provided. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment per WP:NOTDIRECTORY, disambiguation is not suitable here:
Disambiguation pages (such as John Smith) are not intended to be complete listings of every person named John Smith—just the notable ones.
BilledMammal (talk) 02:23, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION and SNSL. I gave a more thorough explanation on the intersection of DABMENTION and NOTDIRECTORY here. -- Tavix (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Bear children
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Oshkosh International Folk Festival
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Fools' Day
- Fools' Day → April Fools' Day (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Fools Day → April Fools' Day (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Foolsday → April Fools' Day (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Fool's Day, or delete altogether: Whereas it only takes moving the apostrophe to go from "Fools' Day" to the song, the April Fools' Day page does not state that the day is simply known as "Fools' Day". Also, the redirect is unlinked to. Thank you. NotReallySoroka (talk) 07:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget all to Fool's Day (disambiguation) but do not retarget to the song. Not sure how retargeting to an obscure song (that likely the vast majority of readers haven't even heard of) would be considered helpful. CycloneYoris talk! 07:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Leaning towards retarget to the DAB page Fool's Day (disambiguation) since these seem like reasonable search terms for April Fools Day but also reasonable slight mis-spellings of the songs. If kept I think a hatnote should be added from April Fools' Day to Fool's Day (disambiguation). A7V2 (talk) 10:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Fool's Day. I don't think an apostrophe should make the difference in this case, especially since the article is about a song (typically listened to, so readers searching for it may not be sure what the punctuation should be). In response to CycloneYoris's point, if the song is too obscure to be the primary topic, then it should be moved to Fool's Day (Blur song); in that case, all of these redirects and Fool's Day can target either the disambiguation page or April Fools' Day. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. April Fools' Day (April Fool's Day) of course can be simply called "Fools' Day" or its variants. It's so apparent that it does not need to be stated in article April Fools' Day. A proof is that even Fool's Day (Blur's 2010 song), which the nominator proposes retargeting these redirect pages to, is actually talking about April Fools' Day (see its lyrics: "...On the first day of April..."). --Neo-Jay (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wouldn't the Day be more often called "April Fools" instead of "Fools Day"? NotReallySoroka (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Even though the Day is more often called "April Fools" than "Fools Day", it does not mean that "Fools' Day" and its variants should not be redirect pages to April Fools' Day. They are still the Day's alternative names.--Neo-Jay (talk) 23:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget all to Fool's Day (disambiguation). To varying degrees, these can all be misspellings of the song titles or a nickname of the day, so probably best to send users to the disambiguation page. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Would it be a malplaced dab if we were to have Fools' Day -> Fool's Day (disambiguation), notwithstanding the small detail of the apostrophe? In this case, should we consider moving Fool's Day (disambiguation) to Fools' Day? NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think it would be malplaced (since Fool's Day currently has a primary topic), but it's an open question what title a dab page should have when multiple ambiguous terms are disambiguated there (combined dab page) per WP:DABNAME. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, and move Fool's Day to Fool's Day (song). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep and I also support moving Fool's Day to Fool's Day (song). The song is a clear reference to the day. The day clearly can be (and is) called "Fool's Day" sometimes, regardless of whether this is expressly mentioned in the article... [21] This google nGram shows that "Fool's day" is used at the start of a sentence without saying "April", but searching for "fool's day -april" [22] returns 0 results, showing that these references to a "Fool's day" are in fact referring to the one in April. Despite the existence of the disambiguation page, this is an unambiguous redirect with a primary topic. If they were actually looking for the song, they can easily find the disambiguation page once they reach the page for the day. Fieari (talk) 04:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Anti-Colonialism
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Java Edition
Triple threat (entertainer)
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Template:School
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Inactive delsorts
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Nazeem (Skyrim)
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Untitled The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sequel
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Wikipedia:0104
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Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog video game
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Wikipedia:Geouf
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University of Oregon School of Journalism and Communication
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WikiProject Chemistry
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German Wine Fund
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La Bagarre
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Georgia State Route 243
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Army of Holland (France)
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Royal Antigua and Barbuda Defence Force
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R.O.S.E
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David's
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Highly highly ambiguous as the possesive form of a very common name. I don't think a chain of 25 supermarkets in Texas is what most people would be expecting to find if they searched for this. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 21:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, which is the recommended solution when something is "highly highly ambiguous". The supermarket and David's Bridal are the only ones I can find that popularly go by "David's", but a see also to David (disambiguation) and St. David's should cover the common "possessive of David" use. -- Tavix (talk) 00:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify per Tavix. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget over to 'David (disambiguation)' or perhaps do something else, but otherwise don't delete this. It's useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget over to 'David (disambiguation)' per reason above. It is reasonable that someone might be searching for the supermarket chain but also possible they'll be searching for something else. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 20:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to David (disambiguation) as the possessive of the word "David". NotReallySoroka (talk) 21:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep If someone is searching for David's and not David, they are unlikely to be looking for the name so the disambiguation page is not helpful. Mark's is an article and similar redirects such as John's don't exist; Matthew's is automatically redirected to Matthew S when using the search button. This company is usually known as David's and the only reason it is not the article title is that the company has other brands, whereas the other is not usually referred to just as David's in sources. There can be a link to the disambiguation page.82.132.186.43 (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to David (disambiguation) Supermarket chain is now defunct with a small service area, and there are other businesses called "David's" in the world. Nate • (chatter) 23:07, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to David (disambiguation) per above --Lenticel (talk) 03:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Tavix. If retargeted to the existing dab page at David (disambiguation), the entries Tavix mentions and the current target must be added there (making it a combined dab page). David's (disambiguation) should be created as a redirect as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdewman6 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Noble Consort Mei
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Private Jenkins
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Shep Unplugged
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Unreasonable force
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Quran.com
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Sze Kai-Kit
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Draft:Yasmeen Fletcher
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List of Bangladeshi film of 2022
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Street Design of Santa Margherita
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Border of Santa Margherita Ligure
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93 FM
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2027 French presidential election
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My computer can't even render this one, but based on the other alchemical redirects created by this editor (see below), I imagine that it is likely an alchemical sign. Delete unless evidence can be found that this sign unambiguously refers to melting. signed, Rosguill talk 18:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rosguill According to a google search this emoji is a "melting face". 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction, I see it here as well. I guess it's relatively unambiguous, but it still doesn't seem particularly useful to readers and would lean towards deletion, redirecting to Emoji, or redirecting to a unicode block. signed, Rosguill talk 18:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I would agree that deletion is probably the best outcome per WP:REMOJI. "someone's face melting" is not an actual encyclopaedic topic and it's rather ambiguous, the current target isn't really a good fit, I imagine most people would use it to refer to warm weather, hyperthermia or something similar. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 18:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction, I see it here as well. I guess it's relatively unambiguous, but it still doesn't seem particularly useful to readers and would lean towards deletion, redirecting to Emoji, or redirecting to a unicode block. signed, Rosguill talk 18:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This looks like a good fit. -- Tavix (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Don't keep. How does a "melting face" emoji relate to the physical process of melting? Faces are not literally undergoing a change in state from solid to liquid. Seems like an inappropriate target to me. Delete or retarget. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- The emoji is showing a representation of a face undergoing a change in state from solid to liquid as if it were an ice cube. I mean, there's a puddle around the partially-melted face... -- Tavix (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- And someone would be seeking the content at Melting by using this emoji? It's only mainspace links are from articles about Emojis. Based on the external links, it is being used figuratively, to suggest someone is hot, or some other feeling, not the literal physical process. In terms of actual processes, could possibly also mean Dissolution. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Taking the examples of past Rfds linked at WP:REMOJI, we keep redirects from emojis for which there is an article about the specific thing depicted by the emoji, and otherwise we tend toward deletion. We do not have an article on Face melting or Melting face or similar (nor should we be expected to). Mdewman6 (talk) 23:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- The emoji is showing a representation of a face undergoing a change in state from solid to liquid as if it were an ice cube. I mean, there's a puddle around the partially-melted face... -- Tavix (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The emoji is a melting face emoji so Melting seems like a good target. If a better one is proposed, please ping me. Regardless of target, emoji redirects should never be deleted. Worst case, redirect to Emoji or to the specific block. Gonnym (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - inherently foolish, if we start looking things up by emojiis I don't want to live on this planet any more. --Wtshymanski (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Too ambiguous to merit redirecting. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 22:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Tavix and Gonnym. I also think that Melting is a good target for this emoji, and contrary to what both editors above have stated, I don't see any problem with keeping this as long as it redirects to the current target. CycloneYoris talk! 23:13, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Symbols and Pictographs Extended-A. It's included there, and the references provide a better explanation than our article about Melting does. Peter James (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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Joey's
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Coat of arms of Harrow
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Anthonie Palamedesz.
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El Fantasma (wrestler)
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Astronomical event
- Astronomical event → Time-domain astronomy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
As with the verdict for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celestial event, this phrase is too nebulous (snark) to be of any worth. Its current redirect target has a different, more precise meaning. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The term Astronomical event could include things like moonrise, apogee, planetary conjunction. I was thinking Astronomical event could be a redirect to astronomical calendar, but that itself is a redirect. Perhaps it could redirect to Almanac or Astronomical Almanac (even that last is not generic). (And don't redirect to Nebula!) It could even refer to a Star party. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As noted by Mu301 (talk · contribs) at, Category:Astronomical events also includes events that are outside of this subfield, such as Hypernova. He recommends deleting Transient astronomical event for the same reason. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The term is vague and sources uses it in a variety of ways. There is no coherent and consistent way to define it. I would also suggest a discussion on deleting Transient astronomical event which is really being used in the sense of "Transient astrophysical phenomena" which is at least well defined.[23] --mikeu talk 19:17, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Phenomenon#Science. Praemonitus (talk) 01:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Category:Astronomical events and tag as {{Redirect to category namespace}}. Jay (talk) 07:08, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Category:Astronomical events, IMV the more helpful of the two targets proposed thus far. signed, Rosguill talk 19:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
WikiProject Alaska
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Royal Match (Video game)
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Read the standing orders! Read them and understand them!
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Ark Nova
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Aroostook County Jane Doe
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Quahog, Rhode Island
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Wikipedia:CRITERIA
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Aroostook County Jane Doe
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Create wikipage
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2019 FIBA 3x3 Europe Cup
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Dansou
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Stress relieving
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Ohrid mantle
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Youssef Zidan
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ꑭ
- ꑭ → wiktionary:ꑭ (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:SSRT and per just ... why? It's a word in a different language, just like there are millions of words. Fram (talk) 07:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Due to the ongoing Siege of Mariupol (where fighters of the Azov Battalion have been surrounded by the Russian Armed Forces), ꑭ has become a recent Twitter trend, and there's no applicable Wikipedia article for it, so I thought it'd probably be of benefit to create a soft redirect to Wiktionary in case curious readers came looking for it. That's the full extent of my rationale, essentially. --benlisquareT•C•E 07:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- For some extra info, see Ідея нації and Wolfsangel#Post World War II symbolism; people are using ꑭ to represent that symbol in text as it looks similar. It is for sure a plausible search term, though I don't know much about wiktionary redirects so I'll leave it to someone else to !vote on what the appropriate action is. Endwise (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- (ec)If you created this because people might be looking for Wolfsangel but mistakenly, somehow, use the Yi character instead, then why not change this Wiktionary redirect into a redirect to Wolfsangel? Your reasoning seem to be that people are looking for this, using this symbol as a search term (as it is a Twitter tag), and then you would deliberately send them to a Wiktionary page they have no interest in? That makes no sense or at least isn't reader-friendly. Fram (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, a redirect to Wolfsangel could potentially work as well. The Unicode Consortium doesn't consider ꑭ a wolfsangel, however; it fits within the Sichuan Yi Syllables codeblock at codepoint U+A46D. I'll leave it up to everyone else to decide where the redirect should go (or whether it should be redirected at all). I've considered amending wikt:ꑭ to add a short mention regarding the Azov usage, however ultimately opted not to because the rule of thumb provided at wikt:Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion is minimum of one year of attested usage, and ꑭ has not been used for more than a month in the Azov sense. --benlisquareT•C•E 08:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yi_script#Modern_Yi as a character in that script, with a {{distinguish}} hatnote to Wolfsangel. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment seems to me that this is a Neologism, so WP:NEO is the appropriate guideline. Clearly there are hundreds of twitter posts with the hashtag, but only 12 hits in google news (and none in English), so a redirect somewhere content-related is clearly in order. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete it seems likely that most people searching for this character on en.wiki are looking for Wolfsangel, but it appears that there hasn't been enough usage to meet wiktionary standards, so my conclusion is that we're not prepared to host a redirect of this character yet. signed, Rosguill talk 23:07, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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Mr. Beast
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The most remarkable formula in mathematics
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Terry Pearce
- Terry Pearce → List of Test cricket umpires (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous redirect. Many other non-notable people with the same name exist and are mentioned at Hampstead Scientific Society#Hampstead Observatory, 2016 World Masters Athletics Championships Men#M60 2000 metres steeplechase, Australia at the 1992 Paralympic Games for Persons with Mental Handicap#Futsal, and 2015 Bracknell Forest Borough Council election.
A disambiguation page is not suitable; the search function will be more useful and maintainable if readers are looking for one of these individuals. BilledMammal (talk) 00:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Notcharizard, Schwede66, NealeWellington, Sammyrice, Wjemather, NZFC, NiklausGerard, Rugbyfan22, No Great Shaker, Ficaia, Alvaldi, StickyWicket, and Rhododendrites: Ping AFD participants, in line with this notification. BilledMammal (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose While the AfD said that there was "no clear consensus on a redirect", WP:COMMONSENSE would support the redirect over the other people with this name, none of whom have an article either. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Can you explain why the redirect should go here, rather to other people with this name? BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose any change I think, partly because I don't really understand what's up for discussion here. The incoming links seem clean to me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Because there are many other equally valid targets. Readers searching for one of them will be astonished to end up at List of Test cricket umpires. BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts and Blue Square Thing. Terry Pearce was a Test cricket umpire so the target page is entirely appropriate. We don't have any other articles about anyone with this name (or Terence Pearce) so, as Lugnuts says, the current solution is the common sense one. I fail to see how this can be an issue. Thanks for the ping, btw. NGS Shakin' All Over 10:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support deletion, as there are several other "Terry Pearces" mentioned in different articles, and I don't think this particular Terry Pearce is any more notable than the others. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Subject was the main Terry Pearce article, there was a suitable list article to redirect to too save the article history per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't believe we can go from now having no article about the person to now not even having a redirect from them. There is other Terry Pearce out there but they didn't previously have an article and we should be saving the history of the previously created one.— NZFC(talk)(cont) 20:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given that this individual is not notable, why does previously having an article mean that they should have a redirect when it risks astonishing readers looking for the builder, the runner, or the politician? I also note that preserving this redirect will not preserve the history - that has already been deleted. BilledMammal (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There's no need for a disambiguation page between people without articles, but given this is ambiguous it should be deleted. A7V2 (talk) 02:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous, or create disambiguation page. It is unsurprising that some members of the cricket project would want the redirect to go to a cricket article, but none of the people mentioned in WP articles are sufficiently notable for a standalone article and there is no evidence to suggest this umpire should be the primary topic and that readers would be looking for him above any of the others; indeed most readers may be surprised to find themselves looking at a list of umpires. Arguments about article history are invalid since the article was deleted at AFD, confirming the lack of notability of the umpire; and the incoming redirects are there due to the deleted article, so they have no relevance either. A redlink is preferred in these situations. wjematherplease leave a message... 06:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Don't see why not; a dab page between non-articles is okay. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I supported a redirect in the AfD, but if there are other lists that include non-notable individuals by the same name, that we've recently decided this Terry Pearce isn't notable isn't a good reason to declare this Terry Peace more notable than the others. No opinion on disambiguating -- other people have a better sense of the style rules around dabs than I do. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION. -- Tavix (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate per consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22#Arthur Harley. Strong oppose keeping, as it makes no sense; there's no reason to make one non-notable target more prominent than other equally valid and equally non-notable ones. eviolite (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per eviolite. Also, aside from the two other non-notable individuals with this exact name, there's also two articles for people with homophonous names (Terry Peirce and Terry Pierce) who should go in the WP:DABSEEALSO section; seems to be too much for a hatnote at the current target, and is more helpful to readers than deletion given that the homophonous names won't show up in search results. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 23:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: There is equal support for Keep, Delete and Disambiguate. Creating a disambiguation draft will also help in the discussion.
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- Delete No clear primary target, and there is no need for disambiguation when there are no articles. As per nom, the search function is enough. Avilich (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate or Keep; now two entries and likely misspellings, more useful than search results. There should at least be a redirect/hatnote/disambiguation entry for the cricket umpire (considered notable for most of the time Wikipedia has existed[24][25] and will be again on Wikipedia or whatever replaces it), but not for the election candidate, who has never been notable according to guidelines (redirects for candidates who are elected as councillors are usually deleted); I'm not sure about the coach, if there would typically be an article or redirect there. A865 (talk) 23:13, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate using the draft. There are precedents for a disambiguation page with no articles of that exact title. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Since none of the Terry Pearce's are notable disambiguation is not suitable, per WP:NOTDIRECTORY which says
Disambiguation pages (such as John Smith) are not intended to be complete listings of every person named John Smith—just the notable ones.
BilledMammal (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)- For posterity, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Harley (2nd nomination). J947 † edits 09:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Noting that I've unlinked the four backlinks here, per WP:REDLINK:
Red links should not be made to articles deleted because the topic was judged unencyclopedic or lacking notability.
As to this page's fate, in the absence of any notable person called Terry Pearce, delete and let the search results handle it. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 23:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Angzar
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Vandalism-only account
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Grec ancien
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Eeweman
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Fat land parrot
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Hangkong Gongsi
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Dumbest Member of Congress
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Small Laptop Computer
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Nanzhou Passenger Station (metro)
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Survival arms
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- Survival arm → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Survival weapon → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Survival gun → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Survival rifle → Varmint rifle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aircraft survival weapon → M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, usage on the internet, Google Scholar, and Google Books does not suggest that the term is equivalent to the current target. The most common results are false-positives such as ...survival. Arms...
and medical literature where this is a term of art for clinical outcome patterns. Within the field of firearms, it still does not appear to unambiguously refer to a varmint rifle, with most results either being about companies named Survival Arms or descriptions of "aircrew survival arms" that are not limited to this sort of rifle. Survival weapon, meanwhile, again primarily seems to refer to "aircrew survival" contexts, and appears to refer to a wide range of light weaponry not limited to a varmint rifle ([26], [27]). In the absence of evidence that the search term refers to any target in particular, deletion seems appropriate, although many of these would be appropriate redirects to Aircraft survival weapon, a likely notable topic. signed, Rosguill talk 17:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete in the absence of a reliable source. I am unaware of any widespread use of these terms to refer to the type of rifles typical used for varmint shooting. Thewellman (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I'm also confirming nom's findings of "survival. arms" and the company "Survival Arms" hits. --Lenticel (talk) 06:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Retargetto M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon, or a similar article like Armalite AR-5. 53zodiac (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)- Per the investigation I detailed in the initial nomination, the M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon does not appear to be the only aircrew survival weapon, and my sense is that the topic is better served by a general article covering the category of weapon rather than redirecting to a specific model. signed, Rosguill talk 20:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also, please don't remove tags from redirects or change their targets while discussion is ongoing: it makes it much more difficult for additional participants to join the discussion, and the current state of discussion does not suggest that you currently have a consensus for the change of targets you implemented. signed, Rosguill talk 20:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Per the investigation I detailed in the initial nomination, the M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon does not appear to be the only aircrew survival weapon, and my sense is that the topic is better served by a general article covering the category of weapon rather than redirecting to a specific model. signed, Rosguill talk 20:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: relisting to include Aircraft survival weapon
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I'm starting a disambiguation article for Aircrew survival rifle, with the potential to expand in the future. Survival rifle, survival weapon and survival arm should redirect there. 53zodiac (talk) 21:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
So much talk, but nothing is done. I'm going to redirect these entries to aircrew survival weapon rather than waste any more time waiting for opinions. 53zodiac (talk) 20:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's appropriate to wait for a discussion to be closed before taking action, otherwise the action may end up being a waste of time, not sure what you're complaining about here. signed, Rosguill talk 19:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- True, making changes midway only confuses the discussion. A non-admin close is fine but has to be from a non-involved editor. I have undone the changes. Jay (talk) 02:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm complaining about the pointlessness of having a discussion in the first place. Why can't somebody simply change the redirects to a more relevant article? 53zodiac (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. All of these terms are ambiguous ad the current targets are likely to cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to 53zodiac's drafted Aircrew survival weapon. Jay (talk) 03:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Aggregate state
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Novgorod cross
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Realistically
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Hrvatska metropola
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Mali Beč
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Glavni grad Hrvatske
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All of Creation
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Template:NYCS stations
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Palandri District
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Unsecret
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Natalie Mariduena
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Tiquan Forbes
- Tiquan Forbes → Chicago White Sox minor league players#Ti'Quan Forbes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 10#Ti'Quan_Forbes Joeykai (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is that Forbes is no longer part of the White Sox, thus making the redirect useless. So, the redirect should be to his current team, which is the Arizona Diamondbacks, in a section could be written, or previous bio could be restored and revised. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I can make the section under the page Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players that is about Forbes, if needed. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not. These pages are not meant for just every minor league player. Just notable ones and Forbes is in no way notable to be on there.-- Yankees10 01:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can make the section under the page Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players that is about Forbes, if needed. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Useless re-direct.-- Yankees10 01:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players#Double-A where he is mentioned. Jay (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Special:Search/Ti'Quan Forbes. I'm being mildly facetious here, but that is arguably a better option than rolling a die to choose one of six targets, or leading readers to this uselessness. J947 † edits 22:16, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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Middlesborough in the 2010 general election
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Mustard sauce
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Faithfully flat
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Miller Genuine Draft (beer)
Settings in Battlestar Galatica
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- Sagittaron (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sagittaron(planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tauron (Battlestar Galactica) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aerelon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Canceron → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Virgon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Picon (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (fictional planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Libran → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Various planets and/or settings in the Battlestar Galatica universe that are not mentioned in the target article. It seems they all were previously redirects towards the former article Twelve Colonies, but there was consensus to redirect it to Battlestar Galatica per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Colonies (2nd nomination). At this point, without mention in the target article, readers attempting to locate specific information about the subjects of these redirects will be left with virtually nothing. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete "Sagittaron(planet)" incorrect disambiguation format -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Aerelon", "Virgon", "Tauron", "Sagittaron", "Gemenon" to Dirty Hands (Battlestar Galactica) where it is mentioned. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Picon" to Battlestar Galactica: The Plan where it is mentioned -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Convert "Libran" to a disambiguation page, there are people by this name with articles. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: There has been only one participant, and some entries have not been covered.
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- Delete almost all. These are very minor settings, and the proposed targets for some of them don't give enough information to warrant redirects. There's a bit of an WP:XY issue as well: for Gemenon, why Dirty Heads and not Flesh and Bone (Battlestar Galactica), Number Six (Battlestar Galactica), Caprica, Leoben Conoy, or Kara Thrace? Libran is a different situation and I have drafted a name index below the redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 00:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: trying to understand what is almost all. Is your vote same as LaundryPizza03 which is "Delete all except Libran"? Or did you want to delete only those redirects whose proposed targets don't give enough information? Of which you have mentioned only Gemenon, which isn't even part of the nomination. Jay (talk) 06:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete all per Rosguill (talk · contribs) as acceptable default, except for disambiguating Libran, but especially the one with the malformatted disambiguator. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete most (except Libran, which should be a dab page). Most of these started off as very brief articles in 2006 before getting prompty redirected: there's no content to salvage there. The relevant conent in the proposed targets is slim, and there's no inherent reason why these elements of the fictional universe should redirect to the one episode that currently happens to mention them. If there are any readers looking for those topics, then they're probably better served by the search engine: it will throw up whatever pages will have relevant content at the time. – Uanfala (talk) 22:49, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/pure junk
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United States Senate special election in South Carolina, 1972
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List of highest U.S. counties
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😕
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 2 § Emoticon or Emoji? – provisionally retarget to Emoji without prejudice against retargeting to an article about the specific concept represented
It seems clear to me that this emoji does not represent confusion but disconfort or being upset. Therefore, the redirect should either a) be retargetted to Comfort as it is the same place where Discomfort leads and also because "uncomfortable" and "discomfort" are in bold in the lede, b) be retargeted to the Wiktionary entry 'upset', or c) be deleted if no good redirect is found. Veverve (talk) 12:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Just noting that "Confused face" is the official Unicode name for this. See [28]. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know who gave it this name, but this face does not look confused to me. Emojis (see the table at Emoji#Unicode blocks) seem to redirect to what they represent, not to the name given to them (WP:SURPRISE). Veverve (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Just to make sure my comment has a clear !vote associated with it. I'll also repeat what I said in a few other emoji related RfDs - deletion should never be a valid option. Gonnym (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As Gonnym said, this is the confused face emoji, and will appear differently depending on a user's platform. Its current target is consistent with how we treat similar emojis.- Eureka Lott 15:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. "Confused face" is closest to Confusion. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget or Delete - I agree with the nomination - on many devices, this makes little sense without further context or explanation. Sergecross73 msg me 20:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as it's officially known as "confused face" so the current target appears suitable. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment/query. While WP:UCRN is about article titles and not about redirects, I think the spirit of that policy is relevant here. In other words, just as we don't choose article titles based on "official names" of things, we shouldn't redirect emojis based on their "official names" but rather (1) based on how they're actually used, and (2) what's most likely to be of use to the reader. The problem is, I have no idea how this is actually used or what readers who search for emojis on Wikipedia are looking for. @Veverve: when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others? The latter would be a good case for retargeting, especially if examples can be found; the former not so much. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others?
: I would say yes to both. However, I found no Pew Research Center study on how this emoji was perceived, so the way I saw this emoji being used remains an anecdotal evidence. - None of the RSs discussing it are of any help:
- Dictionary.com states the emoji "expresses confusion but also a range of other emotions, including bafflement, displeasure, disappointment, mild sadness, and self-pity. All of that can be earnest … or it can be ironic, you decide."
- The Reader's Digest states: "We were surprised to find out that this emoji is called 'confused face,' but on further reflection, it does have an aura of bewilderment."
- Veverve (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Veverve. The fact we're bound to rely on anecdotal evidence here makes me lean towards deleting, but I'll wait and see if anyone else can offer any clarity. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
- As with @Arms & Hearts:, I am definitely sympathetic to the idea that it should perhaps reflect the most common meaning rather than just a redirect based on the name. However, if we don't have a single obvious meaning, perhaps a short disambig page would be practical? "😕 ("confused face") is an emoji which has multiple meanings, and may be used to refer to: confusion ; disappointment; sadness..."
- This would let us cope with the moderately ambiguous ones which don't rise to the level of needing a full article like 😂, and it avoids giving a strange result for the readers who do think it means confusion. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - how this appears in different font schemes is irrelevant. Unicode defines characters so that they have a universal set meaning upon investigation. That definition is generally what we follow; WP:EMOJI. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as the intended meaning. Do not disambiguate as such a page would be predicated entirely on original research. eviolite (talk) 11:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Arguments for keeping boil down to "it's the official name", which I find unconvincing for reasons laid out above, and I don't see any significant harm in deleting. Deleting also seems much more closely aligned with WP:EMOJI, which says redirects from emojis
are often kept if the character has a clear and definite meaning ... The outcome is usually deletion if the glyph is unclear
. There's no alternative target that would be obviously preferable to the current target, and I agree with Eviolite that a disambiguation page wouldn't be appropriate (so keeping would be my second choice). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC) - The current redirect isn't very useful. Despite its official name, it doesn't look very much like a confused face in my browser. Moreover, by landing at Confusion, the reader isn't keyed in on the fact that it even has an official meaning -- the redirection feels like an OR choice by a random editor. Unfortunately, by deleting the redirect we fail to provide even that information. This case would be best served by some kind of list of emojis, or a soft redirect to wikt:😕. Daß Wölf 23:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete while the official name may be confusion, the expressions it is actually used for are much broader. signed, Rosguill talk 06:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary wikt:😕, where readers can identify the emoji's official name. CycloneYoris talk! 23:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Can't see how this is useful. Segaton (talk) 17:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: 😕
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)- Keep since several online websites state that 😕 represent a confused face. NotReallySoroka (talk) 06:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as is. Just because some people are confused about its correct meaning (lol) doesn't mean that this emoji is not specifically defined as a confused face. oknazevad (talk) 15:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- soft redirect to the wikitionary entry, as for many devices 😕 does not look like a confused face (https://emojipedia.org/confused-face/), and so readers learn about the official name per cycloneyoris. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい 13:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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Real vampires
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Dendrobaena veneta
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≬
Another pointless Wiktionary symbol redirect. The wiktionary target here is useless, consisting of a single word (the unicode character name) with no attempt at explaining what this symbol actually means or when it is used. This also fails the conditions for soft redirection laid out at WP:SSRT, this is neither a commonly wikified words or a page that has been repeatedly recreated. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. All single unicode characters should be blue links, and Neel.arunabh has expanded the target at Wiktionary so that it gives an explanation of the meaning and how it is used. The WP:SOFTSP guideline is not a set of requirements that every soft redirect must meet, but a guideline that lists the most common situations where one is appropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, it serves no purpose. Zaathras (talk) 13:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I also think a WP:REDLINK-type deletion would be beneficial because I'm surprised that I can't find a good article for this to target. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
Results from sister projects
with a link to the Wiktionary page. It's one click from the search page and it's one click via a soft redirect. There's no difference. Also, if your research fails to find anything worthwhile, then it's not going to be a plausible search term and would thus fail the criteria for soft redirects to Wiktionary. -- Tavix (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)- Firstly every individual unicode character with a defined meaning is a plausible search term, this is widely established (otherwise we would routinely link them in the tables of unicode characters or routinely keep them here. Secondly, there is no exaggeration - search results are not guaranteed to contain links to Wiktionary, nor are they always immediately presented to a searcher (what they see depends what device they are using, how they are navigating and whether they can start new articles; for example someone following a redlink on desktop will be invited to search and/or create an article first and have to choose to look at search results), so even if someone does see the sister projects box, and does immediately recognise that it's the only useful thing they will see from the internal search results, then it's not always just a single click away. Thirdly, I didn't say that my research found anything worthwhile - the internal search engine found nothing relevant, external search engines found content suitable for Wiktionary but not for Wikipedia.
- Finally, not a single benefit of deletion over a soft redirect has been established - even if the Wiktionary article were always one click away after deletion (which it wouldn't be) then it would still offer no advantages over the soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I fail to see what is accomplished by deleting this. WP:R#D10 doesn't apply here since nobody would create an article at the Unicode character, and the target does provide significant information on this character. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)- Keep; seems to have an appropriate explanation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Should all single Unicode characters have an extant page where there is a single reasonable target? That is a good question which cannot be litigated here where through discussions on individual items. Perhaps a wider community discussion on the matter might be a good idea. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Consensus here has long been that individual unicode characters (outside the private use area) are plausible search terms - every time the evidence of page views etc is presented it's clear that people do look up these characters on Wikipedia (and frankly why wouldn't they?). There is no disagreement that when there is a single reasonable target the characters should redirect to that. The disagreement here is over whether there is a reasonable target or not. The other type of disagreement about single characters are over (1) which of multiple reasonable targets is best; and (2) whether a red link/search results are better than (one or more) target(s) that are alright but not great. Thryduulf (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Do not close prematurely. The example currently used in Wiktionary does not make any sense and is not attested anywhere; likely just a (misguided) attempt to apply the name "between" literally. See wikt:Wiktionary:Tea room/2022/May#≬. Right now, it seems that we are redirecting to a page that consists of nothing but the Unicode character name and unverifiable, likely factual errors; I'm not comfortable having the discussion end before a conclusion on what the symbol actually means (if it does mean anything standard). eviolite (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: For final reconsideration following changes to content at the redirect's wiktionary target.
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- Keep. I'd expect there would be an entry for this in either Glossary of mathematical symbols or List of mathematical symbols by subject, but there isn't. Until one is added, I don't see any problems with the Wiktionary target: even after getting stripped of the list of examples, it still provides the Unicode metadata as well as a definition, which should be enough information for any reader who's encountered this symbol in a real-life context. – Uanfala (talk) 13:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
🐱🚀
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The World’s 10 Worst Dictators (PARADE magazine)
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Athletics at the 2022 Commonwealth Games – Women's 20 kilometres walk
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Britain’s worst terrorist atrocity
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Editing a protected page
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No return
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Ning'an Railway
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Thriller (Michael Jackson album
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Astronomical event
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Gilman Hot Springs, ca
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Jewish community
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TEN10
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June 5
Qoi fish
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Left-wing fascism
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Crossgates,seamer
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Satyrus of Elis
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Satyrus of Athens
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Sonic Chrono Adventure
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Musical Genres/Hip
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Atatürk's socialism
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Angzar
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Immigrant racism
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Faithfully flat
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Cyanide gas
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Social unit
- Social unit → Level of analysis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was merged to level of analysis, but over the years, any mention of the term 'social unit' was removed from the target. The merge discussion (see talk page of both mentioned articlsS) was not attended - only the proposer suggested it and then carried out the uncontroversial merge. My query is inconclusive on whether this topic deserves its own entry, and as for the merger, I think unit of analysis would be better. Anyway, I am not sure what do; the current redirect is pointless (again, the target doesn't mention it), but deleting it would result in a loss of a past article without an AfD. Redirecting to unit of analysis is not ideal as that article also doesn't mention this. The old article did have some reliably referenced content, and I am frankly tempted to suggest restoring this pre-merge version, which could be AfD if anyone so desires. In either case, this redirect is currently not sustainable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: extremely vague expression. Veverve (talk) 08:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Restore pre-merge/redirect version. (The link given by nom is wrong though, it gave me an error: "This site is only available in Mainland China.") Second option, Refine to Level of analysis#Analytical levels in social science and tag as {{R without mention}}. I found it useful as it lists the social units present at different levels of society. Jay (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - The term is simply so vague and general that I can't see making anything useful out of it. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:social unit. Searching on Google Scholar, I wasn't able to find any literature analyzing the usage of the term social unit, which means that the best we can do is redirect the reader to a dictionary definition. signed, Rosguill talk 06:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect per Rosguill (talk · contribs). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Restore Special:Permalink/475960620 and send to AfD. That venue is better suited to decide whether this should be an article, interwiki redirect, redlink, or something else. This was only ever redirected as part of a merger, and if none of the merged content survives, then the solution ought to be to restore. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as vague and likely to cause confusion. I don't object to restore/AfD but don't know if it's worth it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:32, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- The 2012 merge (see the "discussion") was a bold action, and so was the 2015 removal (in several unexplained edits [29]) of the merged content. Anyone should be free to boldly revert any of those two actions, and there's nothing requiring sending the restored article to AfD (though Rosguill above has cast doubt on its notability). Deletion is not an option because of the article content in the history that no-one is arguing should be deleted. Deletion, together with redirecting to Wiktionary, should be off the table for another reason as well: we already have an article on the topic right here on Wikipedia: Unit of analysis, as noted in the nomination. It may not currently have explicit mention of the term "social unit", but I can't see how this fact could possibly confuse readers: the article's title and first sentence are about "units", and the second sentence explicitly sets the context as being "social". Just retarget there, and leave the door open for further changes whenever someone makes another big bold edit. – Uanfala (talk) 12:14, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
History of institutions
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L'Affaire Lafarge
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San Jose
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Mustard sauce
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Vivicam3915
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1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid
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Old Catholic Confederation
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Anna Mamalat
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Gideon Richards
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Calvis Harris
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5o Cent
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Middlesborough in the 2010 general election
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Parmotrema tinctorum
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Polymer impregnation
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Green state
- Green state → Robyn Eckersley#The Green State (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous term. I've seen "green state" to refer to states where the Green Party has control, states that are environmentally friendly, or states where cannabis is legal. Given the wide variety of uses I've seen for the term, this does not seem to be the ideal target. Either delete or cross-redirect to Wiktionary. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as vague and ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:green state, which lists two of the nom's definitions. People may search "green state" here, but they might be WP:ASTONISHed to end up at the target. Regards, SONIC678 05:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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Retarget toKeep at Robyn_Eckersley#The_Green_State where the term green state is described. --Lenticel (talk) 06:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)- Delete as per Shhhnotsoloud and WP:SSRT. Veverve (talk) 06:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Green state should become an article or be redirected to Green politics Loremaster (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - it does appear to be ambiguous, and I also found an article using it in the political science sense that predates the 2004 article at the target [30]. signed, Rosguill talk 20:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it's ambiguous there can be a disambiguation page. Until another use is added it can be a redirect. 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Green party and cannabis contexts don't really lend themselves to dab entries, but are nevertheless possible as search terms; allowing for internal search results is thus preferable, IMO. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is when there is nothing with the title. "Green state redirects here, for other uses see wikt:green state" is possible. There is nothing about cannabis in search results or in wikt:green state so is there something that can be added? 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Green party and cannabis contexts don't really lend themselves to dab entries, but are nevertheless possible as search terms; allowing for internal search results is thus preferable, IMO. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it's ambiguous there can be a disambiguation page. Until another use is added it can be a redirect. 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between the current target to which The Green State redirects, and Eco-nationalism to which Green nationalism redirects (and which also covers green politics). Deletion to aid internal search results does not help as there are thousands of entries, all pointing to Bowling Green State University. Could not find a reference of the term in context of cannabis legalization on enwiki. Jay (talk) 06:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Soft redirect to wikt:Green state, seems plausible. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - The idea of some area being "a green state" is a general one that can relate to multiple articles. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:04, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. If a term can refer to several concepts, and there's relevant content about them here on Wikipedia, then you don't send readers away to other sites or present them with largely irrelevant search results, what you do is disambiguate. I've drafted a dab below the redirect (though I'm not sure how a link to Green nationalism can fit there). – Uanfala (talk) 12:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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"beIN Sports Xtra"
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MAGA
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World's Most Wanted
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English Clasico
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DNA experiments
- DNA experiments → Scientific method#DNA-experiments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- DNA experiment → Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
The current target of this redirect is rather surprising/astonishing since it's not about the actually subject of "DNA experiments", leads to a subject named "DNA experiment", or a list of experiments using DNA. I would have to believe there's a better target, but I'm not sure what. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: For reference, a search for the term "DNA experiment" (DNA experiment doesn't exist) returns several examples of experiments that utilize DNA. In regards to an actual retargeting option for this redirect, what seems to be the best option I found is List of experiments#Biology, but even that does't seem to be good enough since the section includes several experiments not directly related to DNA. Possibly deletion would be the better option here so the search results are not hidden by an existing redirect forwarding readers to a specific page. Steel1943 (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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- ...Umm, not sure how that addresses any part of my concerns with the redirect, but okay, thanks. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I found a short article which has a context section: Shot/reverse shot#Context Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 11:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I thought a redirect was supposed to aid in finding a topic. For example if Soldiers have an informal name for an Army topic, wouldn't it be helpful to create a redirect for the informal name? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So if a redirect to a page such as DNA experiment (scientific method) would satisfy the requirement? I could then create an anchor to the appropriate place in Scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually I saw some of the experiments from the DNA story in this list. DNA is the seed topic for whole industries now. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 22:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) ...And in regards to a page named "DNA experiment (scientific method)", that is disambiguation. One of the basic assumed requirements of a disambiguated title is that the version of it without disambiguation exists, and presently, DNA experiment doesn't exist. Steel1943 (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thus "List of experiments in biology" resembles a disambiguation page, but might actually describe the arc of a narrative? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So how does this redirect case RFD differ from DNA#History? What if DNA experiment were to become a disambiguation page to List of experiments on DNA; Scientific method; DNA#History ?--Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 01:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I can see how concerns about the redirect to a crucial experiment would cover up search results, but wouldn't a disambiguation page (sample above) handle this? Why can't I just start writing such a dab page? Is the rationale for this page meant to include other editors? --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 02:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- So I ran the Nominator's search for DNA experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=DNA+experiment&ns0=1&ns9=1&ns11=1 , and found a useful list which could be exploited (it's actually the first time I have found the Wikipedia Search to be usable): What I refer to is the type of Narrative paradigm called a crosscut, itself a disambiguator page. There is a sport on the Internet called the Wikipedia game, in which every article in the encyclopedia seems to have a root page: philosophy. This game has led to some users to actually edit encyclopedia articles, to keep the Narrative alive. In turn, other editors intervene, to break the chain to philosophy, in a battle between good and evil, an infinite game, or the conflict continuum#Competition continuum, or the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 09:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Genetic engineering. I can't make sense of the above discussion or the current state of the Scientific method article, but genetic engineering, to me, seems like the obvious topic someone who entered "DNA experiments" in the search box would be looking for. Tevildo (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Proposed Retarget: Added genetic engineering, and additional links, to a new target, a section Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis, as an application of the new understanding opened up in succeeding decades, after its discovery by the scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 07:06, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 08:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to add DNA experiment to this discussion. It was created during the course of this discussion and I would think it should have the same home as the plural form.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of molecular biology, which has the most in-depth information I can find on various experiments relating to DNA. -- Tavix (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to genetic engineering. When I saw the phrase "DNA experiment", genetic engineering was exactly what I thought of. Minkai (boop that talk button!-contribs-ANI Hall of Fame) 00:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of molecular biology, as examples have been given of DNA experiments that do not involve genetic engineering. Deletion would also be ok in my opinion. signed, Rosguill talk 20:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Participants have yet to decide which target is best. Is it Genetic engineering or History of molecular biology?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget - I would also take this to 'history of molecular biology' given that scientific research on the practical side into DNA has preceded what we tend to think of as specific 'genetic eingeering'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both. "DNA experiment" is simply too ambiguous to be a good redirect. It could refer to many different types of methodologies/techniques as well as numerous historically important results. Disambiguation doesn't make sense because "DNA experiment" isn't really a specific term that could refer to multiple specific things, instead it is a plausible search term, and we should let the search function do its job, as a disambiguation page could never be exhaustive. That said, since the discussion is trending toward retargeting somewhere, History of molecular biology seems like a superior target to Genetic engineering, as genetic engineering is much too specific (lots of scientific work, past and present, that could be described as a "DNA experiment" is outside the context of genetic engineering). Mdewman6 (talk) 01:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete DNA experiment which was created as part of this discussion to aid as a disambiguation page, but which wound up as redirect to another target (a new unreferenced section). Delete DNA experiments as a term that can potentially target multiple targets. Both Genetic engineering and History of molecular biology are too broad. If retargeting, I would have preferred refining to Genetic engineering#Research. Jay (talk) 04:02, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Mdewman6. Either of the proposed targets would be forcing this very general search term to a specific narrower term, which risks obscuring material relevant to a reader's query. Search results are rarely ideal, but in cases like these, it's better to be broad. --BDD (talk) 19:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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