"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing". – Attributed to Edmund Burke.
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There are now five Wikipedia articles that link to the articke above. Thanks for the heads-up
Question
How do you make the box where you insert the userboxes on your userpage? Dinosaur TrexXX33 (chat?) 13:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- DinosaurTrexXX33, hello please see WP:UBX. Celestina007 (talk) 14:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Question from AwesomeAlex261 (15:43, 18 March 2022)
can people see the page(s) i put out? --AwesomeAlex261 (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- AwesomeAlex261, hello there, by “pages” I presume you mean articles? If yes, then, it depends, if you share the url of an article you created then yes they can see the article, but conventionally if it has not been reviewed by a new page reviewer it takes about 90 days for the article to be indexed by google. Feel free to ask me more questions if you need further clarification. Celestina007 (talk) 20:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks AwesomeAlex261 (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Draft: Rhea Fossils
Hey Celestina007! Thanks for helping me with that article! I have another one which I helped make, called Rhea Fossilis. Could you help me get it published?--Puffin Crazy (talk) 18:45, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Puffin Crazy, hello there, it seems as though both in draftspace and in article name space that the article is not present could you cross check and see if you missed something? Celestina007 (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- User:Puffin Crazy - You mean Draft:Rhea Fossilis. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- You haven't submitted it for review. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! I just submitted it for review. Puffin Crazy (talk) 15:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
The wisdom in striking through
Nice edits at the RFA. Every one of us gets excited sometimes and reacts when we should hesitate. Me especially. Thanks for striking through and offering understanding where you chose to self-identify as a real human being. Thanks again. I like writing with people who frequently demonstrate good judgement, even when it may take them look less than stellar (perhaps especially so). BusterD (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- BusterD, thanks for the kinds words BD
, I really do appreciate it. Thank you also for the good and arduous tasks you perform site wide. Celestina007 (talk) 21:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- It is likewise always good to see your date stamp. I feel like a total amateur (and quite lazy) compared to some around here. Plus there are people who should swing the mop, but have due to their boldness may never be handed the mop. When trusted people own up to their humanity it makes this pedia a nicer place to create (and a larger community of trust). BusterD (talk) 21:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- BusterD, this indeed is very much correct. My thinking is, ego plays a major factor in editors refusing to own up to their mistakes or take responsibility for their actions, I for one, always make it a point of duty to acknowledge my errors and tender my apology to the relevant editor. If individuals could keep their ego aside when editing here, as you correctly put it, it does indeed make the collaborative project a nicer place to create / work in. “Sorry” is a magic word, apologizing is indicative of maturity, I really don’t know why people would let ego rob them of an opportunity to learn and grow. Celestina007 (talk) 21:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, (to me) that last assertion is a new way of expressing this. Sounds like something a Shaolin monk might say on 1970's tv show. Or one might hear at twelve step meeting. BusterD (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- BusterD, lmao, the part where you say “Or one might hear at twelve step meeting” got me & yes! you are apt that is literally what a Shaolin monk or a mystic guru would definitely say. Coincidentally I used to be a chela(student) of an oriental sadhguru. Celestina007 (talk) 21:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, (to me) that last assertion is a new way of expressing this. Sounds like something a Shaolin monk might say on 1970's tv show. Or one might hear at twelve step meeting. BusterD (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- BusterD, this indeed is very much correct. My thinking is, ego plays a major factor in editors refusing to own up to their mistakes or take responsibility for their actions, I for one, always make it a point of duty to acknowledge my errors and tender my apology to the relevant editor. If individuals could keep their ego aside when editing here, as you correctly put it, it does indeed make the collaborative project a nicer place to create / work in. “Sorry” is a magic word, apologizing is indicative of maturity, I really don’t know why people would let ego rob them of an opportunity to learn and grow. Celestina007 (talk) 21:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- It is likewise always good to see your date stamp. I feel like a total amateur (and quite lazy) compared to some around here. Plus there are people who should swing the mop, but have due to their boldness may never be handed the mop. When trusted people own up to their humanity it makes this pedia a nicer place to create (and a larger community of trust). BusterD (talk) 21:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
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Question from AwesomeAlex261 (15:51, 22 March 2022)
hello Can I create multiple articles and put them on my user page --AwesomeAlex261 (talk) 15:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- AwesomeAlex261, hello and welcome, I’m sorry for the late response I’ve been indisposed in the last 40 hours it so happens that my blood pressure is elevated, things have stabilized now, Alright! So to answer your questions, no you may not, I am afraid that wouldn’t be a good approach, what you may want to do is use your WP:sandbox or WP:Draftspace to “Draft the new article” then upon completion, submit it via the WP:AFC method. Having said, might I ask you if you have read WP:YFA, WP:GNG & WP:RS? If not please put all ideas of creating new articles on hold, read the aforementioned, and when you are done, do well to let me know. Please it is important that you read the relevant links I have pointed to you pedantically. Celestina007 (talk) 11:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK thank you! hope you feel better! @Celestina007 AwesomeAlex261 (talk) 14:51, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- AwesomeAlex261, thank you for the kind words, my health has indeed improved, please when you are done reading the aforementioned please let me know, if you find reading all the links too cumbersome, please just read WP:GNG after which I beseech you to message me, telling me you have done so. Thank you once again and remain safe. Celestina007 (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Question From Ebubechukwu1
Good morning sir/ma,I'm Ebubechukwu a new editor from Nigeria and have been directed to your talk page to learn more about Wikipedia notability guideline because literally all the article i created get moved to draft for just one that reason.I'll be so glad to learn ma/sir. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebubechukwu1 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ebubechukwu1, I note this by NinjaRobotPirate, please do not take second chances for granted. To be honest, In order for me to answer your question I need to understand precisely why you are binge creating articles on Nigerian government agencies almost all of which are non notable? Pinging Timtrent if they have any questions or inputs they’d like to make. Celestina007 (talk) 12:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ebubechukwu1 I have precisely the same question. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ebubechukwu1 So Please do feel free to answer this concerns raised when or if you feel like it. Celestina007 (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Good evening ma/sir.I'm working on a project concerning Lagos state parastatals and Ministry called WikiLagos and i Wanted to give my contributions to the project.
- I'm sorry about the way i replied @Star Mississippi.
- Thank you. Ebubechukwu1 (talk) 17:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ebubechukwu1 I think it would be advisable for you to use the WP:AFC process, whcih has iterative reviews.
- This process is not compulsory. I cannot insist that you use it. What I can do is suggest that you will receive a benefit from using it. You will have drafts that are good enough accepted. Those that are not yet good enough are pushed back to you for more work, and can be re-submitted. Those that will never be accepted on the grounds of lack of notability will be rejected.
- This will save you work and save you from disappointment. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ebubechukwu1 So Please do feel free to answer this concerns raised when or if you feel like it. Celestina007 (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Responding here so it's in one place. Ebubechukwu1 there's nothing to be forgiven for. It takes a while to learn but please take @Timtrent:'s and my advice about draft space. Regardless of whether you have a COI, and I'm AGFing that you don't, it will help you. Star Mississippi 19:01, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Question from Sel polisi (23:53, 26 March 2022)
Hello how can i create an edit for my grandpa that passed away --Sel polisi (talk) 23:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sel polisi, Oh my! I’m sorry to hear that. Per your question, there are certain things to consider, have you read WP:NOTABILITY? Have you read WP:GNG? If you have gone through the aforementioned, and you feel your grandpa was a notable individual, we then face another hurdle which is; Wikipedia frowns at creating articles on someone or something you are too close with. Please see WP:COI. There are two ways to approach this, the first is to read WP:COIDISCLOSE, then ensure to submit the article using the AFC method. Another manner is called WP:RA, when you go there just include the name of your grandpa (assuming he is indeed a notable figure) and someone here would create the article accordingly. I’m sorry for your loss & I’m deeply disheartened by your current predicament. Celestina007 (talk) 00:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
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Nothing will happen
Though I have followed some accounts to (eg) commons 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don’t know, maybe, maybe not, but yeah it’s probably going to be closed with a warning to them. To be honest I don’t know if it’s a natural predisposition or an affinity, id say it’s the former as I’ve been combatting UPE since 2016 even before I knew what “UPE” meant. Thus far there is no editor I called dubious who didn’t end being dubious, perhaps only on a few editors was i wrong, I remember making a report to ArbCom about an editor I suspected of being sketchy and it took two more years before they realized & this is what I had seen over two years old prior. I know dubious when I see dubious if it’s s natural talent I really don’t know, I remember sometime ago I wrote somewhere on how to spot UPE, it was so mind blowing Kudpung told me expressly to remove it less I inadvertently teach them how to BEANS, & I replied Kudpung telling them that BEANS or not they weren’t getting away with it. In the end I removed this method because of the respect I have for him, I mean he is the original anti UPE editor and wrote and created NPP thus my respect for him is more than words can explain, forgive the digression Timtrent what I’m trying to say is that it is my belief or opinion that Atibrarian isn’t genuine, I might be wrong but that is how I feel, I’m recusing myself from that discussion. Celestina007 (talk) 22:02, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Celestina007 and Timtrent: Thank you for the kind words, Celestina. Would one of you please consider running for adminship to plug the hole I left? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Kudpung, it really is flattering to hear you say I should RFA but I think I gave TheresNoTime (One of our finest at anti spam) the reason I’m reluctant to, perhaps our friendly neighborhood anti spam editor Timtrent can change their views on adminship and RFA. Celestina007 (talk) 18:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Celestina007 and Timtrent: Thank you for the kind words, Celestina. Would one of you please consider running for adminship to plug the hole I left? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- @TheresNoTime, I could have sworn this was a nudge for me to consider RFA. Celestina007 (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- I completely misread your message above Celestina007, I am so sorry! I thought you were suggesting that I wouldn't want you to run! ~TNT (talk • she/her) 18:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- TheresNoTime, I figured as much, here’s something funny, yesterday I took pain killers due to my knee injury and and I remember the doctors expressly telling me to just go to sleep immediately, I figured I’d just do some minor work on Wikipedia, I swear to you I was trying to converse with Timtrent and it seemed like rocket science to me, my brain couldn’t just coordinate properly, if you ever want to laugh please check my contribs, I think I made every spelling and grammatical error ever known! I felt so ashamed of myself this morning re-reading them😂. On a more serious note it’s a shame after almost a year the reason I couldn’t RFA then is still the same reason I can’t RFA now, someone needs to be a “sysop without the tools” in order to combat the dirty game of UPE. Celestina007 (talk) 19:11, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- I completely misread your message above Celestina007, I am so sorry! I thought you were suggesting that I wouldn't want you to run! ~TNT (talk • she/her) 18:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not going to change my own views, my friend. I find the checks and balances by my not being an admin are better for Wikipedia. Have the minor disadvantage of not having admin goggles, but that is trivial. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Chukwudi Onuamadike (Evans)
Last year we had some discussions on my user talk page about whether the page Chukwudi Onuamadike should be moved to a title such as Evans (kidnapper). I understand that Evans was indeed convicted of kidnapping (see [6], for example) last month. So if you want to move the page to Evans (kidnapper), I believe that would be appropriate now. If you do so, please make sure to update the lead so that it says that he is a convicted (instead of "alleged") kidnapper. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Metropolitan90, I do remember the conversation. I was going to decline this, because in the back of my mind, I felt like doing do so would be interpreted as doing a controversial page move but seeing it was just you who expressly wanted it to retain its current title(now previous) and now that you are asking for it to be moved, it doesn’t appear so controversial (at least to me) Alright then I shall proceed as you have suggested. Celestina007 (talk) 00:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Metropolitan90,
Done thanks for bringing this to my notice. Please do stop by more often. Celestina007 (talk) 00:36, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Metropolitan90,
Question from Southcoastdeaffc (19:11, 2 April 2022)
Hi , am new here what to do --Southcoastdeaffc (talk) 19:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Southcoastdeaffc, hello, i note you asked this question three days ago, I haven’t been available for a while now, so please when ever you ask me a question and I don’t reply that very day please go straight to the WP:TEAHOUSE and ask the question there. Alright, about your question, you see, what you want to do is do a self analysis, what brought you here? Why do you want to become an editor? What topic areas interests you? The first two questions are rhetorical and as for the third, you may or may not share with me but insofar as you have an answer to all three then navigating to the relevant topic areas and editing there wouldn’t be a problem, the idea is for you to start small, for example; correcting grammatical errors, spelling errors and easy endeavors like that. Also, please see WP:GETTINGSTARTED & WP:TUTORIAL, you should have read both before anything else. Furthermore, testing your editing skills before editing (any) live article in any capacity is a great idea. Please see WP:SANDBOX, that is basically a place to test your editing skills. Check out WP:5P too & that is pretty much how you start learning. It’s simple, please keep asking questions as much as you like until you are satisfied. Celestina007 (talk) 22:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Prince Julius Adewale Adelusi-Adeluyi
Hi! If you have the time/inclination, mind an eye on this? It came to me via SuggestBot and I'm not clear whether it's UPE or just someone promoting their CV. I trimmed the worst and my gut is he's notable, but it's hard to make heads or tales of. Thanks either way. Star Mississippi 20:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Not Celestina but whewwwww lawd, that article is total garbage. Notable or not, that's some serious spam sourced to blogspot. CUPIDICAE💕 20:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh and it's a copyvio. Fun. CUPIDICAE💕 20:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I giggled at
whewwwww lawd
, so much more polite than what I said when I saw it. Thanks to you,@Timtrent for flagging copyvio. I'll wield the rev del brush but wouldn't be opposed to it disappearing as a G11 as that was clear intent. Star Mississippi 20:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)- Honestly it was a g11/g12 candidate. As it stands now it's basically an unsourced resume, so I say delete it. PS: the nice words I said were not the ones I said out loud ;) CUPIDICAE💕 20:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi was mainly @Praxidicae. I just nuked a paragraph! 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Depressing. This gentleman seems to satisfy WP:NPOLITICIAN, but it needs stubbing more. I may have a go in a minute 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- but I'm sure he was such a nice altar boy!
- I swear we need character limit for new articles. There are many articles that need to into great depth, but bios are so rarely in that category. Misguided new editors cram every factoid they can in, which leads to more frustration. Thanks both, and Celestina for hosting this conversation Star Mississippi 20:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have reduced it, as has Praxidicae, to a stub. Regrettably the remaining references are dead links. All they have to do, all, is to assert and verify notability, then leave it alone 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Star Mississippi, Praxidicae, Timtrent, Sorry for the late response, of recent I have been more withdrawn than usual, alright straight to business, Star, In my honest opinion I think I agree with Praxidicae that the article could was a good candidate for G12/G11 and could have been disappeared under any or both of the aforementioned, and to answer your question Star, from my experience, article's as this are more of a CV/Resumé article than it is UPE, as it stands we have an article on mainspace that has 0 RS/ (or any source for that matter for WP:v purposes) which is just bad. An archetypical example of an article that shouldn’t be on mainspace. If Timtrent says they meet NPOL then someone can at least add a source that substantiates the veracity of the claim to the article. I believe I’m a tad bit too scatter brained (right now) to be the one to do it. Thanks Star for bringing this article to my notice, at least I have added it and the creator to my watchlist. Celestina007 (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm being pedantic. An article about something that is inherently notable is entitled to be here even with no references. I find that bizarre, but at the same time reasonable. Wikipedia is a paradox at times.
- I will take no part in any deletion discussion if anyone chooses to nominate it to go. I have pruned it too hard to be seen as neutral. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, I respect that, Please let me clarify that I did not imply that since it was you who stated that it met NPOL hence it should be you who provides the relevant source, no, that was more of a general comment aimed at no one. Furthermore an unsourced biography or a biographical article sourced to dead links are very much discouraged, hypothetically speaking if an article on a supposed inherently notable individual(who is still alive) were to be created, and moved to mainspace and left without sources, irrespective of NEXIST or whatever a WP:blpprod may apply. Lest I digress old friend, a biographical article must be sourced at least WP:v thinks that. However I’m really indifferent about this, having said, if it were nominated for deletion I would !vote to delete, but I respect your work ethic nonetheless and I also appreciate what you & Praxi did. Celestina007 (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, as always, for your .02 on these matters. I understand what @Timtrent is saying. We're in a moment of but vague wave at policy at AfD of late which is annoying when something should be sourced, but is allowing to fly when it's not, because vague wave and sources exist because this position is notable. But that's a rant for another time.
- Likewise grateful for the work done to solve the issue, which was a mess in mainspace that was not helpful to the reader. Star Mississippi 01:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- I never said I approved of the weird "notable items that are not sourced may have articles" concept, and Celestina, I truly never thought you suggested I ought to find a source. I imagine someone will send it for deletion at some point. I approve of that because it will allow the community to decide. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 07:09, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, I respect that, Please let me clarify that I did not imply that since it was you who stated that it met NPOL hence it should be you who provides the relevant source, no, that was more of a general comment aimed at no one. Furthermore an unsourced biography or a biographical article sourced to dead links are very much discouraged, hypothetically speaking if an article on a supposed inherently notable individual(who is still alive) were to be created, and moved to mainspace and left without sources, irrespective of NEXIST or whatever a WP:blpprod may apply. Lest I digress old friend, a biographical article must be sourced at least WP:v thinks that. However I’m really indifferent about this, having said, if it were nominated for deletion I would !vote to delete, but I respect your work ethic nonetheless and I also appreciate what you & Praxi did. Celestina007 (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Star Mississippi, Praxidicae, Timtrent, Sorry for the late response, of recent I have been more withdrawn than usual, alright straight to business, Star, In my honest opinion I think I agree with Praxidicae that the article could was a good candidate for G12/G11 and could have been disappeared under any or both of the aforementioned, and to answer your question Star, from my experience, article's as this are more of a CV/Resumé article than it is UPE, as it stands we have an article on mainspace that has 0 RS/ (or any source for that matter for WP:v purposes) which is just bad. An archetypical example of an article that shouldn’t be on mainspace. If Timtrent says they meet NPOL then someone can at least add a source that substantiates the veracity of the claim to the article. I believe I’m a tad bit too scatter brained (right now) to be the one to do it. Thanks Star for bringing this article to my notice, at least I have added it and the creator to my watchlist. Celestina007 (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have reduced it, as has Praxidicae, to a stub. Regrettably the remaining references are dead links. All they have to do, all, is to assert and verify notability, then leave it alone 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I giggled at
- Star Mississippi, Timtrent, indeed you both are apt. Allow me use this opportunity to once again thank you for attending to Nigeria related articles that appear disingenuous, I really do appreciate the vigilance, and do not take it for granted, the creation of dubious looking articles from the Nigerian space and editors engaging in less than ethical practices have been appropriately addressed and dealt with accordingly due to hard working editors like yourselves, MER-C, Praxidicae, DGG, TheresNoTime, Blablubbs, Sdrqaz, Dan ardnt, Rosguill, TheAafi, there are a lot more people that I’m not remembering right now, the truth is if it was I who did the (initial shouting) by (Pointing out a possible Nigerian organized syndicate engaging in a systematic creation of dubious Nigeria related articles & engaging in less than ethical practices such as sockpuppetry), it was via the help of you individuals that my dream of obliterating any form of UPE practices in Nigeria is gradually becoming a reality and at large our collective dream of totally obliterating unethical practices not just in Nigeria related articles alone but from the entirety of the English Wikipedia, Truly to have served in this capacity with you lot has been my greatest achievement. Thank you, we are eliminating this sort of unethical editing, there is still work to be done but we are indeed seeing exponential progress. Celestina007 (talk) 13:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- There's an exception to "an article about something that is inherently notable is entitled to be here even with no references. I find that bizarre, but at the same time reasonable. Wikipedia is a paradox at times." -- this is a BLP, and needs a RS. But it does list two; however, at least for me, neither of them work.
- But there's another exception--we don't accept spam for any subject, and no matter how notable; if it fails NOT ADVERTISING, it will be removed unless someone fixes it. The question then, faced with the original, is whether it is worth fixing. Beyond a certain amount of spam, I'll delete even in my favorite field, notable professors, unless they are actually famous. As a politician, he may qualify as notable, but certainly not as famous. There is of course no rule requiring any of us to fix an article, or decide not to fix an article. I've fixed many and had others tell me I shouldn't have bothered, and I've seen many fixed where I would have said the same. It might be different if we had time to work on them all. DGG ( talk ) 23:19, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- DGG, you said it best and indeed have summarized accurately the whole situation better than I could ever attempt to. Celestina007 (talk) 13:26, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- I also want to appreciate Primefac & Barkeep49, there are a group of editors who may not talk too much on mainspace but behind the scenes, they are toiling really hard to see the collaborative project is spam free, I want to appreciate a sister and friend Valereee as well. Thank you all. Celestina007 (talk) 13:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
"Join Us At Anti UPE/Spam"
I'm intrigued by your userpage piece on anti UPE. I see the group on meta that you suggest editors could join as being a cross-wiki effort that requires involvement in sister projects. Is that correct? Do you think there should be an en.wiki specific home for anti-spam such as a wikiproject? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Curb Safe Charmer, that is indeed correct, anyone interested in dealing with cross wiki spam/undisclosed paid editing is welcome there. Hey CSC, could you please elaborate on the latter part of your message? I say this because we already have WP:WPSPAM. Celestina007 (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I made a typo. I meant anti-UPE. You've written some good advice on your user page but I think it would benefit a wider audience on a WP: page as an essay or guidance in a wikiproject. I've reported UPE to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org but it is only accessible to checkusers and isn't read that often. I've reported it at COIN a few times before, but COIN seems powerless to do much unless an admin passes by who is interested in UPE. Maybe if there was a project, or even a category it would be easier to identify "Administrators willing to investigate UPE". Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Curb Safe Charmer, you raise a valid point, and i understand you perfectly when you say COIN is powerless except an admin passes by & yes more often than Bbb23 seems to be the only one taking action AFAIK in that aspect. I also understand you when you say sometimes sending a mail to the relevant parties isn’t always effective, I understand what you are saying first hand. You are also correct when you say a Wikiproject for UPE May be helpful you are indeed apt but I honestly do not even have the mental energy to start to develop such at the moment, i am mentally fatigued to be honest. Furthermore you are also apt about making my views to be more visible to the community I have written some essays and I have some about three essays saved and drafted on my electronic device but unfortunately I do not believe i have the mental will to create them into proper essays at the moment, Kudpung has indeed suggested this very same ideas you are suggesting. You have raised very salient points but I really don’t have any mental energy for much, combining my day job plus Wikipedia of recent hasn’t been easy for me thus the much I can do like this write ups on my UP, I try to do so, you are really making a lot of sense as MER-C has literally been the only admin who is an ARV for UPE, and your ideas can indeed reduce their workload, UPE isn’t an enjoyable place to work as it is mentally draining, sometime in the past I spoke to MER-C and he told me he hasn’t the energy or time to attend to UPE matters and I totally understood what they meant at that point in time, you have made great points but tbh I have grown a little weary, this is ephemeral but as of now I am mentally tired, that is the reason I appreciate Praxidicae, Timtrent & DGG, they do not tire in their bid to tackle spam/upe. Lastly the part where you mention “Administrators willing to investigate UPE” that would be a great idea if administrators aren’t being stifled or pilloried, I feel bad for sysops at the moment, and I totally understand why many aren’t interested in UPE which is as controversial as they come, judging from antecedent, almost every admin who attempted to tackle UPE almost ended up de-sysoped & some outrightly de-sysoped, my thinking is an idea Bradv, Beeblebrox and DGG gave me last year which is basically taking down all articles from possible dubious editors and in time this would frustrate them out of business, so far so good. Once again thank you for the bright ideas. Celestina007 (talk) 16:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Please take care of yourself and your mental health, Wikipedia will still be there when you have your energy back. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Curb Safe Charmer, that’s so kind of you, it’s not so much that querying or carrying out my duties is a problem in-fact as we speak I’m addressing two articles I believe may be disingenuous this & this what I was trying to say is I don’t have the will power for anything “big” right now but it doesn’t incapacitate not impede me from executing minor anti spam/UPE/COI work on mainspace, you know, just like I am handling the aforementioned sketchy looking articles. Celestina007 (talk) 21:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Please take care of yourself and your mental health, Wikipedia will still be there when you have your energy back. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:01, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Celestina007 , I unfortunately have to say that I am indeed getting tired--and bored-- in my work to tackle spam. This is not what I became an admin to do; I became a admin to rescue articles that had been overlooked or inadequately written, and the admin function I expected to use the most was viewdeleted sand undelete. But I now delete about 1000 pages a year, and undelete only about 400--not counting the thousands of pages a year I look at, but delete by letting G13 remove them. I have been gradually restricting the subject range I will even look at--I now just do professors plus the few on medieval or ancient history. But even so I am increasingly falling behind. In an effort to keep the work to what I can handle, I no longer try to fix the questionable - if it's basically good enough I will pass the Draft and hope they get fixed at afd; if they need significant work, I will ignore them and let them get deleted until someday someone will be prepared to do it properly. One exception: If theres a paragraph or two of junk, i will remove it, to givei t a better chance. Celestina007, our hope to continue is in new people. The current ones likeme and even you can keepat it forever. DGG ( talk ) 07:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- DGG, I love that you mention this, we old heads are getting fatigued from combating spam, although mine is ephemeral and I can never be permanently tired of fighting spam as it utterly disgusts, motivates and reenergizes me, however our hope is in the newer editors, we are now at an impasse as I am yet to see a new generation editor with a knack for anti spam, furthermore this weakness you feel isn’t from combatting UPE alone (although combatting UPE is very stressful) but I believe it is editing in general, please read this it just goes to show how editing in general can tire one out. Celestina007 (talk) 15:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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Question from Domfarolino (02:53, 12 April 2022)
I just made my first edit. Does it not need to be reviewed? --Domfarolino (talk) 02:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Domfarolino, hello there, not quite, your first edit doesn’t necessarily need to be reviewed by anyone, however, reading a few of our policies and guidelines and practicing your edits in your own WP:SANDBOX are quite helpful as a prerequisite for editing any article already on mainspace. Celestina007 (talk) 18:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Question from FilmFanMG (08:07, 12 April 2022)
I understand I can edit Wikipedia pages but can I create one because there isn’t some that I think are important --FilmFanMG (talk) 08:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- FilmFanMG, hello and welcome, please it would benefit you more to start slowly and begin to learn the policies and guidelines of this community prior thinking of article creation, contrary to conventional belief, article creations aren’t hard but aren’t easy either. Celestina007 (talk) 19:10, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Question from SinhaAarush (12:03, 12 April 2022)
Hello, (((Looking at our logs, it seems your IP address is either shared or part of a large range that has been blocked to prevent an abusive user from vandalizing our site. Unfortunately, while this adequately protects our site, it does affect a large number of innocent users. You can, however, still edit while logged in with an account. I'm assuming you don't have one already, so you can request one at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Request_an_account To speed this up, it's a good idea to check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth to make sure that the username you want is not already taken. Apologies for the inconvenience this causes, but I assure you large blocks like this are a last resort.)))
The above statement was given by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deepfriedokra
I had a conversation with the previous owner of this mobile. I think he used multiple accounts and gave unsourced content.
I just want a protection for using the presently blocked IP address. As he told me his account want searched using IP address. I am a editing addict so I need protection. I am not responsible for the works of the previous owner. I will violate any Wikipedia Rules as I am a old editor. --SinhaAarush (talk) 12:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- SinhaAarush, hello and welcome, sadly, I don’t believe I can be of any help as unfortunately I can’t make heads or tails of what actually it is you are trying to say, courtesy ping to Deepfriedokra, in case they want to comment on anything. Celestina007 (talk) 19:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @SinhaAarush: Oh, my. You've opened a can of worms saying you know the previous owner of the device you are using. That raises the question of how intertwined to two of you are. (Let's not go there.) Did you create this account or did the nice folks at account creation? If the latter, then you should be fine. If the former, the question is whether your editing convinces the Community that there is some connection that needs looking into. If not, ISP's reassign IP's fairly often. At one point, the IP my phone was using was blocked. Not that I can ever use the thing to edit. I'm gonna assume good faith and not worry about those things and tell you not to worry either. (Don't state the IP. That's a private matter, and we do not link IP's to accounts openly.) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank You @Deepfriedokra SinhaAarush (talk) 06:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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- HandsomeBoy, Replied, I also discuss about occultism there. Celestina007 (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
awb
Hi friend! I think some of your AWB settings may be a little off, as I saw you tagged some disambig pages as stubs and orphans. The pages in question are K94, K96, and K99. Curbon7 (talk) 03:53, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Curbon7yes indeed, sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused & yeah i do agree you are indeed Twitter famous. Celestina007 (talk) 19:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Question from Expose Facts (09:58, 15 April 2022)
Hi,
I want to know what can I do? If I saw a Wikipedia user altering information on a page & the altered information is fake and not real. How do I report such user? How to prevent vandalism from such users? --Expose Facts (talk) 09:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Expose Facts, you report vandalism at WP:AIV after you must have warned the editor in question. Celestina007 (talk) 10:02, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Blocks
How do I avoid getting blocked That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Simply stop making stupid, pointless, disruptive edits. Theroadislong (talk) 18:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Like what That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Like your edits to this talk page. CUPIDICAE💕 18:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- 💀💀💀💀💀 That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 22:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Like your edits to this talk page. CUPIDICAE💕 18:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Like what That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh well since they were so fascinated about blocks, and trolling me, the good ol Ad Orientem served them an indef I guess their Easter presents came right on time. Celestina007 (talk) 02:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm a week early. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ad Orientem, wowwwww! Celestina007 (talk) 19:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm a week early. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Even handed handed even
RE: your query about GenoV84's false assertion that Editors aren't allowed to remove sourced informations with references from the encyclopedia
— WP:DUE and WP:ONUS are, in fact, largely intended to mitigate that flawed notion. As an aside, Islamic scholars (or any other religious scholars) are still scholars in the field of religion and theology. Mine or yours or GenoV84 (whoever)'s view as to the value of that scholarship notwithstanding. It is consensus which determines that. Consensus in the wider scholarship as well as project-wide, and wherein hopefully, the two align. El_C 19:47, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- El_C, E, I do understand you and like i mentioned to them I didn’t even bother looking into why they were at ANI, I see you have served them a two week time out, well that’s too bad for them, but their edit summary caught my interest as I did see it word for word somewhere in 2016 and since then never saw it again, let me correct something, GenoV84 (they aren’t pinged) wasn’t being outrightly dishonest but more misrepresenting information as the latter part of that statement reads "if the information is from a biased source" or something along those lines, Infact, the reason I sought the source of the information was because I knew dishonest editors were going to invariably use that as an excuse to write garbage on probably paid jobs but since I found the latter part of that statement I now know in entirety what that statement meant in the relevant context, thus why I refer to their actions as a misrepresentation or misinterpreting information, Look I’m in agreement with you, heck! Even WP:Unreliable source dispels such notion my goal was to find the source of the statement, they did show me the source of it and I’m appreciative of them for that and that’s that for that. I’d take a closer look into their ANI and see what all that noise was for. Celestina007 (talk) 20:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm not following a lot of that. But, though I said that their misrepresentation of policy is concerning, that wasn't the main reason for the block. Anyway, just trying to answer your question by explaining why that isn't a thing, why it wouldn't be workable. El_C 20:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- El_C, and I do firmly agree with you that indeed it isn’t a thing & such a notion is absolute rubbish. Celestina007 (talk) 20:56, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm not following a lot of that. But, though I said that their misrepresentation of policy is concerning, that wasn't the main reason for the block. Anyway, just trying to answer your question by explaining why that isn't a thing, why it wouldn't be workable. El_C 20:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
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RE: Badri Lal Yadav
Just letting you know I moved this article you draftified back to mainspace, as the issues that led to the draftification (i.e. broken formatting) were fixed, and it is notable. Curbon7 (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Good one. I don’t think anyone mentioned anything about notability, ironically the mere act of drafitication means the reviewer believes the article can be mainspace worthy in the future, if certain things are addressed so yeah like I said good one. Anything else? Celestina007 (talk) 01:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Uploading Images to Wikipiedia
Hi Celestina007 I have been in wikipedia for near to 1o months. I have got majority ideas on editing and still working on my sandbox to improve. The only problem I'm facing is uploading images. I basically do the articles on Malayalam movies. I wish to upload the images that are shared by the crew members or production house official social media pages. Can you please guide me in this? Uploading images from social media. I have gone through many articles and I can't understand it fully.Paavamjinn (talk) 17:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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this tamzin RfA
The Whatever, high atop The Thing... let it rest :) but then, what shall I joke about? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:20, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- it seems you're on an unexpected wikibreak; i hope you're all right, and back soon! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, You are so sweet, Yes indeed, it was impromptu, I lost a family member so I travelled to U.S, Utah specifically to pay my last respects. Celestina007 (talk) 12:10, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear that! :( I hope you're doing all right, and I'm glad to have you back here. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, Thank you for your show of love, I’m equally glad to be back, I’ve really missed you all. Celestina007 (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- you may want to turn off the MOS:CURLY quotes? oh my god, you tempted the wrath again. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:05, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, I’m not sure I’ve used curly quotes throughout our interaction, but again I’m a mobile editor so I’m not oblivious of the fact that there is a distinction or variance between both interface and how they appear, be that as it may, I really can’t turn it off via my mobile, perhaps (if in existence, a script may do the trick). I’m a bit too scatter brained Atm to think straight. Ah! TLC, I promise you it wasn’t my intention to tempt the wrath believe you me. Lmao. Celestina007 (talk) 00:22, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- you may want to turn off the MOS:CURLY quotes? oh my god, you tempted the wrath again. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:05, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, Thank you for your show of love, I’m equally glad to be back, I’ve really missed you all. Celestina007 (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear that! :( I hope you're doing all right, and I'm glad to have you back here. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:00, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, You are so sweet, Yes indeed, it was impromptu, I lost a family member so I travelled to U.S, Utah specifically to pay my last respects. Celestina007 (talk) 12:10, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
turning off curly quotes depends on the device :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:49, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron, Oh boy this made me laugh, you just had to bring west wing into this. Celestina007 (talk) 00:52, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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Question from Bikash patel office on Wikipedia:User access levels (15:11, 26 April 2022)
Hi how are you dear friend --Bikash patel office (talk) 15:11, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Please look at Peter Obi
Tag team probable vandalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Obi&action=history 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Seems like it has been taken care of. Reading Beans Talk to the Beans? 05:13, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Some flowers for you, dear
Hello, I've missed seeing you around the past week and am wondering how you are doing. Here are some very happy and healthy pink azaleas for you from my tiny urban garden. Netherzone (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Netherzone, NZ, thank you so much I’m indeed okay. I lost a family member in Utah so I travelled to U.S to pay my last respects, I’m back home now though. I really appreciate the show of love and concern, I appreciate the flowers too. Thanks love. Celestina007 (talk) 12:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- So sorry about your lost, my condolences. Karissa 247 (talk) 12:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. Celestina007 (talk) 12:35, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm very sorry to hear about your family loss but am glad you were able to travel to Utah to pay your last respects. It sounds as though your relative was surrounded with love. Utah is such a beautiful place, I hope this beauty was somewhat restorative. The stars at night, the big sky, the land...it's understandably why that area is often referred to as God's Country. Take good care. Netherzone (talk) 13:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Netherzone, It is indeed, the inexplicable aura of love did Infact radiate and resonate throughout the entirety of my being. I really cannot thank you and all other editors who have constantly been mailing me enough, all of the messages and show of love and support rejuvenated me. I’m really appreciative of the love. I do not take it for granted. Thanks NZ, you’re such a sweetheart. Celestina007 (talk) 17:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- So sorry about your lost, my condolences. Karissa 247 (talk) 12:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
RE: MAKAYLA MALAKA
Hello Celestina,
Trust you are well.
Do you mind checking my draft work on Makayla Malaka as I have made some changes in the referencing as you advised earlier. Thank you.
N.B: I am yet to submit the article.Karissa 247 (talk) 12:22, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Honestly please just stop. You are very close to becoming an SPA promo account, seriously just stop already. No matter the adjustments you claim to have made the sourcing is absent. I have painstakingly analyzed the sources for you elsewhere what else do you then seek from me? Alright can you show me here any three sources that satisfy RS & GNG? Celestina007 (talk) 12:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Karissa 247, I’m assuming you haven’t seen the message above thus I’m pinging you to draw your attention to it, in summary I’m saying the article and it’s sources are one giant pre packaged sponsored material, but for the benefit of doubt can you go through WP:RS and show me any three sources discussing the subject of the article which satisfies RS & WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 16:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
SunShine
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Hello Celestina007! ─ The Aafī (talk) has given you a bit of sunshine to brighten your day! Sunshine promotes WikiLove and hopefully it has made your day better. Spread the sunshine by adding {{subst:User:Meaghan/Sunshine}} to someone else's talk page, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. In addition, you can spread the sunshine to anyone who visits your userpage and/or talk page by adding {{User:Meaghan/Sunshine icon}}. Happy editing! ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC) |
- Thanks love. I appreciate you. Celestina007 (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope you are doing well. :) ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- TheAafi, I am indeed, many a night I worried about the state of the encyclopedia and how my absence may allow for certain things to occur but thankfully, whenever this crossed my mind, I was relieved whenever I also remembered Praxidicae, yourself Timtrent, MER-C, were active & more than capable of holding the fort. Celestina007 (talk) 18:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- “People want to be free from Firawn, however it is more important that we try to be free from Firawnism”. — Manazir Ahsan Gilani —per [19]. Interestingly, I saw your essay and thought asking you, would you consider my above source as "unreliable" and some sort of indication towards "UPE", because it does contain the "Guest author" tag but it does mention the author's name. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 18:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- AafiOnMobile, are you familiar with what an op-Ed source is? It seems as though the source you provided is a quintessential example of a good op-Ed source, if the byline reads guest editor and they proceed to provide an author, then as aforementioned that is example of a good op-Ed source, but it is my candid opinion you stay away from both op-Ed sources or any form of opinion piece(s). They hardly ever count to notability. Celestina007 (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Never, not never, worry about Wikipedia.
- It is here to be enjoyed, not worried about.
- We will never beat them all, but those we beat we will enjoy beating. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, some teachers enjoy beating, yeah ... ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 19:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- @AafiOnMobile You add a new dimension to UPE hunting 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, wise words indeed old friend. Celestina007 (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- @AafiOnMobile You add a new dimension to UPE hunting 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, some teachers enjoy beating, yeah ... ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 19:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- We will never beat them all, but those we beat we will enjoy beating. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- AafiOnMobile, are you familiar with what an op-Ed source is? It seems as though the source you provided is a quintessential example of a good op-Ed source, if the byline reads guest editor and they proceed to provide an author, then as aforementioned that is example of a good op-Ed source, but it is my candid opinion you stay away from both op-Ed sources or any form of opinion piece(s). They hardly ever count to notability. Celestina007 (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- “People want to be free from Firawn, however it is more important that we try to be free from Firawnism”. — Manazir Ahsan Gilani —per [19]. Interestingly, I saw your essay and thought asking you, would you consider my above source as "unreliable" and some sort of indication towards "UPE", because it does contain the "Guest author" tag but it does mention the author's name. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 18:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- TheAafi, I am indeed, many a night I worried about the state of the encyclopedia and how my absence may allow for certain things to occur but thankfully, whenever this crossed my mind, I was relieved whenever I also remembered Praxidicae, yourself Timtrent, MER-C, were active & more than capable of holding the fort. Celestina007 (talk) 18:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope you are doing well. :) ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Aside from Nigeria, some relaxation
Would you, and any talk page stalkers who wish to, please look at Dorothy Hewett. I have alienated the creating editor with difficult to receive advice with good intent and wish not to interact with them further. Indeed, I am not sure I am likely to be listened to. I have no desire to influence you further, except to say that I believe the current main editor would benefit from friendly and positive advice in order to enhance their time on Wikipedia 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, would look into it mate. Celestina007 (talk) 21:48, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- If there is advice required it needs care in the giving of it 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
I have just looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Nigeria
I was curious, because I just added one to it. An interesting(!) selection 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, Shall we take this to ANI? They are literally deliberately inserting wrong information to the articles they created, that should warrant revocation of their editing privileges permanently or in the very least a temporal block. Celestina007 (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I wonder about the usefulness of ANI in areas like this. The deception is subtle, and many people will not notice it. It takes a nose for these things. I think they might have one worthwhile article, though even then I am unsure. Sometimes good quality happens by accident. We can rip the rest away.
- There are some stinkers on that delsort list, and some I cannot be bothered with. Geography ones and 'when is a village not a village' are like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a oiun 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:40, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, better unblocked and in plain sight than block evading 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:40, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, If the editor in question is engaging in less than ethical practices, which I believe they are, I think I might know the original editor behind the account, I’m proceeding to connect the dots prior moving to file an SPI. This may sound outlandish but the reason I’m effective in nabbing possible unethical practices easily is because my brain interprets written words as though they are vocalized, I can’t explain it, so when a suspicious 'new editor' comes around and starts editing, their words are interpreted as a tone/voice in my mind/head, hence I can tell the sock master easily. This bothered me until I saw an entry by JBW which explained my condition they said something along the lines of "People make certain little remarks that are so unique to them that they do not even know when this betrays their true identity". Celestina007 (talk) 11:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- You have a special form of Synasthesia. Others have different effects. No wonder you are so effective. I am starting tio smell a dirty sock drawer. I just don't know whose it is. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, Ah! I was oblivious of the fact that the condition has a name. Thanks for this piece of information. Celestina007 (talk) 20:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Someone in my family hears musical notes in colours. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:04, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, that sounds super cool!!! Celestina007 (talk) 23:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, Ah! I was oblivious of the fact that the condition has a name. Thanks for this piece of information. Celestina007 (talk) 20:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Timtrent, If the editor in question is engaging in less than ethical practices, which I believe they are, I think I might know the original editor behind the account, I’m proceeding to connect the dots prior moving to file an SPI. This may sound outlandish but the reason I’m effective in nabbing possible unethical practices easily is because my brain interprets written words as though they are vocalized, I can’t explain it, so when a suspicious 'new editor' comes around and starts editing, their words are interpreted as a tone/voice in my mind/head, hence I can tell the sock master easily. This bothered me until I saw an entry by JBW which explained my condition they said something along the lines of "People make certain little remarks that are so unique to them that they do not even know when this betrays their true identity". Celestina007 (talk) 11:41, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
, Timtrent, I was a little scared when you mentioned that what I go through is a documented medical condition, I went to see a specialist and indeed confirmed that I had Synasthesia, I asked if it was curable and they pretty much said no, because it is imbedded in my genetic make up. I’d be lying if I said this didn’t bother but I guess it’s all for the best. It can be scary, to be honest this condition is probably the reason I can easily detect undeclared paid editing as you rightfully said, how it works as I stated earlier is my brain interprets written words as they are spoken/vocalized. In the same manner the 7.9 billion people have their own distinctive handwriting, it works in a similar manner In my head, you see, to me, every Wikipedian has or possess a distinctive manner of writing which my brain interprets as sounds, thus I easily can tell when an editor is socking or engaging in meat puppetry. Oh well, I choose to believe it a blessing rather than something to be scared about, using, on a more jovial note, using my mutant abilities I have succeeded in locating the sock master of that editor (who is evading a ban actually) and I have filed the report promised, See here. Celestina007 (talk) 12:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is part of who you are. Just embrace it and glory in it. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 07:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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Quick AWB Question
Hi! Always good to see you wander across my watch list. Re: this edit, should I also change the capitalization on Executive Director? I'm not disagreeing with your edit at all, I'm just not sure since they're both titles and it seems they should be treated the same? Thanks! Star Mississippi 02:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, I've made the correction. President of the United States is styled as president of the United States, so I think those offices should be decapped. Reading Beans Talk to the Beans? 08:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC) I’m a stalk?
- Thanks Reading Beans. And definitely not reverting, I just wasn't sure why it wasn't the same for both, which you clarified. Thanks both! Star Mississippi 13:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Star Mississippi, Star, I’m so sorry for the late response, in Nigeria, today is a public holiday as our Muslim brothers and sisters celebrate Eid al-Fitr Sallah, so for the better part of the day I went around sharing food in my community. I’m a Christian btw, so once again I’m sorry for the late response, have you gotten the answer you earlier sought for? Celestina007 (talk) 22:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, it wasn't time sensitive. Hope you had a wonderful holiday with the practicing members of your community. And yes, thank you. @Reading Beans explained it and did the edit directly. Star Mississippi 01:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
How are you?
Celestina007, how are you doing? Been awhile, I got saw your contributions yesterday and decided to drop in today. Sorry for the loss of your family member, accept my condolences.
I noticed you extended occultist activity from May to August and I was wondering if I could help you out. Just write the names of the people you’re intending to write about and I’ll do the creating. They might be largely stubs, but I believe it will motivate you to improve them whenever you deem fit..
Furthermore, stay safe. Reading Beans Talk to the Beans? 08:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Reading Beans, Thanks I appreciate the love, I really do, the love the entirety of this collaborative project has shown me via email is extremely exponential, I don’t believe I can respond to them all. Okay, straight to business, I’m not sure your diff is what you think it is, by August I intend to create a mailing list for those working in anti-spam and not create biographical articles on occultists. Creating biographical articles on occultists is something I would do any day and any time if I ever came across any occultist with encyclopedic value lacking Wikipedia entry. I would however be grateful if you know of any occultists (Preferably Nigerian) and suggest them to me. Once again thank you for the love. Celestina007 (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
More Progress
After I noticed two strange accounts editing Nigeria related articles, I suspected one to be a sock of the other(master sock) hence I dug deep into the history of the suspected master account and I noticed they were editing in the topic areas UPE editors frequent thus I filed a report and not only were they mere socks, but both accounts belonged to the banned serial abuser named Buysomebananas, see this. Note that Praxidicae was one who did all the heavy lifting and was very much integral in taking down this socks, without her input, not much would have been accomplished. Celestina007 (talk) 18:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for cleaning up Reintegration of Transnistria I've added some categories to it :) Fourdots2 (talk) 08:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I’m happy you are happy :) Celestina007 (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
A quick thank you
For your kind words of support for my autopatrol request. I really appreciate it! Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:29, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- There’s nothing I wouldn’t do to support or protect those I care about. You’re a serial content creator and you were overqualified for it anyway :) Celestina007 (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Tech News: 2022-19
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Administrators' newsletter – May 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).
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- Following an RfC, a change has been made to the administrators inactivity policy. Under the new policy, if an administrator has not made at least 100 edits over a period of 5 years they may be desysopped for inactivity.
- Following a discussion on the bureaucrat's noticeboard, a change has been made to the bureaucrats inactivity policy.
- The ability to undelete the associated talk page when undeleting a page has been added. This was the 11th wish of the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey.
- A public status system for WMF wikis has been created. It is located at https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ and is hosted separately to WMF wikis so in the case of an outage it will remain viewable.
- Remedy 2 of the St Christopher case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages from those pages.
My wife, are you back home yet?
Celestina007, how are you? Have you made it back to Naija safely? O.ominirabluejack (talk) 11:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @O.ominirabluejack: "my wife"? —usernamekiran (talk) 09:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Don't be alarmed, usernamekiran... Friendly banter. I should be so lucky. 🤣
- O.ominirabluejack (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Friendly banter or not, it would probably be better to skip it next time. Same goes for the last bit of your response to usernamekiran. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Adamant1, usernamekiran, that’s Jack he’s a friend. I call that friendly fire. I do intend to formally appreciate you all, but I’m currently not at optimal health. Celestina007 (talk) 02:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Friendly banter or not, it would probably be better to skip it next time. Same goes for the last bit of your response to usernamekiran. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- O.ominirabluejack (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Tech News: 2022-20
18:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Celestina
I read that you were in the hospital and recently released. I trust you are somewhat better being home but still would like to extend my love and support for you during a difficult time. You are cherished and my thoughts drift your way multiple times a day. Be encouraged and strengthened. Life is a journey fraught with bumps, twists and turns but though the goal is the finish line never forget the importance of the character building journey itself. In regards to your health and wholeness, may my songs of love and healing be carried to you upon the wind. --ARoseWolf 14:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Is everything okay? I hope you are well. What happened? —usernamekiran (talk) 16:27, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Celestina007 case request declined
The case request, Celestina007, that you were a party to has been declined by the committee. You can view the declined case request through this wikilink. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello Celestina007,
At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.
Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.
In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 732 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 1034 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.
This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.
If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}}
on their talk page.
If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.
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Hey, Hiii!
Greetings Cele! Before you go find me come, I say make I come report myself. 😊 Hope you're doing great? May 16, the Tyap language translation project my colleagues and I have been working on since 2020 got a Wikipedia subdomain, kcg.wikipedia.org . I should have told you earlier sha, ẹ ma binu. Translation is quite an interesting aspect of Wikimedia. Kambai Akau (talk) 07:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Tech News: 2022-22
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Administrators' newsletter – June 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).
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- Several areas of improvement collated from community member votes have been identified in the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines. The areas of improvement have been sent back for review and you are invited to provide input on these areas.
- Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
- The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.
- Remedy 2 of the Rachel Marsden case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to delete or reduce to a stub, together with their talk pages, articles related to Rachel Marsden when they violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy.
- An arbitration case regarding WikiProject Tropical Cyclones has been closed.
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