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71.146.184.64
- Username
- 71.146.184.64 (talk · contribs) (filter log)
- Page you were editing
- Ryan Ogren (filter log)
- Description
- I am trying to update Ryan Ogren's selected discography to include releases releases credited to him by A List music artists. I also deleted some older credits so that the discography was more selective.
- Date and time
- 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Yep, it's a false positive. Rusty4321 talk contributions log 02:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Done and a change to the filter may be needed. Rusty4321 talk contributions log 02:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- No workable change possible. It's a shame that we have to do it this way, but there's no way to distinguish a good-faith edit with three combined instances of "slut" and "bitch" in it from a bad-faith one. And the vast majority will be bad-faith. Dealing with that restriction is part of the price of logged-out editing, just like running into semi-protected pages. Again, a shame, but unavoidable. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:19, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, despite saying that, I did get thinking about all the FPs we get for track listings. I tested 384 with added rules
!(old_wikitext rlike "!\s*Album" & new_wikitext rlike "!\s*Album")
and across the past 2,000 hits we would have had four sets of false negatives [1] [2] [3] [4] to this one avoided false positive. In the past 2,000 for 380, we have [5] [6] and [7]. Perhaps some much more complex regex could look specifically for additions to a track list table but I think that would be pretty tempermental. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:54, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, despite saying that, I did get thinking about all the FPs we get for track listings. I tested 384 with added rules
{{EFFP|noarchive}}
🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 05:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)- See section 198.89.64.249 below as well, or, if archived, Special:PermaLink/1079986591#198.89.64.249. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- And again. casualdejekyll 12:09, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- See section 198.89.64.249 below as well, or, if archived, Special:PermaLink/1079986591#198.89.64.249. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- No workable change possible. It's a shame that we have to do it this way, but there's no way to distinguish a good-faith edit with three combined instances of "slut" and "bitch" in it from a bad-faith one. And the vast majority will be bad-faith. Dealing with that restriction is part of the price of logged-out editing, just like running into semi-protected pages. Again, a shame, but unavoidable. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:19, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Suffusion of Yellow: Do you see any way around these track-list FPs? One could do a more complex regex to whitelist the words in question when added to something with the heading "Track list" or similar, or containing "!Album", but there's a lot of variation in format. Whitelisting anything about albums would do more harm than good, I think. I'm still inclined to think these fall into the category of unavoidable FPs and, sadly, the cost of doing business for those who choose not to register accounts. Philosophically, anyone who edits as an IP trades on the collective good faith of other IPs, both in their allocated range and in general. If I wanted to edit logged-out on my mobile connection, I wouldn't be able to, because it's softblocked due to abuse by others on the network. If someone wants to in good faith add the word "slut" to articles while logged out, they can't, because that's been done in bad faith too many times by other IPs or non-AC users. So I think I'm comfortable WONTFIXing this... If it becomes more of an issue as we move more toward a world where profanity in works' titles and encyclopedically relevant quotes is more common (said uncritically! I'm no prude), I think the better solution would be moving FPs on profanity filters to an edit-request system rather than EFFP, and just telling people to temporarily save their edits in censored format. But I'm pinging you, SoY, because maybe in this case you can think of something elegant than I can. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:03, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: I'm currently leaning with
!(str_replace(new_wikitext, "|}", "@") irlike ("!\s*Album[^@]*(?:" + bad_word + ")"))
, which should, in theory, only allow edits inside the table. I hate the str_replace() hack, but using a negative lookahead gives a mysterious syntax error on a few hits (same as with 1112). It also won't help with prose (In 2022, he released his new single, "Let's Fuck This Shit Up" ...) but I guess it's better than nothing. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:22, 29 March 2022 (UTC)- @Suffusion of Yellow: If we're going to do that, would there be a way to also cover something like
==+\s*(songs|singles|track list(ing)?|albums|discography)\s*==+
? Also, is there a reason to use @ there rather than, like, some unused Unicode codepoint? Oh also, one more question, while we're on the topic of 384 and 380, in 384, doesn't the currentdick_names
logic mean that "fuck Mr. Dick" would be an FN? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 21:39, 29 March 2022 (UTC)- As to @, no idea why, it was just the first character that came to mind. As to "fuck Mr. Dick", yes, but it would be best to test any such change in a log-only filter first. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Suffusion of Yellow: If we're going to do that, would there be a way to also cover something like
- @Tamzin: I'm currently leaning with
- Another example that may be of reference. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 22:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin, Suffusion of Yellow, and EpicPupper: Does the pinned template need to be removed yet? Rusty4321 talk contributions log 19:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Rusty4321: Sorry, got sidetracked by the PHP bug. I still might do something about this. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin, Suffusion of Yellow, and EpicPupper: Does the pinned template need to be removed yet? Rusty4321 talk contributions log 19:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- agreed 162.223.102.138 (talk) 19:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed @Tamzin:. Ok, added this to 384 (hist · log):Not going to update any other filter yet; I want to see how well this works. But feel free to unpin if you can't improve on that. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
!(page_title irlike "discography") & !(str_replace(new_wikitext, "==", "\x01") irlike ("\x01.*(?:songs|singles|track list(?:ing)?|albums|discography).*\x01[^\x01]*(?:" + bad_word + ")"))
- @Tamzin, Suffusion of Yellow, and EpicPupper: Template has been deactivated. Rusty4321 talk contributions log 02:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Rusty4321: Actually, I'm going to re-add it as a reminder to us that we need to keep an eye on how this is working. Pinned – This thread has been pinned and will not be archived until this template has been removed. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 18:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Compassionate727: Before you replied, I actually realized my mistake. Signed, Rusty4321 talk contributions log 22:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Rusty4321: Actually, I'm going to re-add it as a reminder to us that we need to keep an eye on how this is working. Pinned – This thread has been pinned and will not be archived until this template has been removed. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 18:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin, Suffusion of Yellow, and EpicPupper: Template has been deactivated. Rusty4321 talk contributions log 02:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
5.217.185.54
- Username
- 5.217.185.54 (talk · contribs) (filter log)
- Page you were editing
- Page not specified
- Description
- Date and time
- 01:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Note: No filter hits for posting user. PHANTOMTECH (talk) 01:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- In fact, there were no filter hits for any anonymous user in 5.0.0.0/8 within the two hours preceding this report, so this can't be a case of the IP changing either (unless it's a report made very late after the edit). Without knowing the page either, I don't think there's anything we can do about this report. --ais523 02:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
South Asian Institute of Policy and Governance
- Username
- South Asian Institute of Policy and Governance (talk · contribs) (filter log)
- Page you were editing
- User:South Asian Institute of Policy and Governance/sandbox (filter log)
- Description
- Date and time
- 05:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comments
- Report fixed – An automated bot has added the page title from last triggered filter to this report. (automated comment) — MajavahBot (talk · contributions) 05:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Private – This filter is private, and the request needs to be evaluated by an edit filter helper or manager. (automated comment) — MajavahBot (talk · contributions) 05:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)