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Proposed deletion of List of tourist attractions in China
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The article List of tourist attractions in China has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Policies violated by this page:
WP:NLIST Not all of the entries discussed as a set by independent reliable sources.
WP:NOTDIRECTORY "Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit."WP:NOTGUIDE Wikipedia is not a travel guide. We have Wikitravel for that, and many of these pages could be recreated (or already are) there.
The core content policies are: 1) neutral point of view, 2) no original research and 3) verifiability. This page violages policies 2 and 3.
WP:VERIFY What are the criteria to meet to be in the list? This page has vague or no criteria. By definition, then, there is no way to verify the inclusion or exclusion of any particular site in the list.
WP:NOR Original research "includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." Who says that each of the items in the list are tourist attractions? Given the lack of inclusion criteria, that's understandable, as there is no need to justify being in a list that doesn't have standards for inclusion. However, that also points to original research as being the source for inclusion.
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Proposed deletion of List of tourist attractions in Hong Kong
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The article List of tourist attractions in Hong Kong has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Policies violated by this page:
WP:NLIST Not all of the entries discussed as a set by independent reliable sources.
WP:NOTDIRECTORY "Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit."WP:NOTGUIDE Wikipedia is not a travel guide. We have Wikitravel for that, and many of these pages could be recreated (or already are) there.
The core content policies are: 1) neutral point of view, 2) no original research and 3) verifiability. This page violages policies 2 and 3.
WP:VERIFY What are the criteria to meet to be in the list? This page has vague or no criteria. By definition, then, there is no way to verify the inclusion or exclusion of any particular site in the list.
WP:NOR Original research "includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." Who says that each of the items in the list are tourist attractions? Given the lack of inclusion criteria, that's understandable, as there is no need to justify being in a list that doesn't have standards for inclusion. However, that also points to original research as being the source for inclusion.
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
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will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 02:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of List of tourist attractions in Indonesia
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The article List of tourist attractions in Indonesia has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Policies violated by this page:
WP:NLIST Not all of the entries discussed as a set by independent reliable sources.
WP:NOTDIRECTORY "Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit."WP:NOTGUIDE Wikipedia is not a travel guide. We have Wikitravel for that, and many of these pages could be recreated (or already are) there.
The core content policies are: 1) neutral point of view, 2) no original research and 3) verifiability. This page violages policies 2 and 3.
WP:VERIFY What are the criteria to meet to be in the list? This page has vague or no criteria. By definition, then, there is no way to verify the inclusion or exclusion of any particular site in the list.
WP:NOR Original research "includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." Who says that each of the items in the list are tourist attractions? Given the lack of inclusion criteria, that's understandable, as there is no need to justify being in a list that doesn't have standards for inclusion. However, that also points to original research as being the source for inclusion.
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
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Why moved the page?
@Chongkian sire, I would like to ask you the reason, that why have you moved the more appealing and condensed title, Republic of Taiwan, Holy See to it's long form, "Embassy of the Republic of China (Taiwan) to the Holy See. please see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (government and legislation). Please, don't make it a stand out article from others. follow the standard, that is being used in naming the diplomatic missions. Please, refrain from using the long, official, governmental names (Please do not include the official names of the country, as the rest diplomatic missions never use them, anyways, and aren't used here as well.)Utkarsh555 17:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, I was just reverting the article name to the original Embassy of the Republic of China to the Holy See which that article name was named as such since 12 March 2016 and everyone agreed to that for the past 6 years, before you moved it to the new name on 23 February 2022 without any consensus in your edit summary. When you wish to move an article, please have a consensus first and invite people from WikiProject Taiwan to have a discussion on that. You didn't even write in your edit summary (on any agreed consensus regarding the name) when you moved the article. You are also not even the member of WikiProject Taiwan, the page where all of these kind of discussion have been taking place. Based on the WP:NCGAL, the very first point says 'Use official names in article titles', in which that Embassy of the Republic of China (Taiwan) to the Holy See is exactly written in their official English-language website of the embassy. Based on MOS:NC-CN, the term People's Republic of China is used when discussing about politics or diplomatic relations, thus the same applied to the Republic of China. For Taiwan case, due to their political nature, their representative office's name is really unique with case by case basis. For countries which recognize Republic of China as the sole government of China, the term Embassy of the Republic of China is used. While those countries who recognize People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of China, they will use Taipei Representative Office or even Taiwan Representative Office (for Lithuania and Somaliland) and their variant. Each of this has their own reason, and thus can't be standardize for every Taiwan's embassy or representative office to be just Taiwan Embassy of xxx. Over time, these naming might change due to political change across the Taiwan Strait, thus exact official naming is really desired to represent the current situation of Taiwan/ROC's diplomatic relations. Chongkian (talk) 00:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Chongkian Ok, but then why don't every country is made to use it's official name? Utkarsh555 09:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Military Intelligence Bureau
- The page is translated done and edited. Since the article had a major restructuring, you may make a rating. --Beta Lohman※Office box 19:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. The article looks good enough already to be rated C-class article per WP:CCLASS. For some improvement, you can also add the short description per WP:SHORTDES and also its official website inside infobox and external link section if any per WP:ELOFFICIAL. You might also want to translate the list of reference titles listed there into English (for the non-English title) per Template:Cite web. Also to post the photo of the organization headquarters building inside infobox if any. And you might want to write down the name of the incumbent Director-General and Deputy Director-General of the organization inside the infobox. :) Chongkian (talk) 05:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I made 3 main edits today. I archived all the links in the article. Then, I translated the web titles and also marked in Khaki color to improve readability. Also, I added the director's name (I may request to recover the deleted page) in the infobox. As for the photo, I will try look into if any place has it. I also wonder why do you suggest to translate the titles. Those sites are all in Chinese. Would it increase the rating by the way? I don't think the reader would click the links in Chinese. It's a fully translation, though. --Beta Lohman※Office box 02:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, that one (to translate the non-English title), I think that is part of the referencing rule in Wikipedia. Non-English sources is acceptable, but when the title is not in English, then we only need to translate the title only, by adding the 'language=' and 'trans-title=' as part of the citation with the full coding/syntax written inside Template:Cite web page. Usually that will help the English-speaking readers inside Wikipedia. Same like when you write in Chinese Wikipedia, then the English sources you need to translate the title from English to Chinese. Some of the English-speaking readers in English Wikipedia might still click and read the Chinese sources (by the help of Google Translate). A lot of people do that actually based on my experience. Of course if the information is available in English website, then we shall prioritize that one first over the Chinese website source per WP:NONENGEL. Like this Tainan Mosque article that I wrote, the reference number 6 is a Chinese source, in which I translate the title to English in the 'reflist' part and add the language of the news source (台南清真寺隱身社區透天厝 平日大門深鎖 [The Hidden Community of Tainan Mosque, Locked on Weekdays] (in Chinese).). That is one of the example. [[Chongkian (talk) 03:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I see. --Beta Lohman※Office box 03:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I came here to inform. I plan to remove the English translation on the titles of Chinese media. The MIB has been nominated for weekly translation. Then it would affect the versions in multiple languages if it's promoted on the agenda. So it shall be kept with original titles.--Beta Lohman※Office box 05:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Newtalk
- Hey, you may do a favor. The Taiwanese media Newtalk has no article here. You need to create one. This media become frequently quoted by some articles that I edited. --Beta Lohman※Office box 07:07, 15 June 2022 (UTC)