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sources 71.223.84.215 (talk) 15:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, you wish to discus some? Slatersteven (talk) 15:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Photo of Jared Taylor and Jesse Jackson: Nothing could be more incongruous than the inclusion of this picture in the entry about the white supremacist. An otherwise excellent article is marred by a photo of Rev. Jackson shaking hands with the American Renaissance leader. Without casting doubt on the authenticity of the photograph, there can be no doubt that its implications are wrong. The picture by its very existence implies cordiality between two men whose lives could be more different. Putting this picture there is pure deceit. The photo should be replaced by one featuring Taylor with someone else. 2600:1700:F610:DB00:81A8:FE09:12B7:89FD (talk) 07:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have any RS that cast doubt on it? Slatersteven (talk) 09:35, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
Jared Taylor is NOT part of a "white supremacist movement"
Who is in control of this article? Can you tell me which "white supremacist movement" Mr. Taylor belongs to?? He simply wants white people to be able to pursue their own destiny and to be able to voluntarily segregate if they want to. You need to prove to the readers that he is a white supremacist in order to keep that in this article. 99.6.61.222 (talk) 23:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- No one person controls any articles. And the "proof" can be found in the citations. You can find them by clicking the superscript bracketed numbers (e.g, [2]) EvergreenFir (talk) 23:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- I read those "citations". Just because the New York Times and Washington Post called him a white supremacist, that makes it true? Are you joking? Again, where is the proof? He makes it clear in all of his speeches where that subject comes up that he "does not wish to rule over other races". Can you please link me to any actual evidence? As for this article, yes someone or some group owns it. Unlike normal articles where anyone can make changes, this one is locked. 99.6.61.222 (talk) 23:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Far left newspapers are obviously going to call people like Jared Taylor a "white supremacist". This is not proof of anything. I need an audio clip or video of Jared Taylor incriminating himself by saying or doing something that fits the definition of white supremacy. 99.6.61.222 (talk) 00:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, well, if YOU need it then I guess we'll just have to satisfy you... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- It's not just me. The person (or people) responsible for adding the references to white supremacy in this article are misinforming ALL of the readers about Jared Taylor. Just because a far-left newspaper says he's a white supremacist doesn't make him one. There needs to be evidence or else this article contains misinformation, as the claim is only a hunch (at best). 99.6.61.222 (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- This would violate wp:or, we do not check sources for accuracy, we assume that is they are RS they have done the fact-checking themselves. This is called wp:policy, and if you wish to change that this talk page of not the venue. Slatersteven (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- It's not just me. The person (or people) responsible for adding the references to white supremacy in this article are misinforming ALL of the readers about Jared Taylor. Just because a far-left newspaper says he's a white supremacist doesn't make him one. There needs to be evidence or else this article contains misinformation, as the claim is only a hunch (at best). 99.6.61.222 (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, well, if YOU need it then I guess we'll just have to satisfy you... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- "He simply wants white people to be able to pursue their own destiny and to be able to voluntarily segregate if they want to. " Which is one of several forms of white supremacist language. "We white people need to get away from the dirty dregs of everyone else." --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- We go by what RS say, NOr do we have to prove anything, RS are enough.Slatersteven (talk)
OK lets play a game
Source for White supremacists
https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jared-taylor
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/politics/donald-trump-supremacists.html
Your turn
Sources saying he is not a white supremacist
Slatersteven (talk) 14:07, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Anybody can call anyone anything, just like in THIS wp article. That doesn't make it true. We all know our media is biased. As for your Richard Spencer article, show me where TAYLOR wants to work for/with Spencer. Show me where he agreed. I doesn't matter what Spencer said.
- Consider this scenario: Newspaper X calls Mr. Smith a domestic terrorist. Website Y cites X and uses that as evidence and so it claims it's true. Website Z cites Y. When asked, Newspaper X cites Y and Z. It's all a bunch of hearsay and everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else. Unless there is evidence that Mr. Smith committed domestic terrorism OR a recording of Smith admitting he is a terrorist, the claim is unsound. It doesn't mean it's TRUE but it doesn't mean it's FALSE either. However, saying something of this magnitude is true really is libel unless it can be proven. 99.6.61.222 (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- So no then, you do not have one source that contests this, end of story. Slatersteven (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Joe, you stole $1000 out of the cash register." "No, I didn't! Was the camera on? Look at the footage" "No, no footage but I know you did it." "Prove it." "So you did it then because you can't show me ONE shred of evidence that you DIDN'T do it."
- ^^^^
- Same thing. I can't prove he's not a white supremacist just as you can't prove he is. So, when in doubt, WP shouldn't mention it.
- I'm done too though. End of story. Keep up the good libelous work :) 99.6.61.222 (talk) 17:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Atkins, S.E. (2011). Encyclopedia of Right-Wing Extremism In Modern American History. ABC-CLIO. p. 59. ISBN 978-1-59884-351-4. Retrieved August 14, 2023. Moxy-
20:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- Atkins, S.E. (2011). Encyclopedia of Right-Wing Extremism In Modern American History. ABC-CLIO. p. 59. ISBN 978-1-59884-351-4. Retrieved August 14, 2023. Moxy-
- So no then, you do not have one source that contests this, end of story. Slatersteven (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)