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DYK for Paradigm Lost
![]() | On 11 May 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Paradigm Lost, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the "pathbreaking" book Paradigm Lost recommends abandoning the two-state solution in favor of equal rights for all inhabitants of Israel and Palestine? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Paradigm Lost. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Paradigm Lost), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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DYK for Death to Arabs
![]() | On 14 May 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Death to Arabs, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that an Israeli football club whose fans regularly shout "death to Arabs" is half-owned by an Arab Sheik? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Death to Arabs. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Death to Arabs), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
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Your hook reached 10,751 views (448.0 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of May 2022 – nice work! |
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Your GAR
Hi,
I just wanted you to know that I started a GAR for UBS before realizing you did the same months ago! (Your review is still pending however)... feel free to cut and my paste my comments into your section as needed. Kind regards. Swiss romulus (talk) 21:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
DYK for 2022 British barristers' industrial action
![]() | On 16 May 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2022 British barristers' industrial action, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that British barristers are on strike to protest against underfunding in the criminal justice system? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2022 British barristers' industrial action. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 2022 British barristers' industrial action), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Christianization of the Roman Empire as diffusion of innovation
Hey Buidhe! As you can see, I have completely rewritten CRE having taken every criticism and every suggestion of change and incorporated them all into the new article. The three guys that quick-failed it without giving me a chance to fix anything, called it a sermon, and asked for a more conventional view based on old scholarship, are apparently unwilling to comment now that the changes they asked for have been made. I think this is an important article that WP needs, and I want it to be recognized. I want it to be well done, and I don't think I can make that determination by myself. Will you help me? Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jenhawk777! Thanks for all your work on this topic. I'm not sure whether this article is intended as a substitute for Christianization of the Roman Empire or is a sub-article of that. The focus on diffusion seems appropriate, although I think the article might benefit from a clearer distinction between cause and effect. Another thing I like about the article is covering the aftermath/legacy to a greater extent than previous versions I've seen. This is just a nitpick but I do think the reference to trickle-down economics in "very little of which ever trickled down to them" seems anachronistic; I would rewrite as the rural peasants produced much of the empire's wealth but enjoyed much less. (t · c) buidhe 21:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're right, it is anachronistic. I noticed that when someone else came along and bracketed it, and the link went to "Reagonomics". I knew I'd have to change it. Now that someone else has noticed it too, I will do so immediately. I did extend the time period - you were right about it needing it. I just didn't want to because the other one was already too long, and I knew it. So, yeah, this is a replacement. I thought perhaps I could just put a redirect to this one - once I actually write a lead and publish it. I don't understand what you mean by 'a clearer distinction between cause and effect'. Could you elaborate? Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Jenhawk777 An example of what I mean by cause and effect is the "Social environment of the new idea" section, which deals a lot with how different Christian teachings may have attracted converts, but the "sexual morality" section discusses the effect of Christian teachings on societal standards. (t · c) buidhe 02:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- The effect was conversion. I thought – hoped – that was implied. Everything discussed here is about conversion - that's all sociology explains: how Rome was converted. The impact of it is probably a whole other article - and may be impossible to trace in non-tangible terms. Conversion is a tangible act and numbers of converts and time frames can be traced - to some degree - and that is probably as much effect as we can nail down.
- I have included some effects, since you recommended up front that I be sure and tie each of these characteristics to claims they actually affected conversion rates, but that has been the sole focus: the single effect of conversion.
While this situation was not the sole reason for the group's growth, it was a significant factor"
andthis message must have made a major impact on the thinking of Christian congregations and those with whom they interacted
,may have lessened their sexual use and their reproductive value and impacted slavery directly.[143]
andshaped late ancient feelings, tastes, and opinions concerning it, and this may have indirectly impacted its practice.
I am currently looking for more on the economic argument, but there is not much more that can actually be said on slavery since no one knows how many slaves there actually were. I'm sorry. The evidence is simply limited. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)- I don't mean to be argumentative. You always make intelligent suggestions, and I may very well not be understanding you completely. I was able to include the impact of sexual morality because it was that way in the sources. I was able to include an effect in gladiators for the same reason. I discussed the lack of effect of the Code. But if I didn't include an effect other than conversion, it means that's all I could find. If someone didn't study it and determine that A caused effect B, then all I could say was what is said.
- I am unsure how, but I can try rewriting what's there to make it clearer that the things mentioned probably influenced conversion, but that's all I can legitimately say. There are some individual records of people saying why they converted - which is cause and effect - but I have also tried to avoid 'why's' in an effort to focus on how alone. Please don't be annoyed with me. This is a very long complex and difficult subject that requires limitation or it becomes completely unmanageable. I'm sorry. I know it seems like I'm not cooperating - but I am, honestly! Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I recognize this is a difficult subject to tackle. You can always try again at GAN—we're running a drive in June. (t · c) buidhe 17:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- I would like to, but I want all the input I can get before then. I would like those who oppose this to input as that would have incredible value - as it already has, but I don't suppose I can make them! Anything you can add would be of value, I have no doubt. I suppose I should go write a lead of some sort! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I recognize this is a difficult subject to tackle. You can always try again at GAN—we're running a drive in June. (t · c) buidhe 17:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Jenhawk777 An example of what I mean by cause and effect is the "Social environment of the new idea" section, which deals a lot with how different Christian teachings may have attracted converts, but the "sexual morality" section discusses the effect of Christian teachings on societal standards. (t · c) buidhe 02:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're right, it is anachronistic. I noticed that when someone else came along and bracketed it, and the link went to "Reagonomics". I knew I'd have to change it. Now that someone else has noticed it too, I will do so immediately. I did extend the time period - you were right about it needing it. I just didn't want to because the other one was already too long, and I knew it. So, yeah, this is a replacement. I thought perhaps I could just put a redirect to this one - once I actually write a lead and publish it. I don't understand what you mean by 'a clearer distinction between cause and effect'. Could you elaborate? Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay, it's out there now! Unassessed as of yet. We'll see what happens. Thank you for all your input and help - always. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Hey
Can you please tell me what you think about this? Best, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
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This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.
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May 2022
From your comments for BTS during peer review, I've made a new edit for the sources you asked to be looked at and placed it in my Sandbox. Could you comment if this accomplishes what you had wanted to see and if it would work for the current Impact section in the BTS article? ErnestKrause (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- ErnestKrause, that looks like an improvement, but you still cite non-RS (i.e. Forbes contributors) and a high reliance on less high-quality, online sources that should be replaced by scholarly/retrospective accounts. The list of artists influenced by BTS does not seem to be all that helpful to me for understanding their impact. (The Beatles article is too long, but their legacy section looks decent)
- BTW are you still working on the James Madison article? If you don't actually plan to get it to FAC, it should be removed from GOCE/REQ—their resources are stretched quite thin right now. (t · c) buidhe 14:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- That second paragraph was optional with the Forbes citation and I've taken it out. Is the paragraph which is currently in my Sandbox what you prefer to see for including in the Impact section of the BTS article at this time? ErnestKrause (talk) 14:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Assassination of Gertrude of Merania
Hello! I intend to expand the article in the coming weeks, using modern academic works and (near-)contemporary chronicles. --Norden1990 (talk) 17:13, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Government of Fazlollah Zahedi
I've seen that you moved this article from a user's draft page. While doing this do you consider whether or not the page is sourced? Because this page does not cite any reference. --Egeymi (talk) 11:09, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I patrol the unsourced queue and often draftify articles that are 100% unsourced. (t · c) buidhe 13:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Redirect that was never discussed
What the heck?!? Who did a redirect and blanked Diffusion of innovation?? That was never discussed. I want that back! It should be a subpage and it was never discussed that it wouldn't be. How do I restore that? If people agree it should not be a subpage, it can be removed later, but this action was precipitate. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:09, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have put in a request for undeletion. The editors involved in the previous discussion about renaming diffusion did agree it could be a subpage, and since there was never a discussion about deleting it, it should be restored. Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- There was only agreement that it can't be the main page, there was never agreement - or even discussion - that it shouldn't exist at all.Jenhawk777 (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- So it would be better to simply revert the redirect? I can go do that right now. Then if you want to discuss this action, you can do so there. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:16, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello
Hello, Would I be able to ask you for help, or should I look for someone else? I don't want to be a bother. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C46:637F:A801:D930:AE91:38AA:455E (talk) 17:38, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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victim versus survivor
Hey Buidhe thanks for looking over my edits. I don't think that my edit summary was misleading because MOS:MED does include guidance about avoiding the use of the word victims. And most of my edit was focused on the use of suffer and other terminology, and those are worth keeping. Regardless, I tend to agree with you about using the word victim in this article. I made some few changes from victim to survivor to help make it clear that the victim hadn't died as that often happens.
Smasongarrison (talk) Smasongarrison (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison Hi, thanks for attempting to improve articles. I don't believe that MOS:MED is applicable, as torture is not a medical condition like cancer, but a human rights violation. Thus, I would avoid writing "cancer victims" but think "torture victims" is ok. I would have to recheck what it says in Kelly et al., but I believe he is referring both to those who have died and survive (and their families/communities) not being in a position to self-advocate. The second use of survivor is OK and I shouldn't have reverted it. I also don't see why "suffer" should be avoided in this article because torture is specifically about the deliberate infliction of suffering. (t · c) buidhe 17:22, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Let me clarify. I wasn't trying to remove all the uses of the word suffer because you're 100 correct that suffer is a goal of torture. I meant that this case "An average of 40 percent have long-term post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)," was originally written as suffer long-term post-traumatic disorder which I think does fall under mos:med. i'll make the changes you suggested if you haven't already. it sounds like we're pretty much on the same page. Thanks! Smasongarrison (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not fixed on a certain word choice in the sentence "An average of 40 percent.." but "have" seems too impersonal to me. (t · c) buidhe 17:41, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that it is impersonal, but that's the goal with describing chronic conditions or symptoms, rather than placing a value judgment on their experiences. This wiki essay might give you some context about the issue MOS:DISABILITIES. Smasongarrison (talk) Smasongarrison (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not fixed on a certain word choice in the sentence "An average of 40 percent.." but "have" seems too impersonal to me. (t · c) buidhe 17:41, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Let me clarify. I wasn't trying to remove all the uses of the word suffer because you're 100 correct that suffer is a goal of torture. I meant that this case "An average of 40 percent have long-term post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)," was originally written as suffer long-term post-traumatic disorder which I think does fall under mos:med. i'll make the changes you suggested if you haven't already. it sounds like we're pretty much on the same page. Thanks! Smasongarrison (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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Congrats, Buidhe! This time I wonder: has Hermione lent you her time-turner? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sadly not, Firefangledfeathers the secret to my high activity is having dropped out of college and having too much time on my hands. The good news is that if all goes well I'm starting an apprenticeship program soon and will have less time for Wikipedia editing. (t · c) buidhe 19:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I hope it all goes well! Though extra time might explain the volume of your output, it doesn't explain the preternaturally high quality. I continue to suspect intervention by aliens or spirits. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also wanted to stop by. Congratulations on another important article! And a sincere thank you for putting up with my quibbling; sometimes I feel guilty of demanding my own version of an article on a topic which I know nothing about. Also hope all goes well with your apprenticeship; that's really exciting. Ovinus (talk) 20:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I hope it all goes well! Though extra time might explain the volume of your output, it doesn't explain the preternaturally high quality. I continue to suspect intervention by aliens or spirits. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Congratulations: another star for your ever-growing constellation; another jewel for your crown, and an important one. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 21:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
question re possible roles
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GAR drive question
Hi there, just a quick question. Would a review that was "claimed" before 1 June but not reviewed at all until June began still be eligible for the backlog drive? My example in this case is Talk:Haley Cavinder/GA1; I opened the review with a simple "I'll review this in a bit" note on 26 May but did not leave comments or review the article until today. Thanks! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
PCN02WPS yes, it's eligible (t · c) buidhe 15:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Featured picture scheduled for POTD
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Photograph of Consolidated B-24 Liberators just after bombing the Concordia Vega oil refinery in Ploiești, Romania on 31 May 1944 during World War II. Strategic bombing during World War II involved sustained aerial attacks on railways, harbours, cities, workers' and civilian housing, and industrial districts in enemy territory during World War II (1939–1945). Strategic bombing as a military strategy is distinct both from close air support of ground forces and from tactical air power. During World War II, many military strategists of air power believed that air forces could win major victories by attacking industrial and political infrastructure, rather than purely military targets. Strategic bombing often involved bombing areas inhabited by civilians, and some campaigns were deliberately designed to target civilian populations in order to terrorize them and disrupt their usual activities. International law at the outset of World War II did not specifically forbid the aerial bombardment of cities – despite the prior occurrence of such bombing during World War I (1914–1918), the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939), and the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945). Photograph credit: Richard R. Ganczak ; restored by User:Buidhe
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Amiga Mía
Hello!
You claim on the GA backlog that I didn't check the sources on Amiga Mía, but I did! All those sources are reliable, I even asked the nominator to provide a source for a claim that he didn't have which he did and I read the said source. What's up with that? I can't check all because some are behind a paywall but I did check the vast majority. There is no OR. No source is dead since they are all archived. I even told him to remove some questionable ones, please provide me an explanation. I have done over 160 reviews and something isn't adding up.
Cheers, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- MarioSoulTruthFan Instructions have changed on this drive so we are now requiring source checks to accept an article on the drive. Unless I missed something, you didn't mention any source checks on the review page, so I had no way of knowing you had done them. I will pass the review now that you let me know. (t · c) buidhe 22:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will mention from now on that I checked the sources. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Talk:List of people who refused a British honour
Hello, Buidhe,
You left a comment on this talk page but there is no accompanying article by this title so the orphaned talk page was deleted, CSD G8. Did you intend to leave it somewhere else? Then I can restore and move the comment. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 23:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Already done at Talk:List of people who have declined a British honour! Sorry, did not realize I accidentally created this other page. (t · c) buidhe 23:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Vorpahavak
I did a complete overhual of the stub article and you reverted my edit. You Claimed it was because some of my information "Failed verification in the cited source". I have two questions
1) WHat facts failed verification
2) Why did you remove the entire article not just the acts that failed verificarion Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Greenhighwayconstruction you cited the 1914 encyclopedia source for most of the information, including "Additionally around 1000 Armenian boys were sent to Germany to work on farms and in mines." This is not found in the cited source. Furthermore, your edit is characterized by POV language such as "rescued" that isn't used in the most reliable sources (which you removed from the article...), as it isn't representative of the experiences of all affected individuals. Other content added had no source at all and inappropriate categorization was added. (t · c) buidhe 00:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- In regards to your first claim the source says "The other large-scale and long-distance Ottoman child-displacement caused by the war was the sending of about a thousand orphan boys in 1917 and 1918 to to be apprenticed in crafts, mines and farms." heres the source https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/children_and_youth_ottoman_empire_ottoman_empiremiddle_east. In regards to my alleged POV edit Saying that the Armenian children were rescued: Yes they were indeed rescued the article says they were "treated as nobodys children" and that CHILDREN were "a commodity to be possessed, kidnapped or reshaped. You also say "other content" is bad what is this Other content?" finally in regards to the encyclopedia i used its a very respected encyclopedia just look at its partners https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/project/partners/ Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 00:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Greenhighwayconstruction Maksudyan never says that these 1,000 Ottoman boys were all Armenian, and in reality they weren't. Also, if you read the sources, you would realize why "rescued" is not a NPOV word to use for these very complex experiences. It reflects the perspective of those doing the "rescuing" but not necessarily those on the receiving end. (t · c) buidhe 01:05, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ok i understand they may not have been all Armenian but that circles back to my second original question
- Why did you remove the entire article not just the facts that failed verificarion?
- In regards to the question of if they were being rescued a source you used https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article/115/5/1315/41289?login=false uses the term rescued Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 01:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Just because one source might use the term, does not mean it's appropriate as a description for all individuals concerned, as acknowledged by the source you link. The dictionary definition of "rescue" is "save (someone) from a dangerous or distressing situation", which is certainly appropriate for some but not all found their condition "distressing". As Watenpaugh points out, for those who did it was more common to escape themselves. Overall, I think that your edits lacked nuance. You're less likely to go wrong if you try to work with the scholarly sources available and try to summarize neutrally what they say. (t · c) buidhe 02:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Greenhighwayconstruction Maksudyan never says that these 1,000 Ottoman boys were all Armenian, and in reality they weren't. Also, if you read the sources, you would realize why "rescued" is not a NPOV word to use for these very complex experiences. It reflects the perspective of those doing the "rescuing" but not necessarily those on the receiving end. (t · c) buidhe 01:05, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- In regards to your first claim the source says "The other large-scale and long-distance Ottoman child-displacement caused by the war was the sending of about a thousand orphan boys in 1917 and 1918 to to be apprenticed in crafts, mines and farms." heres the source https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/children_and_youth_ottoman_empire_ottoman_empiremiddle_east. In regards to my alleged POV edit Saying that the Armenian children were rescued: Yes they were indeed rescued the article says they were "treated as nobodys children" and that CHILDREN were "a commodity to be possessed, kidnapped or reshaped. You also say "other content" is bad what is this Other content?" finally in regards to the encyclopedia i used its a very respected encyclopedia just look at its partners https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/project/partners/ Greenhighwayconstruction (talk) 00:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
GAN reviews
Hi buidhe! I saw you marked my review of Sound and language in Middle-earth as a bad one because sources were not checked. I believe it's a mistake. First, I wrote that sources are fine and are mostly by known Tolkien scholars - though I didn't write about it at length, it meant that I opened at least half of them and checked that everything is ok, no copyvio, and all quotes are attributed. Second, you can see that among my comments there is some source discussion, so I did check them. If you mean that every source should be checked and there should be a comment for each, I'll try to do it the next review. Best, Artem.G (talk) 03:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Artem.G it's not clear exactly what you mean by "All sources are fine". It's not necessary to check every single source, but it's helpful if you're doing spotchecks to write exactly what you've done. For example, one of the reviews I passed said "Spotcheck: 3 7 12 17 21 all fine". Otherwise, the person reading your review won't understand that you've done spotchecks. I've passed it based on this discussion. (t · c) buidhe 03:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Buidhe, I don't know if it's in order for a GAN nominee to join in here (if not, my bad), but Artem.G has reviewed Middle-earth articles before, suggested useful additional sources, and is visibly familiar with the critical writings of major scholars like Tom Shippey 2005, cited in the article. Further, it is certain that Artem.G checked some of the sources (which I believe meets the requirement) because they commented in detail on Ross Smith 2006 and Joanna Podhorodecka 2007 that I had used and cited, suggesting helpful additions to the article from those same sources. I do hope the helpful, informed, and constructive review can be counted towards Artem.G's score, and no, I wasn't prompted in any way for this. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
New Page Reviewer invite
Hello Buidhe,
Thanks for the invitation. I am always happy to help Wikipedia when asked, but this review process looks pretty challenging! I will read the tutorials and watch the videos and sign up soon. I learn best through practice, so I can give reviewing a try for awhile and if I am comfortable with the process, I will join the New Page Reviews team. MauraWen (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)