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Some serious quotes about Arbcom - really worth reading
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This is not to be confused with polemic, it's just a collection of people's thoughts on and/or about Arbcom and its cases. Most of the quotations are from Admins. The list does not attempt to conceal my or other editors' embitteredness at the way Arbcom operates. The list could be a lot longer but these cherry-picked gems from the last 5 years should be enough to be thought-provoking. In the best case scenario even some ideas for Arbcom reform or for something to replace it entirely.
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May greetings, and sorry to hear about your fingers, - glad to hear about your FA thought: take a little step each day and you'll get there ;) - One of my choirs came back to praises, pictured on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:41, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Jubilee
I wonder how many Wikipedians clearly remember watching the coronation live on TV on 2 June 1953. I do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your family was doing well to have a TV back then. My own earliest memory of the Queen was waving a flag when she disembarked at Kilchattan Bay but that was 5 years later. FYI, here's a photo of the beacon which was lit in her honour here yesterday... Andrew🐉(talk) 16:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually Andrew, it wasn't in our house. We had recently moved into a new house in the first street to be completed on one of the large housing estates being built by the Ministry of Works for the thousands of scientists and personnel of the War Office's research facility, the TRE, when it had been decided it was to become a permanent (and the largest) feature of Malvern's demographics - and still continues today as the QinetiQ quango and Malvern Hills Science Park.
- The television was in another house and the whole street was crowded into their front room. We children had to stand outside and watch through the window. Boxes and crates had been put there for us to stand on. The street was lined with Union Jack bunting stretched between the lamp posts. I remember it all extremely well. My Dad had been on the team that developed the airborne radar during the war using the cavity magnetron. He built our first TV himself a year later using scrounged valves, a green oscillator CRT, and a wooden ammunition box. By that time I had learned to use pliers and a soldering iron. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The US government isn't really working out for us. It made a great start, but later everything went into the toilet. Is there any chance that the UK would be willing to take us back if we gave them a sincere apology for those things we said in 1776? --Guy Macon (talk) 19:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- It isn't just an apology that would be needed; you'd have to demonstrate an understanding that tea is made in teapots using boiling fresh water, not harbours full of cold salty water. Plus that unfortunate typo needs fixing, it is the right to bare arms not bear arms. ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wait...what? I thought we had the right to arm bears. (...Checks the internet...) See [ https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+right+to+arm+bears&iax=images&ia=images ]. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- It isn't just an apology that would be needed; you'd have to demonstrate an understanding that tea is made in teapots using boiling fresh water, not harbours full of cold salty water. Plus that unfortunate typo needs fixing, it is the right to bare arms not bear arms. ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The US government isn't really working out for us. It made a great start, but later everything went into the toilet. Is there any chance that the UK would be willing to take us back if we gave them a sincere apology for those things we said in 1776? --Guy Macon (talk) 19:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) It was actually intended to refer to the display of heraldic achievements but, because you’d already abolished gentlemen, nobody knew what it really meant any more.—Odysseus1479 02:51, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Correction:
Re "the WMF is run by incompetents incapable of keeping expenditures in line with income and capital, rather than professionals in nonprofit administration with extensive experience in just that balancing act
, by Guy Macon" in [25] Could you make it clear that those are not my words but rather snow rise's interpretation[26] of my words? (AKA stuffing words my mouth and then knocking down the resulting straw man.) Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 14:07, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Same error at [27].
- For the record, my actual position is that the W?F are not incompetent regarding financing. I believe that are very skilled -- at lining their own pockets instead of making Wikipedia better, and at hiding where the money goes. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Guy Macon, I'm truly sorry about that misunderstanding - it was an easy enough one to make. I'll correct them. I'm on your side though, and this:
I believe that are very skilled -- at lining their own pockets instead of making Wikipedia better, and at hiding where the money goes
, is almost certainly more accurate, especially when reportedly their executives spend 200 days a year on intercontinental trips on the WMF's more than willing business travel budget,[1] not to mention the many other staff junkets so typical of non-profits, while they constantly cuts crucial corners on developing urgently required software and supporting the volunteers, for which they constantly complain they are short of cash. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Guy Macon, I'm truly sorry about that misunderstanding - it was an easy enough one to make. I'll correct them. I'm on your side though, and this:
- ^ Sile, Elizabeth (21 June 2018). "How the 35-Year-Old Executive Director of Wikimedia Travels". The Wall Street Journal. Dow Jones & Company, Inc. Retrieved 4 June 2022.
A barnstar for you!
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The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar |
I think that your Counter-Vandalism Academy has helped Wikipedia fight vandalism. I believe that you and your Counter-Vandalism Academy has helped Wikipedia a lot in fighting Vandalism.
Sincerly, RayAdvait RayAdvait (talk) 08:18, 6 June 2022 (UTC) |
Thanks Ray ! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Over-coverage tag on Tattoo?
Hi! I'm thinking about working on some cleanup for the tattoo article, and I saw you added an over-coverage tag to that article in January, but I can't find anything on the talk page about what you had in mind when adding that tag. Can you help me understand what you were noticing in the article and recommending for improvement? I can guess about it, since there are a lot of aspects of the article that need improvement, but I figured I'd just check in briefly. Thank you! Dreamyshade (talk) 08:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Dreamyshade. There have been over 70 further edits to the article since I tagged it. Any reader or Wikipedia editor who feels if it is uncomfortably long for an encyclopedic entry is entitled to rework it. Do feel free to remove the tag if or when you believe it no longer applies. I probably tagged it because I wanted to know something specific and found the page far too much to read to find what I was looking for - it's not a topic that generally falls within my sphere of interest and is not one that I would spend time contributing to. Please do go ahead and improve the article; the guidelines at WP:AS and MOS:OL may certainly help and the page statistics as of today are:
- HTML document size: 386 kB
- Prose size (including all HTML code): 81 kB
- References (including all HTML code): 167 kB
- Wiki text: 97 kB
- Prose size (text only): 44 kB (7096 words) "readable prose size"
- References (text only): 20 kB
- Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:45, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ahh thank you, helpful to know you were thinking along those lines, rather than a particular region bias. It is an unwieldy article, with a lot of content overlap with related articles, many of which are in poor condition. I'll see what I can do. Dreamyshade (talk) 20:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Best wishes
I just saw your post at Ritchie333's talkpage. First of all, I thought it was splendidly eloquent about ANI and the like. But I also just found out there about your recent brush with Covid, and I want to stop by and wish you good health and all the best. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Tryptofish}. Yeah, ANI is a weird place. Ritchie is someone I regret never having met each time I was in the UK. I could imagine jamming with him in a pub somewhere but I'm not sure if I'll ever get back to the UK, 15 hours on a plane is too much. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry to hear about your COVID struggles too, that virus can be brutal. I've been dealing with my own (non-COVID) health issues for the last few months, so I know what it feels like. Glad you're feeling better. —ScottyWong— 17:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Scott, you and I go back a long time on WP. Always nice to hear from you. I mentioned your RfA clerking RfC a couple of days ago somewhere. Do get well soon. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hey. I saw Scotty's comment, and went to Ritchie's talkpage. I am sorry to hear about your experience. One of the most effective advice for covid is to stay positive, and happy, and not being worried. Being scared/nervous/tense/angry leads CNS to cause something to do with blood vessels, and blood pressure (one of the causes for heart falures). So, "DON'T PANIC"
—usernamekiran (talk) 2
- Thanks, usernamekiran. I'm not scared/nervous/tense/angry, but when you get to my age you realise you'll never be a spring chicken again! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hey. I saw Scotty's comment, and went to Ritchie's talkpage. I am sorry to hear about your experience. One of the most effective advice for covid is to stay positive, and happy, and not being worried. Being scared/nervous/tense/angry leads CNS to cause something to do with blood vessels, and blood pressure (one of the causes for heart falures). So, "DON'T PANIC"
NPP phab requests
First, glad to hear you are doing well after COVID; it was a surprise to hear about.
I will open a ticket on the NOINDEX issue. I already opened one asking for a minor improvement in review statistics. Do you have any advice on how to get some NPP requests expedited. I don't need to tell that NPP is struggling right now. I don't have any personal relationships with any WMF personnel. I just recalled that your related comment on my talk page about a month ago when you talked about the WMF revolving door and maybe MMiller (WMF) would be sympathetic. I see his user pages says "I am now the Group Product Manager working with the Web, Editing, and Growth teams." That seems like a place to start; I will contact him. MB 19:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
NPP newsletter
I just finished composing the next newsletter and when I was done, I saw that you had started one also! You are acting less and less retired every day! If you look at mine, I mentioned you there but wanted your approval on that before it is "published". I can incorporate your school/notability section. Other than that, I'd like to sent it out ASAP since the backlog is climbing again. MB 22:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi MB, nothing had been done there before I straightened out the page format again yesterday, and began putting down some ideas that could go into a next newsletter for early July, but what we now have is a strange situation of two drafts. Actually, I'm semi-retired. NPP is pretty much all I care for and do here nowadays, so I hope you are not suggesting I should not be editing Wikipedia ;)
- The coordination page states:
Newsletters can be drafted by anyone but please check with coordinators before sending
. However, the long absence now of either a coordinator or a coordination team, has allowed NPP to become somewhat disorganised and confusing. Your initiative for the newsletter is great - after all, when I felt I had had enough of coaxing NPP along, it's one of the things I hoped someone would take care of, but I'm perfectly happy to help it along and offer some advice while I still can. There is no urgency for newsletters, as demonstrated by the very fact that nobody could be bothered any more to do one 'fairly' regularly. I still believe it is important to spell out some important things, but without repeating the same fine details from barely a month ago or introducing more. - A motivating newsletter needs to be carefully drafted. Let's work together on it, even Novem Linguae has contributed in good faith and its nice to know that some people are watching (though he may not be aware of the exact wording of WP:CAN). NPP as it was redesigned 7 years ago is no longer in its infancy and a monthly news bulletin is now probably overkill:
Note that sending frequent newsletters often dilutes their impact - like all other frequent spam, they tend to get binned before they are even read, whoever they are from. Once a month is more than enough. Once every two or three months would be better.
I do appreciate your mention of me in your draft, but its absolutely not required; let's talk some more about the next newsletter, combine the drafts, and at least remove that bit. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)- Kudpung, Of course you should be editing Wikipedia as much as you want. All I meant was that since were no newsletters for 9 months until I did the last one, I was not expecting you or anyone else to do the next one. I went ahead and listed myself as Newsletter Coordinator at NPP coordinators a month ago and was expecting to continue writing these periodically.
- (sidenote: I have also thinking about soliciting others to accept roles of overseeing some of the other coordinator tasks. Since we apparently have no one willing to take over the whole job, sharing it amongst half a dozen is probably the next best thing.)
- On the newsletter, I agree that once a month is the maximum frequency. It has been a month since the last one. If things were going smoothly, we could wait longer. But the backlog is climbing again and I think it is good to give an update. I'm not concerned about diluted impact; it is short and can be read in a minute. I'm sure that some people will find it interesting and useful even if others ignore it.
- I did pull in your advice on school articles, so I certainly want to combine them. And if you want your mention struck, I'll certainly respect that (but it was one of my favorite parts - I thought it was the most motivational part :)
- I'd like to restore the part NL removed as canvassing. Since you don't seem to think it was a problem (it is a notification to a whole project, and only said "please comment" - without suggesting what to say). Maybe "consider commenting" would come across as more neutral? MB 23:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)