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The section Spanish language#Dialectal variation is 22 KB. It's a lot longer than the summary that it should be given that it has a main article, Spanish dialects and varieties, associated with it. Cut it way down, moving to the main article any details that aren't already there.
These measures would chop 80+ KB out of this article, though still leaving it at over 100 KB. Comments on these suggestions? Any other ideas for slimming this article down? Largoplazo (talk) 12:01, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's ok with me. --Jotamar (talk) 22:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with the first change (removing the huge table from the article) to begin with something. I however think that the section Spanish language#Geographical distribution requires both expansion (particularly the Europe and Hispanic America subsections) and trimming (the Philippines section). Regarding the second point I also agree to some extent: I suggest to trim the morphology bit in particular, there has to be a more succint way to comment on nuances on second person differences. No table displaying conjugations is really required in the main article either way. --Asqueladd (talk) 02:47, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Moalli: in case they have something to add.--Asqueladd (talk) 02:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On a similar note, I too find the Philippines section in Spanish language#Geographical distribution too long for the language's current status and level of importance. Spanish is practically extinct there nowadays no matter how much so-called "Hispanistas" try to revise the article by adding non-credible biased sources. The bulk of that section would also be better placed in a separate geographical distribution of Spanish speakers article or simply redirected to Spanish language in the Philippines. The geographical distribution section should only be providing a summary and brief history of Spanish in various regions, along with any unique characteristics. - Moalli (talk) 00:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Moalli:. I think we have a sort of a consensus in some aspects brewing in here.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the speakers table as per this talk page thread. I tried to pull a trimmed down version of the Philippines subsection, insofar there was WP:BALASP issues vis-à-vis the rest of the geographical distribution section (particularly taking into account the arguably moribund status of Spanish language there). What do you think [1]?--Asqueladd (talk) 23:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Equatorial Guinea
The article's infobox states that the Spanish language is native to Spain, Hispanic America and Equatorial Guinea. However, this is not quite right. Not only is Spanish not a 'native' language of the country, it is also only spoken by 66.7% of Equatorial Guineans, mostly as a Lingua Franca among ethnic groups, according to Wikipedia's article on Equatorial Guinea. I believe it would be wiser to omit Equatorial Guinea from the 'native to' part of the infobox, but I wish to consult this first and see other opinions. KOSƧIO (talk) 20:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed it. The problem was that the infobox field name is states but what it visualizes is Native to. Perhaps EG should be included in some other infobox field, but not in this one. --Jotamar (talk) 22:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the full content of the parametre (I recall having done this already once or twice). Insofar it aims towards maximum gatekeeping, it mixes one sovereign country with a somewhat moot cultural (tangentially geographical) concept. Please take note that the parametre is counter-intuitively named "states". It henceforth leaves out the US, Andorra and Belize, which are not "Spain" nor "Hispanic America", but where there are a very substantial number of native speakers (conversely adding Equatorial Guinea where, as stated above these lines, Spanish is widely spoken but it is the native language of virtually not a single person). If we refer to regions (not states), Spanish is primarily a native language of the Americas and Europe (specifically Iberia), but also North-Africa. Insofar the language is somewhat global and we have this discussion largely reduplicated for another similar "ever-changing" infobox parametre, this issue (the attempt for a well-fitted gatekeeping in this parametre) can be also rendered as "unwise". I mean, particularly as long as "significant minority" countries are featured in the other parametre (they probably should not, by the way) this discussion is a waste.--Asqueladd (talk) 00:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Spanish language map of the world
In the map of the world, the color codes are incorrectly assigned as to where Spanish is spoken. 88.159.135.169 (talk) 11:38, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Barefoot through the chollas: The IPA you insist on including seems to be at odds with our IPA guide for Spanish. At no point does it encourage editors to retranscribe words that feature ⟨ʎ⟩ with ⟨ʝ⟩. Furthermore, your latest edit summary is false in that Castellano is not one of "terms that are more relevant to regions that have undergone yeísmo".
I'm writing here so that more editors see this. There is an active discussion on Help talk:IPA/Spanish#Yeísmo that is the most appropriate place to discuss that, per MOS:PRON (to quote it, Other languages have dedicated IPA-xx templates, where xx is the 2-letter ISO 639-1 code or the 3-letter ISO 639-3 code for the language in question, as in {{IPA-el}} for Greek or {{IPA-fa}} for Persian. (...) These languages and templates are listed at {{IPA}}. Again, if the language you're transcribing has such an IPA key, use the conventions of that key. If you wish to change those conventions, bring it up for discussion on the key's talk page. Creating transcriptions unsupported by the key or changing the key so that it no longer conforms to existing transcriptions will confuse readers.
). Sol505000 (talk) 11:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yesterday I posted here an attempt to engage in reasoned civil discourse with you re your repeated deletion of and quarreling about basic information in the Spanish language infobox. You removed that posting, and I'll not attempt to repeat it. The essence of the issue is that someone, not me, had offered in IPA the two major standard phonetic versions of castellano in the infobox, and you deleted one, with the explanation "IPA spam." Since it obviously wasn't "IPA spam", but someone's reasoned (presumably) attempt to supply helpful information to readers (i.e. the purpose of an encyclopedia), and in light of your record of "contribs" and reprimands on your talk page, I reverted your deletion, explaining briefly, perhaps too curtly, why. That could, and I maintain with the minimum application of calm good judgement should, have been the end of the issue. Instead, it has by now degenerated to being down the rabbit hole of chasing ISO codes and IPA keys for Greek and Persian, entirely irrelevant to the original point: the simple straightforward presence of one piece of information that not all readers are guaranteed to know. I don't really have anything more to add. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 13:57, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You removed that posting, and I'll not attempt to repeat it. No, I have not. I moved it back where I originally posted the thread. What's more, I wasted 30 minutes replying to what you wrote (which, I imagine, cannot be done without reading what you're replying to, no? So what do you need to repeat?) only to get ignored in return (there's you being "reasoned" and "civil") - just because I moved the discussion back where it belonged after you moved it without my permission (I was the original poster) and against MOS:PRON, which states that issues like that need to be resolved on Help talk:IPA/Spanish, not here or any other single article.
Instead, it has by now degenerated to being down the rabbit hole of chasing ISO codes and IPA keys for Greek and Persian, entirely irrelevant to the original point. Wow. You never stop, do you?