Untitled 2009 section
Please note that another user's judgment is required to determine whether the image fails the criteria or not. Otherwise, users can just remove this from images and they will not be subject to further scrutiny. The primary distinction between this and di-disputed fair use rationale is that this template is primarily for uses where there is a rationale, but the image fails the fair use criteria regardless. I have therefore restored the reference to administrators; I would compromise if desired by suggesting that an uninvolved user (i.e. someone other than the uploader) can remove the tag, but the uploader can't be permitted to as he/she will obviously be biased in favour of the inclusion, thereby rendering the tag worthless. Stifle (talk) 10:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Or another alternative would be to add something like "removal of the tag without comment or attempt to explain why the image meets the criteria will not prevent it from being deleted". Stifle (talk) 10:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I was merely bringing this tag into line with (almost all) the other tags used for NFCC problems. Those tags allow the uploader to remove the tag once they have corrected the problem. So, if this tag is going to be used as an alternate to those tags, this tag should rflect that wording similarly.
Therefore, restoring the version as previously edited. Jheald (talk) 23:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Disagree with that; see for example {{Di-replaceable fair use}}. And if you are going to edit it, at least include the part that prevents the instructions from running on the same line as the last bullet. Stifle (talk) 09:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Category parameter
This template has a {{{category}}}
parameter. This means that if you tag a file with, say, {{di-fails NFCC|yes|category=yes}}
, then the file isn't categorised. Instead, the word "foo" appears below the template box. What is the reason for this parameter? It looks weird to me. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:34, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
- Apparently this is my fault. It's to keep Wikipedia:Template messages/Deletion, which transcludes a live version of this template (by design), from being categorized. —Cryptic 23:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
- This should also be taken care of by the {{file other}} template which I just added which prevents the template from categorising pages outside the file namespace. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:41, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Misnested tag with different rendering in HTML5 and HTML4
@Cryptic, Stefan2, Train2104, Renamed user 2560613081, Train2104, Pppery, and Primefac: There are 25 items in the File namespace that use this template, and it's causing Misnested tag with different rendering in HTML5 and HTML4 lint errors in all 25. I believe this is due to a recent change. I don't understand the problem, but it needs fixing. —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:06, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- Anomalocaris, there are zero uses of
<span>
or<div>
in this template. I do notice that in the base template there is a<small>...</small>
set that spans four lines - could that be causing the error? I seem to recall one of the AFC templates recently had that issue. Primefac (talk) 16:05, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Primefac: These files, using this template, are each generating these 5 lint errors:
- Missing end tag <i>
- Misnested tag with different rendering in HTML5 and HTML4 <span>
- Stripped tags </span>
- Misnested tags <small>
- Missing end tag <i>
File:Gyro Gearloose in the 2017 reboot.jpg and File:Photo of Arshile Gorky by Xavier Fourcade (detail).jpg:
{{Di-fails NFCC|8=yes|help=off|date=17 June 2018}}
File:Haymarket pushcart assoc logo.jpg and File:Market at Blackstone and Hanover Streets Boston thumbnail.jpg:
{{Di-fails NFCC|8=yes|date=17 June 2018|help=off}}
File:Haymarket-Square-Hotel-rendering.jpg:
{{di-fails NFCC|8=yes|10c=yes|date=17 June 2018|help=off}}
File:Freeband.jpg, File:Gargantuawar.jpg, File:Greathydra.jpg:
{{Di-fails NFCC|10c=yes|help=off|date=17 June 2018}}
{{Di-fails NFCC|yes|date=17 June 2018|help=off}}
{{Di-fails NFCC|10c=yes|date=17 June 2018|help=off}}
File:Hard-Fi - Better do Better - 7".jpeg, [[:FileFile:Hard-Fi - Better do Better - CD2.jpeg, File:Hard-Fi - Better do better - Promo.jpg:
{{Di-fails NFCC|8=yes|10c=yes|help=off|date=17 June 2018}}
{{Di-fails NFCC|4=yes|8=yes|help=off|date=17 June 2018}}
File:FreeConferenceCall Logo.png:
{{di-fails NFCC|7=yes|9=yes|date=16:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)}}
File:From Ordinary to Entrepreneur.jpg:
{{di-fails NFCC|7=yes|9=yes|date=16:46, 19 June 2018 (UTC)}}
File:Now That's What I Call 30 Years.jpg:
{{di-fails NFCC|7=yes|9=yes|date=16:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)}}
{{di-fails NFCC|7=yes|9=yes|date=17:06, 19 June 2018 (UTC)}}
{{di-fails NFCC|7=yes|9=yes|date=16:57, 19 June 2018 (UTC)}}
File:Hunter (Björk song - audio sample).ogg
{{Di-fails NFCC|10c=yes|help=off|date=23 June 2018}}
{{Di-fails NFCC|1=yes|4=yes|10c=yes|help=off|date=23 June 2018}}
{{Di-fails NFCC|1=yes|10c=yes|help=off|date=23 June 2018}}
File:Ja'Net du Bois title card confirming spelling.png
{{Di-fails NFCC|8=yes|10c=yes|help=off|date=23 June 2018}}
File:Jacket Fuel Injection Pipes Produced By Donker Fuel.jpg
{{Di-fails NFCC|1=yes|help=off|date=23 June 2018}}
File:Selim Al Deen, Bangladeshi playwright.jpg
{{Di-fails NFCC|8=yes|help=off|date=23 June 2018}}
File:Izmir Adnan Menderes Airport, March 2014.jpg
{{Di-fails NFCC|1=yes|help=off|date=24 June 2018}}
Is this an error in the use of parameters, and if so, what is the fix? —Anomalocaris (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed the italic error (the opening '' were inside an if while the closing were outside it), but I still can't find the span or small errors. Will keep looking. Primefac (talk) 19:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- Primefac: The five errors are all still there. —Anomalocaris (talk) 04:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Anomalocaris, I don't know what to say. There are no spans, smalls, or italics in this template, and the only thing that could possibly be throwing these errors is that you have code like
<small class="sysop-show"><br />''Administrators: {{{for administrators}}}''</small>
in {{Deletable file}} - would the presence of a param in a small tag throw an error? Primefac (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Anomalocaris, I don't know what to say. There are no spans, smalls, or italics in this template, and the only thing that could possibly be throwing these errors is that you have code like
- Primefac: The five errors are all still there. —Anomalocaris (talk) 04:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed the italic error (the opening '' were inside an if while the closing were outside it), but I still can't find the span or small errors. Will keep looking. Primefac (talk) 19:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know if it's related, but note that {{subst:dnfcc|8=yes}} currently doesn't work (it returns a Lua error message). The idea is that
subst:
should add adate
parameter to the template, returning {{Di-fails NFCC|8=yes|date=30 Jun 2022}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Izno edited the template and that seems to have fixed the problem. There are 7 remaining items with this template, and none of them have any lint errors.—Anomalocaris (talk) 00:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'm surprised to hear that that change fixed the issue (for now), since I'm pretty sure there's still an HTML 5-invalid
<i><ul>...</ul></i>
which I could not obviously remove, due to how the base template works. --Izno (talk) 00:41, 30 June 2018 (UTC)- But I am otherwise glad that I managed to catch this one when 4 or 5 others didn't. ;) Basically what was happening is that due to the use of wikitext bullets, a second list was being opened directly inside the first list, which is invalid. (
<ul><ul>...</ul></ul>
.) If you go back to the broken revision, you'll see the styles on the bullets differ (at least in Timeless skin!) in the parser migration edit preview. --Izno (talk) 00:46, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- But I am otherwise glad that I managed to catch this one when 4 or 5 others didn't. ;) Basically what was happening is that due to the use of wikitext bullets, a second list was being opened directly inside the first list, which is invalid. (
Problematic template
I had no idea this template existed, as I've found the first time I've seen it that it creates a problem.
There are several subjective aspects of NFCC, particularly #8 but includes others, that should not be treated as a "seven days to fix or semi-automated deletion", and instead should trigger an FFD to discuss that point. Other NFCC, such as #2, #9, #10 and a few others certainly are objective, and thus can be handled this way, but we should leave subjective judgments to this type of semi-automated process. I would recommended significantly trimming which reasons can be used on this, and adding doc language that you can FFD images that otherwise you believe fail NFC but not objectively. --Masem (t) 15:47, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
- I completely agree. Ludost Mlačani (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
#switch instead of #ifeq
@JJMC89: Hello!
I tried to replace the #ifeq that each criterion had with just one #switch in the sandbox of this template. It doesn't work though when using it on file pages, do you think you can take a look at it? The change would be that instead of writing 2=yes you would just have {{Di-fails NFCC|2}} which is good for lazy people like myself.Jonteemil (talk) 01:58, 17 March 2020 (UTC)