![]() | North Carolina was one of the Geography and places good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||||
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Endemic. Correct use?
It says smallpox had become endemic in Europe. I think they mean “widespread” or “ubiquitous” or “pervasive” or maybe just “rife”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.143.226.72 (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- As I understand it, in refereence to a disease, endemic means prevalent. It's often used to describe diseases. Sundayclose (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Map of Confederate States
I was just clicking through the series of images, not the text, and the last image to appear was a map of the Confederate states. Was a link not quite properly deleted? I checked the text for such and couldn't find it. I don't think it belongs in the article, but I wondered why it appeared in the series of images. One thought I had was it was used to develop the map of climate zones for NC. But I'm not aware of how that might have been done. Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 18:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- It comes through the template {{Confederate States political divisions}} at the bottom of the article. I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing, but I can see where it comes from. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 18:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Presidential and Gubernatorial election tables
Hi there, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here. I think the Government and politics section is due for an update and needs better sourcing, but specifically about the two tables of presidential and gubernatorial elections, we did have a request for comment last year about these, where the consensus was to move them to "Politics of [State]" articles. Since Politics of North Carolina already has a table of presidential elections, I removed it here. In general, I still think these tables aren't necessary on U.S. state pages, the year 1952 is an arbitrary start date, and we just have better places already, like United States presidential elections in North Carolina, which is much more complete table, with third parties, etc. Happy to discuss, but I hope that explains reasoning for the changes.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 16:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
City --> Town?
The 'towns' of Cary and Chapel Hill are each listed in list of "cities." Should that be changed to major towns? Likewise, Wake Forest is listed as a city, which doesn't match its status of incorporation. Probably more. Gprobins (talk) 17:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- In North Carolina the only official difference between cities, towns, and villages is the word itself. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:11, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Reviewers needed
The James Davis (printer) article, (a Good Article) about the founder of colonial North Carolina's first printer, and publisher of North Carolina's first newspaper is currently undergoing an FA review. However, the review is progressing slowly and will be shut down if other reviewers don't get involved. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Is "North Carolina" a good article?
I was just wondering what people thought about the idea of relisting this article as a "Good Article" nominee. It has been almost 15 years since it was delisted from the title and it has certainly a better article from then. All opinions are welcome but the main question I'm asking is do you think it's ready to be nominated again? Thanks!
- Yes, It should be nominated.
- No, It shouldn't be nominated.
DiscoA340 (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you think it should be re-nominated then go ahead and do so. Check out WP:BOLD. I recommend following the Good Article criteria. Also, I am wondering how this article got delisted in the first place. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:36, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- No - Nominated now, this would almost certainly be quick-failed. There are several obstacles to this becoming a GA:
- There is information that is present in the lede that is not present in the body of the article, such as the population of Charlotte, the 2020 total state population estimate (the actual 2020 figures should be available now anyhow), and the claim that "The earliest evidence of human occupation in North Carolina dates back 10,000 years, found at the Hardaway Site." (the Hardaway site is mentioned in the body but is note described as the earliest evidence of human occupation in NC). The lede should act as a summary of the body of the article, and thus all this info should be in the body and appropriately cited. The lede on the whole might need reworking to be fully representative of the topic without simply focusing on a few historical events.
- There are many entirely unsourced paragraphs in the body of the article (the entirety of the Sports section!), and additional unsourced hanging sentences at the end of paragraphs. All information should be sourced to a WP:RS.
- There is some non-neutral language which would fail WP:NPOV e.g. "The City of Asheville is consistently voted as one of the top places to visit and live in the United States, known for its rich art deco architecture, mountain scenery and outdoor activities" (sourced to promotional tourist sites, no less) and "One of the more famous arts communities in the state is Seagrove, the handmade-pottery capital of the U.S." (more "famous" according to who?). The whole "Parks and recreation" section reads like a tourism brochure with phrases like "elegant theatres", etc..
- Some info is outdated, especially demographics in light of the 2020 census, we should not be relying on estimates from 2019 and before.
- Some reorganization of text and consolidation of sections and paragraphs should be done. The "Music" section is just a list of sentences. "Parks and recreation" and "State parks" should be merged. "Sports" should be a subsection of culture. We do not need a full subsection devoted to "Ships named for the state". Several of the transport related subsections are simply links to lists.
- A full on copy edit should be performed to fix MOS violations, improper capitalization, and other poor wording like "Tourism has also been big for the North Carolina economy" ("been big for" is a euphemistic way for saying "a major part of")
- Several key facts that would probably be necessary for the article to count as sufficiently "broad" per GA standards are missing. Here's a few:
- The only thing about about wildlife here is a link and a shoutout to longleaf pines and venus flytraps. More coverage of flora and fauna would be nice.
- The development of the post-Civil War tobacco, textiles, and furniture industries is not appropriately discussed (tobacco is the best represented).
- The Lumbee people of Robeson County constitute the largest Native American group east of the Mississippi, but are not mentioned once in the article.
- The states dialectal diversity is not adequately discussed (look for books written by linguist Walt Wolfram)
- Under the "media" section, no mention of The News & Observer (the most circulated paper in the state)
- The "Government and politics" probably out to mention the historical weakness of the governor and the strength of the legislature. Should also probably mention when the current state constitution was ratified.
- At the same time, some info is too detailed for the purposes of an article meant to represent the state. Information like "In the Conover–Hickory area, attractions include Hickory Motor Speedway, RockBarn Golf and Spa, home of the Greater Hickory Classic at Rock Barn; Catawba County Firefighters Museum, the SALT Block, and Valley Hills Mall" is not representative of statewide tourism. We also do not need to list every private religious university in the state here. We do not need to know here that Noni Bacca Winery won an international wine prize. The section about indigenous settlement before colonization focuses too much on the broader Mississippian culture without adequately tying it to NC.
- This is basically a C-class article at best. This would need major work before it's GA ready. -Indy beetle (talk) 06:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment (invited by the bot) First IMO it's an overkill in one area and not enough in another to do an RFC regarding GA submittal. The "not enough" part is that it also needs to be the submitters' decision (not "just doing because folks decided") and they need to be responsive as such / in that role during the feedback process. Next, your RFC is different than / conflicts with its title. #1 The title in essence asks "is it already a good article? and #2 The RFC says "should it be submitted?" I'll answer #2, not #1. My suggestion is to do some work work on the areas described by Indy beetle (though I think that their standards are tougher than typical GA handling) and then submit it if you wish to. North8000 (talk) 12:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment to follow up from Indy beetle, as a resident of the Hickory area I can confirm that those statewide tourism claims for the area are ridiculous lol. Toa Nidhiki05 18:30, 22 June 2022 (UTC)