Asking for advice on "Quaker" Section 1.7
Hi, I'm the person that accidentally turned all the s's into z's (sorry about that by the way), and I wanted to ask for permission before I make another edit on the page. This was the original change I made before I went on my mad alphabet spree. I was trying to tidy up the section on Evolution, and I wanted to ask if this did a good job. Any criticism would be appreciated!
- The theory of evolution described by Charles Darwin in On the Origin of Species (1859) was opposed by many Quakers in the 19th century,[54] particularly by older evangelical Quakers who dominated the Religious Society of Friends in Great Britain. These older Quakers were both suspicious of Darwin's theory and believed natural selection could not explain life on its own.[55] The influential Quaker scientist Edward Newman[56] said that the theory was "not compatible with our notions of creation as delivered from the hands of a Creator".
- However, some young Friends such as John Wilhelm Rowntree and Edward Grubb supported Darwin's theories, using a doctrine of progressive revelation.[55] In the United States, Joseph Moore taught the theory of evolution at the Quaker Earlham College as early as 1861.[57] This made him one of the first teachers to do so in the Midwest.[58] Acceptance of the theory of evolution became more widespread in Yearly Meetings who moved toward liberal Christianity in the 19th and 20th centuries.[59] However, creationism still persists within evangelical Friends Churches, particularly in East Africa and parts of the United States.
Thanks, and I would appreciate any feedback! VioletJR (talk) 03:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
- Your non s-z changes were definitely an improvement. Keep it up. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:52, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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I really appreciate your bringing some sanity to the QI talk page. My stress levels are much improved. —Quondum 02:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- You are welcome. But there is always more waiting for us. StarryGrandma (talk) 06:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
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Gram per cubic metre
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Potential copyvio discussion
For example, compare a biennial herb which grows 18–40 centimetres (7.1–15.7 in). The stems are branched and they usually lack hairs, but can sometimes have sparse hairs on the lower parts. The leaves on the stems are usually entire or pinnatifid or can sometimes be pinnatisect
to Biennial herbs, 18–40 cm high. Stems branched, glabrous or with sparsely hairs at lower part. Stem leaves entire, pinnatifid or sometimes pinnatisect.
The directness is quite clear, with the difference being the addition of some joining words, and some reordering.
The editor is certainly acting in good faith, but when using a single short source for an article I feel it is almost unavoidable to closely paraphrase to the extent that a copyright violation may have occurred. As for the tag, it was required given my assessment of the circumstances; I believe you should restore it, as it should only be removed by an admin, a copyright clerk, or a member of the VRT. BilledMammal (talk) 23:32, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- @BilledMammal, I've put it back and will discuss with the editor. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:56, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I hope I am wrong about it, or at least their efforts on the temp page will resolve the issue. BilledMammal (talk) 00:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
WP:AFC Helper News
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.
- AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
- The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.
Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Band bending
Band bending has been deleted, clearing the way to promote the draft at your discretion. Happy editing, and thank you for all your work here. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 00:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Odderon and Draft
Hello StarryGrandma,
I saw your comments on the new page Odderon Discovery. We created a new page because there is a conflict with the information published in the other page which are in contradiction with the official channels of the TOTEM-DO Collaboration (CERN-Fermilab laboratories), who made the discovery of the Odderon. Before the creation of this new page with informed Wikipedia about the conflict and this is why we created this new page.
Babressan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babressan (talk • contribs) 16:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Babressan, this is an encyclopedia, not a place to publish competing articles. Sort this out at the existing Odderon article, using Talk:Odderon to discuss what the conflict is if necessary. Wikipedia is not interested in "official" channels, but in what is supported by reliable, in depth published scientific sources which are independent of those claiming discovery. Also your first version of the draft is a copy of the Odderon article without attribution - you cannot copy someone else's work here without saying where you got it. That is plagiarism just as at university. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Dear StarryGrandma, thank you very much for your reply. We did not copy the page we just remade the page adding also the correct version of the truth. So you mean that everybody can say whatever they want because this is an encliopedia? I created my page to give credibility to the new version, as wikipedia asked for. Before doing that I have contacted the Wikipedia media office to inform about the conflict and they advised me on what to do, indeed in my page is enlightened that there is the conflict...I do not think this is a plagiarism, we did all the necessary steps to inform Wikipedia about the conflict...what I meant by the official channels is not this, I meant that there are references which I have also published in the new page that say that this discovery cannot be attributed to one single person, but to many and the collaboration. I am just trying to convey the message of what really happened and give the credibility to those who contribute to this discovery...anyway, thanks you very much for your help. Appreciate it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babressan (talk • contribs) 09:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC) We will sort it out, all the best
- @Babressan, thank you for moving the material to the original article. Universities don't say much about plagiarism these days, but in my day it could get you expelled. Wikipedia is extremely careful about copying and copyright. Every word typed into a Wikipedia article is under a copyright owned by the editor who typed it, if they didn't copy it from someone else. And by clicking "Publish" that editor has agreed to license that material under CC BY-SA 3.0, which allows others to use it for any purpose anywhere (not just on Wikipedia) as long as they attribute the material to the original author. That authorship is recorded in the history of the article. See the Draft:Odderon Discovery history here. All you have to do to attribute properly is to say in the edit summary "copied from the Odderon article".
- Instead of worrying about priority and papers, what the article should be about is the physics of the object, the interactions that show it exists, and the equipment that made the observations possible. The article doesn't even say in language a general reader can understand what an odderon is. A good source to use for the physics is the explanation given at
- Österberg, Kenneth (September 6, 2021). "The discovery of the Odderon". Helsinky Institute of Physics. Retrieved February 23, 2022.
- by Kenneth Österberg, Physics coordinator, TOTEM experiment, CERN. I am going to say more about the priority stuff at Talk:Odderon since interesting things are going on at the article. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Features for new users coming soon (and mentors, like you, wanted!)
Hello. As you're currently listed as a host at the Teahouse, I wanted to make sure you're aware of the imminent rollout of new Growth Team Features which every new account will be getting by default. Each users will soon see a new 'Homepage' tab next to their User page. It contains two main elements which might impact on your involvement - and you'd be welcome to get involved and help out directly with one of them.
- Firstly, they will be offered a range of 'suggested edits', and encouraged to make simple improvements to pages that interest them. (Being aware of this feature would be helpful for all Teahouse hosts if you're likely to offer advice on tasks for them to start out doing.)
- There's also a 'Your impact' box to show them how many people have seen the pages they've just edited.
- Finally, each new user is randomly assigned a 'mentor' from a list of friendly, experienced editors, like yourself. If they get stuck, they can ask a question directly to them via a Your mentor box, and hopefully get a swift, friendly answer from that mentor. Currently, this feature is given to 2% of new users, but it's set to increase to around 10% in the very near future.
To spread the load on our current list of around 65 mentors, I'm reaching out to ask if you'd like to help out and sign up as one? The workload is relatively small; User Panini! reports receiving four questions a month, on average, all of which were simple ones of the type we already get at the Teahouse and elsewhere, and I've had just the one in the last 3 weeks. To view a list of every question asked of all mentors over the last 14 days, click here.
If becoming a mentor and being available to help new users on their first few days here interests you - just as you already do at the Teahouse - then please consider signing up at Growth Team features/Mentor list. Existing users can already 'opt-in' to seeing the Newcomer Homepage features via their Preferences.
Thank you! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Movement Strategy and Governance News – Issue 6
Movement Strategy and Governance News
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Welcome to the sixth issue of Movement Strategy and Governance News! This revamped newsletter distributes relevant news and events about the Movement Charter, Universal Code of Conduct, Movement Strategy Implementation grants, Board of trustees elections and other relevant MSG topics.
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- Leadership Development - A Working Group is Forming! - The application to join the Leadership Development Working Group closed on April 10th, 2022, and up to 12 community members will be selected to participate in the working group. (continue reading)
- Universal Code of Conduct Ratification Results are out! - The global decision process on the enforcement of the UCoC via SecurePoll was held from 7 to 21 March. Over 2,300 eligible voters from at least 128 different home projects submitted their opinions and comments. (continue reading)
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Thanks for reading. Xeno (WMF) 02:23, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Talk:Planck units
Even after all these years online, it baffles me that people can be so confrontational about mathematical esoterica. I'm trying to keep a civil tongue in my head; please do call me out if I fail. (There has been some odd reverting and un-reverting in the edit history, which I can only guess at the motivations of.) XOR'easter (talk) 00:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Physics seems to attract very intense people (even senior professors with many awards) who would like to expand their idiosyncratic ideas here. The Planck things come up in discussions of theories of everything, and understanding how the universe works stops being just intellectual. I think you are handling it very well, better than I would; I am sometimes kind and sometimes get snippy. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:25, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- The energy people put into grand theory-of-everything talk vastly exceeds the energy they'll devote to explaining basic concepts. It's kind of a drag. I have vague WP:NOTTEXTBOOK/WP:SYNTH/WP:NOTESSAY concerns about the "Introduction" section, but it's hard to say exactly how I feel it ought to be revised. XOR'easter (talk) 02:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well, that continues to go downhill. I'd take it to ANI at this point, but I have a bad taste in my mouth about drama boards. To be honest, I've been trying to wrap up my unfinished tasks so that I can retire, or at least scale way way back, by the end of the month or so. This nonsense is really not how I want to spend my last few weeks here. XOR'easter (talk) 15:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- The energy people put into grand theory-of-everything talk vastly exceeds the energy they'll devote to explaining basic concepts. It's kind of a drag. I have vague WP:NOTTEXTBOOK/WP:SYNTH/WP:NOTESSAY concerns about the "Introduction" section, but it's hard to say exactly how I feel it ought to be revised. XOR'easter (talk) 02:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Request on 06:59:05, 16 April 2022 for assistance on AfC submission by Milkse
Hi, sorry if the feedback is in some inadequate place or manner, I am not used to the medium. In a separate Wikipedia-article about "Svaton peaks" (a mountain ridge named after him), Svaton is referred to, with a link to a missing page. I have known him and I think that there are not many people around with this information. Please consider either removing the link or having a second look, there is a lack of stringency. Regards mk
Milkse (talk) 06:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Milkse. I updated the template that links to the USGS database and added a reference to a book version of the same information before I figured out how to fix the link. Svaton doesn't meet the Wikipedia requirements for an article. Instead add the information about him to the Svaton Peaks article. Everything will need a reference, not just what you know. As a person with a geological place named after him it is great to have information about him there. Then I will accept the title of your draft as a redirect there. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, it seems reasonable to add the information as an infobox to the "Svaton peaks" article instead of a separate page. I have edited it as I imagine a short infobox could look like. As you noted, Svaton's published scientific production was limited. Svaton's own history is unpublished and not possible to reference otherwise than personal communication. On the other side, this sentence is basically the reason for my submission. Regards mk Milkse (talk) 19:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Clothing industry cleanup
Thanks! It's part of an off-the-rails school project (Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Archive 22#Undisclosed art-class (fashion/textile) project). DMacks (talk) 18:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles being moved without review
The number of problems may be small relative to the number of courses, but it is significant. All new editors are encouraged to submit their articles for independent review and I can't see any reason why this shouldn't also be true for students. Asking an instructor, who may themselves have very limited familiarity with Wikipedia guidelines, to grade their own students' work, is always going to be a problem as they have their own targets to work to - one being to get as many students through the course successfully as possible and the other being time - which is why students should be given priority in the review process. Perhaps you could appoint a special group of experienced editors to do the reviewing, but what shouldn't happen is the setting of different, lower standards for students from those that apply to other new editors. Encouraging students to move the article themselves is equally problematic. If Wikipedia's Education team choose to continue in this vein, I can't do anything about it - but I don't intend to leave sub-standard articles in article space. Deb (talk) 06:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- You should not leave such articles in mainspace. Thank you for making the effort to check out all these articles. At AfC we often run into students from non-WikiEd courses and it is a problem. There are too few reviewers and we can't shepherd hundreds of students through the process. I've left a message for the course coordinator in hopes of getting better training for instructors up front for courses that produce biographies. Articles from the course were deleted last year, and the instructor was pinged to the discussions but probably is not often on Wikipedia so they went unnoticed. StarryGrandma (talk) 07:24, 2 June 2022 (UTC)