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Cigarette box
Hello. We were in a conversation elewhere about my photo of a cigarette box, but I took a Wikibreak for about a month, and now I can't respond to you properly in that conversation 'cause I can't find it any more. Anyway, you asked if my photo was the same box as at https://www.ebay.com/itm/334454539381, and YES, it is the same box (which I bought), but of course my photo is (modest cough) much better. Now, how do I use my photo as an example of the kind of souvenirs that were given to participants in the Veiled Prophet Parade and Ball? Or can I just upload it as is? Thanks so much for your attention to this. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think you're referring to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2022/June#Photo of a three-dimensional object. My response is pretty much the same in that it largely depends upon whether the box is in an of itself eligible for copyright protection separate of any copyright attached to any photo taken of it. If the box isn't very ornate and is nothing but a "mere box" which it kind of looks like in the eBay photo, then it could possibly be considered a kind of utility object and not eligible for its own copyright protection per c:COM:CB#Utility objects. For example, a typical car seems to be considered a utility object in most cases because its shape is fairly standard and not considered creative enough to generate its own separate copyright per c:COM:VEHICLE; a customized car or car with a custom paint job, however, might have elements connected with it that go beyond a simple shape and thus it may be considered eligible for copyright protection. How this can be corresponding applied to cigarette boxes most likely depends on how complicated or intricate the box's design is and whether they are any engravings or other creative elements to it that make seem more of an artistic work than a utility object. You might want to ask about this at c:COM:VPC because Commons is likely the best place to upload such a photo since I don't see there being much justification for such a photo being uploaded locally to Wikipedia as non-free content just to show an example of the kind of souvenirs that were given to participants in that particular event. Commons doesn't accept not free content of any type; so, if the opinion over on Commons is that you can't upload a photo of this box because it's eligible for copyright protection separate of your photo, then the same would apply to Wikipedia as well and you wouldn't be able to upload your photo without the WP:CONSENT of the copyright holder of the box. Your photo, if much better in quality than the eBay one, may actually make the creative elements (if there are any) of the box standout more and thus be easier to assess; so, perhaps if you can upload it somewhere online (other than Wikipedia or Commons) first, then a Commons volunteer find that helpful in sorting this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Happy July 4th!
Colman2000 (talk) 05:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)