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Democratic socialism
My edit was intentional. The 'Definition' section is redundant, as 'democratic socialism' is already clearly defined in the lead. The 'Compatibility of "socialism" and "democracy" section' is superfluous and serves no purpose other than potentially confusing readers. Vrrajkum (talk) 08:05, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
A Little Help
Dear KTOM -- I use Wikipedia from time to time, and when I see something that needs fixing I fix it. Recently I looked up Dutch Book and Money Pump Arguments. I added a paragraph to Dutch Book to clarify the central issue which was missing. The Money Pump is a different argument which is INVOKED within the Dutch Book. It was set as a re-direct to Money Pump. I wrote up a full definition of Money Pump, which shows how it is different from Dutch Book, and then created a link to Dutch Book, and eliminated the re-direct. ALl this is a bit technical, and apparently Swister Twister did not like my definition so she eliminated my definition of money pump and reverted it to a REDIRECT, which is actually wrong, since the two concepts are not the same.
I put a note on her page, but did not get any response for a week. Then I put a second note, and she responded by saying the my definition was NOT CONVINCING???
I am not a Wikipedian and dont know how this type of problem is resolved. Your note on her page shows greater familiarity with the system and willingness to help others so I thought I would ask you how to proceed. BELOW I am copying what I put on Swister Twisters talk page about a week ago, and have not received any response to: Asaduzaman (talk) 23:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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- I have not received any response to the question of why my explanation of Money Pump was reverted by you.
- Note that Money Pump is NOT the same as a Dutch Book, so this REDIRECT is misleading. Furthermore the Dutch Book does not mention Money Pump, although I did put it in in the edits which I made there [which are still current] Asaduzaman (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Your article had nothing to convince there's a solid article yet, see WP:Your first article for a how-to for starting articles. Please ask if you have questions and comments, SwisterTwister talk 05:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asaduzaman (talk • contribs)
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- Dear Sister Twister -- I have many publications on this subject in advanced academic journals. Please see list of my contributions to highly technical topics. Ask someone who knows the difference between Money Pump and Dutch Book to evaluate whether or not it is a solid article. Note that the current main paragraph of explanation of Dutch Book is also my contribution, as well as many other technical sections in many other wikipedia articles. See my Google Scholar Profile, where my articles on technical topics have more than 700 citations: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=U9Cl-pgAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao Asaduzaman (talk) 06:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asaduzaman (talk • contribs)
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- Asaduzaman, you have stated you are not up to speed with WP procedures and policies and so I think there are some things you should be aware of. What I am going to say is going to sound harsh, but it not intended in any way to be mean, just honest and unbiased feedback you need to hear. I hope you will have the professional courtesy to read each and every bullet point in the spirit in which it is offered, as a genuine attempt to help you understand "how to proceed", as you requested.
- You have made quite a few errors of etiquette which, while understandable as new user mistakes, will not help your trying to get others to help you in the long run. The following are things you should be aware of so you do not repeat these mistakes:
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- An editor's username on Wikipedia, just as in real life, is important to use correctly. Dale Carnegie said; “A person’s name is to that person, the sweetest, most important sound in any language.” By erroneously addressing your comments to "Sister Twister" you have been careless and disrespected them. Their correct username is "SwisterTwister" (there is no space, and it is related to the word Swiss not female sibling). Consider how you would feel if someone sent you a letter addressed to "A Sad Uza Man"? It's just plain rude not to get a person's name right, especially when it is spelled out in front of you. Furthermore, to add salt to the wound, you assumed that SwisterTwister was female and since "her" real name is David I am sure he did not appreciate the assumption. Again, consider how you would feel if someone sent you a letter addressed to "Mrs. Zaman" ?
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- Basic WP etiquette requires all talk page posts to be signed by the user by adding four tilde characters (~~~~) at the end of your message. By not signing your posts you send a subtle and unintended message that you are (a) incompetent to follow the simplest of procedures, or (b) too lazy to follow the simplest of procedures, or (c) too arrogant to follow the simplest of procedures. None of these are the message you actually want to send I am sure.
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- There is a big difference between a "User Page" and a "Talk Page". You left your message on my User Page (I moved it here to my Talk Page). User Pages are where users place (following WP rules and limits) their Wikipedia related biographies and list their views/interested/accomplishments on Wikipedia. It is a very personal page and editing someone else's User Page is the equivalent of (depending on the degree of change) something between toilet-papering their front lawn and spraying graffiti on the door of their office.
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- I want to talk about one last MAJOR etiquette issue that shows in your message above:
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- Above you said "apparently Swister Twister did not like my definition". One of the most important rules at Wikipedia is assume good faith aka WP:AGF. Your message makes it clear you are assuming quite the opposite, assuming that your article was redirected because it was "not liked" which is not the case as I will show.
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- You also misread/misinterpreted the explanation given when you said "she responded by saying the my definition was NOT CONVINCING???" SwisterTwister did not say that your definition was unconvincing, but rather "Your article had nothing to convince there's a solid article yet," which means that your article did not contain the WP minimum thresholds of content required for all stand-alone articles. If you read the WP:Your first article link SwisterTwister sent you you would find that ALL articles require what WP calls "WP:notability".
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PLEASE NOTE: "Notability" is a specialized term (aka jargon) here at WP and does not mean the same thing as the common dictionary definition of the word. While I am not an economist I'm quite sure there must be some specialized words in your field that have completely different meanings to non-economists, for example I think the word identification seems to have specialized meanings in your field.
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- Your article does not show WP:notability ... YET. I think it can show it, but you must find the appropriate sources and include them in the article. Click that link to understand our specialized definition of notability and then you can get your article on the road to being acceptable by WP standards. On the other hand, if you cannot find appropriate sources to establish notability it is not the end of the world. If "Money Pump" cannot be created as a "stand alone" article it can still be incorporated as a section inside the Dutch Book article. Probably starting with a phrase like A similar but different concept is called the "Money Pump". The difference between the two is ... In fact many really good articles started as sections inside other articles until enough documentation was found and incorporated into it to raise it (split it off) to stand alone status.
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- Your article has a lot of stylistic errors: Failure to include WP style references for all citations. Too many "go read this website" type entries. Paraphrase (but don't plagiarize) the website instead of just referring to it. You use the word "many" a lot but such a word requires references to verify what you mean by "many" (20%? 80%?) and also "many" out of what community?
- I have added a few tags to your article to show you some places where improvements can be added.
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- The first thing I recommend is get the chip off your shoulder if it is still there. I know you felt slighted by SwisterTwister but the fact that he did not reply is more than likely just because he gets hundreds of messages every week and occasionally he might miss one, as he did in your case. He is very helpful and very knowledgeable and you could do worse than to ask for his help and try and earn his respect. Recognize he is only human and so are you (and so is everyone else here).
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- The next thing I suggest is ask an admin for your existing Money Pump article content to be moved to "Draft Space" and for the redirect to Dutch Book to be removed for now. Read this blog article now. There your article can be incubated and improved until it is ready for prime time. If you are eventually able to establish notability then it can be returned to "Main Space". If you find that you cannot establish notability you can ask for the DRAFT: to be "merged" into Dutch Book or whatever article you think it would best fit inside.
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- Realize and remember that working at WP requires patience and understanding. Your work will be challenged by both sages and fools. That too is part of being a Wikipedian. Roll with the punches and always assume good faith. If someone is a jerk, be better than they are and stay collegiate even if they are rude. Don't lower yourself to their level. If they cannot "punch your buttons" they will usually go away and if they don't then there are a lot of ways to resolve disputes here, but the way you behave will play a large role in whether you prevail in such disputes.
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- You need to take some time and learn how things work here to be effective. Stop using phrases like "I am not a WIkipedian." You are a Wikipedian as soon as you try editing an article or in any way improving the Encyclopedia. The question is: Are you willing to study and learn how to be a quality Wikipedian? When you joined you got a Welcome message (it is still on your Talk page). Take some time to work your way through those links. Read the My First Article link that SwisterTwister sent you above. Additionally in your particular field also read WP:WikiProject Economics. Ask for input from other Wikipedians who are also economists if you get stuck. Most will be glad to help, just remember they are all volunteers and their time is just as valuable as yours.
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- And finally, since you hold both a BS and a PhD I have this advice especially for you. Writing a WP article is very much like writing an academic paper as part of a team. Others on the team will make contributions. Others on the team will disagree with you at times. Others on the team will even argue and debate what is the best way to say something or what is the best source to use. The key thing to remember is it is ALWAYS a pure basic research paper. No synthesis. No compare & contrast. No original research. Paraphrasing and summarizing is good. And cite everything (using one of the official WP ref styles) except common knowledge (with common being defined as the general public, not just the economics community).
I hope this all helps. Feel free to reply below if you have questions. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 05:18, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
WOW !! Thanks a lot for taking the time out to instruct me on all the mysteries. I will try to keep them in mind next time I need an intervention -- I just got to read this today 16th March -- I noted that my post on your user page had been deleted, but could not figure out where it had gone. You have taken a lot of time in explaining things to a newbie, as befits your chosen moniker. I appreciate it. Best wishes -- Asaduzaman (talk) 08:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
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Those questions
Hi, just a note to say I made a response to the post you made here [1] . Basically, I did not consider the questions to be disruptive, I think they were valid and pertinent questions, though maybe at first sight they were worded a bit too strongly and visually off-putting thanks to the use of bold text. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:58, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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I realize that you're kind of new here, but I'd like to know the reasoning behind reverting the edit I had done which was: A) Clearly intended as humourous or B) Gibberish
The article in question up to that point refers to Talkback, not Tuberculosis. You will also notice that the font was made small, which I construed to mean that it was a joke of some sort.
Edit may be seen [here] Regards, Aloha27 talk 23:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Aloha27. I reverted your edit and explained why in the edit summary here because it violated WP:TPOC which states: The basic rule—with some specific exceptions outlined below—is that you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission. None of the listed exceptions cover humorous interjection, and even the exception for off-topic discussion does not permit deleting another user's comments (preferring to hide it under a {{hat}} instead). Contrary to your belief that I am new here (and as I have stated clearly on my user page) I have been here a long time as an IP only editor. It is a long-held and deeply-seated view at WP that it is completely inappropriate to delete another user's comments anywhere except your own talk page. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 01:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- So, the simple fact that the entry had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic was lost on you? Regards, Aloha27 talk 02:27, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- No, it was not lost on me. I know what you did was with good intentions but what seems to be "lost" on you Aloha27 is that it does not matter if the comment was germain or not. I repeat: It does not matter. We do not delete other users comments except in very specific circumstances. Period. What you did was a serious violation of talk page etiquette.
- Do you understand that you made a mistake? that it was very disrespectful? and that you should never do it again? Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 10:29, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- So, the simple fact that the entry had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic was lost on you? Regards, Aloha27 talk 02:27, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)@Aloha27: KTOM is right here, there's normally very few reasons where you would need to remove or edit another editor's comments (all of which are clearly outlined here). Yes I agree the comment in question was clearly intended as humorous, but seeing as this took place at an administrative noticeboard you would do well to refrain from this in the future. By all means, leave EEng a message. Cheers -- samtar talk or stalk 12:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)