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Leif Erikson - Given Name vs Patronymic
Hello! You recently (28 May 2022) made an edit to the Leif Erikson article in which you replaced his given name (Leif) with his patronymic (Erikson) for all subsequent references to him. In the edit summary you linked to MOS:SURNAME, as if to indicate it supported your changes. The MOS does the exact opposite, saying "where a person does not have a surname but a patronymic (like many Icelanders, some Mongols, and those historical persons who are known by names-and-patronymics instead of surnames), then the proper form of reference is usually the given name." I believe your changes should be undone, but can you provide an argument as to why the MOS concerning patronymics shouldn't be used in Leif's case? Thanks! --Beneathtimp (talk) 20:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Beneathtimp: Hello, I looked at the MOS again and you're right, I didn't read the section in its entirety so that's a mistake and a miss on my part. Thanks for smartening me up on it, I'll undo my edit and try to make it consistent using the first name instead. TylerBurden (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing it! Beneathtimp (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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ANI
You seem like a fundamentally competent editor, so I hope that you will eventually do what you should have done much earlier, namely: go read WP:AGF, recognize your total failure to abide by it (as, e.g., illustrated by [1]), and chill out. FMS apologized to you fairly promptly, everything after that point has been pointless and absurd. (To help convince yourself of this, reflect on the content of the link in DreamFocus's post -- it shows major overlap in editing interest, including dozens of cases where you edited an article they'd edited first and vice-versa, with nearly all examples coming from before this kerfuffle. But I shouldn't need to point this out because a basic assumption of good faith on your part would have sufficed.) --JBL (talk) 21:23, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I know that we have an overlap, that has never been much of a problem, it is only the two examples I gave in the report that are the problem. Someone hounding me is not good faith, and from their talk page it doesn't look like I am the first person they have done this with. I thank you for the compliment and I can only say the same for you, you are an experienced and competent editor, seen nothing but sense from you thus far, so to not even see you call out their violation of WP:NPA was disappointing to me. I feel hounded, and you think I'm wrong evidently. I will leave the rest to the ANI discussion where I have presented my case and will not input on further unless pinged. TylerBurden (talk) 21:32, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Two edits is not hounding. They had already apologized, and you had allegedly already accepted the apology, by the time I first came to the thread. Please go read WP:AGF and understand what it says. JBL (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- FMS, that is not helping. JBL (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- So making a personal attack right after being reminded of the policy because of a complete lack of self control is not an issue that seems to warrant anything further? I did accept the apology, because I can take the petty shit these types throw out, that doesn't make it ok and that other people can. If it's not hounding, it's incredibly petty nonetheless and the Haaland example in particular is blatant. Now they're coming to my talk page upset that I am talking about them on my own, despite them talking about me on theirs without interference from me. TylerBurden (talk) 21:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- FMS, that is not helping. JBL (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Two edits is not hounding. They had already apologized, and you had allegedly already accepted the apology, by the time I first came to the thread. Please go read WP:AGF and understand what it says. JBL (talk) 21:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
June 2022
As a simple Wikipedian bystander, I looked over your ANI discussions in regards to the conflict. You were clearly being hounded, and anyone else who says otherwise is either siding with the opposition or isn't the brightest of sorts. I've had this pesky fmsky character recently revert articles that he didn't agree with my edits on. It's nothing personal, seeing as they may or may not have been justified, but it doesn't serve as an excuse to follow another user from page to page. You have your user rights here on Wikipedia just as everyone else does. I'm aware it sucks when things don't go in your favor but my advice is to just let this one slide and if it happens again, you'll have a solid case on your hands. Perhaps you should've done that to begin with instead of provoking the argument further, but case in point my advice still stands, because doing so will make you look like the one in the wrong. So until then, try to enjoy your time here on the site a little more without having to worry about that nonsensical behavior. Maybe that Jbl guy's right, sometimes forgiving and forgetting's the best thing to do, and can certainly go a long way. After all, I am merely a fellow Wikipedian bystander. Have a good day. XXCochiseXx (talk) 15:14, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @XXCochiseXx: Thank you, that is very nice of you to say. I guess the obsession with WP:AGF trumps viewing obvious behavioural issues as what they are, and calling them what they are. And both you and JBL have a point, it is probably something that is just best to move on from. If they continue the same behaviour, it will only be more obvious next time, so if they want to supply more evidence of their obvious hounding behaviour they can feel free to do so. And if they actually follow their own words, and avoid me, then that is also fantastic. Win-win situation. Thanks once again for the support. TylerBurden (talk) 22:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Camaraderie and commiseration:
I, too, had this freak FMSky revert my edits just randomly out-of-the-blue. So you aren't alone, I guess lmaoooo
SpicyMemes123 (talk) 06:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)