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Name-calling IP going over the top at Talk:Christopher Columbus
Hi Ed, I'm having trouble with an IP going off in long diatribes with extreme personal attacks on this talk page. Samples include "you are a Marxist agitator and propagandist", "Skunkwipe!", "Maoist scum!" "asshole!", "you two ding dongs", "neocommunists", and "your a fascist!", to be seen here. I keep removing his personal attacks, and he just responds with more of the same. Carlstak (talk) 05:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have blocked 68.99.102.135 (talk · contribs) for 24 hours due to the personal attacks. EdJohnston (talk) 15:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
Happy First Edit Day!
Happy First Edit Day, EdJohnston, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 06:08, 29 May 2022 (UTC) |
A follow up on Azov Regiment
- Azov Regiment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
[1]. To be honest, I wanted to ask during this 3RR report: which of these 4 diffs you think was not a revert? But I did not because I totally understand your point about collaborative editing. But what is happening now? I returned to editing this page after 3 weeks using "zero reverts" approach, and the user I reported on 3RR repeataedly reverts my edits on this page [2],[3],[4] (this is 3 reverts of my different edits on the same page, none of which was revert, during one day), follows my edits on another page to revert them [5],[6] (he never edited this page before), and incorrectly accuses me of a BLP violation [7], instead of discussing this first on their talk page [8] (note that edit summary in this diff was misleading: I posted question on the user talk page before they posted "BLP violation" on article talk page). Can I please consider your warning void? Needless to say, I am not going to edit war on this page. My very best wishes (talk) 11:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- This comment by MVBW is regarding a May 9 dispute about Azov Battalion from WP:AN3. The article has since been renamed to 'Azov Regiment'
- WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive451#User:M.Bitton reported by User:My very best wishes (Result: Filer warned)
- My May 10 warning on MVBW's talk page
- MVBW, it should not be too much trouble for you to get a consensus at Talk:Azov Regiment for the changes you want to make. I'm leaving a note for User:M.Bitton that you are mentioning him here, since you linked to his edits. EdJohnston (talk) 14:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, this is easy for some changes (because they do not cause anyone's objections), but not for others. Your warning was not an editing restriction (thank you!), but it does limit my ability and inclination to work on this page. That's why I asked. Just to clarify, please consider the following common situation. A contributor X (no, I do not mean specifically M.Bitton) insert a highly problematic text without consensus whatsoever. I'd like to revert his edit per WP:BRD, but I can not. But whatever. If that was your intention, then fine. My very best wishes (talk) 15:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why you are going behind my back to complain about me is anyone's guess. Let's just hope that you give some thought as to why I didn't report you when you started removing chunks of text (again) and even sources (claiming overcite while trying to present what is undisputed by RS as "alleged"). M.Bitton (talk) 15:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- That was not a complaint about you, but a question about me. As you can see, I only asked EdJohnston to void their warning about me. But I needed to explain why. My very best wishes (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- What's written speaks for itself. No comment necessary. M.Bitton (talk) 00:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I striked through a part of my comment. My very best wishes (talk) 03:48, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- What's written speaks for itself. No comment necessary. M.Bitton (talk) 00:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- That was not a complaint about you, but a question about me. As you can see, I only asked EdJohnston to void their warning about me. But I needed to explain why. My very best wishes (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Since I already replied to your comment, I suggest you mark your newly inserted content with
<ins>...</ins>
(as per WP:TALK#REPLIED). M.Bitton (talk) 00:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why you are going behind my back to complain about me is anyone's guess. Let's just hope that you give some thought as to why I didn't report you when you started removing chunks of text (again) and even sources (claiming overcite while trying to present what is undisputed by RS as "alleged"). M.Bitton (talk) 15:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, this is easy for some changes (because they do not cause anyone's objections), but not for others. Your warning was not an editing restriction (thank you!), but it does limit my ability and inclination to work on this page. That's why I asked. Just to clarify, please consider the following common situation. A contributor X (no, I do not mean specifically M.Bitton) insert a highly problematic text without consensus whatsoever. I'd like to revert his edit per WP:BRD, but I can not. But whatever. If that was your intention, then fine. My very best wishes (talk) 15:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- MVBW, it should not be too much trouble for you to get a consensus at Talk:Azov Regiment for the changes you want to make. I'm leaving a note for User:M.Bitton that you are mentioning him here, since you linked to his edits. EdJohnston (talk) 14:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- What is interesting to note here, is that after spending the whole day whitewashing Azov (by removing chunks of text at a time in the 1st of June, like they did before), they are complaining about this revert (a revert of their attempt at whitewashing the bothersome sourced statement that was added by myself 13 minutes earlier). The second revert is also their attempt at adding wikilinks to a sourced quote and the third is being discussed (as it involves a claim about a BLP). The claim that I followed them is also baseless since the last edit on Azov involved "Andriy Biletsky". M.Bitton (talk) 14:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
"Mosquito Coast" guy back at it
- 186.77.136.125 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Special:Contributions/186.77.136.0/24
- Whentimecomes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Hi Ed, well, our old friend the "Mosquito Coast" guy is back at it with a different IP and another user name,"Whentimecomes"; his new kick is going back to all the related articles to change text to redlinked "Mosquito Reservation" from "the Miskito Nation" (this is the same one who previously changed every mention of "Miskito" to "Miskitu". God knows what it's going to be next. This is getting to be ridiculous. Carlstak (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- My last thread on this guy is at User talk:EdJohnston/Archive 52#Rogue "Mosquito Coast" guy is back. Looks like an WP:RBI situation. I have put an indef block on Whentimecomes and a one month rangeblock on the /24. Thanks for your note. EdJohnston (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like User:186.77.132.166 edited the same articles and is currently unblocked. I'm not adept with blocking ranges so I brought it to you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Liz, I've blocked Special:Contributions/186.77.132.0/24 one month for now, and might expand the range later if it is not sufficient. Thanks for being so alert. EdJohnston (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I came across some of the edits and, I regret, I kind of went down the rabbit hole with this guy. I started looking at the articles he edited, started protecting a few that he had edited, both with registered accounts and as an IP, and I protected too many. All short term protection so I don't think there will be collateral damage. But first it was a few then, next thing I knew, it was over a dozen articles. I don't work much with combatting sockpuppets but I think the common wisdom is that it is easier to deal with the editors when they appear than protecting all possible targets. So, now I know.
- It's great that you have past involvement with this one so you and Carlstak know their habits and patterns. I noticed that they did, surprisingly, post an unblock request...not all of their edits were bad and they want to go legit and start contributing as a regular editor. That is probably unlikely but I think if they could control their instincts and work more collaboratively, it's possible they could become a potential contributor in an area where we don't have a whole lot of knowledgeable editors. Stranger things have happened! Liz Read! Talk! 05:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's true that this user is not a pure vandal. But the reason they are socking and block evading is apparently they don't want to comply with Wikipedia standards about sourcing and verification. EdJohnston (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- If I may: some of the guy's edits have been legit, but who has the time to check every edit by a prolific editor to make sure he's respecting policy or not slipping in some fringe stuff, especially when it so often contradicts the content already there? He's definitely of the school of very amateur historians who've latched onto the historical British colonial treatment of the Miskitu people as a "kingdom", and want to present that people as having a well-organized monarchical government that dealt as equals with European powers. The reality was a lot more tawdry than that: the British were using the Miskitu leaders for their own politically manipulative purposes and were happy to humor their pretensions to the trappings of royalty—and to say the Miskitu "Kingdom" was "relatively loosely organized" is an understatement.
- It's true that this user is not a pure vandal. But the reason they are socking and block evading is apparently they don't want to comply with Wikipedia standards about sourcing and verification. EdJohnston (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Liz, I've blocked Special:Contributions/186.77.132.0/24 one month for now, and might expand the range later if it is not sufficient. Thanks for being so alert. EdJohnston (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I know, this editor has never engaged on a talk page to present his case, but he has left deceptive summaries of some of his edits, and he has removed sourced content without explanation, replacing it with his own content, sometimes with his own sources. Those have to be checked, because he has not demonstrated that he is a trustworthy editor. I would be skeptical of his declared intentions in his unblock request, and I wonder who would check his work, because I don't have the time. Many of the articles he edits are on rather obscure figures, and few other editors have paid attention to what he's doing. Carlstak (talk) 18:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)