Festive co-incidence?
I was literally editing an article on an artist and her album, Happy Ever After (adding the link: here), when I got your timely wishes for NYE. Onya, mate. Cheers!shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:11, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Shaidar cuebiyar Ha! I like this bit from the link you shared: "it's a whole lot of positivity with a strong dose of reality that life is never perfect." That sounds like a good way forward into the new year. Netherzone (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ Let's make it our motto for 2022.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Right-O! How perfectly imperfect! Netherzone (talk) 01:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Shaidar cuebiyar hey mate, sorry about the drama you are enduring. I've been watching from the sidelines. Sending you support and admiration for your composure from the Northern hemisphere. Netherzone (talk) 03:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- You good wishes are appreciated. This is what makes wp so rewarding: good mates.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Shaidar cuebiyar hey mate, sorry about the drama you are enduring. I've been watching from the sidelines. Sending you support and admiration for your composure from the Northern hemisphere. Netherzone (talk) 03:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Right-O! How perfectly imperfect! Netherzone (talk) 01:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ Let's make it our motto for 2022.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Cookie award
- Thank you for a treat on the first day of the year Jmaxx37.
- Have you seen that ace userbox-maker WaddlesJP13 recently made two nice userboxes for hot springs...see here
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- You can copy the code if you want to add to your user page.
- Netherzone (talk) 15:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Epiphany
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Happy new year, in friendship! - Epiphany seems like a good day to say so, after a Bavarian peasants' mass (sorry, on the train home, no recent pics of that - just keep watching), and two DYK, even with a pic I took. I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! Thank you for the new years wishes. The Epiphany is a special day in so many ways. I'll keep watching for your most recent pix. Congrats on the two new DYKs, they look great! I'm considering nominating a article I created on the 4th, I'm pretty sure if can come up with a hooky-hook. See Truth or Consequences Hot Springs - the name alone is interesting, and there's a lot of history there. I'm heading back out West soon, and will be visiting old friends there. Magic and light to you in the new year. In friendship, Netherzone (talk) 15:08, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda,
- I saw your new photos, the Gambas alla plancha is making me hungry! Were you in the Canary Islands (a place I've always wanted to go)? Netherzone (talk) 23:50, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- yes, see latest pics, and go! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- see fish 17 Jan, that's new ;) - 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I am so glad to hear that his DYK ran while he was still alive. He sounds like a remarkable person, who must have been a wonderful friend. Ten years of Precious - so many people have been touched by these gifts of kindness. I remember when you sent me a beautiful blue jewel, I was in a funk that day, because things were not going to my expectations (when will I finally learn to let go of expectations, and simply embrace events and awareness from moment to moment? - it takes a lifetime I guess.) - Thanks for posting the pix, esp from the Canary Islands. They are now on my "bucket list"! Warm weather and the sound of the ocean sounds divine. Yesterday we got a big blizzard here - I've been shoveling snow for two days. Sending you good cheer, Gerda. Netherzone (talk) 22:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- see fish 17 Jan, that's new ;) - 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- yes, see latest pics, and go! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:46, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Wonderful wishes
To you. Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Truth or Consequences Hot Springs
![]() | On 16 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Truth or Consequences Hot Springs, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Apache leader Geronimo soaked in Truth or Consequences Hot Springs? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Truth or Consequences Hot Springs. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Truth or Consequences Hot Springs), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I could use some help
You probably know I work on New Page review. Sometimes I get stuck and I'm not sure if I should mark an article as patrolled, tag it with maintenance tags or nominate it for deletion. (NPP is really just triage). I think you're a very competent editor, and I value your judgement. Would you be able to take a look at Martin Höfer, and let me know what you think? Thanks, Vexations (talk) 21:54, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, Vexations I'll have a look momentarily. Please don't hesitate to ask again if you need help, I'm happy to assist. There have been times I considered learning more about how the New Page review process works, and wondered if I might enjoy doing some work in that area. Netherzone (talk) 21:59, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hello again Vexations - It's crystal clear it's an autobiography. It needs serious pruning of puffery, jargon, name-dropping, excessive detail/original research and primary sources. I'll start doing some trimming to be able to see how much is worth keeping; the rest should go to his personal website. Netherzone (talk) 22:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Drmies I saw you were also working on trimming the Martin Höfer article. I am beginning to wonder if it might be a hoax. The vast lions share of the sourcing is to he-and-his father's gallery/publishing house/business FAKT. None of the collections listed on his website verifiable, most of the exhibitions can't be verified. The article sourcing by other authors that "seemed" independent have ISBNs directed to the Hofer publishing house FAKT; some sources don't mention him at all. Then there is this interview: [1] - I'm not fluent in German, but I think it basically says that he and his father are in the business of marketing artworks through investment funds. Q. Art as in an investment pool, artists running a financial company: isn't that like fire and water?
A. Exactly this connection is an immense advantage and our unique selling point. On the one hand, we see the art market as a financial market, but at the same time we use its opportunities to promote artists. We support the artists in our pool in such a way that they rise in the ArtFacts ranking. In this way we increase the value of your works of art.
Then there is this (faux?) article written by his PR agent, Katja Schubach.[2] Do these patterns seem strange to you or am I being too skeptical and not assuming good faith? Netherzone (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Romani people
Hello @Netherzone, please have a look on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Turkish_and_Tatar_Y-DNA_genes_of_the_Muslim_Roma699 the source behind them, says nothing about turkish or tatar Y-DNA in muslim roma, the source says also nothing that muslim romani woman got children from turks or tatars men etc., the source says only about Genetic impacts of the Ottoman occupiers to the Host population to Romani people and Non Romani people, in this parts who once belongend to the ottoman empire. That's why I wanted to correct it but I can't. You know I'am blocked from editing the Romani Article. But If you read the source, you can understand what I mean, and fix it. Thanky --Nalanidil (talk) 13:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Nalanidil, I'm sorry, but WP:BLOCKEVASION states that "editors are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a blocked editor" as that is considered "proxy editing" or meat puppetry. I'd suggest just leaving the article alone. I also want to gently remind you that I had asked that you not post on my talk page, but rather use the article talk pages instead. I'd appreciate it if you would respect those wishes. Netherzone (talk) 15:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
LOL, @Netherzone, but you wrote and post allways on my talk page, isnt it strange? Who are you that you do that it? Well you didnt understand english, yet i see, because your answer have nothing to do with that what i have written. Well then...but also I please you...do not wrote or post on my talk page again, as you have did several times ok? vice versa...# Nalanidil (talk) 15:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Please remove the ad hominim attack towards me that you have placed on your user page WP:NPA. You are asking me to help you circumnavigate your block, and I respectfully declined. Now you are resorting to personal attacks again, STOP. All I have ever asked of you is to follow WP policies and guidelines. I ask you now that you do not contact me again. Netherzone (talk) 17:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I didnt ask you for unblock about editing the romani people article, i asked you that you should read the source and see what is written in the romani page doesnt hold water. This was ALL what i told you. But you cant understand my english, your answers is allways out of that, what i wrote !. Anyway you and some other users, are the reason that I left the english wikipedia. Now you ALL can be happy ! sincerely: Nalanidil (talk) 23:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
AFD or not
New here and would like to ask your opinion on notability of these artists: Ewa Doroszenko, BerriBlue --JakubDeWisniewski (talk) 13:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- @JakubDeWisniewski thank you for your message and for reaching out. I'm busy today, and it will take me a day or two to research these artists and look into the sourcing and also to see what else might be found. But I will get to it. Sometimes there is content that is not included in the article that could support it, and sometimes an article is filled with fluff and weak sourcing. That is why editors are asked to do a WP:BEFORE search before nominating (or !voting) on an AfD. Wikipedia's criteria for notability for artists can be found here: WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG. For info on what constitutes "reliable sources" see WP:RS, and for what is meant by significant coverage, see WP:SIGCOV. Hope that's helpful info for you in the meantime, and hope you enjoy your time here. WP is a remarkable place! Netherzone (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- @JakubDeWisniewski - This morning I went through both articles' sourcing, as well as an independent online search for each artist. I think Ewa Doroszenko is closer to meeting WP criteria for NARTIST and GNG, as her work is included in the two permanent collections. (I've added these to the article along with citations to the collected works). However, I'm not that certain of the notability of the two institutions, as my knowledge of the contemporary Polish art scene is limited (I'm mostly familiar with the 90s and 2000s in contemporary Polish art), but give it the benefit of the doubt that these are credible institutions based on their websites. There also is press coverage of her work in pieces with author by-lines, which indicates that they are probably not paid placement of PR (native advertising), which is a good sign. Re: BerriBlue my personal thoughts are that it is WP:TOOSOON for this artist to have an encyclopedia entry. She is in the emerging phase of her career, and the sourcing is weak (although there are a lot of refs in the article which makes it "appear" to be substantial coverage). There are a couple good sources, but most of it consists of blog posts, pieces without author bylines (probably paid PR), and primary sources (like her own website). The article reads as a promotional piece to me, with the possibility that it might be WP:UPE. I think in a few more years if she keeps going in the direction she is, there may be enough high-quality sourcing to support an article. So, in a nutshell, at this time, I think Ewa is notable, but BeriBlue is not. Hope these analyses are helpful to you, but keep in my that they don't reflect the community consensus (they are my policy-based opinions) - if you want to gain the feedback of the community, you could try posting on the talk pages of the respective articles, or WP:WikiProject Poland, or take either or both to AfD for the community to weigh in on. Best regards, and again, welcome to WP! Netherzone (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your detailed explanations, now is seems clear that Doroszenko should stay, but Berriblue's career is not there yet to be included--JakubDeWisniewski (talk) 20:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Jones block evasion and WP:LOUTSOCK
I've broadened the block, for all the reasons, including WP:NOTHERE. I considered a rangeblock on the IPs, but it's a bit wide. Still not out of the range of possibility, but protecting the article might be simpler. If he returns with another IP that the block didn't catch, we can semi the article. Feel free to ping me if this happens and I don't catch it promptly. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 22:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. It's obvious who it is, so even without the wide range block or PP it seems manageable. Will continue to keep an eye on this and will ping you if something seems odd. Netherzone (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- @CorbieVreccan, not sure if this is a sock or not, but a brand new editor's first edit was to Rolling Thunder (person) to make this edit [3] which was rightly reverted by @Indigenous girl. Netherzone (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Noticeboard discussion
Hello, Netherzone,
I wanted to let you know that I've started a noticeboard discussion, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Narcis Tacau, about the article you tagged for deletion. Feel free to participate in the discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:05, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Liz. Netherzone (talk) 02:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
February songs
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Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Georg Christoph Biller had to wait days for a Main page appearance under recent deaths, and then stayed not even for a full day. It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I like my talk today (keeping Biller a bit longer, and even explaining how it works), and managed to picture two more vacation days --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Today, I decorated my talk with a Bach cantata. I heard it last year when missing RexxS began, and "not letting go" was a theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- I saw the Bach cantata this morning on the Main page, Brava! A nice way to start a Sunday. The articles, images, friends, songs are all an outpouring of joy of life, and wonderful contributions. I've been working on improving/finishing up some of Possibly's drafts before they get deleted, and improving some of his stubs on women artists. It makes me sad as I really miss seeing him around, but it makes me feel good knowing that his good works live on here. The very best in friendship to you Gerda. I always enjoy hearing from you. Netherzone (talk) 19:43, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- thank you - my joy - more on my talk - Possibly drafts: thanks for doing that, and if you make just one edit to a draft it will be kept for 6 months! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- What a beautiful Featured Article! Congratulations! Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- thank you! - Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for sharing the spring flowers and music on Valentines Day! We got a light dusting of snow last night. This morning I created a short article on a woman photographer, Jacinda Russell from a draft that had been started by our late colleague Possibly a fellow Precious and Women in Red warrior who created hundreds of stubs and articles on women artist. Netherzone (talk) 20:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- stand and sing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Very timely. Thank you Gerda. Netherzone (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- I took the pic in 2009, and it was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Beautiful music, beautiful image - I love the reflection in the foreground. Netherzone (talk) 14:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- I took the pic in 2009, and it was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Very timely. Thank you Gerda. Netherzone (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- stand and sing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for sharing the spring flowers and music on Valentines Day! We got a light dusting of snow last night. This morning I created a short article on a woman photographer, Jacinda Russell from a draft that had been started by our late colleague Possibly a fellow Precious and Women in Red warrior who created hundreds of stubs and articles on women artist. Netherzone (talk) 20:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- thank you! - Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- What a beautiful Featured Article! Congratulations! Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- thank you - my joy - more on my talk - Possibly drafts: thanks for doing that, and if you make just one edit to a draft it will be kept for 6 months! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Possibly
Hi - I just came across a page with Possibly's greyed-out signature, and have since learned of his death. I didn't really know him well - we interacted a bit on Wiki, and we exchanged a few emails over the last couple of years; while I can't claim any close association with him, I did have huge regard for his judgment and editing skills. I see that you worked with him closely however, so please accept my belated condolences for the loss of a friend and colleague. If I may, I'd like to say a couple of other things.
First, I doff my cap to the work you've been doing to finish off the drafts he'd been working on. I don't want to tread on your toes in this work or to butt in where I'm not needed/wanted, but if there's anything I can do to help please let me know. Most of my content work is on architecture and 17th C history, if that helps.
Second, and please see this as something that I thought you might like to know, rather than an attempt to put any pressure on you to do anything, but Possibly and I were spit-balling ideas (over e-mail) for potential new admins around May of last year, and he suggested that you would be an excellent candidate. Unfortunately, the conversation kind of petered out - it was one of those things I'd meant to follow up on with him but never quite got around to. I thought you should know that he held you in very high esteem, and thought that you are exactly the sort of person who ought to be running things around here. Although that discussion never really concluded properly, I feel that I owe it to him to raise it with you, and to offer you my support if it is something you ever feel like pursuing - please reach out to me if you are interested and we can discuss it. I have enough faith in his judgment to assume that you would be more than up to the job.
Best wishes, Girth Summit (blether) 19:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) of a form. I followed Netherzone when we began collaborating on Possibly's drafts. Speaking for myself, but I'd say the more the merrier on working through Possibly's drafts since we all have the same goal of continuing their work. Star Mississippi 19:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks - I saw the list of drafts you put together on Possibly's talk page, is that the best thing to work from? Draft:Castle Ten Berghe jumps out as be as being something I might be able to contribute to - my Dutch isn't great, but I have a smattering, and I'm better at buildings than people - I'll start work at the weekend, unless Netherzone is already on the case and doesn't want intrusion (which I would totally understand). Girth Summit (blether) 20:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit and @Star Mississippi - re: Possibly's drafts and stubs...the more the merrier! Of course all editors are welcome to jump in. In addition to the drafts, Possibly left behind a legacy of stubs on interesting topics, and hundreds are on notable women artists. Look at his "Pages Created", it's mind boggling. I agree that he had excellent judgement and skills (and a great sense of humor).
- Girth, I'm humbled and honored by your words. Yes Possibly and I had some convos off wiki about this around that time and although I am interested in the notion of having access to a few more tools, at that time last May I felt like administration might "take the fun out of" editing, as I was worried that WP might start feeling like a job rather than pleasure. I think I have a better understanding and sense of boundaries now. I would not mind having a conversation in another venue (email or?) to gain a deeper understanding of what's involved. I have a lot of respect for our admins here and have learned so much from them, and would like to continue to learn more. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 21:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I completely understand what you mean about 'taking the fun out of editing' - it's easy to let that happen to you, and to allow the backlogs to get between you and the article you want to write. However, there is no minimum amount of admin stuff required, we're grateful for all the help we can get, so if you would be willing to help out, then I'd be very happy to talk to you about it off-wiki - please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 21:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit Thanks for these thoughts. I'll think on this in the next few days and get back to you via email either on or after the weekend, if that timing works for you. Netherzone (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, whatever timescale works for you. Girth Summit (blether) 21:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit Thanks for these thoughts. I'll think on this in the next few days and get back to you via email either on or after the weekend, if that timing works for you. Netherzone (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I completely understand what you mean about 'taking the fun out of editing' - it's easy to let that happen to you, and to allow the backlogs to get between you and the article you want to write. However, there is no minimum amount of admin stuff required, we're grateful for all the help we can get, so if you would be willing to help out, then I'd be very happy to talk to you about it off-wiki - please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 21:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- The castle for sure, but really anything that interests you. I also am going through User:Possibly#Has_potential as most of the In Progress ones have been handled. Wonder if there's something we can do around notable women artists for WHM as I alluded to below before seeing the rest of this thread. Star Mississippi 21:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks - I saw the list of drafts you put together on Possibly's talk page, is that the best thing to work from? Draft:Castle Ten Berghe jumps out as be as being something I might be able to contribute to - my Dutch isn't great, but I have a smattering, and I'm better at buildings than people - I'll start work at the weekend, unless Netherzone is already on the case and doesn't want intrusion (which I would totally understand). Girth Summit (blether) 20:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Lorraine Waxman Pearce
since I know you're interested in arts from our work on Possibly's drafts. Would love your eyes here if & when you have a moment. She's no brainer notable as the inaugural White House Curator, and meets GNG, but would love your art brain on it if there's anything obvious missing. I feel like she could be a fun story ahead of Women's History Month. If you don't have time/interest, no worries at all. Star Mississippi 21:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi hi there. I will have a look at it as we get closer to the weekend - my time frees up on Friday. She sounds fascinating! Netherzone (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. No rush at all. I built it with enough that it will survive AfD. And yes, she does. I think I'm making a March mini project of the curators. There aren't that many and in unshocking news, the ones without bios are majority women. NOt sure they're all notable, but could be covered somewhere. Star Mississippi 21:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Animal Locomotion
I know there is some duplication between our recent additions but we are edit conflicting so I will leave off for now. Agricolae (talk) 19:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for your help with this. Please continue if you have the time and interest. Glad the humble capybara has a home. :) - Netherzone (talk) 19:07, 26 February 2022 (UTC) Add courtesy ping to Agricolae. Netherzone (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- I will be back at some point. I had a (very incomplete) preliminary draft underway when you created the page with much better content, so I still have some material to add once I whip it into shape. Agricolae (talk)
- Agricolae would you happen to know if each series/sequence had a separate title by Muybridge? Netherzone (talk) 00:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know, but with 781 of them, I doubt there was a formal naming process beyond the descriptions he gives to each in the prospectus. Agricolae (talk) 01:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Agricolae, I think this new article would make an interesting DYK. I'm thinking about using Ostrich Running as an image and this as a hook:
- Did you know...that the 19th century photographer Eadweard Muybridge created over 100,000 images for his study Animal Locomotion that included ostriches and capybara?
- Would you like to be listed as an additional editor on the nomination? Netherzone (talk) 17:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, go for it. This is the kind of thing DYK likes. Your choice on listing me or not. (I generally don't bother with any of this Wiki-community stuff myself, having had bad experiences too many times).
- There is one thing that should probably be done before going in with this tag line. DYK needs the tag line to contain information found in the article, and cited there. While only appearing as an image might slide through, it would probably be better to throw mention of the ostrich into the text among the unusual species, but either way, it needs a citation.
- There are a few other areas for improvement that come to mind, though they probably don't have to be resolved before going in:
- The first is that my section does not mesh as well as it could with yours, there being perhaps too much duplication in discussing the subjects of his study between the Commission and Content sections (e.g. his use of humans and animals is mentioned in both Commission paragraphs as well as the Content paragraph). However, I haven't thought of a good way to reorganize things without leaving one part or another short of context, and it is not too bad as it is.
- Second, I am not in love with the listing of archives that hold items from the collection. The Muybridge archive is probably worthy of specific mention because of its direct link to the creator, but the remaining list seems arbitrary, based on just what online catalogs happened to turn up (if I'm not mistaken) when searching from Capybara Walking. The Huxley-Parlour cite I just added says the material is held by more than 90 institutions, and gives a list of noteworthy holding institutions that seems more diverse and shares only one member in common with our list (though I am hesitant to use it as a basis, because it is potentially coming into making the list with a bias itself, but at least it is an idnependent source making the determination on which holders are noteworthy).
- Third, there is probably something to be said about the fact that these works regularly feature in the exibits of major museums and galleries, internationally. I am finding frequent mention of either special or permanent exhibitions (e.g. the Tate, Huxley-Parlour, and NPR references already in article, for example), so this aspect of reception as art (and also as natural history) probably merits mention. Again, though, we want to be careful and not have it be just based on their own material to indicate that their exhibit is noteworthy. Huxley-Parlour may come to the rescue again, as in addition to documenting their own exhibit (non-independent so problematic) it includes a list of some institutions that have recently exhibited the work. Agricolae (talk) 00:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for these suggestions! I went forward with the DYK nom this morning, as I think the DYK will be of interest to our general readership. The article is in pretty good shape, and am grateful for your help. I added you as one of the creators, if you are opposed to that just let me know and I will remove your name.
- I like your idea to expand the reception section since these works have been widely exhibited internationally and sources exist.
- Re: the Huxley-Parlour citation, generally we do not use commercial galleries as reliable sources for certain types of information because commercial galleries are in the business to make sales. Therefore not an independent source. No doubt it's correct that images from the Animal Locomotion series are held in more than 90 institutional collections, but a better source would be an art history book or academic journal article, or even a museum since they are educational institutions rather than a merchant. Netherzone (talk) 19:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Agricolae, hmmm..... I've never had a weird experience before re: DYK, but you had mentioned that you did. The article went up today on the main page, and immediately a campaign was started to change the title, shortening it from Muybridge's actual title for his art/science commission and published portfolio, to something that is more "concise" per 'Pedia-isms. I'm flummoxed how the title of an artist's work can be "updated" by editors in another century because they believe the artist's original title does not conform to their version of what they think the artist should have titled the work. It is perplexing. Netherzone (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know, but with 781 of them, I doubt there was a formal naming process beyond the descriptions he gives to each in the prospectus. Agricolae (talk) 01:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Agricolae would you happen to know if each series/sequence had a separate title by Muybridge? Netherzone (talk) 00:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- I will be back at some point. I had a (very incomplete) preliminary draft underway when you created the page with much better content, so I still have some material to add once I whip it into shape. Agricolae (talk)
March songs
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Listening to the charity concert mentioned here. I created the articles of the composer and the soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Gerda! Thank you for this, what a terrific duo of articles. I'm so impressed with the Ukrainian singer, pianist, organist, conductor, composer and academic teacher - and the photo of her is wonderful. Beautiful work, my friend. Happy March! Netherzone (talk) 08:28, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Now, you can also listen on YouTube, and more music, the piece by Anna Korsun (no photo) begins after about one hour, and the voices call "Freiheit!" (freedom, instead of "Freude", joy). Music every day, pictured in songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Bach's No. 1 today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- I saw that this morning when I checked the main page! Congratulations on your contributions, Gerda, bringing music into the daily lives of our readers! Happy spring... Netherzone (talk) 16:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- thank you - Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- I saw that this morning when I checked the main page! Congratulations on your contributions, Gerda, bringing music into the daily lives of our readers! Happy spring... Netherzone (talk) 16:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
Mark Flood (artist)
We were editing Mark Flood (artist) at the same time and my save may have removed some of your work. Sorry. Please put your changes back in. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:16, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Anomalocaris, Hello! I reverted your good faith edit because it restored the unsourced resume-like list of shows. The main problem remaining is that the shows and collections are completely unsourced. He's obviously notable, however the article was promotional and not in compliance with MOS. I agree that it can be improved. Netherzone (talk) 05:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- No problem. Since the article was much shorter after your work, it wasn't hard to restore my edits. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hello again, the Bibliography section is sourced to Amazon to buy/sell books using embedded external URLs. This is non-standard formatting and the links to Amazon sales is WP:PROMO. I will be removing the Amazon links. If reliable sources can be found those should be added instead. Netherzone (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- No problem. Since the article was much shorter after your work, it wasn't hard to restore my edits. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Animal Locomotion: An Electro-photographic Investigation of Consecutive Phases of Animal Movements
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- Thanks for the notification @Theleekycauldron and for all you do for the world of Did You Knows. Netherzone (talk) 00:18, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
A prize for you
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It would be easy to let things get deleted, and it's work to improve articles in a rush to keep them, but you are doing it, and it's improving Wikipedia and so I award you the (completely made up) rescue helicopter badge CT55555 (talk) 13:19, 28 March 2022 (UTC) |
- Thanks so much! Not everything belongs on Wikipedia, but when I find something that can be improved and may be of interest to our readership, I tend to jump in if I have the time. So nice to meet you here! Netherzone (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
April
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funny, I received a similar award ;) - memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the flowers, Gerda! The daffodils and forsythia are blooming in my garden, and the helebore still have flowers which last soooo long! This week I've sown seeds for herbs and lettuces. There is nothing like a freshly picked salad! Congrats, as always, on your recent DYKs, and thank you for the heads up about the Pink Floyd video to support Ukraine! I really enjoyed watching that. Pray for peace. Be well my friend! Netherzone (talk) 19:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda, some grape hyacinth for you! They have naturalized in my tiny urban garden, and bring such joy each spring. First yellow flowers, then purple mark spring here. In good cheer, Netherzone (talk) 03:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, saw some today! - Wikipedia:Main Page history/2022 April 13: the TFA is hard to overlook, but there are also peace prayers, a soprano and a theatre manager, - if you don't find them try here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Easter - resilience - Spring - thank you for improving articles in April --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda, some grape hyacinth for you! They have naturalized in my tiny urban garden, and bring such joy each spring. First yellow flowers, then purple mark spring here. In good cheer, Netherzone (talk) 03:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda, some pink azaleas from my little urban garden for you on this spring day. To life! Netherzone (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- thank you, how vibrant! ... now you can listen to what I heard live yesterday: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here - dove sono as encore --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh yes I will definitely give it a listen when I come back from my walk today! Thank you dear! Re: vibrancy - this pink azalea delights me every year and it just keeps getting more and more superabundant as the years go by. I mulch the soil beneath it with the dried flowers (that I shake off), and I think this may be the secret to its supreme health. There is another azalea in my garden, with violet-colored flowers. Depending on the light they sometimes look red-violet, sometimes blue-violet and sometimes magenta. Glorious! I am thankful for such beauty in the world. Netherzone (talk) 16:23, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- thank you, how vibrant! ... now you can listen to what I heard live yesterday: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here - dove sono as encore --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda, some pink azaleas from my little urban garden for you on this spring day. To life! Netherzone (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
May
May is triple purple/violet month - lilacs, red violet azaleas and bleeding hearts all blooming together! The violets are blooming too, but I couldn't get them in the photo. Netherzone (talk) 19:52, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
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today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your Playlist for Peace! Ever onward with imaginary sets - I like this idea a lot. Netherzone (talk) 03:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- May flowers in my little urban garden - wood hyacinth, purple iris, magenta clematis, and pink coral bells. Of course I think Ladislaja Harnoncourt should have an article, not just her sons. I'll see if I can find anything more out there to improve the article, or even an historical image. I'm reminded of a project on my "To Do" list, which is to start a list of Native American matriarch potters, women who passed down their craft and techniques to multiple generations. Some info on a few of them (who already have articles) HERE. The lineage and descendants of these women are fascinating, and there are many more... Ever onward! Netherzone (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- thank you for sharing, lovely! - today Melody (not by me), and more pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- ... and thank for improving articles in May! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- my choir in Idstein performed an evensong (pictured), two years and two months after the last! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- a strong woman --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for sharing your newest creations. I was recently in California visiting an old friend. We went to the Huntington Library Art Gallery and Botanical Gardens, the Desert Garden was most impressive as was the Japanese Garden and bonsai collection. Here is a photo of an impressive and unusual cactus, I'm still working on positively identifying it; it's two distinct growth patterns are fascinating. Netherzone (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- That's magnificent! My expert in plants is Meneerke bloem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- The gardens were exquisite - one of the best I've seen. Thank you for the referral! Netherzone (talk) 19:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- That's magnificent! My expert in plants is Meneerke bloem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for sharing your newest creations. I was recently in California visiting an old friend. We went to the Huntington Library Art Gallery and Botanical Gardens, the Desert Garden was most impressive as was the Japanese Garden and bonsai collection. Here is a photo of an impressive and unusual cactus, I'm still working on positively identifying it; it's two distinct growth patterns are fascinating. Netherzone (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- May flowers in my little urban garden - wood hyacinth, purple iris, magenta clematis, and pink coral bells. Of course I think Ladislaja Harnoncourt should have an article, not just her sons. I'll see if I can find anything more out there to improve the article, or even an historical image. I'm reminded of a project on my "To Do" list, which is to start a list of Native American matriarch potters, women who passed down their craft and techniques to multiple generations. Some info on a few of them (who already have articles) HERE. The lineage and descendants of these women are fascinating, and there are many more... Ever onward! Netherzone (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
ELs
Hi, about external links, is it ok to link to foreign language wikipedia pages? For example, for the Langstrup belt plate there's a wikipedia page in Danish but not one in English. That's why I linked to the Danish National Museum page instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ario1234 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ok I've figured out how to do it without it being an external link. Ario1234 (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Ario1234 glad you figured it out! It's fine to do the inter-wiki link, but not links to external sites. Netherzone (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Utopian socialism
Hello, my edit to the Utopian socialism page had been removed on you request due to being improperly referenced. Could you please tell me what I need to do to reference it? The page Neo-utopian socialism, which I have not been able to create yet, is the original source of the philosophy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheUtopiaProject.Neet (talk • contribs) 01:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nevermind, saw the sectionn on "No original research". Sorry, its my first day, you can remove this. TheUtopiaProject.Neet (talk) 02:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your message TheUtopiaProject.Neet - you found my talk page on your first day – Hello! Glad to hear you saw No Original Research, that's important, but my message to you was more about adding content without adding a citation as a reference in a reliable, verifiable, independent source to back up the content. That's how things work on WP - article content needs to be referenced. Here's a link to info on citing sources: WP:CS. It takes a while to learn how things work here in this awesome collaborative project. Welcome! Netherzone (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks heaps -I will be more diligent in the future. TheUtopiaProject.Neet (talk) 03:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- My talk page is always open if you have questions, and there is the Tea House WP:TEAHOUSE a friendly place to ask questions, and also the Help Desk WP:Help as well. Netherzone (talk) 03:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks heaps -I will be more diligent in the future. TheUtopiaProject.Neet (talk) 03:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your message TheUtopiaProject.Neet - you found my talk page on your first day – Hello! Glad to hear you saw No Original Research, that's important, but my message to you was more about adding content without adding a citation as a reference in a reliable, verifiable, independent source to back up the content. That's how things work on WP - article content needs to be referenced. Here's a link to info on citing sources: WP:CS. It takes a while to learn how things work here in this awesome collaborative project. Welcome! Netherzone (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Help me remember
Please do aid me, when creating WP:DOE aka the 'cheat book' after I named it DOE, for some reason that I can’t really recollect I felt an overwhelming urge to name it WP:UPEBULLSEYE, I’m not so sure now, but since you have done the honors of naming almost all my essays did you ever suggest the name UPEBULLSEYE to me? Celestina007 (talk) 02:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Celestina, I can't recall coming up with UPEBULLSEYE, I'll bet you did! DOE is good too. I might have suggested WP:DUPE which is a double entendre, but it currently redirects for some reason to Proposed Article Mergers. Death of undisclosed paid editing would be a better target for DUPE, IMO. Netherzone (talk) 03:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Courtesy ping Celestina007 Netherzone (talk) 03:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh my! the double entendre is so spot on! Celestina007 (talk) 03:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Celestina007, I wonder if there is a process to usurp WP:DUPE, the way one can usurp an unused user-name. Or a procedure like RfC to get community feedback on redirecting to a new target? Netherzone (talk) 13:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- I did a little more investigation, and WP:DUPE is a redirect with zero page views - see here: [4] so it seems unused. I am wondering if a query at Redirects for Discussion WP:RfD might be worth persuing. Netherzone (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh my! the double entendre is so spot on! Celestina007 (talk) 03:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- You are indeed apt but I literally do not think I have the stamina for that unfortunately, All of a sudden I have developed high blood pressure, this was like a month ago or less when my personal doctor spotted I was hypertensive, 152/113 is my current reading as of today, what this is doing to me is that it is draining my energy, I have a terrible migraine and I’m always fatigued thus the reason I can’t undergo anything extremely mentally draining, it exacerbates the migraine, prior now I didn’t have the aforementioned symptoms but now it is getting worse. Celestina007 (talk) 21:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Celestina007 ugh, that sounds unpleasant - it is so frustrating when ones energy is drained, it affects all the systems in the body. Be well and listen to your inner voice. Breathe.... Savasana.... Netherzone (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks NZ, I’m currently laying on a sofa, I intend to relax and enjoy editing, conversing with my friends (You) and doing rather simpler things for now, did you just say savasana? Did you study under a sadhguru? or dabble in oriental(Indian) mysticism? the savasana (शवासन) is the last pose done in Indian mysticism it is also called the pose of death it is usually done after reciting the OM mantra 108 times, I’m so amazed right now! Celestina007 (talk) 22:17, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- ...like a fresh start, complete system reboot! Hope you feel better today with no migraine. Savasana may help with the blood pressure. Netherzone (talk) 12:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks NZ, I’m currently laying on a sofa, I intend to relax and enjoy editing, conversing with my friends (You) and doing rather simpler things for now, did you just say savasana? Did you study under a sadhguru? or dabble in oriental(Indian) mysticism? the savasana (शवासन) is the last pose done in Indian mysticism it is also called the pose of death it is usually done after reciting the OM mantra 108 times, I’m so amazed right now! Celestina007 (talk) 22:17, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- You are indeed apt but I literally do not think I have the stamina for that unfortunately, All of a sudden I have developed high blood pressure, this was like a month ago or less when my personal doctor spotted I was hypertensive, 152/113 is my current reading as of today, what this is doing to me is that it is draining my energy, I have a terrible migraine and I’m always fatigued thus the reason I can’t undergo anything extremely mentally draining, it exacerbates the migraine, prior now I didn’t have the aforementioned symptoms but now it is getting worse. Celestina007 (talk) 21:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Eleanor Munro
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Draft:Robert Rector (artist)
Hi! If you have the time/interest, mind a look at this with your nose for artists? No worries if not. He seems borderline NARTIST, but sourcing independent of his galleries is thin. Any suggestions on where to look? Thanks either way Star Mississippi 16:28, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! I took a quick look at the draft, and did a quick online search. I was able to verify three collections: Ogden Museum, Brooks Museum and Louisiana Stae Collection which would put him over the bar of WP:NARTIST. Regarding the current state of the draft, it seems to be written from the point of view of his gallery, which isn't great because it may seem a bit promotional. Some of the current sourcing is weak, either user submitted such as AskArt ("submit your bio" pay to play) or simple name checks that do not count towards GNG. I have a question for you, do you know if the Mississippi Encyclopedia a reliable source, or is it like Wikipedia? I'm not familiar with it, but they seem to have a substantial editorial board.[5] If it is RS, then I think that might also pass WP:ANYBIO. I think the draft can be moved to mainspace and would survive AfD. I'm about to head out for a walk before it possibly rains, but can do a little work on it later this afternoon. Netherzone (talk) 16:58, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, as always. What I know re: Mississippi Encyclopedia from other searches and some coverage is it's a hybrid and very much depends on who has written a particular article. It's not ideal in and of itself other than for non controversial information, but their better articles show their work. In this case, the Rector article is written by Patti Carr Black who has some subject-matter expertise as a published author and former director of Jackson's Old Capitol Museum so I'd think it would be usable. I can see the section on Rector, but it's the same rehash of the corporate collections and it's unclear where that information itself is coming from. Good to know this is worthy of continued digging. Enjoy your walk! I should do she same. Star Mississippi 17:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi I've cleaned up the Rector draft adding verifiable citations for three collections, and removing the promotional/advertorial tone. I was wondering if you could have a look at this draft: Draft:Alan Shields. I was helping a new editor who seemed to have lost interest with it after it was declined. Shields is a very well known artist! I've added many citations, so the collections and exhibitions are now referenced. If it looks good to you would you mind moving it to article space? I don't think I have permissions to move drafts to main space. Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay, I finally went out and jumped in a few puddles. Nothing better than being outside in spring especially when rain drowned the pollen. Off to look at the draft now and I'm sure I'll be moving it. You definitely have the experience to be a draft reviewer. I can't recall what hoops that permission requires jumping through,but let me know if you want me to look into it on your behalf. Star Mississippi 01:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Accepted. He's definitely notable, as you well knew. If an interest in BUcky Fuller brought you to Shields, you might find this article a fun read. Ms. Burstyn hosted a talkback after a screening of House of Tomorrow and it was such a delight to learn more about Fuller. Thanks again on Rector. Definitely learning a lot more about art sourcing. Star Mississippi 01:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Glad you jumped in some puddles! My walk was long and much needed, and I got caught in the rain which was really refreshing. I am SO glad it's Spring. Thank you for moving Alan Shields to article space. I answered your question about studio/loft/home on the article talk page, and will look into the sources to try to disentangle the ambiguity. Ooh, the Burstyn-Bucky Fuller NYT article looks interesting, looking forward to reading it. If you find a moment to look into draft reviewer perms I'd appreciate that. I think I can help out with the backlog, and would communicate and seek advice if I was unsure about a draft. Netherzone (talk) 01:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Something about the rain that makes us all kids again, especially in this complex world we're living in. I came home so muddy and loved it.
- Had a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants and you definitely meet all the criteria and then some. It looks like you just need to make an edit request to get approved. You'll find the AfC reviewers to be a helpful lot as they know more reviewers, less "work" all around. Timtrent and Robert McClenon specifically have been fonts of advice as I learned the ropes. And yes, figured studio question was better for the Talk as other editors interested in Shields might have input. Star Mississippi 13:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Glad you jumped in some puddles! My walk was long and much needed, and I got caught in the rain which was really refreshing. I am SO glad it's Spring. Thank you for moving Alan Shields to article space. I answered your question about studio/loft/home on the article talk page, and will look into the sources to try to disentangle the ambiguity. Ooh, the Burstyn-Bucky Fuller NYT article looks interesting, looking forward to reading it. If you find a moment to look into draft reviewer perms I'd appreciate that. I think I can help out with the backlog, and would communicate and seek advice if I was unsure about a draft. Netherzone (talk) 01:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi I've cleaned up the Rector draft adding verifiable citations for three collections, and removing the promotional/advertorial tone. I was wondering if you could have a look at this draft: Draft:Alan Shields. I was helping a new editor who seemed to have lost interest with it after it was declined. Shields is a very well known artist! I've added many citations, so the collections and exhibitions are now referenced. If it looks good to you would you mind moving it to article space? I don't think I have permissions to move drafts to main space. Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, as always. What I know re: Mississippi Encyclopedia from other searches and some coverage is it's a hybrid and very much depends on who has written a particular article. It's not ideal in and of itself other than for non controversial information, but their better articles show their work. In this case, the Rector article is written by Patti Carr Black who has some subject-matter expertise as a published author and former director of Jackson's Old Capitol Museum so I'd think it would be usable. I can see the section on Rector, but it's the same rehash of the corporate collections and it's unclear where that information itself is coming from. Good to know this is worthy of continued digging. Enjoy your walk! I should do she same. Star Mississippi 17:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Drafts
Sorry if this is not the right way to get in contact with you regarding the other drafts I'm working on! The ones that I think are you may be interested in Jusaburō Tsujimura a Japanese puppeteer, puppet maker and dollmaker, Sal Salandra, an American needlepoint artist, and Sara Penn, an American gallerist, fashion designer, and curator. I realize these might not be directly in line with your interests, but if you see any that you find interesting let me know! I want to thank you again for your help with my Alan Shields article, I'm really happy it got published! Chainsawpunk (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Chainsawpunk. This is definitely a good way to reach editors. You'll see it was my conversation with @Netherzone just above that led to the Alan Shields article move. If it's a question that is more about the content, such as my loft/studio question, you may want to put it on Draft_talk:Jusaburō_Tsujimura, for example. Look forward to working with you. Star Mississippi 20:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi Got it, thank you and I'm looking forward to working with you too, as well as getting used to the ins and outs of this website as an editor! Chainsawpunk (talk) 20:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! This is a fine place to communicate. As @Star Mississippi mentions, for things specific to the individual drafts we can use the associated talk pages. I've watch listed all three and will have a read thru in the next few days. @Chainsawpunk, congratulations on your first article! A job well done. I looked for a free image of his work, but couldn't find one. But I did add a historical portrait under a fair-use license. I'm not sure about the rules for fair-use for works of art, StarM, would you happen to know? If not, I'll ask around, perhaps on the WikiProject Visual Arts talk page. ChainsawP, do you know about WikiProjects? They are a good way to join together with other editors with common interests, or to get topic-related feedback from others. More info can be found here: [Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory]. Hope you enjoy your time here, it's an amazing community. Netherzone (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Good timing. I just happened to be on Faith_Ringgold and noticed we have a fair use image there so I would think it would be OK. I'm not an expertise in images so would definitely want that verified from one of arts-related projects. Possible too someone at WP:GLAM would know. @Chainsawpunk, GLAM is a collaboration of edits and editors working on museums, galleries and other cultural organizations and there are some very knowledgeable editors there too. In short, you'll find a welcoming community and folks are happy to answer questions or help find it. Welcome to this fun habit. Star Mississippi 02:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! This is a fine place to communicate. As @Star Mississippi mentions, for things specific to the individual drafts we can use the associated talk pages. I've watch listed all three and will have a read thru in the next few days. @Chainsawpunk, congratulations on your first article! A job well done. I looked for a free image of his work, but couldn't find one. But I did add a historical portrait under a fair-use license. I'm not sure about the rules for fair-use for works of art, StarM, would you happen to know? If not, I'll ask around, perhaps on the WikiProject Visual Arts talk page. ChainsawP, do you know about WikiProjects? They are a good way to join together with other editors with common interests, or to get topic-related feedback from others. More info can be found here: [Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory]. Hope you enjoy your time here, it's an amazing community. Netherzone (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi Got it, thank you and I'm looking forward to working with you too, as well as getting used to the ins and outs of this website as an editor! Chainsawpunk (talk) 20:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Surreal Barnstar |
Thank you for using your experience and skills to defend against sexism and double standards. SleepyWhippet (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2022 (UTC) |
- @SleepyWhippet thank you for the barnstar, and thank you for creating an article on an important woman designer! Ever onward..... Netherzone (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Alan Shields Portrait
Hello! I am trying to add some photos to my new articles, and wanted to ask how you went about finding the portrait of Alan Shields that you added to my article. Is there a specific website to look for license free images? I've been consistently wrong when I've uploaded pictures. Chainsawpunk (talk) 16:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Chainsawpunk The portrait image I uploaded was not copyright free, however it was uploaded to Wikipedia within the fair use licensing and specifications for a "historical portrait of a deceased person". The image rules are incredibly confusing and complicated, but that is something I do know how to do. Here is my collection of image sourcing links, you may find some of them useful. Whenever I learn something about images, I try to copy the info to a sub-user page so I can refer to it.
Do not upload fair use files to Commons (as MarchJuly reminded us) - upload it directly to WP. There should be a link on the left side of the screen that says "Upload File". If you have trouble finding that link here is the direct link to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard.
- ===Image sourcing===
- National archives, digital imaging collection (some no copyright, some fair use)
- Public Domain Search
- National archive NAm link and here:[6]
- New Mexico History Museum archives
- [7] Palace of the Governor's photo archive (need better link)
- Free Image Search Tool
- A useful list of image sourcing from Lopifalko:
- Creative Commons web search
- Upload to Wikimedia Commons
- National Media Museum images in Flickr's Commons without Copyright
- New York Public Library on Flickr
- New York Public Library Farm Security Administration Collection: 1935-1944 on Flickr
- Museum of Photographic Arts on Flickr
- Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums on Flickr
- National Library of Scotland on Flickr
- The National Archives UK on Flickr
- George Eastman House on Flickr
- Upload/Flickr
- Uploading images
- Template:Please see
- Guide to image deletion
- Template:Non-free 2D art – for example see File:Edward_Ruscha.jpg
- WP:FAIR Fair use
- WP:UPLOAD WP Uploader for images that can't be uploaded to Commons, such as fair use
- Western Mining History - good source of historical images of mining camps (and a few hot springs) [8]
- Palace of the Governors photo archive for New Mexico historical photos: [9]
- Western Nevada Historical Society Photo Archive: [[10]]
- Free-use food images [11]
- Historical photos of the Owens Valley, CA
- Historic photos of L.A. transportation
- Northern California digital collections[12]
- WP:CONSENT to get consent of copyright holder
- Wikipedia:File copyright tags/Free licenses
- Wikipedia:Image use policy
- Commons:Own work
- WP:DERIVATIVE
- [[[:c:COM:2D copying|here]]
- Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter
- c:COM:CB#Museum and interior photography
- ====Licenses====
- Hirtle Chart of WP/Commons Licences and criteria
- Template:PD-US-no notice
- Template:PD-US-not renewed
- File copyright tags
- Requesting copyright permission
- File copyright tags/Free licenses
Netherzone (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Chainsawpunk (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- If you have trouble figuring it out the uploading and licensing, you can post a link to the image here or on an article talk page (ping me) , or email it to me (click on email this user) and I may be able to help out. Netherzone (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Multiple Issues/Improvement Template
Hi @Netherzone
Sorry to bother again, but I was wondering if you can help me understand something (or point me to the relevant place where I can read the policy): I thought it may be a good idea for me to try to improve some already existing articles in order to better familiarize myself with tone of voice and structure of WP articles and better my research skills. To that end, I did a little of work on Patricia Urquiola, and in doing so I noticed it's a tagged with a "multiple issues" template. So I had two questions:
First, at one point does that tag get removed or who gets to do so? Can I go ahead delete it now that I have added more citations?
Second, is there a central database where I can find other articles that need to be improved (Ideally centered on [female] designers or artist) if I want to continue to practice?
Thanks SleepyWhippet (talk) 21:12, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @SleepyWhippet, hello! You are not bothering me - if I don't respond immediately to messages, it's usually because I'm busy in "real life".
- To answer your questions, Re: Patricia Urquiola, it's really best for an uninvolved editor to remove maintenance tags, I'm happy to do that after I review the citations. She is obviously notable by way of the museum collections. So she meets WP:NARTIST and the article will not be deleted, The sources could be improved by adding citations in independent reliable sources have written about her - that way she will also meet WP:GNG our general notability requirement.
- As to finding other articles you can improve, you may want to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, there is a lot of information on their main page, including "redlists" [[13]] for women who don't have articles yet. If you start an article on one of these women, I'd suggest choosing those that already have citations on their entry, that will help with choosing women who are already likely notable.
- Don't be discouraged if your edits or creations are reverted or deleted. It happens to all of us, and it is never personal. WP has guidelines and policies that govern notability that were determined through consensus over a period of years. Keep asking questions, here or at the WP:TEAHOUSE, or WP:HELPDESK or the talk page of Women in Red WT:WIR. Best regards and happy editing. Netherzone (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Netherzone thanks, I joined Women in Red and will read through the project pages.
- I have to say tho, in the process of joining the project, I went over to Commons to pick a profile photo, and somehow ended up in a rabbit hole about this image series and its various deletion discussions over the years (NSFW)-- somewhat disheartening to see how rules can be cherry picked and disingenuously applied to serve/amuse a few seemingly "powerful" wikipedians -- I know this is completely off topic, but it just feels like such stark demonstration of the diff between what we would may find sensible in the real world vs. wikipedia consensus -- that content is obviously misogynistic by any objective standard and shouldn't have a place on WP.., not in 2022, In fact I wonder how many of the commentators from 2012 would still make the same argument today. But sadly it seems like because "it was extensively discussed" at some point, now it's enshrined and staying forever. anyway I digress.., I think I should just stay focused and not veer too far off what I meant to do here so as not to get distracted with side issues, of which there seems to be alot! SleepyWhippet (talk) 01:46, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have any interest in the list of images you linked to whatsoever, so I will not comment on that. To my way of thinking the rules, guidelines and policies are neutral and that WP is an ever-evolving work in progress. Sorry to hear that you have had negative experiences. Hope things go better for you in the future! Netherzone (talk) 02:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Netherzone I'm sorry too, I really didn't mean to be lurid, or derisive of the whole organization. I know it may not sound like it, but I really don't have an axe to grind, and genuinely am trying to stay positive and try in my tiny way to do some good... It's almost comically absurd that I went from being excited to join Women in Red, to immediately coming across something I never thought would be here.., then thinking "Oh, I have now learned a few things, so I can help by nominating this for deletion".., only to realize, inexplicably that's not possible and anyone who's tried has gotten attacked. It's as coincidental and innocent as that. I guess I was just processing the sort of "whiplash" of it and I don't have anyone to talk to about this IRL, hence my impertinence on your talk page, I apologize. Have a lovely rest of your evening (day?). SleepyWhippet (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have any interest in the list of images you linked to whatsoever, so I will not comment on that. To my way of thinking the rules, guidelines and policies are neutral and that WP is an ever-evolving work in progress. Sorry to hear that you have had negative experiences. Hope things go better for you in the future! Netherzone (talk) 02:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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