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Current template makes it unnecessarily difficult to add new sort keys
Will someone please generate revised code that allows this template to place articles with {{set index article|<ARBITRARY_KEY>}} into [[:Category:Set indices on <ARBITRARY_KEY>]]? The SIA category tree is woefully underpopulated, because right now, automatically adding SIA's to a new category requires either developing and requesting an edit to this protected template, or creating a whole new template. —swpbT 14:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Add DISAMBIG
Per mw:Extension:Disambiguator#Usage, please add __DISAMBIG__ somewhere in the template text so that the pages are correctly identified as disambiguation pages. I've checked Special:ExpandTemplates and the current revision of this template is not including the required magic word. Nemo 14:12, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{edit protected}}
template. Wikipedia:Set index articles does say that this template is used on pages that are not disambiguations. Now, I do think there could be a difference between a disambiguation in this sense and a disambiguation in this sense but I'd like a second opinion - also whether other templates need to be altered. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:23, 14 August 2016 (UTC)- Yes, set index pages are deliberately not considered as disambiguation pages. older ≠ wiser 14:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
- Absolutely; SIAs are much more flexible in their formats than disambiguation pages, allowing images, multiple wikilinks per line if appropriate, etc. They are a subset of list articles, not a subset of disambiguation pages. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, set index pages are deliberately not considered as disambiguation pages. older ≠ wiser 14:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
add ancient Greece and ancient Rome
There are many set indices about people from ancient Greece and Rome incorrectly added to the sub-categories of Category:Articles about multiple people. I propose two new switches, "ancient Greece" and "ancient Rome", to add articles to the respective categories Category:Set indices on ancient Greece and Category:Set indices on ancient Rome (to be created). Thanks. --Azertus (talk) 17:38, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Would these categories be used just for people? Peter coxhead (talk) 18:58, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- I imagine people would comprise the lion's share of the articles in this category, but there may be exceptions. Are you thinking of using Greeks/Romans in the name instead? I haven't yet encountered an article that belonged here and wasn't a person, but maybe we shouldn't needlessly narrow the scope of the category? --Azertus (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, I was thinking that perhaps the category should be narrower, but I don't have a strong opinion. However, I see that "Greek mythology" already exists as a possibility, adding to Category:Set indices on Greek mythology. So I'd like to be clear how the "ancient Greece" category would be distinguished. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- I imagine people would comprise the lion's share of the articles in this category, but there may be exceptions. Are you thinking of using Greeks/Romans in the name instead? I haven't yet encountered an article that belonged here and wasn't a person, but maybe we shouldn't needlessly narrow the scope of the category? --Azertus (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{edit template-protected}}
template. It seems like there's some dispute about the category tree created by this move. Feel free to discuss further, but I'm going to close this until a consensus about exactly which categories are going to be added/removed/etc. Primefac (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
@Peter coxhead The difference should be that ancient Greeks/Greece are historical figures, while the other are mythological subjects. In the articles I moved from Category:Articles about multiple people the difference has always been clear, with the exception of two where the article covered multiple mythological figures and at least one historical person. In those cases the article can manually be added to a second set index category (if at all), in addition to the one provided by the template. Those two are currently in Category:Set indices on ancient Greece. As an aside, I already created that category because I mistakenly assumed this edit request had gone through (and I forgot that I manually added the category to those articles).
To verify the need for these keys, refer to the difference between Category:Articles about multiple people in ancient Rome and Category:Articles about multiple people in ancient Greece. I've cleaned out all set indices from the latter category, leaving only "articles about multiple people", while the former is still full of articles that are really set indices. --Azertus (talk) 11:13, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Azertus: I haven't disputed the value of these keys, just what the categories created by them should be called. If a category is called "Set indices on ancient Greece", it would reasonably be expected to include Greek mythology as well. Surely the category should be "Set indices on historical figures in ancient Greece" or something like that? Peter coxhead (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, that makes sense! I think your suggestion is spot-on. Do we wait for further input? --Azertus (talk) 12:10, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Peter coxhead: Do I reopen the edit-request for the switches "ancient Greece" and "ancient Rome" with the respective categories "Set indices on historical figures in ancient Greece" and "Set indices on historical figures in ancient Rome"? --Azertus (talk) 22:48, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Primefac: Discussion has gone stale; would you agree to create the switches as detailed above? --Azertus (talk) 17:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
- @Azertus: I haven't disputed the value of these keys, just what the categories created by them should be called. If a category is called "Set indices on ancient Greece", it would reasonably be expected to include Greek mythology as well. Surely the category should be "Set indices on historical figures in ancient Greece" or something like that? Peter coxhead (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- Done Primefac (talk) 18:58, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like you forgot to include {{{1}}}s, which caused these categories to show up on unrelated pages. Hopefully fixed now. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 5, 2016; 19:44 (UTC)
Saints switch
I've requested some input from the folks over at WP:SNT about possibly adding a Saints switch to the template. --Azertus (talk) 13:07, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- I've got the impression Talk pages for WikiProjects aren't that well-monitored. Are there any objections/thoughts on here about adding a switch
saints
(or Saints?) to place articles in the category Set indices on Saints? There's a bunch of articles (about 10) that could use the switch currently in Wikipedia disambig or set index box parameter needs fixing. --Azertus (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Switch aliases
Could we add some aliases for the switch "animalia"? The following ones I've found in the wild: insects, fish, birds. We can fix those when we encounter them, but due to similar switches on related templates (e.g. "fish" for {{Disambiguation}}) editors will keep confusing those. Seems like a simple, non-controversial fix? Thanks. --Azertus (talk) 14:19, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- Not a bad idea, but I think most of the cases where the animalia switch is being used with this template should be changed to use the {{Animal common name}} template instead. And that template could perhaps take switches for different kinds of animals. Plantdrew (talk) 16:57, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- Concur. It's better to be more precise than to make imprecision easier. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 09:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree that's a better solution! --Azertus (talk) 18:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 25 April 2017
Change [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Set index articles|article]]
to [[Wikipedia:Set index article|article]]
Reason: "Set index article" provides more depth, and the initial "Disambiguation" of the link part can be misleading to someone who just hovers over it with their mouse. It also would not be left at the mercy of the section title, because if the section is renamed the link won't take people to the section but the top of the page. This would be bad and misleading since the page is named "Disambiguation", defeating the whole point of the section, which is to say that set indices ≠ disambiguations! Sending readers to the page averts this risk. Thus, my suggestion would be better. Mr. Guye (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- Done They're both guidelines, so I don't see a problem; the rationale is also reasonable. Izno (talk) 20:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 11 April 2018
I would like to add military vehicles
to the #switch, which would link Category:Set indices on military vehicles. wumbolo ^^^ 12:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
- Done Peter coxhead (talk) 14:20, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Set indices on newspapers
I tried and apparently failed to create Category:Set indices on newspapers. There are several 'disambiguation' pages that are more appropriately SIAs: for instance Star (newspaper), Evening Star (newspaper), List of newspapers named Bee, and some others at Category:Lists of newspapers. Ideally, the template {{SIA|newspaper}}
would categorize correctly. How do I avoid articles going into Category:Wikipedia disambig or set index box parameter needs fixing (e.g. Evening Star (newspaper), currently)? Thanks, --Animalparty! (talk) 22:15, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
- Fixed Added "newspapers" to the list of acceptable SIAs in the template. —hike395 (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 12 June 2018
Please add "Ukraine" and "populated places in Ukraine" into allowed parameter list; see Category:Set indices on Ukraine, populated manually. Please ping me when done, I will edit the articles accordingly. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 4 October 2019
Add chemistry category. I made the necessary code change in the sandbox just now (diff). Tested and it seemed to work. Colin M (talk) 17:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Short description
I suggest adding an automatic short description to this template as was done with {{Disambiguation}}. My proposed description is "Index of articles associated with the same name" or "Index of articles associated with the name {{PAGENAME}}" similar to "index of enzymes associated with the same name" used by {{Enzyme index}}. Like when a short description was added to disambiguation pages following this discussion all templates in Category:Set index article templates should get an automatic short description. This description can of course be overridden by adding another instance of {{Short description}} if a human have a better description.
I have notified WT:WPLIST, WT:SIA, Template talk:Disambiguation and WT:WPSHORTDESC of this proposal. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 19:32, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- So to take the usual example, the set index article List of peaks named Signal is proposed to have one of the two following short descriptions:
- "Index of articles associated with the same name"; or
- "Index of articles associated with the name List of peaks named Signal"
- I'm in favour of the first suggestion, but wouldn't entertain the second one. --RexxS (talk) 23:13, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- We could do some processing on the pagename to make sure it make sense grammatically, but yeah I doubt it will be worth it. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- I've added the short description "Index of articles associated with the same name". ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 10:23, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- We could do some processing on the pagename to make sure it make sense grammatically, but yeah I doubt it will be worth it. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- "Where there is no useful short description possible, leave it out." WP:SHORTDESC. Defining "set index article" isn't a description of any given set index article. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)