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Faster than the speed limit
Wikipedia:Page_mover#Increased_page_move_throttle has a speed limit. But the tool seems to hit the limit quite frequently, leading to dropped entries, that need to be collected and the tool need to be rerun. @Ahecht: Can this tool be made a slightly slower to agree with the server imposed limit, so that all the entries are handled. --Venkat TL (talk) 15:50, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL I could've sworn that that script retrieved the rate limit and throttled itself, but I must've been thinking of one of my other scripts. I'll take a look. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)- @Ahecht Thanks for the reply. With a batch of 66 entries 3 dropped. 7 dropped in a batch of 160. Hope this helps you. Other than this, the tool works like a charm. Thanks for your efforts in sharing this. Venkat TL (talk) 21:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL 7 out of 160 sounds a bit low. How long did that batch of 160 take to run? When I've tested it each move takes about 1/4 second, so I would use up my 16 moves in about 4 seconds and the next 224 would fail until the 60 seconds were up. Maybe if your computer or internet connection is slower you'd get more. In any case, I pushed a new version of the script that will retrieve your rate limit and throttle accordingly (so with the enwiki defaults, if you're moving more than 16 pages, it will move one every 4 seconds). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)- If not 7 it may be 10 or 12, I dont exactly remember, But certainly not more than 15 drops happened in that batch of 160. How long did it take to run, It is tough, as I was not keeping track of time. If it helps you, I would note the time and exact number of dropped entries next time I run the tool. Venkat TL (talk) 18:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL: Next time you run the tool, if you open up your browser's console (usually ⇧ Shift+F12 to open developer tools, and then esc to open the console if it's not already open), it will display a time-stamped log of all its actions that you can copy and paste. I put in an option to bypass the rate limit if you want to do more testing. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL: Next time you run the tool, if you open up your browser's console (usually ⇧ Shift+F12 to open developer tools, and then esc to open the console if it's not already open), it will display a time-stamped log of all its actions that you can copy and paste. I put in an option to bypass the rate limit if you want to do more testing. --Ahecht (TALK
- If not 7 it may be 10 or 12, I dont exactly remember, But certainly not more than 15 drops happened in that batch of 160. How long did it take to run, It is tough, as I was not keeping track of time. If it helps you, I would note the time and exact number of dropped entries next time I run the tool. Venkat TL (talk) 18:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL 7 out of 160 sounds a bit low. How long did that batch of 160 take to run? When I've tested it each move takes about 1/4 second, so I would use up my 16 moves in about 4 seconds and the next 224 would fail until the 60 seconds were up. Maybe if your computer or internet connection is slower you'd get more. In any case, I pushed a new version of the script that will retrieve your rate limit and throttle accordingly (so with the enwiki defaults, if you're moving more than 16 pages, it will move one every 4 seconds). --Ahecht (TALK
- @Ahecht Thanks for the reply. With a batch of 66 entries 3 dropped. 7 dropped in a batch of 160. Hope this helps you. Other than this, the tool works like a charm. Thanks for your efforts in sharing this. Venkat TL (talk) 21:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
the tool is broken, now it halts after successfully moving one page. The batch, apart from the first entry, remains unprocessed. Please revert back to previous version that worked. I was attempting the Category:Assembly constituencies of Gujarat as a batch. Venkat TL (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL I fixed a potential bug. Try it again now, and if it still doesn't work send me the console logs. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello Ahecht,
At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.
Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.
In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 732 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 1034 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.
This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.
If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}}
on their talk page.
If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.
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POTD
You've been doing a lot of the new POTDs. Thanks for that! Might be able to get quite a ways ahead at this rate. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 08:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Special:WantedTemplates
Hi! Would it be possible for you to add
/* <nowiki> */
to the top and
/* </nowiki> */
to the bottom of User:Ahecht/Scripts/potd-helper.js and User:Ahecht/sandbox/Scripts/potd-helper.js? By putting these tags inside of javascript comments, it won't impact the functionality of your script, but it will keep the backend software from transcluding Template:", "\\. You will know if the tags worked if no longer shows your javascript pages. By fixing these, we can keep the number of entries in Special:WantedTemplates to a minimum. Thank you in advance for your help! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
May 2022
Constructive contributions are appreciated and strongly encouraged, but your recent edit to the userpage of another user may be considered vandalism. Specifically, your edit to user:q28 may be offensive or unwelcome. In general, it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing others' user pages without their permission. Instead, please bring the matter to their talk page and let them edit their user page themselves if they agree on a need to do so. Please refer to Wikipedia:User page for more information on user page etiquette. -- Q28 (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Q28: You clearly saw that I accidentally posted to your user page instead of your user talk, you saw that I immediately reverted, and you could tell that the content wasn't vandalism. WP:Don't template the regulars. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 12:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Featured picture scheduled for POTD
Hi Ahecht,
This is to let you know that File:Male wild turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) strutting.jpg, a featured picture you uploaded or nominated, has been selected as the English Wikipedia's picture of the day (POTD) for November 24, 2022. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2022-11-24. If you have any concerns, please place a message at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 21:58, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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The turkey is a large bird in the genus Meleagris, native to North America. There are two extant turkey species: the wild turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) of eastern and central North America and the ocellated turkey (Meleagris ocellata) of the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico. Males of both turkey species have a distinctive fleshy wattle, called a snood, that hangs from the top of the beak. They are among the largest birds in their ranges. As with many large ground-feeding birds (order Galliformes), the male is bigger and much more colorful than the female. Photograph credit: Frank Schulenburg
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I figure I have plenty of time to fix this if it somehow doesn't pass.... Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 21:58, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
About the recent reversion of a couple of template edits
Your revisions on Template:Featured picture and Template:If in category have been (at least partially) reverted. Don't worry - The core issue is more due to a weird implementation design in If in category and some template recursion, so theres not much you can do to fix this, so don't worry about it. A new version will hopefully be sorted soon which will be more efficient and avoid weird designs, at which point it'll probably be fine to re-implement the edits to Featured picture. Hope that explains the situation. Aidan9382 (talk) 07:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
POTD unused
- Been thinking about POTD/Unused. There's another dozen images that probably should be on there (basically everything on [1] between File:2017.08.06.-04-Kirschgartshaeuser Schlaege Mannheim--Weidenjungfer-Maennchen.jpg and File:Blue tiger (Tirumala limniace exoticus) male underside.jpg have article issues.) Unlike other Unused files, this is something that can readily be fixed.
- D'ye think asking the Signpost if we could make a section for images that have issues related to articles, so interested people can have a go at fixing them is a good idea? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: shouldn't this probably go under a seperate section and not as a reply here? Aidan9382 (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Point, though it's related to the template edits.Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden Some of those (e.g. Shanghai, Old Royal Naval College) could be listed pretty much as-is. As for the others, posts on WT:WikiProject Birds and WT:WikiProject Insects might be a good first step. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)- Old Royal Naval College has some big gaps in citing, so we'd need to be a little careful, though. Only cited facts are allowed on the main page. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Did a post on the bird project to start. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 13:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Old Royal Naval College has some big gaps in citing, so we'd need to be a little careful, though. Only cited facts are allowed on the main page. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: shouldn't this probably go under a seperate section and not as a reply here? Aidan9382 (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:POTD/2022-06-17
Did I miss this somehow? Just surprised there was a gap for the image to fit into; did one get deleted? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden I was surprised by that gap too, but there was nothing indicating a previous page had been deleted before I did the move (and nothing in the logs). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)- Ah, well. I do tend to jump around the month when setting them up - easier to keep all the bird pics, say, from forming a run of images if I look ahead and space things out first, then filling in the remaining gaps. And it's arguably a good thing, given it gave a space for when that image's article was fixed. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden To clarify, the gap I was trying to fill was at Template:POTD/2022-08-25. Looking at anniversaries and birthdays on that date led me to Hans Adolf Krebs, so I moved the Krebs Cycle image from 6-17 to 8-25 and put the Iceland picture in its place on Icelandic National Day. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:01, 8 June 2022 (UTC)- Ah! That makes sense. Still surprised I missed the August one, but... Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 20:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden To clarify, the gap I was trying to fill was at Template:POTD/2022-08-25. Looking at anniversaries and birthdays on that date led me to Hans Adolf Krebs, so I moved the Krebs Cycle image from 6-17 to 8-25 and put the Iceland picture in its place on Icelandic National Day. --Ahecht (TALK
- Ah, well. I do tend to jump around the month when setting them up - easier to keep all the bird pics, say, from forming a run of images if I look ahead and space things out first, then filling in the remaining gaps. And it's arguably a good thing, given it gave a space for when that image's article was fixed. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Merkin
Shoved her to December. I don't think anything productive is going to come out of the current discussion in the time left, so giving it time for talk. Still say that the proper response to "shouldn't be an FP" is a delist nom at WP:FPC, but... at least there's time for a timely discussion now, and the people who want to complain can have six months to do so. Filled in the gap since it's so close. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 13:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
--Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)- Should clarify I mean "People who want to complain without wanting any sort of discussion, actionable suggestions, or ways forwards..." I honestly don't care if she doesn't run in the end, I just want a reasoning that makes sense and gives guidance going forwards, especially as we have put actual breasts on the main page. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 15:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Do you think it's worth just, y'know, nominating it for delisting and seeing what happens? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 17:43, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Thing is, I don't really want to be controversial. I figured that there was little chance anyone would even care, because... well, I've seen what we have put on the main page without controversy. I think what I might do is wait for the current discussion to die off, and start a properly framed non-voting discussion, leading, if needed, to an agreed upon wording for an RfC. Because I've never seen any discussion that turns into spontaneous voting go very well. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 11:58, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Male wild turkey strutting
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Male wild turkey (Meleagris gallopavo) strutting.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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- As I think I mentioned, I scheduled this for American Thanksgiving. Figured it'd suit Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 10:59, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/All Saints Day, Holy Cross Cemetery in Gniezno, Poland
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Celebración de Todos los Santos, cementerio de la Santa Cruz, Gniezno, Polonia, 2017-11-01, DD 07-09 HDR.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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- What d'ye think? Rearrange and put this for this year, or place it next year? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 11:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden I was thinking of putting it up for 2023. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 02:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden I was thinking of putting it up for 2023. --Ahecht (TALK
Talk:Main Page
@Cwmhiraeth and Coffeeandcrumbs: Any of you up for dealing with that? Because I'm just fucking sick of all of it. Levivich seems to just want to complain about literally everything, while ignoring any olive branches, Rhododendrites seems to want to feed the trolls, and, frankly, I would fucking vote delist on that stupid fucking image myself, because it's the most boring type of 2000s cheesecake, but I'm trying to be a fair, unbiased co-ordinator that doesn't hold back images for arbitrary reasons. I set up six months of POTD in a couple weeks, and all they're interested in is complaining. I literally pulled the fucking image, and they're still little balls of angry rage because I dared suggest that they maybe act on their stated objection that it wasn't good enough to be an FP by suggesting it be delisted. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 20:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden The discussion is about your choice of images for POTD, not about whether one of those images should be delisted as a featured image. You didn't "pull" the image, you just moved it to a later date. I don't want to argue with you, but if you're asking for other people to get involved, you should give them an accurate summary. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- AS I SAID REPEATEDLY, I moved it to December, so that IF it runs, we won't have to remake the POTD page. If you want to argue about this for 6 months and not move forwards in that entire time, that's entirely up to you, but I won't be joining you. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 21:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)