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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.
How to use this page
What not to propose for discussion here
The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:
- Stub templates
- Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
- Userboxes
- Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
- Speedy deletion candidates
- If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
- Policy or guideline templates
- Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
- Template redirects
- List at Redirects for discussion.
Reasons to delete a template
- The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
- The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
- The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
- The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.
Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.
Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.
Listing a template
To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).
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I: Tag the template. | Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:
Note:
Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:
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II: List the template at TfD. | Follow to edit today's TfD log.
Add this text to the top of the list:
If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add Use an edit summary such as Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following: {{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}} You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code after the {{subst:Catfd2|category name}} |
III: Notify users. | Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:
to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases. |
Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.
After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors
While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.
To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.
WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}}
for this.
Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
Notifying substantial contributors to the template
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.
At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)
Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.
Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.
Twinkle
Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.
Discussion
Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.
People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.
Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.
Closing discussion
Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDCloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.
Current discussions
June 20
Template:PLoSlink
- Template:PLoSlink (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and useless template Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:58, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox FIBA tourney
- Template:Infobox FIBA tourney (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox basketball tournament season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox FIBA tourney with Template:Infobox basketball tournament season.
Same article scope, {{Infobox FIBA tourney}} does not really add anything unique to FIBA/national teams. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox all-star basketball game
- Template:Infobox all-star basketball game (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox basketball game (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox all-star basketball game with Template:Infobox basketball game.
Redundant template. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox BBL team season
- Template:Infobox BBL team season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Replaced with {{Infobox basketball club season}}. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I made this Template for the British Basketball League teams. It has more labels covering just the BBL for example team colours, coaches, captains, BBL Cup and BBL Trophy results. Otherwise is there a way we could add their team colours onto {{Infobox basketball club season}}. Alextigers (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2022 (ADET)
Template:Infobox ANZ Premiership team
- Template:Infobox ANZ Premiership team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox ANZC team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Replaced with {{Infobox sports team}}. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Marmaray style
- Template:Marmaray style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/TCDD Taşımacılık. Gonnym (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:OTE color
- Template:OTE color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OTE lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:OTE stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OTE left/Optima Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/OTE right/Optima Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Optima Tours. Gonnym (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:ADA color
- Template:ADA color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:ADA lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:ADA stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/ADA left/Adaray (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/ADA right/Adaray (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Adaray. Gonnym (talk) 20:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WEmoji
- Template:WEmoji (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Module:WEmoji (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete) (added 15:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC))
There is already a template to show emojis - Template:Emoji. Additionally, there is no need to create a template for each single emoji as was done with this template's subpages. Any usages should be replaced with {{Emoji}}. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I agree with deleting the subpages as seen at the nominations above. However, upon looking closer at Template:Emoji, you will find it has more emojis but is not very user friendly -- For instance, to display a basic smile () you must use the following: {{emoji|263A}}
- The goal of WEmoji is to provide Wikipedians with an easy-to-use, user-friendly system which has codes that are easy to memorize. If you use the other system, you'd need to constantly check the codes depending on the emoji. The code for a sunglasses emoji looks like this on Emoji: {{emoji|1F60E}}. The code for sunglasses on WEmoji looks like this: {{WEmoji|cool}}. In summary, the two templates are different -- Emoji is better supported, but not as refined. WEmoji is not as well supported, but easier to use. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk | contribs) 23:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
vs ). Gonnym (talk) 09:51, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as a template that duplicates the functionality of another template. You can already use {{emoji}} with any of the names listed in Module:Emoji/data. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Tram İzmir color
- Template:Tram İzmir color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Tram İzmir lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Tram İzmir stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/Tram İzmir left/Karşıyaka (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/Tram İzmir left/Konak (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/Tram İzmir right/Karşıyaka (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/Tram İzmir right/Konak (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Tram İzmir. Gonnym (talk) 09:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:İzmir Metro color
- Template:İzmir Metro color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:İzmir Metro lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:İzmir Metro stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:İBB style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro left/2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro left/3 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro left/M1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro right/2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro right/3 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/İzmir Metro right/M1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/İzmir Metro. Gonnym (talk) 09:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NRLW2019Ladder
- Template:NRLW2019Ladder (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused. Table was merged into article. Gonnym (talk) 08:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:IZBAN color
- Template:IZBAN color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:IZBAN lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:IZBAN stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:IZBAN style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN left/Northern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN left/Southern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN left/Southern Selçuk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN right/Northern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN right/Southern (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/IZBAN right/Southern Selçuk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/İZBAN. Gonnym (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox hiking trail
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Propose renaming Template:Infobox hiking trail to Template:Infobox trail.
This template covers hiking trails, cycling trails, greenways, and more; so, it makes sense to broaden the name. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:00, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Suport move Makes sense. PamD 06:01, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Aidan721, at the top of WP:TFD it says
"To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves."
Frietjes (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC) - Support - The term "trail" in Wikipedia referred to your classic hiking trail a long time ago, but has since been expanded to include all the other types of paths mentioned by the nominator here. Therefore I think renaming the infobox as suggested here makes sense and should be harmless. This is my official vote for accounting purposes; see more in my rather lengthy comment below. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:05, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Tangential Comment - I have done a lot of work recently on "trail" articles for Pennsylvania (a topic for which I am knowledgeable), which informs my vote above. However I would like to point out that navigation boxes and categories for "trails" are in really bad shape throughout Wikipedia, due to the definitional issues merely introduced in this discussion about the infobox name. Navboxes for "hiking" trails are polluted with things that do not fall under the definition of hiking (see Template:Maryland hiking trails as just one example among hundreds), pure "hiking" trails appear in navboxes and categories for old railroad tracks that are now bike trails, sidewalks alongside freeways (e.g. US 202 Parkway Trail) have been categorized as hiking, and lots of other confusion in every conceivable direction. I have fixed this problem for Pennsylvania, but for anyone interested in this general topic area, cleaning this up for the rest of the world will give you Wikipedia work for months to come. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support move - no prejudice on the rename as we have infoboxes that are listed as
Template:Infobox item
to keep it simple. – The Grid (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
June 19
Template:Transclusion orphans
cc: RandomCanadian, Izno, Pppery, ais523, Explicit
— Guarapiranga ☎ 22:06, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'm uncomfortable with putting this entire list up for TfD at once. I believe that, for many or most of them, the correct action is to subst to the parent article and delete, but think that some of them will need more care. In particular, {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}} is in urgent need of code improvement – it's currently over 100 KiB long and (unlike most of these templates) would make the article very difficult to edit if subst'ed in that form. (I still remember when there was a 32 KB "soft limit" which editors were recommended not to exceed on any given page.) I think the correct action will be to subst-and-delete that template eventually, but it would first need to be rewritten (perhaps in terms of a Lua module to format the rows – the template is very repetitive) so that it doesn't completely dominate the rest of the article. There might well be other special cases like that, and so I'm uncomfortable making a blanket "subst and delete" recommendation in case we end up missing a special case where some other sort of cleanup is desired; in particular, although these need fixing, a single mass TfD is probably the wrong way to fix them. --ais523 23:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why do you say {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}}
would make the article very difficult to edit if subst'ed in that form
, ais523? I just had a look at it, and didn't see anything so ominous or complex; it's just a long table. It's actually pretty well formatted (in comparison to other data tables here). I don't see whatfirst needs to be rewritten
, and if it's the case that it'svery repetitive
—well, it's a data table, after all—then it's the prototypical use of templates, not ofa Lua module
(which is genrally required for subroutines, not toformat rows
). I don't see how this table would completely dominate the rest of the article, given that the article already is a collection tables and maps, with very little prose, already. In any case, if it's indeed the case of splitting the table into a separate page, then it's the case of putting it into another article, not another template, and transcluding it back to Results breakdown of the 2021 Canadian federal election, as are Results of the 2022 Australian federal election (House_of_Representatives) and Results of the 2022 Australian federal election (Senate) transcluded into 2022 Brazilian general election (this, btw, sort of solves the concern some here have expressed of tables overwhelming article prose). — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)- The basic issue is that much of the code behind the template is repeated on every row. Excessively repetitive wikimarkup is hard to edit because a) it obscures the actual information – most of the information onscreen is irrelevant, and b) you have to repeat the repetitive information when adding new information, and the exact way in which to do that isn't always clear (e.g. it's easy to confuse parts of the table which repeat for all rows with parts of the table which repeat for most rows but not all of them). The table would be much easier to use if written in terms of a template like {{aligned table}} (but probably not that one exactly – it can't handle the full range of formatting required), rather than having all the markup written out manually. (Note that such a table-formatting template would probably be useful on more than one article, rather than being single-purpose like the templates nominated here.) --ais523 23:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- {{English Heritage listed building row}} seems more the case of what you're talking about than {{aligned table}}, ais523, but sure, that can always be improved upon, even after subst and delete. — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The basic issue is that much of the code behind the template is repeated on every row. Excessively repetitive wikimarkup is hard to edit because a) it obscures the actual information – most of the information onscreen is irrelevant, and b) you have to repeat the repetitive information when adding new information, and the exact way in which to do that isn't always clear (e.g. it's easy to confuse parts of the table which repeat for all rows with parts of the table which repeat for most rows but not all of them). The table would be much easier to use if written in terms of a template like {{aligned table}} (but probably not that one exactly – it can't handle the full range of formatting required), rather than having all the markup written out manually. (Note that such a table-formatting template would probably be useful on more than one article, rather than being single-purpose like the templates nominated here.) --ais523 23:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why do you say {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}}
- Oppose Break it down into reasonable chunks that relate to each other naturally. This is mind-numbing. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 02:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The way these are related, as you can see in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 June 13#Template:Transclusion (and indicated in this TfD's title), Tim, is that these are all (soon to be) orphans of template:transclusion. — Guarapiranga ☎ 03:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose An overly large list that combines templates related to different topics that cannot be discussed together coherently. It is necessary to break the list down into chunks that relate to each other. Nimrodbr (talk) 04:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Absolutely ridiculous to nominate this much in one discussion. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Import-blanktable
- Template:Import-blanktable (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Row hover highlight (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Import-blanktable with Template:Row hover highlight.
Both templates serve the same purpose. — Guarapiranga ☎ 21:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merge into MediaWiki:Common.css and delete both This is a much more complex situation than it looks – the developers are involved, see T287997. What seems to have happened is that there was useful functionality (with respect to table backgrounds and mouse hover) which was included into the site functionality by mistake, but because it was useful, started being used. The functionality was widely used, and then (because it was an accident rather than intentionally included in the software) ended up breaking at some point, and some people made templates to try to recreate it.
It seems uncontroversial that having highlight-on-hover behaviour is useful for at least some tables – generally speaking, tables that are being used to hold tabular data (as opposed to being used for some other purpose) benefit from it. As such, we either need to merge it into the main "wikitable" CSS class, or else split "wikitable" into two (together with WP:MOS guidelines as to when to use each version). Creating a template to do the same work via TemplateStyles and editing it onto every page indiviually is a clever short-term workaround, but a bad long-term solution to the problem – we'll end up with a range of different methods of row-highlighting tables and it'll be harder to move over to a coherent system once the software starts working again.
It's quite plausible that the situation will be fixed by changes to MediaWiki itself; however, if a short-term solution is desirable before then, it should surely be done via site CSS rather than via editing a template onto every page individually, and thus neither of the templates under discussion should really exist. (It is possible that we'll want "Wikipedia's own" data table CSS class with row highlighting, rather than using one which was incidentally part of MediaWiki, in order to be able to optimise it for usage on an encyclopedia; but in that case, we can do a one-time replacement of the CSS class name on articles using a bot, which has to be better than adding a template to every page and then removing the template again once the CSS is fixed properly.) --ais523 22:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not
Merge into MediaWiki:Common.css and delete both
. WP:TemplateStyles are sufficient to support whatever is going on with the relevant templates and should always be preferred to Common.css for the general rationale behind TemplateStyles (see prior link) as well as my project to remove Common.css styles. Common.css should be reserved exclusively for modifications to site chrome. The functionality was widely used
is an incorrect assessment. It was used by some 300 pages or so. Widely used would be much more than that. --Izno (talk) 23:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)- The functionality was used on many more than 300 pages (with many uses being indirect via templates); see Timeshifter's comment at the end of this archived VPT discussion. (There are at least 1000 uses: over 300 direct, over 100 via {{Static row numbers table}}, and over 600 via {{Kommunestyre table}}.) It probably should be used on almost every table on Wikipedia, including the ones that don't currently use it, which is a reason to add it to the global CSS rather than placing it on every page individually. --ais523 23:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
It probably should be used on almost every table on Wikipedia
I don't think this is supported solely by the fact that essentially one user has added this class/styles to these 300 some odd pages +- template links. There remains no reason to add this to all tables (allwikitable
tables I presume, for obvious reasons like {{infobox}} opposing its general use), and if you think there is, you may submit the patch to the developers that does so. There remain sufficiently many cases where it should not be employed, so I anticipate it being shot down for that reason alone (because Wikimedians are bad at using tables as tables). This is an excellent use case for TemplateStyles. --Izno (talk) 00:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The functionality was used on many more than 300 pages (with many uses being indirect via templates); see Timeshifter's comment at the end of this archived VPT discussion. (There are at least 1000 uses: over 300 direct, over 100 via {{Static row numbers table}}, and over 600 via {{Kommunestyre table}}.) It probably should be used on almost every table on Wikipedia, including the ones that don't currently use it, which is a reason to add it to the global CSS rather than placing it on every page individually. --ais523 23:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- To clarify: my second choice would be to merge the templates with each other, rather than to keep both as separate templates. --ais523 00:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not
- Merge, but with full functionality of {{import-blanktable}} per User:ais523. (old:
Do not merge templates.). Currently, the older template (Import-blanktable) written by Krinkle on August 4, 2021 does more. See discussions: Template talk:Row hover highlight/styles.css and Template talk:Import-blanktable. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)- Normally, merging templates implies that we create one template which has the functionality of both of the original templates; the basic question about the merge, therefore, is "are there cases where we'd also want a template that does less, or could all situations where we'd want to use either be able to use an improved template that has the functionality of both?". You might want to recommend a particular functionality for the merged template (e.g. that it's based primarily on {{import-blanktable}}'s code), but as it is, your bolded recommendation and your comment with your reasoning don't match each other. --ais523 23:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- OK. The most advanced tables, in my opinion, are the automatically updated scrolling tables discussed at Help:Table#Scrolling. They have a white background due to {{import-blanktable}}. They are listed at Category:Automatically updated COVID-19 pandemic table templates. They are used, for example, in COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory. Nearly all the other data tables in that article also use {{import-blanktable}}. I have seen those data tables there with and without the white background. They are more readable with the white background, especially the less bright one's monitor brightness setting is set at. I don't think the functionality should be tied to wikitable. --Timeshifter (talk) 04:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Full functionality also means that the white background works without changing already colored cells or rows. See: User:Timeshifter/Sandbox177. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Normally, merging templates implies that we create one template which has the functionality of both of the original templates; the basic question about the merge, therefore, is "are there cases where we'd also want a template that does less, or could all situations where we'd want to use either be able to use an improved template that has the functionality of both?". You might want to recommend a particular functionality for the merged template (e.g. that it's based primarily on {{import-blanktable}}'s code), but as it is, your bolded recommendation and your comment with your reasoning don't match each other. --ais523 23:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Clear merge of the templates. These are doing the same thing. My preference would be to support to end up with the title at Template:Row hover highlight. I would not reference
mw-datatable
as the above task would have been avoided if we were using our own classes. Secondly, I would generally support restricting row hovers towikitable
class tables (perhaps with some namerow-hover
). --Izno (talk) 23:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)I would not reference
mw-datatable
- Yeah, that's meant just as a legacy redirect. — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NK Krka squad
- Template:NK Krka squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Empty since September 2019. No longer needed. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 21:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Sohanur Rahman Sohan
- Template:Sohanur Rahman Sohan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Four links. Fails NENAN. Same massive list already on director's article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose - All films of this director are notable. Some has own wikipedia article. "No need for navbox when navigation is provided on said article" this is a weird logic, there are thousands of film director templates who are similar. Their filmography is already provided in his biography article's filmography segment. But still a navigational box containing all those films exist. You must check
{{Swapan Saha}}
,{{Birsa Dasgupta}}
,{{Srijit Mukherji}}
,{{Aparna Sen}}
etc. for example. Abbasulu (talk) 02:52, 20 June 2022 (UTC)- Abbasulu: Your comment here and the next one were causing Multiline table in list lint errors leading to indent leaks to the end of page. I fixed these lint errors by indirecting the Nav templates with
{{Tlx}}
. If you really want the nav templates to appear, they have to be on a line that doesn't begin with asterisk (*), pound (#) or colon (:). Feel free to re-edit your comments that way and remove this comment if you wish. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Abbasulu: Your comment here and the next one were causing Multiline table in list lint errors leading to indent leaks to the end of page. I fixed these lint errors by indirecting the Nav templates with
- The navboxes you cite actually aid in navigation. This doesn't. All you did was copy the list of the films he directed and made a navbox version with little navigational purpose. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Kamal Ahmed
- Template:Kamal Ahmed (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Four links. Fails NENAN. All the links of articles are already listed on the director's article. No need for navbox when navigation is provided on said article. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose - All films of this director are notable. Some has own wikipedia article. "No need for navbox when navigation is provided on said article" this is a weird logic, there are thousands of film director templates who are similar. Their filmography is already provided in his biography article's filmography segment. But still a navigational box containing all those films exist. You must check
{{Swapan Saha}}
,{{Birsa Dasgupta}}
,{{Srijit Mukherji}}
,{{Aparna Sen}}
etc. for example. Abbasulu (talk) 02:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- The navboxes you cite actually aid in navigation. This doesn't. All you did was copy the list of the films he directed and made a navbox version with little navigational purpose. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Akhtaruzzaman
- Template:Akhtaruzzaman (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Two links. Fails navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Shameem Akhtar
- Template:Shameem Akhtar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
One link. No navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:TMTC bullet
- Template:TMTC bullet (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused other than in sandboxes. Replaced with {{ric|TriMet|color}}
. Gonnym (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NK Krško squad
- Template:NK Krško squad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused squad navbox for a second-level football team. This navbox has been empty since 2019. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:NK Krka squad should also be deleted for the same reason. Snowflake91 (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 21:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox themed area
- Template:Infobox themed area (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox amusement park (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox themed area with Template:Infobox amusement park.
{{Infobox themed area}} is simply a wrapper of {{Infobox amusement park}} that does not add any information. Perhaps a redirect would be a better suit. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: See previous TFD from 2019, closed as "no consensus". – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- It appears that by looking at the edit history {{Infobox themed area}} was a redirect after that TFD until January 18, 2022. Perhaps another discussion arose within Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks? –Aidan721 (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:STL color
- Template:STL color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:STL lines (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:STL stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:STL style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL left/A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL left/B (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL left/Bx (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL left/C (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL left/E (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL left/F (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL left/H (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL right/A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL right/B (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL right/Bx (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL right/C (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL right/E (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL right/F (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/STL right/H (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused (other than 1 old sandbox) and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Copenhagen S-train. Gonnym (talk) 08:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:School
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The result of the discussion was wrong venue. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:School (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusion. Redirect to {{Infobox school}}. Unclear template name so better off deleted. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Aidan721, redirects are discussed at WP:RFD not here per these instructions. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Moon cabinet infobox
- Template:Moon cabinet infobox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Single-use template used on Moon Jae-In's article. But instead of substitution on there, it should be outright deleted as the information on here is presented in list format as part of the article space of Cabinet of Moon Jae-in. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
June 18
Template:Contains Levantine characters
- Template:Contains Levantine characters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Contains special characters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Contains Levantine characters with Template:Contains special characters.
Should be merged with the standard contains template. I don't think it's appropriate to be advocating the use of specific CSS in articles. Izno (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Izno. I understand your reasoning. Unfortunately, I'm afraid Template:Contains special characters wouldn't help at all. There's an issue with Levantine Arabic (and some other varieties of Arabic, but not all...) that is very specific to Levantine and that can only be solved by using specific CSS. Please read the discussion that led to the creation of this template. I ping @Verbarson: who participated in the discussion back then. Until the related CLDR ticket is fixed, I guess we'll have to keep this template. However, if you find a simpler solution, it would be amazing! A455bcd9 (talk) 18:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete template. It is one thing to require readers to have an up-to-date OS or web browser, or enabling fonts, to be able to read specific characters in an article, but it will never be ok to require readers, the vast majority of them, are not registered, to set up a settings page and add CSS code to it. As I wrote above, a different fix that doesn't require anything like that from readers should be done, or the problematic characters removed. In general though, I agree that this template is the type that should be merged into the proposed target. Gonnym (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep both templates. The issue with both of these templates is that they try to solve problems that should not be a problem for websites like Wikipedia. Ideally, any font should provide an acceptable (given the font style) rendering for any Unicode character; alternatively, the browser (or operating system) should select an appropriate font for each language specified by the HTML language tags, or if the current font lacks characters required by the page it should 'fall back' to some more global font that does include them.
- Multilingual support having grown rather haphazardly in browsers, OSs, mark-up and related code standards, this ideal is not always achieved. Much of the advice in Help:Special characters (linked to by {{Contains special characters}}) is outside the scope of Wikipedia configuration, and should not be necessary; at least the advice given by Template:Lang § Applying styles (linked to by {{Contains Levantine characters}}) is within the scope of Wikipedia configuration.
- I would be sympathetic to a solution that combined both issues into one template, provided that it did not result in a bloated and overloaded template doing too much in one package—which I suspect would result. The problem with Levantine Arabic remains after the solution for special characters has been implemented; it is a different problem requiring a different solution in a different place.
- Declaring some language characters to be 'problematic' and therefore unusable is an un-encyclopedic response. Editors should be free to use whatever text best communicates the meaning of an article. If we cannot seamlessly display the text required by an article, we should at least warn the user of possible problems, and direct them to possible solutions; if those solutions turns out to be beyond their capacity today, maybe need, curiosity or enthusiasm will lead them to enlarge their capacity tomorrow.-- Verbarson talkedits 21:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep it provides a useful warning which cannot be seemlessly replicated with the proposed merge target. I think that the template might be a bit verbose, and it might be better to link a help page or similar instead of including the proposed solution in the notice. But the essential information, that apc/ajp require unique CSS solution and may render incorrectly otherwise is useful. The fact that it is burdensome for readers to fix the rendering issue is in fact a good reason to use this notice template, as it's unlikely that many users are going to see these characters rendered correctly. AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 10:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:18, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Hawkeye (2021 TV series)
- Template:Hawkeye (2021 TV series) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Passes WP:NENAN, but all links are in Template:Marvel Cinematic Universe with greater context, so this is redundant Indagate (talk) 09:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm just curious why you think this one specifically is redundant even though all Disney+ MCU series before it have their own Navboxes as well with the same type of info?
- {{WandaVision}}
- {{The Falcon and the Winter Soldier}}
- {{Loki (TV series)}}
- {{What If...? (TV series)}}
- The only difference is the others have all of their episodes included, while the rest of the Hawkeye episodes are still drafts, so if there isn't a minimum number of episodes for the navbox, then I don't know what's wrong with this one compared to the others. -- Zoo (talk) 15:58, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: ZooBlazer (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Those have unique links for episodes whereas all links in Hawkeye are in the main MCU navbox Indagate (talk) 16:15, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- The Hawkeye one links to Never Meet Your Heroes. Like I said if there is a minimum amount of episodes that need to be in the mainspace that's fine, otherwise the info is the exact same type as the other navboxes. -- Zoo (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep – the plan is to eventually move all of the Hawkeye episodes into the mainspace, though I can see the argument that this is too early. Still, this passes the WP:NENAN rule of five, so I see no harm in keeping it. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: just hurry up and get the other episodes moved to mainspace, and this will resolve itself. BD2412 T 17:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- They just need production info specific to each episode, then they're good to go. -- Zoo (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @ZooBlazer: What is the holdup with getting and adding this info? I'd think in the five days since my last post, at least one more of these could be finished. BD2412 T 00:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Feel free to find the info. -- Zoo (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
I'd think in the five days since my last post, at least one more of these could be finished
A TfD discussion isn't grounds to suddenly knock out drafts. You're welcome to help contribute to building out their info to move them if you're so concerned about that in a TfD. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Feel free to find the info. -- Zoo (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @ZooBlazer: What is the holdup with getting and adding this info? I'd think in the five days since my last post, at least one more of these could be finished. BD2412 T 00:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- They just need production info specific to each episode, then they're good to go. -- Zoo (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep as the editor who recreate the navbox, I said then that technically it does satisfy WP:NENAN with that edit, despite having less episode articles in the mainspace as the other MCU Disney+ series. As such, I've said "weak keep" because I understand why Indagate nominated, but I think this is fine to stay per InfiniteNexus. Regardless, should !votes be different, result should just be to redirect as it was here rather than outright delete. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:49, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Ignyte Award Critics Award
- Template:Ignyte Award Critics Award (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ignyte Award for Best in Speculative Poetry (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ignyte Award for Best in Middle Grade (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Ignyte Award for Best Artist (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Navboxes with no main article and either zero links or one link to articles in the body. Only two links are possible in the body, since the award has been given only twice. There is no need for a navbox yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Would make more sense to merge these navboxes into a single navbox for all awards, but nonetheless, these separate awards do not warrant separate navboxes. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- The Awards are being presented again in September, which will add another winner in each category. Is it really so terrible to have a nav box in existence before it has dozens of winners? I don't understand the issue. They will obviously become more robust over time. CorundumCat (talk) 16:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox league season
- Template:Infobox league season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox sports season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox league season with Template:Infobox sports season.
Both infoboxes cover the same scope of articles. {{Infobox sports season}} is used more often. Parameter usage differs slightly on each template but can be easily added if deemed necessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
June 17
Template:Baku Metro type
- Template:Baku Metro type (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
now that the image has been removed, this seems pointless since typing "Baku Metro station" is not harder than typing "{{Baku Metro type}}", should be substituted and deleted. Frietjes (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WPMA Task force assessment
- Template:WPMA Task force assessment (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused project template. Gonnym (talk) 07:25, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WPHong Kong Task force assessment
- Template:WPHong Kong Task force assessment (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused project template. Probably was never used seeing as how the link leads to the film WP. Gonnym (talk) 07:25, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WPCOMPBIO Task force assessment
- Template:WPCOMPBIO Task force assessment (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused project template. Gonnym (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Agree, I created this but was unused in the end, fine to remove. Amkilpatrick (talk) 07:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:WPBreakfast importance level category-main
- Template:WPBreakfast importance level category-main (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused project template for an inactive project that does not use article assessment categories. Gonnym (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Related portal item
- Template:Related portal item (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused portal template. Gonnym (talk) 07:10, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Glossary term
- Template:Glossary term (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
I don't think it's appropriate to be directing users into wiki-space from article space in the general case, and I don't see sufficient need for this. Outside the mainspace, I think linking to the glossary itself directly suffices in lieu of this template. In general, I would support full deletion. Izno (talk) 17:48, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Agreed; it should not; meant strictly for Talk or other non-mainspace pages. I’ll add a {{main other}} when I’m back in civilized wifi-land. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 16:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)- Okay, this change has been made now, and generates a red error message if used from mainspace. (Or, it could be changed to just generate nothing, if used from mainspace, if that's better?) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:2022 Trinidad and Tobago Winter Olympic team
- Template:2022 Trinidad and Tobago Winter Olympic team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Only one link on the template, which renders it useless. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
June 16
Template:KLRT line symbol
- Template:KLRT line symbol (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
I merged the code for generating these icons with Module:Adjacent stations/KLRT, so they can be accessed through {{ric|KLRT|...}}
and this template is no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Dunkleosteidae
- Template:Dunkleosteidae (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused. Redundant to Template:Arthrodira which features the same list of articles. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:13, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Groupement Sportif des Pétroliers sections
- Template:Groupement Sportif des Pétroliers sections (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused. Same number of links already featured on Template:MC Alger. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Requested move/end
- Template:Requested move/end (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Mostly redundant with {{RM top}}, which this template is supposed to be used in conjunction with anyway. Its only unique function is the move log links, which could instead be implemented by changing up {{Requested move}} instead to add the move log links of nominated titles. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The template creator will not be notified due to him effectively being site banned last year. Other contributors will be notified. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Does not violate any of the WP:TFD#REASONS to delete. I use this template all the time to close move requests. It utilizes {{RM top}}, {{RM bottom}} and more. It's always subst. so its few transclusions won't be seen on its What Links Here page; however, since I placed a self-link in the template, all those closed-request links are shown on that page. I've spent some time improving this template so it can be used, so I would appreciate it if it were not to be deleted. Thank you. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 20:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This template seems to build on / give an alternative to {{RM top}} by providing a visual design similar to {{Requested move/dated}}. I wouldn't consider it redundant, or at least redundant enough to get removed. Aidan9382 (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- When I first found this template over 9 years ago, I was impressed by Rich's clever coding, which I removed as redundant in February 2015. This got me thinking about a possible solution to problems caused by syntax redundancy, when an RM is modified while open, which is the oldest active issue on my bot's talk page (see "relevant January 2013 discussion on my talk"). That's my main reason for keeping the template hanging around; I've never actually used it when closing a requested move. After I realized it needed to be substituted to keep it from breaking after page moves or talk archiving, and not being keen on the amount of code clutter left by substitution, I considered whether it might just be deleted as redundant and unnecessary. Templates like this are designed to be bold and bright, to attract editors' attention to open, active discussions. Perhaps the bold brightness is a bit distracting, making closed discussions compete for attention with open discussions. But, meh, I don't want to upset Paine, who has put a lot of work into tweaking this. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Much appreciated! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 16:06, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NRLW2018Ladder
- Template:NRLW2018Ladder (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Single-use. Substitute on 2018 NRL Women's season. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Substitute and delete. No reason it cant just go on the article page directly. Makes editing harder for new editors in this format. Aidan9382 (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NRLW2020Ladder
- Template:NRLW2020Ladder (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Single-use. Substitute on 2020 NRL Women's season. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Substitute and delete. No reason it cant just go on the article page directly. Makes editing harder for new editors in this format. Aidan9382 (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:DNIPROMETRO-line1
- Template:DNIPROMETRO-line1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused. Replaced with Module:Adjacent stations/Dnipro Metro. Gonnym (talk) 17:14, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NRLW2021Ladder
- Template:NRLW2021Ladder (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Single-use template. Substitute on 2021 NRL Women's season. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:01, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Substitute and delete. No reason it cant just go on the article page directly. Makes editing harder for new editors in this format. Aidan9382 (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:YrMydriay
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G3 by Bbb23 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 15:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:YrMydriay (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
xwiki vanity spam, useless directional nav template PRAXIDICAE🌈 12:45, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
Template:Partisan sources
- Template:Partisan sources (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
There's a contradiction with the RS guideline. Per WP:PARTISAN, "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective" and "sometimes non-neutral sources are the best possible sources for supporting information about the different viewpoints held on a subject". Potential issues may be tagged with Template:Unbalanced, Template:POV statement and the like. Brandmeistertalk 12:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: While I agree with the nomination reason, this may help find articles that rely heavily enough on partisan sources to the point where the content of the article could potentially tread off of NPOV and should be checked by another editor. Leaning between remove and keep here. Aidan9382 (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:KIEVMETRO-line1
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Unused and replaced with Module:Adjacent stations/Kyiv Metro. Gonnym (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:KHARKIVMETRO color
- Template:KHARKIVMETRO color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:KHARKIVMETRO style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:S-line/KHARKIVMETRO left/Kholodnohirsko-Zavodska (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/KHARKIVMETRO left/Oleksiivska (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/KHARKIVMETRO left/Saltivska (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/KHARKIVMETRO right/Kholodnohirsko-Zavodska (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/KHARKIVMETRO right/Oleksiivska (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/KHARKIVMETRO right/Saltivska (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Kharkiv Metro. Gonnym (talk) 07:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Euskotren Trena style
- Template:Euskotren Trena style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Euskotren Trena. Gonnym (talk) 07:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:About-distinguish4
- Template:About-distinguish4 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
The result of the discussion was delete after replacement as discussed. 45.132.253.56 (talk) 13:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- What discussion? Past discussions aside, Delete as single-use and trivially replaceable by {{about-distinguish}} * Pppery * it has begun... 15:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
June 15
Template:MJ the Musical
- Template:MJ the Musical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
I don't see a need for a navigation box to identify the songs used in a musical, especially since nearly all of them are already in {{Michael Jackson songs}}. If there were more articles directly related to the musical, it could be of some use. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:20, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete seems there is not a justifiable reason to this template. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Mitch Hedberg
- Template:Mitch Hedberg (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Four links to articles. Already linked on his mainspace article. Fails NENAN. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:58, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:18, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Padlock list
- Template:Padlock list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Single-WP-space-use template. No objection to subpaging, but pretty sure I favor a subst. Izno (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Subst and delete As a 1.6 KB page containing only a simple table, this is used only on Wikipedia:Protection policy, and is small and syntactically simple enough to be substituted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:45, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Tuvalu A-Division (women)
- Template:Tuvalu A-Division (women) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and all links redirected to the main article, Tuvalu A-Division (women), after a May 31 Afd. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 18:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:TVQ
- Template:TVQ (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
There was a prior consensus to delete this template, but Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 May 24 found that it should be reconsidered. This is a procedural nomination; I am neutral myself on its merits. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Explanation The reason I no longer believe the deletion of TVQ is necessary—as the one who supported it prior to the original TfD last year—has to do with the underlying database. TVQ is the TV Query template linking to a database maintained by the Federal Communications Commission in the US. At the time of TfD a year ago, this database was frozen in amber. The FCC has for years been effectuating a transition of broadcast databases from an older system known as CDBS to a system called LMS. TVQ was only pulling from CDBS, but years of television changes were recorded only in LMS. This meant some stations' records were so out of date as to be completely inaccurate, especially given major changes in TV channel allocations between 2017 and 2020. There is another template, {{FCC-LMS-Facility}}, that links to most of the same databases, but each transclusion of TVQ has to be manually edited with a new parameter to be replaced by FCC-LMS-Facility.
- The underlying issue is no longer the case, and TV Query now uses data from LMS and is up-to-date. There is no need to delete this template when we also have {{AMQ}} and {{FMQ}} (which, in radio, did not have as pressing a data accuracy issue vis-a-vis LMS as TVQ), templates that never needed to be deprecated at any time. This template is fine for use, even if there are fewer uses of it. My !vote is Keep. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie does {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} do the same thing as this template? Do they both link to the same page? If so, then I'd argue that deprecation of this template should still continue as we shouldn't have two templates doing the same exact thing. Seeing as how {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} is more used (4304 vs 598), that one should be the one kept and used. Gonnym (talk) 09:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- They do not, Gonnym. They link to different interfaces that mostly poll the same underlying data.
- FCC-LMS-Facility requires a Facility ID. For instance, let's use KTVH-DT (FID 5290) with
{{TVQ|KTVH-DT}}
and{{FCC-LMS-Facility|5290|KTVH-DT}}
and see what we get (click on both to see the different pages they yield).
- @Sammi Brie does {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} do the same thing as this template? Do they both link to the same page? If so, then I'd argue that deprecation of this template should still continue as we shouldn't have two templates doing the same exact thing. Seeing as how {{FCC-LMS-Facility}} is more used (4304 vs 598), that one should be the one kept and used. Gonnym (talk) 09:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
KTVH-DT in the FCC TV station database
- Facility details for Facility ID 5290 (KTVH-DT) in the FCC Licensing and Management System
- The LMS template has more uses because it works for radio stations (or anything with an FCC Facility ID) and because we proactively removed TVQ from hundreds of pages. Radio stations have their own query templates, {{AMQ}} and {{FMQ}}, which I never intended for total deprecation and are still in place in the vast majority of articles. (At the time, radio was much less intensively using LMS than TV, so it continuing to be primarily a CDBS-based query was not a major problem, and in any event LMS info is now used throughout the Query family.) The radio and TV station infoboxes can call an LMS link automatically for most US stations, but there's a quirk of the way they're coded that means that I can't recommend their use on most low-power (-LD/-LP) radio and TV stations. (They generate links to public inspection files as well, which do not exist for that class of station. I could avoid this if I could detect call signs ending in -D, -LD, and -LP...) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:05, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:SP color
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Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/São Paulo Metro. Gonnym (talk) 08:27, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:SITEUR color
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- Template:S-line/SITEUR left/1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Guadalajara light rail system. Gonnym (talk) 08:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:CPTM color
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- Template:S-line/CPTM left/Express Line 10 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:S-line/CPTM left/Line 13-Airport Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/CPTM left/Service 710 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:S-line/CPTM right/Line 13-Airport Express (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/CPTM right/Service 710 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/São Paulo Metropolitan Trains. Gonnym (talk) 08:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Astram Line style
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Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Hiroshima Rapid Transit. Gonnym (talk) 08:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Amsterdam Tram color
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replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Amsterdam Tram REEDriler (talk) 00:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- The templates are used by a number of articles. Why do you want to delete them? Have you replaced them in the articles where they are used? TheTrolleyPole (talk) 02:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
June 14
WBD templates
- Template:Warner Bros. Discovery Networks (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Warner Bros. Discovery Sports & News (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Warner Bros. Discovery Enterprises (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Warner Bros. Discovery (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Warner Bros. Discovery Networks, Template:Warner Bros. Discovery Sports & News and Template:Warner Bros. Discovery Enterprises with Template:Warner Bros. Discovery.
I think what we've done on the main navbox is being duplicated on these three navboxes, and putting our focus on the main template should make our task easier in terms of modifications in the future. –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 17:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- However, let's wait as Warner Bros. Discovery is only at the beginning of its plans. The Networks, Sports/News, and Enterprises don't necessarily fall into the same subjects.
- A lot could happen. MegaSmike46 (talk) 13:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)- Oppose and I'm also wondering at what point are you going to stop nominating this with your last nomination being 6 months ago. Template:Warner Bros. Discovery (as you wish to see it) will be huge and bloated and will be practically useless for navigation. A navigation template should not replace the category system. See WP:NAVBOX which says
Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles
- using the very top parent company as the bases for the template and trying to add everything is not that. Gonnym (talk) 08:07, 15 June 2022 (UTC)- Also, to any closing admin, as the creator of one the templates and the one Piranha249 knows will oppose, I was not notified of the template being deleted (as is stated in step 3 of WP:TFDHOWTO). Gonnym (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Metrô Rio color
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- Template:S-line/Metrô Rio right/4 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Rio de Janeiro Metro Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:SuperVia color
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- Template:S-line/SuperVia left/Santa Cruz (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:S-line/SuperVia right/Deodoro (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/SuperVia right/Japeri (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/SuperVia right/Santa Cruz (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:S-line/SuperVia right/Saracuruna (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/SuperVia Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Invitation to the WPTO
- Template:Invitation to the WPTO (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Invite template for a page that was deleted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedian Peace Treatment Organization. Following that discussion the template was updated to point at some users sandbox/junk page. We do not need an invite template for either a deleted project space page or some random user's sandbox. Delete, and IMO, it isn't worth substituting the two talk page uses. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:München bahnhof
- Template:München bahnhof (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and replaced with Module:Adjacent stations/Munich S-Bahn. Gonnym (talk) 12:52, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:MVG style
- Template:MVG style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and replaced with Module:Adjacent stations/Munich U-Bahn. Gonnym (talk) 12:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:NOVOSIBIRSKMETRO color
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- Template:S-line/NOVOSIBIRSKMETRO left/Dzerzhinskaya (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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- Template:NOVOSIBIRSKMETRO-line1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
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Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Novosibirsk Metro. Gonnym (talk) 07:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Atlanta broadcasting network
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Ponyo (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 23:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta broadcasting network (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta company (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta executive government (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta government agency (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta law enforcement agency (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta newspaper (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta organization (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta publisher (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta sports company (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta television channel (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox Atlanta public transit (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
There is no need for wrapper templates for Atlanta, or for any other city. The amount of maintenance burden that we would be stuck with if every city had a template is insane. Gonnym (talk) 07:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- delete, not a sustainable solution for the planet. Frietjes (talk) 11:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all. Absolutely unnecessary and redundant to the original templates on which these are based. --Kinu t/c 19:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- All deleted per WP:CSD#G5 as created by a confirmed sock of a globally-locked account.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 20:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
Template:Rhett and Link
- Template:Rhett and Link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Fails WP:NENAN as it links (no pun intended) only four articles. Last TFD closed as "no consensus" Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- keep, passes WP:NENAN. Frietjes (talk) 11:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NENAN is an essay written by the nominator. Links five articles, as I reverted the nominator's redirection of one (after the AfD closed as no consensus). NemesisAT (talk) 11:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
June 13
Template:Lorca FC squad
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"Current squad" template for a team that has been dissolved back in February. BRDude70 (talk) 23:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 13:38, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Oslo Metro Frietjes (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:21, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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replaced by {{adjacent stations}} with Module:Adjacent stations/Oslo Metro Frietjes (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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The template can be deleted because it is unused – per User:Sage (Wiki Ed) – Special:Diff/1092950452. —andrybak (talk) 18:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Llobregat–Anoia Line Frietjes (talk) 15:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Llobregat–Anoia Line and Module:Adjacent stations/Barcelona–Vallès Line Frietjes (talk) 15:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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unused, probably replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Delaware and Hudson Railway Frietjes (talk) 14:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- You mean is replaced by the Adjacent stations. Again, it was made when S-Rail was the big thing. The other one was G7ed, this can too. Mitch32(sail away with me to another world.) 14:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- no, I mean Module:Adjacent stations/Delaware and Hudson Railway, since pointing to template:adjacent stations doesn't really tell you where the data resides. Frietjes (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I know exactly which module you meant. The way you worded it as "probably". It was legit replaced by the module. Mitch32(sail away with me to another world.) 20:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- no, I mean Module:Adjacent stations/Delaware and Hudson Railway, since pointing to template:adjacent stations doesn't really tell you where the data resides. Frietjes (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Nottingham Express Transit Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:Interwiki redirect1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Redundant to {{soft redirect}} * Pppery * it has begun... 14:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've said that the old one is ugly and it's time to switch to the new version.📨Talk•Evesiesta•🖌️Sign 14:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Substitute and Delete as a single use template fork. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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No transclusions. I have adjusted the parent template to take a parameter, which does the same thing that this set of subpages does, so they are no longer needed. Note: I nominated these before I had seen the nomination of the parent template below. If the parent template is kept, these subpages can still be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk | contribs) 23:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all regardless of the result of the main template. No template needs so many subtemplates if a module does the job better. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 June 20. ✗plicit 12:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Transclusion
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The template alleges it is utilized to avoid disruption and unnecessary server load while editing heavy articles. The unnecessary server load claim is unsubstantiated, and what it calls avoiding disruption really is an excuse to store article text in single-use templates to make it more difficult to edit the content, in direct contravention of WP:TG, and in a clear sign of WP:OWNBEHAVIOUR. — Guarapiranga ☎ 04:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- As a sidenote, I'll add that the accusation that this is somehow WP:OWN is not a valid delete rationale and seems off-topic (if you really think this is that, feel free to go make some dramah at the WP:Dramaboard) and a ridiculously obvious failure to AGF. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR/WP:5P5.
avoid disruption and unnecessary server load while editing heavy articles
is a perfectly legitimate reason to use templates, particularly when those do not need to be edited frequently (for example, Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis documents the final results of an election - it is extremely unlikely there is any good-faith reason to go substantially messing with these, and what other minor edits tend to happen are not really hampered by the use of a template) and even more so when they are really large (for example, Template:2012 Summer Olympics calendar comes in at nearly 40 kb (!!) of wikitext; and the 2021 election template comes it at well over 100 kb (!!!)). Also "keep" as the nominator does not present an accurate reading of the guideline (a mere guideline, on top of that) they are citing:Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content.
. So, beyond the fact that there are no firm rules on Wikipedia; the guideline itself makes clear that exceptions are possible. In this case, both on WP:KISS principles (since most editors will not need to edit those, such large templates being put directly in articles probably does more harm than good); and on the grounds that moving such tables out of mainspace is very likely to reduce disruption and vandalism to them (most vandalism is in article space, not in template space; and most vandals are not familiar with Wikipedia namespaces and template transclusion...). A template explaining this seems therefore perfectly appropriate. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It does make an excellent list of low hanging TFD fruit. :) --Izno (talk) 17:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- — Guarapiranga ☎ 02:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Guarapiranga Searching for "lightweight transclusion" in template space turns up a load of other candidates that have copied the wording of this template without actually transcluding it, e.g. Template:Case Closed manga introduction which is just a paragraph of text. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good one, 192.76.8.94! But all I could find, in addition to that one, was Template:Case Closed anime introduction. Let's add'em to the list above. What did I miss? — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Guarapiranga There's something wrong with your "insource" search, but I can't figure out what it is, sorry. Use the "hastemplate" parameter instead and it turns up the full 42 results: [1]. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed! (It's the curly brackets that are useless there, 192.76.8.94).
- @Guarapiranga There's something wrong with your "insource" search, but I can't figure out what it is, sorry. Use the "hastemplate" parameter instead and it turns up the full 42 results: [1]. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good one, 192.76.8.94! But all I could find, in addition to that one, was Template:Case Closed anime introduction. Let's add'em to the list above. What did I miss? — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Guarapiranga Searching for "lightweight transclusion" in template space turns up a load of other candidates that have copied the wording of this template without actually transcluding it, e.g. Template:Case Closed manga introduction which is just a paragraph of text. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, how does one batch list all these templates at once? Can Twinkle do that? I see people have requested this over the years—1, 6, 9, 11 years ago—but couldn't find a resolution to it. — Guarapiranga ☎ 01:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I ended up doing it manually here. — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, how does one batch list all these templates at once? Can Twinkle do that? I see people have requested this over the years—1, 6, 9, 11 years ago—but couldn't find a resolution to it. — Guarapiranga ☎ 01:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- WP:PERNOM is not a good argument, particularly when there is a detailed counter-argument just above. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your "detailed" counter argument doesn't persuade. This template seeks to eke out a broad exception to WP:TG, and that's not good enough. There may be some valid cases to keeping single/low-use templates out of mainspace (perhaps "complex use of other templates" is one), but I'm not willing to support a template that says so. As I said, it just makes a nice list of targets to ship to TFD. Your example Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis in fact is a good one to put back into mainspace, as "documents the final results of an election - it is extremely unlikely there is any good-faith reason to go substantially messing with these" is precisely a reason to put it back, because its presence defeats a central purpose of templates: to be a central place to make updates to many articles. Izno (talk) 21:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- How would sticking a 100+ kb template which doesn't need to be edited in an article be an improvement? It's much easier and in fact a good idea to split out these complex templates which only need infrequent (if any) editing, and this make the rest of the article easier to edit (by removing a massive amount of wikitext which most editors will have no reason to edit). Enforcing the "rules" would make Wikipedia harder to maintain; and this seems like a valid reason to make an exception (one which already has broad application in practice); ergo, a strict desire for enforcement of the "rules" should not be allowed to stand in the way of this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Citing IAR is almost never persuasive and usually and actively damages the argument citing it in a consensus discussion.
How would sticking a 100+ kb template which doesn't need to be edited in an article be an improvement?
1) It's article content. Article content goes in article space. This is almost a QED. 2) Most of these templates are not complicated. Long, but not complicated. 3) It disrupts the ability to find templates that actually are used correctly for their purpose. 4) It disrupts some editing tools.only need infrequent (if any) editing
It's not about whether it's needed, it's about whether someone who is able, can. You don't get to choose who those people are. That's why what you have said is being likened to WP:OWNership. Izno (talk) 23:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)- 1) there are plenty of instances of article content being transcluded from other pages (for consistency, for ease of editing, ...). I don't see how this is any different.
- 2) long and simple = still a lot of wikitext to parse trough to edit it
- 3) doesn't follow, even if you assume that these templates are being used incorrectly (heck, by this line of reasoning, this template should be kept so people know which kind of template they've fallen upon)
- 4) Editing tools being disrupted by transclusions (a frequent feature of Wikipedia) is the editing tool's problems.
"only need infrequent (if any) editing" It's not about whether it's needed, it's about whether someone who is able, can.
so, what? Someone who is able to find the template definitively can edit the template when needed; and all the others don't have a huge amount of wikitext to parse through when they don't need to. This is consistent with the WP:KISS principle, making Wikipedia easier to edit even for those who are not aware of it's technical difficulties. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)- I'll stop at 1:
there are plenty of instances of article content being transcluded from other pages (for consistency, for ease of editing, ...). I don't see how this is any different.
Your're contradicting yourself:
Making the tables themselves harder to edit is a feature, not a bug[1]
Section transclusion does indeed make consistent editing across articles easier--especially of tables!--as the transcluded content can be edited in the source article with Visual Editor (which is not available for templates, as these should not normally be used to store article text (WP:TG), but... templates, i.e. repetitive material that might need to show up on a larger number of articles or pages (H:T)--I'm sorry you understood it differently, RandomCanadian). — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)- You are deliberately misunderstanding despite me having explained this multiple times.
for ease of editing
[of the affected articles, not of the tables themselves, as I have been very consistently saying]. Section transclusion requires more technical know-how (it's not as simple as plopping down a{{template}}
) and is more prone to vandalism and disruption (since disruption to the article it's transcluded from is more likely than for an equivalent template). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- You are deliberately misunderstanding despite me having explained this multiple times.
- I'll stop at 1:
- How would sticking a 100+ kb template which doesn't need to be edited in an article be an improvement? It's much easier and in fact a good idea to split out these complex templates which only need infrequent (if any) editing, and this make the rest of the article easier to edit (by removing a massive amount of wikitext which most editors will have no reason to edit). Enforcing the "rules" would make Wikipedia harder to maintain; and this seems like a valid reason to make an exception (one which already has broad application in practice); ergo, a strict desire for enforcement of the "rules" should not be allowed to stand in the way of this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your "detailed" counter argument doesn't persuade. This template seeks to eke out a broad exception to WP:TG, and that's not good enough. There may be some valid cases to keeping single/low-use templates out of mainspace (perhaps "complex use of other templates" is one), but I'm not willing to support a template that says so. As I said, it just makes a nice list of targets to ship to TFD. Your example Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis in fact is a good one to put back into mainspace, as "documents the final results of an election - it is extremely unlikely there is any good-faith reason to go substantially messing with these" is precisely a reason to put it back, because its presence defeats a central purpose of templates: to be a central place to make updates to many articles. Izno (talk) 21:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- On the merits, all of the templates transcluding this one should be deleted roughly for the reasons explained by the nominator, and the argument for keeping is "let's randomly ignore established consensus" and should be given little weight. But that doesn't constitute a good reason to delete this template now rather than after it becomes unused. However, this template as written consists of two parts: a useless tautology that could be applied to almost every single template in existence, and a request to ignore WP:BOLD, so it should be deleted independently of whether its transcluding templates should be. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and pppery. I'm also not seeing a good reason to invoke IAR here. The template basically consists of two parts - some claims that transcluding a table via template is less server intensive than having it in an article directly, and instructions not to edit it because it might be disruptive. The performance claims are unsubstantiated and don't make any sense - how is it better for the servers to transclude a table in a template in addition to parsing it? The phrase "lightweight transclusion" doesn't appear to be used anywhere outside this template and clones of it. The instructions to avoid editing the template to avoid disruption are, again, unsubstantiated - How can editing a template transcluded onto one page cause so much disruption that you need to discus edits first? I also think the wording of this template is deep into WP:BEANS territory - if you tell people "don't edit this page or you'll break the servers" I think the most likely outcome is that you will scare off good faith editors and increase the incentive for vandals. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Convert to a cleanup template, eventually delete There are basically two issues involved in this TfD: a) is the practice of writing part of an article on a separate page and transcluding it into the original actually helpful? and b) if it is, is the template {{Transclusion}} itself useful? If the answer to a) is "no", then b) is mostly irrelevant – if every page on which the template is used is a candidate for substing and deletion, then the template can't possibly have any useful use and should be deleted. I think the answer to a) is in fact "no", for multiple reasons: contrary to what the template claims, it probably doesn't reduce server load (it reduces load on the client in some cases, but the server will have to read the whole template in able to transclude it, and this is slower than just using the wikitext directly); it makes pages harder for newer users to edit, whilst not doing much to stop experienced vandals, and as a side effect will make vandalism harder to spot (because it won't show up on the same watchlist as changes to the article); and (probably for these reasons) there's a guideline (WP:TG) specifically banning its use for article text (with the consensus for tables being unclear). I don't believe the server load argument (and suspect that most user's browsers will be able to handle long wikitext nowadays), and in cases where it's desirable to make a page harder for new users to edit, the generally accepted method is to semiprotect it. I can sort-of see the argument that it's more useful to inexperienced users to show some of a page's wikitext but not the rest when editing, but that's the reason why section headings come with edit links (and most of these sorts of long tables of data are likely to belong in sections of their own).
If consensus agrees with me that many of the pages with which this template is correctly tagged shouldn't exist, then we effectively have a cleanup/maintenance task on our hands – look at all the page fragments tagged with this template or its substed versions, and decide whether they should be subst'ed into the original article or whether using them as transclusions is preferable (in which case they aren't substantially different from the other pages in the Template: namespace, so we may as well remove this template from them). So what we'd logically want to do is to delete the template, then put a cleanup tag on every page that used it. We could save a lot of trouble by just editing the template into the cleanup tag, though – it should contain a summary of the relevant policy and an explanation of when these fragments should be in template namespace and when they should be WP:substed into the article. The main problem with this is that it's unclear what the relevant guidelines for this actually should be – this might need wider community input to come to a consensus on, rather than being confined to a single TfD.
Even if we decide that all the pages tagged with the template should exist, though, the template itself has serious wording issues; even though the policy is unclear, the current wording of the template definitely seems to be misrepresenting it (the "server load" argument seems specious, "lightweight transclusion" isn't defined and is probably misleading, and the only instruction is a WP:BOLD violation). The pages it's tagged with don't seem significantly different from everything else in the Template: namespace in terms of, e.g., what considerations are needed when editing them, so if we do keep them all, we should probably just remove this template from them and delete it. So either way, it makes sense to delete the template eventually; it's simply a matter of whether we want to do something about the pages tagged with it (and/or with subst'ed versions of it) first. --ais523 15:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- If consensus agrees with me that many of the pages with which this template is correctly tagged shouldn't exist
- I, for one, do, ais523.
- then we effectively have a cleanup/maintenance task on our hands
- Indeed we do.
- look at all the page fragments tagged with this template or its substed versions
- — Guarapiranga ☎ 02:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- And here they are, listed for discussion. — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- — Guarapiranga ☎ 02:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I won't fall into the trap of editors caught up in WP:OWN. If examples such as Template:2021 Canadian federal election synopsis fall by the wayside as a result of having this template deleted, I have the table backed up in my sandbox history to move it over to a new, or other main, article.Raellerby (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had a look at {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}} here, Raellerby, and tbh could't find anything so ominous and exceptional about it. It's a long table, yes, but transcluded into an article—the only one!—composed mostly of tables and maps, and little prose. Could it be 'minified' with row formatting templates? Sure. But that doesn't preclude {{2021 Canadian federal election synopsis}} from being subst'ed and deleted. So, yeah, not even that one is an exception to the rule (I'm not disagreeing with you). — Guarapiranga ☎ 23:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:Amtrak British Columbia stations
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).
The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Template:Amtrak British Columbia stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No transclusions, no main article, only one link in the navbox body. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose as creator. Yes, there's only 1 article linked, but its inclusion in Pacific Central Station was reverted for the same reason. New Westminster station still stands is probably capable of being made its own article. Just requires making it. Worse comes to worse, delete it now. I can make the article and then remake the template.Mitch32(sail away with me to another world.) 14:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as a navbox that doesn't navigate anywhere. Navboxes are supposed to aid navigation, a navbox which can be used on only one article and which only contains a link to the article you are on doesn't fulfil any useful purpose. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as a navbox to nowhere, per 192. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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Old discussions
June 9
Template:Good Entertainment
- Template:Good Entertainment (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Parent article deleted. Artists are not typically navigated by record label anyway as they constantly change and it would become too cumbersome. Also, all artists are "former" so without any "current" artists, there is even less of a navigational need. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The main article no longer exists. desmay (talk) 04:52, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 November 21#Record label templates revisited. K-pop agencies simply do not operate like record labels in the western world. There is a strong connection and constant overlap between the acts because of the culture fostered by the music industry in South Korea, which is explained in detail in a related deletion discussion. Of course all the entries are former artists, the company went bankrupt over a decade ago. The draft states this. ✗plicit 12:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- weak delete or move to draft space, if the parent article is revived, then I could see keeping this. but, until that happens, having a navbox without a parent article is not the best situation. Frietjes (talk) 19:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or move to draft/user space per above. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
June 5
Template:Infobox Memorial Cup
- Template:Infobox Memorial Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Infobox hockey tournament season (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Infobox Memorial Cup with Template:Infobox hockey tournament season.
{{Infobox hockey tournament season}} has the same functionality. It actually has more that could increase the amount of information shown in infobox. See my post on the template talk page for a side-by-side view of the templates. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I dislike attempts to put more information inside infoboxes, which are now bloated with unnecessary trivia. Simpler is better. Flibirigit (talk) 11:23, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Just because there are more parameters available, doesn't mean they have to all be used. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Adding more unnecessary parameters violates MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Simpler is better. Flibirigit (talk) 01:40, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Just because there are more parameters available, doesn't mean they have to all be used. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 00:15, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've updated the syntax to pass parameters to {{Infobox ice hockey tournament season}} so that it has the same style without adding the additional parameters as I agree too many are clunky and unnecessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Izno (talk) 21:17, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- substitute and delete, people generally copy the infobox from the prior season when starting an article for a new season, so simply omitting the parameters will generally control any in-article parameter bloat. Frietjes (talk) 18:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete after substitution. The lack of other cup templates in Category:Ice hockey infobox templates indicates that most articles are using the general template, and not a cup-specific version. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Completed discussions
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For an index of all old and archived discussions, see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/Archives.